September 18, 2024 • 52 mins
Do you feel like you’re chasing a career that is not aligned with your true passion? What if the key to rediscovering your true path was as simple as sitting silently for five minutes daily?
In this episode of the Leading with Power & Purpose Podcast, Sabine speaks with Loree Philip about authenticity in leadership and women reclaiming power, authority, and influence. During the pandemic, Loree had a pivotal realization that her corporate career no longer brought fulfillment. This moment sparked her transition to becoming the CEO of WeSpark and the Daring to Leap podcast host, where she empowers women to overcome fear and self-doubt, helping them build authentic, fulfilling careers.
Listen in to learn how to intentionally practice self-care and mindfulness to unlock potential, improve confidence, and transform your leadership style. You will also learn how you, as a woman leader, can support new or younger leaders by sharing your struggles and modeling vulnerability.
Key Takeaways:
- How to embrace your authentic leadership style and move away from traditional male-dominated power dynamics.
- The importance of self-empowerment, building relationships, and cultivating trust to create influence.
- The importance of creating space to check-in with yourself and having intentional self-care practices.
- How to practice the mirror exercise to deepen self-love and self-awareness.
- How modeling vulnerability and sharing past struggles aids leaders in supporting new or younger leaders.
- The importance of being present and embracing the power of the current moment.
What You Will Learn in This Episode:
- [01:45] Loree’s career journey at Boeing and her transition through different roles to keep learning and growing.
- [03:05] A pivotal moment during the pandemic when Lori reevaluated her career and realized it no longer aligned with her passion.
- [10:45] Definitions of power, authority, and influence and how they show up in corporate settings.
- [16:18] How women can embrace authentic leadership styles by focusing on self-empowerment over external validation.
- [25:31] How she spent most of her career focusing on others and found it uncomfortable to turn the spotlight on herself.
- [27:00] Simple practices to adopt to intentionally take control of your day, tap into yourself, and boost your confidence.
- [30:36] The powerful mirror exercise – stare into your eyes and declare love to yourself for 30 days.
- [35:45] How women can support each other in leadership and make new leaders feel comfortable and empowered.
Connect with Loree:
- Website: https://wesparkcoaching.com
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/loree-philip
- Podcast: Daring to Leap
Book Recommendation:
- The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle
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HOST INFO:
Sabine Gedeon is a dynamic force in the world of leadership and personal development. As the Founder of Transformed Leadership Institute and CEO of Gedeon Enterprises, Sabine leverages nearly 20 years of experience to guide clients in both startups and Fortune 500 companies. Her unique approach combines human-centered principles with tech-enabled solutions, delivering customized programs for leaders at all levels to tackle crucial leadership and talent development challenges.
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(00:00):
Are you tired of playing smalland ready to step confidently
into your greatness and shareyour unique brilliance with the
world?
Well, you're in the right place.
I'm your host, Sabine Gideon,and I've dedicated nearly two
decades empowering individualsand leaders as they confidently
navigate the twists and turns oflife and career transitions.
If you're seeking direction,connection, or just a little
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push to play bigger, considerthis podcast, your VIP path to a
community that genuinelyunderstands your journey.
Join me every week for candidconversations and practical
guidance designed to help younavigate the challenges of life
and business, foster a growthmindset and cultivate meaningful
connections.
It's time to embrace yourinherent power, define your
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unique purpose and prosper inevery aspect of your life.
Let's get started.
Sabine (00:54):
Hello and welcome to another episode I'm your host
Sabine Gideon, and I'm excitedto bring you another female
powerhouse interview on womenand power.
So if you are completely new tome, welcome.
Thank you for tuning in thisweek.
So I'm going to introduce ourguests.
Today, Ms.
Lori Phillip.
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Lori is passionate about helpingwomen build confidence and let
go of the fears and doubts,holding them back so they can
have the careers and lives theyreally want and deserve.
Lori is a former 16 year Boeingprofessional turned entrepreneur
who followed her heart to havemore freedom and impact in her
career.
She now serves as an executivecoach, the host of the top rated
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daring to leap podcast.
And the founder and CEO ofWeSpark, a boutique coaching and
training firm for women.
With that, welcome to the show,Lori.
Loree Phillip (01:50):
Ah, thank you so much Sabine.
It's so great to be here.
Sabine (01:55):
Same here.
Same here.
I'm excited.
And for those of you who aretuning in, you missed out on a
powerful conversation in thegreen room that I'm sure will
continue.
Um, but I, I, I love when thingsstart off like that, where
there's, um, there's enough, uh,Traction in terms of our passion
and what we're going to talkabout so that we can bring you,
(02:15):
um, you know, some really,really great content.
So I read your, your biobriefly, but I know that there's
so much more to you than that.
If you would, you know, brieflywalk us through your, your
career journey and specificallywhat have been some of the
career catalysts or milestonesthat have helped you navigate
corporate America, and thencertainly stepping out on your
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own in your own business.
Loree Phillip (02:39):
Yeah.
Thank you for the question.
Um, as you mentioned in my bio,I spent 16 years at Boeing.
So it was my first job fresh outof college.
And I got a finance degree atArizona state and I went in
straight into Boeing.
And I really did what you justdescribed in terms of moving up
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the corporate ladder.
I started out in finance.
I moved into program managementafter I got my MBA.
And then I was in the strategyorganization, um, after that for
nine years.
And one of the catalysts I wouldsay for me.
Um, was just really my love oflearning, love of trying
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something new.
And so I moved around a lot, notphysically, but within, um, big
companies, you can really do alot with your career.
You don't have to stay in onefunction.
You don't have to stay in oneposition.
You can stretch out and trydifferent things.
And that's what I really lovedabout the environment I worked
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in was that I could.
Test out this, this type ofposition.
And then when I got bored ofthat, go try something else.
And so that's what I did reallywas continuously learning,
growing, trying different thingswhile I was there until, and
I'll just say that until COVIDand I'll just tell you briefly.
(04:09):
After just hearing what I said,I was very passionate about my
career at Boeing, and I probablywould have been there for 30
plus years because that's whatyou do when you work for a big
fortune 50 company that people'slike dads work there for their
whole careers and generationsand things like that.
And I had not even thought.
About leaving and doingsomething else.
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But when COVID hit and I wasspending a lot more time working
virtually, working at home, andthere was this really
interesting extra distance andspace I had away from the
office.
the day to day that reallyhelped me get more clarity and
see the bigger picture.
And I was in this meetingstandard, uh, Webex call with
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the team.
And for some reason, thisparticular day, I looked at it
and it was almost like this outof body experience where it.
I was listening to it from ahigher perspective and I could
see it for what it was worth.
So all of a sudden I saw it andI thought there was, we were
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talking about just.
Same stuff.
Same problems.
We always talk about again andagain, nothing's never changing
that I'm listening.
And I'm hearing people justtalking to sound smart, you
know, positioning, um, withinthe team and positioning for
power and I'm listening.
And I'm like, you know, whatpeople because of COVID are
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starting, we're concerned abouttheir health, concerned about
their families and what mattersin life.
And what doesn't matter in life.
Hit me like a, you know, abrick.
It was just like, okay, all of asudden my career stopped
mattering to me.
It, it, it felt, it feltmeaningless in the moment and I
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know it wasn't meaningless, butall of a sudden I had this
window open, like this, thispoking a hole into my thoughts
around.
Is this what I want to be doingfor another 15 years?
And the answer was no.
And at that point, I didn't knowwhat I wanted to do because I
hadn't thought about it before,but it was that opening.
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And then it was that seed thatplanted that just wouldn't go
away.
Um, because from there, it justkept coming back up.
And so I started to payattention to it.
And so that's what started myjourney into figuring out my
passions, my strengths.
Like if I had a blank piece ofpaper, What kind of career would
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I create for myself and goingthrough that process with a
coach and defining that led meto feel comfortable and
confident enough to leave whatwas a very stable, secure 16
year career that a lot of peoplewere like.
What are you doing?
You know, like, are you sure?
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Kind of thinking.
So, so that's what happened.
And, um, I left last July.
Oh, wow.
So it's been a little over ayear.
Sabine (07:14):
Okay.
So you are, you're, I can't, Idon't know if you're officially
part of the great resignation,but definitely, uh, within that
bucket of people taking thattime to really, um, to self
assess.
And it's funny as you weretalking.
I knew you worked at Boeing, um,but I didn't realize how similar
our, our callings out had been.
(07:36):
Um, so for me, it was while Iwas working, uh, at United
Technologies, which is nowRaytheon Technologies, which is
a competitor, uh, to Boeing.
So to your point, same thing,like you could easily Either get
lost or, you know, transition,however, however you wanted.
And I remember I was, uh, in arotation program and by the
second rotation, I was in thisrole and literally in the office
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7 30 in the morning, uh, notleaving until 6 37, seven
o'clock at night.
And it was day after day, afterday, after day, to the point of.
I think that's the first time Irealized that I was experiencing
burnout.
And I remember just sittingthere similar to you.
I'm sitting in a meeting andit's just like, I'm, I'm looking
(08:21):
at this point.
I was kind of like looking ateveryone and it was just like, I
can't do this.
Like, I, I can't do this.
Like, if this is, if this iswhat climbing the ladder
requires.
I don't, I don't want itanymore.
And at that point, it was just,it was, it was scary, but it was
(08:41):
also liberating, right?
It's, it's scary when you canlook at your situation that
you're currently in and kind ofsay, I don't want this anymore,
but not know.
Well, what is it that you want?
Um, that was the part that kindof, you know, that, and I'm glad
that you got a coach.
I ended up getting a coach, butit was more to start the
business.
Um, but that, that is a realthing where I think a lot of us
(09:04):
experience that.
And there are probably beenother times where we had
experienced something similar,maybe not to that extent, but it
was easier to.
Ignore and, or, you know, gointo our justifications of,
yeah, well, that might be niceto, to leave and start that
thing, but, you know, I havebills.
I have this, I have that.
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So I say all that to say, youknow, uh, kudos to you for.
You know, taking that experienceand really leaning into it and
doing the work and gaining theclarity so that now you're in
this space where you aresupporting women who not
necessarily are just looking toleave corporate, but who are
looking to advance, looking togrow.
