October 5, 2022 • 35 mins
Leaving religion is not an easy thing to do. In fact it's quite difficult as you now get to unwind all the beliefs you have carried AND you move into a place where you are judging yourself, questioning your beliefs, wondering if you made a mistake and so much more.
What do you do? Will it ever get better?
Join me as we dive into some of the hard truths about leaving religion. I share some tools that will help you along the way.
Later in this episode I take you in a guided meditation that will assist you greatly.
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Unknown (00:02):
Welcome, welcome.
Welcome to my podcast leavingreligion a guide. I have been
sitting with a lot of pieceslately. And I noticed that I
have a little bit of a patternof starting a podcast and doing
it about a year and then feelinga little burnt out. So I've been
taking a little bit of a breakwith this podcast and kind of
reevaluating, what do I want todo. And as I've been sitting
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with that, I really, really wantto continue doing this podcast
and dropping episodes weekly.
And with that, I'm lining upsome really amazing guests, I've
shortened the title to leavingreligion a guide, as there's a
lot of different topics that getto be spoken to, and not just
stories of leaving religion. Butreally the stories of then what
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next? Where do I go next. Andthis episode is me. And I wanted
to just with me, I have somereally beautiful interviews
lined up of talking aboutdifferent aspects with spiritual
pitfalls that happen and talkingabout shame, talking about some
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different pieces, that I havesome really beautiful guests
that are going to come on tojust share some stories and
experiences and learning thatthey they have had. But in this
episode, you know, as I says,we're all out there doing our
thing, and creating and growingand asking to really experience
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more and more in life reallyfully so that we can experience
more of who we are. I have beensitting with some really deep
pieces of what is it that Ireally, really want to create,
and what do I want to hone inon. And that's partly why I was
thinking about this podcast andwhat I do in general, for
business and for a living. And Ifeel like the things that I do
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and what I what I create isreally helping people come to a
stronger and better relationshipwith themselves. So having and
cultivating that in arelationship to where you really
have more sovereignty overyourself, you have that self
trust, and leaving religion andgoing on this spiritual journey
is one of those pieces thatreally, really pops those places
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within us of really starting toask those questions. We move
from this place of followingsomeone else following these
kinds of steps, if you will,with what to do next. And really
being getting kind of busy withthe what to do, and, and who's
telling me what to do and how todo these things. And, and
embedded within religion aredifferent tools, right? If you
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are struggling and really havingan existential crisis in
Mormonism, you usually go to thetemple, you pray more you read
more scriptures, you you kind ofstart doing a little bit more of
that self reflecting, butthere's these tools, these
avenues that you get to utilizewhen you're in those places. And
so the deeper question is, andwhere do you go when you've left
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religion. And I, you know, thisis partly why I do this podcast,
partly why I've written thisbook of we, we leave, and then
one, I had this reallybeautiful, you know, experience
and painful experience, butbeautiful because I know that
I'm listening to my salon, Mysoul is saying this isn't for me
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anymore. And now I'm steppingout. And now where do I go. And
there, there's a hard truth inthis, my friends,
when we choose out of aconstruct and out of a religious
construct, where there has beena lot of preaching, as you know,
kind of the pedestal kind ofplaying. And we have been
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responding to those things thatwe're told we should you know,
what we should do, what, how weshould live our lives, and all
these different dynamics. Andthen we choose out of this, this
place in life, we then move intoa place that actually can feel
quite hard. And those of youthat are listening or watching
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this on you to this on YouTube.
If you're listening or watchingthis, you've already you're
already experiencing this, youyou are going through those
places that you're awakeningmore and more into yourself and
kind of those places of I nowhave choice, I now get to create
the life that I want. And thatcan be quite scary. And today
with a client of mine who'smoving through some deep, deep
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pieces around religion. We weretalking a little bit about this
and one of the pieces that shewas considering and I have had
other people that have said thesimilar piece similar things is
if I'm stepping out thisconstruct of what God has been
told to me that he is and I'mexploring this relationship, is
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it possible that I'm also a God?
And the truth is yes, in someform, at least in my belief, and
you can get you get to choosewhat your belief system is. But
outside of all of that, we knowthat when we have experiences in
our lives, that somehow there'ssomething about us that has
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attracted it, we know that weare in constant creation. So
whether you want to say that's agodlike attribute that we have,
or just being a human andexisting, we are constantly
creating our realitiesconstantly. And when we now no
longer have someone to kind ofturn to or blame or say, hey,
now what what do I do? It putsall that responsibility on us.
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And that can be overwhelming. Itcan be really overwhelming. And
so what now? What do you do nowwith that piece, there's the the
overwhelmingness of Holy shit,if I'm creating everything, then
everything that I've done up tothis point, I've actually called
in, I've created I've made achoice. And I went down those
experiences. And if you can'tfind the meaning, or the gifts
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are the reasons why you did it,it can feel really painful. And
it is painful, even when you dounderstand what it is that you
gained from these differentexperiences. Because that is
part of being human that is partof this human existence, of just
feeling human, exploring theemotions, feeling the body
feeling all the somatics that weget to experience. And then
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comes the beautiful Gift ofChoice. Ironically, the Mormon
church talks about this a lot,right? We we chose into physical
bodies, because we wanted tohave free agency. And yet,
religion takes away a lot ofthat free agency. If you make
certain choices, then you'rethere's consequences for it
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within within religiousconstructs. And. And as society,
I mean, if we make a choice thatharms another, there's going to
be some sort of a consequence,that's just the natural law of
what we've created. But withinreligion, especially when
someone chooses to go againstwhat the norms are that have
been placed, then it's usuallysomehow shunned. It's somehow
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judged. And it's kind of anirony. And so when you step out
of religion, and now the god isshifting, now you're recognizing
that holy cow, I actually havemore sovereignty and more
ability for choice than I'veever had. It can be quite
exhilarating, and can be quitescary. So this is why I wanted
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to speak to this, it's that hardtruth, in the reality that it is
not easy to leave. It's not easyto leave, and it's not easy to
move down this path. And yet,your soul is asking for it. Your
soul is asking for a differentexperience in this life. Why?
