Let Go Of The Story & Sing The Myth with Caryn Terres

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I sat down with his next guest just two days ago.
And I really wanted to drop thisepisode as soon as possible.
Because the things that we endedup talking about are really
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of that, let's dive into thisinterview that I had with Karen
Tara's. So I'm hitting recordbecause as we were starting this
podcast or just starting sittingchatting, we're talking about
the Astros and talking aboutwe're recording this on

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Halloween. Yeah saw one. Yeah.
And we're both on our Halloweenclothes. If you're watching on
YouTube. I've got my SandersonSisters shirt on, if the shoe
fits, the shoe fits, and we'retalking about how I'm like I'm
so tired today. Yeah.
So to body, the whole body istired. Everybody's like moving

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up in a cellular level. Like itstarted with 1010 being in a
really intense retrograde seasonright before that with like
seven planning, it was set.
Yeah, in September, we're all inretrograde and retrograde is
just this beautiful time wherewe get to look at what the
planets normally mean. And like,turn that around on ourselves.

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So lots of Shadow Work, lots ofcontracts coming back up lots of
just like endings that then areleading into new beginnings. And
it's like our mental state andour emotional state are good.
And now our physical body islike, Oh,

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well, and then we were justtalking about the Eclipse
energy. So we just went throughone Eclipse. Yeah, so we
had a partial eclipse, lastfolic. And that was a solar
eclipse. And it was visible inlike Europe in the Middle East
Africa and parts of Asia. Thisthe lunar eclipse, it's coming
up though, on 11/8, which iselection day in America is

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visible through North America.
So it'll be like a fullBloodmoon first ever on an
election night. So interesting,which this is a midterm election
which is usually pretty highintensity, which is all I talked
about nowadays, right. I lovethat you have it as a
metaphysician and all the thingsand then you have also the 1111

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portal coming through and thenwe have another solar partial
solar it like the beginning ofDecember or something so we have
so many eclipses coming throughso crazy. Realizing that when
those happened to it's it'sinward, it's purging. It's the
word that keeps coming to me isthe word threshold like where I

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get to just choose an entirelydifferent reality. I when I was
thinking about this with afriend the other day, it was
literally like I was in herliving room. And I walked into
her kitchen and I was like whydo we keep walking into the
kitchen and assuming that we'rein the living room. We're like
mad that we don't have thecouch. I've just came from the
living room. I don't actuallywant to be in the living room. I

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want to be in the kitchen and Iwant to cook myself a meal and I
want to explore this new room.
But I walk into it over and overand over again over all the
spiritual lessons that I'velearned being the nomadic
spiritualist that I've been Inmy whole life, and I keep

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looking for the living room.
Yeah. And it's like no, we getto we get to like play in the
kitchen for a while and like gomake witchy brews and see what
kind of delicious meals we canmake for ourselves.
Well, I think one of the piecesthat has for me that has been
coming through is I love thatwe're actually just diving into
this and then we'll we'll we'llactually get more into your
story and your background. Butyou know, it is like this Good

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God ever since I think 2120 20leading up to 2020 is started
getting intense with the Astrosright, everything in the Astros
have just intensified. Andthere's no question that we are
affected from things that happenin the solars like with the
solar eclipses with the whateverthe planets are doing, like we
are affected by it some moredramatically than others, right?

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Well,what we were seeing right before
two with the Election day isthat Venus is entering Libra for
the first time since 1880. Sothe last time Venus was in
Libra, it was 1772 1880. Thatwas the time that we had two
revolutions, the AmericanRevolution that then immediately
led to the French Revolutionthat literally changed the
course of human history forever.

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And we're still playing games,though, the way that we did and
honestly, like the whole chapterin the book, Magdalene codes
that I was just co authored in,was literally my love letter to
Hamilton Lin Manuel Miranda, Ilove you. And how it just
sparked so much like, inside ofme of like, but we're doing

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things that the Founding Fatherswould be so irritated about when
it comes to scrutiny andsecurity and treating our
freedoms for a legend, safetyand policing the world and all
of the things that we do. Andit's like, why were the founding
mothers were the women that hadbeen witchy weirdos for the last

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decade or two that are willingto be like, You know what,
there's never been a mother inthe White House. But we're
expected to take care of everyother household like come on, we
need to shift the paradigm, wegot to shift it and Venus
entering Libra is literallytelling us that on a massive
global scale, the last time shewas in this sign, we did have an

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entire huge worldwide revolutionthat was based in love and
freedom, not in power andoppression and money and
oligarchy, which is what we'vebeen dealing with.
Yeah, just such an interestingthought I, so I'm, I am working
on an this is a long story. SoI'm like how do I shorten this?

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I love speaking. So I'm like,You know what I'm just I'm
hiring a speaking coach toprepare, like I'm doing a whole
thing to go like go and try andapply to be on TEDx stages, and
what it's about how you're notyour story. But one of the
topics that I'm bringing up isthe world stage. And I think
it's really fascinating that ourplanet, our country, the United

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States is is the slogan is homeof the free because of the
brave, which then implies thatwe have to always be brave,
because there's something tofight. So even in our wiring, so
because I think what you and Iare saying and I think what is
happening in the whole planet,is really pushing us to look at
the programs that we have beenholding for so long. That had

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been through our lineage forgenerations that are asking to
be unwound these stories of youhave to be brave, because you've
got to fight for something.
Freedom is actually not free.
You have to fight for it, whichis not true
is a sacrifice, right? There'sthe reason why we're free is
because our men and women goover yes and fight or they
defend the homeland. Like I'mall for having a security

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system, right? Like I am totallyokay, if I have my house, I have
got my Vivint and I hook it up.
And like the somebody's going toshow up if I'm attacked. The
issue that I've always had foryears at this point is like, Why
do we feel that we have theright to constantly be in other
people's backyards? Right. Andthat's not promoting sovereignty

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and not promoting freedom, it'spromoting sacrifice is promoting
again, that bravery like oh, Ihave to be the tough dog.
Instead of like, what if thingsget, like, what if it gets to be
easier,or that I even have to always be
fighting like I always have tobe prepared for a fight
prepared, that I can't justassume that the security system

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is going to work, I have to belike walking my own security all
the time, or going over to theneighbors. Like when you start
to zoom in and zoom out some ofthe things we do on a national
or global scale. And what thatwould look like in your own
personal life. You're like, thisdoesn't rectify I would never
act that way now. And yet, Iwill turn blue in the face

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defending why my country or mywhatever my party should do
this, that and the third andit's like no you don't you are
you have conflicting beliefsthat you were probably taught.
Yeah, we're given them and Like,I don't know if you know the
thing about the ham. I don'tknow this is a story My mom
always tells us to, to push thisin. Like, husband goes having

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dinner, and his wife cuts theham on both sides. He's like,
why do you do that? She's like,I don't know. It's the way my
mom always did it. Mom comesover for dinner happens to be
the one that they're making hamfor? Why do you do that? Oh, no,
I don't know is the way my momalways did it. She just always
cut the Hammonds off. Call upgranny. Hey, Granny, why do you
cut both ends off the ham? Oh,well, my didn't fit in my pan.

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Unless I did that. Oh, it didn'tfit in the pan. And that's it.
Yeah, the reason why her thegrandmother did it was because
it didn't fit in the pan unlessshe cut the ends off the ham
because of back in the day,right? But the daughter and then
the granddaughter, she just didit. And they're like, it's just
because granny did it that way.
We do that with money. We dothat with sex. We do that with
religion, everything reallyeverything. And the cool thing

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is, as soon as you're aware ofthat you get to be like, all of
my skills of dissociation andchildhood trauma now get to be
beneficial, right? Because I candissociate from all of those
beliefs too. And now your storyisn't a story of trauma. Yeah,
your story is one of like, Iwrote the most epic, legendary
myth that I could imagine andbecame I wasn't I didn't become

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the queen became the freakindragon.
Yes, yeah, don't mess.
One. I think this ties reallybeautifully into religion,
right? When people step out ofreligion, which, of course is
what this podcast is, and theNavigating out of it, it is a
lot of those constructs thatwe're speaking of, that I have
to fight for my freedom. And Inow just stepped out of a

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construct where I didn't feelfree. Now I'm free, my people
that I know are still in it. SoI have to be really defensive. I
have to almost get aggressiveand get a little bit angry
because I have there's somethingto fight for. And I think that
that is part of the programsthat we're talking about the
problem actually, there'sreligion, religion and wars and

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sovereignty has always been sointertwined. Yeah, big way back
in the daywho believe in like, even the
Romans and the Greeks didn'talways agree even though they
existed very different times.
You just look at history. Andyeah, it's Which God do you
believe in? How many gods do youbelieve in?
Oh, and you'll be killed if youdon't believe in the certain
religion of the monarchy in theland at the time.