(09:46):
so yes, let's get into thispower.
And I have questions and I wantto go back to something that you
said about that meeting, thatpivotal meeting for you, where
you are observing peoplepositioning for power.
Um, cause I, I, okay, I won'tspoil it.
We'll, we'll go back to that.
So We've been talking aboutwomen in power and really
(10:07):
breaking down some of the, themyths around, you know, power,
maybe not even myths, but someof the mental barriers, some of
the societal barriers.
Um, how do we define, you know,different power dynamics?
How do we engage?
In certain power dynamics andreally get to a place where we
own our own power and feelcomfortable, confident enough to
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stand in and say, I am apowerful woman.
Um, and then proceed to behaveas such.
So I've been asking guests, uh,you know, what their definitions
are on three words, power.
Authority and influence and howthose three words specifically
based on their definitions haveshown up for them.
(10:51):
Of course, there are no right orwrong answers because everyone's
answer has been, you know,completely different.
Some similarities.
Um, but I think the beauty inthis is that, you know, the more
you can start to see or hear howothers define it.
Right.
That might help spark for thosewho are listening.
Um, the, the inspiration tostart to define it for
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themselves and then examine howthat definition is either
serving them or how it'srestricting them.
And if, and, and how they mightwant to make, or they might want
to adopt a different definitionbased on who they are today.
So with that, with that setup,um, I'm curious, Lori, how do
you define the three?
(11:33):
Power, authority, and influenceand how does it show up for you
or how have they shown up
Loree Phillip (11:38):
for you?
Yeah, I really love thisconversation, Sabine, and just
that we're taking the time toreally dive in this deep on a
topic and terminology and how itapplies.
And I will start with powerbecause I think that, and I
don't know if this is true, butwhen you think about the word
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power, you might think aboutsomebody who's powerful,
somebody who's in a position ofpower, something external where
somebody granted you.
So being you now have the powerto run this team, you know, but
when I think about power formyself, and this is shifted for
me over time, I think about selfempowerment, the power that I
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can control within myself.
And.
We are limiting ourselves in somuch because I've been expanding
this and thinking about, okay,what kind of powers do I have,
right?
Where, where did I think that Ididn't have power, but in
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actuality I did, but I did notallow myself.
That power.
And so for the from the powerside, my definition would be
that the self empowerment wehave within our control to show
up to decide to be a goodlistener to give somebody your
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attention to, you know, there'sthere's so many things.
And I don't know if, um You'veseen one of these charts.
I've seen them on likeInstagram, a visual of, okay,
what's in your control andwhat's outside of your control,
right?
And then they list, okay, yourattitude is in your control,
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your thoughts, your this, yourthat, whatever.
And then outside of your controlis the outside environment.
And so for me, that power pieceis all that stuff in that, in
your control bucket.
And then for, um, the next onewas authority, right?
Authority.
So to me, authority is moreformal.
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This is positional power.
This is, um, for me, mydefinition is I have authority
within That was given to mebecause I am the leader of this
team, or I have responsibilityover this project, or I have
decision making authority onthis contract, or, you know,
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it's it's I have permissionwithin my organization within my
company to make a decision in aparticular way to.
Decide how I want to structuremy team, things like that.
So to me, that's what authorityis.
And then as far as influencegoes for me, this is a person's
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ability to impact other peoplein how they act.
And I, I'll kind of, um,reorganize my thoughts on that,
but it's, you know, when youhave influence, where it's
different from positionalauthority.
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Is.
Use of being don't have to be onmy team, but because we have a
rapport, because we have arelationship, because you care
what I have to say, I can cometo you and explain to you why I
think you should do X, Y, Z, andyou might actually do it.
And that's influence, because Idon't have to be your boss.
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To do that, right?
I don't have to have directauthority over giving you an
assignment, but when you haveinfluence, you're able to
cultivate relationships in sucha way and build that trust and
rapport to have people reallyhear your ideas.
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and actually listen enough thatthey might do what you're asking
them to do or shift directionsthan what they were originally
thinking about.
To me, that is influence.
So that's impact throughrelationships.
With another person.
Love it.
Sabine (16:06):
I love it.
So I want to, um, so tosummarize based on what I wrote
down, cause you shared so manygreat nuggets here.
So from a power perspective,that's really about self
empowerment.
So that comes from within, uh,we are in agreement with that.
And then the formal or theauthority is a little bit more
formal.
It is what is bestowed upon us,or we are given permission to
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exercise authority.
So that is very much.
Um, while we may have it, it'san external source versus power
being an internal source andthen influence being almost like
the demonstration or themanifestation of, you know, our
ability to impact whether we'reusing, um, our, our power from
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an internal source or we're,we're using our authority from
an external source.
Um, the influence is like the,the effect, if you will, or our
ability or effectiveness is, is.
Yeah, our ability to effectivelyinfluence is almost the result
of the use of either one ofthose.
(17:10):
Is that, is that accurate?
Loree Phillip (17:13):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think that's accurate.
And, um, when I was, you know,sometimes We don't really know
what we think about a term untilwe start talking about it.
So as I was talking about it,um, you know, the piece that I
would just add into what youjust laid out for influence is
it does, um, seem to me thatwhat's really important there
(17:36):
is.
Um, through relationship orthrough, through trust, I think
it's really trust, you know,that you can really influence
somebody to do something thatyou feel like is the right thing
to do, whatever it is thatyou're trying to influence
somebody.
And so that, I mean, there is apersonal power piece to that,
(17:58):
but there's also this, um,Credibility and over time
building in relationships and inshowing up and, and, you know,
having this, um, relationshipwith somebody that, that, that
really does do a lot forinfluence.
Sabine (18:14):
Yeah, thank you for adding that on and also I want
to acknowledge what you said interms of, it's not until you
have to like think aboutsomething like the terminology
and like really talk it out tillyou.
You start to work through ityourself.
And, and I think you justdemonstrated the exactly what I,
I want to come out of this, uh,series is that people start
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doing just that, like, what do Ibelieve about these things?
Um, you know, where have I seenthem exercise and I assigned a
good meaning to it, or, youknow, I've never even thought
about it.
Um, because the truth is it's,it's, you know, with it's.
Especially with power, that'ssomething that we're introduced
to when we're two, right?
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So our most, most two year oldsfirst word, or maybe the second
word is no, no, no, right?
Like that is when we getintroduced to, or we start
experimenting.
With our own personal power andbased on the, uh, the reaction
of our parents, our caretakers,you know, we give it a
particular meaning, um, andespecially authority, right.
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Depending on the household thatyou were brought up in, right.
Who was the authoritarian in thehouse?
Right.
And how did that show up?
And.
You know, what meaning did yougive to authority based on those
earlier relationships?
And so I think it's, it'simportant for us to really start
examining this.
Cause if we're ever going to getto a place where we own our
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power, we own our voice, we ownour influence and our authority,
we have to know what it is.
And we have to really assess.
Do I still have some, um, somenegative meaning attached to
authority?
Because I do think you needauthority to exercise influence,
to exercise power in anycapacity.
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We still need authority.
Now how we demonstrate thatauthority, that's what
distinguishes whether or notit's really that we're
influencing people because we'vebuilt the relationship, we've
built the trust or we're justcontrolling and manipulating and
dominating because
Loree Phillip (20:19):
I.
I said, so kind of thing, youknow, parents that do because I
said, so
Sabine (20:24):
exactly, exactly.
And I think the beauty in thistoo, um, I don't want to lose
this thought is that we men,women, we, we all have this
inherent source of power.
It's the way that it'sdemonstrated.
That is really thedifferentiation.
And for many of us, we've seen,especially in the society that
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we live in right now, thatthat's very much male dominated.
It's about power over.
Whereas for us women, the waythat we naturally exercise our
power is power with, and that'sreally what influence is.
I feel like there needs to be abalance, or there can be a
balance, where the men get toexercise it as power over, we
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get to exercise it as powerwith.
But we aren't afraid of thatpower over model.
We aren't afraid or we aren'treluctant to step into, you
know, our different forms
Loree Phillip (21:19):
Yeah.
Yeah.
The, what came up for me whenyou were just talking about that
is, um, you know, part of the,um, I don't want to say problem,
but when you look at the maledominated environment that most
of us work in and a lot of thebig corporations is that.
The, the models of leaders.
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because mostly our men areshowing one kind of authority
and power demonstration,influence demonstration.
And we don't get to see anotherexample that actually would feel
more in alignment with the waythat we would like to lead as
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women.
And, and that is, that can be aproblem because when we decide
to step into Okay, my rolemodels, because this is all I
have to work with, are these.
Men and I'm not saying it's abad example.
It's just not a, um, naturalexample for everyone.
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And so when you try to step inand model their behavior, it
doesn't come out as, as, aswell, because it is not your
natural gifts.
It's not your natural way ofapproaching it.
You're not, you're going to feelicky because that's not how you
would.
Like to actually talk to peopleor whatever the example is.
And so I love this idea and wecan continue.
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Um, we'll leave this tangent,I'm sure, but I would just like
to offer that at some point wecan choose to be in our power,
to align with our authentic wayof leading.
And even if we don't have thoseexamples, we can become the
examples for other women, um,and show up the We feel
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naturally authentically able toshow up so that others can see,
Hey, you know what Sabine, herleadership style is different,
but you know what, I really likeit.
There's something about it thatreally resonates with me.
And then, you know, it can.
Spread from there.
We can be those examples andother people can, can take that
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and, and have those role modelsand representation for
themselves to feel like they canbring themselves forward in a
leadership capacity.
Sabine (23:39):
Yeah, I, I totally agree with you.
And I think the, the power in usdemonstrating our power really
just goes back to where wesourcing it from.
If we're sourcing it fromwithin, it is authentic.
It is true.
There's nothing that we need todo.
We're just showing up asourselves and that's what people
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are going to be attracted to.
And that's what gives us thepermission to influence them.
But when we are sourcing, youknow, power based on authority
that someone else gave us or amodel that we've seen that does
not resonate with us, thenpeople are naturally repelled by
that.
I truly believe that.
Oh,
Loree Phillip (24:20):
go ahead.
