September 11, 2025 • 33 mins
The shooting of Charlie Kirk sends shockwaves through American political discourse, revealing uncomfortable truths about how we process violence when it strikes close to home. Within minutes of the attack, videos spread across social media platforms with unprecedented speed—former President Trump announced Kirk's death before many news outlets had confirmed it. The tragedy takes on a disturbing dimension as we learn about an emerging pattern: killers writing messages on ammunition as part of their manifestos, creating a macabre subculture that feeds on notoriety and imitation.
Perhaps the most striking aspect of this conversation is the painful irony surrounding Kirk's own words. He previously stated that "if a few people get shot every year to maintain our protected Second Amendment rights... that's just the cost of doing business." This statement forces us to confront difficult questions about accountability in political rhetoric. When public figures normalize violence as an acceptable cost for ideological positions, what responsibility do they bear when that violence eventually touches them directly? While no one deserves to be a victim, there's a legitimate conversation about the relationship between inflammatory rhetoric and real-world consequences.
Meanwhile, the world continues spinning beyond our borders. Israel's strike on Qatar under the pretense of peace negotiations, Nepal's youth-led revolution toppling their government through TikTok-organized protests, and Russia's drone incursion into Polish airspace all signal a world where boundaries are increasingly being tested. These developments, coupled with advances in quantum technology that could revolutionize warfare by making submarines detectable through magnetic signatures, remind us that even as domestic tragedies capture our attention, the global landscape is shifting in ways that demand our vigilance.
What responsibility do we bear for the words we speak and the culture we create? Join us as we navigate these complex waters and search for meaningful answers in a world where violence increasingly feels normalized. Subscribe now and become part of a conversation that matters.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
face.
My name is Adam Gillard.
I am your co-host, along herewith Dick Wilkinson.
How you doing, dick?
Good morning, adam Doing well,all right.
Left face is the Pikes PeakRegions political podcast from a
veteran's point of view.
Today we're going to jump rightinto it and start talking about
.
You know, the big elephant inthe room, as Dick called it,
(00:22):
charlie Kirk, got shot yesterday.
It was crazy how quickly thevideos.
One thing my wife mentioned waslike his kids are going to see
all those videos and everythinglike that it was horrific seeing
it it was.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
And yes, the news spread so fast, like faster than
the normal burn on social media.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
I heard somewhere that Trump was like the first
one.
He was the first one toannounce his death, which is
crazy, yeah, because it wasalmost simultaneous that
netanyahu mentioned somethingabout his death also.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Oh, yeah, yeah so I mean, uh, I knew that charlie
kirk had got shot.
I had already saw some, youknow, within.
It was fast, right, like lessthan from the time he got shot.
Then that news news brokewithin minutes, two, three
minutes, it seemed like.
And then what?
25, 30 minutes later, donaldTrump announced that he had died
to you know like one of hispersonal security detail or
(01:27):
somebody that was there on sitewith his manager like his you
know his event manager that goesout and sets this stuff up.
They must've called them rightaway I'm assuming it was
somebody that was in the carwith him on the way to the
hospital because they had thatlevel of knowledge of what was
going on.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Well, I mean, after seeing that video, there's no
way of surviving.
Oh no, you know, even if thathappened, like in an ER, like
surrounded by surgeons, likeyou're probably not surviving
that.
Yeah, just absolutely horrificthat you know again.
You know political violence.
You know we don't know who'sdone it.
The person's still on the huntfor the FBI, still on the hunt.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
But yeah, I mean we have a and still on the hunt for
the FBI, still on the hunt.
But you know, I mean we have aA trend I heard about this
morning that's coming up in moreand more shootings, that I
guess what's it called themedical CEO, the guy that shot
him, Luigi.
He wrote on the bullets that heused to shoot him and all the
rounds in the magazine had likemessages etched into him so that
(02:25):
his part of his you knowmanifesto basically was what
those bullets meant.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Right it was the defend dispose yeah yeah, and it
had.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Those were terms from how to get rid of a insurance
claim, like how they deny it wasyeah, so uh, anyway, since then
, and again, this is just sickhow this stuff happens.
But the copycat aspect now iswrite messages on your bullets
and then when they find theweapon, and they find the rounds
and everything like, it'll tellpart of your story.
So that happened in this eventas well.
(02:53):
The weapon that they recoveredout of the woods, it had
ammunition in it and ammunitionwas found near it, right, and
all that stuff was marked upwith language that's associated
with the shooter, right, butthey haven't said anything about
what that is.
But it's on trend for, like youknow, I guess, people that are
being radicalized by watchingthings online, that's something
(03:14):
that is basically just become anunderground trend.
Yeah, you know, and so yeah.
It's just, it's so upsettingbecause there's a whole
subculture of young people thatyou know I don't want to say
necessarily some of them glorifythe actions of some of these
people, right, and the fact thatthere could be that there's so
(03:38):
many events, that there's somany tragedies like this, that
there's basically trends for thekillers to follow, right,
tragedies like this, thatthere's basically trends for the
killers to follow, right, likewow, wow, how far away from like
normalcy are, are we?
Speaker 1 (03:51):
that's what's going on yeah, yeah, that you actually
have a large enough pool to topull from and I think you know,
in the us so far this yearthere's been over like 400 mass
shootings, sure, um, evenyesterday, yesterday, there was
one here in Colorado At a schoolyeah, at a school that just got
drowned out.
(04:11):
It's so frustrating becausethis is what we scream about on
the left all the time and youknow we get demonized when we
try to, you know, keep peoplesafe and keep, you know, some of
these guns out of people thatare wanting to harm people.
Yeah, you know, because youknow some of these guns out of
people's that are wanting toharm people.
You know, uh, cause, you know,we just stopped a kid I can't
remember where he was at, but,uh, he had a bunch of uh 3d
printed guns.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
(04:32):
And uh, atf or FBI just stoppedthat one.
Yeah, um, yeah, oh.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
I know which one you're talking about.
Yeah, yeah, it was a studentage person that said had ready
to go and they just stopped himbefore he actually executed the
stuff.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Yeah, and there's a whole culture.
I mean going all the way backto the Columbine one.
You know that was.
You know big here, yeah, wasthat 99?
.
You know, those kids are likeheroes to some of these.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, that's what I'm referring to is that they kind
of started that subculture ofhero worship for, like evening
the score for, you know theperson who's downtrodden in
their mind, right, or thatsociety is like I'll cast them
and then they get to even thescore, yeah.
And so they look to thesesituations where they're
inspired, you know, by otherkillers.
The.
With the Charlie Kirk situationyou know he will address a
(05:25):
little bit you know I don't wantto, I obviously is politically
motivated shooting, no matterwhat.
Like there's no way about it,how this person they could be,
some it could, they could beViva La Revolution from 1960s,
argentina.
Like there's some, I don't knowwho, it is Right, I don't know
if it's American liberal, Idon't know if it's American
liberal, I don't know if it'ssomebody, it's a false flag.
Like you know, there'sconspiracy abound in that.
(05:46):
But we got to address some ofthe.
I'll call it irony that youknow Charlie Kirk was quoted as
saying if a few people get shotevery year to maintain our
protected Second Amendmentrights, like that's, that's just
the cost of doing business.
Freedom is messy, freedom isugly, yeah, and freedom, you
know, may hurt people, yeah, hesaid that.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yeah, and I've heard that echoed with my friends,
Like I was hanging out with aguy who just had his first baby
and I'm holding his son andthere was a school shooting
somewhere and he just said costof freedom yeah, like, dude,
like you have a child now, yeah,like that's going to be going
to these schools and like haveto go through drills, it's
defenseless as well, right.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Like that child is just going to be afraid, with no
way to control or do anythingabout that danger.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Well, and what's crazy is they're not even so
much afraid day to day now, Likethey're so used to it, Like
they'll like crack up and makejokes during the drills and
things like that, and like it'sjust crazy that they the the
weight that we've put on thesekids now.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
But yeah, so the thing for me is um, I want to
let people be responsible fortheir actions, right, like I.
Like, I'm okay withaccountability and
responsibility for your actions.
