Angie Kirkahm Goff: Words Program. Experience Teaches.

Talking with Angie Kirkham Goff. Angie's mind is brilliant and the learning and application she has done throughout her life is fascinating. It includes healing herself from chronic back pain that he had for years! As you can imagine this experience led her to open the door to ask more questions and she received answers.

Sharing her wisdom around programing and the programs that a lot of us carry through religion. Angie shares that gratitude is one of the frequencies that raises us up and causes more health, vitality, more connection and change our lens in how we see the world. This will help you to have a thankful thought and then drop it in your heart so that you then move through this place in your world. Create a habit of gratitude, become gratitude. G

Her story is one you will want to listen to as the insight she offers is beautiful! Coming from a place of compassion, Angie has led with her heart though her transition journey.

It's okay to ask the question, "who am I?" over and over again.

Angie shares that we have to be willing to let go of what we think we know, to awaken to the truth of what is within. 

Talking about how family traits come through the lines and we are all connected. 

Angie is a coach working with mindset reprogramming, a spiritual intuitive, teacher, facilitator and has studied under great thought leaders like Bob Proctor. You can contact her at: [e-mail]. 

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Episode Transcript

Unknown (00:03):
Welcome, welcome.
Welcome. I am so excited thatyou were here. My name is Amanda
Joy Loveland, and I am your hostfor this podcast leaving
religion and those reallybehind. This is for sure a
passion project and somethingthat's very close to my heart
and something I never thought Iwould be doing. We are sharing
our stories of why we leftreligion, what we learned
through it and how we movedthrough it with as much ease and

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grace as possible. This is aplace of community and gathering
and is not a place for bashing.
So I am excited to welcome youto the conversation and welcome
you to my show.
Well, hello, I'm so excited thatyou are you're here with me,

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Angie. Now as I say the energysmart, but it's Angie kirkenes.
We're Angie smart. Well. It'sAngie Kirkham smart, but now
it's Angie golf. And she's soawesome. Got married in
February. Yeah. Second time. Soyeah. gratulations Thank you.
It's a weird transition. I catchmyself sometimes not with the
right name. I know about thatthis morning. I'm like, I'm not

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sure what, to what name tointroduce you as because I know
how names are very meaningful toyou. And in fact, the first time
we ever met was we were talkingabout names and significance.
And anyway, I love that. And oneof the reasons why I you know,
as I was thinking, thinkingthrough who I wanted to first
have on the podcast, of course,you naturally came up because

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the conversations that we've hadare always fascinating. And I
remember being in Sedona youremember what I came up in the
kitchen, and you were citingscripture? And I'm like, that's
where I'm out. Yeah, Yeah, I do.
And I was pissy about it too,because I've definitely had to
make my peace with with, I havefriends in my life like you that
are not Mormon anymore, butstill find a lot of truth and

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scriptural texts. Yeah. And youwere you are one of those. So
yeah, I naturally wanted to haveyou have you on the podcast. So
thank you for coming on. And Iactually don't know your Mormon
story. So I'm really excited. Iknow. So were you born and
raised Mormon? Yep. I was bornand raised Mormon in Bountiful,
Utah. So you know, land ofplenty. And yeah, I had a lot of

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people joke with me. Becausegrowing up, I thought that
bountiful was like literallyheaven on earth. I loved it so
much. And my first husband kindof was like, you just wish we'd
live in bountiful. And I kind ofdid at first I'm grateful that I
didn't stick around and staythere my whole you know, life.

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But um, yeah, it's, it's where Igrew up. But I've lived all over
the country right after highschool, I got out of here and
went to lived in California fora while. And then I was a nanny
in Connecticut and came back,got married. And then about
eight, nine years later movedagain. And for his work, we kind
of lived all over the country.

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So I've had a lot ofexperiences, it was coming back
here in 2016, that really, I wasalready having a number of
things. But that was kind ofreally eye opening, coming back
into Utah. Oh, really afterliving away for a decade. So had
you been Mormon up into thatpoint, then? Yeah, um, however,

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that's not really my, my pivotalmoment that you know, but it was
a big pivotal moment. That iswhen I really just stopped going
to church. And my eyes were justreally wide open at that point.
Just feeling the energy in Utah,which, you know, I, I'm having

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lived all over, I'd lived inNorth Carolina, I lived in
Cincinnati, I'd lived inSeattle, I'd left a number of
places for 10 years that werevery had a lot of
colorful people and you know,experiences. And I mingled with
so many friends in all kinds ofdenominations and stuff. And

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then coming back here, in anutshell, I would say I could
just feel the judgment in theair, which was so weird. I mean,
I grew up here, I didn't evernotice it. And all of a sudden,
I'm not even looking for it. Icould just feel it. And and then
it kind of went from there. Butyeah, I had some other things

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that happened at impact 10 yearsearlier that had kind of started
my questioning anddo you care to share? Yeah,
yeah, yeah. So, um, when I firstgot married, and what I do now
today has everything to do withmy whole entire story, right?
But when I first got married in1998, I had debilitating back

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pain start and that it just gotworse and worse and worse and
withinfour months of getting married,
I did sited I need to get anannulment. And I did I have two
guys that wanted to marry me.
And so it created someconfusion, especially when
you're growing up in believingso much in right and wrong, like

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so I had to make it so black andwhite that there's one of these
is right, and one of these guysis wrong. And, and I it's
interesting to go back and evenread my journal at the time, I
was writing in my journal nearlyevery day all the way through
high school and after highschool and stuff and
and so I even had like a prosand cons list of these two guys

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that you know, that I caredabout. And
so I made the best choice Ithought possible and move
forward and about a couplemonths into the engagement. And
I decided, you know what, Ithink I'm going too fast. I
broke off the engagement. Andwith the intention of just

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seeing that other guy and seeinglike, okay, am I
marrying who I really truly dolove. And
that went ended up goingnowhere, because on the first
date.
Literally all hell broke loosewith that guy. And so, and it
just kind of caused me to pauseat that point. And I started

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going and praying doing all thethings that you know, you're
told, pray and read yourscriptures. I spent lots of time
praying and reading myscriptures and
nothing was really coming, but Ifelt like I was ruining both of
these guys's lives. So it waslike just make a decision. Yeah,
so I did and then went forwardwith the marriage and and then

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right after I got married, backpain started and then four
months into it decided to get anannulment. And with that I did
what probably a lot of Mormonsdo is went and talked to my
counseled with my Bishop aboutit, you know, and my Bishop was
like, Oh, no, no, you're justgetting cold feet. This is
normal. You know, I'm just, youknow, just muscle through it go

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home and pray and, and stuff.
And I did in the week latermaking another appointment with
him. Now I think I'm still atthe same conclusion. I think I
need to get an annulment. And Iwas told again, no, no, no,
like, you're just notunderstanding your feelings. And
so, went home, did some morepraying and week later, made
another appointment. Andliterally in a month I saw my

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Bishop at least once a week. Andthat last time when I called the
fourth time, he said, Well, I'llonly see you if you bring your
husband too. So I took myhusband knowing if I go with
him, I'm gonna have two men.
Yeah, telling me I'm don't knowmy feelings. And that again, I'm
going to have to listen to that.