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Exactly. And, or you're going tobe pushed away. And then you
have the whole things of like,why do we have infant mortality
rates so high, all of a suddenskyrocketing in the 1617 1800s?
You killed all your midwives?
Because you burned all thewitches? Yeah. Right. Like you
have these correlations with myinsane nerdiness? That is my
brain. These maps that like ourtimelines, yeah. Like this is

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related to maybe oil and otherresources, and then the birth
rate. And then what were wedoing with this? And where was
the religion and the oldestoverlay in my brain? In this
weird way of like, yeah, whenyou start talking about just
freedom, religion, sovereignty.
Resources, in general. It'salways coming down to who has

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the power instead of who can beof most service. Right. And then
you have that beautiful picturefrom 1965, the first photo of
the world from there, and you'relike, there's literally no
borders, there are no littleblack lines on the ground,

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painted on there. Even if youdrive into Utah from Arizona,
right now, there's not like astraight line, there's like a
sign and then there's anothersign a half mile, right? Like
down the road, you're like,which one is the border? Right?
Where you are now entering Utah,or the four corners is like has
been moved like three differenttimes. Right? And it's just
because it's all fake. It's notit's all a facade, the religions

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and all of that all they'redoing is trying to give you a
concept like we as a littlehuman mind, how do we explain
the vastness of the universe?
Yeah. But it came into fear andscarcity and came into survival
mode, and we're in thisbeautiful time, where a lot of
us don't have to think aboutsurviving anymore. Yeah, we're
in a place where we're rewiringour amygdala is we're rewiring

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our hippocampus we're so manyparts of our brain to thrive.
And then that's going to then bepassed down seven generations,
right? If we're epigeneticstells us where seven generations
deep whatever seven generationsago was feeling we're dealing
with it but our ability toswitch that and change it all
the way on a DNA level actuallyby adding NLP and all the other

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different beautiful practices wehave that we can scientifically
prove are changing us. So all ofthe naysayers like my father can
be like here Mr. Vulcan robotmind, I
have data for you and youcannot. What are you gonna say?
anymore? Right Right. And that'sthe only thing to our science is

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catching up to mysticism. Yeah,not the other way around. Yeah.
Our science is finally beingable to prove things that
witches were burned for 400years ago. Yeah, you know. Yeah.
I love I love that. We'retalking about this and I and I
want to kind of dive into yourbackground and your story
because your story is unique,especially being here in Utah.

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So you were raised Catholic.
Yeah, I was born Catholic inCalifornia, LA, in AD. And just
but my parents were themusicians of the church like
that was it they were the churchmusicians. We went my mom was in
the choir, Dad was guitarist, wemoved to Utah and 92 We found

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the closest parish. Mom and Dadalways found a way to get into
it. I don't know their victimmentality is blaming
justification and complaining.
Those are what I was raisedwith. Yeah, so we moved to
another parish. I don't knowwhat went down there. And all of
a sudden I find myself no longergoing to Catholic school, but
going to the public school, andI find myself not going to

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Catholic church but going to theUnitarian Universalist society
unit way Unitarian Universalistsociety. I have never heard of
that. Yeah.
What is that? UnitarianUniversalism
is a that is a mouthful. It isa Unitarian Universalist society
and Cottonwood Heights SVU usfor short. South Valley for even

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shorter honestly. And there'sanother church in Salt Lake
City, First Unitarian churchacross from the rice, Eccles
stadium, okay, 13th and fourthover there. And there. It's a
non dogmatic spiritualcongregation, that is based in
seven principles that are offthe top of my head, I can't

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remember them all. Butessentially, like rooted in, you
have the right to your ownspiritual path. And we as a
congregation will support you inthat respect for every
individual person and theintegrity there have the right
to the democratic process withinour congregations and society at
large.

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And respect for theinterdependent web of life of
which we're all apart. And thenlots of several others that are
like the truth and meaning ofyour own personal life. A lot of
you Yeah, for that. So like my,one of my Sunday School teachers
was like Jewish with, like, hadthe Jewish background, right, my

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parents were more pagan, earthbased religion. So like tonight
is solid tonight's the thirdnight of Psalm one. The first
night was the 29th with thenight of the plants, and then
the 38th is the night of theanimals. And then the 31st is
the night of the ancestors. Butin the Unitarian church, they
even actually teach theteenagers in Junior High in high

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school, neighboring faiths iswhat it's called. So we actually
would learn about a differentfaith. And this was 2001 2002,
where it's like, intense stuffgoing on in the world. Yeah,
with the face. And we wereshowing up to mosques, and just
showing up to synagogue and wewere going to Greek Orthodox

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Church and going to theCathedral and the only church,
though, that we never visitedwas the Mormon church and you're
in Utah, and I'm in Utah. Howinteresting is that? And it's
because I found out laterbecause so many Unitarians in
Utah are ex Mormons. It was toothey are not even going to let
you well that backfired on thembecause if they had let me in, I

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wouldn't have had this likeunseated craving to understand
the one church that everyoneseemed to be a part of, but they
didn't let me into because Irebelled and became Mormon when
I was easy did for 18 months.
That was my rebellion against myparents was by becoming Mormon I
had a crush on some boy he gothis ironic priesthood. I'm an

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empath didn't realize that atthe time would go to church feel
the Spirit always had the mostdelicious roast beef after fat,
right? Hey, you know what Imean? Like it's a beautiful
community. And there's so muchgoodness that can be there,
especially as an only child inUtah, no family, like being able
to get invited to gatherings andjust like really feel like this

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sense of family. Like familyhome healings was like, the most
revolutionary concept to myteenage brain at the time. Yeah,
but it took me 18 months to getkicked out. Like I didn't just
leave like they they asked methey're like, Thank You keep
asking too much about HolyMother and we keep asking you to

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stop asking about it and ReliefSociety. So we need you to stop
or we need you to stop coming toour singles ward. And I was
like, Okay, well, I'll stopcoming. But can you make sure
you expunge me from yourrecords? Yeah, interesting. Like
they know that they did it theystill My homewards still sends
me things on my birthday. And sostill to this day, I haven't
done the official work.

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Remember, you need to go get on.
I know. I mean, I don't likeit's just one of those things of
like, it was so easy for me toget in missionaries like, like,
in six weeks. Yeah, as ateenager, and my parents had my
meeting, tell their friend,like, my dad's best friend was a
bishop. He's like, go see ifKaren's testimony is true or
not? Well, of course, the bishopis gonna say My testimony is

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true. I'm another tick on themark. Yeah, like, because that's
how I was treated immediatelyafterwards. In high school. That
was my junior year of highschool last summer, like so
good. And then by the middle ofsenior year, all those friends
who dropped me all those friendsacted like I was just this super
weirdo, I was highly depressed,suicidal, all of these things,
because I thought that I hadfound people, and they had found

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a way for them to, I don't knowhow they teach you all in there.
But it really felt like theywere trying to, like, do a duty
that they like, Oh, your job isto go convert as many people and
do it through as muchmanipulation and whatever as
possible, because I don't knowhow people can live with
themselves knowing thatsomeone's walking around

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suicidal because you stoppedtalking to them, because they
changed wards to their home Wardbecause it was just closer.
Right? We're all the people inmy home Ward who didn't accept
me when I went there because I,oh, Karen's Mormon now, blah,
blah, blah. Like, I think I toldyou the story of when I started
school after being in Catholicschool. Fourth grade, someone

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moved in next door, and I waslike, Oh, sweet. I'm not going
to be the only new kid atschool. When I get to school,
the first day of fourth grade.
And everyone already knows whoRyan is. And I'm like, This is
not fair. Like how can he waslike, not smart. Not cute, like,
I'm sorry, I'm gonna just callit what like, I had some

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potential to like, for it to bean even match of who was gonna
get the popular kid spot. Ittook me years to realize he
moved in during the summer, hehad had all summer to go to the
ward, or to hang out with hisfriends. Yeah, that's it. And I
never clicked I lived in thesame house since 92. Didn't have

