January 10, 2025 • 20 mins
OSHA’s Top 10 Cited Violations for 2024:
- Frequent safety issues such as fall protection, hazard communication, ladders, respiratory protection, lockout/tagout, powered industrial trucks, scaffolding, PPE, and machine guarding.
- The importance of addressing these life-critical hazards to prevent injuries and fatalities.
Leadership and Safety:
- Emphasis on the role of safety as a cornerstone of effective leadership.
- Connecting physical safety to psychological safety to foster better team morale and trust.
Emerging Trends in Workplace Safety:
- Insights from the American Psychological Association on 2025 trends, highlighting workplace tension related to hybrid/remote models and the growing gap between management and employees.
- Increasing unionization as employees seek to address safety and workplace concerns collectively.
Call to Action for Leaders:
- Encouragement for leaders to prioritize listening to their teams, especially on safety issues, to build trust and create a safer, more empathetic work environment.
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Mark French (00:01):
This week on the podcast, we're going to talk
about OSHA's 2024, top 10 mostfrequently cited citations.
Should be an interestingdiscussion as we kick off the
new year with the leading andlearning through safety podcast.
Announcer (00:22):
You Music. Welcome to the leading and learning through
safety podcast. Your host is DrMark French. Mark's passion is
helping organizations motivatetheir teams. This podcast is
(00:46):
focused on bringing out the bestin leadership through creating
strong values, learningopportunities, teamwork and
safety. Nothing is moreimportant than protecting your
people. Safety creates anenvironment for empathy,
innovation and empowerment.
Together, we'll discover meaningand purpose through shaping our
(01:08):
safety culture. Thanks forjoining us this episode and now
here is Dr Mark French. You
Mark French (01:27):
Music. Welcome to the leading and learning through
safety podcast. I am so happy towelcome you into the new year
for new podcasts. And as always,I'm so happy that you've joined
me, and I'm sure you werewondering like, is he coming
back? Is this podcast gonnacontinue? Because I took some
(01:48):
time off, basically becauseDecember was busy, more busy
than I really wanted, and it wasjust a good time to take a
breath, reflect on life, getthings back under control. We
start fresh here in 2025 kickingoff a new year with the podcast,
new excitement, new topics. It'sgoing to be great. We're going
(02:11):
to have a wonderful timetogether as we talk about safety
and most importantly, we talkabout leadership, the higher
level of how we become leaders,and it begins with safety. I
truly don't see any other waythat you can start good
leadership without first caringabout the safety of your people.
(02:33):
And again, you can managewithout worrying about the
safety of your people. You can'tlead without the safety of your
people, and that's both physicaland psychological. Let's not
let's start with the physical.
Let's move to the psychological.
And I think this is going to bea great kick off to what we're
going to talk about this year,and all the items that I'm sure
(02:56):
are going to come our way as wehave these little chats together
about safety. So as with everyend of year, OSHA always
publishes their top 10frequently cited violations for
the previous year. And again,there's usually no surprises
there. We end up with a listthat they may move around a
(03:17):
little bit within the top 10,but they generally speaking,
stay the same. Why is that?
Well, one a lot of these itemsare life critical. So you have
OSHA focusing on these morebecause they are life critical.
