May 8, 2025 • 37 mins
The constitutional crisis unfolding through mass deportations takes center stage as veteran hosts Dick Wilkinson and Adam Gillard deliver a powerful examination of government accountability in their latest Left Face podcast episode.
From the ongoing situation with Kilmar, now separated from his family for 57 days, to the disturbing immigration raid in Colorado Springs where over 100 people were taken with minimal transparency, the hosts expose a pattern of due process violations that should concern all Americans regardless of political affiliation. "If you don't have due process on the other side of the law, you have tyranny," Dick observes, cutting to the heart of why these operations represent a fundamental threat to constitutional governance.
The conversation pivots to their recent meeting with Representative Jeff Crank's office, where they advocated for greater veteran representation in congressional staff. When a staff member dismissively questioned whether a "tank driver" could handle constituent services, it revealed a profound misunderstanding of the leadership skills veterans develop. As Adam eloquently explains, "It doesn't matter if you were a cook or an intelligence officer - it's the service, mentality, training, and leadership that matter." Their proposal for a fellowship program to place veterans in these roles highlights a practical solution that would benefit both veterans and the communities they serve.
Dick and Adam bring their military expertise to bear on budget priorities as well, contrasting the billions spent on troubled weapons systems with inadequate support for service members. Their perspective illuminates how small, innovative businesses deliver exponentially more value per dollar than massive defense contractors who operate with "blank check mentality." This veteran-focused analysis provides listeners with a unique window into how military experience shapes views on constitutional rights, government accountability, and effective resource allocation during these challenging times.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of
Left Face.
This is the Pikes Peak Regionpodcast for veterans, where we
talk about political issues fromthe local to the national level
.
I am your host.
Dick Wilkinson joined thismorning with my co-host, adam
Gillard.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Good morning Dick.
How are you doing?
Speaker 1 (00:17):
I'm doing well and we are still, unfortunately, in
the era of deportations andpeople disappearing.
And we're going to get rightinto our Kilmar count 57 days
now since Kilmar was taken fromhis family and in the last week
there's really been no progresson the case or much in the story
(00:40):
that I've heard.
He's still there.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
I've actually heard from the spouse that I can't
remember what interviewer whereshe was speaking, but she she's
been receiving like deaththreats and things like that.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
OK, well, she did get exposed because the
administration listed the courtdocuments where they had had a
restraining order, documentswhere they had had a restraining
order, the spouse you know uh,the wife who's?
here.
You know, yeah, yeah, when theywere trying to put evidence out
to say that he's a bad guy, uh,they put out her real address,
because those court documentshad still you know where she
(01:14):
lives now, right, like it's thesame place, even though it was
two years ago.
And so they, they doxed her,right, that's just like is it
intentional or just carelessness?
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Like, I think Self-deport.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Right, right, yeah, hey, he's in El Salvador.
You know.
We got a plane ticket for youanytime you want it.
Well, and you?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
heard he said he's offering them $1,000 now to
self-deport.
Oh really.
Yeah, he's offering people$1,000.
To you know, come, get your$1,000 and a plane ticket dang
yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
It cost you more than a thousand dollars to get here,
even if you walked fromvenezuela you know what I'm
saying you spend a thousanddollars along the way.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
You know what I'm saying like and you're going
back to.
You're still going back to thesame problems and and like, yeah
, you know a lot of those coupsthat happen in the you know
mid-aughts and things like that.
Like that was all like americansponsored cia going on there.
We backed people and destroyedcountries.
Sure.
And now people are coming uphere like just looking for jobs.
(02:09):
They're not even like they'renot trying to like inflict their
culture and heritage oneverybody.
They're just trying to holdonto their culture and heritage
where they are and work shitty,meaningless jobs that nobody
else wants to work and send somemoney back home to their
families to help them out.
Like these are not like therapists and criminals.
These are hardworking people.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
I heard they emptied the jails and sent them all,
told them all to walk north.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Right, they kept going straight to the White
House.
All the criminals are in theWhite House now.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Well, this is unfortunate, but yeah, kilmar is
still gone and we have our owncount and now we have a new
count we've added.
So, as we talked about lastweek Colorado Springs, we had a
law enforcement activity.
That has now clearly come tolight that it was more of an
immigration enforcement thingthan it was a crime enforcement
(03:01):
or like let's clean up the drugs.
It was, let's arrest some folks, right, right.
So what's, uh, what's going onwith that?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yeah, so last number I heard was like 105 or
something.
People were still kind ofunaccounted for and like like
gone missing, yep, because theytook 114.
Uh, some of them have a fewoutstanding warrants.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
So they caught local charges and got put into local
detention Right.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
So there were some of those and then some fallout
where you know the staffsergeant a few days later got
arrested and things like that.