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Yeah, and sure enough, and Iremember leaving that
appointment and like literally,like feeling defeated. Yeah, I
knew what I needed. I knew whatI wanted. And I felt defeated.
And I walked away going, wellsuck it up, Angie, and, you
know, just do this thing. You'vemarried him now, you know, just

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move on. And, and I, the lastthought was, I guess your
feelings don't matter, you know,to myself. So I did, I went on.
We, I don't know about a yearlater, we started a test start
trying to have kids and we didwe have four kids successfully.
And, um, but one of the momentsthat was really huge for me was

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living with this debilitatingback pain and
seeing a ton of doctorsthroughout the years, at least a
dozen and they didn't know whatwas wrong with me
in in 2000, so I was married in98. In 2006. I had been studying
the mind body soul connectionfor about a year really in depth

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and finally realized, Okay, Igotta apply everything I'm
learning. And I did, I sat downwhen I applied it.
I won't get into that there's alot of mental reframing and
visualizing andgratitude was involved and
compassion for my youngerversion of myself and
and then I woke up the nextmorning, and I was pain free.

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And, you know, I had like, allthose years, maybe at least
eight where I'd had dozens ormore blessings and prayed
nightly, that this pain would goaway. And when doctors couldn't
find out what was wrong with me,and then I was really at a loss
and all of a sudden, the painsgone. But I knew exactly what

(09:34):
I'd done that applied everythingI'd been learning about healing.
And it worked. And so of courseI my husband saw me wake up
without pain and he was like,What is going on? Like you're
not in pain and my and younormally are and I said yeah, I
think everything I did lastnight worked. This is crazy. And
I was in a state of disbeliefprobably for a few years

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thinking any day it could comeback. This pain could come back.
Yeah.
really done this. And as Italked to some of my siblings
that, you know, Oh, you didn'tdo that Angie is all the all the
blessings finally worked. And Iwas like, well, that's not the
God I believe in like, why woulda god withhold a blessing, you
know, that I want or need. SoI'd understood how to get myself

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into alignment and thoughts,feelings, actions, you know. And
I just call it inner alignmentthat I've been out of alignment.
I've been going against myselffor so many years. And I stayed
married for another seven yearsafter that, seven, eight years.
And so it wasn't so much themarriage, it was the belief. And

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but yet that belief was reallylimiting. And no, there's tons
of people that hear aboutlimiting beliefs. But this one
had everything to do with myreligion. I heard my mom be
unhappy in her marriage growingup, and that unhappiness, and as
I heard her literally say, Ishould have married this other
guy instilled in me the deepestfear, because growing up Mormon

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and knowing that when you getmarried, you're married for all
eternity. Yeah. And there's nogoing back, you know, in my, my
younger mind couldn't wrap myhead around, like, well, what if
I make the wrong choice? And soI've told people, yes, I do
actually use scripture.
Sometimes. I'm like, it's likeJobe said, The thing I feared
had come upon me. Yeah. Andthat's really what I was living
this deepest fear. And, and ithad turned into back pain,

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because the body is aninstrument of the mind and my
body. That's what Yeah, I wasgoing against myself. So it
resulted in illness and decay,and disease and what have you.
And sowhen I got myself right with
myself, the pain was gone. Youknow, and so for family, it is,
you know, and I still sat in ongoing, Hey, wait, wait, if this

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is really how it works, thenwe're all fooled, being told
that only men have the abilityto kill you, or they are the
only ones that hold the power orwhatever. And so, as I share my
story, I tell people, no, Iactually got to a point where I
recognized where personal powercomes from, and that we all have
that power. And it is innatelyin us from the moment we enter

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this reality, you know, and wecome here with it, so that we're
never apart from it. And yet, ifwe are taught not to believe
that we have it, then we'llbelieve just that and that power
will be somewhere outside ofourselves and so when I chose to
tap into it so that's reallywhere my story of leaving
religion ended up starting wasway back in 2006 even though I

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didn't officially completelystopped going but at that point,
you can guess that my mycomments in Sunday school class
and really society started toget really a little bit out
there for some people you werethe problem child of the ward
even not you know your childcomically. But I'm yeah, I would
be entertaining to sit in thatclass ago, what's Angie gonna

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ask today. And I did, I actuallyhad a lot of people come and
grab me after classes sometimesbe like, that was profound,
like, I've never thought of itthat way. Or I love that. Angie,
thank you for sharing that.
That's interesting. And so Ididn't, I didn't shy away, but
I'm not one to do that. I ampretty old and you know, person.

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So I just spoke what was on mymind, and really kind of, I love
to get people to really thinkoutside the box. So if I had
something come to mind, I wouldshare it and say it and and so
that was kind of how I existedfor almost the next 10 years.
And then before I moved backfrom Seattle, I had really dove

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deep starting about 2012 into,into how the mind works, the
science of thinking, science ofbeing and really started to
study metaphysical things. Andthe spiritual aspect of things
really fascinated me. And I wasstarting to feel way more
connected than ever before. Butit didn't come with, you know,

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doing all the things, checkingthe boxes, and all of that it
came with clearing my mind andmeditation and some of the
things that a lot of peoplethink are kind of out there. But
some of the things really backthen you were We were cautioned
not to write in the religion. Imean, I remember the first time

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I ever said the word energyaround my family, you would have
thought I said somethingsatanic. Yeah, that's what was
taught back then, is that youdon't do that. Because usually
this is what would happen.
People will start coming toanother place within themselves
that they hadn't accessed beforedoing all the Mormon things
right. And so they, the churchdidn't really want you to access

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that part. Where my experiencefrom my belief system. Yeah,
yeah. And that's kind of what Ihad experienced as well. And but
I went through my divorce in 20started in 2014.
took about a year and a half.
And so by 2015, I was completelyfully single. Well, in 2014, I
was two weeks separated but, andI took that year and a half

