Leaving Hillsong

Leaving Hillsong

the people and the stories


January 31, 2023 25 min

Grace and Tanya talk about pastors turning into life coaches and #nepobabies also called career advancement in #Hillsong as well as many other nuggets of info that Grace is famous here for dropping into conversation. 

This is Part 3 and it's the final so come on over and chat with us!

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The talk continues about philosophical crises and education or lack thereof in the hallowed Pentecostal halls. Grace has lots more to say and it's always such an interesting iceberg to chip away at. 

So come talk with us! 

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Grace went to #Hillsong for #Christmas and reports back on what that was like. 

I play various clips of preaching that can be picked apart. We discuss all kinds of hypocrisies and questions left over while everything is left dangling in the air over this once hugely influential megachurch. 

So grab your snacks and your beanbags and come gossip with us tonight!

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January 27, 2023 46 min

The surprise sale of the Houston family belongings on Instagram made for an even happier new year for people wanting to know where their tithes ended up. 

Brian and Bobbie are selling up and moving out and moving on up or somewhere who knows? 

Join Matthew Drapper and me, Tanya Levin for an irreverent and bemusing look at the items that the #Hillsong people have posted willingly online, from slippers to cushions to that jacket!

So ...

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January 22, 2023 55 min

London's #Hillsong seemed exciting to Catherine and an opportunity to further her walk with God through a church where she might use her talents. 

There was only one problem - the rest of her life, including her work, got in the way. 

Catherine attended Hillsong for years, despite her limited capacity to 'serve' but eventually, she left, and only relatively recently to this recording. 

Find out why and how this Christia...

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Hi there! Welcome back to Leaving Hillsong and The Court Case of Brian Charles Houston on one count of concealing a serious indictable offence, namely his father's child sexual abuse of a nearly 8 year old boy in 1970. 

Jake Elliot from @the_framew0rk (insta and FB) and me, Tanya Levin,  combed through our notes fresh out of court. And this is what we got. 

It's such a fascinating case that it truly is worth keeping up ...

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Jake Elliot from @the_framew0rk and Tanya from LH carry on with whatever sense can be made of the story so far in Week 1. The DPP is laying out an extensive and intricate case and neither of us know shorthand so we're doing our best with our notes. 

It's proving to be the highest theatre in the Downing Centre in Sydney for the trial of Brian Charles Houston, the former Global Senior Pastor of Hillsong for the singular c...

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Grace speaks openly about looking back on her years at Hillsong as a young woman who had invested so much and now is recovering from the losses and reflecting on the gains. 

She offers practical tips on coping with immediate triggers, running into old church associates in public and how to respond in the kindest way possible to YOURSELF. 

Grace is awesome and so is this final part of this super cool chat. 

It's such a helpful e...

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Jake Elliot from @the_framew0rk and Tanya Levin of @leaving.hillsong attended the trial of Brian Houston on a single count of Conceal a Serious Indictable Offence under Section 316 of the Crimes Act for the first 5 days at the Downing Centre in Sydney's CBD. 

We recorded notes as best we could, Jake on his iPad and me by hand. 

This is Part 1 of our note comparison of the events that unfolded over those 5 days. 

This ep...

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Grace and Tanya shooting more breeze with: 

- that prayer for B and B by Rob Ferguson

- facing the impact of the Hillsong volcano

- trauma at HS and the response.. 


Come chat!

Producer: Kimberly Robinson



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Grace and Tanya talk court. Part 1

- BCH stuff

-Updates from last week's court chat from our legal assistant, Nic

- Queen Natalie's response to Hillsong's attempt at a defence

- and the prayers of the desperate


Come chat!

Producer : Kimberly Robinson


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Why is Hillsong's Brian Houston going to court? 

What is this case about? Why do Australian lawyers wear wigs and who the heck is 'R'?  What's a Royal Commission? 

Councillor Nathan Zamprogno joins me, Tanya Levin, to discuss the court case that will start in Sydney's local court on December 2, 2022, 

We are not here to speculate or opine, merely to outline the processes that have taken place leading to this cou...

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How do you deal with the trauma a narcissist inflicts? 

How do you recover from abuse that you were taught was love? 

How do you stop blaming yourself for what you loved and believed in to be true? 

Whether you were in Hillsong, a regular cult, a domestic violence relationship, or the subject of any trauma, especially where your boundaries were violated and your good faith exploited, THIS POD is for YOU. 

Tiffany Wylder has a backg...

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November 13, 2022 55 min

10th grade Kat went to a play at a church that changed her life. Fearing the fires of hell that were threatened that night, she focussed on avoiding its clutches at the AoG church in Mildura, Victoria just on the banks of the river. 

Kat sacrificed everything she could and threw the rest into the fire, but it wasn't enough for God or for the church, and eventually, for Kat. 

Join us as we go to a small country town where once e...

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November 6, 2022 49 min

Narcissism. Narcissistic Personality Disorder. 

What is it? How can you spot it... and what can you do about it? 

In this fascinating discussion with James, our resident Mental Health Clinician with 30+ years experience in the field working in psychiatric fields and  facilities, we discuss what the medical model is regarding NPD and narcissistic behaviour. 

This is episode 2 of #casenotes which is #leavinghillsong 's #menta...

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Grace and I pick up where Part 1 left off and move into the realm of salacious discussion and juicy commentary on the likes of Brian H. Carl Lentz and what we think on all that. 

Grace is on fire so don't miss her ideas and thoughts as she brings back the freshest opinions from the inside out... 

Come chat with us about married and unmarried life... in leadership and the front rows... in Part 2 of this special chat. Let's t...

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Grace is back ! Our semi reg cohost joins me for a late night chat about deconstruction, adjusting to life in the outside world... marriage.. family.. and what the hell has she been told? 

Only out of Hillsong culture for 2 years, Grace shares her insights fresh from the hothouse and out in the sun!

We had a lot of fun with this and hope you will too. Come chat!\

Producer: Kimberly Robinson

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Lindsay Duncan is a faithful listener of the Leaving Hillsong pod and he has recently published his second book, Becoming Ben - From God to Gay.

He sat down with me to talk about writing this time, how he creates his fiction, and why oh why he put himself through it!

Lindsay is a psychologist with over 30 years' experience and he also shares his lived experience in the pentecostal movement including coming face to face with Fra...

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October 2, 2022 39 min

Dave started up as a youth pastor, but as he tell us, "everything great they said would happen DID happen... after I left.."

But it wasn't an easy path and Dave had to find his way out of a psychiatric maze of medication and diagnoses... and on the path to his own happiness along with his wife. 

In Part 2 we discuss Dave's regrets about the role he played in driving the Vision of Hillsong and the orders he followed ...

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September 25, 2022 28 min

How much of the damage done at Hillsong is the fault of the every day person? Of the leaders? Of the people up top? 

We start opening the dynamics of this power and how abusive systems perpetuate by talking with Dave who spent 13 years following his 9th grade conversion experience dedicated to making the world a better place for God with his youth group. 

Looking back though, he worries about the influence he had as he rose up in t...

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