No, no, I was just agreeing withyou.
It, and that's, that's What youjust said is so important
because even though that's whatthat's the way that other people
may have.
It might work for other people.
Right.
And so you see that you say,well, he, he was able to really
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get his promotion or lead thatbigger team.
And it seems to work for him.
The problem is, is that when Istep in and try to lead that
way, it will fall flat.
And not only will I, um, getlost in the crowd, I'm not going
to stand out as a leader tryingto replicate somebody else.
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I will get lost in the crowd andmy, my brilliance won't come
out.
Because to your point, I'm usingexternal references in the way
I'm acting and not just tappinginto my natural way of being and
my natural brilliance to comeout.
And that's where.
You will stand out as a leader,as a role model, as an employee,
(25:25):
a professional, whateverposition you might have.
Sabine (25:29):
Yeah, I totally agree.
Um, there was something I wasgoing to say, but I probably,
it's probably a good thing thatI've lost it because we would
have stayed on this, uh, for awhile, but yeah, but if it
comes, if it comes back to me, Iwill not hesitate to bring it
back up.
Um, so with that, as we've beentalking about, you know, power
really being, um, or ourphilosophies being aligned, that
(25:52):
power is really internal.
Um, it, it, it's, it's like anyother power source, right?
Like, or I should say like anypower source, like you need
something to plug it in.
So while we may be clear.
On where our power comes from,there is a responsibility to be
intentional on a regular basisto tap into that power source.
(26:13):
So I'm curious what, whatroutines, what practices have
you put in place to help youmaintain your own personal power
and, you know, stay grounded inwho you are.
Loree Phillip (26:26):
This is such a good question.
Sabine.
Um, so for me, I would say mostof my career, I was not
intentional about this exactthing.
Um, and for that reason, Ididn't really know myself well
enough to know how toauthentically put myself out
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there.
There is this piece of light.
And I had this conversationrecently where it came to me.
If you want to be seen, You haveto see yourself first.
You have to know who you are,right?
And I didn't get this at all.
I spent most of my career in mylife.
Focusing my energy on otherpeople, on my relationships, on
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my family, on other people andturning the spotlight back on to
me was so uncomfortable, souncomfortable.
I just didn't know how to do it.
And I would sit in the, in likethe leadership discussions and
meetings where we're supposed tobe growing ourselves.
And the T the, the instructorwould say, okay, spend five
(27:36):
minutes reflecting on whatyou've learned today.
And I would roll my eyes and belike.
You know, like this is a wasteof my time, right?
And here I am as a coach now,realizing how important it is
for us to take that time tocharge our batteries, to know
who we are, to do that.
And I will say, so for me, mypractices, I started out doing,
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um, just five minutes of, ofquiet meditation, nothing,
nothing fancy, just sitting bymyself.
For five minutes in silence, andI would just put a little timer
and just start to notice what Inotice, see what thoughts came
up, let them go, you know, justbe in the moment.
(28:21):
And what was really interestingat the time, I remember talking
to somebody who was asking me.
Um, about my presentation skillsand she was like, yeah, you seem
pretty comfortable up there andI will say I was not that
comfortable, but she seemed tothink that and I said, you know
what, ever since I've been doingmy meditations, I have felt more
(28:42):
confident for some reason and Ididn't have the, um, research or
anything.
It was just the way I felt is Iwas spending this time just
alone by myself.
Daily and somehow that camethrough in the way I was showing
up every day and I still don'tknow all the science behind it,
(29:06):
but I will say it definitelyworked for me.
So I've actually grown that tonow.
I do 20 minutes a day.
Of meditation and it's notalways silent.
Sometimes I'll do a guided, uh,meditations and you can find
those all over the internet forfree or calm app or whatever you
use or you like to do, but.
(29:28):
You know, when we're so busy inthe, especially in this digital
age where there's theinformation economy, things are
coming at us all the time, like,um, notifications on your phone,
emails popping in, meetings tobe had, and you're just going
from thing to thing to thing.
You don't have a moment.
(29:50):
Just, just check in withyourself.
How are you doing?
Uh, what's actually, even thoughI have a full list today to step
back and say to yourself, well,what out of all the stuff I'm
supposed to do today is the mostimportant and actually what are
the things I should be doingthat I'm not, you know, and, and
taking control of.
(30:10):
Your, and this is in your power,right?
Taking control of your day fromthat perspective.
And it all starts with creatingspace in your day to do that.
So that, that's what I try todo.
It's not always perfect.
Um, I don't, I try to do itevery day.
It doesn't always happen.
But the beauty is, is you juststart kind of creating that
(30:30):
space every day.
And if you miss it, it's okay.
And start again the next day.
Sabine (30:35):
Yeah.
Thank you for sharing that.
So I'm hearing.
Very, very intentional.
Um, and really, really tappinginto self.
I, I think for all of uslistening, it's.
No one's thinking aboutthemselves.
Right?
Unless it's kind of like your,your stomach starts growling,
you're like, oh, I'm hungry.
Or, you know, something to thateffect.
I haven't been outside.
Mm-Hmm.
(30:56):
Um, but in those few moments ofjust saying, okay, how do you
feel?
How do you feel?
Mm-Hmm.
Or one question that I'm alsogonna incorporate is, what do
you need right now?
Mm-Hmm.
what do you need right now?
Um, so thank you for sharingthat.
Um, I did remember my otherquestion, but I, I will have to
go back to what you said inorder to be seen.
(31:19):
You have to first see yourselflike that is so powerful that I
hopefully if you are listeningthat you go back and you listen
to that because that is so true.
And what that sparked for mewas.
There's an exercise that Iassign my clients to do, and
oftentimes, the ones that Iassign this for is the ones who
(31:39):
can't see themselves.
The ones who can't see theirgreatness and they're struggling
to see it and they believe thatit's in their job or they
believe that it's in the next inthe next title or let me get to
the next place.
And really it's a simpleexercise and it drives them nuts
but it gets results so we'regoing with that.
(32:00):
I have them stare in the mirrorlike we do either it's going to
be a 30 day 15 day whatever thetime frame that I think they can
handle and commit to.
But every morning, first thingafter they brush your teeth,
they watch your face.
I want you to stare into themirror.
I want you to look dead in youreyes, not at the pimple, not at
(32:20):
the wrinkles, not at anythingelse, but stare into your eyes.
And tell yourself you loveyourself 10 times.
So that would be, Sabine, I loveyou.
Sabine, I love you.
And you don't, like, you know,if you find yourself looking
away, look right back atyourself.
And the, the feedback that I'vegotten from clients, right,
(32:43):
like, Some day, some of them,it's like, Oh, I completely
started to ball others.
It's like, Oh my gosh, this isso uncomfortable.
I don't like looking at myself.
Right.
And some others, it was justlike, Oh, okay.
Well, you know, it was kind ofcool.
And they're so detached from it.
But as time goes on, Emotionsstart to come up.
And so I, I share that to share,especially for those of you who
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are listening.
If, if you, you know, put, ifyou caught what Lori said, in
order to be seen, you have tofirst see yourself.
It doesn't matter whether or notyou're being seen on video every
week, like we are right.
This is to be seen by the peoplewho are in your house, the
people who are on the job withyou, your clients, if you're
running a business, right.
(33:26):
Or prospective clients, whateverit is.
First, see yourself.
And that's just one exercisethat, you know, I, I help
support clients to do that.
Do you have one that you want toshare and put out there as well?
Loree Phillip (33:38):
I was, I got chills when you ran through that
exercise.
I love it so much.
So being, and I can imagine howpowerful that could be for
somebody.
Um, so I don't want to water itdown.
I think if you're listening, doSabine's exercise.
And I would not be surprised ifthat creates a big difference
(34:01):
for you.
Oh,
Sabine (34:02):
it does.
I, I, I was my first client andthe tears that I cried.
Loree Phillip (34:09):
I'm going to do it.
I'm going to do it this weekend.
I'm going to try it out.
I've never done that before.
Sabine (34:14):
I love it.
So set you, I would encourageyou to set the amount of dates
that you're going to commit todoing it.
Right.
Cause doing it one time likethat experience will be like, Oh
my gosh.
But set to do it out for aperiod of time.
Um, I recommend 30 days, but Iknow sometimes people's, uh,
attention spans doesn't workthat way.
But at least, at the very least,two weeks.
(34:35):
Two solid
Loree Phillip (34:35):
weeks.
Two weeks.
Yes.
And how many times?
10
Sabine (34:39):
times.
For how long?
10 times.
Yep.
And you're, you have to say, Ilove you, Lori, um, versus just
saying, I love you.
I love that's awkward, but it'sreally, I love you and you sit
in that.
I love you.
And you sit in that.
Cool.
I'm excited.
I'm excited for the follow upon, on how that exercise works.
(35:02):
I'm going to
Loree Phillip (35:02):
be crying, everybody, just so you
Sabine (35:04):
know.
They're going to be tears, tearsthat needed to be released and,
and what we all want to be toldwe're loved.
So what greater gift can we giveourselves than to tell ourselves
that we love each ourselves eachday?
Um, so for those of you who arelistening, who decide to join
lawyer on this exercise, pleasesend me an email.
(35:26):
Let me know how that experienceis for you.
Yeah.
Awesome.
Okay.
So one more question for you aswe're thinking about, well, a
couple more questions, but as itrelates to power, as we're
thinking about, you know, all ofthe societal, uh, things that
are happening, we know that we,you know, it's been a journey
(35:49):
for us to come to this space.
And I also, you know, I'm a firmbeliever that success leaves
clues.
And that we as leaders have aresponsibility that, you know,
once we've overcome somethingthat we turn around and we
either let down the ladder, orwe sprinkle the breadcrumbs, so
that the young women who arecoming up behind us have some
(36:10):
type of pathway to go down forthemselves.
So as it relates to, you know,navigating power dynamics, um,
within, you know, the, withincorporate, within life, you name
it.
What advice would you give, uh,to those who are in leadership
positions now to help support inmaking that, that trek, if you
(36:33):
will, a little less tumultuousfor the young women who are
coming up?
Loree Phillip (36:39):
Yeah, this is a really great question and a
couple things came to mind.