You have people complainingabout these more because they're
life critical. Andunfortunately, you have more
fatality investigations thatlead to these citations? Because
(03:40):
most of them are life critical,so the list not exactly skewed,
but there has to be anunderstanding of the background
of it, and how do thesecitations come about, and how do
they remain, and how do theyhappen? And a lot of it is
because there is a focus, ifyou're always it's the
psychological analogy that ifyou start noticing and thinking
(04:05):
about a red car, suddenly yousee a whole lot more of red
cars. Same thing here, if we'refocused on those things that are
life critical, if that's what weneed to be looking for, as we
should, then those are what willshow up. And indeed, here we are
at the end, beginning of 2025with the 2024 list being very
common, and unfortunately,common. It would be nice,
(04:28):
wouldn't it, if suddenly wedidn't have to worry about these
life critical items, becausesuddenly we made improvement
that organizations made a realpush to to do better, to lead
better. And unfortunately, I'mnot seeing a trend of that
(04:50):
nature. I'm seeing a lot of goodwork by those who I see, those
who care getting better, andthose who. Don't staying right
where they are, and in doing thesame things over and over again,
that's unfortunate. What I wouldlove to see is like true
revolution and in safety. And Ikeep hoping for it, and I keep
(05:12):
looking for it, and maybe, maybesomeday we'll see it. But some
other interesting items may makethat happen for different
reasons. We'll talk more aboutthat. Have a lot of interesting
information this year, but let'sjump into the 2024, list of the
violations number one, fallprotection. No, no argument
(05:33):
there. Fall Protection is soit's ignored. It shouldn't be
Oh, wow, wouldn't fall. Theycan't fall. Or there's no way
they would do that, or they'realways stable on their feet. Or
it's expensive, yeah, fallprotection is not cheap, because
(05:54):
it is made to keep you fromdying if you fall. And lot of
violations there. So it's numberone, and it pops up as number
one fairly frequently, as far asjust companies that. And it
astounds me how poorly this canbe managed and how much risk is
(06:15):
involved. General industry is afour foot standard. Over four
feet high you fall, you got tobe protected from open edges in
construction at six feet, fallsfrom just standing in falling
can be fatal, and there's justnot enough work around
(06:37):
protecting people from falls. Ithink that work can never stop.
It has to continue. We have tocontinually look for better ways
to prevent people from fallingfrom any height, because it is.
It's all random risk at thepoint of when you start to fall,
if the fall begins, it's allgoing to be a luck of the fate,
(06:59):
of how the injury that may comefrom it. Number two was hazard
communication. This is one thatit's an easy citation a lot of
the time. I'm not going to sayit's life critical a lot.
Sometimes it can be absolutelythere are some very terrible
chemicals out there that needthat people need to know what it
is a lot of the time. And I'musing generalities here because
(07:24):
I don't have the facts andfigures in front of me, but it's
an easy one to cite. You walkin, you walk around, you look
for a chemical that's sittingaround on a cabinet, and you go,
Hey, show me the SDS about it.
You ask the team about, do youwork around any chemicals? And
they go, No, I don't work aroundchemicals. And they're like,
Well, what's that? WD, 40, oh,it's a chemical. And, well, you
(07:45):
didn't train your peopleappropriately. So we those are
some of the citations that comeout of the has come standard,
because it is so easy to find,uh, exceptions to the rule,
because you imagine walking intoa janitorial closet and suddenly
he's decided to bring in a newcleaner that has never been
brought in before, and didn'tget the SDS sheet, and now you
(08:09):
have azcom problem that ends upin the remedy is simple. You get
the SDS, you show you've put itin your book or your digital
book, and boom, there it is.
People have to know how to findthem. And it's easy for people
to forget where to find thosesafety data sheets. In a day of
digital age, you hope that theycan remember that there's a QR
(08:29):
code somewhere, or that there isan online system. Yeah, I go to
that computer over there, I lookit up on my phone, or I go to HR
and ask for it, or safety findthe computer that I can use the
kiosk. And then, unfortunately,there are companies that just
don't care and deserve thosecitations. Number three,
ladders. So here we go, anotherform of fall protection. Bad
(08:53):
ladders, broken ladders, misusedladders. Oh yeah, all of that
happens so frequently,respiratory protection and then
lock out, tag out, rounding outthe top five. So respiratory
protect is a complex standardfit testing and making sure it's
appropriate people know how todon and doff. There's a lot
(09:14):
there that a lot of companiesdon't recognize. That needs to
be done to assure that you arein compliance with every letter
of the respiratory protectionlaw. And there's a lot of work
there, so if you bring inrespiratory protection, it has
to be done the right way. And alot of times, I just hand out
dust masks or have them provideand people slap one on for just
(09:37):
general nuisance dust. Well,there's a voluntary standard
part of that that people canvoluntarily use one when it's
not necessary by law, but youhave to record. You have to
train on that. And in somecases, have signatures that say
they understand that this isvoluntary only, that they are
choosing to wear it, theythey're choosing to wear it any
way they want to, and that.