We have heard from the Mexicanconsulate that at least I can't
remember the exact number 40 to50 of the of the detainees were
Mexican citizens, but we stilldon't really know names,
(03:48):
locations where these folks areand again, at the end of the day
, they were just kidnapped bythe government.
Like, if you don't have dueprocess on the other side of the
law, you have tyranny andthat's a kidnapping and people
need to start, like, beinghonest with these conversations
and what is actually going on.
Like this is so disgusting thatwe still have our
(04:10):
representatives silent on thisand there's no list of names.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
That's credible, right as far as who was picked
up.
Even you know, uh, citizens ornot, right, like at some point
the law enforcement people haveto say who they have.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Right, yeah, you know and you and I've reached out to
the senator's office, senatorHickenlooper's office, and they
sent us a resource to pass outto the community.
If you're on my newsletter,which I'll probably try to put
in these notes too to go lookfor your family in ICE detention
, you have to go put in somelike biological factors and
(04:44):
things like that.
But you know, my pushback tothem is always like, why are we
putting more work on the victimsof this?
You know, we're asking thevictims of this who just had,
who just you know lost familymembers because the federal
government came in and seizedthem without you know due
process and all that stuff, andnow we're asking them to put
(05:06):
their names down, theirlocations down, their contact
information into a database sothat they can hopefully find
these folks and not get pickedup themselves, like we're asking
traumatized people to trust thepeople that just traumatize
them.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Yes and and uh, you know, not only it's a a logic uh
loop that you know breaksitself quickly, um, but this,
you know, in general, the peoplewho I think would there's,
there's already been, evenwithout this event, I guess I
should say there's already beenthat healthy distrust of those
types of resources, right, andand sort of an ins insulated
(05:43):
community, anyway, right.
And so, you know, even withoutthis type of event and more of a
present threat, there wasalready a distrust in a lot of
situations there.
So you know that that's justbeen heightened.
Yeah, I could see why, you know, a family member is not really
going to, they're going to tryand find other ways to locate
their person, right, they'regoing to.
You know, talk to whatever,whatever, whatever kind of, I
(06:05):
say, underground network ofcommunication, really, right,
you know, just social, socialnetworking of sorts, to figure
out what's going on.
And, like we, we have anindicator that an airplane may
have transported these folks outof Colorado Springs, right, um,
but who knows?
I mean we, really.
You know there's there was someeyewitness of buses that
transported people to anairplane, but we don't really
know what happened and thetimeline fits.
(06:27):
But the airplane went toOklahoma, maybe, and then what?
Yeah, they're just gone has noreason to believe they're still
in Oklahoma.
That was a week ago that theairplane left here and so far
all the deport, detention stuff.
That's been the game.
They move people three or fourtimes quickly so that nobody can
(06:48):
keep track of them, even peoplethat aren't on this like
mystery list.
We're not just talking aboutthe people from Colorado Springs
, but college students with.
You know, publicized arrestsstill get shuffled around to the
point where people can't trackthem down right and they are on
the national news and theydisappear inside the United
States.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Fort Carson.
There's a soldier out of FortCarson that got sent back to I
can't remember which country,maybe Honduras, but they didn't
take them.
So he came back here.
But along that process hejumped around to like three or
four different States and thenjust kind of got dropped back
here and like just back, yeah,yeah.
So like it's funny how muchthis when people push back on
(07:29):
this administration and on thisstuff like they keep losing, but
when he finds other wannabedictators, like Power man, like
El Salvador there, they'reletting him get away with
anything.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
And you know, he's encouraging him to build more
prisons, because so they'regoing to export this Holocaust
as much as they can Like.
That's all they're doing.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
The Libya thing came back up on the news again this
morning, as we'd mentioned inthe show maybe two episodes ago,
that Donald Trump was talkingabout sending people to Africa
and trying to find places inAfrica to send people, and a
judge who's already beeninvolved in some of the
deportation cases other stuffthat's been going on to El
Salvador, shipments of people.
He said sending people,deporting them to a country that
(08:15):
is not their country of origin,is against his rulings that
he's recently made about whatthe administration is doing.
So he's, like you know,precedent alone.
That's not necessary.
I gave you instructions on howto deport people legally under
my guidance.
Basically and you don'tunderstand you don't have a
(08:36):
plane full of Libyans to send toLibya.
So I call shenanigans right.
And that's what the judge saidwas like why are you trying to
do this?
And here's the real trick Libyadoesn't want to participate in
this.
Donald Trump wants to send amilitary aircraft to Tripoli and
just open the tailgate and letthe people out and fly away.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
But this is the tactics that they've used in the
past.
Look at what they did in Texas,busing immigrants up to New
Yorkork yeah new york ormaryland, chicago in the winter
time yeah, you know with.
They have no clue where they'regoing.
There's, hey, people will takecare of you when?