One is We talked a bit about howpowerful modeling can be, so I'm
going to ask listeners who arein those leadership position to
allow yourself to be morevulnerable and to share through
(36:59):
story, the hard times, thethings you overcame, the things
that you had to push through sothat others can hear it and know
that, you know what?
I'm dealing with this right nowand I can get through it too
because we learn and we getinspired so much through another
(37:22):
person's story through if it'sreal, if it's authentic, right?
And so by opening up and beingmore vulnerable in your journey.
That is one thing I would sayright off the bat, start talking
about humanize yourself so thatothers can see themselves in you
(37:46):
and can start to see, okay, youknow what, the path is not going
to be super easy, but this is,you know, this isn't just me
that's having a hard time.
I'm not alone, you know, and,and then showing, Yourself in
that way will certainly inspireand help give clues and
(38:07):
breadcrumbs to use your word forothers to follow.
So I think that's one, the otherone that comes to mind.
And I had this conversationrecently on the topic of
imposter syndrome.
And one of the things I think wecan do as leaders.
Is to help others feelcomfortable, especially newer
(38:34):
leaders, newer employees ornewer people into a certain
environment.
When I walk into a room and sayit's a meeting, And I'm one of
the only women coming in.
I've never been in this meetingbefore.
I don't really have that titleyet, or maybe I do, but I don't
know if I feel like I deserveit.
(38:55):
Whatever it is, right?
I'm stepping into thisenvironment feeling like I don't
belong.
We can help.
If you've been in that room, ifyou're in that room, even if
you're the only one, you canhelp that other.
Woman feel comfortable, inviteher to sit next to you, tell her
after the meeting, you do belonghere next time, sit at the
table, tell her that when youcame to this meeting for the
(39:18):
first time, you feltuncomfortable.
And you know what?
There was so much value inhaving yourself there.
And you know that she can too.
And so these are things we cando to help pull other people in
and help them feel comfortableso that they can.
not withhold their thinking, notwithhold their ideas and get out
(39:43):
of their own way and show up inthese environments.
Sabine (39:48):
Oh, I love that.
So many practical nuggets.
And I think the beauty of thatis.
It's us taking ownership, right?
We don't have to wait tillsomeone comes and says, Hey, I
really felt uncomfortable there.
Like, can you give me a word ofencouragement?
Right.
But it's recognizing where wereyou when that was your first
time doing X and what word ofencouragement can you share with
(40:11):
someone?
And also that, that piece aboutsharing your struggles.
Like I, I've.
Every leader that I've ever beendrawn to, um, I've always
wondered regardless of who theywere, my, my, my instinct was
always like, I want to know whattheir story is.
Right.
I always wanted to know whattheir story because I know that
(40:32):
for anybody that we consider tobe great, they had to have a,
they, they were on a journeybefore they became great.
So I'm always curious about whatthat story is.
Um, and even gain moreadmiration and inspiration from
them.
When I learn, you know, that itwasn't always peaches and gravy
because My, my story isn'tpeaches and gravy, so I can't
(40:53):
relate to someone who, you know,like the star, the stars in the
moon, like rise and fall, youknow, at the B at their birth
and all that other stuff.
Like that just wasn't myreality.
Um, so I love that you sharedthat.
So going into the blitz sessionhere, three questions.
(41:14):
Two minutes.
Try to keep it into two.
I'm going to, I'm going to tryto keep it into two minutes.
All right.
I haven't been getting
Loree Phillip (41:21):
ready in my chair for this.
Sabine (41:24):
So as you think about, you know, all of the lessons
that you've learned, boththrough your career at Boeing as
an entrepreneur and just in lifein general, if you could go back
to a younger version of Lori andgive her some critical piece of
advice that you think would havebeen a game changer for her.
What might that be?
Loree Phillip (41:45):
Hmm.
Yeah.
I have, I have two things andone of them I already mentioned
to you before and when thisquestion came to me, um, it was
asked, you know, what would Itell my 21-year-old self?
And what came to me, and Ialmost started crying in the
moment, I hope I don't do itnow, um, is to tell her.
(42:05):
You are more powerful than youthink you are.
And that when I was 21, Iremember thinking, you know, I
just didn't really have thatconfidence yet, you know, and I,
we're all working on that.
It's a journey.
Um, But I was a bit lost and Iwas going through a lot and we,
(42:27):
we just talked about power andwe have so much more power than
we think we do.
So just tap into that, spendtime with that, feel that out
for you.
And the other one is to giveyourself more grace.
We are so hard on ourselves.
And life is not a cakewalk.
We were just talking about that.
(42:48):
Things come up and you're humanand it's okay.
And just this, it's okay.
And we live to see another day,but don't be so hard on
yourself.
There's so many critical peoplein the world.
Don't be that person foryourself.
Yes.
I
Sabine (43:04):
love that.
I love that.
And then as you look ahead,right?
So as you've stepped into thisplace of purpose, you are
driving towards your life'smission in supporting women,
empowering women, helping themtap into their own power.
If we fast forward 60, 70,however many years from now, and
(43:26):
you're looking back at yourlife, you were looking back at
the impact that you've made.
What do you want the narrativeto
Loree Phillip (43:31):
be?
I want the narrative to be, andyou know what's funny is I had a
coach ask me this question whenI was going through this process
and I came up with a big fatblank.
I could not see myself that farin advance and see this.
Legacy or this discussion aboutme.
(43:52):
And part of it is I don't likethe spotlight to being on me.
So my instinct was to say, Iwant my legacy to be about all
the people that I helped out,right.
That women are out therechoosing to listen to what they
actually want and to.
Stop worrying about what theyfeel like they should want, and
(44:16):
that, that right there, if, ifpeople would just take those
moments in their day to check inwith themselves, to understand
what they really want, and thentake action towards it, that
would be enough for me.
Um, so my legacy in 60 yearsfrom now, uh, for myself, cause
(44:38):
I, I am getting to a place thatI'm ready to want things for
myself and not just project ontoother people is I want, and I
guess this is it.
I want my, my kids.
To see that you can go for whatyou want and be happy in your
(45:00):
career and be successful.
And it's not, you can either besuccessful, but not happy, or
just you could be happy, but notsuccessful, but you can have
both.
And it comes from a place ofgoing for your dreams and giving
it a shot.
Oh,
Sabine (45:19):
I love.
Oh, okay.
I'm, I'm, I'm not gonna, uh,belabor this, but I absolutely
love.
The fact that you, you shiftedyour own narrative in deciding
that the legacy was going to beabout you.
Yes.
Even as you live out thislegacy, it is helping others.
(45:41):
It is supporting others.
It is benefiting others.
It'll benefit your kids andtheir kids and everyone else and
every other woman that youtouch.
But the fact that like youtapped in and you said, I want
this to be about me.
Um, I think that is powerful.
Uh, sadly, I have to say that'scourageous in the sense that,
(46:02):
you know, not many of us.
Think about it in that sense oflike, what will this mean for
me?
It is very much that word legacyputs it out there that it has to
be about other people.
So kudos to you for taking backyour power and taking in the
reins and saying, no, no, no,no, no.
My legacy is going to be aboutme.
It'll benefit other people, butit's going to be about me.
(46:23):
That's awesome.
Yeah.
Loree Phillip (46:24):
And I'll just say I'm not 100 percent there yet,
but what's cool about growth isI can see myself getting closer
to being able to declare that.
Sabine (46:34):
Yeah.
I love that.
I love that.
And then lastly, as far as booksgo or a book that has been
pivotal for you in your growth,either personally or
professional, uh, which, whatrecommendation do you have for
us?
Loree Phillip (46:49):
Yeah.
So this one for me, and I canalmost remember, I don't
remember the day I read it orthe set of days I read it, but I
remember the time period andwhere, where I lived and
everything, because it was sopowerful for me and it was the
power of now by Eckhart Tolle.
And, um, I know the book itselfhas a spiritual lens to it.
(47:13):
If you just take it on its meritof, I, there was something in
there that shifted for me aboutjust how powerful it is now, in
this exact moment, in thismoment I'm talking to you
Sabine, this is where lifehappens, and there was a quote,
(47:34):
and I'm gonna mess up the quote,but the general idea of it was,
That life happens now and thatthe past is a memory of now and
the future is anticipation ofnow's.
And so, but, but life is now andthe only way that we will ever.
(47:58):
Change or grow or learn oractually do what we want to do
is in this moment in each momentand and that really like sunk in
for me and I remember thinking,wow, I'm a new person after
letting this sink in and Ihaven't it's not like I read the
book or anything but in thatmoment there was something there
that I really got out of it thatchanged a lot for me.
(48:22):
Oh,
Sabine (48:23):
okay.
Definitely adding that to theshow notes and to my audible
list, I, I think I have a coupleof his books in my audible that
I just have not gotten yet tobut it's, it's funny that you
say that and I won't belaborthis but it's, it's that word
has been in my spiritconsistently and even in my,
(48:44):
like, affirmations and mydeclarations right it's been
about.
What's happening right now, likein this moment, this is, this is
what I have.
And to be present, uh, you know,I used to hear people say that
it's so important to be presentand dah, dah, dah, dah.
And I've always, I think fromchildhood, I've always lived in
the future.
Like, I've always lived in thefuture, which has made life
(49:08):
relatively frustrating for me,as you can imagine, um, so I'm
just now in the space where,yes, I can have the vision for
the future, but right now iswhat matters.
Loree Phillip (49:20):
Yes.
Have you heard the saying, and Idon't know where this came from,
um, but the present moment is agift and that's why they call it
present.
It's a present.
Yeah.
Yes.
I always loved that one.
Sabine (49:34):
Thank you for that reminder.
And then of course, you know,for those who are listening, who
want to connect with you, get intouch, learn more about your
podcast and your programs, sharewith us what you do, how they
can get in touch with you, whatyou have going on.
Loree Phillip (49:48):
Yeah, thank you so much for that, Sabine.
I've really enjoyed thisconversation.
I would love for your listenersto check out my podcast.
It's called Daring to Leap.
You can find it wherever you'relistening to this right now.
You can find it there.
And, um, I just launched a videoversion of the podcast.