And saying inflammatory things,those are words, those that's
protected free speech.
Saying inflammatory things,those are words, that's
(07:09):
protected free speech.
I get that.
But the act of inflammingpeople, the act of being brash
and being over the top, right,like you are incensing people on
purpose, right, and that's anact.
That's a verb, right, it's notjust words and it's protected
act.
But if you are, if you're agrown man that is willing to
(07:31):
step out on stage and say somepeople are going to get shot to
maintain this freedom, you haveput your name on that list of
people.
You're willing.
You're willing to be shot toprotect that freedom.
If you see that other peopleare dispensable to protect the
freedom, you are too, yeah,bottom line, right, and so
that's the invitation to.
(07:56):
I'm not saying get shot or bekilled, but if you are espousing
rhetoric that says some peopleare going to get shot to
maintain this freedom, yeah,yeah, then there's some amount
of sympathy or love that is lostwhen that terrible thing
happens to you, from both thebig cultural perspective and
down to the individual level.
(08:16):
You look at somebody and gothere.
There there's someresponsibility or very least
complicitness in the wholesituation of, yeah, people get
shot, and that's just part ofliving in America and saying
we're going to accept that,we're not going to do anything
about it, and that's just partof living in America and saying
we're going to accept that we'renot going to do anything about
it and that's just going to bethe state of play.
Then you're accepting that yourlife is in danger as well, and
(08:39):
so my sympathy ends right thereat that line Of like.
You know, that was your ownmentality of how you view the
world and you want to live inthat world.
So you get to reap the benefitsof the world that you live in,
right?
And that you create andcultivate for yourself.
He cultivated a culture whereI'm not saying people are
encouraged to murder, but thatrampant use of violence is kind
(09:01):
of acceptable, right.
And so you know, that's as faras I want to take my comments on
like his position and hisrhetoric leads to a culture that
he wants to create.
That includes that type ofthing that happened yesterday.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Well, I think, whenever it reaches out and
touches you know, a rich whitedude the reactions are just so
different.
You know, when you look atDonald Trump, put the flags at
half mass.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Yeah, for like a week .
Right, this dude's not agovernment official.
No, he's not elected.
He never has been.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
He's not a billionaire like Trump's, in
love with you know, yeah, but'sfrustrating that when it happens
to you know again a rich whitedude, they, they act like this
and like I've seen so manyvideos of so many you know even
news anchors out there saying,well, this must stop.
And you know this is aridiculous and it's like you
guys are driving this did thefact, that was my big, the fact
(10:06):
that it's on your doorstep now,like there was one uh, I can't
remember if it was arepresentative yeah, yeah yeah,
there was one representativethat said you know that, uh,
there's going to be a revolutionand it'll be bloodless if the
left lets it.
You know so, like they've beensaying these things for years,
yeah, years they've been drivingthis stuff, yeah, and now that
(10:27):
it's on their doorstep, oh, it'sgot to stop.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Yeah, you don't point the guns at us right, I uh, for
me, the, the media, what I saw,I was watching, and, of course,
um news anchors are actors andto some degree, all right,
they're on camera, so they'reputting on an act and the act
man you saw, they're bad actors.
I want to say that they're nottrained at acting, so they're
really, really bad at it whenthey do it right, like Like
(10:51):
really bad, totally see through,totally fake Right.
And so everybody on CNN startedhand wringing and all this is
terrible and blah, blah, sad,sad, cry, cry, cry.
But all of them vehementlyhated Charlie Kirk, right, you
know what?
I'm saying Like really deep downin the private conversation oh,
that guy is divisive, he'sterrible, he's magamouthpiece,
he's, he's you know.
The list of bad things abouthim would have been easily
(11:14):
trotted out at any CNN, you knowevent.
But then the the act.
Oh, senseless killing,political violence, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah.
And they just trotted outcliches for about eight hours.
And I was so disgusted becausethe dishonesty and
disingenuousness of all thosepeople.
They were not being serious,right, like their true feelings
were not on display there, theirtrue thoughts were not being
(11:36):
spoken to the camera and it wasobvious.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
And I was like I'm just disgusted by this right
Like it's always people pullingpunches on from on the left side
, you know, worrying aboutpeople's feelings on the right,
and it's funny how emotionalthey get, you know.
And so you know they try to bekind and nice and they still get
yelled at for because one guyfrom MSNBC got fired.
Did he get fired?
Speaker 2 (11:59):
I knew what happened, yeah.
Then he said you know well.
I mean, he said something thatI thought and texted to my
friend, which is a truestatement of if you spew hate,
you're going to have a lot ofhaters, right.
Like, if you spew hate, peopleare going to hate you, right,
because you become the face ofthat hate that you're talking
about.
Again, this doesn't justifyviolence or harm or being shot,
(12:21):
but if your job is to createhaters, you're going to have a
lot of haters, right.
And that's what the news anchorsaid.
And he got fired.
So now me and Adam, we can'tfire each other.
We're both I don't knownominated by the people.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yeah, so that guy using his First Amendment right
Immediate repercussions.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
And he.
All he said was what everybodyelse at MSNBC wanted to say.
Right, and I'm not getting.
He may have said something thatwas jerky.
Have you ever watched Fox NewsLike it's nothing but jerk city
over there all day, every day.
Yeah, so they don't get fired.
They get bonuses for owning thelibs, right, but if a liberal
person says was really on theirmind, they're going to get
(13:03):
burned at the stake.
Oh, you know, and whatever Iget it, that is how.
That is the difference betweenthe two.
You can go way off the cuffover on the right side of
politics.
That they'll, they'll just kindof let you do it right, right,
you go off the cuff on the leftside and you get extra
ostracized, right, you get kindof ran out, you know don't talk
that way or you're not one of us.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
You get labeled you're socialist or communist so
quickly and you know thosewords still carry so much taboo
for everybody that it's easy toshut people up.
When you start throwing thosewords around, we're on the right
side.
They're like oh, you're afascist.
Well, you know.
You just don't understand whatfascism means.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Yeah, what yeah, right yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
And they started trying to justify it and, like,
rationalize it.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
But they'll make a lot of.
I guess the different, thecultural differences, is that on
the right they'll make a lot ofexcuses and a lot of um, just
like poo poo away.
When a right political figuredoes something that's outside of
the bounds, right and andthere's not a collective like
brow beating that happens,everybody just kind of goes oh
well, you know, he's a grown-upand probably might say something
stupid every now and then.
Yeah, and that's it, they don't, they don't turn their backs on
them as much, right like it'sjust sort of goes.
Oh well, you know he's a grownupand he probably might say
something stupid every now andthen and that's it.
They don't.
They don't turn their backs onthem as much, right Like it's
just sort of.
Yeah, sometimes people saystupid stuff and you're still
pretty much within the fold,right, but it's not that way
(14:21):
over on the blue side.
It's like hey, you know we will.
We will gladly extricate youfrom the group and the right
doesn't do that.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Yeah, I always think about that, al Franken.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yeah, he got railroaded pretty quickly.
He was a solid senator.
So you know, even with theCharlie Kirk situation and the
other shootings here locally,there's still a lot of world
events going on.
That again, one of the tacticsis just wait for the next
distraction.
Yeah, um sure you know recentlywe've had a lot of those this
(14:55):
week uh, yeah, you know, in thelast you know couple more day,
what was it?
Speaker 2 (15:01):
uh, about three days ago it was saturday morning, I
think, is what's today,wednesday?
Yeah, I think that if we'retalking about the israel,
saturday or sunday morning, yeah, so israel struck q.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Israel struck Qatar in Qatar, and Qatar is like the
Sweden, or not the Sweden, theSwitzerland of the Middle East.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
They're the neutral site where the folks go to cause
they can they talk to Iran?
Well, they talk to Saudis, well, um, everybody just kind of
gets along there, or it getslong enough, but but Al Jazeera
is out of there, things likethat.
Yeah, so they're really just aneutral place.
Yeah, and we have, you know,our folks there right outside
(15:36):
Doha at LUD Air Base.
So we have a large presencethere, a lot of folks downtown.