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That is a great question. Iwould get really clear and and
still with yourself of what isit that you're asking to
experience? What parts of you?
Or are you asking to really growand cultivate within.
What I have found to be true formyself and so many others is
that there is an awareness andknowing and a stronger spiritual
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connection that I have withmyself. After leaving religion
than I did when I was inreligion, and religion was a
stepping stone, it was a placeto really start tapping into
those places within me. But itwas, you know, like the
elementary school that has we'vetalked about this in different
episodes in the past. And soit's been a gift. And you know,
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if you listen to my lastepisode, I talked, I talked
about how Christianity is on thetriangle. And it's no wonder
then that when we step out ofChristianity, Mormonism,
whatever religion that wasembedded on the triangle that we
still stay in the triangle,because, ironically, the
triangle feels safe. So then youmove out of these constructs of
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having, you know, you wereinside the religion, now you're
stepping out, and now you startblaming the church, you start
doing all these things, and youstill live in the triangle.
Because again, that's yoursafety mechanism. And when we
move from places that have feltsafe, that have felt
comfortable, even if it even ifyou didn't like it, you still
knew it, it was still safe, andwe move into these places of
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unknown, the unknown. Ourunconscious mind, our
subconscious mind is like holyshit, we've never been here,
we're going to die. This doesn'tfeel safe. And all sorts of our
belief systems come up, right?
Our limiting beliefs. And what'sreally interesting about this is
if you've listened to otherepisodes of mine, you know, I
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talk a lot about thesubconscious mind. The
subconscious mind forms ourbeliefs, especially from the
ages of zero to nine, that iswhen we form the beliefs of how
we operate in the world. So mostof our wounding most of our
beliefs are our child healingpieces, or our The things that
happened to us when we werethree, or five, or seven, or
eight, and when, and these areall unconscious beliefs. So I
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had this illustrated once to melike this. And I think it's a
really beautiful way to, toillustrate this. If you can
imagine a boat, there's a boatthat's going along in your
conscious mind is at the frontof the boat charting the way.
All right, this is the way thatwe're going to go. And you have
all the people behind that, thatare steering the boat that are
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paddling. And that's theunconscious mind. And you've
been going a certain way, forhowever long and this has felt
safe, the unconscious mind isonboard with the car, the
unconscious and the consciousmind are on board with each
other. And then the consciousmind has a different kind of
like, wait a minute, this, Idon't know, if I like where
we're going, this doesn't feeltrue anymore, and then start to
go to chart a new course, theunconscious mind starts to freak
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out. Because this was known, weknew where we were going, we
knew this was safe. And nowyou're wanting us to go over
here over here is unknown. So ittakes a minute to get the
unconscious mind onboard withthe conscious mind, here's the
beauty. When you change thecourse, the young, you start to
see all the pieces that you'recarrying in the unconscious mind
that have actually been drivingthe ship. Ironically, you gotta
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get to start seeing all theselimiting beliefs, all these
pieces about yourself that arecoming up, do I believe I get to
be punished, I'm punishedbecause I am leaving the
religion of my youth. I'mleaving the religion, my family
system, whatever it is, I'vewatched all these other people
that have left and had hardlives and believed when I was in
that? Well, of course, that'swhat happens when you leave the
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church because it's a wrongchoice. So is there a part of me
that actually holds that samebelief even after I've left even
though I know that this is theway that I'm supposed to go? Do
I have a belief that now I getto punish myself? Now I'm not
worthy of actually having abeautiful life, because I'm
stepping outside of the societalnorms, I'm stepping out of the
tribal system. You will have allsorts of limiting beliefs that
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pop all sorts of shame, allsorts of judgment that comes up.
And the question is, is can youget to a point to where you can
see them, recognize them asactually having nothing to do
with you. But having to do withthese, this subconscious mind is
actually coming up to be seen,be grateful for it shower, like
a gift. This is a practice thisisn't easy. But treat it like a
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gift of thank you for showing methis thing that I didn't know
that I believed or that I held.
Can I love it almost like achild aspect of myself asking to
be seen unconditionally loved,but not attached to it, meaning
anything about me. And insteadjust acknowledging it, and then
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telling the unconscious mind,it's okay. We're safe.
We're gonna go this way. Andagain, this is a continual
practice. Joe Dispenza. This isthe neural pathways that we're
talking about when when we havethese neural pathways in our
brain that have formed a certainbelief in a certain we bought
into a certain program for along time, it takes a little bit
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to unwind those programs, ittakes more than just a little
bit to unwind, especially if youwere born and raised within a
religion. It takes some time tounwind those programs those
patterns. So can you treatyourself like you would a child
aspect of you that had been bornand raised and bred into this
religion? That you're now sayingno, thank you any more? Can you
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still hold that part of you andsay I love you. I see you I know
this is hard, and it's going totake some time to unwind it.
Can you show up in unconditionallove? Do you know what
unconditional love looks like?
Unconditional Love means youlove all aspects of you that are
showing up no matter what.
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You may not entertain them andyou may not let them drive the
ship because they're throwing atantrum for a minute. But you
can still see them like youwould a toddler that throwing a
tantrum because they didn't getsomething that they wanted. With
patients with love, and waitingfor it to pass, you know that it
only takes seven seconds for anemotion to move through. So when
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different events in your lifehappen to where it triggers an
emotion can you breathe intothat emotion? Can you see the
thought that actually startedthe the motion? See it recognize
it? Thank you for showing up soyou can see this belief that
you've been holding that youdidn't know is there. I see. You
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know, I don't believe that'sactually not true. I do believe
I'm worthy of having a beautifullife. Why am I judging myself
right now? I don't want to dothat. Is this not even true?