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friends in the neighborhoodwasn't being invited to the
potlucks around the lakenothing. We had a literal X. I
remember going to my home Wardand seeing the map for the
missionaries. And there was likea big giant X on my dad's house.
And I was like, What's that for?
And they're like, oh, man, theguy who lives there's so mean.
Oh, like, like, I'm sure that1993 David noise not impressed
with the amount of Mormons likeknocking on his door when he

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first moved in? I Yeah. Okay.
I don't I don't get missionariesthat come to my house. I mean,
my records are removed andeverything. But I had
missionaries come one day, andit was after I started this
podcast, and there's these cutekids, you know, they're young.
So it's like, oh, we're here todid it. And I'm like, I know

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exactly who you are. And there'sthat part of me that's like,
they wanted to know if theycould share and I I was on that
fence of do I let them in ornot? Because we could have a
long conversation. And by theway, I help people out of the
Mormon religion, you know, butI'm like, there's these kids,
and they're just doing this,this thing that they feel called
to do. And anyway, so I probablyhave a red X on my because I

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can't remember exactly what Isaid. I think I did say, I used
to be Mormon. I'm no longerMormon. In fact, I help people
out of the Mormon church andhave a podcast all around it. So
I'm probably not the person youwant to talk to. And I said it
and unkind way. Just kind oflike that. But so I probably
have.
Yeah, they will do it. They willtotally be like not worth your
time.
Yeah, not happening. No, there'sno there's no foothold here. And

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it's justso interesting, too, because the
missionaries who come to Utahare not the ones that we send
out. Yeah. But even by that, Imean by like, so even being
raised not Mormon, in a veryliberal church, like my minister
was transgender. Growing up, mySunday School teacher was
lesbian. I was walking in thegay pride parades, I was

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speaking for racial injusticewas when I was 13. Because one
of the congregants got arrestedfor being black at the wrong
place. Time. So like, tons ofgrassroots movements, and
unfortunately, now the UnitarianChurch is swayed really far into
a place where even now I'm like,uh, I'm trying to help you guys
out and you're not helpingyourself on the image. Because
now it'd be when we would have ahuge increase of people wanting

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to join but they've gone alittle far into like the anti
white like they're just ohreally angry at the SIS white
gendered male right now to apoint that they're starting to
cause separation which for me inmy work, everything is about
realizing nothing is separate,right. I'm a know it all nerd
because I was raised beingallowed to ask those questions

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and was like, Mommy, why is thisstory of Krishna so Much like
the story of raw, so much likethis story of Jesus, so much
like this story of, I can neverpronounce his name up in
Finland, right? Like they werejust they were like all over the
place. And my parents lovehistory and all of that. And

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they're like, because peoplemove. But I've lived in the same
house for 30 years. So that wasa whole nother thing. But the
more what I was saying about themissionaries, we said, No, we, I
still ended up married andpregnant and with a baby by the
time I was 20. Yeah, living inUtah, because that was what was
taught. I didn't have aboyfriend in high school. I
thought becoming Mormon wasgonna get my odds. Didn't

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get you where you wanted to go.
Dammit.
Went back. Your plan was foiled.
And then my kid's father, mydear ex husband, he he knew me
from the Unitarian Church, wewere 12 we knew had the same
background. We were both weirdosin Utah, whatever. We started
dating. I had an incident withantibiotics while on birth

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control and got pregnant and wasimmediately thrown into well, if
you have an abortion that I'mgoing to leave you, my parents
saying, if you have one, thenwe're not going to How old are
you? I was 19. I was 19 yearsold had a baby when I was 20 got
married a couple of months afterhe was born, and live the
suburban housewife life. Untillast year. I had two more kids

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during that time. But mydaughter's birth was the one
that snapped all of it andchanged all of that and put me
back on the path of me thenbeing like, being mom's hippie
stuff was totally on point,wasn't it? She? How many years
of like not communing with TheGoddess did I miss out on
because I was in such like,rebellion of like, Nope, I don't

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want to believe in any of that.
Even though I could see itbefore my like it was never
really gone.
Yeah. But those pieces probablyhave taught you what you're
speaking of, of. We're all we'reall things. Yeah, you are all a
part of everything.
Yeah, you have to be. And whenwe see the people that come into

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Utah, on their mission, I seethat in their eye that they're
really on like a mission. Andwhen I see the guys come back,
they're like, Okay, check outour full list. Next on the list,
get married and have a baby.
Yeah, because that's what we'retaught here is the amount of
people I've talked to you in theworld. I had exchange students
who moved here, or who livedwith us, like, several

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throughout the countrythroughout my whole childhood.
They all like no one really hadan issue with the Mormon church.
Like they weren't like, therewasn't really a big opinion
about them. They were fine. Butlike, there wasn't a very strong
belief center that I would see,I would I would hear my friends
in the LDS church repeatingstuff. Hmm. And it was just

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like, fascinating, because I'llhave friends that I'll meet who
are from like Texas, or from NewHampshire. And I find out
they're Mormon. And I'm like,what? Because they're way
different. Because they're soaccepting. And they're so
loving, and they're so nottrying to shove funeral potatoes
and the Book of Mormon down yourthroat at the same time. Yeah.
Like, it's such a weirdexperience to grow up and be so

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like, Oh, you're not Mormon. Wecan't be friends with you. Yeah,
you're not invited to mybirthday party. You can't come
on the boat with us. Like suchweird, weird rules, just because
I wasn't the right religion.
Yeah. And then I saw it. Becausethe second I became the right

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religion. I was accepted. I wasat the barbecue. I was being
invited to the cabin. I wasdoing all of the things. And it
lasted six months. And then Iwas by myself through the rest
of high school, trying to figureout who I was in a world where
being Mormon was apparentlystill not good enough, no matter

(29:00):
what I did. I wasn't gonnafreakin fit in, in Salt Lake
City. And yet somehow, I'm stillhere. 15 years later. So that's
where I know that like, God istelling me there's a reason why.
And that's why I've had so manylike, okay, when it comes to
politics, Utah's actually areal, real good place.

(29:21):
Something's up. Yeah. And thereare there's a beautiful
countercultural here, that,unfortunately, does have a lot
of anger in it. But as we softenthat through having acceptance
of like, people are just outwhere they're at. Some of us
were raised, really oppressed,and then had to come out of it
and others of us were not raisedoppressed at all. Yeah, and

(29:46):
still have to, like accept thefact that other people dealt
with that level of oppression.
Or just be okay, that that's howour parents were bribing it back
to what we were talking about atthe beginning. Like I can look
at my am dad who was raisedCatholic in LA? Look at my best
friend's dad who was raisedMormon in Utah. And look at her
boyfriend's dad who was raisedMormon outside of Utah. They all

(30:10):
are actually the same freakingperson. By the way, we have a
bet whether or not we shouldever put the three of them in a
room together and hope I'm justbecause they were all the like,
safety manager type guys arehead of the shop. Like at the
end of the day, they wereresponsible with a lot of
people's like safety and wellbeing or whatever. And you hear
them and you listen to certainthings your dinner with one of

(30:34):
them in your like, that was mydad that just came out of his
mouth. That's funny. And itkeeps happening. So it is a
generational thing so much morethan what we put it into, like
just a religious thing. Oh,yeah. The whole mindset and then
just our relationship to God ingeneral and whether or not we
for years, I can't even say theword God. It just triggered me

(30:56):
so much. Yeah, and now I'm likeGoddess universe source or
mighty I don't know big thingyour
relationships shifted. So now ithas a different meaning. That's
how it was for me. I couldn't Icouldn't read anything that had
gone till I got to a point tolike, Okay, God, does it mean
this anymore? That I was pissedat angry and hurt over it now

(31:17):
means this and has a whole othermeaning your whole other layer?
So now it's like, yeah, yeah,your guys looks different than
my God. And I'm okay with that.
Yeah, exactly. Or to realizethat you are God and that you're
completely in a strictly boundup in the intimacy that is,
everything is another layer tolike, you're just experiencing

(31:39):
yourself through the lens ofanother aspect of yourself and
that level of like, yeah, youyou can make up whatever, you
were all out of our minds. Sohave a great ride. Yeah, like
live it up. Instead of, oh,there's so many things that

(32:02):
could be that are just negativethat are so in the to stay angry
at to stay in that separation tostay in, in well, she believes
this, and he believes this andthis, that and the third, like
no acceptance for where yourneighbor is right here right now
will actually lead to aconversation and can lead to a
relationship versus being like,No, you're wrong. You're and