Speaker 1 (09:11):
yeah, there'll be some people waiting for you
there, yeah yeah, they're likethey're just expanding.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
They're like I said they're exporting yeah that's
true, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yeah, uh, governor greg abbott just probably, you
know know, set that blueprint.
He's like watch, this is howyou do it.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah right, I don't care if they're not from New
York, we're sending them to NewYork and you know, we just heard
the clip of Trump saying hewasn't sure if he had to follow
the Constitution because he hasall these great lawyers.
Yeah, how are these people onthe bar still?
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Like how does he still have people?
giving him these types of adviceand still be on any bar.
Well, you know, let's look atGiuliani.
He's not an advisor to Trumpreally anymore, right, he's not
in the orbit anymore, but helost his bar association with
any state that he was capable ofpracticing law and he lost all
that right.
So we got to remember andGiuliani is actually the perfect
example Went from respectedperson that, would you know,
(10:14):
someone would hire to representthem in court or that would want
his advice, right, and then themore he got worked on, if you
will, by Donald Trump.
That's when you saw the shiftover to more the you know,
sinister cryptkeeper type oflike we're going to.
We're going to get them all.
You know, more the sinistercryptkeeper type of like we're
going to get them all.
And the difference there isDonald Trump is the factor that
I think makes that happen.
And you can't be Donald Trump'semployee for more than a few
(10:35):
weeks if you tell him what hecan't do.
And so he says I have a lot ofsmart lawyers.
What he really means is I havea lot of lawyers who have been
groomed and trained to figureout how I can do whatever I want
.
That's their job, not to tellme what the law is right now,
but to tell me how I can getaround the precedent.
Right yeah, how can I sidestepthis precedent?
(10:57):
What conspiracy theory stringfrom 1790 can we go look up and
say, aha right, congress saidone time you know that the ships
can all go up river.
You know, and that means I candeport people.
Blah, blah, blah you know, andit's like what?
Like he's got lawyers that aredoing that right now.
They're reading law books from1800, trying to decide which one
(11:20):
he can use right, and probablynot even that many people.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
They probably are all using AI and just saying hey,
hey, it's generating.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
you know court cases for them.
You know, yeah, ferguson versusyou know Mississippi.
And you look it up and it'slike that's not real Right.
Have you ever?
Speaker 2 (11:37):
had chat GPT.
Be like disappointed in you.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Like no, I don't use it.
Oh, I love you Cause.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
I wanted a plan for like plant and stuff, and like I
was like, well, what if Iwanted to do something else?
It's like hey, if you want todo something else, do something
else.
But here's the science behindit Do it this way, yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
You said you wanted to grow healthy plants.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
I definitely felt the score.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah, gpt real fast, right, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
He'd teach it how to talk to him, and so that's
really.
You know, we're talking aboutlosing your bar, so it doesn't
matter, right, and that's thething you get inside of his
orbit, and it's like I'll justpay for you to do whatever,
whether you have law you knowwhether you have good standing
or not.
You know you'll be my cronyright, and we've seen people
(12:23):
that are.
That's exactly what happened.
Michael Cohen right, like thatwas his thing Again.
He at some point in time had areal law practice and then
turned into just a joke of aperson like doing stuff for
Donald Trump right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
and how long do you sell your soul like that?
He sold his house for DonaldTrump, right?
Speaker 1 (12:37):
He had to get a house on a HELOC to pay off Donald
the Stormy Daniels money right,he sold his house to do that man
, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
And then to just uh, yeah, be caught up in all that,
and go to jail and, like you,discredit yourself by being a
shady person for so long.
So now, when he's like no, Iget it, I was shady, but he's
way worse.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah, oh no, yeah, who cares?
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:59):
exactly, yeah, yeah, that uh, immediate discredit.
You know himself.
Yeah, it just kind offrustrates me that he's not
taken more seriously when hesaid some things.
But so you know, when we talkabout, you know, these lawyers
that are not qualified, we stillhave our representative here.
He goes to a weekly meetinglike Great Men or something like
(13:21):
that, where they go and talkabout themselves and how great
they are.
And he talked about law andorder pretty early on in his
speech last week.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
And I think it's pretty disgusting that we've had
a law and order show for like20 years on NBC.
People should know law andorder.
Yeah, like it's a disgustingthat you know we've had a Law
Order show for like 20 years onNBC.
Like people should know law andorder.
Yeah, like it's a two-stepprocess.
Yeah, the people who arrest andthen the people who prosecute
yeah, so for them to sit thereand still it's in the title of
the show, right?
Yeah, like plenty of case lawthey can study.
(13:51):
Yeah, you know, just sit thereand still parrot misinformation
like they're executing law andorder.
You're not.