Loving it, seeing it, honoringit, letting emotion move through
and then moving on. Now thereare some deeper emotions
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especially and beliefs.
Especially within, when youyou're leaving out of a
construct. With any religionthat you've been in a long time,
it takes some time and patience.
And sometimes you do needassistance and facilitators to
assist you in unwinding andunhooking these pieces. But if
you're in a place right now, inyour life, where emotions are
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high, where you are feelingreally uncomfortable, where you
are feeling like, what is thepoint? Does this get any easier?
The paradox in this, and I justposted a real on my Instagram
about this this morning. Theparadox in this piece is the
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place that you have been thatfelt safe, you will never feel
again. So oftentimes, we try togo seek for that peace, that,
that place of home of knowing ofwhatever it is of what we've
known before to revert to showus that, okay, everything's
gonna be okay. And that doesn'texist anymore. Because now
you're choosing a different wayof being, you're bursting out of
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those places that you weren'tcomfortable with. And so it's a
leaning into that discomfortbreathing into it, letting it
settle, letting it be seen, beknown, yourself telling, are you
telling yourself thateverything's going to be okay,
because you know what, I'vealways been okay. And then
asking yourself, what is thedifferent choice? What are the
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choices? What do I want in mylife and moving forward, and can
I recognize and accept that Ican't get what I'm wanting to go
with the things that I was. Sothere's places of safety of
comfort of peace, that you werewhen you were doing this thing
before, won't come over hereinto the things that you're
wanting to get. You're asking togrow in ways that you've never
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grown before. So your sense ofsafety is going to take some
time to come to your sense ofpeace of whatever that gets to
look like now is going to feeldifferent. Your inner knowing is
coming in, in an online in a waythat you've never experienced
before. Your radars, your innerdilemmas of can I even trust
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myself, is going off probablylike wildfire, especially if you
just left and frankly, comes inlayers. It comes in layers, all
of our healing comes in layers.
So even if you've left and it'sbeen a year or two years, or six
months or five years, it comesin layers if you've listened to
my story with when I leftreligion, and actually when this
podcast came through, when theinspiration for this podcast
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came through, which wassomething that I hadn't even
thought about. You will knowthat it came in with a knowing
that I couldn't do it with anykind of animosity. This podcast
my book, I couldn't do it with aplace of judgment or attacking.
And while at that place in mylife, I felt a lot of peace
around why I left my choice ofleft I like I didn't have
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animosity didn't have thatattacking energy with me. I
could love people that werestill in it, I could understand
why they were choosing what theywere choosing because I once was
there. But when that questioncame in, I had to I got to sit
with that for a minute. Can I dothis without any kind of
attacking because anything thatwe choose into and then choose
out of anything, relationships,constructs, religion, whatever
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it is a belief system of anykind, even modalities, we can
choose when we choose out of it.
Because we get more informationand we grow inside of it, we can
look back and go, Oh, this waswrong, this is wrong, this is
wrong, this is wrong. And thereare fundamentally things that
are wrong.
So when I got had that come in,and I sat with it, man is huge
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piece around the patriarchy camein for me that I got to really
sit with and heal and I wasangry. And I didn't even know
that existed. So how gratefulwas I to actually have this
inspiration, have this knowingof doing this podcast doing
writing this book, and thenhaving it well, knowing that I
couldn't do it with any kind ofanimosity and then checking and
asking myself, is there anythingin here, this still gets to look
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at that I get to look at andthen I get to heal? And the
answer was yes. And I had noidea it was there. And so the
beautiful thing about life andabout this path that you're now
stepping into that you'rechoosing into that's more of a
spiritual path and a a sovereignpath of what do I believe to be
true? And how do I want tooperate my life and and having
full choice and knowing that youare creating your reality is
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that it's constantly this pathof self refinement, that
personal alchemy of being ableto take something that has
happened to us and taking inthose places and allowing for it
to come in seeing why we createdit seeing those places within us
of of why what was my beliefthat helped co create this
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experience, even if it wasreally painful? What was my
belief in it in the first placesitting in the burning of it?
Finding the gifts and burningout that belief. So it's no
longer attracting anythinganymore. And then moving through
creating that alchemical fire sothat you now have this nugget of
gold of wisdom within you. So ifyou're in a place where you are
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feeling stuck, you have movedout of religion, it's harder
than you thought it would be,maybe it's better to stay in.
Trust me, all of us have hadthose thoughts that, you know,
at some point in time in ourtransition out of gosh, it was
much easier to stay in andlisten to somebody else's truth.
There's a lot of places where itwas easier except for that inner
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soul guidance, it's saying getout, get out. The irony that I
have been experiencing andseeing more acutely is religion
and other constructs actuallyseparates us from our soul. And
so it's this beautiful gift whenour soul that we have been
somewhat separate, like we'vehad taste of it, we know it. But
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we've only known it in a way ofwhat we were told it should look
like feel like sound like tasteslike, for the most part, this
isn't always the 100% true foreverybody. And so when we do
have our soul that starts kindof knocking at the door of Hey,
buddy, this has been great. Butthere's something more there's
something more for you. Then youstart having more of this
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awakening that people talkabout, and coming more home to
the self of like, wow, what do Ireally want in my life, and then
it becomes more this place ifyou're willing to look at it. Of
where can I continue movingforward, and movement is the
key. We are not meant to bestagnant beings. In fact, if you
if you do not move, if you don'tmove anything, you know, your
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physical body, if you don't moveyour physical body, what
happens? Right, it has bedsores,it starts becoming dormant, it
starts literally dying. Our bodyneeds movements, so does our
soul. Our soul needs movement,our mind needs movement. If you
have nothing to focus on andnothing of like what am I
creating, then you will start tohave your vibration your
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frequency start to lower. Andright now we're at a time in our
life and in the earth wherewe're being shown deeper core
wounds and beliefs that we'vebeen holding, that are difficult
to look at and can create somedepression, some anxiety, some
restlessness, some some apathy,really, and feeling what is the
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point. And the point is thatthis is the point we're here to
see and learn and move throughthose parts of us that we've
been holding that have beenholding us back that have been
limiting us that have beencreating the stories that that
we have been living. And themore we become conscious of what
we're creating, then we becomethese beautiful co creators,
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with God with source with eachother. Because we're a lot more
aware of what we're doing. Idon't know about you, but to
have more awareness and moresovereignty about the life that
I want to create, even though itmeans that I'm 100% responsible
for the life that I'm creatingis quite empowering, even in the
fearful moments, even in thescary moments of like, oh crap,
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am I really ready to breakthrough this next thing. And if
again, you're feelinguncomfortable, it's okay. It is
completely normal to feeluncomfortable to not feel safe.