(32:26):
you're having any judgmenttowards where someone is
anywhere, on any level of anyjourney.
Yeah, yeah, I find that thelevel of separation that's been
happening the last few years isquite fascinating. And I think
there's a, there's a reason forit. I feel like all of us, it
really pushes us all to go whatwhat are my beliefs? What are my
truths to what you were sayingof people, regurgitating the

(32:48):
things that they're just told todo versus Hey, why do I want to
do this? Is this coming from aplace within me? Or is this
coming from external you know,of something that somebody's
told me to do in order to findhappiness or eternal life? Right
and and really the selfresourcing piece, which would
it's so much easier to be pissedoff at somebody else? Instead of

(33:08):
really looking within of Geez,why am I why am I so triggered
at this person? Because itactually has to do with you
instead of somebody else? It'seasier to put the blame on
someone else. Instead of well,why don't we get stuck in the
loop of while I'm like thisbecause of right? So that was
where I was like for I'mactually think that that's the

(33:30):
lesson that I'm learning themost right now is how much I'm
still doing this in places of iWell, I'm like this because of
my trauma. I'm like this becauseI was an only child raised in a
counterculture and like I couldgive you a whole reason why I
don't or do XYZWell, I think there's but that

(33:51):
is part of that is true and andyou get to change it. Yeah.
Right. You get to literallydecide is that even though I
didn't choose thosecircumstances, in the like,
Ohana big giant soul level wedid, but like human Karen did
not choose a situation where herfather was physically and
emotionally abusive. And hermother was highly codependent

(34:12):
and was left often on her own tolike, emotionally console
herself, which is the mostbaseline way for me to describe
my childhood, right? Because Idon't want to right, that's the
more I could, but it would youwould see me literally
physically strain to reach intosome of those memories that used

(34:33):
to be immediately right there.
Because now underneath all ofthose painful memories, were all
these beautiful ones. There wasall this joy in these
renaissance fairs and going toconcerts and going to the ballet
and being able to just hang outwith me and my parents and build

(34:55):
puzzles and like all thesethings and watching how my dad
related to his father knew thatand Live my grandpa's life and
how angry he's in bitter hestill is at his mother is like,
I don't want to feel that waywhen you die. So I'm going to do
what I need to do to rectify ourrelationship in my own brain at
least. So that when thathappens, I'm not sitting here

(35:19):
regretting the fact that I'vebeen angry at you for 20 years.
Yeah, because I'm not angry atmy dad. I know, my dad did the
best he knew how to do with theresources he had. I know that my
mom did the best she knew how todo. I know that I'm teaching and
repairing generations in bothdirections, which is why today
being Halloween is just sobeautiful, right? That ancestral
healing isn't just about youhealing for your future. You can

(35:44):
heal and other people around youthat are from your past will
heal with you. Yeah, like mymom's been published for the
first time. And I retiredinternational bestseller this
year. So like amazing. Who didit for like, wow, you left your
husband? Wow, you did all thesethings like I can't believe you.
You did this, Karen. And you cansee her like having

(36:04):
conversations where she canconceptualize my dad being not
around without her crumbling.
When a few years ago, hercodependency was so intense.
She's like, well, it's a goodthing. Women are seven year old,
like live seven years longer.
And I'm already seven yearsolder than your dad, like making
some sort of comment that wouldbe like, well, hopefully I'll go
around the same time, whatever.
And now she's like, No, I couldlike live a whole life. And

(36:28):
whether or not it like you cantell like there's a timeline
again. Yeah, those timelines inmy head. She didn't start
talking this way until after Ileft a marriage of 15. Yes.
Yeah. So interesting. One, Ithink on another podcast, I
shared this, but one of thepieces, I mean, that you're

(36:48):
touching on is is huge, sevengenerations. And I used to get
really, because I see it withclient over client, all of us
are always doing generationalhealing. Usually, when somebody
has a core in NLP, when somebodyhas a core limiting belief or
limiting emotion, it's 98% ofthe time, it's not from this
life, it's from a lineage pieceor a past life, which those are
really intertwined, in myopinion. But I was asking

(37:12):
spirit, once they get ameditation of why on earth would
we in the constructs of creatingthis world, God or not God,
whatever you believe, why wouldwe choose to have trauma passed
down through generations? Likewhy on earth would we do that to
us, I don't want to pass pass myshit down to my kids. And I was
shown that when you find thegifts, because usually in order

(37:32):
to unlock it, you find thebeauty and what's underneath
what that that trauma thencreated in you, or anyone has
created strength and createdbeauty and created self
awareness and autonomy and somany things that unless you had
that experience you wouldn't nowpossess, right. So when we do
the healing, I was shown that weactually unlock all the gifts
that then get to move forwardalong with the the trauma being

(37:55):
cleared. Now the gifts fromseven generations get
from overwhelm. So then let's dosome math. Should we nerd out
for a second nerd out?
Karen timelines.
So the generation is 20 years?
It was 140 years ago. Okay.
That's what you're looking at.
So 140 years ago, where are weCivil War? Okay, yeah. Just
think about like the average dayin the life of a woman in the

(38:17):
Civil War. Survival. Yeah. Fullon survival. Yeah. Anyone around
the world, you're still dealingwith, like whether or not you
had tons and tons of money, youcould get sick and die because
we don't even have penicillin.
Right? Right. When you look atthe way that modern technology
has literally in the last 100years allowed us to not worry

(38:37):
about things that were dailyhorrors, like people wouldn't
name their babies until theywere two. Yeah. And when I
interesting because they were soafraid of so like, we think
about the, like, 140 years ago,Utah was like just barely
getting settled,and all of that. So it is
fascinating when you think aboutthat,

(38:58):
and how quickly this is why I'msaying when we start using
quantum physics, and you startusing neuroscience, and you
start being able to shut downthe timelines and realize that
in 100 years, we've had aessentially in at least in
America now. Are we at a pointwhere they should be worldwide
already? In my personal opinion,yes. But at least in America,

(39:18):
where for the most part, peoplearen't worrying about whether or
not they're getting Diptheria.
Yeah, right. They're not.
They're not very concerned aboutwhether or not they're going to
have a meal. Now again, poverty,homelessness, hunger, huge
issues, right. But it's not likewhat it was what it was, it
wasn't everybody, because therewas a time where it didn't

(39:38):
matter again, your class, your,like your class and amount.
Okay, yeah, you could get abetter doctor, but certain
things you would just dead,like, right? You're just dead.
Like there was nothing theycould do about it. Right. And
now, there's things we could doabout it. Yeah. So the fact that
our medical technology and thenour Industrial Tech and then

(39:59):
aren't just tech Tech kid wasborn the same year the iPhone
came out and it's like, look atthe they now have flip phones
that are the flat screens right?
Why? This crazy, right? Likejust in our own lifetimes like
I'm 34 and I can't even imaginesome of like when I think about
how I used to rewind tapes witha they were like record my

(40:21):
favorite songs from the radioonto said
tape or make make history orCDs. Yeah, right.
You made your little mixtapehere. I need your mixtape,
right, like, you know, we sendeach other playlists. Like it's
such a fascinating thing torealize, while we're doing that,
yeah. How much trauma? Are wenow like, we don't have time to

(40:45):
just sit on the porch and letourselves process the day,
right? We're not doing ourhealing work. Go look again, at
all of the witches that wereburned. Those were tons of the
midwives that then women werestuck not knowing how to care
for them. There was this likeDark Age of medicine because we
had gotten rid of all of thenatural healers through a fear

(41:06):
paradigm. So now you're comingback into this place where we're
getting that knowledge back, youhave all these New Age, hippie,
crazy people like me, who areusing oils instead of pills and
advocating for cannabis andother plant medicines for two
decades. And now we finally havea promise to hopefully maybe do
something about it. I mean, theexpungement and pardons of only

(41:30):
10,000 people when there's over20 million with a rest records
from simple marijuana chargesjust doesn't impress me. Sorry.
And I just actually saw I don'tknow who it was some I think she
was in the WNBA. They're just inprison for nine years because
she was is it Russia? Yeah, inRussia, I was so heartbreaking
for a marijuana because she'susing it first, they found some
cartridges in her luggage. Andthose are illegal in Russia. So

(41:53):
and in America, we just hadPresident Biden say that he was
pardoning all federal simplemarijuana possessions. That's
6500 People federally, and acouple 1000 More in DC. It's
really not that many people whenyou look at the fact that most
of those simple marijuanacharges are on a state or local
level. So he called thegovernor's he like asked them

(42:15):
real nice if they would do thesame things, essentially. And
then he asked the Department andHealth and Services, Human
Services real nice if they wouldmaybe start looking into the
process of how we could likereschedule it. Yeah. And you
didn't decriminalize cannabis?
Yeah. If you go and look at mostpeople's Instagrams around

(42:36):
October 6, that's what therhetoric was. That's what the
story was. That's what everyonethought was happening. Wow. But
you have to listen to the actualnews brief. So you have to go
one layer further, but we don'thave time. Yeah, we are. That's
what we say. That's what we keeptelling each other. Right?