Once you get rid of that FifthAmendment that says that all
persons are afforded theserights Justice Scalia has said
that, yeah, once you get rid ofthat, that's tyranny, sure, and
if we're living under tyranny?
Speaker 1 (14:12):
You can have laws but not order right, or you can
have order but not laws.
One or the other right, likethe person in charge, is going
to decide which one are we goingto have right.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
So we still have people parroting this?
Just blatant misinformationthat we had people disappear.
They're gone.
We don't know where they are.
We don't know their chargesother than that original
Suspected Suspected.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Of being illegally in the country, right?
Nope, still no proof of thatright Exactly.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
And so, like I said, there's 40 to 50 of them were
probably Mexican citizens, yeah,but that still leaves 60-ish or
so that could be US citizens,sure, and still wrapped up in
all this Sure.
And you know not to just thatcould be US citizens, sure, and
still wrapped up in all thisSure, and not to just care about
the US citizens.
I think all those Mexicancitizens that are sitting in
(15:05):
detention right now don'tdeserve that either.
They should have been giventheir due process Right, so we
need to fight for them too.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
But if you're a MAGA Republican, how can you be okay
with US citizens being wrappedup?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
in these sweeps and just gone.
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
I have some answers for that, but I don't want to
speak too ill of these people,but I have some answers for that
.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
That's what's frustrating me a lot is that
it's coming down to like theirintentions are clear, yeah, like
the pain and the misery is atthe point, like they're not here
to it's a form of very grossdeterrence in their mind.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Right Of like abuse the population.
And then you know we continueto drive down the interest of
coming to the country.
Right, even for people who wantto do it legally, that you know
and want to come and contributeat a at a higher level, would
reconsider it and say I'm notsafe there.
Right Like it doesn't matter ifyou want to come here and be,
(16:14):
you know, a banker, you know, orbe a insurance salesman or even
a medical professional.
You could get six months downthe road and just like you start
to look around and go.
They're busting us up and we'redisappearing.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Right Like I don't feel safe right, and that's
exactly why I think we reallyneed to change the conversation
from like asking people to likehave empathy.
Like these people have empathy,they can easily put themselves
in these people's shoes and likeunderstand what they're going
through.
Yeah, they're choosing themisery and the pain and the
suffering.
Show compassion.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
The humanity?
Yeah, you dehumanize, right.
There's an aspect ofdehumanizing Right.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
And if we want to call ourselves a Christian
nation act with compassion, yeah, you.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
And if we want to call ourselves a Christian
nation, act with compassion,yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
can't dehumanize Christians, can't dehumanize
period, right, like that's, youknow so you know, stop with, you
know, pretending that theempathy is going to matter.
Yeah, like we've talked about,empathy is they don't care.
Yeah, we need to get back totalking to them.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Be pointed.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
And with like you need to show compassion, like we
get it, like it may be toughfor you too, but it's tough for
them.
We're all in this like showcompassion, yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Man, I don't know, it's sort of a.
You know I can hear theargument.
We'll be compassionate whenthey stop, you know, flooding
our borders, when they stopinvading us.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
As Jesus commanded us , right yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
We'll do our part when they do their part right I
hear a lot of jesus was thecarpenter.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
He like building walls, yeah right he built the
wall around jerusalem out ofwood, right yeah ridiculous that
we have people that are are notum living the values that they
like are projecting on to thiscommunity that's, you know, yeah
, and know I'm assuming thegreat men thing that you're
(18:00):
talking about.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I haven't attended it , but I assume that it is
affiliated with some Christianorganization.
So, yeah, that would be.
That would be really.
I would be uncomfortable inthat space if they were
basically, you know, promoting amessage like let's dehumanize
all these people that we'rearresting, because that'll keep
our kids safe.
What are we teaching our kidsby?
Speaker 2 (18:22):
that, but this is a space that they don't get any
kind of pushback.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Correct.
Well, it's the clapping spot.
I've decided now that's mypolitical term for the clapping
spot.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Yeah, when you're feeling a little low, just go to
the clapping spot, go down tothe clapping spot.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Every politician needs a couple of them, right?
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
So he hits us every Sunday and he's got a rapt
audience.
They love hearing it, oh sure,and they think that they're
accomplishing things.
It's like I don't know if Isaid it last week, but it's just
really a facade of safety andsecurity for, you know, those
folks north of Platt here herein Colorado Springs that north
side, that you knowpredominantly white side of the
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town, sure, and there's stillstuff going on there.
You know there's still like aTesla bomb came out of, you know
, colorado Springs that drove tothe Trump Tower.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
That was on the north side of town, yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
So, like their fears of this community down here are
self-driven, like they'recreating a problem and solving
it out of the air.
Yeah, and then solving it andthinking that they did.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Well, that's the donald trump method right, break
it as hard as you want, andthen you know, once you fix it a
little bit, you're like checkit out, I fixed it, yeah, so
yeah, yeah, but even in thiscommunity there was never really
a problem with illegalimmigration or just like.