I haven't heard on any kind oflike results of the strike.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Well, the thing you know, as we talk about uh cutter
being open for business, foryou know that that being neutral
and how that leads to thesituation of.
You know, terroristorganizations run their
political headquarters out ofcutter, right.
Taliban's international officesare in cutter and always have
been, since they leftafghanistan during the war, and
now they're back, of course, butthey had offices in Qatar the
(16:11):
entire war of Afghanistan.
Taliban never went away, right.
And so same thing with Hamas.
Hamas has enough money thatthey can rent an office in Qatar
, and guess what that means?
You have a corporateheadquarters, right.
So Qatar is like that, right, Imean they're the Switzerland or
Sweden or whatever.
But but think more pirateisland where you can go escape
(16:33):
with your loot and nobody'sgoing to bother you.
Right, like I see it, more likethat.
You can be shady, you can be acriminal and we'll bring you.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
So that's really what's going on over there is.
That is, that they welcometerrorist organizations to set
up camp because they pay rent,and that's it.
They like money, and I meanthat's why Donald Trump probably
likes him so much, right, he'slike everything's gold plated.
Y'all know how to make money,you know.
And so what happened there andI'll just offer my take on it,
(17:03):
you know, other people thinkthis too, but Israel was
negotiating, you know, trying toget this last bit of hostages
released.
They weren't being genuine inthat they didn't ever have any
intention to really capitulateanything, right, israel didn't
and Hamas doesn't.
They're not really genuineeither, right, like either one
of them actually want to see adiplomatic outcome.
So Israel hemmed and hawed lastweek and was like oh yeah, I
(17:26):
think we're going to, we'reabout to sign the deal.
Like everybody should gettogether.
I think we're about to sign thedeal.
Everybody should get togetherin Qatar and make sure they're
ready to sign the deal, and thenonce everybody got together
they blew them up.
They did, they did.
They absolutely baited them togo there for a summit and then
(17:46):
they were like, hey, basicallythey got into the signal chat
with Pete and they were like,hey, make sure you're on the
third floor at 10 o'clock,that's when we're going to sign
all the papers Right, and thenthe 10th floor just got, you
know, smoked.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Is there anything specifically in the Geneva
Convention on that?
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Like Israel, probably didn't sign it and doesn't care
.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Internationally with impunity, never, no questions
asked.
They go all over the world andsmoke people and don't.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Yeah, nothing happens , yeah, so they're not gonna
start worrying aboutinternational criminal law right
now well, you know, curiosityto me, you know, because, like
we do it too, you would thinkyou were under truce conditions.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Though you know, like again cutter is a gray zone
when it comes to internationalstuff.
Right, and we blow up stuff inother countries all the time
without permission and noquestion.
Again, no questions asked.
The thing takes off from europe, flies all the way over to
africa, blows something up andflies back to europe, doesn't
even make the news, you know.
(18:47):
So yeah, um, I, this is.
This is fair play, man.
There's no real internationaloutcry.
And the thing for me is Cutterwas like hey, don't do that.
And then they said you ruinedyour chance of getting the
hostages back.
No, they didn't.
There was never a chance ofgetting the hostages back.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Yeah, I think everybody was just kind of
bluffing each other on that.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yeah, yeah, and Cutter being this weird arbiter
in the middle that has no skinin the game.
But they're clearly on Hamas'side, right?
Yeah, they just are right, Likethey're definitely more
interested in supporting Hamasthan they are any progress with
Israel.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
So yeah, I could definitely.
They're more.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Arabic.
They're Arabic people, right.
I mean, like the Palestinianconnection there to them is
culturally, it makes more sense,right?
And so if they're going to befair, you know, gamesmen,
they're still always going toheavily lean towards Hamas
versus anything Israel wants tobring to the table, right?
So that's why Israel is like wedon't care, we'll blow
everything up over there, wedon't care, and guess what's not
going to happen.
America's not going to happen.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
America's not going to tell us to stop doing it, so
we're just going to keep doingit and that's what I keep
telling people is, when Israelgets struck against and they
face that existential crisis,they're not afraid to launch
their nukes.
They will turn that entireplace to glass before they give
up any kind of territory.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
I agree, they would smoke off every nuke before they
would cease to exist.
Yeah, yeah, if that was theirdeath cry, they would do it
Right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
So yeah, people don't understand the mindset that
they have over there where, likeyou said, that they'll just go
do it.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Yeah, they're operating with impunity as far
as they're concerned.
Right, I mean, they've hadattacks in Syria, iran,
basically every country aroundthere.
At this point, they've killedsome leaders in you know.
So they did the same thing.
The US response was very minor.
You know, donald Trump sent outa you know truth tweet, was
(20:42):
like that's not cool, butapparently they told him right,
like before it happened.
Yeah, they were like, hey,we're gonna blow these guys up
and like, of course, the usdidn't say anything right okay,
that's fine yeah, so um.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Another thing that uh is going on in the news
worldwide is nepal, their primeminister, getting chased out.
Have you been?
Speaker 2 (21:02):
I just saw, uh, one or two headlines yesterday, but
didn't really get to dig into it.
Yeah, what's going on there?
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Like the videos that are coming out.
Are you know?
People stormed the financeminister's house, chased him out
into the street, beaten him.
The prime minister was gettinghis butt whooped by some
protesters, and what's weird isI keep calling it a Gen Z
protest, which I just think isstrange.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Oh, it was young people that were out on the
streets.
That was the headline I saw.
I was like how did the youngpeople get convinced to go to
the streets?
I mean TikTok, of course, right, right.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Yes, the palaces, though, are on fire.
They did a revolution.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
A real revolution.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Yeah, they actually overthrew their government there
and strip-livestreamed it.
It was kind of crazy.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yeah, there, um, and strip live streamed it.
Yeah, it was kind of crazy.
Yeah, yeah, that is true, umand the.
Uh, I'm not sure what was.
What was the initial reason forthat right like?
Is it just lack of faith in thegovernment?
Was the government?
Speaker 1 (21:58):
corrupt.
Yeah, the way that it startedat the finance ministers I'm
thinking something there, yeah,like they.
Just, if it was like a, youknow, a housing crisis situation
, yeah, where we had a thegovernment kind of put us on a
take it money, right, yeah, so Idon't know the cause of it, but
it seemed just.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Yeah Well, from the civil unrest side, trump a few
weeks ago.
So he started the cleanup DCyou thing, and then he was like
I would never go to dinner in DC.
It's just vagrants andcriminals shooting each other,
bleeding everywhere, right.
And he's like that's not true,yeah.
But then he said we're going toclean up the streets and then
I'm going to go have dinner intown.
(22:38):
Right, Like why?
Why even you have the whitehouse?
Like no president ever justgoes and catches dinner out in
town that's not a thing.
Right, Like no president everjust goes and catches dinner out
in town that's not a thing.
And so he made a stunt out ofit.
It was a hundred yard walk.
And then the protesters werethere, and so as much as he
thought, oh, the National Guardis just there, no protesters
(22:59):
would ever come.
I'm surrounded by SecretService and National Guard.
I'm in a perfect bubble.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
They were already in the restaurant.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
They were there when he got there, you know.
So, yeah, it's just, I love it.
You know that, like, even withall of that, thousands of troops
, and you still got heckled.
Yeah, the second you steppedout of your house you still got
heckled, because that's legaland there's no amount of
soldiers that are going to stoppeople from heckling you.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
You know what I'm saying and I can't remember what
they were yelling at him.
It was something disgusting,you know, like Epstein related
or something like that Like hekind of like danced with it.
Did you see that?
Oh no, I didn't see that.
Yeah, where, like he kind oflike he was like bopping along
with it.
Yeah, he, until he has any kindof accountability, he thinks
(23:49):
it's all a joke.
Yeah, you know, it said thatthe, uh, the Epstein files,
though I think is a great way tolike get people to come
together and actually there's arattly cry behind you know, uh,
protecting victims versus youknow, protecting the
perpetrators, right and thatthat's a pretty unifying concept
(24:10):
, you right for sure.