(42:56):
Right. What fascinates me is ifwe've done all this stuff in the
last 100 years, and then we geta whole bunch of people like
you, me and the people that weknow that are like quantum
entanglement and squashing timeand law of attraction and all of
that stuff. Put them in theseats of government. How quickly
do we get to a place whereeveryone on the planet doesn't
have to be hungry, where no onehas access to clean water,

(43:18):
healthy food, safe shelter, opensource education, and medicine
from east to west, north tosouth, whether it's natural or
synthetic, or muster medicinehas its awesomeness, especially
in emergency situations. Agreed.
But also, I will definitely beputting comfrey root over my
injuries before I'm takingibuprofen probably every time.
Yeah, just because I know thatthe natural medicine works is

(43:43):
this fusion of the ancient andthe future is happening in those
of us who literally before ourvery eyes have watched it
happen. Yeah, because we're thisweird bridge of like, weird. The
90s were weird. The 80s wereweird, right? Well, even

(44:07):
though I mean, just the thingswe've been through the last few
years that did I mean, speakingto time, I mean, we have been in
such a generation of Go, go, go,go go. You know, you got to work
hard to get the things thatyou're wanting. And then we were
all forced to slow down. Yeah.
And really, and what happenedwhen we slow down, we actually
start and more people now areleaving religion and leaving

(44:29):
different constructs that theychose into because they had time
to actually go Wait, do Ibelieve that this is true
anymore? Right. And I it isreally interesting. I think that
the busy mind the busyness ofthe world is another construct
to actually keep us from knowingour own selves and what we want.
Oh, yeah. And alsojust realizing that like,
they're like I say all the timeCOVID killed all the bad

(44:52):
marriages. I'm so grateful. Sograteful that I got to spend
that time because it's a we'regoing through another layer Are
these eclipses? Oh yeah, no,totally. It's giving us the next
layer of like probably all theattachment stuff that maybe you
didn't even really fullyprocessed before but during for
me at least, it took me like,not even a full month of

(45:13):
lockdown before I got the like,hit from spirit, like the reason
why your business is not goingthe way you want it to is
because you have to get adivorce. And I literally threw
up. And I was like, what? Yeah,in the why, right? Well, I can
tell you why. Because here weare two years later, I've gone
through I don't even know howmany ego deaths and versions of

(45:35):
dark nights ofDid you see my story do I don't
know if you're one of the onesthat commented I don't know how
many more dark nights of thesoul I've got in me and it was
me.
I was like, and so they're stillthere because like I keep seeing
it. Well, it's been intense. Itwill really it was an that like
I spiraled it out. And it wasliterally like my daughter's

(45:57):
birth five years ago, wouldprobably be like the biggest
like, yeah, unassisted homebirth, her umbilical cord
snapped on exit, like, raisedthe initiation. And here I am
five years later, understandingthe the energetic, emotional,
mental and physicalramifications of doing that as a

(46:19):
woman in the 21st century,because less than 1% of births
in us are already home births.
And less than 1% of those birthsare unassisted. Wow. And most of
the time, it's exactly thesituation that I had where like
it wasn't planned that it wasn'texisted. It's like you're
driving in the car on the way tothe hospital or your midwife is
15 minutes away because sheremembers your other tubers took

(46:39):
over 24 hours so she thinks shehas time to go to the birth
pool. Now did not. Right. But itsnapped something in my psyche.
Oh, I can imagine it was likeyou can do that. You You are
built for so much so much. Butyou go and you have a

(46:59):
conversation again love my exhusband to death. I've known him
for 22 years. We have threegorgeous children together.
We'll never never have a badthing to say about him. He's the
same person, though. Yeah, he'strying you can see it. But he
hasn't had a snap. He hasn't hadsomething so big. That made him
think hmm, I wonder if it is me.

(47:26):
And the reason why is even assomeone who didn't play the
religion game is very atheist isvery like Zen Buddhist, I am God
because when I die you all goaway.
My world then dies.
sort of thing. Yeah, it has beenfor as long as I've known him.
He he played the game of thepatriarchy anyone. And what I

(47:48):
mean by that is he was raised bya single mom in a trailer park
in the Midwest, bounced aroundfrom onts to to granny or
whatever. Well, mom worked hervarious jobs. dad left when he
was three mom left when she washe was 10 and then came and got
him again left again when he was1518. We drawn together Yeah,

(48:09):
grand old time with our honestsituations. And then but now
until I left happily marriedthree kids owns a house in the
nice part like suburbs of SaltLake City like the good part of
the town. Houses cars has a sixfigure job. He won in his
psyche. He went from a no nothintrailer park boy to the to

(48:32):
having a six figure job owninghis house having three kids like
holy shit. And in a lot of wayshe did. I mean, that is quite a
major. The American dream I justsaid it the fact that he works
for someone else is irrelevantbecause he loves his job. Yeah,
right. The only thing that wouldmake it more American would be
if he had his own business,right? He's a projector in human

(48:52):
design being his own boss is notnot his does not his thing. But
he really loves his job in techand like has always he always
has, right so it's like, how howcan I be mad at that? Ya know
what I mean? That's that's whereI had to finally get on all of
it. Whether it be politics orreligion or my marriage or my

(49:14):
friends narcissistic ex likeanything, because how can you be
upset when they were given aconstruct? Follow the rules. And
they won the game?
And if that's what if that's howthey want to live to be happy,
great. And coming from a placeof love of radical love for the
self. It's like I love you and Ican't keep doing Yeah,

(49:38):
that's why I had to walk awayand when I walked away, like my
three kids still live with himmost of the time yeah, they I
see them as much as I can againbeautiful relationship get to do
all sorts of things that otherpeople don't. But that was me.
Yeah. When I was showing up,like meals out straight for the
jugular he went straight backfor it. Yeah, of course

(49:59):
everything again. that goes intothat react showed up was how he
showed up. So when I decided,You know what we're gonna be
learning each other's livesforever. We should be friends.
Now we're friends. And that'sbut that was me. That was my
power. I'm the feminine. I'm theone that creates, yeah, the
masculine, penetrates themasculine puts the sperm in

(50:19):
there, but then the womanincubates. Yeah, the moment of
birth, that's a masculineaction, because you're taking
like a big push. Yeah. Beforehow much time in between, like
you said, we were all forced toslow down. You look at the
education system, so manyteachers quit. Now, so many
teachers quit. So many peoplestarted to homeschool. They
opened up private tutoringcompanies and are making bank.