Some rampant cesspool of crimebecause of or taking a lot of
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our resources and things likethat Sure.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
There was never that problem yeah.
It's pretty spread out evenly.
They're all kind of messed up.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Yeah, sure, sure.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
So it's evenly spread .
That's how it works.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Fair.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
But yeah.
So that safety net that theyhave or that they feel now,
because 100 people that weremissing from their jobs the next
day are gone now.
Yeah, it's just ridiculous thatcommunity is being forced into
compliance right now.
They're being told to shut up,sit down.
If you do get a job, be happythat I'm giving you $7 an hour.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Yeah, that's true.
Be happy I didn't call theimmigration guys, right yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
There's more fear, there's more intimidation.
I hope they leave man, notbecause I want them to go, but
because, just for their safety,the lack of response from our
community and our electedleaders like they are not safe
here, wow, like it's disgusting.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Well, like you said, this is not a sanctuary city
right.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
That's what the mayor wants everybody to know right,
because, like people ask forhelp from the church.
Yeah yeah, the goal of thechurch is to help the people,
the poor folks, and like theywould show up and ask for help
and we're like hey, hey, hey,what are you doing?
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, there's a bridge up inDenver with your name on it,
right yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
So so we, you know we have all these issues and
obviously we don't get, you know, represented real well, you
know, here at the federal level.
So you know, me and somefriends went down to Jeff
Crank's office.
Somebody got a call back so shewas allowed to bring like seven
other folks, so we had eight ofus around the table and we
(21:23):
didn't get to talk to Crankbecause he doesn't do that stuff
.
But our goal here was to get tohim, like have a conversation.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Have a message with his administration.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
And more sort of build a relationship with them.
Yeah, like you know, we can goin there and we can bitch and
moan and cry Like you getnothing done, like you might
feel a little bit better.
And then there was definitelysome of that yesterday we
definitely took some steps.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Okay, all right, yeah , and I won't say that I had,
I'll just let our listeners knowwhy didn't Dick go?
I had work to do and I had adoctor's appointment.
But then there was some littlething in the back of my brain
that was like I know that there,that this is a veterans folks,
they're going to be professional, they understand kind of the
gravitas of where they're at.
But if passions get inflamed orif someone says some offhanded,
(22:09):
you know, crazy Republican typesideways comment, right that it
could get kind of goofy inthere, you know that's.
I was like I don't know if Iwant to be around when that
happens, you know yeah, uh.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
So it was funny because in our kind of um
introductions with them, uh, oneof the vets was like don't
treat me like I'm stupid.
Yeah, like he kind of laid thatground just got straight up
with it, yeah yeah, like, like,don't talk around stuff, don't.
Don't like we're educated people, yeah, we know what's going on,
yeah, um.
So yeah, like, it is alwaysnice being in a conversation
(22:43):
with vets because it's a littlemore straightened to the point,
you know, cut through some ofthe fat, um.
But so, yeah, we went there and, uh, a funny story was, you
know, we kind of pre-gamed thenight before just to kind of
make sure that we stayed ontopic and we made Hit some goals
Right and had an agenda yeah.
And have questions anddeliverables and requests from
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them.
Yeah, to keep the conversationgoing.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Yeah, and we do have a follow-up meeting in two weeks
too.
Okay, so our initial goal of wewant a relationship where we
keep going, keep doing it, so wedo got that.
But we rallied up the daybefore and talked about it and
one of the folks that was goingwith me she had gone there the
day before and so she wastalking with they, were going
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through their spiel with therepresentative that was meeting
with us, with the representativethat was meeting with us, yeah,
and somebody came into the roomthat they were sitting in to
pick up some artwork and theygot sidetracked onto like a
20-minute conversation of theartwork and stuff like that
Beautiful artwork.
It was local and she told usabout that and we were all kind
(23:53):
of like, well, let's watch outfor that.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
And so the next day, yeah, they tried it again.
She came in and tried to startmoving artwork and he tried to
have some conversations and wewere like, no, we're good on the
art.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
These are the things that we want to talk about, and
we shut them down and we stayedon topic.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Yeah, but going into these things with a level mind
and a plan, it helps you be ableto stay focused and, like,
hopefully, get some resultsRight.
One of the biggest things thatwe're going to work for now, or
work towards, is that they don'thave any veterans in their
office.
Oh, okay, so he says likethey've had some like cycle
through and he has like aveteran representative.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Yeah, you know, focus point yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Liaison and he's like you know that person's real
good with social work, blah,blah, blah.
And he's like you know thatperson's real good with social
work, blah, blah, blah.
And he's like well, you know,do you want a tank driver or do
you want somebody who's good atthe work?
