September 21, 2025 • 35 mins
The constitutional foundations of America are trembling, and the assault on free speech is happening with breathtaking speed. What begins with a comedian being pulled off the air for mild jokes about a politician could end with the complete dismantling of our First Amendment protections.
When Jimmy Kimmel made some relatively benign jokes about Donald Trump, the response was swift and chilling. The FCC chair suggested Disney should "buckle down" on Kimmel, advertisers got nervous, and local stations threatened to drop the show. Within days, Kimmel was temporarily off the air. This wasn't about offensive content - it was about power and intimidation.
The hypocrisy is stunning. For years, many on the right have decried "cancel culture" as a leftist tactic to silence opposition. Now we're seeing politicians and media figures explicitly calling for citizens to report their neighbors for social media posts, contact employers about workers' political opinions, and threaten to withhold funding from schools because of teachers' comments. What's remarkable is that even conservative voices like Ted Cruz and Ben Shapiro recognize the danger, warning that weaponizing government agencies against free speech sets a dangerous precedent regardless of which party employs such tactics.
Meanwhile, corporations continue to demonstrate that their values extend only as far as their profit margins. Disney, Target, Facebook - all shift positions based on which way the political winds blow. As one host noted, "They don't care about you. They just want to sell you crap to keep you coming back."
If these assaults on free expression concern you, join us for the October 18th protest as part of the national No Kings 2.0 movement. The Bill of Rights isn't a menu where those in power get to pick and choose which freedoms to respect. Stand with us before it's too late.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of
Left Face.
I am your co-host, dickWilkinson, and I'm joined with
Adam Gillard.
This is the Pipe Peak Regionarea podcast, where we talk
about political topics through aveteran's point of view and we
are catching up on the week'sevents.
Adam and I had a couple ofideas for the show today, but
(00:20):
first we're going to start withsome announcements.
So, adam, how are you doingtoday and what's coming up in
the local area?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I'm doing pretty good , man.
Some of the big things thatwe're looking at coming up are
the El Paso County DemocratsCounty Party, where they have a
big gala.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
It's at the Doubletree this year and they'll
actually have Senator Bennettand Attorney General Phil Weiser
speaking there, and they'reboth candidates for governor, so
it'll be interesting to haveboth candidates like primary
candidates for governor talkingin the same room and being able
to hear something yeah, it's nota debate, but I mean, of course
(01:01):
they're aware that they'regoing to be in the same room
kind of it's like a head-to-head, you know, sort of cook-off
without it being a debate.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
But I mean, of course they're aware that they're
going to be in the same room,kind of it's like a head to head
, you know, sort of cook off,without it being a debate.
Right, I'm excited, right, yeah, and I'm really curious on how
they're deciding who's speakingwhen.
And first and last, becausePhil Weiser is a good public
speaker.
He can get a crowd going, right, bennett is knowledgeable, but
he's not like a energeticspeaker, so, like him, following
phil weiser could be a tough,tough all for him, but I think
(01:32):
he would.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I think that's how it would go, you know yeah, I
agree, I think uh sort of aseniority type order right yeah,
yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
the next, uh, kind of big things.
We're still really focusing onthat.
That October 18th protest.
It's going to be another one ofthe national days of protests
no Kings 2.0.
So we're still working with thecity to get a location because
we're expecting, you know, a fewthousand folks there, okay
(02:02):
there.
So we're trying to make sureeverybody gets to a place, that
everyone can stay safe and stilluse their First Amendment
rights that we currently have,dwindling by the second.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yeah, by then they may be gone.
That's a few weeks away.
Since we're going to talk aboutit on the show today, of course
we'll cover why that's underthreat.
We'll see.
That's a few weeks away, man,things are.
Things are in jeopardy rightnow yeah, yeah, they change very
quickly.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Uh, I just read uh a little bit on um how the
philippines dismantled theirdemocracy and put uh duarte yeah
into the dictatorship.
Yeah, it's eerie, uh, like howthey use social media and
influence, like that, the cambraanalytical stuff.
Yeah it's, it's amazing howthey use that stuff and it's
(02:51):
like they're blueprinting it andthey're.
It's the same thing that'sgoing on with our democracy.
You know the way they'redismantling it.
Yeah, it's really crazy how, umthey're using these platforms
to just create extremism.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Well, the good news is that Duterte is at the Hague
and under arrest and going to goon trial for crimes against
humanity.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if the US tries to
interject in that the way thatwe're trying to protect
Venezuela's dictator there.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Yeah, I don't.
I mean I yes, we, yes, we could, but the hay kind of doesn't
care, right like they don't,they're not going to hold into
any us influence.
So yeah, but we also don't seeit as a very legitimate process
from the us perspective either.
Right, like most americans arelike, okay, that's interesting.
Whatever, like we, we don'tfeel like any of our any
(03:43):
americans would ever sit fortrial there.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Right like basically we would ignore the court.
You know and like absolutely100, that's 100 the, the
mentality and 100 the problem.
You know like when people actwith impunity, like they abuse
power, that just is what happensI mean.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
But america, brother, you know, like that's it,
there's not.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
We don't have to say much more than that we did good
for 60 years or so, but uh, yeah, yeah, I'm just saying I think
we're good without the hague,I'm I'm in that camp.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
You know, if the hague exists in the world,
that's fine, but america beingon the out of bounds with the
hague, I'm okay with.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
That is what I'm saying you know, so you know
what.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
What happens when our leaders do commit war crimes
well, I don't think that thehague would have anything to do
with.
It is what I'm saying, so Ijust some.
Something else would happen.
I don't know.
We'd have another civil war orwe'd have some other situation
would happen.
I don't think they'd end upbeing going to court.
There is what I'm saying.
There could be a consequence,but it wouldn't be exacted by
that international worldcriminal court.
(04:47):
Yeah, see what I'm saying.
Yeah, well, I know who won't begetting upset with us anytime
soon, and that's England,because they just had Trump over
there.
So let's start on the.
We always like to.
We go lighthearted to dark andscary right.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Yeah, well, they had trump in, like every billionaire
in the world over there oh,yeah, okay, uh, they had a
summit, a big money summit.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Oh, I did see that dinner that they had, where they
had a lot of royalty there,yeah, um.
So the thing that I enjoyedmost about trump's trip to
england was that they uh therewere people that don't like
donald trump in england uh, andthey, every time he comes visit,
they make sure and make somekind of public spectacle.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, they had that giant baby.
I think they were the ones thatcame with that giant baby first
.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
And so this time around they went a little bit.
They took a deeper cut castleand projected like a 35 foot
tall uh image of him and jeffreyepstein and like rotating
images of like the the page outof the birthday book and like
different pictures of themtogether.
(05:54):
Uh, and it was just on thecastle like for a while, you
know, and um, I just it.
I enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I love the.
Was it guerrilla protesting?
You know the chalk art, thethings like that projecting on
buildings because nobody'sgetting hurt and you're just
spreading information, you know.
If you take offense to it, wellwhy?
Why are you taking offense toDonald Trump's arm around
Jeffrey Epstein?
Yeah, why does that make youmad?
What reason does it make youmad for?
(06:24):
Not the?
Speaker 1 (06:24):
right reason?
Yeah, why does that make youmad?
What reason does it make youmad?
For Right?
Not the right reason?
Yeah, for sure.
Yes, very true.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Everybody might feel something about it, but there's
nothing good about it Right.
Yeah, that's true.
We need people to wake up andyou know, care about these
things.
For so long we've taught peopleto be apathetic to the
political process and everything.
Yeah, so long we've taughtpeople to be apathetic to the
political process and everything, yeah, and we allow these
things to happen, like this isthe results of not caring or not
wanting to talk politics, oryou know, just wake up, man,
like you just gave, gave americaaway hey, uh, woke is dead,
(06:58):
adam, you can't say wake upanymore.
All right, and you find somekind of sno, kind of new button
or something.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Yeah.