Yeah, um, and you know, kind ofto tie it into the last topic
that we got on the board here,uh, recently one of the old kgb
officers came out and said thatputin has, like, uh, a kiddie
sex tape with trump and that'sthe compromise that he has on
him.
Just as a side note to let'srelease the episode, throw
(24:31):
something out there.
Yeah, but Russia recently wentinto Poland with their drones
and actually they launched fromBelarus.
Okay, and Belarus, you know,said that they were Russian
drones.
It sounded like there was amiscommunication between Russia
and Belarus.
Yeah, because Russia's tryingto say, no, it wasn't us, and
(24:52):
Belarus was like, yeah, it wasthem, they sent it from our land
.
So it was kind of a KeystoneCop moment for them.
Yeah, but, yeah, they launcheddrones or vehicles into another
sovereign nation and Poland iswanting to use Clause 4.
Yeah, like it is, you know, anattack on one, an attack on all.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Yeah, the last little bit of news I saw on that was
that right now Russia is sayinglike oh yeah, we invaded their
airspace, but we weren'tactually.
We were just flying by.
Yeah, we were just passingthrough and there was no target
in Poland and we did not attackPoland, we just happened to
cross their airspace.
And it's like, yeah, you don'tjust happen.
Right, the military aircraft,you know exactly where you're
(25:32):
going, you know exactly wherethe boundaries are.
There's no doubt whether you'rein the right airspace or not.
If your instruments are working, there's no doubt right.
And drones don't work if theirinstruments aren't working right
.
There was no human flying themaround, so the instruments were
working and everybody that wasin control of those drones knew
exactly where they were.
And I mean, from a technologyperspective, you can just call
BS all day on like, oh, it wasan accidental incursion.
(25:53):
No, it was not.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
No way.
We see it all the time in ourown airspace, where they'll fly
next to Alaska and they'll startbumping in.
And like the concerns there is,if they shoot off a hypersonic,
they can put, you know, a nukewarhead on there, have it over
the middle of the U?
S and we can't track that andlight it off.
So every time they come andbuzz us, it makes the news
(26:16):
because it's a huge deal.
Well, like, they know theselaws, they know the boundaries
and, yeah, they do these things.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Um, oh yeah, it's a it's a bling that's Airplanes
and submarines right, they doboth.
Oh yeah, They'll break the linewith the submarine as well.
Yeah, and pop up, you know, 30miles off of Virginia Beach,
right?
And it's like no, don't do that.
You know, stop it, you knowyeah.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Yeah yeah.
It's just nuts that you knowagain.
They act with impunity, though,especially with this
administration.
They can do whatever they want.
They're not going to get a slapon the wrist from the US for
this, you know.
Same thing with Israel.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
It's just insane.
I mean, as we talked about, Ithink it was last week where
Putin went to the you know Axisof Evil summit and he and we
know we said that he most likelytold the other leaders there
hey, if you got anything on theback burner, it's time to put it
on the front burner right.
Like, get to work, because youcan do whatever you want.
And I feel like this is justanother step in that direction.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
I'm going.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Let's see what happens.
I'll bet nothing happens.
I'll bet I can do whatever Iwant, Right?
And he's rolling those dice,you know, just like Trump's
pushing boundaries on ourculture, he's pushing boundaries
on Europe.
They both have that same we'regoing to break the rules, we're
going to break the system thatmakes the rules.
That's the mentality for bothof them.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Yeah, and with our media being distracted for at
least the next 24 hours, thisstory will get pushed and
probably won't go anywhere.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
I've got an interesting thing I think to
wrap up, maybe wrap up theepisode with, it's a little
technology looking to the future, right?
So for all of our listeners, Iwork in the space industry and
I'm always around cutting edgestuff that's going into orbit
with quantum technology, quantummechanics, where there are ways
(28:08):
to create magnetic, basicallymaps of the magnetosphere around
the earth and all the way downto the surface of the earth and
you can use one tiny littlepiece of hardware to sense
changes in the magnetosphere ina way that are currently just
impossible to sense.
Right, like the level ofaccuracy just can't be achieved
with like transistors.
Right, like the level ofaccuracy just can't be achieved
with like transistors, right,but these quantum things can
(28:31):
measure the wobble of somethingthat's affected by magnetic pull
, right, because it's anelectromagnetic particle, and so
the level of detail you getthere is like orders of
magnitude more sensitive.
So if you can make these toolsthey're being made now, not
really available yet, but youcan use magnets you can use
(28:52):
quantum technology along withthe magnetosphere to see metal,
basically to be able to detectwhere heavy metallic objects are
.
Submarines under the waterbecome totally visible because
the water does not attenuatemagnetism in this setting Right.
And so the device being centeredover the Atlantic Ocean can
(29:17):
feel the movement of a submarineunder the ocean because it's
pulling magnetic waves.
It's got a magnetic center toit, right, that submarine has a
magnetic gravity, if you will.
Center to it, right, thatsubmarine has a magnetic gravity
, if you will.
And so as it pulls thatmagnetic field, that one little
particle floating over themiddle of the Atlantic ocean in
this satellite can seeeverything under the ocean, and
(29:38):
so there's no longer you can'thide under the ocean, and sonar
and classic radar technologiesdon't matter anymore, because if
you're made out of metal, wewill find you, and so that metal
, we will find you.
And so that's that's coming,and that's amazing and that will
change the the landscape ofwarfare.
If you can see every singlething under the ocean and think
(30:00):
decoys, right now, decoys,imagery, decoys can be very
convincing, but they're made outof materials that are not the
same material as an actualupgraded fighter jet, right,
yeah?
So guess what?
Well, no, exactly, there's fourfighter jets on that runway and
15 decoys.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Instantly.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Yeah, that pretty much kicks one of the legs out
of the nuclear triad.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
You won't be able to sneak up on it anymore, right, I
mean, you just be moreaggressive.
You have to be more uh outfront with like hey, guess what?
We're doing?
Patrols and we're going to beoffensive towards you, right, or
you start, you print your youknow 3d print, your submarines
and plastic, I don't know what,right?
So that's crazy.
But yeah, that's coming andthat would be one.
You don't need 20 sensors.
(30:41):
You know just a couple ofsensors that are able to
correlate with each other sothat they're measuring.
You know some waypoints in themagnetosphere and then
everything that moves underneathof them just is tugging, that
yarn that connects everythingand you can feel the tugs on the
spider web, if you will, youknow.
So it's amazing, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Huh, yeah.
Well, I don't want to wrap upon this.
I want to wrap up on one lastthing here.
Uh, so a couple of weeks ago,you know, you read my thing for,
uh, the veterans action councilfor getting cannabis and things
like that.
Um, you are also on that list.
Uh, nominated you.
It's funny that they asked forour state.
(31:18):
So your state says Oklahomanext to it instead of Texas.
Yes, so mine says Texas insteadof Michigan.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
And I'm like.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Oh, I don't know, yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
And when you told me you were born in Texas, I was
like why?
Why haven't you never said thatbefore?
When I go off about Texas allthe time, you won't own it.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Cause it was.
It was Austin, texas, so I meanit kind of makes sense.
It's the most liberal part ofTexas.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
But I was only there for like two years, and see,
that was me, Oklahoma.
I was born there and left when Iwas two years old I had an
accent when I went back up inMichigan Got made fun of a lot.
Oh yeah, sure, but yeah, you doa ton of work ever since you've
retired.
But a retired 20-year militaryintelligence analyst has become
(32:02):
a veteran cannabis advocate andorganizer In New Mexico.
He founded the New MexicoVeterans Cannabis Alliance to
connect veteran entrepreneursand patients with resources as
the market transitioned frommedical to adult use.
He also co-founded a cannabisfarm and has utilized media to
promote veteran access andbusiness inclusion.
Now based in Colorado Springs,he's appeared on Veteran Focus
Podcast to highlight privacyissues for veterans using
(32:22):
cannabis and to oppose municipalefforts to block voter-approved
cannabis sales, framing safe,legal access as harm reduction
for working veterans.
So, from the whole community,thank you.
And one thing I reallyappreciate about what you know,
your kind of story and your pathwith you know cannabis and
working with veterans.