(10:00):
We're not responsible for, liketraining, because we don't have
to be, because it's not a legalthreshold. And so you have to
have people know that lock out,tag out, oh, yeah, energy
control is such a powerfulstandard and continues to be
misused and misread, and it'scomplex, and it takes a lot of
(10:22):
work, a lot of due diligence,but it is so critical. Well, I'm
going to take a quick breakhere. We're going to come back,
and I want to briefly talk aboutthe rest of the list, and then I
want to bump into a little bitof psychological safety, talk
about some of the items thatwe're seeing on that space and
how it ties together with whatwe're seeing with physical
(10:44):
safety. 2025 can shape up to bea very interesting year for
safety. More on the leading andlearning through safety podcast.
You are
Stinger (10:55):
listening to the leading and learning through
safety podcast with Dr MarkFrench,
Commercial (11:04):
dsda Consulting, learn you lead others. The
Myers, Briggs Type Indicator isan amazing tool. Problem is that
it can be easily misinterpreted.
Dr Mark French is MBTI certifiedand ready to help you discover
your inner strengths. The MBTIassessment can help with team
building, stress management,communication, conflict
(11:26):
management, and so much more,individual and group sessions
are available to help youdiscover what makes you great.
For more information, visit uson the web at tsda
consulting.com
Mark French (11:42):
Welcome back to the second half of the leading and
learning through safety podcast.
Welcome to 2025 this week. We'retalking about OSHA's top 10 for
2024 closing out 2024 welcomingin 2025 in hopes that things
will continue to get better forthe safety world, rounding out
the rest of the top 10, poweredindustrial trucks, fall
(12:05):
protection, again under trainingrequirements, scaffolding, PPE,
and then finally, machineguarding, all of those so
critical to just basic lifesafety of our teams, and to
think that there are companiesout there that some of them
maybe there's a mistake, but somany times, too many times we
(12:27):
talk about it here on thepodcast or see it in the news of
where it led to somethingterrible, and it was on purpose,
or not really on purpose, justcomplete neglect. I'll put it
that way to me that feels likeit's on purpose when you just
neglect it, but I'll reservethat as a personal opinion that
(12:48):
I'll keep for that and when welook at the training
requirements for fallprotection, it's not just
telling people that you need towear your fall protection on
certain times. It's educating onthe prevention like, how do we
can we use guardrails? How do weset up better systems than just
fall protection, but mostespecially, how to don and doff
(13:09):
and verification of donning anddoffing of the fall protection
equipment? Do they really knowhow to wear it the right way?
And a lot of there are too manytimes that I see fall protection
being worn wrong that can leadto an injury or it failing. In
some cases, scaffolding. Nosurprise there, because it it
(13:30):
there's a lot to build goodscaffolding as it should be. I
would not want to get on ascaffold that wasn't built the
right way. All of this leads towhat we're seeing actually,
interestingly in psychology. AndI received the January, February
(13:52):
edition of The AmericanPsychological Association's
monitor on psychology, and whatthey published in their first
issue was the top 10 emergingtrends in psychology. So we
closed out 2024 with thephysical safety what OSHA did
last year, and we'll probablysee the same focus as this year.
And then now let's look at whatwhat are psychologists saying
(14:14):
are going to be some of thetrends of 2025 the one that
caught my attention the most isworkplaces at a boiling point.
The focus of the article is thisconfusion around remote, hybrid,
in person, management,leadership, all of those things
are coming together and what itreally is saying, and when I
(14:38):
really summarize, what is itthat the article is saying? Is
that the gap between managementand the people they manage is
growing, the lack ofunderstanding, the lack of
appreciation, the lack of justin. Empathy, sympathy, those
(14:59):
things that we should have asleaders, not as managers, but as
leaders that we should befocused on. And you can probably
guess what I'm going to say nextis that a good leader first
focuses on the safety of theirpeople. Number one, that is a
moral imperative. It issomething that is meaningful to
(15:21):
both and we see the gap growing.