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while I was going throughdivorce to really just dive deep
into understanding myself andwho I am, why I'm here. And I
did not go about it intraditional religious ways. I
would literally just haveconversations with God, like
just talking sometimes to myceiling. And all of a sudden, I
started to get answers, like,profound answers, and quickly,

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and I started thinking, well,this is interesting. Like, I was
always taught to pray, and thenthe answers would come on now. I
it was almost like, I coulddescribe it. As I always had a
prayer in my heart, I always hada connection in my heart, in
other words, and so I would seeanswers in everything, you know,

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and we've heard that like, Oh,you can get an answer from a
magazine cover from a movie orfrom a, you know, and what I
started to realize was, it wasmy awareness was expanding. And
if you stay like a way to thinkabout as if stay in a box,
you're never going to see what'soutside of that box. Right? I
love Plato's cave. analogy,right? That if you live in a

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cave, then that's, that's gonnabe your whole the whole world.
But yet there's this beautifulworld outside there. And so when
I started to think outside thebox or question things, and I'd
never questioned before, it waslike, I got answers immediately.
And even down to what we weretalking about a little bit
earlier about quantumentanglement, like I started

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studying quantum entanglement.
And three months later, I met agentleman I'm quantum entangled
with, and that's another story.
But those, that's an example ofwhat would happen, like I would
question something, kind of godown that path a little bit, and
look for proof, because I am apretty analytical mind. So I
would like to prove situationsand theories and things. And all

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of a sudden, I'd be like, Oh,well, that's interesting. It's
happened, you know, in my life,and so I would see proof of
things almost immediately. But Iwas inquiring a lot, and I was
taking and so,um, that was kind of where
everything started was in 2006,when I held my back, and then
let leaving,actually going to church, I

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stopped, within a couple monthsof moving back here, it just
felt wrong, it just was not asafe place anymore, meaning I
never really felt unsafe. But,um, I started to see how they
just wanted everyone to conformto the same modality of thinking
the same, you know, operation ofliving your life, and, and I, I

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didn't, and so, my kids, I gavethem choices immediately, like,
if I'm not going to go, thenthey get to choose, and my boys
immediately stopped going, andtwo boys and two girls and, and
my girls kept going for a littlewhile for more the social aspect
of it. And within a coupleyears, both my girls had stopped

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and, and listen to my kids,they're very aware, and they're
all very unique and different tothey're not like just following
doing whatever, they've each gottheir own reasons why, you know,
and their own experiences. And Inever forced it on any of them.
But my ex husband, I think hestill considers himself active

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Mormon, but he doesn't, it'sreally interesting to watch him
go and not go whenever it suitshim. So, you know, I really
started to look at, there's somany
Mormons that say they believeone thing, and they're living
their life completely different.
And you're not even in alignmentwith your belief, like, so. Why

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are you doing that to yourself?
That's just the programming. Andthis is just what we do. And the
society, especially if you livein something, somewhere like
Utah, whereit takes a lot of courage, in my
experience to step out of asystem that has been ingrained
in most people for however longand it usually gets to a point
to where it feels so wrong, orso there's such a profound

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experience to where it's like,you can't not keep choosing in
or you just you can't, you can'tanymore, and you have that
courage and finally to step out,but I think that is more normal
lately, especially lately, withpeople choosing to do that way
where they're kind of Mormon.
Yeah. But are they you know, arethey really? And that's their

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choice. I mean, if they want to,Totally, yeah, had that
experience. That's great. Sowhen you're talking about how
you had, you would haveconversations with the ceiling
with God. How did that idea evencome in into your awareness just
because you were starting tokind of expand this idea of
something greater and so youwanted to kind of test it and
play with it or what was your Doyou remember? Yeah, kind of what

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I recallhappening when I when I had my
very first conversation justwith my ceiling or with God was
I was, um, it was a really roughtime in my marriage. And I was
uncovering a lot of like,actually really stupid little
lies, which I would venture tosay there's a lot of
relationships out there thataren't fully authentic, and so
little white lies exist. And soit wasn't like this gigantic

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thing. But I was like, Why wouldmy husband lie about that?
That's so stupid. Like, that isso dumb. And one morning, I
remember waking up and thinking,well, if my own reality in this
marriage has been warped by afew little white lies, and I
actually thought I was living adifferent reality than was
really going on, than what's outthere, outside of this marriage

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outside of my home, and mybelieving that has, you know,
that is totally shaded or jadedmy reality. And so I woke up one
morning thinking about that. AndI just started talking, it
literally sounded something likethis. I was like, Alright, God.
So if I'm fooled within mymarriage, then what am I filled

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with out there, I'm ready forthe truth. I want it all. And I
started to get reallypassionate, and I was like,
having a really passionateconversation. I was like,
Alright, God, give it to me,like I want, I don't want just
some of the truth. I want allthe truth. And I want to see it
so clearly. And I know that theway I would describe it is that

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in that moment, that was meopening myself up stepping
outside of the box, to say, I'mready to see what I haven't been
ready to see before. And I'mwilling to look at it and
question it and not just, youknow, close my eyes to it and
pretend like it doesn't exist.
And so, in that moment, I, Iwas, like I said, I was studying

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the science of thinking, and I'dactually hired one of the
greatest thought leaders in theworld. I had been intrigued with
thoughts, feelings, actions,since I'd held my back in 2006.
So here we were 878 years later,still intrigued with it. And
with that came, you know,studying some of these teachers

(22:14):
that in looking at theirbackground, well, what were they
Oh, well, this guy was 33rddegree Mason, Oh, this one. And
so I kind of went down that andwent, What is this about 33rd
degree masons, and it's not likeI, I know everything about
masonry. But I started tounderstand
and, and recognized that therewas certain powerful beings on

(22:38):
earth that had a lot of money orhad a lot of authority. And for
whatever reasons, you know, andI start going, huh, what's going
on? And I, and that's when Ireally started to see a lot more
patterns, like you and I havetalked about, and I saw
different dates, things that hadhappened, either within the
Mormon Church, or outside andwhen Okay, wait, this keeps

(22:58):
showing up? What's thesignificance of 911 was the
signet, you know, and so becauseI was just curious, I just kept
going down pathways and lookingat different things. And it
kept, you know, sparking moreinterest on different things.
So, there was a lot that Iopened myself up to, but none of
it did it ever scare me. Or Idon't, I'm not one to get super

(23:22):
angry. And I had, you know,people, I've had lots of my own
clients and different peoplesay, how can you leave religion
and not be angry at it? And I'mlike, well, because everything
serves its purpose, like, so Ifigure if I was in a place at a
certain time, that's what I wasready for. And when I was no
longer needing it, I graduated.
I know where I left. And so I'venever had a lot of ill feelings.