It's not just there, but it'sin the church too, and you talk
(32:43):
about your relationship with youknow Christ and your use of
cannabis, which you know iscontradictory to the main
cultural understanding.
Yeah, just, the honesty itselfis contradictory to a lot of
Christianity.
Oh sure, fair.
But you have theseconversations and you're
comfortable with it, and it'sinspiring to listen to you talk
(33:04):
about these things, and so thankyou for doing all that.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
I appreciate that, adam.
Yeah, it's a work of things,and so thank you for doing all
that.
I appreciate that, adam.
Yeah, um, it's a work ofpassion and um, you know, I do
it for free and I enjoy it andI've always it's just been
important to me.
So thanks, man yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
All right, cool.
Well, we're going to keep doingstuff like this in the
community and keep trying tomake impacts where we can um
tune in next week for anotherafter the left face and uh, we.
face.
My name is Adam Gillard.
I am your co-host, along herewith Dick Wilkinson.
How you doing, dick?
Good morning, adam Doing well,all right.
Left face is the Pikes PeakRegions political podcast from a
veteran's point of view.
Today we're going to jump rightinto it and start talking about
.
You know, the big elephant inthe room, as Dick called it,
(00:22):
charlie Kirk, got shot yesterday.
It was crazy how quickly thevideos.
One thing my wife mentioned waslike his kids are going to see
all those videos and everythinglike that it was horrific seeing
it it was.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
And yes, the news spread so fast, like faster than
the normal burn on social media.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
I heard somewhere that Trump was like the first
one.
He was the first one toannounce his death, which is
crazy, yeah, because it wasalmost simultaneous that
netanyahu mentioned somethingabout his death also.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Oh, yeah, yeah so I mean, uh, I knew that charlie
kirk had got shot.
I had already saw some, youknow, within.
It was fast, right, like lessthan from the time he got shot.
Then that news news brokewithin minutes, two, three
minutes, it seemed like.
And then what?
25, 30 minutes later, donaldTrump announced that he had died
to you know like one of hispersonal security detail or
(01:27):
somebody that was there on sitewith his manager like his you
know his event manager that goesout and sets this stuff up.
They must've called them rightaway I'm assuming it was
somebody that was in the carwith him on the way to the
hospital because they had thatlevel of knowledge of what was
going on.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Well, I mean, after seeing that video, there's no
way of surviving.
Oh no, you know, even if thathappened, like in an ER, like
surrounded by surgeons, likeyou're probably not surviving
that.
Yeah, just absolutely horrificthat you know again.
You know political violence.
You know we don't know who'sdone it.
The person's still on the huntfor the FBI, still on the hunt.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
But yeah, I mean we have a and still on the hunt for
the FBI, still on the hunt.
But you know, I mean we have aA trend I heard about this
morning that's coming up in moreand more shootings, that I
guess what's it called themedical CEO, the guy that shot
him, Luigi.
He wrote on the bullets that heused to shoot him and all the
rounds in the magazine had likemessages etched into him so that
(02:25):
his part of his you knowmanifesto basically was what
those bullets meant.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Right it was the defend dispose yeah yeah, and it
had.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Those were terms from how to get rid of a insurance
claim, like how they deny it wasyeah, so uh, anyway, since then
, and again, this is just sickhow this stuff happens.
But the copycat aspect now iswrite messages on your bullets
and then when they find theweapon, and they find the rounds
and everything like, it'll tellpart of your story.
So that happened in this eventas well.
(02:53):
The weapon that they recoveredout of the woods, it had
ammunition in it and ammunitionwas found near it, right, and
all that stuff was marked upwith language that's associated
with the shooter, right, butthey haven't said anything about
what that is.
But it's on trend for, like youknow, I guess, people that are
being radicalized by watchingthings online, that's something
(03:14):
that is basically just become anunderground trend.
Yeah, you know, and so yeah.
It's just, it's so upsettingbecause there's a whole
subculture of young people thatyou know I don't want to say
necessarily some of them glorifythe actions of some of these
people, right, and the fact thatthere could be that there's so
(03:38):
many events, that there's somany tragedies like this, that
there's basically trends for thekillers to follow, right,
tragedies like this, thatthere's basically trends for the
killers to follow, right, likewow, wow, how far away from like
normalcy are, are we?
Speaker 1 (03:51):
that's what's going on yeah, yeah, that you actually
have a large enough pool to topull from and I think you know,
in the us so far this yearthere's been over like 400 mass
shootings, sure, um, evenyesterday, yesterday, there was
one here in Colorado At a schoolyeah, at a school that just got
drowned out.
(04:11):
It's so frustrating becausethis is what we scream about on
the left all the time and youknow we get demonized when we
try to, you know, keep peoplesafe and keep, you know, some of
these guns out of people thatare wanting to harm people.
Yeah, you know, because youknow some of these guns out of
people's that are wanting toharm people.
You know, uh, cause, you know,we just stopped a kid I can't
remember where he was at, but,uh, he had a bunch of uh 3d
printed guns.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
(04:32):
And uh, atf or FBI just stoppedthat one.
Yeah, um, yeah, oh.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
I know which one you're talking about.
Yeah, yeah, it was a studentage person that said had ready
to go and they just stopped himbefore he actually executed the
stuff.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Yeah, and there's a whole culture.
I mean going all the way backto the Columbine one.
You know that was.
You know big here, yeah, wasthat 99?
.
You know, those kids are likeheroes to some of these.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, that's what I'm referring to is that they kind
of started that subculture ofhero worship for, like evening
the score for, you know theperson who's downtrodden in
their mind, right, or thatsociety is like I'll cast them
and then they get to even thescore, yeah.
And so they look to thesesituations where they're
inspired, you know, by otherkillers.
The.
With the Charlie Kirk situationyou know he will address a
(05:25):
little bit you know I don't wantto, I obviously is politically
motivated shooting, no matterwhat.
Like there's no way about it,how this person they could be,
some it could, they could beViva La Revolution from 1960s,
argentina.
Like there's some, I don't knowwho, it is Right, I don't know
if it's American liberal, Idon't know if it's American
liberal, I don't know if it'ssomebody, it's a false flag.
Like you know, there'sconspiracy abound in that.
(05:46):
But we got to address some ofthe.
I'll call it irony that youknow Charlie Kirk was quoted as
saying if a few people get shotevery year to maintain our
protected Second Amendmentrights, like that's, that's just
the cost of doing business.
Freedom is messy, freedom isugly, yeah, and freedom, you
know, may hurt people, yeah, hesaid that.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yeah, and I've heard that echoed with my friends,
Like I was hanging out with aguy who just had his first baby
and I'm holding his son andthere was a school shooting
somewhere and he just said costof freedom yeah, like, dude,
like you have a child now, yeah,like that's going to be going
to these schools and like haveto go through drills, it's
defenseless as well, right.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Like that child is just going to be afraid, with no
way to control or do anythingabout that danger.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Well, and what's crazy is they're not even so
much afraid day to day now, Likethey're so used to it, Like
they'll like crack up and makejokes during the drills and
things like that, and like it'sjust crazy that they the the
weight that we've put on thesekids now.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
But yeah, so the thing for me is um, I want to
let people be responsible fortheir actions, right, like I.
Like, I'm okay withaccountability and
responsibility for your actions.
And saying inflammatory things,those are words, those that's
protected free speech.
Saying inflammatory things,those are words, that's
(07:09):
protected free speech.
I get that.
But the act of inflammingpeople, the act of being brash
and being over the top, right,like you are incensing people on
purpose, right, and that's anact.
That's a verb, right, it's notjust words and it's protected
act.
But if you are, if you're agrown man that is willing to
(07:31):
step out on stage and say somepeople are going to get shot to
maintain this freedom, you haveput your name on that list of
people.
You're willing.
You're willing to be shot toprotect that freedom.
If you see that other peopleare dispensable to protect the
freedom, you are too, yeah,bottom line, right, and so
that's the invitation to.
(07:56):
I'm not saying get shot or bekilled, but if you are espousing
rhetoric that says some peopleare going to get shot to
maintain this freedom, yeah,yeah, then there's some amount
of sympathy or love that is lostwhen that terrible thing
happens to you, from both thebig cultural perspective and
down to the individual level.