And one of the stats that theycalled out in this is that with
this boiling point reaching moreand more organizations, the
people of the organizations areentering collective bargaining
agreements, that unionization isstarting to have a re emergence,
(15:48):
so that the people have a voicewithin the company where they
feel like management isn'tlistening. Management isn't
giving them the letting themhave a voice in one of the we, I
have a profession I have thereis the Occupational Safety and
Health Act. Because of the workof collective bargaining and
(16:12):
unions, they wanted safe thefirst, some of the first rally
cries, fair pay, a safe place towork, a place I can go to work
and earn my pay and not die orbe significantly injured by
doing it, and OSHA became whatit is because of those rally
cries for a safer workplace forpeople can't ignore that, no
(16:36):
matter where everything elsecomes after that. There's a lot
of controversy there. I've readlots of books on these things,
of just the ups and downs ofcollective bargaining and unions
and management and leadership.
It all ties together, and it'ssuper interesting, and that's
for a whole nother topic, but Icould go down that rabbit hole,
unfortunately, gonna do my bestnot to right now, but it's
(16:59):
interesting to see them sidingthat we're seeing success rates
of unionization increasingbecause people want that voice,
I will say, if you want to, as aleader, give Your people voice
to let them be heard. The firstand most important item you can
(17:23):
hear is safety, because that'sone of the first items that's
pulled into is some things likefast working paces or dangerous
environments, and they feel likethey're being ignored. And the
way you don't get ignoredanymore is you collectively
bargain for those rights to besafe and to have safety features
(17:43):
in place, and then, along with alot of other items. And this is
not a pro or anti uniondiscussion, it's a Do you listen
to your people discussion? Areyou a manager? Are you a leader?
What is it a good leader isgonna hear and the first thing
(18:04):
we can hear about is safety thatcreates physical safety. It
creates psychological safety. Itbridges the gap between leaders
and people, and that's whatwe're here to do is bridge that
gap so we know what we can do toprotect our team, protect our
livelihoods, protect ourcommunities. This is what we do.
(18:29):
Thanks for joining me on thisepisode of the leading and
learning through safety podcast.
So happy you've joined me. Thankyou. I look forward to a
wonderful discussion and just awonderful 2025 with you until
next time we chat, stay safe.
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learning through safety podcast.
This week on the podcast, we're going to talk
about OSHA's 2024, top 10 mostfrequently cited citations.
Should be an interestingdiscussion as we kick off the
new year with the leading andlearning through safety podcast.
Announcer (00:22):
You Music. Welcome to the leading and learning through
safety podcast. Your host is DrMark French. Mark's passion is
helping organizations motivatetheir teams. This podcast is
(00:46):
focused on bringing out the bestin leadership through creating
strong values, learningopportunities, teamwork and
safety. Nothing is moreimportant than protecting your
people. Safety creates anenvironment for empathy,
innovation and empowerment.
Together, we'll discover meaningand purpose through shaping our
(01:08):
safety culture. Thanks forjoining us this episode and now
here is Dr Mark French. You
Mark French (01:27):
Music. Welcome to the leading and learning through
safety podcast. I am so happy towelcome you into the new year
for new podcasts. And as always,I'm so happy that you've joined
me, and I'm sure you werewondering like, is he coming
back? Is this podcast gonnacontinue? Because I took some
(01:48):
time off, basically becauseDecember was busy, more busy
than I really wanted, and it wasjust a good time to take a
breath, reflect on life, getthings back under control. We
start fresh here in 2025 kickingoff a new year with the podcast,
new excitement, new topics. It'sgoing to be great. We're going
(02:11):
to have a wonderful timetogether as we talk about safety
and most importantly, we talkabout leadership, the higher
level of how we become leaders,and it begins with safety. I
truly don't see any other waythat you can start good
leadership without first caringabout the safety of your people.