And like.
I didn't have a response at thetime, Okay, but it pissed me
off.
Yeah, Because that tank driverhas like four soldiers
underneath them.
Yeah, Each one has like theirown, like opposite ends of the
spectrum, crazy shit going on intheir lives, you know, from
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being suicidal to having births,to losing people.
If there's anybody qualified todo any kind of constituency
work and social work, it's thattank driver.
Sure, you know he knows people.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
I wouldn't downgrade, I mean being a veteran.
It doesn't matter what you didright, it's the service, it's
the mentality, it's the training, it's the leadership.
Those are the service.
It's the mentality, it's thetraining, it's the leadership,
those are the values.
It doesn't matter if you were acook or an intelligence officer
or a plane pilot like that shitdoesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Yeah, yeah.
So like that alone was kind ofinsulting.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
That's why they don't have a veteran in their office,
right like you know that.
You know he's that dude's likethey're all the same or they're
not.
You know like whatever, not.
You know he didn't get it.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
That's just a tank driver to him.
It's nothing more than somebodythat can go catch a bullet when
he needs him to go catch abullet.
Yeah, yeah, but we narrow viewof what the military is or what
a veteran is Right, yeah, so soyou know, we didn't really hit
that, but we hot washedafterwards and we were talking
there's actually programs outthere that do fellowships to get
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veterans into politics andstuff like that, and so we could
get a veteran into their officewithout them having to pay
anything Sure, anything Sure.
And you know, what I'm going topropose to him next time we
talk to him is that you know, wevet folks, you know three or
four.
Obviously we're going to pick aRepublican, or maybe a, or a
libertarian, or a libertarian.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
I'm hearing something .
I'm really getting reallyinterested in doing something
here.
So yeah, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
And we could get somebody that kind of aligns
with.
You know some of theRepublicans, but we'll still be
open to communicating with usand come to our events and come
to do things with vets as awhole and not as a Republican or
a Democrat.
Sure, you know somebody thatactually represents our
community of.
You know 15% vets here, yeah,and it wouldn't cost anything to
the office.
So we're going to look intothat and we're going to present
that and that's the part thatshould be a hook right Is this
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person will volunteer.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
But, man, I've been in situations like that where
I've personally volunteered todo pretty significant duties for
free or had helped other peopletry to do that, and the
organization, the, the freeness,still didn't matter because of
some other unspoken thing aboutwhat their agenda was or what
was good.
You know, there was a somebackground thing where they were
like they'd kind of, you know,just just uh, smoke, smoking
(27:21):
mirrors you out of theconversation.
So the fellowships.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
I think they're paid okay, so so we can actually get
somebody paid in there to dothis, so they actually have
accountability.
Yeah, the committee that we'retalking about trying to find
somebody that would get throughtheir wickets, that would be
volunteers.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Gotcha, but yeah, I think that's a workable solution
, sure, and I think it'ssomething that if we present it
and they say no, why Tell me whyyou don't want help.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
What do you not want from us?
What is bad about this plan?
But like tell me.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Because I was on one of my tirades and I was like,
hey, if you want the monarchy,just let me know and we'll
change the conversation.
But you know we're here to talkabout, like, your oath to the
Constitution.
But we're here to talk aboutyour oath to the Constitution,
the way that you are reading therule of law and not executing
the due process.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
I was just on one of my tirades.
I want to get in my littlemagic ball time machine here.
If there was a monarchy, whatwould the Congress become?
Would they be lords?
The House of Lords?
Speaker 2 (28:26):
They'd be the House of Lords.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
House of Lords and House of Commons like parliament
.
Type set up, yeah, their littleland, yeah yeah, governors
become um, whatever, uh, likedukes, right instead of you know
you could give the governorslike a duke ship well, they feel
like governors, like didn'tthey have?
governors.
Well, I mean it would be.
You know you had counts anddukes, and that's what a
governor was right.
They had counties.
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That's why you were a count,because you were in charge of a
county right and that you wereliterally the monarchical head
of that region, and that's whatthat meant.
And then a duke was likesomeone who had more than a
couple counties as their estate.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
And then it all falls under bloodlines too.
Yes right, you got to hope thatyour congressman didn't raise
some jackasses.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Well, yeah that's true, yeah, yeah.
What if the governors all getthe right to like they can
decide, if their senators orcongresspeople get a status, you
know, like a lordship, you know, but the governors get the
preemptive choice.
You know I'm like, hey, thismonarchy time sounds like fun
man.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
I want to get some land and you know, a crest.
It's crazy that we're havingthe conversation Like it would
just be so much easier to fightfor our Constitution.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Well, yeah, you know what I heard there?
I heard this is the way we'vealways done it.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
And I don't like that , you know.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Don't we fight on that in the military right Like
this is the way we've alwaysdone it.