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I don't think that's wastedenergy, personally. Yeah. Yeah.
And I again, it's so it is, itis fascinating to watch
everybody in their uniquejourney with how they transition
out. And there's a lot of peoplethat do get angry and have a lot
of hate and, and, and one ofthem, and I was hesitant to
bring it up, but I'm going tobring it up. But one of them is
the programming that happens inthe Mormon religion. Yeah. And

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because you actually know a lotabout this. Do you care to speak
about that? A little? Yeah,yeah. Um, what I want to what I
share with individuals is thatonce I did understand, after
studyingthe mind and programming, I
realized, like my ownexperience, hearing my mom say,

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I should have married so and sogrowing up, I found myself
having that exact same innerdialogue. And so I went, Oh my
gosh, like, I was programmed,because our environment programs
us words program us, but if youcould understand experience
teaches, so words programexperience teaches and when I
started to apply that to thereligion I went, you know what,

(24:48):
there's so much in religion thatthey, they fear you from having
certain experiences. So why,when experiences the greatest
teacher, why am I toldDon't do this, don't do that.
Don't do this. Don't do that.
And it's just constant, youknow. And yet, there's plenty of
words, there's so many words,read your scriptures, read them
daily do over and over, and overand over. And I and I have

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actually been applyingrepetitive reading to my my own
life, you know, and realized howmuch I could learn from the
process of repetition. But it'sreally, when you break it down,
it's really actuallyprogramming. You learn from
having an experience. And, andso I started going, Well, you

(25:34):
know, why, why do we have toavoid certain experiences? And
then I would realize, you know,go to a conference, or you go to
a sacrament meeting, and, andthey even share that. I don't
know, I think it's a scripturesomewhere like the vain
repetition. Oh, yeah, no, andthere's the scripture that talks
about those that practice beingrepetition. And I went, wait a
minute, that's exactly what theydo. And they practice vain

(25:56):
repetition. It's a it's in thesacrament, every single week,
you know, how many peopleactually drop into their heart
in that moment? And, and enterthat space? Or are they thinking
about a million other things asthey sit there quietly, trying
to be quiet in a, you know, achapel, and they take bread and
water, and it's like, oh, thisis what we do every week, and

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they don't thinking about, youknow, and really entering the
Spirit, the Spirit of it, or thestate of being of that they're
just vainly doing these actsthat there's just over and over
and over again. And so that'skind of some of it that I
noticed, you know, and then it'sjust like the same lessons over

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and over, you cycle through allof the things every four years
and your Sunday school and, and,and then I was that person that
would kind of go outside thebox. And if I opened my mouth up
too much, it was like, let'schange the subject. Oh, okay.
Well, we're done with thatquestion. We're moving on. And
it's like, why is there souncomfortable talking about

(27:01):
anything and ever ideas with thesame topic? Yeah, I remember
teaching a gospel doctrinelesson. And I had, I had some
older people in my, in my class.
And I remember it was a lessonaround
the eye of the needle, thatcamel, like the camel can't
enter through, you know, thatwhole rate is the gate. Yes,

(27:22):
away. Yeah. And there was I wastelling how I had done research.
And it actually was a veryliteral literal, meaning that at
night, they would close the citywalls. I don't know why I'm
telling the story. But I guesswhen we tell the story, anyway.
And they, they would close thecity walls, and they would close
the main gates. And so they acamel couldn't enter through the

(27:43):
eye, the door that looked like akeyhole with if it had too much
baggage on it, it just literallycouldn't fit through it. And so
that was part of where thisscripture on some of those
things went through. So it ledinto an interesting conversation
of what does this really mean.
And I remember something I said,upset the hell out of one of the
older members, and we got intoit. And it actually kind of went

(28:06):
into the hole. Anyway, it's along story. But it was
entertaining for me to watch,because I was like that I was
that teacher that would try tobring up things to actually
expand. Like, what if there'ssomething else here instead of
what we've been thinking orbeing taught for so long? And
anyway, so I was similar to you,I'd actually got letters after I

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left religion of I can't go toSunday school anymore. It's so
boring. That's your lessons,because there is that part of us
that, you know, at the mostpart, we do want to be
stretched, and we want to thinkdifferently. And we want to step
out of the box. And that's why alot of us have chosen to step
out of religion. And you know,in your experience, where you're
talking about the programmingthat that you're seeing in

(28:48):
multiple facets, and obviouslyvery much in religion. Do you
feel like being able to see it,they're actually allowed? Like,
what were the gifts in that foryou? Did you feel like being
Mormon actually provided somereally great tools for you that
you then use for the rest ofyour life? You know, I kind of
look at it as well, I don't knowanything different. Right? I was

(29:11):
raised Mormon, I didn't knowanything different. I did learn
in my travels like that. Howmany people don't understand,
like when I first arrived to bea nanny at age 19 in
Connecticut, my employer pickedme up at the airport and on the
hour drive back to their house.

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She's asking me about thecovered wagons and the things I
like. And I said, I think you'reconfusing me with the Amish.
Like, we're not like,yeah, and she's like, Oh, that's
so interesting. You know, and wewe'd have plenty of
conversations. And of course, wehave the video conferencing back
then, but we had plenty ofconversations over the phone
that they should never ask aboutany of that. But I just realized

(29:54):
how little people know that orknew you know, and then
Living all over I had, I hadfriends that were Methodists,
friends that were Catholicfriends that were Buddhist
friends that were like, from allover, you can imagine living in
Seattle, I had, like all kindsof friends. And just realizing,

(30:15):
and seeing people's actions whenthey don't actually put off an
energy or put off a sense thatthey think you're different than
them. They just see you as ahuman, you know, and that is
really interesting. But yeah, Idon't know that. I just, that's
all I know. I only knew a Mormonbackground. And so I have no

(30:38):
idea what it would have beenlike not being, you know, not
having that as my background andhave I learned to up towards it.
Yeah. But the interesting partis, I do quote scriptures. I
quote from any book where I feellike there's been truth. Yeah.
Now here's what's funny. I neverquote from the book of Mormon.
Oh, really, ever. And there's afew

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scriptures in like DNC that I'veused over the years. And one is,
you know that there's a lawirrevocably decreed in heaven,
that when we obtain any blessingin this life, it's because we
have obeyed a law. Well, that'strue. When we go with the law,
we reap the results that wedesire. When we go against a