(02:33):
And again, you can managewithout worrying about the
safety of your people. You can'tlead without the safety of your
people, and that's both physicaland psychological. Let's not
let's start with the physical.
Let's move to the psychological.
And I think this is going to bea great kick off to what we're
going to talk about this year,and all the items that I'm sure
(02:56):
are going to come our way as wehave these little chats together
about safety. So as with everyend of year, OSHA always
publishes their top 10frequently cited violations for
the previous year. And again,there's usually no surprises
there. We end up with a listthat they may move around a
(03:17):
little bit within the top 10,but they generally speaking,
stay the same. Why is that?
Well, one a lot of these itemsare life critical. So you have
OSHA focusing on these morebecause they are life critical.
You have people complainingabout these more because they're
life critical. Andunfortunately, you have more
fatality investigations thatlead to these citations? Because
(03:40):
most of them are life critical,so the list not exactly skewed,
but there has to be anunderstanding of the background
of it, and how do thesecitations come about, and how do
they remain, and how do theyhappen? And a lot of it is
because there is a focus, ifyou're always it's the
psychological analogy that ifyou start noticing and thinking
(04:05):
about a red car, suddenly yousee a whole lot more of red
cars. Same thing here, if we'refocused on those things that are
life critical, if that's what weneed to be looking for, as we
should, then those are what willshow up. And indeed, here we are
at the end, beginning of 2025with the 2024 list being very
common, and unfortunately,common. It would be nice,
(04:28):
wouldn't it, if suddenly wedidn't have to worry about these
life critical items, becausesuddenly we made improvement
that organizations made a realpush to to do better, to lead
better. And unfortunately, I'mnot seeing a trend of that
(04:50):
nature. I'm seeing a lot of goodwork by those who I see, those
who care getting better, andthose who. Don't staying right
where they are, and in doing thesame things over and over again,
that's unfortunate. What I wouldlove to see is like true
revolution and in safety. And Ikeep hoping for it, and I keep
(05:12):
looking for it, and maybe, maybesomeday we'll see it. But some
other interesting items may makethat happen for different
reasons. We'll talk more aboutthat. Have a lot of interesting
information this year, but let'sjump into the 2024, list of the
violations number one, fallprotection. No, no argument
(05:33):
there. Fall Protection is soit's ignored. It shouldn't be
Oh, wow, wouldn't fall. Theycan't fall. Or there's no way
they would do that, or they'realways stable on their feet. Or
it's expensive, yeah, fallprotection is not cheap, because
(05:54):
it is made to keep you fromdying if you fall. And lot of
violations there. So it's numberone, and it pops up as number
one fairly frequently, as far asjust companies that. And it
astounds me how poorly this canbe managed and how much risk is
(06:15):
involved. General industry is afour foot standard. Over four
feet high you fall, you got tobe protected from open edges in
construction at six feet, fallsfrom just standing in falling
can be fatal, and there's justnot enough work around
(06:37):
protecting people from falls. Ithink that work can never stop.
It has to continue. We have tocontinually look for better ways
to prevent people from fallingfrom any height, because it is.
It's all random risk at thepoint of when you start to fall,
if the fall begins, it's allgoing to be a luck of the fate,
(06:59):
of how the injury that may comefrom it. Number two was hazard
communication. This is one thatit's an easy citation a lot of
the time. I'm not going to sayit's life critical a lot.
Sometimes it can be absolutelythere are some very terrible
chemicals out there that needthat people need to know what it
is a lot of the time. And I'musing generalities here because
(07:24):
I don't have the facts andfigures in front of me, but it's
an easy one to cite. You walkin, you walk around, you look
for a chemical that's sittingaround on a cabinet, and you go,
Hey, show me the SDS about it.