So the thing that I thought wasmost interesting about the
visit over there was DonaldTrump stood up and he was
talking about America and hesaid America is the hottest
country in the world and there'sno doubt about it, and there's
no country in the world that'seven close.
And he says this as he'sstanding next to King Charles,
(07:29):
the leader of the country thathe is currently being hosted in
as a guest, as a guest of honor,and he said my country is
better than yours.
I'm the coolest guy in theworld and thanks for having me
over at your dinner party.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
You know that opens up the dance.
Right, and thanks for having meover at your dinner party.
You know the look on his face,yeah, the look on his face was
just like this mother yeah, thatwas, that was a good moment too
, uh the first lady not takingher hat off in the castle there,
so she just walked around likecarmen san diego the whole time,
(08:04):
like that was pretty cool too.
Yeah, yeah, they uh just blowup any kind of like uh decorum
yeah, the yeah popster dancething.
Yeah, they just completelyshatter all that just to make a
scene yeah but, other than that,not much uh news from the trip.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
I mean the.
The idea was that it wassupposed to smooth over some
ties and like do something aboutthe tariffs and all this other
stuff, right, but I it really.
It was just a fun little tour.
If anything, right, I don'tfeel like there was much
political benefit to it, right.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
No, and I mean the tariff stuff.
I mean we were getting hit sohard on that and with it being
ruled illegal right now, uh, bythe courts, the government is
going to have to pay trillionsof dollars back to these
businesses not, but not back to,like, consumers or anything
like that who have had ourprices jacked up, but back to
the businesses.
So it's really just anothermoney transfer back to the, to
(09:00):
private corporations it could be, yeah, it could backfire that
way I mean, if we look athistory here, with donald trump
into it, you know he's alwaysgiving money to his friends.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Well, he said america is going to be rich.
And so I mean, if those peopleare technically americans, you
know, technically it is thelittle promises kept you, you
know.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Yeah, like all of it, the entire administration and
that entire side.
Really, their ability to playlike word judo and mental
gymnastics over all these things, to like get what they want and
make it seem okay with them, isjust Applaudable at this point.
Like man, you guys did greattaking over America.
Like you destroyed us Great job.
(09:45):
At this point.
Like man, you guys did greattaking over america.
Like you, you destroyed us.
Great job.
Like that.
Like you treated the bill ofrights and our amendments as
like a checklist of shit todestroy and you're just knocking
them off so I heard a funnyjoke.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
We'll use that to transition into the first
amendment.
You know being um questionableas far as how valuable it is in
the current culture.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Let's say that.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
And the joke that was funny because it was on the
Daily Show and she said we knowyou all love the Second
Amendment, but you have to readthe first one first, you know,
because right there you got, youcan't you know, don't skip it
If you're only going to read thefirst one and the second one.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
That's the problem with having a society with ADHD.
Now we can't just read itstraight through, we've got to
skip around.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
So the issue at hand that's happened since last
episode that we recorded wasMonday night, Jimmy Kimmel man,
if you saw, did you watch thevideo clip of his monologue and
what he said?
It was so benign.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
But it was kind of targeted at Trump.
It was kind of targeted atTrump.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
I mean, it was as far as outcry goes.
It was just very, it wasn'tthat offensive or harsh, he
wasn't.
He didn't.
You know what I'm saying?
It was very light touch joke,right absolutely.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
and a few days before that, or when it initially
happened, uh, he wrote a tweetor an extra, whatever platform I
was on, where he said like, hey, this is unacceptable.
Uh, my our thoughts and go outto his family and his kids, this
is unacceptable.
And he condemned it immediatelyand said how horrific it was.
(11:29):
And then that pain joke onMonday, which again was more
targeted at Trump um is what setoff this, uh, this absolute
destruction of the firstamendment?
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Yeah, and and so the the series of events that that
took place was he made, made thejokes.
The next day, the chair of theFCC is on a podcast and he says
you know, disney really shouldbuckle down and figure out
what's going on over there,Cause they're, they're being
offensive and they, they have tooperate with the best interest
of the public.
And Jimmy Kimmel is, is is notrepresentative of that.
(12:05):
And so that was just this emptyor not empty, but this like
threat.
You know that wasn't noofficial um vehicle was used, it
was this dude making anoff-the-cuff statement and then
immediately, they were aboutthat.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Are you sure that that was the only communication?
Speaker 1 (12:21):
as far as I know, yeah, um, they they didn't send
them official correspondence tosay like you're in trouble.
The other thing that happenedwas the local stations that
carry ABC.
That was the part that also putpressure on Disney.
It went from both FCC said thatadvertisers started to get a
little shaky, and then localcarriers said we cannot carry
(12:43):
any show we want, right, and sowe're just, you know, not going
to carry it.
And that was like 200 something.
Stations said we just won'tshow it.
And so Disney said okay, we'regoing to figure out something
else for the time slot, for thetime being, right, so he's not
fired and the show's not off theair yet.
Right, they're going to pay thestaff throughout next week,
even while they're stillfiguring stuff out.
But they took it off the airbecause of all this pressure,
(13:05):
right, but there was no officialcorrespondence or threat to
suspend their license other thanhis comments, as far as I know.
Right, but they took him offthe air and since then the I
don't even call it backlash it'sbeen an explosion of
conversation really.
It's been both directions rightAbout.
Is this appropriate?
The resounding thing that Ihear is it's a threat to the, to
(13:30):
free speech.
It's a threat to the FirstAmendment.
It was not hate speech, it wasjust a comedian doing his job,
you know, and it wasn't eventhat outrageous, right, and so
it seems like it's a very heavyhanded use of authority that
doesn't is not commensurate withwhat happened, right?
That's what I've heard.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Have you heard?
Speaker 1 (13:51):
anything else?
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Well, and the rule right on the heel step of that,
it came out through the, I thinkthe press secretary's office or
department of, or Pete Heggsoffice I can't remember which
which secretary's office ordepartment of or phx itself I
can't remember which whichsecretary's office but that all
the only government allowedmedia, there's an approved
process for uh, releasing media.
(14:13):
So, like the white house pressconferences and things like that
, like they're only going toallow certain messages to be
released, so you're not going toget the story, you're going to
get what they tell you torelease.
Yeah, so that coupled with youknow, uh kimmel, uh the first,
uh knucklehead there, uh,colbert um you know it's been.
(14:34):
It's been clear he's targetedthem.
He said their names and said,like this person.
Yeah, then this person.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Weeks ago yeah right, when colbert went off the air
he said jimmy kimmel is nextright and and now even his
everyday interactions withreporters.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Like a reporter from a news outlet that he doesn't
agree with tries to ask a simple, straightforward question and
he immediately attacks them,immediately degrades them, uh,
will not answer their question,just just attack them.
And it's happened multipletimes where he's told them to
you know, be quiet, and you knowyou're, you're nasty, and yeah,
that's what he says.
That was a nasty question.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
I can't believe you would say something like that
and then that's it, and thensomebody will ask him a very
pandering question and he's likesee, that's the kind of
question I like yeah right,they're always like so how red
is your tie today, mr president?
He's like I've never worn.
My best friend, come on backtomorrow and I'll ask you
another question, you know, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
That's what I loved about Jon Stewart's response.
He did the whole deer leaderyou know tried to.
You know bow down to him.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
And every time the audience would do something that
was like really upsetting.
You know he'd be like shut up,shut up.
You know you don't get it likeyou're doing it wrong yeah, that
was it was really funny yeah,oh, yeah, that would kill me.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yeah, yeah, but, but yeah and then, uh, you know, the
president, in one of his mediasessions, you know, made the
comment that maybe it's not freespeech anymore, because he said
when% of the articles about youare bad, he feels it's just
targeted.
Yeah, the best metaphor I sawon Reddit about that like 97% of
(16:13):
the articles are bad.