Um, it's Daring to Leap TV andyou can find it on, um, Amazon.
(50:11):
Fire TV, Roku TV, under theBravehearts TV network app.
And so that's, that's thepodcast side of things.
I'd love for you to connect withme on LinkedIn and you can learn
more there, um, at Lori Phillip,P H I L L I P, um, about connect
with me and learn more about allthe things I'm up to.
Sabine (50:32):
Awesome.
Thank you.
And please check out the podcastbecause yours truly on it.
Well, Lori, thank you.
I could talk to you for hours.
Um, as always, thank you so muchfor coming on, sharing your
wisdom and also, you know, beingvery vulnerable, um, in your, in
your journey to uncovering andreally tapping into and owning
(50:54):
your power.
I sincerely
Loree Phillip (50:55):
appreciate it.
Absolutely.
It's been an honor to be withyou Sabine.
And I, I can't wait for peopleto see your episode on my, on my
show.
It's going to be, it was a goodone.
Sabine (51:08):
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
All right.
Well, with that.
We will be back next week withanother female powerhouse until
then have a great rest of theweek.
Take care.
And we will talk soon.
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(51:28):
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(51:49):
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Sabine (00:54):
Hello and welcome to another episode I'm your host
Sabine Gideon, and I'm excitedto bring you another female
powerhouse interview on womenand power.
So if you are completely new tome, welcome.
Thank you for tuning in thisweek.
So I'm going to introduce ourguests.
Today, Ms.
Lori Phillip.
(01:15):
Lori is passionate about helpingwomen build confidence and let
go of the fears and doubts,holding them back so they can
have the careers and lives theyreally want and deserve.
Lori is a former 16 year Boeingprofessional turned entrepreneur
who followed her heart to havemore freedom and impact in her
career.
She now serves as an executivecoach, the host of the top rated
(01:38):
daring to leap podcast.
And the founder and CEO ofWeSpark, a boutique coaching and
training firm for women.
With that, welcome to the show,Lori.
Loree Phillip (01:50):
Ah, thank you so much Sabine.
It's so great to be here.
Sabine (01:55):
Same here.
Same here.
I'm excited.
And for those of you who aretuning in, you missed out on a
powerful conversation in thegreen room that I'm sure will
continue.
Um, but I, I, I love when thingsstart off like that, where
there's, um, there's enough, uh,Traction in terms of our passion
and what we're going to talkabout so that we can bring you,
(02:15):
um, you know, some really,really great content.
So I read your, your biobriefly, but I know that there's
so much more to you than that.
If you would, you know, brieflywalk us through your, your
career journey and specificallywhat have been some of the
career catalysts or milestonesthat have helped you navigate
corporate America, and thencertainly stepping out on your
(02:36):
own in your own business.
Loree Phillip (02:39):
Yeah.
Thank you for the question.
Um, as you mentioned in my bio,I spent 16 years at Boeing.
So it was my first job fresh outof college.
And I got a finance degree atArizona state and I went in
straight into Boeing.
And I really did what you justdescribed in terms of moving up
(03:00):
the corporate ladder.
I started out in finance.
I moved into program managementafter I got my MBA.
And then I was in the strategyorganization, um, after that for
nine years.
And one of the catalysts I wouldsay for me.
Um, was just really my love oflearning, love of trying
(03:21):
something new.
And so I moved around a lot, notphysically, but within, um, big
companies, you can really do alot with your career.
You don't have to stay in onefunction.
You don't have to stay in oneposition.
You can stretch out and trydifferent things.
And that's what I really lovedabout the environment I worked
(03:43):
in was that I could.
Test out this, this type ofposition.
And then when I got bored ofthat, go try something else.
And so that's what I did reallywas continuously learning,
growing, trying different thingswhile I was there until, and
I'll just say that until COVIDand I'll just tell you briefly.
(04:09):
After just hearing what I said,I was very passionate about my
career at Boeing, and I probablywould have been there for 30
plus years because that's whatyou do when you work for a big
fortune 50 company that people'slike dads work there for their
whole careers and generationsand things like that.
And I had not even thought.
About leaving and doingsomething else.
(04:31):
But when COVID hit and I wasspending a lot more time working
virtually, working at home, andthere was this really
interesting extra distance andspace I had away from the
office.
the day to day that reallyhelped me get more clarity and
see the bigger picture.
And I was in this meetingstandard, uh, Webex call with
(04:56):
the team.
And for some reason, thisparticular day, I looked at it
and it was almost like this outof body experience where it.
I was listening to it from ahigher perspective and I could
see it for what it was worth.
So all of a sudden I saw it andI thought there was, we were
(05:16):
talking about just.
Same stuff.
Same problems.
We always talk about again andagain, nothing's never changing
that I'm listening.
And I'm hearing people justtalking to sound smart, you
know, positioning, um, withinthe team and positioning for
power and I'm listening.
And I'm like, you know, whatpeople because of COVID are
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starting, we're concerned abouttheir health, concerned about
their families and what mattersin life.
And what doesn't matter in life.
Hit me like a, you know, abrick.
It was just like, okay, all of asudden my career stopped
mattering to me.
It, it, it felt, it feltmeaningless in the moment and I
(06:02):
know it wasn't meaningless, butall of a sudden I had this
window open, like this, thispoking a hole into my thoughts
around.
Is this what I want to be doingfor another 15 years?
And the answer was no.
And at that point, I didn't knowwhat I wanted to do because I
hadn't thought about it before,but it was that opening.
(06:23):
And then it was that seed thatplanted that just wouldn't go
away.
Um, because from there, it justkept coming back up.
And so I started to payattention to it.
And so that's what started myjourney into figuring out my
passions, my strengths.
Like if I had a blank piece ofpaper, What kind of career would
(06:44):
I create for myself and goingthrough that process with a
coach and defining that led meto feel comfortable and
confident enough to leave whatwas a very stable, secure 16
year career that a lot of peoplewere like.
What are you doing?
You know, like, are you sure?
(07:05):
Kind of thinking.
So, so that's what happened.
And, um, I left last July.
Oh, wow.
So it's been a little over ayear.
Sabine (07:14):
Okay.
So you are, you're, I can't, Idon't know if you're officially
part of the great resignation,but definitely, uh, within that
bucket of people taking thattime to really, um, to self
assess.
And it's funny as you weretalking.
I knew you worked at Boeing, um,but I didn't realize how similar
our, our callings out had been.
(07:36):
Um, so for me, it was while Iwas working, uh, at United
Technologies, which is nowRaytheon Technologies, which is
a competitor, uh, to Boeing.
So to your point, same thing,like you could easily Either get
lost or, you know, transition,however, however you wanted.
And I remember I was, uh, in arotation program and by the
second rotation, I was in thisrole and literally in the office
(08:00):
7 30 in the morning, uh, notleaving until 6 37, seven
o'clock at night.
And it was day after day, afterday, after day, to the point of.
I think that's the first time Irealized that I was experiencing
burnout.
And I remember just sittingthere similar to you.
I'm sitting in a meeting andit's just like, I'm, I'm looking
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at this point.
I was kind of like looking ateveryone and it was just like, I
can't do this.
Like, I, I can't do this.
Like, if this is, if this iswhat climbing the ladder
requires.
I don't, I don't want itanymore.
And at that point, it was just,it was, it was scary, but it was
(08:41):
also liberating, right?
It's, it's scary when you canlook at your situation that
you're currently in and kind ofsay, I don't want this anymore,
but not know.
Well, what is it that you want?
Um, that was the part that kindof, you know, that, and I'm glad
that you got a coach.
I ended up getting a coach, butit was more to start the
business.
Um, but that, that is a realthing where I think a lot of us
(09:04):
experience that.
And there are probably beenother times where we had
experienced something similar,maybe not to that extent, but it
was easier to.
Ignore and, or, you know, gointo our justifications of,
yeah, well, that might be niceto, to leave and start that
thing, but, you know, I havebills.
I have this, I have that.
(09:25):
So I say all that to say, youknow, uh, kudos to you for.
You know, taking that experienceand really leaning into it and
doing the work and gaining theclarity so that now you're in
this space where you aresupporting women who not
necessarily are just looking toleave corporate, but who are
looking to advance, looking togrow.
(09:46):
so yes, let's get into thispower.
And I have questions and I wantto go back to something that you
said about that meeting, thatpivotal meeting for you, where
you are observing peoplepositioning for power.
Um, cause I, I, okay, I won'tspoil it.
We'll, we'll go back to that.
So We've been talking aboutwomen in power and really
(10:07):
breaking down some of the, themyths around, you know, power,
maybe not even myths, but someof the mental barriers, some of
the societal barriers.
Um, how do we define, you know,different power dynamics?
How do we engage?
In certain power dynamics andreally get to a place where we
own our own power and feelcomfortable, confident enough to
(10:30):
stand in and say, I am apowerful woman.
Um, and then proceed to behaveas such.
So I've been asking guests, uh,you know, what their definitions
are on three words, power.
Authority and influence and howthose three words specifically
based on their definitions haveshown up for them.
(10:51):
Of course, there are no right orwrong answers because everyone's
answer has been, you know,completely different.
Some similarities.
Um, but I think the beauty inthis is that, you know, the more
you can start to see or hear howothers define it.
Right.
That might help spark for thosewho are listening.
Um, the, the inspiration tostart to define it for
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themselves and then examine howthat definition is either
serving them or how it'srestricting them.
And if, and, and how they mightwant to make, or they might want
to adopt a different definitionbased on who they are today.
So with that, with that setup,um, I'm curious, Lori, how do
you define the three?
(11:33):
Power, authority, and influenceand how does it show up for you
or how have they shown up
Loree Phillip (11:38):
for you?
Yeah, I really love thisconversation, Sabine, and just
that we're taking the time toreally dive in this deep on a
topic and terminology and how itapplies.
And I will start with powerbecause I think that, and I
don't know if this is true, butwhen you think about the word
(11:59):
power, you might think aboutsomebody who's powerful,
somebody who's in a position ofpower, something external where
somebody granted you.
So being you now have the powerto run this team, you know, but
when I think about power formyself, and this is shifted for
me over time, I think about selfempowerment, the power that I
(12:24):
can control within myself.
