September 5, 2025 • 20 mins
In this episode of Leading and Learning Through Safety, Dr. Mark French highlights the moral imperative of safety as a foundation for leadership. He emphasizes that prioritizing people’s well-being opens the door to empathy, innovation, and stronger organizational culture.
Recent safety incidents underscore persistent risks. Roadway accidents—particularly during summer travel—remain frequent, reminding us of the dangers of distracted or inexperienced driving. Dr. French shares a personal reflection as his 17-year-old prepares for independent driving, noting both the risks of injury and the lifelong consequences of liability. He encourages listeners to remind novice and distracted drivers of their responsibility behind the wheel.
Another concerning trend involves workplace electrocutions, often due to inadequate lockout/tagout procedures or arc flash protections. Despite regulations, preventable incidents continue, highlighting the need for ongoing refresher training and toolbox talks, especially for electricians and maintenance staff.
A specific case from Ohio illustrates the consequences of insufficient training: a 21-year-old worker was fatally injured in a forklift accident. Community reactions revealed widespread misunderstanding of forklift hazards, underscoring the gap in proper operator instruction. Dr. French draws a parallel to driver’s licensing—while society mandates certification for cars, many workplaces still allow untrained workers to operate heavy equipment. He stresses that respect—not fear—of hazards should guide training and behavior.
Closing with a reminder that September is Suicide Awareness Month, Dr. French urges listeners to look out for one another, reinforcing that safety encompasses both physical and psychological well-being.
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Unknown (00:01):
This week on the leading and learning through
safety podcast, we're going totalk a lot about simple items
that make a huge difference inhow we conduct ourselves as
leaders and safety in theimportance of good learning. All
this week on the podcast,you welcome to the leading and
(00:22):
learning through safety podcast.
Your host is Dr Mark French.
Marks passion is helpingorganizations motivate their
(00:44):
teams. This podcast is focusedon bringing out the best in
leadership through creatingstrong values, learning
opportunities, teamwork andsafety. Nothing is more
important than protecting yourpeople, safety creates an
environment for empathy,innovation and empowerment.
(01:05):
Together, we'll discover meaningand purpose through shaping our
safety culture. Thanks forjoining us this episode and now
here is Dr Mark French,fish. Welcome to this episode of
(01:27):
the leading and learning throughsafety podcast. I am so happy
that you have joined me. Welcometo this journey of what I like
to call leading safety first.
If we begin with the moralimperative of safety, if we
begin by showing we care aboutpeople through caring about how
(01:51):
they perform at work in a safeway, it opens up the door to a
whole lot more in leadership.
And that's where I want to beginis looking at some things that
have happened in the news asnormal and really developing
through what more could be done.
And I know if you're listeningto this, you're one of those who
(02:15):
care and are trying to care, andmaybe we can have the
opportunity to share a littlebit more and help where we can,
but let's get started. Let'sjump right in it. There's always
interesting trends, and never ina good way. When looking through
data of significant injuries andfatalities in the news, when you
(02:38):
scan through and you try to finditems that are happening to
understand, really the state ofsafety across the country.
Because sometimes we get in ourbubble and we are surrounded by
people who really care, and thenoccasionally we see where bad
things can happen, but also alot of the times, it's a company
(02:59):
that never thought it couldhappen, and it could happen, and
it happens, and they weren'tprepared for it. But this week,
unfortunately for summertime,pretty normal, a lot of road
accidents, a lot of turnovers, alot of people hit on the side of
the road. It just more and moreand more. It just kept piling
up. So I know Labor Day isalready over, so the summer
(03:20):
travel season is kind of comingto an end, but still, there's
going to be a lot of workersstill out there as we go into
the fall season. Watch out. Slowdown. Encourage anyone else who
is out there driving to do thesame. I've had a wake up call to
that recently, and I'm going toreally give a little personal
(03:41):
story here. This is woken I'vehad to wake up to not just
knowing it, but to teach it andto show it, probably more than I
ever have before,because my oldest is 17 and has
had their permit for quite sometime, and has recently
determined that they want theirlicense now. Permit wasn't bad
for me, because someone me or mywife was in the car could always
(04:06):
be looking stop sign thereperson on the right. Slow down,
full stop. You know the typicalcoaching things a parent will do
when they're in the car and theyfeel in control with that
teenagerfor the first time they were
when they've made their interestknown of getting behind the
(04:26):
wheel without me, without mywife. It's a different world. It
feels different. It definitelycreates a different level of
dread for two reasons. One,both, I think, are very
personal, and maybe even look alittle selfish when I say it now
(04:46):
that I'm thinking about sayingit out loud, it does feel that
way, but also so very true ofjust what it is. And one, I
don't want to see my child hurt.