(50:41):
They became tick talkers andhalf of my tic tock account. Oh,
like our teachers. Yeah, buteither laughter still in it
trying to bring awareness. Andit's this. I mean, tick tock,
like, can we just come on? We'llmake ridiculous amounts of I
know, it's really fascinatingnoun. And it's like, it's not, I

(51:06):
have a theory. And it's a littleharsh. But as the people who we
will consider boomers die off,we've already done the work
there. I don't think that ourchildren are going to be dealing
with the seventh generationsituation. I hope that's why
we're doing it right with us,because we're watching it. And

(51:27):
it's just, it's ludicrous,right? You think you look at
some of the things that you'reright. It's ludicrous that she
just chops off the ends of theham. Like, how much ham? Is she
throwing away? Maybe her pan isdouble the size? Right? But
that's just how it's just howmom did it. It's just her
grandma did it. Right? How arewe doing that in our own

(51:48):
psyches? Like I read you and mewe both nerd out. Look at these
books. Like you and I are boththe same when it comes to this.
And there's you know, my book.
Yeah, I'm crazy. But I own halfof them. Yeah, sure. And it's
this level of when we get loudenough, right? When we decide
that our story is our story, itis what it is. But our myth is

(52:09):
one that gets to be like sungfrom the rooftops and like
shouted from the mountain andthey will know my name in the
history book because I did thework. That's Audacity. That's
audacious. That's all the like,well, I don't want to be I don't
want to have power. No, you do.
You're mad because thepatriarchy has it all. You're

(52:32):
mad because a guy can walk inand immediately just declare the
authority in a room? And you'relike that? How does he do it? He
does it because he's a dude.
And that's how they've beentaught. Yeah, to do it. Yeah,
but that whole paradigm isshifting, I want to kind of
circle back on a few things.
One, I love that we're speakingto all of this, because I think
it's so important to reallystart asking the questions,

(52:54):
especially for those that arelistening, that are
deconstructing out of religion,it's not just out of religion,
it is out of constructs in amajor, major way to the point of
what we're speaking to of,you're clearing trauma and
creating generational habits,and programming for seven
generations. And that isfreaking powerful. And something
that is really fascinating forme to witness uncoupling out of

(53:15):
religion, uncoupling out ofrelationships, especially when
there's codependency, especiallywhen it's been home, especially
with whatever will will hit yournervous system. And this is such
a fascinating piece that I don'tfeel like is is spoken to or
taught much of you will have afight or flight response
somatically happened to thephysical body. And so that's a

(53:35):
really interesting piece to beaware of. And usually people
will take that as a sign to stopdoing that thing and all
reality, you're unwinding anddetaching from a system or a
program or relationship that hasbeen so deeply embedded in the
somatics of the physical body,the emotional body, the soul
level. So to have awareness,yeah, this is why like, this is

(53:59):
why I wish that I could workwith all my clients in person
because with all the bodyworkbackground that I have, I do
clear so much physically fromthe body, just giving someone a
massage, even if I'm thinkingabout sitting on the cellular
level on the day, why you go toa body movement class and just
stretching can make you cry, andthere's a

(54:21):
freezing can make you cry, likeintentional breath and
all of these things. So it'slike, there's, there's a few
pieces of that of one when ithappens. An emotional result or
emotional response, takes only90 seconds to hormonally move
through the body. So if you canfeel a feeling and not think,

(54:45):
for that entire 90 seconds, justugly cry or whatever,
I heard seven seconds sometimesit's only it's shorter. I think
it depends on the depth ofemotion that you're hitting,
whatever that pocket is.
It's the I'm saying that Iactual physical like watching a
hormone in the body and adrenalsOkay, adrenal system gland.

(55:07):
sober, sober. No, I love that.
So you have, so a thought willcome in whether it's a
subconscious or consciousthought will come in that
thought will then trigger yourthyroid, your thyroid or your
adrenal to then release ahormone. It takes 90 seconds for
that hormone to run its coursethrough your body. Don't think
another thought during that 90seconds, you won't have another

(55:29):
hormone dump. So if you can justcry, or scream or whatever, for
that full 90 seconds and notcare why you don't activate your
prefrontal cortex,anything into attach and
understand what this is why itis yeah,

(55:49):
you can clear not only will youclear the one but you will clear
layers and layers and layersbecause all of these things that
you have stopped before becauseyou've been like, Nope, that's
not an appropriate thought rightnow or like, why am I thinking
this will be a traumatic thing,they will get out to faster. So
this is why you can have hugeshifts, like I say that you can

(56:10):
have a resurrection in 72 hours.
I mean, my full belief, and I'mworking on creating the program
to prove it. Because once youhave that full, like, hard death
day, yeah, within 72 hours,usually some miracle happens in
people's lives, some crazy thingthat they never thought would
ever happen, starts happening.

(56:31):
And it's because they cried,they rested. They set a new
intention. And then the next daywhen they're about to go get
started. It's already there. Soif someone else calls you first
you get that email, you get theinvitation, like whatever. And
it's only because you get thechance to feel all the things

(56:53):
without caring why Yeah, wespend so long, like why do I
have this belief? Where did itcome from? Like, those are all
important. But once you've builtyour new belief system, once
you've gotten to the point whereyou're like, I know who I am, I
know what I am. I know how Iserve. I'm out of my mind. But
that's okay. Totally okay withit. I really liked myself, you

(57:18):
get to that place and thenphysically, you still have to
purge all of the things thatjust never got out of your body.
Well, they were in there in thecell. They're in all of that.
And when you get to just releasethat in whatever way this is why
ecstatic dance is getting morepopular. Why you have more like

(57:39):
read rooms? Come on. You do nothave read rooms five years. No,
we did not. Let's be honest, wedid not have any dreams five
years ago. Those things all area result of us all getting stuck
in our houses for two years.
Yeah. And being like, I have allthese feelings. And I didn't
know they're easy. Trying tofigure out why they are there.

(58:02):
Yeah. But instead, you canshortcut them by just letting
them out letting you feel thething. When that random thought
about how like, Creed cringy youwere in ninth grade just
randomly hits when you're liketurning on the turnpike. And you
have no idea why it hate you.

(58:24):
Instead of thinking, why am Ithinking that? Yeah, just be
like, and just feel the cringejust like relive the memory and
breathe, breathe through it andbe like, Wow, and almost welcome
it in. Like, right, becausethat's how we set a repelling
inner child healing to innerteenager heal. Yeah. Because
when we can heal our innerteenager and we stop the mass

(58:47):
rebellion that's going on.
That's That's why nobody wantsto take seats in government.
Right? That's the reason whywhen I try to talk to my
multimillionaire spiritual womenwho make ridiculous amounts of
money, it practically in theirsleep. They're not even thinking
about politics until I startsaying something. Yeah, because

(59:07):
then it's just so far removed.
What 2001 You go through theObama era, like all Trump, like
everything is just like, No,we're not. We know. We don't
engage in politics. And thenit's like, right, but you want
your new Earth commune you wantto have this beautiful space.
You want to be able to teachpeople this, like all the things

(59:28):
that you want, are not happeningwhen the National Guard can
literally come in and shut youdown and look at the OSHA
documentary is right like the ifyou get big enough and loud
enough, the government will stopyou. And they will do so or so
by sending in those brave tomake us free.

(59:50):
By not allowing you to actuallybe your freedom
versus go start going to yourcity council meetings. Go run
for city council go run forOffice go lobby legislation,
like here in Utah, we have apsychotherapy bill that is not
acceptable. Each V 137, Ibelieve it is. They're trying to

(01:00:10):
lump all psychotherapy of allkinds into one task force and
think that it's going to beokay. And people who are using
ketamine therapy or psilocybintherapy are getting lumped in
with those who are just usingtalk therapy, like, we are not
the same, that's very different.
It's a way for because thehealth department doesn't want
to deal with it. And the JusticeDepartment doesn't want to deal

(01:00:31):
withit. Well, I think that that what
you just said, is actuallypolitics at large for most
people. It is, I've had more eyeopening, when when you think
you're safe, there's no reasonto actually question your
government, because we haven'thad a reason to because we've
been really blind to it. This isone of the beautiful things
about when we have gone throughthe COVID era. And just with
where we're at in politics, andit's caused all of us to awaken

(01:00:55):
to a place of, hey, wait aminute, what do I actually know
about government politics? Forme, it was very little, because
I always I never voted, Ialways, I never believed that I
my vote mattered. And I've hadso much more awareness, but even
the things that you're speakingto is so sometimes when you dive
into politics, it's sooverwhelming, you don't even
know where to start, right. Andso I've been grateful that I now

(01:01:18):
I'm getting to know more andmore people like you like other
people that are out there thatare really vocal about what is
happening. Granted, everybodyhas their viewpoints of how they
see and and so their passionswith it. Right. But you know,
for me,that's why I've been working on
just like creating the system,within global Gladiators, which
is like, thing that I'm doingright now the one year

(01:01:41):
mastermind for entrepreneurs andCEOs that want to figure that
out. Yeah, it's like the first.
The first bit of it is very likecivics one on one like, yes,
there's mindset work. There'sall these other things, but it's
very, like, I kept playing theSchoolhouse Rock song like I am
a bit on top of it.