And.
We are limiting ourselves in somuch because I've been expanding
this and thinking about, okay,what kind of powers do I have,
right?
Where, where did I think that Ididn't have power, but in
(12:45):
actuality I did, but I did notallow myself.
That power.
And so for the from the powerside, my definition would be
that the self empowerment wehave within our control to show
up to decide to be a goodlistener to give somebody your
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attention to, you know, there'sthere's so many things.
And I don't know if, um You'veseen one of these charts.
I've seen them on likeInstagram, a visual of, okay,
what's in your control andwhat's outside of your control,
right?
And then they list, okay, yourattitude is in your control,
(13:30):
your thoughts, your this, yourthat, whatever.
And then outside of your controlis the outside environment.
And so for me, that power pieceis all that stuff in that, in
your control bucket.
And then for, um, the next onewas authority, right?
Authority.
So to me, authority is moreformal.
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This is positional power.
This is, um, for me, mydefinition is I have authority
within That was given to mebecause I am the leader of this
team, or I have responsibilityover this project, or I have
decision making authority onthis contract, or, you know,
(14:16):
it's it's I have permissionwithin my organization within my
company to make a decision in aparticular way to.
Decide how I want to structuremy team, things like that.
So to me, that's what authorityis.
And then as far as influencegoes for me, this is a person's
(14:39):
ability to impact other peoplein how they act.
And I, I'll kind of, um,reorganize my thoughts on that,
but it's, you know, when youhave influence, where it's
different from positionalauthority.
(15:02):
Is.
Use of being don't have to be onmy team, but because we have a
rapport, because we have arelationship, because you care
what I have to say, I can cometo you and explain to you why I
think you should do X, Y, Z, andyou might actually do it.
And that's influence, because Idon't have to be your boss.
(15:27):
To do that, right?
I don't have to have directauthority over giving you an
assignment, but when you haveinfluence, you're able to
cultivate relationships in sucha way and build that trust and
rapport to have people reallyhear your ideas.
(15:47):
and actually listen enough thatthey might do what you're asking
them to do or shift directionsthan what they were originally
thinking about.
To me, that is influence.
So that's impact throughrelationships.
With another person.
Love it.
Sabine (16:06):
I love it.
So I want to, um, so tosummarize based on what I wrote
down, cause you shared so manygreat nuggets here.
So from a power perspective,that's really about self
empowerment.
So that comes from within, uh,we are in agreement with that.
And then the formal or theauthority is a little bit more
formal.
It is what is bestowed upon us,or we are given permission to
(16:29):
exercise authority.
So that is very much.
Um, while we may have it, it'san external source versus power
being an internal source andthen influence being almost like
the demonstration or themanifestation of, you know, our
ability to impact whether we'reusing, um, our, our power from
(16:50):
an internal source or we're,we're using our authority from
an external source.
Um, the influence is like the,the effect, if you will, or our
ability or effectiveness is, is.
Yeah, our ability to effectivelyinfluence is almost the result
of the use of either one ofthose.
(17:10):
Is that, is that accurate?
Loree Phillip (17:13):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think that's accurate.
And, um, when I was, you know,sometimes We don't really know
what we think about a term untilwe start talking about it.
So as I was talking about it,um, you know, the piece that I
would just add into what youjust laid out for influence is
it does, um, seem to me thatwhat's really important there
(17:36):
is.
Um, through relationship orthrough, through trust, I think
it's really trust, you know,that you can really influence
somebody to do something thatyou feel like is the right thing
to do, whatever it is thatyou're trying to influence
somebody.
And so that, I mean, there is apersonal power piece to that,
(17:58):
but there's also this, um,Credibility and over time
building in relationships and inshowing up and, and, you know,
having this, um, relationshipwith somebody that, that, that
really does do a lot forinfluence.
Sabine (18:14):
Yeah, thank you for adding that on and also I want
to acknowledge what you said interms of, it's not until you
have to like think aboutsomething like the terminology
and like really talk it out tillyou.
You start to work through ityourself.
And, and I think you justdemonstrated the exactly what I,
I want to come out of this, uh,series is that people start
(18:37):
doing just that, like, what do Ibelieve about these things?
Um, you know, where have I seenthem exercise and I assigned a
good meaning to it, or, youknow, I've never even thought
about it.
Um, because the truth is it's,it's, you know, with it's.
Especially with power, that'ssomething that we're introduced
to when we're two, right?
(18:57):
So our most, most two year oldsfirst word, or maybe the second
word is no, no, no, right?
Like that is when we getintroduced to, or we start
experimenting.
With our own personal power andbased on the, uh, the reaction
of our parents, our caretakers,you know, we give it a
particular meaning, um, andespecially authority, right.
(19:20):
Depending on the household thatyou were brought up in, right.
Who was the authoritarian in thehouse?
Right.
And how did that show up?
And.
You know, what meaning did yougive to authority based on those
earlier relationships?
And so I think it's, it'simportant for us to really start
examining this.
Cause if we're ever going to getto a place where we own our
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power, we own our voice, we ownour influence and our authority,
we have to know what it is.
And we have to really assess.
Do I still have some, um, somenegative meaning attached to
authority?
Because I do think you needauthority to exercise influence,
to exercise power in anycapacity.
(20:03):
We still need authority.
Now how we demonstrate thatauthority, that's what
distinguishes whether or notit's really that we're
influencing people because we'vebuilt the relationship, we've
built the trust or we're justcontrolling and manipulating and
dominating because
Loree Phillip (20:19):
I.
I said, so kind of thing, youknow, parents that do because I
said, so
Sabine (20:24):
exactly, exactly.
And I think the beauty in thistoo, um, I don't want to lose
this thought is that we men,women, we, we all have this
inherent source of power.
It's the way that it'sdemonstrated.
That is really thedifferentiation.
And for many of us, we've seen,especially in the society that
(20:44):
we live in right now, thatthat's very much male dominated.
It's about power over.
Whereas for us women, the waythat we naturally exercise our
power is power with, and that'sreally what influence is.
I feel like there needs to be abalance, or there can be a
balance, where the men get toexercise it as power over, we
(21:06):
get to exercise it as powerwith.
But we aren't afraid of thatpower over model.
We aren't afraid or we aren'treluctant to step into, you
know, our different forms
Loree Phillip (21:19):
Yeah.
Yeah.
The, what came up for me whenyou were just talking about that
is, um, you know, part of the,um, I don't want to say problem,
but when you look at the maledominated environment that most
of us work in and a lot of thebig corporations is that.
The, the models of leaders.
(21:42):
because mostly our men areshowing one kind of authority
and power demonstration,influence demonstration.
And we don't get to see anotherexample that actually would feel
more in alignment with the waythat we would like to lead as
(22:02):
women.
And, and that is, that can be aproblem because when we decide
to step into Okay, my rolemodels, because this is all I
have to work with, are these.
Men and I'm not saying it's abad example.
It's just not a, um, naturalexample for everyone.
(22:24):
And so when you try to step inand model their behavior, it
doesn't come out as, as, aswell, because it is not your
natural gifts.
It's not your natural way ofapproaching it.
You're not, you're going to feelicky because that's not how you
would.
Like to actually talk to peopleor whatever the example is.
And so I love this idea and wecan continue.
(22:46):
Um, we'll leave this tangent,I'm sure, but I would just like
to offer that at some point wecan choose to be in our power,
to align with our authentic wayof leading.
And even if we don't have thoseexamples, we can become the
examples for other women, um,and show up the We feel
(23:08):
naturally authentically able toshow up so that others can see,
Hey, you know what Sabine, herleadership style is different,
but you know what, I really likeit.
There's something about it thatreally resonates with me.
And then, you know, it can.
Spread from there.
We can be those examples andother people can, can take that
(23:31):
and, and have those role modelsand representation for
themselves to feel like they canbring themselves forward in a
leadership capacity.
Sabine (23:39):
Yeah, I, I totally agree with you.
And I think the, the power in usdemonstrating our power really
just goes back to where wesourcing it from.
If we're sourcing it fromwithin, it is authentic.
It is true.
There's nothing that we need todo.
We're just showing up asourselves and that's what people
(24:00):
are going to be attracted to.
And that's what gives us thepermission to influence them.
But when we are sourcing, youknow, power based on authority
that someone else gave us or amodel that we've seen that does
not resonate with us, thenpeople are naturally repelled by
that.
I truly believe that.
Oh,
Loree Phillip (24:20):
go ahead.
No, no, I was just agreeing withyou.
It, and that's, that's What youjust said is so important
because even though that's whatthat's the way that other people
may have.
It might work for other people.
Right.
And so you see that you say,well, he, he was able to really
(24:42):
get his promotion or lead thatbigger team.
And it seems to work for him.
The problem is, is that when Istep in and try to lead that
way, it will fall flat.
And not only will I, um, getlost in the crowd, I'm not going
to stand out as a leader tryingto replicate somebody else.
(25:03):
I will get lost in the crowd andmy, my brilliance won't come
out.
Because to your point, I'm usingexternal references in the way
I'm acting and not just tappinginto my natural way of being and
my natural brilliance to comeout.
And that's where.
You will stand out as a leader,as a role model, as an employee,
(25:25):
a professional, whateverposition you might have.
Sabine (25:29):
Yeah, I totally agree.
Um, there was something I wasgoing to say, but I probably,
it's probably a good thing thatI've lost it because we would
have stayed on this, uh, for awhile, but yeah, but if it
comes, if it comes back to me, Iwill not hesitate to bring it
back up.
Um, so with that, as we've beentalking about, you know, power
really being, um, or ourphilosophies being aligned, that
(25:52):
power is really internal.
Um, it, it, it's, it's like anyother power source, right?
Like, or I should say like anypower source, like you need
something to plug it in.
So while we may be clear.
On where our power comes from,there is a responsibility to be
intentional on a regular basisto tap into that power source.
(26:13):
So I'm curious what, whatroutines, what practices have
you put in place to help youmaintain your own personal power
and, you know, stay grounded inwho you are.
Loree Phillip (26:26):
This is such a good question.
Sabine.
Um, so for me, I would say mostof my career, I was not
intentional about this exactthing.