No one wants that. It's.
We know, statistically, gettingbehind the wheel of a vehicle is
(05:10):
one of the most dangerous thingswe do all the time.
Most people get behind the wheelof a car at some point, and
statistically, exceptionallydangerous. So there's that
worry. But then the second worryis, what if something happens
where there's liability? Whatif? What if, unfortunately,
there's the person, and we livein a very rural area, and
(05:33):
unfortunately, I have to say,there have been many times at
nights, I'll be driving down theroad and there is the person
walking down the side of theroad wearing all black, and it
scares the scares everything outof me when I'm trying to like,
Oh my God, I've got to miss thisperson who's on the side of the
road. I got to make sure I don'thit them and hurt them. Because
(05:55):
for a 17 year old to hitsomeone, that's life ending for
unfortunately, there's someonewho's hurt, but also, when I
think about the future of that,there's a lot of stigma and a
lot of legal proceedings thatwould come from that. And that
worries me, like, I don't wantthem to hurt anyone, but I also
don't want them to have to livewith the fact that they've hurt
(06:16):
someone. It's huge. It's doubleedged very much, and I think
about that more than I everhave, because I am out of
control on that I'd have zerocontrol. And so I encourage you
take a moment if you knowsomeone who's a novice driver,
or maybe even someone who's notthe greatest driver, the one who
(06:38):
just can't get off their phone,the one who's always looking in
the mirror, the one who's doingother things while driving.
Please take a moment and remindthem of the responsibility they
have behind the wheel and thedamage they could do to other
people, to other people'sthings, and even to their own
self while doing that. It's,it's, it's real because it
(07:01):
continues to show itself in themedia, and it's very frequent,
and the signs on the side of theroad like slow down for workers
and work zone enforcement.
And yet, still it's happening.
So despite all the best efforts,it still can happen, and
hopefully there's something wecan do about it by bringing
(07:21):
awareness to it, by being moreaware, be by always doing our
best to be aware of what's goingon. And that's tough behind the
wheel, especially if you've gota long ways to go. It's hard not
to get to look around and beslightly distracted, because
I've been lucky a few timeswhen, like like I said, I have
driven down those roads, andthere's been those people riding
(07:42):
a bike down a rural country roadwith no flashers, no reflective
gear, just a dark bicycle,someone wearing a black hoodie,
pedaling down the road at seveno'clock. What?
It's just luck that I could seeenough to move. And that rings
(08:05):
true to me, because it stillrings fresh. And that was years
ago when I saw that happen, andI saw that person, but yet I
remember it very clearly,because it just scared me,
because I thought,What could I don't know what
else I could do about that? Handout reflective vests to people,
throw them out the window, likeyou need this. I've thought
about that. By the way. Ithought about having, like,
(08:28):
reflective vests and handingthem out to people who are
walking down the road. And I'mlike, you know, I'm sure they
would appreciate that, givenwhatever they're trying to do
anyway. Random fact about randomthoughts that hit Mark while
he's driving down the road.
The other item that isinteresting, statistically,
(08:51):
looking at what is happeningthis week, was a lot of
electrocutions, a lot ofelectrical work where something
wasn't turned off, where therewasn't a system in place for
someone to turn it off, andthere was just it was one. It
was it was for the majority.
When I looked at the theme ofthe last few weeks of news, it
was cars and it was electricity,whether it be people finishing
(09:17):
up their projects or whether itbe construction work trying to
get done before the days startto get shorter. I don't know. I
don't know what would lead tothat extra trend of
electrocutions, which issomething to always be aware of,
as there is very stringentregulation on de enterization,
of lockout of arc flash ofprevention of electrocution,
(09:44):
it's items that arecontrollable, and yet we see
this trend raising up. And Ilook at that and go, What would
be the usually in early spring,when people start to do a lot of
their work again, start gettingout and doing that.