It's like whenever you everread a good article about
Jeffrey Dahmer, like, if youdon't want bad articles about
yourself, stop doing bad stuff.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
That's true.
Yeah, if you don't want peopleto say bad things about you,
maybe stop doing bad stuff, yeahyeah reflect.
So let's, let's dig a littledeeper though.
Other than just the topic ofKimmel.
What, what else you know?
Is there other evidence that wesee where not just controlling
(16:45):
speech but, like that, freespeech or the First Amendment is
seems to be up for grabs rightnow?
You know what I'm saying.
Like what other, I see it inother places, but where else do
you see it, you know?
Speaker 2 (17:01):
So well, before we go right there, I also want to
point out that it's not just theleft side bitching about this
right.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Oh yeah, that's true.
Let's not say that.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yeah, yeah.
I just saw Ben Shapiro on hispodcast saying that you know the
SEC threatening licenses andthings like that is not American
.
So this isn't just a left-wingcry.
And Shapiro ends it on theshoes going to be on the other
foot eventually.
You don't do these thingsbecause we wrote these
(17:33):
Absolutely Right before westarted.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Ted Cruz, senator Ted Cruz, you know today said that
exactly that same thing, thatthe FCC threatening licenses was
mob tactics, that was hislanguage Right and that it's
dangerous to the First Amendment.
So I am very grateful to seepeople from kind of deep in the
MAGA, you know bold, saying no,no, no, no, no, like this kind
(18:01):
of stuff is not OK.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
You know it's interesting.
You mentioned the mob tactics.
That's something that Trump hasbeen saying a lot about.
Trying to, you know, go afterAntifa and Democrats and things
like that is try and charge themwith RICO charges.
Oh, that's true, and like, ifI've learned one thing about
these administrations is thatwhen they say something, they're
doing it.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Yes, yeah, we've talked about that a lot, that
they telegraph their movementspretty seriously.
Yeah, that's true, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
And so all this coercion and extortion that that
they have going on, and youknow, money's getting funneled
to a lot of places here and it'snot back to the, the American
people.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
That's true.
There was the thing before we.
You know, we talk about otherexamples cancel culture.
Let's shift over to that.
Let's talk about cancel culture.
How, for the last eight yearsor so, that has been a cry from
the right that cancel culture isrampant, that it's out of
control, that it's all driven bythe left, that it's intolerance
(19:00):
from the left.
The left screams abouttolerance and then shuts people
down and they're not wrong,right well, it's not a solely
left initiative right likepeople, but also remember it
leans into cancel culture.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Now right, the.
The people that were gettingcanceled from the left were
people who were raping people orbeing racist and just like
everybody's okay with it.
You know like if you're comingfrom a place of hate, like, like
, I don't have room for that I,yeah, I I'm not.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Regardless of what they did, that was reprehensible
, the response being to cancel.
It was always put on the left.
As that's your guys.
One trick pony, that's what youdo, yeah you know what I'm
saying as soon as somebody sayssomething that you don't like,
which really is just code foryou, don't they're?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
not on your wavelength.
You know one's inhale and youguys are all uppity about it
yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
So what did we see over the last week?
But politicians, talking heads,news anchors calling for people
to report people that go onsocial media and say mean things
about charlie kirk or say nicethings about the killer or say
(20:15):
anything out of pocket.
They say call your boss.
They say, if you're in themilitary and you see somebody
saying something like that,contact your commander.
Right, like it was crazy thatthey straight up said cancel
your neighbor for sayingsomething on social media right
and I take it.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
I don't even think that's canceling, that's
straight up retaliation, butlike, yeah, you're trying to
create real you knowconsequences to the average
citizen.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
That just you know.
Again, free speech right likeyeah, we can say you know
upsetting things and it's notagainst the law and there
shouldn't be repercussions forthat.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Well, the politicians who threatened districts, their
own districts, to withholdfunds for schools because one of
their teachers said, hey, thisguy isn't somebody to be
glorified.
It's really something as simpleas that.
Hey, this guy isn't somebody tobe glorified.
It's really something as simpleas that.
And they have politicianssaying, oh, we're going to
withhold your funds until thislady is fired.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Yes, and there's been a lot of educators that have
had their jobs threatenedbecause of that stuff, like in
the last week, right.
I mean just people from allkinds of industries, right.
So I'm just saying the falloutis happening, right, and it'll
be very curious to see some ofthat stuff's gonna end up in
court.
Of course, you know, and someof those you know how's that
gonna go down, like people aregonna get fired, wrongfully
(21:34):
fired or whatever, and, uh,they're gonna go to court over
that.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
So yeah, and even if things end up going their way,
they get reinstated back pay,whatever the chaos that it
creates.
Like you don't get that back,like you take years off
somebody's life for over thingslike this, you know just the
stress levels it's like you said, coordinated retaliation,
really, and the way thatlunatics are right now.
(21:58):
If they take it as a threat oran insult to them, they could
easily retaliate physically.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
A woman like that is a public servant in a
neighborhood.
People know where this womanlives.
For people to come out in forcelike this, to come down on
somebody, is just ridiculous.
Witch out somebody, yeah,that's what it is.
I've had situations wheresomebody would post something
that it just was bad timing,Like we don't need the
(22:30):
infighting and stuff like that.
So I'd reach out to those folksand be like, hey, I'm going to
post this, we don't really needthis out there right now.
Like like like you know, and doit like internally, yeah, but
but yeah, you don't need to likedocs people and like threaten
them over social media withledges Like we're not going to
feed a hundred million childrenIf you don't fire this lady.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Yeah, yeah.
So the council culture hasswung in the opposite direction
and it's pretty amazing to seehow swift and violent that swing
in the opposite direction wasright.
And it's earmuffs from thepeople when it's being pointed
out right now, not just in themedia but I think, even in
(23:12):
personal conversations, wherepeople are saying like, hey,
don't you think that's cancelculture, don't you think that's
the stuff that everybody on yourside of the political spectrum
hates?
Um, don't you feel like you'reparticipating in that?
And they just go la, la, la, lala la yeah you know, like they
can't hear it, no, yeah, it's uh.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
yeah, all the the second amendment folks that you
know when they talk about uhtrying to take guns away from
trans people, all the secondamendment folks were quiet.
The NRA actually did come outand supported them, though,
which Wow, yeah, I was.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I shouldn't say, wow, you don't want to.
You want to sell guns and youdon't want to limit the amount
of people that can buy guns.
Right, like you got to remember.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
This is what I always complain about.
People with this too is that italways comes down to
consumerism and you know whereyou spend your dollars.
Uh, because right now peopleare boycotting disney and, like
disney, stocks went down likethree billion dollars overnight.
Yeah, um one, it doesn't matter, that's not real money.
They're going to releaseanother product and they'll make
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that back and, yeah, that's abump in the road for them.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
I don't think anybody cares, yet Moana 3 is coming
out, or something, yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
That's not going to have a huge effect.
But you know companies likeDisney, you know, for so long
they were championed as being,you know, a great progressive
company for champion LGBT andissues like that, and I was like
that's because they can marketto them and sell something.
They don't give two shits aboutthem and as soon as it changes,
they're going to go the otherway.
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And this is exactly whathappened.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
As soon as they changed it, target's getting
raked over the coals becausethey used to have, you know, a
big pride clothing section, youknow, for a month every year,
and then this year they didn'tdo that and people lost their
mind.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
You're out there like hey, you turned your back on
these people and it's like no no, they just realized it was out
of vogue to sell to that peoplethough that group of people,
that's all, yeah, and they'venever cared about you.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Like that's what people need to realize they
don't care about you yeah, itwas like it was a little bit of
false, so you sell you crap.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Yes, to keep you coming back.
That's it Exactly.
Hey, you want to buy a shirt?
Speaker 1 (25:24):
with a rainbow on it.
We have some of those.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Right Unicorn.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Hell, yeah, come on.
Yeah, that's it.