(08:16):
You look at somebody and gothere.
There there's someresponsibility or very least
complicitness in the wholesituation of, yeah, people get
shot, and that's just part ofliving in America and saying
we're going to accept that,we're not going to do anything
about it, and that's just partof living in America and saying
we're going to accept that we'renot going to do anything about
it and that's just going to bethe state of play.
Then you're accepting that yourlife is in danger as well, and
(08:39):
so my sympathy ends right thereat that line Of like.
You know, that was your ownmentality of how you view the
world and you want to live inthat world.
So you get to reap the benefitsof the world that you live in,
right?
And that you create andcultivate for yourself.
He cultivated a culture whereI'm not saying people are
encouraged to murder, but thatrampant use of violence is kind
(09:01):
of acceptable, right.
And so you know, that's as faras I want to take my comments on
like his position and hisrhetoric leads to a culture that
he wants to create.
That includes that type ofthing that happened yesterday.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Well, I think, whenever it reaches out and
touches you know, a rich whitedude the reactions are just so
different.
You know, when you look atDonald Trump, put the flags at
half mass.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Yeah, for like a week .
Right, this dude's not agovernment official.
No, he's not elected.
He never has been.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
He's not a billionaire like Trump's, in
love with you know, yeah, but'sfrustrating that when it happens
to you know again a rich whitedude, they, they act like this
and like I've seen so manyvideos of so many you know even
news anchors out there saying,well, this must stop.
And you know this is aridiculous and it's like you
guys are driving this did thefact, that was my big, the fact
(10:06):
that it's on your doorstep now,like there was one uh, I can't
remember if it was arepresentative yeah, yeah yeah,
there was one representativethat said you know that, uh,
there's going to be a revolutionand it'll be bloodless if the
left lets it.
You know so, like they've beensaying these things for years,
yeah, years they've been drivingthis stuff, yeah, and now that
(10:27):
it's on their doorstep, oh, it'sgot to stop.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Yeah, you don't point the guns at us right, I uh, for
me, the, the media, what I saw,I was watching, and, of course,
um news anchors are actors andto some degree, all right,
they're on camera, so they'reputting on an act and the act
man you saw, they're bad actors.
I want to say that they're nottrained at acting, so they're
really, really bad at it whenthey do it right, like Like
(10:51):
really bad, totally see through,totally fake Right.
And so everybody on CNN startedhand wringing and all this is
terrible and blah, blah, sad,sad, cry, cry, cry.
But all of them vehementlyhated Charlie Kirk, right, you
know what?
I'm saying Like really deep downin the private conversation oh,
that guy is divisive, he'sterrible, he's magamouthpiece,
he's, he's you know.
The list of bad things abouthim would have been easily
(11:14):
trotted out at any CNN, you knowevent.
But then the the act.
Oh, senseless killing,political violence, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah.
And they just trotted outcliches for about eight hours.
And I was so disgusted becausethe dishonesty and
disingenuousness of all thosepeople.
They were not being serious,right, like their true feelings
were not on display there, theirtrue thoughts were not being
(11:36):
spoken to the camera and it wasobvious.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
And I was like I'm just disgusted by this right
Like it's always people pullingpunches on from on the left side
, you know, worrying aboutpeople's feelings on the right,
and it's funny how emotionalthey get, you know.
And so you know they try to bekind and nice and they still get
yelled at for because one guyfrom MSNBC got fired.
Did he get fired?
Speaker 2 (11:59):
I knew what happened, yeah.
Then he said you know well.
I mean, he said something thatI thought and texted to my
friend, which is a truestatement of if you spew hate,
you're going to have a lot ofhaters, right.
Like, if you spew hate, peopleare going to hate you, right,
because you become the face ofthat hate that you're talking
about.
Again, this doesn't justifyviolence or harm or being shot,
(12:21):
but if your job is to createhaters, you're going to have a
lot of haters, right.
And that's what the news anchorsaid.
And he got fired.
So now me and Adam, we can'tfire each other.
We're both I don't knownominated by the people.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yeah, so that guy using his First Amendment right
Immediate repercussions.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
And he.
All he said was what everybodyelse at MSNBC wanted to say.
Right, and I'm not getting.
He may have said something thatwas jerky.
Have you ever watched Fox NewsLike it's nothing but jerk city
over there all day, every day.
Yeah, so they don't get fired.
They get bonuses for owning thelibs, right, but if a liberal
person says was really on theirmind, they're going to get
(13:03):
burned at the stake.
Oh, you know, and whatever Iget it, that is how.
That is the difference betweenthe two.
You can go way off the cuffover on the right side of
politics.
That they'll, they'll just kindof let you do it right, right,
you go off the cuff on the leftside and you get extra
ostracized, right, you get kindof ran out, you know don't talk
that way or you're not one of us.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
You get labeled you're socialist or communist so
quickly and you know thosewords still carry so much taboo
for everybody that it's easy toshut people up.
When you start throwing thosewords around, we're on the right
side.
They're like oh, you're afascist.
Well, you know.
You just don't understand whatfascism means.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Yeah, what yeah, right yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
And they started trying to justify it and, like,
rationalize it.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
But they'll make a lot of.
I guess the different, thecultural differences, is that on
the right they'll make a lot ofexcuses and a lot of um, just
like poo poo away.
When a right political figuredoes something that's outside of
the bounds, right and andthere's not a collective like
brow beating that happens,everybody just kind of goes oh
well, you know, he's a grown-upand probably might say something
stupid every now and then.
Yeah, and that's it, they don't, they don't turn their backs on
them as much, right like it'sjust sort of goes.
Oh well, you know he's a grownupand he probably might say
something stupid every now andthen and that's it.
They don't.
They don't turn their backs onthem as much, right Like it's
just sort of.
Yeah, sometimes people saystupid stuff and you're still
pretty much within the fold,right, but it's not that way
(14:21):
over on the blue side.
It's like hey, you know we will.
We will gladly extricate youfrom the group and the right
doesn't do that.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Yeah, I always think about that, al Franken.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yeah, he got railroaded pretty quickly.
He was a solid senator.
So you know, even with theCharlie Kirk situation and the
other shootings here locally,there's still a lot of world
events going on.
That again, one of the tacticsis just wait for the next
distraction.
Yeah, um sure you know recentlywe've had a lot of those this
(14:55):
week uh, yeah, you know, in thelast you know couple more day,
what was it?
Speaker 2 (15:01):
uh, about three days ago it was saturday morning, I
think, is what's today,wednesday?
Yeah, I think that if we'retalking about the israel,
saturday or sunday morning, yeah, so israel struck q.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Israel struck Qatar in Qatar, and Qatar is like the
Sweden, or not the Sweden, theSwitzerland of the Middle East.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
They're the neutral site where the folks go to cause
they can they talk to Iran?
Well, they talk to Saudis, well, um, everybody just kind of
gets along there, or it getslong enough, but but Al Jazeera
is out of there, things likethat.
Yeah, so they're really just aneutral place.
Yeah, and we have, you know,our folks there right outside
(15:36):
Doha at LUD Air Base.
So we have a large presencethere, a lot of folks downtown.
I haven't heard on any kind oflike results of the strike.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Well, the thing you know, as we talk about uh cutter
being open for business, foryou know that that being neutral
and how that leads to thesituation of.
You know, terroristorganizations run their
political headquarters out ofcutter, right.
Taliban's international officesare in cutter and always have
been, since they leftafghanistan during the war, and
now they're back, of course, butthey had offices in Qatar the
(16:11):
entire war of Afghanistan.
Taliban never went away, right.
And so same thing with Hamas.
Hamas has enough money thatthey can rent an office in Qatar
, and guess what that means?
You have a corporateheadquarters, right.
So Qatar is like that, right, Imean they're the Switzerland or
Sweden or whatever.
But but think more pirateisland where you can go escape
(16:33):
with your loot and nobody'sgoing to bother you.
Right, like I see it, more likethat.