Construction work in force. Weunfortunately, we see that
uptick. Same thing withtrenching. We see that uptick
(10:06):
around that time, this time ofyear to see it, it may be an
anomaly. It may be statistical.
Something happening. It actuallymay be some correlation out
there that has is leading tothat. But I would encourage you
that if you have electricalworkers, if you have
electricians and maintenancepeople, this is a good
opportunity to do that reminder,to do that refresher, to do that
toolbox talk of, hey, it'shappening out there. Let's be
(10:31):
aware of it, and let's dosomething about it where we can
or even talk about it.
I have one other news story thatreally stood out as a
singularity that I want to talkabout, and that is going to be
on the second half of theleading and learning through
safety podcastdsda Consulting, learn you lead
(10:54):
others. The Myers Briggs TypeIndicator is an amazing tool.
Problem is that it can be easilymisinterpreted. Dr Mark French
is MBTI certified and ready tohelp you discover your inner
strengths. The MBTI assessmentcan help with team building,
stress management,communication, conflict
(11:16):
management, and so much moreindividual and group sessions
are available to help youdiscover what makes you great.
For more information, visit uson the web at T, S, D, A
consulting.comyou are listening to
the leading and learning throughsafety podcast with Dr Mark
(11:40):
French, and welcome back to thesecond half of the leading and
learning through safety podcast.
So I said we had one other newsstory that I really wanted to
hit on, that that grabbed me,that I want to deep dive a
little bit further. And it comesback again to training. Have we
done the right training? Do wehave the people who can do this
training. So this one comes outof Ohio, and it was a flooring
(12:06):
company and a Ford truck injury.
It appears, from what we know sofar, is that the 21 year old, 21
year old, young person drivingthe Ford truck drove off the
edge of the dock and then waspinned under the Ford truck.
(12:29):
Wow,when I think about the layers of
protection that come into Forttruck being near an open dock,
parking on a dock, seat belt,ride it out, stay in the cab.
The cab protects you all thethings that are trained to and
precautions that are put intoplace while operating a powered
(12:50):
vehicle. I see so many missinghere and doing some more
research. I think it's a verysmall company that does some
flooring there in that localcommunity, and there was
actually a Facebook page that,evidently is like a scanner
watch for the area. And theyposted, hey, we just got the
scanner update of this incidenthappening at this location. Does
(13:14):
anybody know anything trying toget information is like some of
those Facebook like policescanner pages do. And there, of
course, there was the typicalecho, prayers for the person, we
hope they're okay. There weresome other interesting posts
there that struck me as asa safety professional, slightly
(13:35):
concerning, to be honest. Andone was this lady had received a
call from her husband whoworked, evidently at a local
place near there, and said,Yeah, there'd been a fatality in
a Ford truck. He evidentlydrives a Ford truck, and she
says, I never knew they werethat dangerous. And
then there was another post ofsomeone who said, Yeah, I used
(13:57):
to be a Ford truck driver for acouple of years. It always
scared me to be behind thewheel.
So when I look at thesestatements independently and
also together, there's someinteresting, something
interesting in the area, I'llhave to say. And
(14:17):
I would say that maybe there'san opportunity for a safety
consultant to move into thatarea and and market themselves
as just a fork truck trainer inthat area, for one, for for
people to not realize thatthey're not cars, that they're
actually very dangerousvehicles.
Is interesting to me,that the risk was, the risk is
(14:40):
reduced, minimized, and ithappens that way. A lot of
people see it and think, Oh,it's just, oh, you jump on it,
you drive it, you do things,levers, do stuff, and you do it.
And how many places have smallcompanies have that old, rusty
bucket for truck setting outback that runs off? Pro.