That's all it was, you know,because it's a corporation that
sells stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Don't use a tides turn.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Yeah, I'm always annoyed by corporate virtue
signaling.
I can't stand it, right, Icannot stand it.
From big companies to smallcompanies that want to make some
kind of big public outcry totry and virtue signal, I'm like
no, it's failure product, andkeep your head down.
Like you know, for the mostpart that stuff's not useful,
right.
It's just usually disingenuous,right.
And even if they really aregenuine, it still often comes
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through as pandering or justicky.
You know Right, you know yeah.
So I guess I'm not mad at thembecause, again, this is America.
Go for it.
If it sells more stuff, go forit.
If it makes people feel better,go for it.
But I see it for what it is,and maybe I'm a pessimist, but
the proof's in the pudding andwe're seeing it right now.
You and maybe I'm a pessimist,but I don't.
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You know the proof's in thepudding and we're seeing it
right now.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
You know exactly, Exactly.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Yeah, corporations are going to sell you stuff and
they're going to flop aroundhowever they need to.
I mean, facebook did the samething.
They went from, you know, justdogging the right to kissing the
ring.
You know, like the, you knowall those companies have done
that.
Know, like the, you know allall those companies have done
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that.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
So, uh, tech, tech news tiktok is going to be an
american company soon.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
I did not hear that.
Yeah, it finally happened.
They're gonna have like nineboard seats and eight of them
will be americans.
The biggest thing was thealgorithm.
Right, you know, china hastheir super secret and that was
one of the hardest parts to forkout of the deal.
But it sounds like that got putto where it's going to be owned
by an American company and theChinese algorithm is going to
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not be in the American app.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
So they got a few big companies involved too, like
Oracle is going to be runningthe data services and stuff.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
So we'll see how?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
what happens?
I mean, if it just staysbasically the same, then it'll
be uh, invisible to most peopleyeah, to most people, uh, but,
but the industry itself shouldget some jobs here, uh.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
But that brings me up to a question on the h1b.
Uh, I won't say vaccines uhvisas.
Uh, yeah, they're raising theprice to a hundred thousand
dollars.
Yeah, so so it used to be tenthousand to a hundred thousand
dollars.
Like hospitals aren't going topay for people and like 75 of
interns or attendees right noware foreign students.
(27:54):
Yeah, you know in our hospitalsthat hospitals pay for them to
come here on these h1bs to getmedical training.
I didn't think about medicalpeople.
You know in our hospitals thatthat hospitals pay for them to
come here on these H1Bs to getmedical training.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
I didn't think about medical people, you know.
I was just thinking about thetech industry, cause that's what
I work in, right, right, and soI hadn't thought about you know
.
Of course it affects otherindustries.
I just, I only saw the newsthis morning.
So my first you know process.
On, it was like oh well, youknow, tech people will.
Tech companies will not bepaying that extra chunk for
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people, they'd rather just hirean American, you know like there
are plenty of Americans to dothose jobs.
So you know for on the tech sideanyway.
But you're right, there areother industries that maybe
would are going to have some lagor some shortages because of
that.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yeah, and I think it just creates that, that elite.
You know more elite class.
You know the folks that aregoing to be using those H1B
visas in to whatever industrythey're not going to be like
most qualified in that in fromtheir area, like a South African
with a hundred thousand dollars, just is not going to be as
qualified as you know, orpossibly not as qualified as a
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South African with $10,000.
You is not going to be asqualified as you know, or
possibly not as qualified as aSouth African with $10,000.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
You know what I mean.
So, like you're, you're, you're, you're sitting in your, you're
sitting in your crop ofexclusionary yeah, it's
exclusionary.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, cause like 2% of the world's
population and you can breakdown to other demographics are
geniuses that need to haveaccess to other resources and be
able to come in there, but theycan't.
That's not even a logical dreamfor them at that point.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Employers are often paying those fees.
So if the employer wants thatgenius, then maybe they're going
to fork that money out for agenius.
You know what I'm saying?
It'll change the scope of whatjobs are even eligible to have
that kind of yeah, opportunityis really what it comes down to.
Um, you know, a job that makesunder a hundred thousand dollars
a year is not gonna and they'renot gonna bring anybody over on
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that.
You know what I'm saying.
It doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
So yeah, oh, and here's another thing with uh,
the visas and the immigrationissues, the uh, the hyundai
plant that was raided and theytook out a bunch of Koreans.
The Koreans were here on aspecial visa that made it so
like they come here, they don'tget paid, they get like room and
board and then they get paidwhen they get home, but while
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they're here for their three tosix months, whatever it is they
train the factory workers, theAmerican factory workers, on how
to work the equipment and doeverything, yeah, and we took
all those, the equipment and doeverything.
Yeah, uh.
And we took all those peopleand sent them home, yeah, yeah,
and humiliated them on the wayto.
You know, like ice isn't like afour-star resort.
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Like ice detention is way worsethan what a Giselle Maxwell is
getting right now you know.
So so the Korean government issaying we're not sending folks
there anymore.
Yeah, you know, to do thesetrainings and things like that.
So now our factories are gonnahave, instead of having 8 000
more jobs of trains, highlytrained, skilled workers,
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they're gonna they're gonnasuffer.
You know, I doubt they're gonnashut down.
Their price is gonna put out ashittier product because that
factory is not union.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Yes, I'll point that out sunk investment is not going
to just sit there and collectdust.
They're going to turn themachine on and somebody's going
to figure it out.
You know they'll do videotraining.
Honestly they will.
They'll have people in koreathat are on just doing what
we're doing right now, talkingto the engineers going, okay, do
this, do that, turn this on,turn that on.
Like that's gonna be the wayit'll have to go right.
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They'll just do some virtualtraining from across the world.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
It's sad that that's where we're at, though well,
yeah, and that initial storythat we're here legally.
They were here legally on astatus, yeah, and we just
rounded them up like cattle andhumiliated them and sent them
out.
Did you.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
You hear about the person that reported them.
She's running for some office,right, and so it was basically
wanting to cozy up to theadministration to get a little
recognition right To getattention and get money and get
an endorsement, right.
And so she was like I'm goingto call these people in, right?
It looks like there's some kindof work camp over there, which
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I mean it was, but it was legalprocess like you said.
No, wouldn't, wouldn't theinvestigation, because they were
like this was a months-longinvestigation.
Yeah, no where was thepaperwork?
Speaker 2 (32:16):
they heard investigate.
Yeah, they were like, oh,they're not white, they're not
white, we'll be right there.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
And they showed up that's all I had to hear.
Had the paperwork?
Does ice talk to the statedepartment or not?
Speaker 2 (32:27):
you know like I doubt they know what the paperwork
even looks like.
Yeah, yeah there's.
It's just incredible theimpunity that ice is rolling
with.
Um governor newsom today didput out a one of his cryptic
tweets about Kristi Noem's goingto have a bad day today, so I
don't know what kind of lawthey're going to set in
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California.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Yeah, I heard about that, and then there was some
scurry about his mediadepartment and like was that an
authorized message or whathappened?
I don't know, I didn't hear.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Was there Because some attorney general said like
oh, we take this as a threat andblah, blah, blah.
Okay yeah, but uh yeah yeah.
I hope it's a, I hope it'slegislation that says that you
can't like law enforcement,can't wear masks like that.
You know, take your mask off,have identification on you.
Um, yeah, that you know.
(33:22):
Take your mask off, haveidentification on you.
Um, yeah, because that's reallythe biggest issue right now is
not the biggest issue, like thebiggest issue is stealing people
off the streets, but, but youknow, one of the things with
that is that when you just walklike all their gear that they're
wearing is easily attainableand anybody can roll up in a
dark suv and grab people youknow like like very true.
You can go down to the surplusstore.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
There's five of them here in Colorado Springs.
You can buy that full outfitfor $200.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, take it to Murnau's, getsome patches.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Yeah, sheriff's patch , dude, you can order a
Sheriff's patch on the internetright now.