(31:23):
law, we don't get what wedesire. So that when resonates
with me, because it's justsaying, you know, you're
following the law, or you're notfollowing the law. And what is
that law, it's the law of love.
And that's all it is you lovecreation. But I quote from the
Bible, there's been a lot thathave come to my mind. And quite
frankly, this is not somethingthat could really even help

(31:44):
others understand. But I get somuch more out of anything that I
read in there, by way deeperunderstanding. And it literally
just comes to me and I know thatthat's just awareness since you
left Mormonism or Yeah, evenwhen you were in no sense, I
know that, um, you know, theysay that the first five books,
for instance, as a New Testamentwritten by Moses, that he wrote

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it in code, so that if he knewthat people's hands would get on
it, that they would try tochange things, but the codes are
there. And now doing what I dowith mindset reprogramming and
DNA reprogramming, that Iunderstand how certain codes get
lit up in us, just like mine,but that's a very good example,
hearing my mom say something, itlit up a code, which caused back

(32:27):
pain. And it was the same backpain, my mom had same back pain
my grandma had, well, it, itwould not have turned into back
pain. If I never had those codeslit up in me, you know, and
sound is everything in thebeginning was the Word, the verb
the sound, that's what it is,you know. And so we create from
sound and so by hearing certainwords, they can light up certain

(32:49):
remembrances in ourconsciousness. And so I've just
really use that a lot. And Idon't, yeah, so I don't know
what I would have been like notbeing raised Mormon and having
that background, but I didn't. Iwasn't raised in a hardcore, you
know, Mormon family. My myparents tried to have us go to

(33:13):
church every Sunday, we wereactive. We did not have family
home evening, we did not sayfamily prayers on regular basis.
And but did I yeah, I nailed itmy bedside. Even on my own, you
know, and, and all of thosethings I did. I tried my best to
follow the rules and everything.

(33:35):
Butthat's all I have for me. Yeah,
like to go off of? Yeah. So whenyou when you did finally make
that choice to step out, did youfeel like you went through any
grieving phases at all? Or didit because you had already
started unraveling what, youknow, 10 years earlier? Was it
10 years? Yeah, it's 2006. Soyou know what, that's that has

(33:56):
been an interesting topic,especially right now, a lot of
people are talking aboutawakening and things like that,
right. And sometimes anawakening can prompt a leaving
religion and I I've had friendsleave not just Mormonism, I've
had friends leave. Catholicism,like they've they're waking up
has been very similar to myfriends that wake up, you know,
that are Morin. And so I want topause for just a second, because

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some people may not understandwhat an awakening is, or waking
up is, do you mind just speakingto that for just a second, so
that we can put a little contextbehind that? Sure. It I think
that when when we wake up, westart to realize that, that
there's an illusion that we'vebeen living under, you know, and
that illusion can be all kindsof things like that's why I say

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my awakening or my leavingreligion at all started in 2006.
When I tapped into a personalpower that I truly believe
everyone has access to, right,but you have to believe it. And
so if you don't change thatbelief, and if you've always
believed it's in someone else'shands, even a doctor or
whatever,Then you are going to be right.

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And so you're going to have towait on that doctor to heal you
are on the priesthood holder tobless you. And awakening is just
realizing your infinite worthand your than this human body
and this system, the way that Idescribe it is we're all a God's
seed. And I don't care what youwhat you think of as a source,
you know, there's some somethingcreating something, right and

(35:24):
creating all of us. And so in myvernacular, I say, we are all
God's seed. So you are a literalseed, you have God's seed in you
have God power in you. But ifyou think it's outside of
yourself, you're gonna wait fora while till you till you
actually access it. And sothat's kind of my idea of
awakening is just realizing whoI really am. And that is, I am a

(35:47):
being of light and love. Andyeah, and then nobody can take
any of that from you. So unlessI give it away, and many give it
away, unconsciously, they'rejust giving away their power.
And thank you for sharing that.
I think some people don't know.
And so that's why it's like, Iwanted to pause for a minute and
just touch on that for a second.
But to continue your story, asfar as you know, he was at a

(36:09):
grieving process when youstepped out and right, so Yeah,
mine was there's some peoplethat have that awakening, and
it's just like, spontaneous,it's so quick. And it's like,
um, that all happens at once.
And that can feel reallyoverwhelming. And I know that
there's people I know many thathave had that kind of an
experience. And yet mine, Iwould explain it as being a
little bit slower, was probablyeasier to take in, you know,

(36:31):
because I did, but was it hardstill? Yeah, my back pain was it
was miserable. I was reallydebilitated for almost 10 years
in my 20s into my early 30s,some of the best years of your
life. AndI wouldn't trade it for
anything, because it is whathelped wake me up. But then. So
I had my my healing in 2006.

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Then I just started getting moreand more curious. I started
reading books that maybe Iwouldn't even remember my dad.
And he came and watched my kidsonce and I had an E book on my
nightstand called the spiritualman. And it's by an author named
watchman. Nee he was Christianat the time. And but this was a
big old 700 page book sittingthere. And I was I was

(37:18):
enthralled with it. It wasreally fascinating. And was one
of these first books that, youknow, you step out of the Mormon
Church Anyway, you you're notbuying all your books, that
desert book, like, you know,this one was gifted to me, and I
loved it. And I was reading it.
And I came back from that trip.
And my dad approached me and hesaid, so he was really

(37:38):
uncomfortable in this kind ofhow my dad operates. And he's
like, so there was a book onyour nightstand? And I said,
Yeah, spiritual man. Like, it'ssuch an awesome book. And, and
he goes, I'm really concerned,Angie, and I said, What are you
concerned about? And he's like,well, that book, I don't know
about it. And I said, What'sgreat, like, if you want to

(37:59):
borrow it, you can read it, youknow, and, and he sat, I kid you
not in my kitchen for the next11 hours, trying to convince me
that I was wrong in reading thatbook and trying to cite
scriptures and tell me and Isaid, Dad, I don't even
understand the scriptures theway that you do anymore. I said,
Everything you've just quoteddoes not that's not how I
understand that you're, you'regetting a completely different

(38:20):
take on it than I did. And,and I just finally said to my
dad, I said, perhaps, we believein the different God. And he was
like, Well, no, like, I, whatdid I do wrong? I raised you.
And I said, so this isn't reallyabout me, it's about you. And I
don't think he'd ever thoughtabout that. And he was the one
in tears. And he's like, and Ithink you're gonna go to hell.