Pain, and they go, Hey, go geton it and go move something. And
(15:04):
they do it every day, and thensomeone else does it. No one's
ever gotten hurt. They don't usethe seat belt. They don't really
know how to operate it. Neverhad really training, but it's
really easy. Pick up a littlething, you move it. No one's
ever had an issue. Go do ituntil there's an issue,
until there's an issue. And inthis case, there was an issue,
and then the other one of I wasdrove one for years, and I was
(15:28):
always scared feel bad for thatperson,
because one of the things ofbeing a Ford truck trainer, it's
been a long time since I've donehands on Ford truck training,
but I remember enough kind ofbeen a lot of years
is that we want them comfortableenough we're not scared. I want
you to respect the hazard. Idon't want you to fear it. I
(15:50):
want you to know what canhappen. I want you to know how
to control it, and I want you torespect what you're doing, not
fear it. I don't want fearbecause fear leads to a lot of
weird things. Yes, Fear leads tothe dark side. Young padawan
couldn't resist that. One,fear is not what we want in the
(16:12):
workplace. We want respect ofthe hazard that's ultimately
where we're trying to get to.
And I look at all those thingstogether, another company, this
company, 21 year old, and Iwonder,
was there Ford truck training atall? Was there any type of other
(16:33):
than here's how you turn it on,here's the gears. Go get it, I
wonder.
And some other research wouldindicate that probably not.
Don't think there probably was,but that's high speculation. But
it's just looking at otherpostings, some other a lot of
different qualitative data thatI came across while doing the
(16:55):
search that led to that, andthat is where I go. Okay, maybe
there wasn't any, maybe itwasn't even thought of that.
There was training.
And that blows my mind. We don'tin I'm gonna now tie it back to
the my beginning story about mychild getting behind the wheel
of the car. I didn't assume theyknew how to drove a car, drive a
(17:18):
car. I had to teach them. I hadto be in the car with them. I
had to evaluate and yet, with aFord truck, there's companies
that will just go get on it.
It's fine. You drove here today,right? Maybe not. Some people
may have taken the bus, may haverode with a friend, may not have
ever driven one. And who's goingto say no to your new boss?
Let's say you're brand new to ajob, and they say, Hey, hop on
that. Move it. Everybody can doit. It's no big deal. You're not
(17:40):
going to say no. In most cases,the peer pressure, the pressure
of performance, is going toforce you to want to perform.
And yet, I wouldn't put my childbehind the wheel of a car. We're
not allowed to put anybodybehind the wheel of a car
without getting a statecertification of some form, a
driver's license. Yet in thiscase here, there is a high
(18:01):
potential thatit was done with the zero
training and someone lost theirlife, and a lot of people in
that community are confused andmourning because of that.
Thanks for joining me on thisepisode of the leading and
learning through safety podcast.
One other reminder I want togive September is suicide
(18:22):
awareness month. I want to saypersonally, your story is not
over. If you need help, there'sa lot of resources out there. I
encourage you to reach out tothem. If you know someone, reach
out to them. This is the time toremember. You know, mental
illness can hide itself, but wetogether can take care of each
(18:43):
other a little bit better.
And I wish you the very best.
And until next time we chat,stay safe. You.
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Podcast you.
This week on the leading and learning through
safety podcast, we're going totalk a lot about simple items
that make a huge difference inhow we conduct ourselves as
leaders and safety in theimportance of good learning. All
this week on the podcast,you welcome to the leading and
(00:22):
learning through safety podcast.
Your host is Dr Mark French.
Marks passion is helpingorganizations motivate their
(00:44):
teams. This podcast is focusedon bringing out the best in
leadership through creatingstrong values, learning
opportunities, teamwork andsafety. Nothing is more
important than protecting yourpeople, safety creates an
environment for empathy,innovation and empowerment.
(01:05):
Together, we'll discover meaningand purpose through shaping our
safety culture. Thanks forjoining us this episode and now
here is Dr Mark French,fish. Welcome to this episode of
(01:27):
the leading and learning throughsafety podcast. I am so happy
that you have joined me. Welcometo this journey of what I like
to call leading safety first.
If we begin with the moralimperative of safety, if we
begin by showing we care aboutpeople through caring about how
(01:51):
they perform at work in a safeway, it opens up the door to a
whole lot more in leadership.
And that's where I want to beginis looking at some things that
have happened in the news asnormal and really developing
through what more could be done.