It'll be here tomorrow.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Yeah, order a terrorist patch on the internet
right now.
It'll be here tomorrow.
You know what I'm saying.
Yeah, yeah, so having properidentification, demasking these
folks, because you know there'sbeen a lot of studies that show,
when people are know they'rebeing recorded, they act
differently, yeah, yeah, theybehave very differently, yeah,
uh.
So, yeah, it's, uh, it'ssomething that needs to be
looked into, so it'll beinteresting to see what he comes
up with, hopefully, yeah, soon.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Yeah, more to follow on that, I guess.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Well, I guess around the horn.
Last thing is there anythingelse going on, or is that?
I think that's about it.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Yeah, yeah, it's been a busy few days or since we
last talked, but yeah, I thinkthat's.
Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of
Left Face.
I am your co-host, dickWilkinson, and I'm joined with
Adam Gillard.
This is the Pipe Peak Regionarea podcast, where we talk
about political topics through aveteran's point of view and we
are catching up on the week'sevents.
Adam and I had a couple ofideas for the show today, but
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first we're going to start withsome announcements.
So, adam, how are you doingtoday and what's coming up in
the local area?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I'm doing pretty good , man.
Some of the big things thatwe're looking at coming up are
the El Paso County DemocratsCounty Party, where they have a
big gala.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
It's at the Doubletree this year and they'll
actually have Senator Bennettand Attorney General Phil Weiser
speaking there, and they'reboth candidates for governor, so
it'll be interesting to haveboth candidates like primary
candidates for governor talkingin the same room and being able
to hear something yeah, it's nota debate, but I mean, of course
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they're aware that they'regoing to be in the same room
kind of it's like a head-to-head, you know, sort of cook-off
without it being a debate.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
But I mean, of course they're aware that they're
going to be in the same room,kind of it's like a head to head
, you know, sort of cook off,without it being a debate.
Right, I'm excited, right, yeah, and I'm really curious on how
they're deciding who's speakingwhen.
And first and last, becausePhil Weiser is a good public
speaker.
He can get a crowd going, right, bennett is knowledgeable, but
he's not like a energeticspeaker, so, like him, following
phil weiser could be a tough,tough all for him, but I think
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he would.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I think that's how it would go, you know yeah, I
agree, I think uh sort of aseniority type order right yeah,
yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
the next, uh, kind of big things.
We're still really focusing onthat.
That October 18th protest.
It's going to be another one ofthe national days of protests
no Kings 2.0.
So we're still working with thecity to get a location because
we're expecting, you know, a fewthousand folks there, okay
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there.
So we're trying to make sureeverybody gets to a place, that
everyone can stay safe and stilluse their First Amendment
rights that we currently have,dwindling by the second.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yeah, by then they may be gone.
That's a few weeks away.
Since we're going to talk aboutit on the show today, of course
we'll cover why that's underthreat.
We'll see.
That's a few weeks away, man,things are.
Things are in jeopardy rightnow yeah, yeah, they change very
quickly.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Uh, I just read uh a little bit on um how the
philippines dismantled theirdemocracy and put uh duarte yeah
into the dictatorship.
Yeah, it's eerie, uh, like howthey use social media and
influence, like that, the cambraanalytical stuff.
Yeah it's, it's amazing howthey use that stuff and it's
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like they're blueprinting it andthey're.
It's the same thing that'sgoing on with our democracy.
You know the way they'redismantling it.
Yeah, it's really crazy how, umthey're using these platforms
to just create extremism.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Well, the good news is that Duterte is at the Hague
and under arrest and going to goon trial for crimes against
humanity.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if the US tries to
interject in that the way thatwe're trying to protect
Venezuela's dictator there.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Yeah, I don't.
I mean I yes, we, yes, we could, but the hay kind of doesn't
care, right like they don't,they're not going to hold into
any us influence.
So yeah, but we also don't seeit as a very legitimate process
from the us perspective either.
Right, like most americans arelike, okay, that's interesting.
Whatever, like we, we don'tfeel like any of our any
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americans would ever sit fortrial there.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Right like basically we would ignore the court.
You know and like absolutely100, that's 100 the, the
mentality and 100 the problem.
You know like when people actwith impunity, like they abuse
power, that just is what happensI mean.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
But america, brother, you know, like that's it,
there's not.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
We don't have to say much more than that we did good
for 60 years or so, but uh, yeah, yeah, I'm just saying I think
we're good without the hague,I'm I'm in that camp.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
You know, if the hague exists in the world,
that's fine, but america beingon the out of bounds with the
hague, I'm okay with.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
That is what I'm saying you know, so you know
what.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
What happens when our leaders do commit war crimes
well, I don't think that thehague would have anything to do
with.
It is what I'm saying, so Ijust some.
Something else would happen.
I don't know.
We'd have another civil war orwe'd have some other situation
would happen.
I don't think they'd end upbeing going to court.
There is what I'm saying.
There could be a consequence,but it wouldn't be exacted by
that international worldcriminal court.
(04:47):
Yeah, see what I'm saying.
Yeah, well, I know who won't begetting upset with us anytime
soon, and that's England,because they just had Trump over
there.
So let's start on the.
We always like to.
We go lighthearted to dark andscary right.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Yeah, well, they had trump in, like every billionaire
in the world over there oh,yeah, okay, uh, they had a
summit, a big money summit.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Oh, I did see that dinner that they had, where they
had a lot of royalty there,yeah, um.
So the thing that I enjoyedmost about trump's trip to
england was that they uh therewere people that don't like
donald trump in england uh, andthey, every time he comes visit,
they make sure and make somekind of public spectacle.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, they had that giant baby.
I think they were the ones thatcame with that giant baby first
.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
And so this time around they went a little bit.
They took a deeper cut castleand projected like a 35 foot
tall uh image of him and jeffreyepstein and like rotating
images of like the the page outof the birthday book and like
different pictures of themtogether.
(05:54):
Uh, and it was just on thecastle like for a while, you
know, and um, I just it.
I enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I love the.
Was it guerrilla protesting?
You know the chalk art, thethings like that projecting on
buildings because nobody'sgetting hurt and you're just
spreading information, you know.
If you take offense to it, wellwhy?
Why are you taking offense toDonald Trump's arm around
Jeffrey Epstein?
Yeah, why does that make youmad?
What reason does it make youmad for?
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Not the?
Speaker 1 (06:24):
right reason?
Yeah, why does that make youmad?
What reason does it make youmad?
For Right?
Not the right reason?
Yeah, for sure.
Yes, very true.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Everybody might feel something about it, but there's
nothing good about it Right.
Yeah, that's true.
We need people to wake up andyou know, care about these
things.
For so long we've taught peopleto be apathetic to the
political process and everything.
Yeah, so long we've taughtpeople to be apathetic to the
political process and everything, yeah, and we allow these
things to happen, like this isthe results of not caring or not
wanting to talk politics, oryou know, just wake up, man,
like you just gave, gave americaaway hey, uh, woke is dead,
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adam, you can't say wake upanymore.
All right, and you find somekind of sno, kind of new button
or something.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Yeah.
So the thing that I thought wasmost interesting about the
visit over there was DonaldTrump stood up and he was
talking about America and hesaid America is the hottest
country in the world and there'sno doubt about it, and there's
no country in the world that'seven close.
And he says this as he'sstanding next to King Charles,
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the leader of the country thathe is currently being hosted in
as a guest, as a guest of honor,and he said my country is
better than yours.
I'm the coolest guy in theworld and thanks for having me
over at your dinner party.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
You know that opens up the dance.
Right, and thanks for having meover at your dinner party.
You know the look on his face,yeah, the look on his face was
just like this mother yeah, thatwas, that was a good moment too
, uh the first lady not takingher hat off in the castle there,
so she just walked around likecarmen san diego the whole time,
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like that was pretty cool too.
Yeah, yeah, they uh just blowup any kind of like uh decorum
yeah, the yeah popster dancething.