(38:42):
And I said, that's interestingthat you say that I am filled
more with love than I ever havebefore. And I know what that
feeling is. And, you know, sohe, he was uncomfortable with
me, stepping outside readingsomething that was not, you
know, Mormon literature. And andthat just made me realize how

(39:03):
much and just think and ponderon how often I recall being
told, don't read this. Don'tread that don't look, you know,
don't look outside the box. Likeyou said, like, if you do, you
might discover something new andget more curious. And yet and be
led astray. Right. And yet,curiosity like, I am a very

(39:24):
curious being. And this, you'retalking about people that are
raised in a church that startedfrom a very curious 14 year old,
right? Really, we can all askthe same questions, and we can
all go down the same path. Andif it doesn't lead us to the
same place we're wrong. Right?
You know, so. So how is yourrelationship with your dad now?

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As he's Mormon, he's Yeah, mywhole family I'm I am that black
sheep. But yeah, mine was and myrelationship with my dad's fine.
I definitely have pulled awayfrom my family.
I've noticed it's sort of likemy days in Sunday school when I
would say things that would makepeople uncomfortable if I'm with
a family gathering, I usuallythink outside the box, because

(40:10):
that's how I think now I'm nottrying to test anyone, I'm not
trying to be difficult. I'm justbeing authentic. I'm not going
to pretend and have aconversation where, oh, let me
just join you in what you'rewilling to talk about. Like, if
I have a different thought, I'mgoing to say it and share it.
And I've recognized that itmakes my family really quiet,
meaning my siblings really quiteuncomfortable. But yet our

(40:33):
children recognize it that like,I left a family gathering last
Christmas. And I remember my 17year old son, we got in the car,
and he just took a deep breathand like, let out a sigh. And I
said, What's up and he goes, Oh,my goodness, we can stop talking
about the most petty, lamethings, and we can actually

(40:54):
finally be real. And I said, Oh,you you experienced it that way
too. He goes, Mom, you can onlytalk about a casserole recipe
for so long, you can only talkabout how you bought the wrong
size of shoes for your son for20 minutes. Like really? He
goes, like, Can we talk aboutthings that actually matter?
Yeah. And I said, Yeah, that'skind of an interesting thing.
They stay where it's safe.
Because if you get, you know, tooutside the box, we're going to

(41:15):
get really uncomfortable. Well,and that's what they know.
Right? I think that that is onething that most, and I'm sure
you've had this experience, too.
One of the biggest pain pointsis losing your community, and
the family aspect, and how tonavigate. And I think to
everybody, it's a uniqueexperience and what you choose
to do, I've learned I do keep mymouth shut. So my family

(41:38):
engagements, I'm not super closewith my brothers. I don't know
that I ever will be. Yeah, andI'm okay with that. You know,
I'll still show up, I'll stillinteract, I'll still do what
whatnot. But it again, everybodyto each their own. But you do
get to a point to where, for me,it's not worth it. Because it
does force them to question orit will be a trigger point. Or
it will be you know, if I have adifferent way of thinking about

(42:00):
something. Yeah. And I've justlearned to just gonna shut my
mouth. And that's okay. doesn'tmean they're right. And I'm
wrong. No, just means I'mchoosing to be there. But I'm
also choosing to be there on myterms. Yeah. Which means I'm not
going to get into anything. Andthat's great that they want to
talk about this. I don't agreewith that. And one,

(42:22):
one ounce of me, but all right,right. Yeah. And you know,
what's really interesting, onething that came up for me
recently, Amanda, is that ifpeople
test me or ask like, Well, youknow, your family's everything,
because, of course, that that'sreally ingrained in everyone,
especially in Mormonism, witheternal families, right?

(42:44):
families, everything? Well, ifthey got familiar with the
scriptures, and I don't rememberexactly which one this is, but I
know it's in one of the firstfour gospels in the New
Testament, it talks about how,according to Christ's teachings,
of course, Christ never wrote abook, I think that many people
would have tested him on, youknow, they would have challenged
what he said and questioned it.
So I think he just didn't writea book. But there's a scripture

(43:05):
that talks about how you, inorder to have a connection with
God,you have to be willing to give
up everything, including yourparents, your children, what are
you willing to give up for thatconnection with source? In other
words, another way to look at itin like the new age would be, if
you want a connection with thatdivine energy, when you are

(43:29):
really tapped in? And you getanswers quickly. What are you
willing to give up if you have ahard relationship? And it's,
it's reallya volatile, and every time that
you lean into that relationship,whether it be with a parent or a
child or a sibling, and it justleaves you frazzled?

(43:54):
Is that worth it? Right? To cutoff that connection, you know,
to source and have answers comequickly and be divinely guided?
And because I know what thatfeels like now? And what am I
willing to give up for that?
Yeah, I'd actually be willing togive up everything, because that
matters more to me thananything. And that's hard for a
lot of people. I love mychildren dearly. I love my

(44:17):
spouse I love like, I love myfamily of origin that I came
from. But if it's always goingto be difficult, and it's not
with my children, it's not withmy spouse, but with some of my
siblings, and most certainly, asyou know, and they can't let go
and just say and he's having anexperience that she wants to

(44:38):
have. I chose it you know, thatmutual respect, right? And that
every time I turn around, I'mgetting sent a conference talk
or you really should be readingthis or you should, like, stop
shooting me like I'm I'm happyI'm happy as can be. And my only
thing back to them my recourses.

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Look at myFruits, I have a very healthy
body. I have very healthyrelationships close to me. And
I'm successful, and I'm doingwhat I love, and you're happy,
and I'm happy. So by theirfruits, you shall know them.
Know what? Somebody who'sactually getting the results
that they desire. The strugglestops when you actually live

(45:20):
from your heart and you arealigned with who you are. And
you know, so Well, I know thatthere's that one. And I don't
know if this is just a, anunconscious belief or just, I
don't know what to I don'tbelieve that there's any
teachings around it. But thereis a belief that when people
step out of the Mormon religion,that they will be unhappy that

(45:40):
they are going to haveconsequences, trials,
tribulations, yada, yada yada.
For me, in my experience, when Iwould, I've been, you know, I
got divorced, left religion, andthen was married and divorced a
few more times, until I found myperson. And I've had some really
challenging experiences since Ileft religion and there was a

(46:01):
part of me, that was like, Oh,shit, they're there. They're
gonna think they're right.
Right? Yeah. And I had to makemy peace with it with you know,
let them think what they'regonna think I know that what I'm
doing is, you know, it's comingback home to myself, when you
start tapping into that sourceenergy that God, energy that is
within us, you're coming home toyourself that, yeah, I would
give up and I did give up prettymuch everything. Yeah. And