And I know if you're listeningto this, you're one of those who
(02:15):
care and are trying to care, andmaybe we can have the
opportunity to share a littlebit more and help where we can,
but let's get started. Let'sjump right in it. There's always
interesting trends, and never ina good way. When looking through
data of significant injuries andfatalities in the news, when you
(02:38):
scan through and you try to finditems that are happening to
understand, really the state ofsafety across the country.
Because sometimes we get in ourbubble and we are surrounded by
people who really care, and thenoccasionally we see where bad
things can happen, but also alot of the times, it's a company
(02:59):
that never thought it couldhappen, and it could happen, and
it happens, and they weren'tprepared for it. But this week,
unfortunately for summertime,pretty normal, a lot of road
accidents, a lot of turnovers, alot of people hit on the side of
the road. It just more and moreand more. It just kept piling
up. So I know Labor Day isalready over, so the summer
(03:20):
travel season is kind of comingto an end, but still, there's
going to be a lot of workersstill out there as we go into
the fall season. Watch out. Slowdown. Encourage anyone else who
is out there driving to do thesame. I've had a wake up call to
that recently, and I'm going toreally give a little personal
(03:41):
story here. This is woken I'vehad to wake up to not just
knowing it, but to teach it andto show it, probably more than I
ever have before,because my oldest is 17 and has
had their permit for quite sometime, and has recently
determined that they want theirlicense now. Permit wasn't bad
for me, because someone me or mywife was in the car could always
(04:06):
be looking stop sign thereperson on the right. Slow down,
full stop. You know the typicalcoaching things a parent will do
when they're in the car and theyfeel in control with that
teenagerfor the first time they were
when they've made their interestknown of getting behind the
(04:26):
wheel without me, without mywife. It's a different world. It
feels different. It definitelycreates a different level of
dread for two reasons. One,both, I think, are very
personal, and maybe even look alittle selfish when I say it now
(04:46):
that I'm thinking about sayingit out loud, it does feel that
way, but also so very true ofjust what it is. And one, I
don't want to see my child hurt.
No one wants that. It's.
We know, statistically, gettingbehind the wheel of a vehicle is
(05:10):
one of the most dangerous thingswe do all the time.
Most people get behind the wheelof a car at some point, and
statistically, exceptionallydangerous. So there's that
worry. But then the second worryis, what if something happens
where there's liability? Whatif? What if, unfortunately,
there's the person, and we livein a very rural area, and
(05:33):
unfortunately, I have to say,there have been many times at
nights, I'll be driving down theroad and there is the person
walking down the side of theroad wearing all black, and it
scares the scares everything outof me when I'm trying to like,
Oh my God, I've got to miss thisperson who's on the side of the
road. I got to make sure I don'thit them and hurt them. Because
(05:55):
for a 17 year old to hitsomeone, that's life ending for
unfortunately, there's someonewho's hurt, but also, when I
think about the future of that,there's a lot of stigma and a
lot of legal proceedings thatwould come from that. And that
worries me, like, I don't wantthem to hurt anyone, but I also
don't want them to have to livewith the fact that they've hurt
(06:16):
someone. It's huge. It's doubleedged very much, and I think
about that more than I everhave, because I am out of
control on that I'd have zerocontrol. And so I encourage you
take a moment if you knowsomeone who's a novice driver,
or maybe even someone who's notthe greatest driver, the one who
(06:38):
just can't get off their phone,the one who's always looking in
the mirror, the one who's doingother things while driving.
Please take a moment and remindthem of the responsibility they
have behind the wheel and thedamage they could do to other
people, to other people'sthings, and even to their own
self while doing that. It's,it's, it's real because it
(07:01):
continues to show itself in themedia, and it's very frequent,
and the signs on the side of theroad like slow down for workers
and work zone enforcement.
And yet, still it's happening.
So despite all the best efforts,it still can happen, and
hopefully there's something wecan do about it by bringing
(07:21):
awareness to it, by being moreaware, be by always doing our
best to be aware of what's goingon. And that's tough behind the
wheel, especially if you've gota long ways to go. It's hard not
to get to look around and beslightly distracted, because
I've been lucky a few timeswhen, like like I said, I have
driven down those roads, andthere's been those people riding
(07:42):
a bike down a rural country roadwith no flashers, no reflective
gear, just a dark bicycle,someone wearing a black hoodie,
pedaling down the road at seveno'clock. What?