You can be shady, you can be acriminal and we'll bring you.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
So that's really what's going on over there is.
That is, that they welcometerrorist organizations to set
up camp because they pay rent,and that's it.
They like money, and I meanthat's why Donald Trump probably
likes him so much, right, he'slike everything's gold plated.
Y'all know how to make money,you know.
And so what happened there andI'll just offer my take on it,
(17:03):
you know, other people thinkthis too, but Israel was
negotiating, you know, trying toget this last bit of hostages
released.
They weren't being genuine inthat they didn't ever have any
intention to really capitulateanything, right, israel didn't
and Hamas doesn't.
They're not really genuineeither, right, like either one
of them actually want to see adiplomatic outcome.
So Israel hemmed and hawed lastweek and was like oh yeah, I
(17:26):
think we're going to, we'reabout to sign the deal.
Like everybody should gettogether.
I think we're about to sign thedeal.
Everybody should get togetherin Qatar and make sure they're
ready to sign the deal, and thenonce everybody got together
they blew them up.
They did, they did.
They absolutely baited them togo there for a summit and then
(17:46):
they were like, hey, basicallythey got into the signal chat
with Pete and they were like,hey, make sure you're on the
third floor at 10 o'clock,that's when we're going to sign
all the papers Right, and thenthe 10th floor just got, you
know, smoked.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Is there anything specifically in the Geneva
Convention on that?
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Like Israel, probably didn't sign it and doesn't care
.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Internationally with impunity, never, no questions
asked.
They go all over the world andsmoke people and don't.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Yeah, nothing happens , yeah, so they're not gonna
start worrying aboutinternational criminal law right
now well, you know, curiosityto me, you know, because, like
we do it too, you would thinkyou were under truce conditions.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Though you know, like again cutter is a gray zone
when it comes to internationalstuff.
Right, and we blow up stuff inother countries all the time
without permission and noquestion.
Again, no questions asked.
The thing takes off from europe, flies all the way over to
africa, blows something up andflies back to europe, doesn't
even make the news, you know.
(18:47):
So yeah, um, I, this is.
This is fair play, man.
There's no real internationaloutcry.
And the thing for me is Cutterwas like hey, don't do that.
And then they said you ruinedyour chance of getting the
hostages back.
No, they didn't.
There was never a chance ofgetting the hostages back.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Yeah, I think everybody was just kind of
bluffing each other on that.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yeah, yeah, and Cutter being this weird arbiter
in the middle that has no skinin the game.
But they're clearly on Hamas'side, right?
Yeah, they just are right, Likethey're definitely more
interested in supporting Hamasthan they are any progress with
Israel.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
So yeah, I could definitely.
They're more.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Arabic.
They're Arabic people, right.
I mean, like the Palestinianconnection there to them is
culturally, it makes more sense,right?
And so if they're going to befair, you know, gamesmen,
they're still always going toheavily lean towards Hamas
versus anything Israel wants tobring to the table, right?
So that's why Israel is like wedon't care, we'll blow
everything up over there, wedon't care, and guess what's not
going to happen.
America's not going to happen.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
America's not going to tell us to stop doing it, so
we're just going to keep doingit and that's what I keep
telling people is, when Israelgets struck against and they
face that existential crisis,they're not afraid to launch
their nukes.
They will turn that entireplace to glass before they give
up any kind of territory.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
I agree, they would smoke off every nuke before they
would cease to exist.
Yeah, yeah, if that was theirdeath cry, they would do it
Right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
So yeah, people don't understand the mindset that
they have over there where, likeyou said, that they'll just go
do it.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Yeah, they're operating with impunity as far
as they're concerned.
Right, I mean, they've hadattacks in Syria, iran,
basically every country aroundthere.
At this point, they've killedsome leaders in you know.
So they did the same thing.
The US response was very minor.
You know, donald Trump sent outa you know truth tweet, was
(20:42):
like that's not cool, butapparently they told him right,
like before it happened.
Yeah, they were like, hey,we're gonna blow these guys up
and like, of course, the usdidn't say anything right okay,
that's fine yeah, so um.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Another thing that uh is going on in the news
worldwide is nepal, their primeminister, getting chased out.
Have you been?
Speaker 2 (21:02):
I just saw, uh, one or two headlines yesterday, but
didn't really get to dig into it.
Yeah, what's going on there?
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Like the videos that are coming out.
Are you know?
People stormed the financeminister's house, chased him out
into the street, beaten him.
The prime minister was gettinghis butt whooped by some
protesters, and what's weird isI keep calling it a Gen Z
protest, which I just think isstrange.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Oh, it was young people that were out on the
streets.
That was the headline I saw.
I was like how did the youngpeople get convinced to go to
the streets?
I mean TikTok, of course, right, right.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Yes, the palaces, though, are on fire.
They did a revolution.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
A real revolution.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Yeah, they actually overthrew their government there
and strip-livestreamed it.
It was kind of crazy.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yeah, there, um, and strip live streamed it.
Yeah, it was kind of crazy.
Yeah, yeah, that is true, umand the.
Uh, I'm not sure what was.
What was the initial reason forthat right like?
Is it just lack of faith in thegovernment?
Was the government?
Speaker 1 (21:58):
corrupt.
Yeah, the way that it startedat the finance ministers I'm
thinking something there, yeah,like they.
Just, if it was like a, youknow, a housing crisis situation
, yeah, where we had a thegovernment kind of put us on a
take it money, right, yeah, so Idon't know the cause of it, but
it seemed just.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Yeah Well, from the civil unrest side, trump a few
weeks ago.
So he started the cleanup DCyou thing, and then he was like
I would never go to dinner in DC.
It's just vagrants andcriminals shooting each other,
bleeding everywhere, right.
And he's like that's not true,yeah.
But then he said we're going toclean up the streets and then
I'm going to go have dinner intown.
(22:38):
Right, Like why?
Why even you have the whitehouse?
Like no president ever justgoes and catches dinner out in
town that's not a thing.
Right, Like no president everjust goes and catches dinner out
in town that's not a thing.
And so he made a stunt out ofit.
It was a hundred yard walk.
And then the protesters werethere, and so as much as he
thought, oh, the National Guardis just there, no protesters
(22:59):
would ever come.
I'm surrounded by SecretService and National Guard.
I'm in a perfect bubble.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
They were already in the restaurant.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
They were there when he got there, you know.
So, yeah, it's just, I love it.
You know that, like, even withall of that, thousands of troops
, and you still got heckled.
Yeah, the second you steppedout of your house you still got
heckled, because that's legaland there's no amount of
soldiers that are going to stoppeople from heckling you.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
You know what I'm saying and I can't remember what
they were yelling at him.
It was something disgusting,you know, like Epstein related
or something like that Like hekind of like danced with it.
Did you see that?
Oh no, I didn't see that.
Yeah, where, like he kind oflike he was like bopping along
with it.
Yeah, he, until he has any kindof accountability, he thinks
(23:49):
it's all a joke.
Yeah, you know, it said thatthe, uh, the Epstein files,
though I think is a great way tolike get people to come
together and actually there's arattly cry behind you know, uh,
protecting victims versus youknow, protecting the
perpetrators, right and thatthat's a pretty unifying concept
(24:10):
, you right for sure.
Yeah, um, and you know, kind ofto tie it into the last topic
that we got on the board here,uh, recently one of the old kgb
officers came out and said thatputin has, like, uh, a kiddie
sex tape with trump and that'sthe compromise that he has on
him.
Just as a side note to let'srelease the episode, throw
(24:31):
something out there.
Yeah, but Russia recently wentinto Poland with their drones
and actually they launched fromBelarus.
Okay, and Belarus, you know,said that they were Russian
drones.
It sounded like there was amiscommunication between Russia
and Belarus.
Yeah, because Russia's tryingto say, no, it wasn't us, and
(24:52):
Belarus was like, yeah, it wasthem, they sent it from our land
.
So it was kind of a KeystoneCop moment for them.
Yeah, but, yeah, they launcheddrones or vehicles into another
sovereign nation and Poland iswanting to use Clause 4.