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there's something to that I wantto touch on with with the whole
family system, that boundariesare really important. And that's
something again, especially ifyou've been raised in Mormonism,
most people are not taughtboundaries ever. Right? I
wasn't. And it's, I had to getto a point in being in a family
text. We had this family textgroup, they would start talking

(46:44):
about religious stuff. And Ifinally I said, Hey, how about
you guys start another and mysisters now left? How about you
start another group that doesn'tinclude my sister and myself,
because we have no interest inthese topics anymore? You know,
and that feels a little ballsy.
But it's a boundary I'm setting.
And it's from a place of love ofhonoring who I am. And it's
like, Okay, you guys can dothat. But don't include us in

(47:05):
it. And I don't know if you'vehad that experience with your
family when they send you thesethings of Hey, no, thank you.
Right? Yeah, yeah, no, I do Ihave a sister that just went on
a month long, you know, churchhistory tour, and sending all of
the pictures and all of the, ina testimony of every place that
they went to, and how theycould, you know, feel the spirit
and everything. And, and for me,I don't doubt that people feel

(47:28):
the Spirit. The Spirit is love.
You know, it's what and a lot ofthings, right. But how many
people when we talked aboutprogramming earlier? Do they
understand that feelings areprogrammed as well. You have
programmed feelings, you haveprogrammed thoughts, and
thinking, and then there'sactual real feelings, you know,
and if you've been programmed toto cry at testimony meeting

(47:51):
every Sunday, then you need toreally ask like, Am I just
crying? Because everyone else iscrying? Or am I really feeling
and feeling something? And it'sa part again, it's personal
experience. So but you did ask,like, how?
How was leaving? And was itreally difficult and stuff?
Might wasn't that's what'sinteresting, because you brought

(48:14):
up community, I've thought a lotabout mine. Mine was is a very
unique way because of as movingaround as I did, and then
leaving getting divorced in2015. Moving back here in 2016,
just a year later, I reallyarrived here moved into a whole
new neighborhood around peoplebarely went to church for two
months, and then stopped going.
I hadn't really created acommunity yet. Yeah, you just I

(48:35):
wasn't Yeah, Dino dependent onany of my friends there? Or what
are they all gonna think? Ihonestly didn't care what anyone
thought it was more about, like,Am I happy? Yeah. Am I is this
feeling good to do this? And no,there's there was things that
felt off might have been off,you know, so my leaving was, um,
I would say, pretty much void ofa lot of that. And I immediately

(48:59):
had friends, I stopped wearingmy garments immediately. I know,
some people that, you know, forinstance, left religion a year
ago, and they're still weartheir garments. And, um, you
know, and those kinds of things,and I see that it can be
uncomfortable, especially whenyou've been surrounded by the
same people all the time. Iprobably the most uncomfortable

(49:21):
was my family, my siblings,because I knew that the moment I
start showing up in sleevelessshirts or shorter shorts or
something, they're going to, oh,what is Angie doing? You know,
and I'm gonna get the looks orthe they don't say anything, you
know? Exactly. And so that didhappen a little bit with my
family. But I finally just waslike, No, I'm and I never once

(49:42):
had the conversation. I knowsome people pull their families
aside and we'll tell them I'mleaving. I didn't because I
thought to myself, do I need todo that? I don't owe them
anything. This is my family.
They can choose to keep lovingme and see that I'm a good human
being andI have had a lot of miraculous
things. So mine has been alittle bit different than I

(50:03):
didn't experience a struggle.
I'm sure there's a there was alanding on my feet after getting
divorced and things like that.
But I didn't havethings that I felt like we're
struggles, I actually starthaving like really miraculous,
amazing, crazy, weird thingshappen in my life. And, and so

(50:24):
that actually was interesting towatch it from that point, and
have my siblings go, oh, howcome? These things are happening
for you? And you're not doingwhat's right. Like, yeah, you
got to ask yourself that, like,why is all this good stuff
happening in my life? You know,and I. So that was, that was a
little bit more of my story. SoI didn't have the community and

(50:45):
I didn't, yeah, you know, I hadgreat friends in Seattle, some
of my best friends ever. And Idid have some of them. Like
after I posted a few pictures onsocial media or something and
sleeveless shirts and stuff. Ihad some of my best friends call
me and kind of dance aroundtheir words for a minute. And
then finally, like, it was asmall talk. And then the

(51:08):
questions came, I noticed you'rewearing a sleeveless shirt.
Andy, is everything okay? I'mlike, yeah, everything's great.
Like, everything's Wonderful.
Well, I'm concerned about you.
And I don't think that there'smany people that use those
lines, but really think aboutwhat they're saying before that
in and of itself as programmajor program, I should check on

(51:31):
them, I'm really concerned isthe same thing I heard from my
dad. And it was like, right, youknow, it just never made any
sense to me. When, in some ways,because you know, what you do
know, I would imagine that thereis a level of compassion that
you've had for these people inyour life are under recognizing
that they're actually justresponding from programs that
they've had, and that they'rechoosing to continue to live

(51:53):
out. I would imagine it wouldbring a level of compassion as
these people are. And maybe I'mwrong. Actually. Yeah, I did. I
had a lot of compassion becauseI, I knew where they were. I've
been there. I've been the onemaybe even who had those
thoughts. Like, I'm concernedabout this person. Another one
that crossed my mind. Often Iheard and just brought new

(52:15):
levels of awareness to me washow often you hear?
Well, Mormons, because that'smy, my history, say, I've lost
my child, when somebody goesinactive. And it's like, you've
lost them. Where do you Where doyou think they went? And and Do

(52:35):
you realize how debilitating ofa belief that is? That's, that
is breaking you from the insideout. That's not a serving
belief, let go. Like you haven'tlost anyone. Our DNA ties us
together. And that was one of myown epiphanies was, you know,
you're taught you have eternalfamilies, and that you have to
go to a temple and you have tosell it there and everything.
And I thought, once I reallylearned and understood DNA and

(52:58):
understood who we are, and youknow, how our family lines carry
on, and that certain traits, andeverything has just passed on to
us. I went, it's part of myawakening, I went, Oh, my
goodness, we're all boundtogether. Yeah, we're all one.
And no one can actually justbreak that. So I don't have to

(53:19):
make promises in a building.
And, you know, and those kindsof things. And so there were all
the little pieces, that justepiphany and just put build on
them and, and allow myself tothink differently than what I
was raised to think about themand come to my own conclusion.
And that's what I believe isthat we have to be willing to
let go of everything we think weknow. So that we can actually