You ask the team about, do youwork around any chemicals? And
they go, No, I don't work aroundchemicals. And they're like,
Well, what's that? WD, 40, oh,it's a chemical. And, well, you
(07:45):
didn't train your peopleappropriately. So we those are
some of the citations that comeout of the has come standard,
because it is so easy to find,uh, exceptions to the rule,
because you imagine walking intoa janitorial closet and suddenly
he's decided to bring in a newcleaner that has never been
brought in before, and didn'tget the SDS sheet, and now you
(08:09):
have azcom problem that ends upin the remedy is simple. You get
the SDS, you show you've put itin your book or your digital
book, and boom, there it is.
People have to know how to findthem. And it's easy for people
to forget where to find thosesafety data sheets. In a day of
digital age, you hope that theycan remember that there's a QR
(08:29):
code somewhere, or that there isan online system. Yeah, I go to
that computer over there, I lookit up on my phone, or I go to HR
and ask for it, or safety findthe computer that I can use the
kiosk. And then, unfortunately,there are companies that just
don't care and deserve thosecitations. Number three,
ladders. So here we go, anotherform of fall protection. Bad
(08:53):
ladders, broken ladders, misusedladders. Oh yeah, all of that
happens so frequently,respiratory protection and then
lock out, tag out, rounding outthe top five. So respiratory
protect is a complex standardfit testing and making sure it's
appropriate people know how todon and doff. There's a lot
(09:14):
there that a lot of companiesdon't recognize. That needs to
be done to assure that you arein compliance with every letter
of the respiratory protectionlaw. And there's a lot of work
there, so if you bring inrespiratory protection, it has
to be done the right way. And alot of times, I just hand out
dust masks or have them provideand people slap one on for just
(09:37):
general nuisance dust. Well,there's a voluntary standard
part of that that people canvoluntarily use one when it's
not necessary by law, but youhave to record. You have to
train on that. And in somecases, have signatures that say
they understand that this isvoluntary only, that they are
choosing to wear it, theythey're choosing to wear it any
way they want to, and that.
(10:00):
We're not responsible for, liketraining, because we don't have
to be, because it's not a legalthreshold. And so you have to
have people know that lock out,tag out, oh, yeah, energy
control is such a powerfulstandard and continues to be
misused and misread, and it'scomplex, and it takes a lot of
(10:22):
work, a lot of due diligence,but it is so critical. Well, I'm
going to take a quick breakhere. We're going to come back,
and I want to briefly talk aboutthe rest of the list, and then I
want to bump into a little bitof psychological safety, talk
about some of the items thatwe're seeing on that space and
how it ties together with whatwe're seeing with physical
(10:44):
safety. 2025 can shape up to bea very interesting year for
safety. More on the leading andlearning through safety podcast.
You are
Stinger (10:55):
listening to the leading and learning through
safety podcast with Dr MarkFrench,
Commercial (11:04):
dsda Consulting, learn you lead others. The
Myers, Briggs Type Indicator isan amazing tool. Problem is that
it can be easily misinterpreted.
Dr Mark French is MBTI certifiedand ready to help you discover
your inner strengths. The MBTIassessment can help with team
building, stress management,communication, conflict
(11:26):
management, and so much more,individual and group sessions
are available to help youdiscover what makes you great.
For more information, visit uson the web at tsda
consulting.com
Mark French (11:42):
Welcome back to the second half of the leading and
learning through safety podcast.
Welcome to 2025 this week. We'retalking about OSHA's top 10 for
2024 closing out 2024 welcomingin 2025 in hopes that things
will continue to get better forthe safety world, rounding out
the rest of the top 10, poweredindustrial trucks, fall
(12:05):
protection, again under trainingrequirements, scaffolding, PPE,
and then finally, machineguarding, all of those so
critical to just basic lifesafety of our teams, and to
think that there are companiesout there that some of them
maybe there's a mistake, but somany times, too many times we
(12:27):
talk about it here on thepodcast or see it in the news of
where it led to somethingterrible, and it was on purpose,
or not really on purpose, justcomplete neglect. I'll put it
that way to me that feels likeit's on purpose when you just
neglect it, but I'll reservethat as a personal opinion that
(12:48):
I'll keep for that and when welook at the training
requirements for fallprotection, it's not just
telling people that you need towear your fall protection on
certain times. It's educating onthe prevention like, how do we
can we use guardrails? How do weset up better systems than just
fall protection, but mostespecially, how to don and doff
(13:09):
and verification of donning anddoffing of the fall protection
equipment? Do they really knowhow to wear it the right way?