Don't say that We've got toinnovate, we've got to come up
with better ways to do things.
It's bad unit culture ifsomeone says, well, this is just
the way we've always done it.
That should be the NCO'sefficient work, that kind of
stuff, right?
Speaker 2 (30:08):
So this whole democracy thing, man this is the
way we've always done it youknow 200 years.
You know I was also giving hima lot of grief over the budget
and like the cuts to the socialsecurity safety networks and the
raise in like the militaryindustrial complex money.
And it's not so much that youknow we're funding the military
(30:28):
that pisses me off, it's thefact that we're not funding the
people we're funding, which wetalked about a week or two ago.
Yeah, and like I mean the F 35program.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
What a like absolute like doge it garbage fire.
Yeah, yeah, cause that thing,everything broke.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
So you, it was so you know.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
The prime contractor had everything subbed out and
nothing really talked and likethere's just so many problems.
It was a technical nightmare,yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Yeah, and so we're going to keep funding programs
like that, new programs likethat.
We got the new.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
F-49.
After Donald Trump, we'renaming it Trump.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Yeah, yeah, trump fighter, yeah, so you know,
we're going to put all thesethings in.
And to your point a second ago,equipment isn't innovative.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Right.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Like you give me an iPhone I can send, I can call, I
can text, but you give it tolike a qualified person and they
can do some amazing things withthis.
Sure, you know it's the peoplethat are innovative, not the
equipment.
Yeah Right, correct.
So when we continue to fundequipment that's not engineered
properly is engineered toofastly or quickly, I guess?
yeah, proper word or bigly butbut it's not going through the
(31:34):
proper steps.
There's not enoughcommunication internally, blah,
blah, blah.
Fund the people that couldsolve those problems to make
your processes better, so thatwhen you want to fund or build
something new it's not acomplete garbage fire every time
, every time, like the PentagonWars.
That movie about the Bradleyfighting machine it's funny.
(31:56):
It's Kelsey Grammer's?
Yeah, it's funny, but it is sodamn realistic and it's like
based on a true story.
Yeah, but it is so realisticwhere we don't define
requirements.
We don't do this.
Like every step of projectmanagement is just by the seat
of their pants and chaos frombeginning to end.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Yeah, and the?
You know, there's this ideathat the government has been on
and we're going to get super inthe worm.
You know dirt on this one,contracts versus variable price
contracting, and the big primeshave had this blank check
mentality for the last 20 plusyears 30 years probably that
(32:33):
like, hey, we can build you thatfighter, it'll cut, it'll take,
you know, a hundred milliondollars and three years.
And what that really means isin the next three years we'll do
a hundred million dollars worthof work and then we'll all just
regroup and decide how farwe've come.
Not, we'll have an airplane inthree years.
And they knew that.
And they said, well, well then,let's tack on three more and
(32:53):
maybe by year 10, we'll have anairplane.
And you're like what?
But you're already three yearsdeep, you're already a hundred
million dollars deep.
And so that has been the gamefor big contracting in the
government and now it's shiftingto more of the hey.
If you can deliver on time andon price, or we're going to buy
it somewhere else, right, thatneeds to happen right, well, and
(33:18):
a lot of the push or thesliding of timelines comes
because we don't define thatrequirement up front.
We say we want a fighter.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
So they start building a fighter.
Oh wait, we want missiles onthat.
Yeah, okay, so we'll buildmissiles now, yeah, and then.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
So they keep, and then they say, hey, there's
going to be this new navigationnetwork, like 10 years from now.
How's it be capable of talkingto that?
Well, it doesn't even exist yet.
Right, build the equipment.
It's like what?
So, yes, that's true, and youknow that couples back to the.
(33:52):
They ask for a certain set ofrequirements and then, by the
time that three years is up, youknow it's grown legs, just like
in the Pentagon Wars thing.
Right.
And then, even if that doesn'thappen, just the.
The other benefit from apolitical perspective is if the
big primes came to you and andtold you the truth it's going to
cost $40 billion to make thatthing.
Instead of saying, oh, $5billion, $5 billion means we can
(34:14):
get you some blueprints, right.
And instead of being honest,because no politician wants to
sign up for a program, that'sthe most expensive thing ever in
history, right.
If someone gave them the realbid and said it's $40, no one
could justify paying for that.
But they can justify bits andpieces and then, like you say,
the sunk cost piece of like well, we didn't want to throw 20
(34:36):
billion in the trash.
We're going to put 20 morebillion on top.
But if someone said 40 billionon day one, it would never get
made right, and so there's acatch-22 there that politicians
can't bite off on the truth, sothe prime contractors can't give
them the truth Right, but stillneed a new aircraft.
That didn't stop.
The need for a new jet Didn'tstop happening.