Um, and for that reason, Ididn't really know myself well
enough to know how toauthentically put myself out
(26:50):
there.
There is this piece of light.
And I had this conversationrecently where it came to me.
If you want to be seen, You haveto see yourself first.
You have to know who you are,right?
And I didn't get this at all.
I spent most of my career in mylife.
Focusing my energy on otherpeople, on my relationships, on
(27:15):
my family, on other people andturning the spotlight back on to
me was so uncomfortable, souncomfortable.
I just didn't know how to do it.
And I would sit in the, in likethe leadership discussions and
meetings where we're supposed tobe growing ourselves.
And the T the, the instructorwould say, okay, spend five
(27:36):
minutes reflecting on whatyou've learned today.
And I would roll my eyes and belike.
You know, like this is a wasteof my time, right?
And here I am as a coach now,realizing how important it is
for us to take that time tocharge our batteries, to know
who we are, to do that.
And I will say, so for me, mypractices, I started out doing,
(28:00):
um, just five minutes of, ofquiet meditation, nothing,
nothing fancy, just sitting bymyself.
For five minutes in silence, andI would just put a little timer
and just start to notice what Inotice, see what thoughts came
up, let them go, you know, justbe in the moment.
(28:21):
And what was really interestingat the time, I remember talking
to somebody who was asking me.
Um, about my presentation skillsand she was like, yeah, you seem
pretty comfortable up there andI will say I was not that
comfortable, but she seemed tothink that and I said, you know
what, ever since I've been doingmy meditations, I have felt more
(28:42):
confident for some reason and Ididn't have the, um, research or
anything.
It was just the way I felt is Iwas spending this time just
alone by myself.
Daily and somehow that camethrough in the way I was showing
up every day and I still don'tknow all the science behind it,
(29:06):
but I will say it definitelyworked for me.
So I've actually grown that tonow.
I do 20 minutes a day.
Of meditation and it's notalways silent.
Sometimes I'll do a guided, uh,meditations and you can find
those all over the internet forfree or calm app or whatever you
use or you like to do, but.
(29:28):
You know, when we're so busy inthe, especially in this digital
age where there's theinformation economy, things are
coming at us all the time, like,um, notifications on your phone,
emails popping in, meetings tobe had, and you're just going
from thing to thing to thing.
You don't have a moment.
(29:50):
Just, just check in withyourself.
How are you doing?
Uh, what's actually, even thoughI have a full list today to step
back and say to yourself, well,what out of all the stuff I'm
supposed to do today is the mostimportant and actually what are
the things I should be doingthat I'm not, you know, and, and
taking control of.
(30:10):
Your, and this is in your power,right?
Taking control of your day fromthat perspective.
And it all starts with creatingspace in your day to do that.
So that, that's what I try todo.
It's not always perfect.
Um, I don't, I try to do itevery day.
It doesn't always happen.
But the beauty is, is you juststart kind of creating that
(30:30):
space every day.
And if you miss it, it's okay.
And start again the next day.
Sabine (30:35):
Yeah.
Thank you for sharing that.
So I'm hearing.
Very, very intentional.
Um, and really, really tappinginto self.
I, I think for all of uslistening, it's.
No one's thinking aboutthemselves.
Right?
Unless it's kind of like your,your stomach starts growling,
you're like, oh, I'm hungry.
Or, you know, something to thateffect.
I haven't been outside.
Mm-Hmm.
(30:56):
Um, but in those few moments ofjust saying, okay, how do you
feel?
How do you feel?
Mm-Hmm.
Or one question that I'm alsogonna incorporate is, what do
you need right now?
Mm-Hmm.
what do you need right now?
Um, so thank you for sharingthat.
Um, I did remember my otherquestion, but I, I will have to
go back to what you said inorder to be seen.
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You have to first see yourselflike that is so powerful that I
hopefully if you are listeningthat you go back and you listen
to that because that is so true.
And what that sparked for mewas.
There's an exercise that Iassign my clients to do, and
oftentimes, the ones that Iassign this for is the ones who
(31:39):
can't see themselves.
The ones who can't see theirgreatness and they're struggling
to see it and they believe thatit's in their job or they
believe that it's in the next inthe next title or let me get to
the next place.
And really it's a simpleexercise and it drives them nuts
but it gets results so we'regoing with that.
(32:00):
I have them stare in the mirrorlike we do either it's going to
be a 30 day 15 day whatever thetime frame that I think they can
handle and commit to.
But every morning, first thingafter they brush your teeth,
they watch your face.
I want you to stare into themirror.
I want you to look dead in youreyes, not at the pimple, not at
(32:20):
the wrinkles, not at anythingelse, but stare into your eyes.
And tell yourself you loveyourself 10 times.
So that would be, Sabine, I loveyou.
Sabine, I love you.
And you don't, like, you know,if you find yourself looking
away, look right back atyourself.
And the, the feedback that I'vegotten from clients, right,
(32:43):
like, Some day, some of them,it's like, Oh, I completely
started to ball others.
It's like, Oh my gosh, this isso uncomfortable.
I don't like looking at myself.
Right.
And some others, it was justlike, Oh, okay.
Well, you know, it was kind ofcool.
And they're so detached from it.
But as time goes on, Emotionsstart to come up.
And so I, I share that to share,especially for those of you who
(33:05):
are listening.
If, if you, you know, put, ifyou caught what Lori said, in
order to be seen, you have tofirst see yourself.
It doesn't matter whether or notyou're being seen on video every
week, like we are right.
This is to be seen by the peoplewho are in your house, the
people who are on the job withyou, your clients, if you're
running a business, right.
(33:26):
Or prospective clients, whateverit is.
First, see yourself.
And that's just one exercisethat, you know, I, I help
support clients to do that.
Do you have one that you want toshare and put out there as well?
Loree Phillip (33:38):
I was, I got chills when you ran through that
exercise.
I love it so much.
So being, and I can imagine howpowerful that could be for
somebody.
Um, so I don't want to water itdown.
I think if you're listening, doSabine's exercise.
And I would not be surprised ifthat creates a big difference
(34:01):
for you.
Oh,
Sabine (34:02):
it does.
I, I, I was my first client andthe tears that I cried.
Loree Phillip (34:09):
I'm going to do it.
I'm going to do it this weekend.
I'm going to try it out.
I've never done that before.
Sabine (34:14):
I love it.
So set you, I would encourageyou to set the amount of dates
that you're going to commit todoing it.
Right.
Cause doing it one time likethat experience will be like, Oh
my gosh.
But set to do it out for aperiod of time.
Um, I recommend 30 days, but Iknow sometimes people's, uh,
attention spans doesn't workthat way.
But at least, at the very least,two weeks.
(34:35):
Two solid
Loree Phillip (34:35):
weeks.
Two weeks.
Yes.
And how many times?
10
Sabine (34:39):
times.
For how long?
10 times.
Yep.
And you're, you have to say, Ilove you, Lori, um, versus just
saying, I love you.
I love that's awkward, but it'sreally, I love you and you sit
in that.
I love you.
And you sit in that.
Cool.
I'm excited.
I'm excited for the follow upon, on how that exercise works.
(35:02):
I'm going to
Loree Phillip (35:02):
be crying, everybody, just so you
Sabine (35:04):
know.
They're going to be tears, tearsthat needed to be released and,
and what we all want to be toldwe're loved.
So what greater gift can we giveourselves than to tell ourselves
that we love each ourselves eachday?
Um, so for those of you who arelistening, who decide to join
lawyer on this exercise, pleasesend me an email.
(35:26):
Let me know how that experienceis for you.
Yeah.
Awesome.
Okay.
So one more question for you aswe're thinking about, well, a
couple more questions, but as itrelates to power, as we're
thinking about, you know, all ofthe societal, uh, things that
are happening, we know that we,you know, it's been a journey
(35:49):
for us to come to this space.
And I also, you know, I'm a firmbeliever that success leaves
clues.
And that we as leaders have aresponsibility that, you know,
once we've overcome somethingthat we turn around and we
either let down the ladder, orwe sprinkle the breadcrumbs, so
that the young women who arecoming up behind us have some
(36:10):
type of pathway to go down forthemselves.
So as it relates to, you know,navigating power dynamics, um,
within, you know, the, withincorporate, within life, you name
it.
What advice would you give, uh,to those who are in leadership
positions now to help support inmaking that, that trek, if you
(36:33):
will, a little less tumultuousfor the young women who are
coming up?
Loree Phillip (36:39):
Yeah, this is a really great question and a
couple things came to mind.
One is We talked a bit about howpowerful modeling can be, so I'm
going to ask listeners who arein those leadership position to
allow yourself to be morevulnerable and to share through
(36:59):
story, the hard times, thethings you overcame, the things
that you had to push through sothat others can hear it and know
that, you know what?
I'm dealing with this right nowand I can get through it too
because we learn and we getinspired so much through another
(37:22):
person's story through if it'sreal, if it's authentic, right?
And so by opening up and beingmore vulnerable in your journey.
That is one thing I would sayright off the bat, start talking
about humanize yourself so thatothers can see themselves in you
(37:46):
and can start to see, okay, youknow what, the path is not going
to be super easy, but this is,you know, this isn't just me
that's having a hard time.
I'm not alone, you know, and,and then showing, Yourself in
that way will certainly inspireand help give clues and
(38:07):
breadcrumbs to use your word forothers to follow.
So I think that's one, the otherone that comes to mind.
And I had this conversationrecently on the topic of
imposter syndrome.
And one of the things I think wecan do as leaders.
Is to help others feelcomfortable, especially newer
(38:34):
leaders, newer employees ornewer people into a certain
environment.
When I walk into a room and sayit's a meeting, And I'm one of
the only women coming in.
I've never been in this meetingbefore.
I don't really have that titleyet, or maybe I do, but I don't
know if I feel like I deserveit.
(38:55):
Whatever it is, right?
I'm stepping into thisenvironment feeling like I don't
belong.
We can help.
If you've been in that room, ifyou're in that room, even if
you're the only one, you canhelp that other.
Woman feel comfortable, inviteher to sit next to you, tell her
after the meeting, you do belonghere next time, sit at the
table, tell her that when youcame to this meeting for the
(39:18):
first time, you feltuncomfortable.