(01:02:02):
Because that's I don't know thatthey know that. That's so
yeah, Schoolhouse Rock. I'm surea bunch of people on the podcast
just laughed, and the other halfhave like no idea what we were
talking about. It's fine. Butthere was like, you know, they
taught very simply how a billgets passed. But your bill can
die in so many different places.
And if the person who is thespeaker of the house or is the

(01:02:23):
Senate majority leader doesn'twant to talk about it, it will
just never get talked about. Soyour ability to be extremely
just personable, like you haveto own your brand to a whole
nother level because now you'rebeing scrutinized. Plus you're
trying to back legislation, plusthey're in your personal life.

(01:02:46):
Right? The all the things youthought were gonna be okay, when
you build a business, you'relike, well, I could lose my
entire business if I go do thisthing. So the mindset comes in.
But the fear of having no ideahow to do it is what I see more
of like, I just want a PDF, whenpeople go and download a free
PDF of just like, how does abill become a law? Yeah, and the

(01:03:07):
amount of people that downloadthat is like kind of ridiculous
to me, becauseI don't think it's ridiculous. I
like I said, most people have noidea. No clue. Yeah. And because
we're not needed to understandthat's
why it's ridiculous. Like, I'mdriving around seeing Sam
Alliance and freaking re votefor him for house or

(01:03:28):
representative and Sandy, right.
And I'm remembering 10 yearsago, when my friend ran against
him, and said, like houses toevery two years. So this dude
every two years for the lastdecade has been the elected
House representative for Sandycity. Why? Because he's got an
insane amount of money. And forevery one sign anybody has ever

(01:03:50):
been able to put out againsthim. He's got 15 He's got
brothers, he's got people, he'sgot a church, all sorts of ways
that the government in Utah isall sorts of mixed up in things.
Because they only play withtheir own teammates, right? And
so, but you start telling peoplethat and they start being like,

(01:04:12):
that's not okay. Right? We justdon't know until we know it's
right. So now that's why like,my mission is now like, okay,
the dragons, all themetaphysical things I've been
learning for the last four or512 20 years of my life. 30
years of my life is really toget people to understand like,
you want to change the world.

(01:04:35):
You need to change the rules,and the change the world rules
you need to become a rule maker.
Yeah, you don't get or evenunderstand the rules and what
your part is in it and how youcan influence it
and understanding like evensimple things like everyone
says, Don't vote third party inthe presidential election. Well,
the reason why you do vote thirdparty is because if any party

(01:04:57):
over gets over five I've percentof the presidential vote during
any year, that party then getsaccess to national funding for
their party. The issue is, isthat you've got about 15 to
about 15 candidates for all thedifferent parties on various

(01:05:19):
ballots. But the only threeparties for the last four
presidential elections that havebeen on all 50 states, so that
President actually had a chanceof winning was the Libertarian
Party. Libertarian has a badbrand, okay, they do not have a
good brand. I'm aware, it's notgreat. But if they just fixed

(01:05:39):
their branding, and they wouldget more votes, because they,
they have to show like the GreenParty's never been on a ballot
where enough people even ifeverybody in the state, voted
for that person could actuallyconceptually become president.
These little things, just littlethings that people can
understand like, No, we couldchange the whole world the next

(01:06:02):
election by everyone actuallyvoting for the party that they
actually wanted to instead ofjust busting up between the two,
because the reason why they'regetting all the funding is
because nobody else votes forthe third parties. You could
have in one election. YouAmerica go from a two party
system to an eight party system.
On all the people who don'tvote, all the people who are

(01:06:24):
like, Yeah, I voted for Hillary,but that's because I couldn't
stand Trump like my 92 year oldgrandfather voted for Gary
Johnson in 2016. last vote heever cast. He was a Republican,
up until that point, but heliterally could not bring
himself to vote for DonaldTrump. Yeah, so he vote for the
libertarian,and he didn't really know who it
was probably he just didn't wantto vote for the other guy.

(01:06:45):
And he just in will know, I satwith him. And I explained to
him, libertarianism was actuallypretty good. And as long as he
didn't have an issue with thegays, I thought we were okay.
And he was all like, oh, I don'thave an issue with the gays. You
know, there were some otherthings but like, that was it. I
was like, here are some of thethings that you might not agree
with grandpa. Yeah, it's like,oh, those aren't that big a

(01:07:06):
deal. Right. But he was so like,he had been a lifelong
Republican. Yeah. And couldn'tdo it. Well, most of those
lifelong Republicans just didn'tvote.
Yeah. Yeah. Because they canprobably bring themselves to
vote for either. Meanwhile,though, we have a president in
office right now. That's like Ivisited all 54 states, like the

(01:07:27):
things that cut I'm just like,how, how, how has this happened?
Yeah, it's fascinating,but it's doing it in a way and
at a time that like, the boomersare dying. Like, it's sad. And I
know we can have a wholeconversation about grief and
losing our grandparents and ourand our parents. And also, like,
we haven't continued that, youknow, more. Over 54% of

(01:07:50):
millennials make their averageincome from being a freelancer.
Fascinating. Yeah, they don'teven have real jobs, right. So
like, my ex boyfriend came to meand was like, You need to get a
real job caring. And I was like,why he started spouting all this
stuff. And I'm like, You soundjust like my grandfather. And
what what is a real job, havinganother person be my boss,

(01:08:13):
anything, anything that's apaycheck, where it could be on
the first and the 15th I get apaycheck that is provable and
taxable. So that if we were tothis was like us having a
conversation about possiblymoving in together. And it's
like, I'd have to prove that Ican make money on certain days
at certain times to pay thebills, when I make more. But

(01:08:33):
yeah, you're right, I don't havea fifth and 20th paycheck,
right? I get paid. Allthroughout the course of the
various ways, in various ways,or simple things like
manifestation. Having a house tolive in, that I'm not currently
paying rent at, because it's afriend's home was like highly

(01:08:54):
triggering to this very smartsales rep. That I was dating.
Like, also, I'm very discerningso if you get to date me, it's a
privilege. And I'm just beingfascinated by these, these 1940s
belief structures coming out ofhis mouth. When it came to like,
we have to split everything.

(01:09:18):
It's gonna be hard. This is howit has to get done. You need to
get a job like this is what itis. And it's like, but do you
want to go look at my my let'sgo look at my finances right
now. Let me pull up myQuickBooks for you. So you can
see that I'm already doing that.
But without the boss and withoutthe nine right? Well, it's not
about finances. Oh, sounds likeit's about its senses.

(01:09:38):
Well, all of the things thatyou're speaking to her safety
and that I think is emptyand it's all construct and it's
all based on why am I thinkingthe things that I'm thinking on
this and I'm gonna circle backbecause and we're hitting we
need to probably wrap up here ina minute. But I love that you
spoke to that moment of havingyour daughter of like something

(01:09:59):
broken you If I could do this,what else can I do? Because when
part of our constructs have beencreated in an illusion of safety
and the reason why we act fromdo anything, dysfunction or
functional comes from whateverwe have created in our somatic
and our belief system and ourwhatever that has taught us that

(01:10:20):
oh, well, it's kept us safe,even if it's shitty, even if
it's dysfunctional. That hasbeen your safety. So you'll
continue to create it until youstart asking the questions. Step
out of this and go Holy shit,what else am I capable of? Oh,
and my physical body is going tohave a response to that's okay.
That's okay. We're deprogrammingon all levels, especially this
idea, their level and especiallyin epigenetics. And looking

(01:10:44):
at organs and what all thosedifferent things mean. I mean, I
love being able to know thatlike, oh, I having this
response. What is this organrepresent? Oh, I had this huge
epiphany yesterday, of course,my guts are kind of mad because
I'm letting go and assimilating.
That's what my guts areliterally for
lungs represent grief. Likethey're all the organs do. They
have theirthings can use fear and all that
and something that you weresaying about whether they're

(01:11:07):
functional, dysfunctional, justreally quick, it's really
fascinating when you realize themoment of if you're raised in a
very fight or flight orientedtrauma state all the time. The
idea of a calm, steady life isterrifying. It's scary. And so
you will create you willcontinuously create high levels
of fight or flight until yourealize like until you make the

(01:11:32):
conscious choice, that calm issafe. Yeah. But becoming safe
and calm. When we don't have asociety that's calm, is now that
next level, we have to create aplace that is more nurturing to
peoples coming out of thesecrazy shells that they've been

(01:11:56):
in and having somewhere to catchthem in a way that is like, I
want to YMCA for healingcenters. Do you know what I
mean? So that we can just veryeasily you don't have to look
into it. You don't have to? Likewhere's the Yelp for healers?
Where's the like new, like NewEarth directory essentially, is
what I've been calling it?