Yeah, like it is, you know, anattack on one, an attack on all.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Yeah, the last little bit of news I saw on that was
that right now Russia is sayinglike oh yeah, we invaded their
airspace, but we weren'tactually.
We were just flying by.
Yeah, we were just passingthrough and there was no target
in Poland and we did not attackPoland, we just happened to
cross their airspace.
And it's like, yeah, you don'tjust happen.
Right, the military aircraft,you know exactly where you're
(25:32):
going, you know exactly wherethe boundaries are.
There's no doubt whether you'rein the right airspace or not.
If your instruments are working, there's no doubt right.
And drones don't work if theirinstruments aren't working right
.
There was no human flying themaround, so the instruments were
working and everybody that wasin control of those drones knew
exactly where they were.
And I mean, from a technologyperspective, you can just call
BS all day on like, oh, it wasan accidental incursion.
(25:53):
No, it was not.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
No way.
We see it all the time in ourown airspace, where they'll fly
next to Alaska and they'll startbumping in.
And like the concerns there is,if they shoot off a hypersonic,
they can put, you know, a nukewarhead on there, have it over
the middle of the U?
S and we can't track that andlight it off.
So every time they come andbuzz us, it makes the news
(26:16):
because it's a huge deal.
Well, like, they know theselaws, they know the boundaries
and, yeah, they do these things.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Um, oh yeah, it's a it's a bling that's Airplanes
and submarines right, they doboth.
Oh yeah, They'll break the linewith the submarine as well.
Yeah, and pop up, you know, 30miles off of Virginia Beach,
right?
And it's like no, don't do that.
You know, stop it, you knowyeah.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Yeah yeah.
It's just nuts that you knowagain.
They act with impunity, though,especially with this
administration.
They can do whatever they want.
They're not going to get a slapon the wrist from the US for
this, you know.
Same thing with Israel.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
It's just insane.
I mean, as we talked about, Ithink it was last week where
Putin went to the you know Axisof Evil summit and he and we
know we said that he most likelytold the other leaders there
hey, if you got anything on theback burner, it's time to put it
on the front burner right.
Like, get to work, because youcan do whatever you want.
And I feel like this is justanother step in that direction.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
I'm going.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Let's see what happens.
I'll bet nothing happens.
I'll bet I can do whatever Iwant, Right?
And he's rolling those dice,you know, just like Trump's
pushing boundaries on ourculture, he's pushing boundaries
on Europe.
They both have that same we'regoing to break the rules, we're
going to break the system thatmakes the rules.
That's the mentality for bothof them.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Yeah, and with our media being distracted for at
least the next 24 hours, thisstory will get pushed and
probably won't go anywhere.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
I've got an interesting thing I think to
wrap up, maybe wrap up theepisode with, it's a little
technology looking to the future, right?
So for all of our listeners, Iwork in the space industry and
I'm always around cutting edgestuff that's going into orbit
with quantum technology, quantummechanics, where there are ways
(28:08):
to create magnetic, basicallymaps of the magnetosphere around
the earth and all the way downto the surface of the earth and
you can use one tiny littlepiece of hardware to sense
changes in the magnetosphere ina way that are currently just
impossible to sense.
Right, like the level ofaccuracy just can't be achieved
with like transistors.
Right, like the level ofaccuracy just can't be achieved
with like transistors, right,but these quantum things can
(28:31):
measure the wobble of somethingthat's affected by magnetic pull
, right, because it's anelectromagnetic particle, and so
the level of detail you getthere is like orders of
magnitude more sensitive.
So if you can make these toolsthey're being made now, not
really available yet, but youcan use magnets you can use
(28:52):
quantum technology along withthe magnetosphere to see metal,
basically to be able to detectwhere heavy metallic objects are
.
Submarines under the waterbecome totally visible because
the water does not attenuatemagnetism in this setting Right.
And so the device being centeredover the Atlantic Ocean can
(29:17):
feel the movement of a submarineunder the ocean because it's
pulling magnetic waves.
It's got a magnetic center toit, right, that submarine has a
magnetic gravity, if you will.
Center to it, right, thatsubmarine has a magnetic gravity
, if you will.
And so as it pulls thatmagnetic field, that one little
particle floating over themiddle of the Atlantic ocean in
this satellite can seeeverything under the ocean, and
(29:38):
so there's no longer you can'thide under the ocean, and sonar
and classic radar technologiesdon't matter anymore, because if
you're made out of metal, wewill find you, and so that metal
, we will find you.
And so that's that's coming,and that's amazing and that will
change the the landscape ofwarfare.
If you can see every singlething under the ocean and think
(30:00):
decoys, right now, decoys,imagery, decoys can be very
convincing, but they're made outof materials that are not the
same material as an actualupgraded fighter jet, right,
yeah?
So guess what?
Well, no, exactly, there's fourfighter jets on that runway and
15 decoys.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Instantly.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Yeah, that pretty much kicks one of the legs out
of the nuclear triad.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
You won't be able to sneak up on it anymore, right, I
mean, you just be moreaggressive.
You have to be more uh outfront with like hey, guess what?
We're doing?
Patrols and we're going to beoffensive towards you, right, or
you start, you print your youknow 3d print, your submarines
and plastic, I don't know what,right?
So that's crazy.
But yeah, that's coming andthat would be one.
You don't need 20 sensors.
(30:41):
You know just a couple ofsensors that are able to
correlate with each other sothat they're measuring.
You know some waypoints in themagnetosphere and then
everything that moves underneathof them just is tugging, that
yarn that connects everythingand you can feel the tugs on the
spider web, if you will, youknow.
So it's amazing, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Huh, yeah.
Well, I don't want to wrap upon this.
I want to wrap up on one lastthing here.
Uh, so a couple of weeks ago,you know, you read my thing for,
uh, the veterans action councilfor getting cannabis and things
like that.
Um, you are also on that list.
Uh, nominated you.
It's funny that they asked forour state.
(31:18):
So your state says Oklahomanext to it instead of Texas.
Yes, so mine says Texas insteadof Michigan.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
And I'm like.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Oh, I don't know, yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
And when you told me you were born in Texas, I was
like why?
Why haven't you never said thatbefore?
When I go off about Texas allthe time, you won't own it.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Cause it was.
It was Austin, texas, so I meanit kind of makes sense.
It's the most liberal part ofTexas.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
But I was only there for like two years, and see,
that was me, Oklahoma.
I was born there and left when Iwas two years old I had an
accent when I went back up inMichigan Got made fun of a lot.
Oh yeah, sure, but yeah, you doa ton of work ever since you've
retired.
But a retired 20-year militaryintelligence analyst has become
(32:02):
a veteran cannabis advocate andorganizer In New Mexico.
He founded the New MexicoVeterans Cannabis Alliance to
connect veteran entrepreneursand patients with resources as
the market transitioned frommedical to adult use.
He also co-founded a cannabisfarm and has utilized media to
promote veteran access andbusiness inclusion.
Now based in Colorado Springs,he's appeared on Veteran Focus
Podcast to highlight privacyissues for veterans using
(32:22):
cannabis and to oppose municipalefforts to block voter-approved
cannabis sales, framing safe,legal access as harm reduction
for working veterans.
So, from the whole community,thank you.
And one thing I reallyappreciate about what you know,
your kind of story and your pathwith you know cannabis and
working with veterans.
It's not just there, but it'sin the church too, and you talk
(32:43):
about your relationship with youknow Christ and your use of
cannabis, which you know iscontradictory to the main
cultural understanding.
Yeah, just, the honesty itselfis contradictory to a lot of
Christianity.
Oh sure, fair.
But you have theseconversations and you're
comfortable with it, and it'sinspiring to listen to you talk
(33:04):
about these things, and so thankyou for doing all that.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
I appreciate that, adam.
Yeah, it's a work of things,and so thank you for doing all
that.
I appreciate that, adam.
Yeah, um, it's a work ofpassion and um, you know, I do
it for free and I enjoy it andI've always it's just been
important to me.
So thanks, man yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
All right, cool.
Well, we're going to keep doingstuff like this in the
community and keep trying tomake impacts where we can um
tune in next week for anotherafter the left face and uh, we.
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