And a lot of there are too manytimes that I see fall protection
being worn wrong that can leadto an injury or it failing. In
some cases, scaffolding. Nosurprise there, because it it
(13:30):
there's a lot to build goodscaffolding as it should be. I
would not want to get on ascaffold that wasn't built the
right way. All of this leads towhat we're seeing actually,
interestingly in psychology. AndI received the January, February
(13:52):
edition of The AmericanPsychological Association's
monitor on psychology, and whatthey published in their first
issue was the top 10 emergingtrends in psychology. So we
closed out 2024 with thephysical safety what OSHA did
last year, and we'll probablysee the same focus as this year.
And then now let's look at whatwhat are psychologists saying
(14:14):
are going to be some of thetrends of 2025 the one that
caught my attention the most isworkplaces at a boiling point.
The focus of the article is thisconfusion around remote, hybrid,
in person, management,leadership, all of those things
are coming together and what itreally is saying, and when I
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really summarize, what is itthat the article is saying? Is
that the gap between managementand the people they manage is
growing, the lack ofunderstanding, the lack of
appreciation, the lack of justin. Empathy, sympathy, those
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things that we should have asleaders, not as managers, but as
leaders that we should befocused on. And you can probably
guess what I'm going to say nextis that a good leader first
focuses on the safety of theirpeople. Number one, that is a
moral imperative. It issomething that is meaningful to
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both and we see the gap growing.
And one of the stats that theycalled out in this is that with
this boiling point reaching moreand more organizations, the
people of the organizations areentering collective bargaining
agreements, that unionization isstarting to have a re emergence,
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so that the people have a voicewithin the company where they
feel like management isn'tlistening. Management isn't
giving them the letting themhave a voice in one of the we, I
have a profession I have thereis the Occupational Safety and
Health Act. Because of the workof collective bargaining and
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unions, they wanted safe thefirst, some of the first rally
cries, fair pay, a safe place towork, a place I can go to work
and earn my pay and not die orbe significantly injured by
doing it, and OSHA became whatit is because of those rally
cries for a safer workplace forpeople can't ignore that, no
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matter where everything elsecomes after that. There's a lot
of controversy there. I've readlots of books on these things,
of just the ups and downs ofcollective bargaining and unions
and management and leadership.
It all ties together, and it'ssuper interesting, and that's
for a whole nother topic, but Icould go down that rabbit hole,
unfortunately, gonna do my bestnot to right now, but it's
(16:59):
interesting to see them sidingthat we're seeing success rates
of unionization increasingbecause people want that voice,
I will say, if you want to, as aleader, give Your people voice
to let them be heard. The firstand most important item you can
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hear is safety, because that'sone of the first items that's
pulled into is some things likefast working paces or dangerous
environments, and they feel likethey're being ignored. And the
way you don't get ignoredanymore is you collectively
bargain for those rights to besafe and to have safety features
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in place, and then, along with alot of other items. And this is
not a pro or anti uniondiscussion, it's a Do you listen
to your people discussion? Areyou a manager? Are you a leader?
What is it a good leader isgonna hear and the first thing
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we can hear about is safety thatcreates physical safety. It
creates psychological safety. Itbridges the gap between leaders
and people, and that's whatwe're here to do is bridge that
gap so we know what we can do toprotect our team, protect our
livelihoods, protect ourcommunities. This is what we do.
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learning through safety podcast.
So happy you've joined me. Thankyou. I look forward to a
wonderful discussion and just awonderful 2025 with you until
next time we chat, stay safe.
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