(01:12:19):
Well, I thought, especially forwhat I had personally been going
through the last six months, ifI didn't have the tools and the
resources of knowing what Iknow, good God, I don't know
where I'd be right now. And Ithink that often to what you're
saying to what I'm saying, witheverybody that's listening, you
don't know what you don't know.
And we're being pushed in a waywe have never been pushed. And
so that's why there are those ofus that Karen and myself and so

(01:12:41):
many others that have developedthese, we get to reach out to
healers to people who can helpcatch us and teach us. Oh, yeah,
this is okay that you feelscared as shit, because you're
asking to have somethingdifferent in your life than than
you've ever asked. So it's goingto trigger so many pieces within
you and you will probably try tokeep creating self destruct,

(01:13:02):
you'll have self destructbuttons all over the place. To
your point of if you were raisedin a highly traumatic state,
you'll continue to create thathighly traumatic state, because
that was oddly your safety.
Yeah. Andthere's no reason why. And with
all of that, just coming intothis, like acceptance, right,
the place that I've beenhelping, most of my clients move

(01:13:24):
from is no longer from sufferingto healing, but from this
healing to co creation orhealing to thriving, of like,
okay, I get to go heal somethings, you get to go do this
experience, I get to have thiscrazy six week. Oh, my gosh, I
could write a whole novel on it.

(01:13:44):
And at the end of it, it stillis what it is. What did I learn?
And where's that continuing topush me and that's why having a
huge, audacious, ridiculousgoal, like being President of
the United States makes all ofthe unwinding that we've been
referring to. Just a littleeasier, I think, yeah. When I

(01:14:06):
have clients that have like,just little goals, they, when
they're going through it,they're going through it and
it's not my place to dislike.
Right, but when I've the onesthat are like, I'm going to be
an Emmy Award winning, right,yeah, big things. When we go
through it. It's like, okay,this is because I'm wanting to
get here. So of course I would,yeah, worse.
I'm gonna have to go through it.
So that's what like, I wouldleave anybody with anything on

(01:14:29):
this Halloween night. It's like,dream a little bigger. What is
the biggest dream you can dream?
And then go back to the basicsof quantum physics. If you can
think it already exists. Yeah.
And then just start like beingthat person. Now. How can I be
the president now? Well, I cancome to a podcast interview. I

(01:14:50):
can do this. I can do that.
Right. How can I be amultimillionaire now? Yeah, I
can be reading books. I can dothat. Like there are things you
can can do now do the most ofthem to the best of your ability
now, and it makes all of the thestuff from your past the things
that you right now cry and rantand rave and are so hard.

(01:15:15):
So there's a reason. Yeah,you can tell the same story and
have no emotional charge throughit. Because you let yourself
grow rapidly instead of sittingin anything. Yeah. Oh, once I
figured, okay, move on. Oh, I amblocked that belief and move on.
Let's go into actions. Theactions are going to be the

(01:15:36):
things that continue toreemphasize the actions are the
key. Yeah, because that's whereyour soul, your muscle memory,
all of that stuff comes in. AndI love that you brought up the
dreaming piece and I agree withyou have big dreams. And
actually, even if you don't knowwhat a big dream is, have some
thing that your mind your spirityour energy is working towards.
Because if you don't, and thenyou don't have anything, you

(01:15:58):
don't know where you're going,then you won't be taking any
actions because you have no ideawhere the hell you're going.
The easiest place for me, evenmy friends, the clients that
have no idea. Well, what did youwant to be when you grew up?
Yeah, start there. And even ifit was a ballerina astronaut,
screw it. Go take a balletclass, go pick up astrophysics

(01:16:18):
for Dummies by Neil deGrasseTyson, right? Like, there are
ways for you to start. And do Ithink at 48 You're going to end
up a ballerina astronaut at theInternational Space Station. But
what an adventure, right, right,what and how fun, right? And how
many people you'll meet? Andwhat will you end up creating?
Yeah, in the meantime, you'rereally an artist, maybe you're

(01:16:40):
really all these other things,right? Just do it. Well,
I would love to offer thelisteners that thing that you
mentioned, I want to make sureto get the link that little how
to mate. How's it Bill created?
Yeah. And then you just coauthored a book. I'll link that
what was the name of the thetitle of the book? Magdalene
code. Sweet. Yeah. So I'll makesure and link that so people can
have access to that. And thenthey can just

(01:17:03):
find me at heart when heartheart womb. I love it.
Leadership leadership.comAnd then I'm the only Karen
terrorists on the planetwith a Si. Si Si or
T E R. I didn't exist until2009. So I'm actually the only

(01:17:24):
one that has ever exist. Howinteresting is that? I love it.
I mean, that's beautiful. Saidhistory books maybe.
Yeah, heartworm. leadership.com.
And I'll yeah, I'll definitelymention all this in the show
notes. Oh, my gosh, it's been sofun. Yes. I love our
conversation. We always counsel.
I know. And this was this isdefinitely I you know, I did not

(01:17:46):
think we'd be talking aboutpolitics. Although I don't know
why I didn't think that that isso much a part of you. Yeah. But
we definitely went someinteresting places. But I feel
like all of this is reallyuseful information and really
helpful and very supportive.
Because I don't care who youare. We're all feeling the
energies that are happeningright now. And, and it's a good
call to hey, you're not alone inthis be there are resources,

(01:18:06):
there are tools, you know, andreach out, find somebody to
assist you and walking throughthis because we don't have to do
this alone.
Right? Social, I think thepandemic is really the thing
that prove that to us. Like youhave social media for a reason.
Start adding, like, even mydaughter's homebirth. I had
Facebook groups. Yeah, donormilk moms for all of that, like

(01:18:30):
those resources exist. Yeah. Butyou have to be willing to reach
out to ask for it. And you won'tuntil you start really writing
down. Like I'm saying, yeah, andof every night. What were the
thoughts that I was thinking,and why was I thinking those
thoughts? Just start there. Andin seven days, your whole life

(01:18:51):
can be different?
Well, and my other thing I'd addto that with thoughts that I
often do with my clients isasking that thought, Is it even
true? Is this true? Yeah, ninetimes out of 10 that that's not
even true. It's just an oldprogram that's trying to come
back in like whereit came from? Yeah, those
things. Yeah. It's a funexercise.
Yeah. I love it. Love it. I loveit. Well, thank you. Thank you
for spending time with me today.
You're just amazing. Wasn't thata fascinating conversation? I

(01:19:13):
love it when I have guests thatcome in. And the conversation
just leaves itself and mostinterviews are like that, and
some are more more in that waythan others. And I did not
expect that we talked aboutpolitics. I didn't expect that
we talked about the Astros andthe energies that are up and saw
one and and so many things inthis podcast was one of those
that I definitely enjoyed andI'm sure that you did as well.

(01:19:36):
To connect more with Karen headto her website heart womb
leadership.com. I will link herfree offering down below in the
show notes as well as the booksthat she has co created. And so
you can connect deeper with herif you desire. And then again,
just a reminder to head to mywebsite Amanda joy loveland.com
forward slash elevatedmastermind to go join this group

(01:20:00):
that starting November 27. Thisis an offering I will never do
at this price. Again, this iscrazy cheap, but it really fills
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tools with how to get to whereyou're wanting to go, how to
move through some of thediscomfort, this disease, dis

(01:20:21):
ease in the body, and really tohone more and more of your
skills. And then there's a lotof business things that are
going in, I don't know how muchof you know about my background.
But besides being an NLP andshamanic practitioner, and doing
the one on one coaching, I comefrom a background of running a
Corporation, a company for over12 years of my life. So I have a

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(01:21:05):
lean in you step in and you joinus head to my website, Amanda
Joy loveland.com. Forward slashelevated mastermind.to Join
today. And with all of that, asalways know that you're not
alone. And that we are all hereto support each other and where
you can step into community stepinto community. Don't allow for

(01:21:26):
your fears to Trump and totriumph. Moving into places that
feel uncomfortable and discoverand have discomfort. Step in.
Find your community. Find yournetwork. It's out there,
especially when we leavereligion. We're looking for that
on such a deep, deep way. Sostep out, see where you can
connect deeper with people andfind find your new tribe.

(01:21:47):
They're out there, I promise youand you're not alone. Thank you
for joining me today. Sendingyou all so much love

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