(53:40):
learn from within because nowthe knowledge is held inside of
ourselves anyway. So we willawaken to it as soon as we open
the door soon as we allowourselves to see things
differently. Right, in our ownway. Yeah, right. Yeah, that's
beautiful. I know we're gettinga little short on time. And
because you do work withclients, and you've gone through

(54:02):
your own experience, what wouldbe something that say, you know,
someone's listening right now.
That's like, this is all great.
And yeah, okay, I'm happy theprogramming piece, let's talk
about that for a minute. Whatwould you recommend somebody
could do as far as a self toolfor them to self resource with
deprogramming some of theseprograms that may be still
running? And that's partly whyit's challenging for them to

(54:24):
transition out. Yeah, I'm theone the very first thing that I
assist everyone in and I'm afirm believer of it is to start
with gratitude grant I mean,that can that might sound
religious to some people becauseyou hear about it in religion,
but when you really understandthe science behind it and

(54:44):
understand that gratitude is oneof the frequencies that raises
us up, in other words, you know,and and that causes more health,
more vitality, morehealthier relationships.
You know, but more connection.
And we really can just changethe lens that we view reality
through by practicing gratitude.

(55:07):
And if we start there, and justcreate a habit of gratitude,
where you realize that you arethoughts, feelings and actions,
so if I can have a thankfulthought, Well, I better after
that, drop it into my heartbecause most people stop right
there, they just think gratefulthoughts, you know, but if you
can think of thankful thought,drop it into your heart and feel

(55:27):
grateful or feel appreciationfor someone and then act on it.
Now I'm going to do some smallact, you know, and whether you
want to call it paying itforward or you know, certain
kinds simple deed. And when youwhen you take it through your
whole being, it changes yourstate of being. And that one
helped me a lot I worked oncreating habit of gratitude tell

(55:51):
for months and months a month.
So I was literally driving downthe road being grateful for
mailboxes and gutters and like,and but it was really I'd become
it. I'm not making that up. Iwould just, I would be in tears.
I was like, as you awaken tolike your emotions, really
emotions turn on. Yeah. And soanyway, I started there. And
then after that, like, you cango anywhere, but really start to

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understand who you are. And it'sokay to ask that question, Who
am I over and over and overagain, and you'll be guided,
I've definitely been guided tolearn more and more about who I
am, where it came from, who Icame from, and, and it didn't
come all at once. It's It's beenyears, and I get little pieces
all the time. New epiphany isnew. awarenesses I've had

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dreams, I've had visions, youknow, and that sounds funny,
because we're here talking aboutit to me, you know? Yeah, but
when you first I think sometimeswhen you first leave religion,
you think, well, they talk aboutthat in religion, but Do people
really have those, you know,and, and I didn't until I left.
And you know, I did have someexperiences here and there. But

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now they're like regularoccurrences. And, and that's why
I just feel like it's whenyou're really tuned in tapped
in, turned on and you know. So Iwould say I would suggest anyone
a real gentle start is to justpractice gratitude. And even as
you're leaving, because youthink you're leaving so much
behind. Yeah, and yet, begrateful for what is ahead of

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you be grateful for what isright there in front of your
eyes, you know, and be presentand grateful for what you did
experience because there is alot of gratitude that you can
give for the experience that youdid have, even though if you're
choosing out of something,there's still opportunity to
give gratitude and see, see thegifts and what was and now where

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you're going. least in myexperience. I don't know if you
agree with that or not. Oh, 100%Yeah, I have no ill feelings.
Um, but I will say that I seethrough the illusion, you know,
and the one thing thatI, I believe is a travesty, if I
were to say, Ingle that bold isthat in pretty much every big

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box religion is that they theyteach women that they're not,
you know, they're not aspriesthood holders, or as
powerful as men. And yet it is ayin and a yang, there is a
divine masculine, divinefeminine balance. That is what
we're seeking, even withinourselves. And so you had Christ

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and Mary Magdalene that weretogether when he healed? Yeah.
And she's left out of theequation. Yeah, yeah. No, yeah.
Yeah. And, yeah, so that that'skind of my take on it is that
without that balance, and eventhe gratitude I spoke of
gratitude balances your rightand left hemispheres, which is
balancing your masculine andyour feminine, it's balancing

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you. And when you're morebalanced, you actually end up
being surrounded by individuals,you'll come into contact with a
partner that's more balanced,you know. And so when you start
to see that, it's, it'sbeautiful, yeah, in our lives,
and in our relationships andmoving forward. And so it can be
that simple. And that's what Iwould just leave it at that and

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with our shortness of time, butgratitude is one of the greatest
things that we can do forourselves. Well, thank you. And
then if someone wanted to,because I know you do one on one
sessions, and you're brilliant,if someone wanted to get in
touch with you what would be thebest way? And probably right now
I'm having an entire websiterevamped. So probably my email
and it's Angela Don, exactly howit sounds i n g e la da, w n at

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enlightened new.com and that'sAI n Li gh t e n y o u. And
yeah, I work with mindset,reprogramming lifestyle, you
know, life coach and spiritualintuitive and
so anyway, I can help with allkinds of different things and

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There is a lot of people likeyou've come across that,
especially in this neck of thewoods where we live, that are
considering leaving or in themiddle of leaving religion. And
I think it's just going toincrease because that part of
that spiritual awakening is.
Yeah, yeah, a big part of it,for sure. And I'll make sure I

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put your email in the shownotes. So if you're trying to
get ahold of her, I'll put it inthe show notes. Look for it
there. Thank you. Thank you somuch. In fact, I'm sitting here,
I'm like, God, man, you and Ican have some interesting
conversations. Maybe we'll do asecond. Yeah. Because we could
talk about all sorts of things.
But yeah, I appreciate you.
Being here. I am so thrilled forwhat you're doing. This is so

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needed, and there's so manypeople with a lot of questions.
And I am a kind of a bookwormand a nerd, and I've read 1000s
of books and, and I find a lotof answers as I put pieces
together. But there's a lot ofpeople out there that aren't
like that. And so then they justkind of flounder and they're
looking for questions, you know,or people don't know where to
go. Yeah, yeah, this is gonna bea great tool. Yeah. Awesome.

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Well, thank you so much. Iappreciate you. Yeah.
Thank you for joining us today.
Man. Each time I have one ofthese interviews and the stories
that are shared, they are alwaysso beautiful and so touchy. I
hope that something resonatedwith you. Maybe it was an answer
to something that you'reseeking. You can find me on my

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website at Amanda loveland.comfor more information or more
conversation there or on socialmedia at Amanda. Loveland have
such a beautiful day andremember, you are not alone.