When we leave religion, that isa very normal thing. So I invite
you to breathe into it, tobreathe into those spaces. And
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he's actually filling to guideyou through a little bit of a
guided meditation. So if you'redriving, don't close your eyes.
But if you're in a space towhere you can just get still for
a minute. Close your eyes. Allowfor your mind, to start to slow
down the thoughts and justlisten to my voice. Allow for
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your breathing, to start toslow. getting deeper with each
breath and I would invite you inthis next breath to breathe it
into those places within youthat feel pain that feel
discomfort, the places that mayhave vulnerable energy
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and those places that feelafraid breathe into those
spaces. And imagine those placeswithin you that are carrying any
of those emotions those energiesallow it to have a voice maybe
it wasn't age, how old would itbe? Is there emotions here that
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are asking to be expressedwitnessed and felt? If so, can
you feel them? Can you see them?
Can you allow them to be setseen allowing it to bubble up
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moving it in and out through thebreath. Our breath is one of the
most beautiful tools that we canuse to move energy to move
emotionswith this emotion asked to see
if there's a belief underneaththis. Is there a thought that's
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been creating this emotion?
Allow for your unconscious mindto show you that thought or that
belief now? And if it came up, Iinvite you to write it down if
you can. It was the belief underthe vulnerability under the
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fearful places that those placesthat feel scared angry hurts,
stagnant. What is that belief?
What is that pot? Writing itdown or imagining it in front of
you that thought allow it to befully embodied and encircled in
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love. Can you see that thought?
like you would a child who'sjust fearful that may have an
irrational thought?
Can you see it? Can you witnessit? And can you tell it
everything is going to be okayyou are okay? It's going to be
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okay. And breathe even deeper. Adeeper into this awareness. This
place of charting an unknownpath not yet knowing what lay
beyond the horizon. But knowingthat that is where your soul is
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asking to go reminding yourselfand maybe that child aspect of
you that inner wounded place Ienter limiting belief reminding
yourself that I see you thankyou. And we're going to be okay
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if you can't, I invite you toplace your hands in front of
you. Almost like a cup, a bowlif you will. And allow for
yourself to have this beautifulgolden light that's coming down
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from the heavens from the sun.
Allow for yourself to receivethis golden nectar. See it
pouring into your hands. And asit pours into your hands, I want
you to notice the feeling oflove a pure light of your
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connection coming into thehands. And as this golden nectar
comes in, allow for your body,your cells, your tissues to
actually absorb this light witheach breath, breathing and even
deeper into the cells. And nowseeing this light coating the
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head moving over this, the hairinto the neural pathways and
down through the nervous systemallow for this to coat the nerve
endings coding the neuralpathways soothing all your axial
fibers and moving through thecells, the tissues, the muscles,
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the bones and with that comingin is this unconditional love in
this new belief that I am okay.
You are okay. And everything'sgoing to be okay
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in this space notice if there'sany angels any guides that have
come in just notice theirpresence. Notice that there are
unseen forces that are aroundyou always. And bring your
awareness in to those in yourlife that actually have shown up
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as unseen angels. The ones thatallow you just a little place of
comfort of being okay with whoyou are today. See those people
come into your view now. And ifyou can give gratitude for them
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for yourself, for these unseenguides that are around you. And
this golden light that you havein your hands, can you give some
of that to these people thathave shown up in your life that
have shown you a little mercy, alittle extra love when you need
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it. And now, I invite you to seethose people in your life that
have been difficult, that havemade this journey out of
religion a little harder. Iinvite you to see one person,
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that's the hardest coming intoyour view now. And I invite you
to see the fear that they'reholding with you leaving, see
the programs that are runningwithin them, that they have been
taught. See their insecuritiesof what it means if someone they
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love leaves.
And want you just to noticedoing your best without anger,
just to notice. See their fears,their insecurities, their
wounds. And if you can, I inviteyou to give a little bit of this
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light that was in your hands tothem as well.
offering them just a little bitof kindness today, a little love
a little grace. Knowing thatnone of us are perfect, that we
are all doing the best that wecan with what we have
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with this awareness, then nexttime you have an interaction
with them and the physicalreminding yourself that anything
they say is actually more areflection of them, their
insecurities, their fears thatare showing up and give it back
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to them. No, that has nothing todo with you. And get back to
you. What's yours. When I claimwhat's mine, what's yours is
yours. What's mine is mine.
Taking a breath and coming outof the space back into the body
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back into your room. And beforeyou open your eyes, there's an
invitation here. For you to haveeyes of curiosity, of seeing
more of the tender mercies thatstill show up for you in your
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life with choosing this new pathevery morning waking up with
curiosity of where do I get tosee and express a little mercy,
a little grace to others today.
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And when you're ready, openingyour eyes coming back into the
room and just a reminder, thatyou're not alone on this path.
That everything that you'reseeking is within you. And when
you have these beautifulawarenesses and thoughts that
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come up, it's an ability to letgo of that layer so that you can
see something else within youthat's asking to be seen. Can
you create it? Can you havegratitude for it and move even
deeper and deeper into yourselfand the truth of who you are. If
you're seeking for moreawareness in your life, I highly
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recommend my book leavingreligion a guide that you can
find on Amazon I will link itdown below. And the method I
have several guided meditationsthat I've created all around
leaving religion that areextremely powerful and helpful.