Yeah, they just completelyshatter all that just to make a
scene yeah but, other than that,not much uh news from the trip.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
I mean the.
The idea was that it wassupposed to smooth over some
ties and like do something aboutthe tariffs and all this other
stuff, right, but I it really.
It was just a fun little tour.
If anything, right, I don'tfeel like there was much
political benefit to it, right.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
No, and I mean the tariff stuff.
I mean we were getting hit sohard on that and with it being
ruled illegal right now, uh, bythe courts, the government is
going to have to pay trillionsof dollars back to these
businesses not, but not back to,like, consumers or anything
like that who have had ourprices jacked up, but back to
the businesses.
So it's really just anothermoney transfer back to the, to
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private corporations it could be, yeah, it could backfire that
way I mean, if we look athistory here, with donald trump
into it, you know he's alwaysgiving money to his friends.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Well, he said america is going to be rich.
And so I mean, if those peopleare technically americans, you
know, technically it is thelittle promises kept you, you
know.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Yeah, like all of it, the entire administration and
that entire side.
Really, their ability to playlike word judo and mental
gymnastics over all these things, to like get what they want and
make it seem okay with them, isjust Applaudable at this point.
Like man, you guys did greattaking over America.
Like you destroyed us Great job.
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At this point.
Like man, you guys did greattaking over america.
Like you, you destroyed us.
Great job.
Like that.
Like you treated the bill ofrights and our amendments as
like a checklist of shit todestroy and you're just knocking
them off so I heard a funnyjoke.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
We'll use that to transition into the first
amendment.
You know being um questionableas far as how valuable it is in
the current culture.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Let's say that.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
And the joke that was funny because it was on the
Daily Show and she said we knowyou all love the Second
Amendment, but you have to readthe first one first, you know,
because right there you got, youcan't you know, don't skip it
If you're only going to read thefirst one and the second one.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
That's the problem with having a society with ADHD.
Now we can't just read itstraight through, we've got to
skip around.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
So the issue at hand that's happened since last
episode that we recorded wasMonday night, Jimmy Kimmel man,
if you saw, did you watch thevideo clip of his monologue and
what he said?
It was so benign.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
But it was kind of targeted at Trump.
It was kind of targeted atTrump.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
I mean, it was as far as outcry goes.
It was just very, it wasn'tthat offensive or harsh, he
wasn't.
He didn't.
You know what I'm saying?
It was very light touch joke,right absolutely.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
and a few days before that, or when it initially
happened, uh, he wrote a tweetor an extra, whatever platform I
was on, where he said like, hey, this is unacceptable.
Uh, my our thoughts and go outto his family and his kids, this
is unacceptable.
And he condemned it immediatelyand said how horrific it was.
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And then that pain joke onMonday, which again was more
targeted at Trump um is what setoff this, uh, this absolute
destruction of the firstamendment?
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Yeah, and and so the the series of events that that
took place was he made, made thejokes.
The next day, the chair of theFCC is on a podcast and he says
you know, disney really shouldbuckle down and figure out
what's going on over there,Cause they're, they're being
offensive and they, they have tooperate with the best interest
of the public.
And Jimmy Kimmel is, is is notrepresentative of that.
(12:05):
And so that was just this emptyor not empty, but this like
threat.
You know that wasn't noofficial um vehicle was used, it
was this dude making anoff-the-cuff statement and then
immediately, they were aboutthat.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Are you sure that that was the only communication?
Speaker 1 (12:21):
as far as I know, yeah, um, they they didn't send
them official correspondence tosay like you're in trouble.
The other thing that happenedwas the local stations that
carry ABC.
That was the part that also putpressure on Disney.
It went from both FCC said thatadvertisers started to get a
little shaky, and then localcarriers said we cannot carry
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any show we want, right, and sowe're just, you know, not going
to carry it.
And that was like 200 something.
Stations said we just won'tshow it.
And so Disney said okay, we'regoing to figure out something
else for the time slot, for thetime being, right, so he's not
fired and the show's not off theair yet.
Right, they're going to pay thestaff throughout next week,
even while they're stillfiguring stuff out.
But they took it off the airbecause of all this pressure,
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right, but there was no officialcorrespondence or threat to
suspend their license other thanhis comments, as far as I know.
Right, but they took him offthe air and since then the I
don't even call it backlash it'sbeen an explosion of
conversation really.
It's been both directions rightAbout.
Is this appropriate?
The resounding thing that Ihear is it's a threat to the, to
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free speech.
It's a threat to the FirstAmendment.
It was not hate speech, it wasjust a comedian doing his job,
you know, and it wasn't eventhat outrageous, right, and so
it seems like it's a very heavyhanded use of authority that
doesn't is not commensurate withwhat happened, right?
That's what I've heard.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Have you heard?
Speaker 1 (13:51):
anything else?
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Well, and the rule right on the heel step of that,
it came out through the, I thinkthe press secretary's office or
department of, or Pete Heggsoffice I can't remember which
which secretary's office ordepartment of or phx itself I
can't remember which whichsecretary's office but that all
the only government allowedmedia, there's an approved
process for uh, releasing media.
(14:13):
So, like the white house pressconferences and things like that
, like they're only going toallow certain messages to be
released, so you're not going toget the story, you're going to
get what they tell you torelease.
Yeah, so that coupled with youknow, uh kimmel, uh the first,
uh knucklehead there, uh,colbert um you know it's been.
(14:34):
It's been clear he's targetedthem.
He said their names and said,like this person.
Yeah, then this person.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Weeks ago yeah right, when colbert went off the air
he said jimmy kimmel is nextright and and now even his
everyday interactions withreporters.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Like a reporter from a news outlet that he doesn't
agree with tries to ask a simple, straightforward question and
he immediately attacks them,immediately degrades them, uh,
will not answer their question,just just attack them.
And it's happened multipletimes where he's told them to
you know, be quiet, and you knowyou're, you're nasty, and yeah,
that's what he says.
That was a nasty question.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
I can't believe you would say something like that
and then that's it, and thensomebody will ask him a very
pandering question and he's likesee, that's the kind of
question I like yeah right,they're always like so how red
is your tie today, mr president?
He's like I've never worn.
My best friend, come on backtomorrow and I'll ask you
another question, you know, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
That's what I loved about Jon Stewart's response.
He did the whole deer leaderyou know tried to.
You know bow down to him.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
And every time the audience would do something that
was like really upsetting.
You know he'd be like shut up,shut up.
You know you don't get it likeyou're doing it wrong yeah, that
was it was really funny yeah,oh, yeah, that would kill me.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yeah, yeah, but, but yeah and then, uh, you know, the
president, in one of his mediasessions, you know, made the
comment that maybe it's not freespeech anymore, because he said
when% of the articles about youare bad, he feels it's just
targeted.
Yeah, the best metaphor I sawon Reddit about that like 97% of
(16:13):
the articles are bad.
It's like whenever you everread a good article about
Jeffrey Dahmer, like, if youdon't want bad articles about
yourself, stop doing bad stuff.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
That's true.
Yeah, if you don't want peopleto say bad things about you,
maybe stop doing bad stuff, yeahyeah reflect.
So let's, let's dig a littledeeper though.
Other than just the topic ofKimmel.
What, what else you know?
Is there other evidence that wesee where not just controlling
(16:45):
speech but, like that, freespeech or the First Amendment is
seems to be up for grabs rightnow?
You know what I'm saying.
Like what other, I see it inother places, but where else do
you see it, you know?
Speaker 2 (17:01):
So well, before we go right there, I also want to
point out that it's not just theleft side bitching about this
right.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Oh yeah, that's true.
Let's not say that.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yeah, yeah.
I just saw Ben Shapiro on hispodcast saying that you know the
SEC threatening licenses andthings like that is not American
.
So this isn't just a left-wingcry.
And Shapiro ends it on theshoes going to be on the other
foot eventually.