It's just luck that I could seeenough to move. And that rings
(08:05):
true to me, because it stillrings fresh. And that was years
ago when I saw that happen, andI saw that person, but yet I
remember it very clearly,because it just scared me,
because I thought,What could I don't know what
else I could do about that? Handout reflective vests to people,
throw them out the window, likeyou need this. I've thought
about that. By the way. Ithought about having, like,
(08:28):
reflective vests and handingthem out to people who are
walking down the road. And I'mlike, you know, I'm sure they
would appreciate that, givenwhatever they're trying to do
anyway. Random fact about randomthoughts that hit Mark while
he's driving down the road.
The other item that isinteresting, statistically,
(08:51):
looking at what is happeningthis week, was a lot of
electrocutions, a lot ofelectrical work where something
wasn't turned off, where therewasn't a system in place for
someone to turn it off, andthere was just it was one. It
was it was for the majority.
When I looked at the theme ofthe last few weeks of news, it
was cars and it was electricity,whether it be people finishing
(09:17):
up their projects or whether itbe construction work trying to
get done before the days startto get shorter. I don't know. I
don't know what would lead tothat extra trend of
electrocutions, which issomething to always be aware of,
as there is very stringentregulation on de enterization,
of lockout of arc flash ofprevention of electrocution,
(09:44):
it's items that arecontrollable, and yet we see
this trend raising up. And Ilook at that and go, What would
be the usually in early spring,when people start to do a lot of
their work again, start gettingout and doing that.
Construction work in force. Weunfortunately, we see that
uptick. Same thing withtrenching. We see that uptick
(10:06):
around that time, this time ofyear to see it, it may be an
anomaly. It may be statistical.
Something happening. It actuallymay be some correlation out
there that has is leading tothat. But I would encourage you
that if you have electricalworkers, if you have
electricians and maintenancepeople, this is a good
opportunity to do that reminder,to do that refresher, to do that
toolbox talk of, hey, it'shappening out there. Let's be
(10:31):
aware of it, and let's dosomething about it where we can
or even talk about it.
I have one other news story thatreally stood out as a
singularity that I want to talkabout, and that is going to be
on the second half of theleading and learning through
safety podcastdsda Consulting, learn you lead
(10:54):
others. The Myers Briggs TypeIndicator is an amazing tool.
Problem is that it can be easilymisinterpreted. Dr Mark French
is MBTI certified and ready tohelp you discover your inner
strengths. The MBTI assessmentcan help with team building,
stress management,communication, conflict
(11:16):
management, and so much moreindividual and group sessions
are available to help youdiscover what makes you great.
For more information, visit uson the web at T, S, D, A
consulting.comyou are listening to
the leading and learning throughsafety podcast with Dr Mark
(11:40):
French, and welcome back to thesecond half of the leading and
learning through safety podcast.
So I said we had one other newsstory that I really wanted to
hit on, that that grabbed me,that I want to deep dive a
little bit further. And it comesback again to training. Have we
done the right training? Do wehave the people who can do this
training. So this one comes outof Ohio, and it was a flooring
(12:06):
company and a Ford truck injury.
It appears, from what we know sofar, is that the 21 year old, 21
year old, young person drivingthe Ford truck drove off the
edge of the dock and then waspinned under the Ford truck.
(12:29):
Wow,when I think about the layers of
protection that come into Forttruck being near an open dock,
parking on a dock, seat belt,ride it out, stay in the cab.
The cab protects you all thethings that are trained to and
precautions that are put intoplace while operating a powered
(12:50):
vehicle. I see so many missinghere and doing some more
research. I think it's a verysmall company that does some
flooring there in that localcommunity, and there was
actually a Facebook page that,evidently is like a scanner
watch for the area. And theyposted, hey, we just got the
scanner update of this incidenthappening at this location. Does
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anybody know anything trying toget information is like some of
those Facebook like policescanner pages do. And there, of
course, there was the typicalecho, prayers for the person, we
hope they're okay. There weresome other interesting posts
there that struck me as asa safety professional, slightly
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concerning, to be honest. Andone was this lady had received a
call from her husband whoworked, evidently at a local
place near there, and said,Yeah, there'd been a fatality in
a Ford truck. He evidentlydrives a Ford truck, and she
says, I never knew they werethat dangerous. And
then there was another post ofsomeone who said, Yeah, I used
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to be a Ford truck driver for acouple of years. It always
scared me to be behind thewheel.