I will link those as well.
Wherever you are today, sendingyou so much love. Know that you
are not alone.
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You
Welcome, welcome.
Welcome to my podcast leavingreligion a guide. I have been
sitting with a lot of pieceslately. And I noticed that I
have a little bit of a patternof starting a podcast and doing
it about a year and then feelinga little burnt out. So I've been
taking a little bit of a breakwith this podcast and kind of
reevaluating, what do I want todo. And as I've been sitting
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with that, I really, really wantto continue doing this podcast
and dropping episodes weekly.
And with that, I'm lining upsome really amazing guests, I've
shortened the title to leavingreligion a guide, as there's a
lot of different topics that getto be spoken to, and not just
stories of leaving religion. Butreally the stories of then what
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next? Where do I go next. Andthis episode is me. And I wanted
to just with me, I have somereally beautiful interviews
lined up of talking aboutdifferent aspects with spiritual
pitfalls that happen and talkingabout shame, talking about some
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different pieces, that I havesome really beautiful guests
that are going to come on tojust share some stories and
experiences and learning thatthey they have had. But in this
episode, you know, as I says,we're all out there doing our
thing, and creating and growingand asking to really experience
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more and more in life reallyfully so that we can experience
more of who we are. I have beensitting with some really deep
pieces of what is it that Ireally, really want to create,
and what do I want to hone inon. And that's partly why I was
thinking about this podcast andwhat I do in general, for
business and for a living. And Ifeel like the things that I do
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and what I what I create isreally helping people come to a
stronger and better relationshipwith themselves. So having and
cultivating that in arelationship to where you really
have more sovereignty overyourself, you have that self
trust, and leaving religion andgoing on this spiritual journey
is one of those pieces thatreally, really pops those places
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within us of really starting toask those questions. We move
from this place of followingsomeone else following these
kinds of steps, if you will,with what to do next. And really
being getting kind of busy withthe what to do, and, and who's
telling me what to do and how todo these things. And, and
embedded within religion aredifferent tools, right? If you
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are struggling and really havingan existential crisis in
Mormonism, you usually go to thetemple, you pray more you read
more scriptures, you you kind ofstart doing a little bit more of
that self reflecting, butthere's these tools, these
avenues that you get to utilizewhen you're in those places. And
so the deeper question is, andwhere do you go when you've left
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religion. And I, you know, thisis partly why I do this podcast,
partly why I've written thisbook of we, we leave, and then
one, I had this reallybeautiful, you know, experience
and painful experience, butbeautiful because I know that
I'm listening to my salon, Mysoul is saying this isn't for me
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anymore. And now I'm steppingout. And now where do I go. And
there, there's a hard truth inthis, my friends,
when we choose out of aconstruct and out of a religious
construct, where there has beena lot of preaching, as you know,
kind of the pedestal kind ofplaying. And we have been
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responding to those things thatwe're told we should you know,
what we should do, what, how weshould live our lives, and all
these different dynamics. Andthen we choose out of this, this
place in life, we then move intoa place that actually can feel
quite hard. And those of youthat are listening or watching
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this on you to this on YouTube.
If you're listening or watchingthis, you've already you're
already experiencing this, youyou are going through those
places that you're awakeningmore and more into yourself and
kind of those places of I nowhave choice, I now get to create
the life that I want. And thatcan be quite scary. And today
with a client of mine who'smoving through some deep, deep
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pieces around religion. We weretalking a little bit about this
and one of the pieces that shewas considering and I have had
other people that have said thesimilar piece similar things is
if I'm stepping out thisconstruct of what God has been
told to me that he is and I'mexploring this relationship, is
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it possible that I'm also a God?
And the truth is yes, in someform, at least in my belief, and
you can get you get to choosewhat your belief system is. But
outside of all of that, we knowthat when we have experiences in
our lives, that somehow there'ssomething about us that has
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attracted it, we know that weare in constant creation. So
whether you want to say that's agodlike attribute that we have,
or just being a human andexisting, we are constantly
creating our realitiesconstantly. And when we now no
longer have someone to kind ofturn to or blame or say, hey,
now what what do I do? It putsall that responsibility on us.
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And that can be overwhelming. Itcan be really overwhelming. And
so what now? What do you do nowwith that piece, there's the the
overwhelmingness of Holy shit,if I'm creating everything, then
everything that I've done up tothis point, I've actually called
in, I've created I've made achoice. And I went down those
experiences. And if you can'tfind the meaning, or the gifts
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are the reasons why you did it,it can feel really painful. And
it is painful, even when you dounderstand what it is that you
gained from these differentexperiences. Because that is
part of being human that is partof this human existence, of just
feeling human, exploring theemotions, feeling the body
feeling all the somatics that weget to experience. And then
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comes the beautiful Gift ofChoice. Ironically, the Mormon
church talks about this a lot,right? We we chose into physical
bodies, because we wanted tohave free agency. And yet,
religion takes away a lot ofthat free agency. If you make
certain choices, then you'rethere's consequences for it
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within within religiousconstructs. And. And as society,
I mean, if we make a choice thatharms another, there's going to
be some sort of a consequence,that's just the natural law of
what we've created. But withinreligion, especially when
someone chooses to go againstwhat the norms are that have
been placed, then it's usuallysomehow shunned. It's somehow
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judged. And it's kind of anirony. And so when you step out
of religion, and now the god isshifting, now you're recognizing
that holy cow, I actually havemore sovereignty and more
ability for choice than I'veever had. It can be quite
exhilarating, and can be quitescary. So this is why I wanted
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to speak to this, it's that hardtruth, in the reality that it is
not easy to leave. It's not easyto leave, and it's not easy to
move down this path. And yet,your soul is asking for it. Your
soul is asking for a differentexperience in this life. Why?