You don't do these thingsbecause we wrote these
(17:33):
Absolutely Right before westarted.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Ted Cruz, senator Ted Cruz, you know today said that
exactly that same thing, thatthe FCC threatening licenses was
mob tactics, that was hislanguage Right and that it's
dangerous to the First Amendment.
So I am very grateful to seepeople from kind of deep in the
MAGA, you know bold, saying no,no, no, no, no, like this kind
(18:01):
of stuff is not OK.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
You know it's interesting.
You mentioned the mob tactics.
That's something that Trump hasbeen saying a lot about.
Trying to, you know, go afterAntifa and Democrats and things
like that is try and charge themwith RICO charges.
Oh, that's true, and like, ifI've learned one thing about
these administrations is thatwhen they say something, they're
doing it.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Yes, yeah, we've talked about that a lot, that
they telegraph their movementspretty seriously.
Yeah, that's true, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
And so all this coercion and extortion that that
they have going on, and youknow, money's getting funneled
to a lot of places here and it'snot back to the, the American
people.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
That's true.
There was the thing before we.
You know, we talk about otherexamples cancel culture.
Let's shift over to that.
Let's talk about cancel culture.
How, for the last eight yearsor so, that has been a cry from
the right that cancel culture isrampant, that it's out of
control, that it's all driven bythe left, that it's intolerance
(19:00):
from the left.
The left screams abouttolerance and then shuts people
down and they're not wrong,right well, it's not a solely
left initiative right likepeople, but also remember it
leans into cancel culture.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Now right, the.
The people that were gettingcanceled from the left were
people who were raping people orbeing racist and just like
everybody's okay with it.
You know like if you're comingfrom a place of hate, like, like
, I don't have room for that I,yeah, I I'm not.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Regardless of what they did, that was reprehensible
, the response being to cancel.
It was always put on the left.
As that's your guys.
One trick pony, that's what youdo, yeah you know what I'm
saying as soon as somebody sayssomething that you don't like,
which really is just code foryou, don't they're?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
not on your wavelength.
You know one's inhale and youguys are all uppity about it
yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
So what did we see over the last week?
But politicians, talking heads,news anchors calling for people
to report people that go onsocial media and say mean things
about charlie kirk or say nicethings about the killer or say
(20:15):
anything out of pocket.
They say call your boss.
They say, if you're in themilitary and you see somebody
saying something like that,contact your commander.
Right, like it was crazy thatthey straight up said cancel
your neighbor for sayingsomething on social media right
and I take it.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
I don't even think that's canceling, that's
straight up retaliation, butlike, yeah, you're trying to
create real you knowconsequences to the average
citizen.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
That just you know.
Again, free speech right likeyeah, we can say you know
upsetting things and it's notagainst the law and there
shouldn't be repercussions forthat.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Well, the politicians who threatened districts, their
own districts, to withholdfunds for schools because one of
their teachers said, hey, thisguy isn't somebody to be
glorified.
It's really something as simpleas that.
Hey, this guy isn't somebody tobe glorified.
It's really something as simpleas that.
And they have politicianssaying, oh, we're going to
withhold your funds until thislady is fired.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Yes, and there's been a lot of educators that have
had their jobs threatenedbecause of that stuff, like in
the last week, right.
I mean just people from allkinds of industries, right.
So I'm just saying the falloutis happening, right, and it'll
be very curious to see some ofthat stuff's gonna end up in
court.
Of course, you know, and someof those you know how's that
gonna go down, like people aregonna get fired, wrongfully
(21:34):
fired or whatever, and, uh,they're gonna go to court over
that.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
So yeah, and even if things end up going their way,
they get reinstated back pay,whatever the chaos that it
creates.
Like you don't get that back,like you take years off
somebody's life for over thingslike this, you know just the
stress levels it's like you said, coordinated retaliation,
really, and the way thatlunatics are right now.
(21:58):
If they take it as a threat oran insult to them, they could
easily retaliate physically.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
A woman like that is a public servant in a
neighborhood.
People know where this womanlives.
For people to come out in forcelike this, to come down on
somebody, is just ridiculous.
Witch out somebody, yeah,that's what it is.
I've had situations wheresomebody would post something
that it just was bad timing,Like we don't need the
(22:30):
infighting and stuff like that.
So I'd reach out to those folksand be like, hey, I'm going to
post this, we don't really needthis out there right now.
Like like like you know, and doit like internally, yeah, but
but yeah, you don't need to likedocs people and like threaten
them over social media withledges Like we're not going to
feed a hundred million childrenIf you don't fire this lady.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Yeah, yeah.
So the council culture hasswung in the opposite direction
and it's pretty amazing to seehow swift and violent that swing
in the opposite direction wasright.
And it's earmuffs from thepeople when it's being pointed
out right now, not just in themedia but I think, even in
(23:12):
personal conversations, wherepeople are saying like, hey,
don't you think that's cancelculture, don't you think that's
the stuff that everybody on yourside of the political spectrum
hates?
Um, don't you feel like you'reparticipating in that?
And they just go la, la, la, lala la yeah you know, like they
can't hear it, no, yeah, it's uh.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
yeah, all the the second amendment folks that you
know when they talk about uhtrying to take guns away from
trans people, all the secondamendment folks were quiet.
The NRA actually did come outand supported them, though,
which Wow, yeah, I was.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I shouldn't say, wow, you don't want to.
You want to sell guns and youdon't want to limit the amount
of people that can buy guns.
Right, like you got to remember.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
This is what I always complain about.
People with this too is that italways comes down to
consumerism and you know whereyou spend your dollars.
Uh, because right now peopleare boycotting disney and, like
disney, stocks went down likethree billion dollars overnight.
Yeah, um one, it doesn't matter, that's not real money.
They're going to releaseanother product and they'll make
(24:17):
that back and, yeah, that's abump in the road for them.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
I don't think anybody cares, yet Moana 3 is coming
out, or something, yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
That's not going to have a huge effect.
But you know companies likeDisney, you know, for so long
they were championed as being,you know, a great progressive
company for champion LGBT andissues like that, and I was like
that's because they can marketto them and sell something.
They don't give two shits aboutthem and as soon as it changes,
they're going to go the otherway.
(24:46):
And this is exactly whathappened.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
As soon as they changed it, target's getting
raked over the coals becausethey used to have, you know, a
big pride clothing section, youknow, for a month every year,
and then this year they didn'tdo that and people lost their
mind.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
You're out there like hey, you turned your back on
these people and it's like no no, they just realized it was out
of vogue to sell to that peoplethough that group of people,
that's all, yeah, and they'venever cared about you.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Like that's what people need to realize they
don't care about you yeah, itwas like it was a little bit of
false, so you sell you crap.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Yes, to keep you coming back.
That's it Exactly.
Hey, you want to buy a shirt?
Speaker 1 (25:24):
with a rainbow on it.
We have some of those.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Right Unicorn.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Hell, yeah, come on.
Yeah, that's it.
That's all it was, you know,because it's a corporation that
sells stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Don't use a tides turn.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Yeah, I'm always annoyed by corporate virtue
signaling.
I can't stand it, right, Icannot stand it.
From big companies to smallcompanies that want to make some
kind of big public outcry totry and virtue signal, I'm like
no, it's failure product, andkeep your head down.
Like you know, for the mostpart that stuff's not useful,
right.
It's just usually disingenuous,right.
And even if they really aregenuine, it still often comes
(25:58):
through as pandering or justicky.
You know Right, you know yeah.
So I guess I'm not mad at thembecause, again, this is America.
Go for it.
If it sells more stuff, go forit.
If it makes people feel better,go for it.
But I see it for what it is,and maybe I'm a pessimist, but
the proof's in the pudding andwe're seeing it right now.
You and maybe I'm a pessimist,but I don't.
(26:18):
You know the proof's in thepudding and we're seeing it
right now.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
You know exactly, Exactly.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Yeah, corporations are going to sell you stuff and
they're going to flop aroundhowever they need to.