So when I look at thesestatements independently and
also together, there's someinteresting, something
interesting in the area, I'llhave to say. And
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I would say that maybe there'san opportunity for a safety
consultant to move into thatarea and and market themselves
as just a fork truck trainer inthat area, for one, for for
people to not realize thatthey're not cars, that they're
actually very dangerousvehicles.
Is interesting to me,that the risk was, the risk is
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reduced, minimized, and ithappens that way. A lot of
people see it and think, Oh,it's just, oh, you jump on it,
you drive it, you do things,levers, do stuff, and you do it.
And how many places have smallcompanies have that old, rusty
bucket for truck setting outback that runs off? Pro.
Pain, and they go, Hey, go geton it and go move something. And
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they do it every day, and thensomeone else does it. No one's
ever gotten hurt. They don't usethe seat belt. They don't really
know how to operate it. Neverhad really training, but it's
really easy. Pick up a littlething, you move it. No one's
ever had an issue. Go do ituntil there's an issue,
until there's an issue. And inthis case, there was an issue,
and then the other one of I wasdrove one for years, and I was
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always scared feel bad for thatperson,
because one of the things ofbeing a Ford truck trainer, it's
been a long time since I've donehands on Ford truck training,
but I remember enough kind ofbeen a lot of years
is that we want them comfortableenough we're not scared. I want
you to respect the hazard. Idon't want you to fear it. I
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want you to know what canhappen. I want you to know how
to control it, and I want you torespect what you're doing, not
fear it. I don't want fearbecause fear leads to a lot of
weird things. Yes, Fear leads tothe dark side. Young padawan
couldn't resist that. One,fear is not what we want in the
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workplace. We want respect ofthe hazard that's ultimately
where we're trying to get to.
And I look at all those thingstogether, another company, this
company, 21 year old, and Iwonder,
was there Ford truck training atall? Was there any type of other
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than here's how you turn it on,here's the gears. Go get it, I
wonder.
And some other research wouldindicate that probably not.
Don't think there probably was,but that's high speculation. But
it's just looking at otherpostings, some other a lot of
different qualitative data thatI came across while doing the
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search that led to that, andthat is where I go. Okay, maybe
there wasn't any, maybe itwasn't even thought of that.
There was training.
And that blows my mind. We don'tin I'm gonna now tie it back to
the my beginning story about mychild getting behind the wheel
of the car. I didn't assume theyknew how to drove a car, drive a
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car. I had to teach them. I hadto be in the car with them. I
had to evaluate and yet, with aFord truck, there's companies
that will just go get on it.
It's fine. You drove here today,right? Maybe not. Some people
may have taken the bus, may haverode with a friend, may not have
ever driven one. And who's goingto say no to your new boss?
Let's say you're brand new to ajob, and they say, Hey, hop on
that. Move it. Everybody can doit. It's no big deal. You're not
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going to say no. In most cases,the peer pressure, the pressure
of performance, is going toforce you to want to perform.
And yet, I wouldn't put my childbehind the wheel of a car. We're
not allowed to put anybodybehind the wheel of a car
without getting a statecertification of some form, a
driver's license. Yet in thiscase here, there is a high
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potential thatit was done with the zero
training and someone lost theirlife, and a lot of people in
that community are confused andmourning because of that.
Thanks for joining me on thisepisode of the leading and
learning through safety podcast.
One other reminder I want togive September is suicide
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awareness month. I want to saypersonally, your story is not
over. If you need help, there'sa lot of resources out there. I
encourage you to reach out tothem. If you know someone, reach
out to them. This is the time toremember. You know, mental
illness can hide itself, but wetogether can take care of each
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other a little bit better.
And I wish you the very best.
And until next time we chat,stay safe. You.
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