And you know what?
There was so much value inhaving yourself there.
And you know that she can too.
And so these are things we cando to help pull other people in
and help them feel comfortableso that they can.
not withhold their thinking, notwithhold their ideas and get out
(39:43):
of their own way and show up inthese environments.
Sabine (39:48):
Oh, I love that.
So many practical nuggets.
And I think the beauty of thatis.
It's us taking ownership, right?
We don't have to wait tillsomeone comes and says, Hey, I
really felt uncomfortable there.
Like, can you give me a word ofencouragement?
Right.
But it's recognizing where wereyou when that was your first
time doing X and what word ofencouragement can you share with
(40:11):
someone?
And also that, that piece aboutsharing your struggles.
Like I, I've.
Every leader that I've ever beendrawn to, um, I've always
wondered regardless of who theywere, my, my, my instinct was
always like, I want to know whattheir story is.
Right.
I always wanted to know whattheir story because I know that
(40:32):
for anybody that we consider tobe great, they had to have a,
they, they were on a journeybefore they became great.
So I'm always curious about whatthat story is.
Um, and even gain moreadmiration and inspiration from
them.
When I learn, you know, that itwasn't always peaches and gravy
because My, my story isn'tpeaches and gravy, so I can't
(40:53):
relate to someone who, you know,like the star, the stars in the
moon, like rise and fall, youknow, at the B at their birth
and all that other stuff.
Like that just wasn't myreality.
Um, so I love that you sharedthat.
So going into the blitz sessionhere, three questions.
(41:14):
Two minutes.
Try to keep it into two.
I'm going to, I'm going to tryto keep it into two minutes.
All right.
I haven't been getting
Loree Phillip (41:21):
ready in my chair for this.
Sabine (41:24):
So as you think about, you know, all of the lessons
that you've learned, boththrough your career at Boeing as
an entrepreneur and just in lifein general, if you could go back
to a younger version of Lori andgive her some critical piece of
advice that you think would havebeen a game changer for her.
What might that be?
Loree Phillip (41:45):
Hmm.
Yeah.
I have, I have two things andone of them I already mentioned
to you before and when thisquestion came to me, um, it was
asked, you know, what would Itell my 21-year-old self?
And what came to me, and Ialmost started crying in the
moment, I hope I don't do itnow, um, is to tell her.
(42:05):
You are more powerful than youthink you are.
And that when I was 21, Iremember thinking, you know, I
just didn't really have thatconfidence yet, you know, and I,
we're all working on that.
It's a journey.
Um, But I was a bit lost and Iwas going through a lot and we,
(42:27):
we just talked about power andwe have so much more power than
we think we do.
So just tap into that, spendtime with that, feel that out
for you.
And the other one is to giveyourself more grace.
We are so hard on ourselves.
And life is not a cakewalk.
We were just talking about that.
(42:48):
Things come up and you're humanand it's okay.
And just this, it's okay.
And we live to see another day,but don't be so hard on
yourself.
There's so many critical peoplein the world.
Don't be that person foryourself.
Yes.
I
Sabine (43:04):
love that.
I love that.
And then as you look ahead,right?
So as you've stepped into thisplace of purpose, you are
driving towards your life'smission in supporting women,
empowering women, helping themtap into their own power.
If we fast forward 60, 70,however many years from now, and
(43:26):
you're looking back at yourlife, you were looking back at
the impact that you've made.
What do you want the narrativeto
Loree Phillip (43:31):
be?
I want the narrative to be, andyou know what's funny is I had a
coach ask me this question whenI was going through this process
and I came up with a big fatblank.
I could not see myself that farin advance and see this.
Legacy or this discussion aboutme.
(43:52):
And part of it is I don't likethe spotlight to being on me.
So my instinct was to say, Iwant my legacy to be about all
the people that I helped out,right.
That women are out therechoosing to listen to what they
actually want and to.
Stop worrying about what theyfeel like they should want, and
(44:16):
that, that right there, if, ifpeople would just take those
moments in their day to check inwith themselves, to understand
what they really want, and thentake action towards it, that
would be enough for me.
Um, so my legacy in 60 yearsfrom now, uh, for myself, cause
(44:38):
I, I am getting to a place thatI'm ready to want things for
myself and not just project ontoother people is I want, and I
guess this is it.
I want my, my kids.
To see that you can go for whatyou want and be happy in your
(45:00):
career and be successful.
And it's not, you can either besuccessful, but not happy, or
just you could be happy, but notsuccessful, but you can have
both.
And it comes from a place ofgoing for your dreams and giving
it a shot.
Oh,
Sabine (45:19):
I love.
Oh, okay.
I'm, I'm, I'm not gonna, uh,belabor this, but I absolutely
love.
The fact that you, you shiftedyour own narrative in deciding
that the legacy was going to beabout you.
Yes.
Even as you live out thislegacy, it is helping others.
(45:41):
It is supporting others.
It is benefiting others.
It'll benefit your kids andtheir kids and everyone else and
every other woman that youtouch.
But the fact that like youtapped in and you said, I want
this to be about me.
Um, I think that is powerful.
Uh, sadly, I have to say that'scourageous in the sense that,
(46:02):
you know, not many of us.
Think about it in that sense oflike, what will this mean for
me?
It is very much that word legacyputs it out there that it has to
be about other people.
So kudos to you for taking backyour power and taking in the
reins and saying, no, no, no,no, no.
My legacy is going to be aboutme.
It'll benefit other people, butit's going to be about me.
(46:23):
That's awesome.
Yeah.
Loree Phillip (46:24):
And I'll just say I'm not 100 percent there yet,
but what's cool about growth isI can see myself getting closer
to being able to declare that.
Sabine (46:34):
Yeah.
I love that.
I love that.
And then lastly, as far as booksgo or a book that has been
pivotal for you in your growth,either personally or
professional, uh, which, whatrecommendation do you have for
us?
Loree Phillip (46:49):
Yeah.
So this one for me, and I canalmost remember, I don't
remember the day I read it orthe set of days I read it, but I
remember the time period andwhere, where I lived and
everything, because it was sopowerful for me and it was the
power of now by Eckhart Tolle.
And, um, I know the book itselfhas a spiritual lens to it.
(47:13):
If you just take it on its meritof, I, there was something in
there that shifted for me aboutjust how powerful it is now, in
this exact moment, in thismoment I'm talking to you
Sabine, this is where lifehappens, and there was a quote,
(47:34):
and I'm gonna mess up the quote,but the general idea of it was,
That life happens now and thatthe past is a memory of now and
the future is anticipation ofnow's.
And so, but, but life is now andthe only way that we will ever.
(47:58):
Change or grow or learn oractually do what we want to do
is in this moment in each momentand and that really like sunk in
for me and I remember thinking,wow, I'm a new person after
letting this sink in and Ihaven't it's not like I read the
book or anything but in thatmoment there was something there
that I really got out of it thatchanged a lot for me.
(48:22):
Oh,
Sabine (48:23):
okay.
Definitely adding that to theshow notes and to my audible
list, I, I think I have a coupleof his books in my audible that
I just have not gotten yet tobut it's, it's funny that you
say that and I won't belaborthis but it's, it's that word
has been in my spiritconsistently and even in my,
(48:44):
like, affirmations and mydeclarations right it's been
about.
What's happening right now, likein this moment, this is, this is
what I have.
And to be present, uh, you know,I used to hear people say that
it's so important to be presentand dah, dah, dah, dah.
And I've always, I think fromchildhood, I've always lived in
the future.
Like, I've always lived in thefuture, which has made life
(49:08):
relatively frustrating for me,as you can imagine, um, so I'm
just now in the space where,yes, I can have the vision for
the future, but right now iswhat matters.
Loree Phillip (49:20):
Yes.
Have you heard the saying, and Idon't know where this came from,
um, but the present moment is agift and that's why they call it
present.
It's a present.
Yeah.
Yes.
I always loved that one.
Sabine (49:34):
Thank you for that reminder.
And then of course, you know,for those who are listening, who
want to connect with you, get intouch, learn more about your
podcast and your programs, sharewith us what you do, how they
can get in touch with you, whatyou have going on.
Loree Phillip (49:48):
Yeah, thank you so much for that, Sabine.
I've really enjoyed thisconversation.
I would love for your listenersto check out my podcast.
It's called Daring to Leap.
You can find it wherever you'relistening to this right now.
You can find it there.
And, um, I just launched a videoversion of the podcast.
Um, it's Daring to Leap TV andyou can find it on, um, Amazon.
(50:11):
Fire TV, Roku TV, under theBravehearts TV network app.
And so that's, that's thepodcast side of things.
I'd love for you to connect withme on LinkedIn and you can learn
more there, um, at Lori Phillip,P H I L L I P, um, about connect
with me and learn more about allthe things I'm up to.
Sabine (50:32):
Awesome.
Thank you.
And please check out the podcastbecause yours truly on it.
Well, Lori, thank you.
I could talk to you for hours.
Um, as always, thank you so muchfor coming on, sharing your
wisdom and also, you know, beingvery vulnerable, um, in your, in
your journey to uncovering andreally tapping into and owning
(50:54):
your power.
I sincerely
Loree Phillip (50:55):
appreciate it.
Absolutely.
It's been an honor to be withyou Sabine.
And I, I can't wait for peopleto see your episode on my, on my
show.
It's going to be, it was a goodone.
Sabine (51:08):
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
All right.
Well, with that.
We will be back next week withanother female powerhouse until
then have a great rest of theweek.
Take care.
And we will talk soon.
Hope you enjoyed this week'sepisode.
If you found today'sconversation helpful or got a
piece of insight that you planto implement in your life, I'd
love to hear from you.
(51:28):
Connect with me on LinkedIn atSabine Gideon and send me a
message, or feel free to leave areview on either Apple or
Spotify.
I also invite you to share thisepisode with anyone in your
network, another powerhouse,possibly.
Who you think might benefit fromtoday's conversation.
Lastly, as always, any links,any resources, or any upcoming
(51:49):
training is included in the shownotes.
So be sure to check that beforeyou leave today.
Until we chat again, have ablessed and powerful week.
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