I mean, facebook did the samething.
They went from, you know, justdogging the right to kissing the
ring.
You know, like the, you knowall those companies have done
that.
Know, like the, you know allall those companies have done
(26:45):
that.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
So, uh, tech, tech news tiktok is going to be an
american company soon.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
I did not hear that.
Yeah, it finally happened.
They're gonna have like nineboard seats and eight of them
will be americans.
The biggest thing was thealgorithm.
Right, you know, china hastheir super secret and that was
one of the hardest parts to forkout of the deal.
But it sounds like that got putto where it's going to be owned
by an American company and theChinese algorithm is going to
(27:10):
not be in the American app.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
So they got a few big companies involved too, like
Oracle is going to be runningthe data services and stuff.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
So we'll see how?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
what happens?
I mean, if it just staysbasically the same, then it'll
be uh, invisible to most peopleyeah, to most people, uh, but,
but the industry itself shouldget some jobs here, uh.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
But that brings me up to a question on the h1b.
Uh, I won't say vaccines uhvisas.
Uh, yeah, they're raising theprice to a hundred thousand
dollars.
Yeah, so so it used to be tenthousand to a hundred thousand
dollars.
Like hospitals aren't going topay for people and like 75 of
interns or attendees right noware foreign students.
(27:54):
Yeah, you know in our hospitalsthat hospitals pay for them to
come here on these h1bs to getmedical training.
I didn't think about medicalpeople.
You know in our hospitals thatthat hospitals pay for them to
come here on these H1Bs to getmedical training.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
I didn't think about medical people, you know.
I was just thinking about thetech industry, cause that's what
I work in, right, right, and soI hadn't thought about you know
.
Of course it affects otherindustries.
I just, I only saw the newsthis morning.
So my first you know process.
On, it was like oh well, youknow, tech people will.
Tech companies will not bepaying that extra chunk for
(28:22):
people, they'd rather just hirean American, you know like there
are plenty of Americans to dothose jobs.
So you know for on the tech sideanyway.
But you're right, there areother industries that maybe
would are going to have some lagor some shortages because of
that.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yeah, and I think it just creates that, that elite.
You know more elite class.
You know the folks that aregoing to be using those H1B
visas in to whatever industrythey're not going to be like
most qualified in that in fromtheir area, like a South African
with a hundred thousand dollars, just is not going to be as
qualified as you know, orpossibly not as qualified as a
(28:57):
South African with $10,000.
You is not going to be asqualified as you know, or
possibly not as qualified as aSouth African with $10,000.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
You know what I mean.
So, like you're, you're, you're, you're sitting in your, you're
sitting in your crop ofexclusionary yeah, it's
exclusionary.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, cause like 2% of the world's
population and you can breakdown to other demographics are
geniuses that need to haveaccess to other resources and be
able to come in there, but theycan't.
That's not even a logical dreamfor them at that point.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Employers are often paying those fees.
So if the employer wants thatgenius, then maybe they're going
to fork that money out for agenius.
You know what I'm saying?
It'll change the scope of whatjobs are even eligible to have
that kind of yeah, opportunityis really what it comes down to.
Um, you know, a job that makesunder a hundred thousand dollars
a year is not gonna and they'renot gonna bring anybody over on
(29:47):
that.
You know what I'm saying.
It doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
So yeah, oh, and here's another thing with uh,
the visas and the immigrationissues, the uh, the hyundai
plant that was raided and theytook out a bunch of Koreans.
The Koreans were here on aspecial visa that made it so
like they come here, they don'tget paid, they get like room and
board and then they get paidwhen they get home, but while
(30:09):
they're here for their three tosix months, whatever it is they
train the factory workers, theAmerican factory workers, on how
to work the equipment and doeverything, yeah, and we took
all those, the equipment and doeverything.
Yeah, uh.
And we took all those peopleand sent them home, yeah, yeah,
and humiliated them on the wayto.
You know, like ice isn't like afour-star resort.
(30:30):
Like ice detention is way worsethan what a Giselle Maxwell is
getting right now you know.
So so the Korean government issaying we're not sending folks
there anymore.
Yeah, you know, to do thesetrainings and things like that.
So now our factories are gonnahave, instead of having 8 000
more jobs of trains, highlytrained, skilled workers,
(30:51):
they're gonna they're gonnasuffer.
You know, I doubt they're gonnashut down.
Their price is gonna put out ashittier product because that
factory is not union.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Yes, I'll point that out sunk investment is not going
to just sit there and collectdust.
They're going to turn themachine on and somebody's going
to figure it out.
You know they'll do videotraining.
Honestly they will.
They'll have people in koreathat are on just doing what
we're doing right now, talkingto the engineers going, okay, do
this, do that, turn this on,turn that on.
Like that's gonna be the wayit'll have to go right.
(31:20):
They'll just do some virtualtraining from across the world.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
It's sad that that's where we're at, though well,
yeah, and that initial storythat we're here legally.
They were here legally on astatus, yeah, and we just
rounded them up like cattle andhumiliated them and sent them
out.
Did you.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
You hear about the person that reported them.
She's running for some office,right, and so it was basically
wanting to cozy up to theadministration to get a little
recognition right To getattention and get money and get
an endorsement, right.
And so she was like I'm goingto call these people in, right?
It looks like there's some kindof work camp over there, which
(32:02):
I mean it was, but it was legalprocess like you said.
No, wouldn't, wouldn't theinvestigation, because they were
like this was a months-longinvestigation.
Yeah, no where was thepaperwork?
Speaker 2 (32:16):
they heard investigate.
Yeah, they were like, oh,they're not white, they're not
white, we'll be right there.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
And they showed up that's all I had to hear.
Had the paperwork?
Does ice talk to the statedepartment or not?
Speaker 2 (32:27):
you know like I doubt they know what the paperwork
even looks like.
Yeah, yeah there's.
It's just incredible theimpunity that ice is rolling
with.
Um governor newsom today didput out a one of his cryptic
tweets about Kristi Noem's goingto have a bad day today, so I
don't know what kind of lawthey're going to set in
(32:48):
California.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Yeah, I heard about that, and then there was some
scurry about his mediadepartment and like was that an
authorized message or whathappened?
I don't know, I didn't hear.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Was there Because some attorney general said like
oh, we take this as a threat andblah, blah, blah.
Okay yeah, but uh yeah yeah.
I hope it's a, I hope it'slegislation that says that you
can't like law enforcement,can't wear masks like that.
You know, take your mask off,have identification on you.
Um, yeah, that you know.
(33:22):
Take your mask off, haveidentification on you.
Um, yeah, because that's reallythe biggest issue right now is
not the biggest issue, like thebiggest issue is stealing people
off the streets, but, but youknow, one of the things with
that is that when you just walklike all their gear that they're
wearing is easily attainableand anybody can roll up in a
dark suv and grab people youknow like like very true.
You can go down to the surplusstore.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
There's five of them here in Colorado Springs.
You can buy that full outfitfor $200.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, take it to Murnau's, getsome patches.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Yeah, sheriff's patch , dude, you can order a
Sheriff's patch on the internetright now.
It'll be here tomorrow.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Yeah, order a terrorist patch on the internet
right now.
It'll be here tomorrow.
You know what I'm saying.
Yeah, yeah, so having properidentification, demasking these
folks, because you know there'sbeen a lot of studies that show,
when people are know they'rebeing recorded, they act
differently, yeah, yeah, theybehave very differently, yeah,
uh.
So, yeah, it's, uh, it'ssomething that needs to be
looked into, so it'll beinteresting to see what he comes
up with, hopefully, yeah, soon.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Yeah, more to follow on that, I guess.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Well, I guess around the horn.
Last thing is there anythingelse going on, or is that?
I think that's about it.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Yeah, yeah, it's been a busy few days or since we
last talked, but yeah, I thinkthat's.
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