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That is a great question. Iwould get really clear and and
still with yourself of what isit that you're asking to
experience? What parts of you?
Or are you asking to really growand cultivate within.
What I have found to be true formyself and so many others is
that there is an awareness andknowing and a stronger spiritual
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connection that I have withmyself. After leaving religion
than I did when I was inreligion, and religion was a
stepping stone, it was a placeto really start tapping into
those places within me. But itwas, you know, like the
elementary school that has we'vetalked about this in different
episodes in the past. And soit's been a gift. And you know,
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if you listen to my lastepisode, I talked, I talked
about how Christianity is on thetriangle. And it's no wonder
then that when we step out ofChristianity, Mormonism,
whatever religion that wasembedded on the triangle that we
still stay in the triangle,because, ironically, the
triangle feels safe. So then youmove out of these constructs of
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having, you know, you wereinside the religion, now you're
stepping out, and now you startblaming the church, you start
doing all these things, and youstill live in the triangle.
Because again, that's yoursafety mechanism. And when we
move from places that have feltsafe, that have felt
comfortable, even if it even ifyou didn't like it, you still
knew it, it was still safe, andwe move into these places of
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unknown, the unknown. Ourunconscious mind, our
subconscious mind is like holyshit, we've never been here,
we're going to die. This doesn'tfeel safe. And all sorts of our
belief systems come up, right?
Our limiting beliefs. And what'sreally interesting about this is
if you've listened to otherepisodes of mine, you know, I
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talk a lot about thesubconscious mind. The
subconscious mind forms ourbeliefs, especially from the
ages of zero to nine, that iswhen we form the beliefs of how
we operate in the world. So mostof our wounding most of our
beliefs are our child healingpieces, or our The things that
happened to us when we werethree, or five, or seven, or
eight, and when, and these areall unconscious beliefs. So I
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had this illustrated once to melike this. And I think it's a
really beautiful way to, toillustrate this. If you can
imagine a boat, there's a boatthat's going along in your
conscious mind is at the frontof the boat charting the way.
All right, this is the way thatwe're going to go. And you have
all the people behind that, thatare steering the boat that are
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paddling. And that's theunconscious mind. And you've
been going a certain way, forhowever long and this has felt
safe, the unconscious mind isonboard with the car, the
unconscious and the consciousmind are on board with each
other. And then the consciousmind has a different kind of
like, wait a minute, this, Idon't know, if I like where
we're going, this doesn't feeltrue anymore, and then start to
go to chart a new course, theunconscious mind starts to freak
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out. Because this was known, weknew where we were going, we
knew this was safe. And nowyou're wanting us to go over
here over here is unknown. So ittakes a minute to get the
unconscious mind onboard withthe conscious mind, here's the
beauty. When you change thecourse, the young, you start to
see all the pieces that you'recarrying in the unconscious mind
that have actually been drivingthe ship. Ironically, you gotta
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get to start seeing all theselimiting beliefs, all these
pieces about yourself that arecoming up, do I believe I get to
be punished, I'm punishedbecause I am leaving the
religion of my youth. I'mleaving the religion, my family
system, whatever it is, I'vewatched all these other people
that have left and had hardlives and believed when I was in
that? Well, of course, that'swhat happens when you leave the
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church because it's a wrongchoice. So is there a part of me
that actually holds that samebelief even after I've left even
though I know that this is theway that I'm supposed to go? Do
I have a belief that now I getto punish myself? Now I'm not
worthy of actually having abeautiful life, because I'm
stepping outside of the societalnorms, I'm stepping out of the
tribal system. You will have allsorts of limiting beliefs that
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pop all sorts of shame, allsorts of judgment that comes up.
And the question is, is can youget to a point to where you can
see them, recognize them asactually having nothing to do
with you. But having to do withthese, this subconscious mind is
actually coming up to be seen,be grateful for it shower, like
a gift. This is a practice thisisn't easy. But treat it like a
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gift of thank you for showing methis thing that I didn't know
that I believed or that I held.
Can I love it almost like achild aspect of myself asking to
be seen unconditionally loved,but not attached to it, meaning
anything about me. And insteadjust acknowledging it, and then
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telling the unconscious mind,it's okay. We're safe.
We're gonna go this way. Andagain, this is a continual
practice. Joe Dispenza. This isthe neural pathways that we're
talking about when when we havethese neural pathways in our
brain that have formed a certainbelief in a certain we bought
into a certain program for along time, it takes a little bit
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to unwind those programs, ittakes more than just a little
bit to unwind, especially if youwere born and raised within a
religion. It takes some time tounwind those programs those
patterns. So can you treatyourself like you would a child
aspect of you that had been bornand raised and bred into this
religion? That you're now sayingno, thank you any more? Can you
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still hold that part of you andsay I love you. I see you I know
this is hard, and it's going totake some time to unwind it.
Can you show up in unconditionallove? Do you know what
unconditional love looks like?
Unconditional Love means youlove all aspects of you that are
showing up no matter what.
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You may not entertain them andyou may not let them drive the
ship because they're throwing atantrum for a minute. But you
can still see them like youwould a toddler that throwing a
tantrum because they didn't getsomething that they wanted. With
patients with love, and waitingfor it to pass, you know that it
only takes seven seconds for anemotion to move through. So when
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different events in your lifehappen to where it triggers an
emotion can you breathe intothat emotion? Can you see the
thought that actually startedthe the motion? See it recognize
it? Thank you for showing up soyou can see this belief that
you've been holding that youdidn't know is there. I see. You
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know, I don't believe that'sactually not true. I do believe
I'm worthy of having a beautifullife. Why am I judging myself
right now? I don't want to dothat. Is this not even true?
Loving it, seeing it, honoringit, letting emotion move through
and then moving on. Now thereare some deeper emotions
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especially and beliefs.
Especially within, when youyou're leaving out of a
construct. With any religionthat you've been in a long time,
it takes some time and patience.
And sometimes you do needassistance and facilitators to
assist you in unwinding andunhooking these pieces. But if
you're in a place right now, inyour life, where emotions are
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high, where you are feelingreally uncomfortable, where you
are feeling like, what is thepoint? Does this get any easier?
The paradox in this, and I justposted a real on my Instagram
about this this morning. Theparadox in this piece is the
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place that you have been thatfelt safe, you will never feel
again. So oftentimes, we try togo seek for that peace, that,
that place of home of knowing ofwhatever it is of what we've
known before to revert to showus that, okay, everything's
gonna be okay. And that doesn'texist anymore. Because now
you're choosing a different wayof being, you're bursting out of
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those places that you weren'tcomfortable with. And so it's a
leaning into that discomfortbreathing into it, letting it
settle, letting it be seen, beknown, yourself telling, are you
telling yourself thateverything's going to be okay,
because you know what, I'vealways been okay. And then
asking yourself, what is thedifferent choice? What are the
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choices? What do I want in mylife and moving forward, and can
I recognize and accept that Ican't get what I'm wanting to go
with the things that I was. Sothere's places of safety of
comfort of peace, that you werewhen you were doing this thing
before, won't come over hereinto the things that you're
wanting to get. You're asking togrow in ways that you've never
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grown before. So your sense ofsafety is going to take some
time to come to your sense ofpeace of whatever that gets to
look like now is going to feeldifferent. Your inner knowing is
coming in, in an online in a waythat you've never experienced
before. Your radars, your innerdilemmas of can I even trust
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myself, is going off probablylike wildfire, especially if you
just left and frankly, comes inlayers. It comes in layers, all
of our healing comes in layers.
So even if you've left and it'sbeen a year or two years, or six
months or five years, it comesin layers if you've listened to
my story with when I leftreligion, and actually when this
podcast came through, when theinspiration for this podcast
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came through, which wassomething that I hadn't even
thought about. You will knowthat it came in with a knowing
that I couldn't do it with anykind of animosity. This podcast
my book, I couldn't do it with aplace of judgment or attacking.
And while at that place in mylife, I felt a lot of peace
around why I left my choice ofleft I like I didn't have
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animosity didn't have thatattacking energy with me. I
could love people that werestill in it, I could understand
why they were choosing what theywere choosing because I once was
there. But when that questioncame in, I had to I got to sit
with that for a minute. Can I dothis without any kind of
attacking because anything thatwe choose into and then choose
out of anything, relationships,constructs, religion, whatever
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it is a belief system of anykind, even modalities, we can
choose when we choose out of it.
Because we get more informationand we grow inside of it, we can
look back and go, Oh, this waswrong, this is wrong, this is
wrong, this is wrong. And thereare fundamentally things that
are wrong.
So when I got had that come in,and I sat with it, man is huge
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piece around the patriarchy camein for me that I got to really
sit with and heal and I wasangry. And I didn't even know
that existed. So how gratefulwas I to actually have this
inspiration, have this knowingof doing this podcast doing
writing this book, and thenhaving it well, knowing that I
couldn't do it with any kind ofanimosity and then checking and
asking myself, is there anythingin here, this still gets to look
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at that I get to look at andthen I get to heal? And the
answer was yes. And I had noidea it was there. And so the
beautiful thing about life andabout this path that you're now
stepping into that you'rechoosing into that's more of a
spiritual path and a a sovereignpath of what do I believe to be
true? And how do I want tooperate my life and and having
full choice and knowing that youare creating your reality is
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that it's constantly this pathof self refinement, that
personal alchemy of being ableto take something that has
happened to us and taking inthose places and allowing for it
to come in seeing why we createdit seeing those places within us
of of why what was my beliefthat helped co create this
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experience, even if it wasreally painful? What was my
belief in it in the first placesitting in the burning of it?
Finding the gifts and burningout that belief. So it's no
longer attracting anythinganymore. And then moving through
creating that alchemical fire sothat you now have this nugget of
gold of wisdom within you. So ifyou're in a place where you are
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feeling stuck, you have movedout of religion, it's harder
than you thought it would be,maybe it's better to stay in.
Trust me, all of us have hadthose thoughts that, you know,
at some point in time in ourtransition out of gosh, it was
much easier to stay in andlisten to somebody else's truth.
There's a lot of places where itwas easier except for that inner
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soul guidance, it's saying getout, get out. The irony that I
have been experiencing andseeing more acutely is religion
and other constructs actuallyseparates us from our soul. And
so it's this beautiful gift whenour soul that we have been
somewhat separate, like we'vehad taste of it, we know it. But
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we've only known it in a way ofwhat we were told it should look
like feel like sound like tasteslike, for the most part, this
isn't always the 100% true foreverybody. And so when we do
have our soul that starts kindof knocking at the door of Hey,
buddy, this has been great. Butthere's something more there's
something more for you. Then youstart having more of this
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awakening that people talkabout, and coming more home to
the self of like, wow, what do Ireally want in my life, and then
it becomes more this place ifyou're willing to look at it. Of
where can I continue movingforward, and movement is the
key. We are not meant to bestagnant beings. In fact, if you
if you do not move, if you don'tmove anything, you know, your
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physical body, if you don't moveyour physical body, what
happens? Right, it has bedsores,it starts becoming dormant, it
starts literally dying. Our bodyneeds movements, so does our
soul. Our soul needs movement,our mind needs movement. If you
have nothing to focus on andnothing of like what am I
creating, then you will start tohave your vibration your
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frequency start to lower. Andright now we're at a time in our
life and in the earth wherewe're being shown deeper core
wounds and beliefs that we'vebeen holding, that are difficult
to look at and can create somedepression, some anxiety, some
restlessness, some some apathy,really, and feeling what is the
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point. And the point is thatthis is the point we're here to
see and learn and move throughthose parts of us that we've
been holding that have beenholding us back that have been
limiting us that have beencreating the stories that that
we have been living. And themore we become conscious of what
we're creating, then we becomethese beautiful co creators,
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with God with source with eachother. Because we're a lot more
aware of what we're doing. Idon't know about you, but to
have more awareness and moresovereignty about the life that
I want to create, even though itmeans that I'm 100% responsible
for the life that I'm creatingis quite empowering, even in the
fearful moments, even in thescary moments of like, oh crap,
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am I really ready to breakthrough this next thing. And if
again, you're feelinguncomfortable, it's okay. It is
completely normal to feeluncomfortable to not feel safe.
When we leave religion, that isa very normal thing. So I invite
you to breathe into it, tobreathe into those spaces. And
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he's actually filling to guideyou through a little bit of a
guided meditation. So if you'redriving, don't close your eyes.
But if you're in a space towhere you can just get still for
a minute. Close your eyes. Allowfor your mind, to start to slow
down the thoughts and justlisten to my voice. Allow for
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your breathing, to start toslow. getting deeper with each
breath and I would invite you inthis next breath to breathe it
into those places within youthat feel pain that feel
discomfort, the places that mayhave vulnerable energy
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and those places that feelafraid breathe into those
spaces. And imagine those placeswithin you that are carrying any
of those emotions those energiesallow it to have a voice maybe
it wasn't age, how old would itbe? Is there emotions here that
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are asking to be expressedwitnessed and felt? If so, can
you feel them? Can you see them?
Can you allow them to be setseen allowing it to bubble up
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moving it in and out through thebreath. Our breath is one of the
most beautiful tools that we canuse to move energy to move
emotionswith this emotion asked to see
if there's a belief underneaththis. Is there a thought that's
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been creating this emotion?
Allow for your unconscious mindto show you that thought or that
belief now? And if it came up, Iinvite you to write it down if
you can. It was the belief underthe vulnerability under the
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fearful places that those placesthat feel scared angry hurts,
stagnant. What is that belief?
What is that pot? Writing itdown or imagining it in front of
you that thought allow it to befully embodied and encircled in
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love. Can you see that thought?
like you would a child who'sjust fearful that may have an
irrational thought?
Can you see it? Can you witnessit? And can you tell it
everything is going to be okayyou are okay? It's going to be
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okay. And breathe even deeper. Adeeper into this awareness. This
place of charting an unknownpath not yet knowing what lay
beyond the horizon. But knowingthat that is where your soul is
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asking to go reminding yourselfand maybe that child aspect of
you that inner wounded place Ienter limiting belief reminding
yourself that I see you thankyou. And we're going to be okay
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if you can't, I invite you toplace your hands in front of
you. Almost like a cup, a bowlif you will. And allow for
yourself to have this beautifulgolden light that's coming down
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from the heavens from the sun.
Allow for yourself to receivethis golden nectar. See it
pouring into your hands. And asit pours into your hands, I want
you to notice the feeling oflove a pure light of your
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connection coming into thehands. And as this golden nectar
comes in, allow for your body,your cells, your tissues to
actually absorb this light witheach breath, breathing and even
deeper into the cells. And nowseeing this light coating the
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head moving over this, the hairinto the neural pathways and
down through the nervous systemallow for this to coat the nerve
endings coding the neuralpathways soothing all your axial
fibers and moving through thecells, the tissues, the muscles,
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the bones and with that comingin is this unconditional love in
this new belief that I am okay.
You are okay. And everything'sgoing to be okay
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in this space notice if there'sany angels any guides that have
come in just notice theirpresence. Notice that there are
unseen forces that are aroundyou always. And bring your
awareness in to those in yourlife that actually have shown up
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as unseen angels. The ones thatallow you just a little place of
comfort of being okay with whoyou are today. See those people
come into your view now. And ifyou can give gratitude for them
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for yourself, for these unseenguides that are around you. And
this golden light that you havein your hands, can you give some
of that to these people thathave shown up in your life that
have shown you a little mercy, alittle extra love when you need
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it. And now, I invite you to seethose people in your life that
have been difficult, that havemade this journey out of
religion a little harder. Iinvite you to see one person,
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that's the hardest coming intoyour view now. And I invite you
to see the fear that they'reholding with you leaving, see
the programs that are runningwithin them, that they have been
taught. See their insecuritiesof what it means if someone they
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love leaves.
And want you just to noticedoing your best without anger,
just to notice. See their fears,their insecurities, their
wounds. And if you can, I inviteyou to give a little bit of this
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light that was in your hands tothem as well.
offering them just a little bitof kindness today, a little love
a little grace. Knowing thatnone of us are perfect, that we
are all doing the best that wecan with what we have
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with this awareness, then nexttime you have an interaction
with them and the physicalreminding yourself that anything
they say is actually more areflection of them, their
insecurities, their fears thatare showing up and give it back
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to them. No, that has nothing todo with you. And get back to
you. What's yours. When I claimwhat's mine, what's yours is
yours. What's mine is mine.
Taking a breath and coming outof the space back into the body
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back into your room. And beforeyou open your eyes, there's an
invitation here. For you to haveeyes of curiosity, of seeing
more of the tender mercies thatstill show up for you in your
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life with choosing this new pathevery morning waking up with
curiosity of where do I get tosee and express a little mercy,
a little grace to others today.
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And when you're ready, openingyour eyes coming back into the
room and just a reminder, thatyou're not alone on this path.
That everything that you'reseeking is within you. And when
you have these beautifulawarenesses and thoughts that
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come up, it's an ability to letgo of that layer so that you can
see something else within youthat's asking to be seen. Can
you create it? Can you havegratitude for it and move even
deeper and deeper into yourselfand the truth of who you are. If
you're seeking for moreawareness in your life, I highly
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recommend my book leavingreligion a guide that you can
find on Amazon I will link itdown below. And the method I
have several guided meditationsthat I've created all around
leaving religion that areextremely powerful and helpful.
I will link those as well.
Wherever you are today, sendingyou so much love. Know that you
are not alone.
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