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Right, you know so yeah, man, Ihate that and you know I don't
want to toot my own horn, but Ilive in the small business space
and I live in the you knowsmall contractor space and you
know you give us a group likemine and I'm not the only one,
but small companies like us yougive us a million dollars.
Dude, we're out here likebreaking the laws of physics
with a million dollars.
You know what I'm saying.
(35:19):
And you give a prime a milliondollars.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
They can't even stock the toilet paper.
You're the person that we'retalking about controlling space,
and time.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Yeah, for a million dollars.
Right, but, like Raytheon,spends a million dollars on
toilet paper at the headquartersevery year.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
There's no innovation bought for a million dollars.
With a prime, you don't evenget the whole team to show up on
time for a million dollars,right.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
So I was going to wrap it up with that.
That's.
Another good point that I'vebeen hearing lately, too is that
I think we really need todelineate the difference between
small business and big business, Like so much of the time, like
when people start talking aboutyou know increasing taxes on
businesses small business islike whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,
whoa.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
No, I'm not talking about you man, you guys are cool
.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Like, if you're making millions of dollars a
year, though we're going to kickit back a little bit here.
Sure, you know what I mean, andI think we really need to do a
better job of being veryspecific when we say Raytheon
doesn't need this money.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
but Proof Labs does yeah sure.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Make sure that we're talking about those small
businesses here locally,especially with Spaceman leaving
and things like that.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Yeah, the innovation bang for the buck out of the
small business community is justexponentially higher than the
innovation bang for the buck outof the big prime community.
And I'm not hating on the bigprimes because they can deliver
certain levels of manufacturingand consistency that no small
company could ever do, right.
So there's a need for that,right.
But if you want that same kindof cog maker to really do
(36:48):
cutting edge work, that's notwhat they're built and designed
to do, right, and but the trustis there, uh, but you know, they
also know how to spend a lot ofmoney, right, so it's a chicken
and egg situation for sure.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Yeah, yeah, all right .
Well, hey, thanks for joiningus this week.
Uh, covered a lot of stuff here.
Didn't even get into half ofthe list, so I guess we'll have
another episode next week.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Yep, well, thanks Adam.
Thanks everybody for listening.
We'll catch you next time.
Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of
Left Face.
This is the Pikes Peak Regionpodcast for veterans, where we
talk about political issues fromthe local to the national level
.
I am your host.
Dick Wilkinson joined thismorning with my co-host, adam
Gillard.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Good morning Dick.
How are you doing?
Speaker 1 (00:17):
I'm doing well and we are still, unfortunately, in
the era of deportations andpeople disappearing.
And we're going to get rightinto our Kilmar count 57 days
now since Kilmar was taken fromhis family and in the last week
there's really been no progresson the case or much in the story
(00:40):
that I've heard.
He's still there.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
I've actually heard from the spouse that I can't
remember what interviewer whereshe was speaking, but she she's
been receiving like deaththreats and things like that.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
OK, well, she did get exposed because the
administration listed the courtdocuments where they had had a
restraining order, documentswhere they had had a restraining
order, the spouse you know uh,the wife who's?
here.
You know, yeah, yeah, when theywere trying to put evidence out
to say that he's a bad guy, uh,they put out her real address,
because those court documentshad still you know where she
(01:14):
lives now, right, like it's thesame place, even though it was
two years ago.
And so they, they doxed her,right, that's just like is it
intentional or just carelessness?
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Like, I think Self-deport.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Right, right, yeah, hey, he's in El Salvador.
You know.
We got a plane ticket for youanytime you want it.
Well, and you?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
heard he said he's offering them $1,000 now to
self-deport.
Oh really.
Yeah, he's offering people$1,000.
To you know, come, get your$1,000 and a plane ticket dang
yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
It cost you more than a thousand dollars to get here,
even if you walked fromvenezuela you know what I'm
saying you spend a thousanddollars along the way.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
You know what I'm saying like and you're going
back to.
You're still going back to thesame problems and and like, yeah
, you know a lot of those coupsthat happen in the you know
mid-aughts and things like that.
Like that was all like americansponsored cia going on there.
We backed people and destroyedcountries.
Sure.
And now people are coming uphere like just looking for jobs.
(02:09):
They're not even like they'renot trying to like inflict their
culture and heritage oneverybody.
They're just trying to holdonto their culture and heritage
where they are and work shitty,meaningless jobs that nobody
else wants to work and send somemoney back home to their
families to help them out.
Like these are not like therapists and criminals.
These are hardworking people.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
I heard they emptied the jails and sent them all,
told them all to walk north.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Right, they kept going straight to the White
House.
All the criminals are in theWhite House now.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Well, this is unfortunate, but yeah, kilmar is
still gone and we have our owncount and now we have a new
count we've added.
So, as we talked about lastweek Colorado Springs, we had a
law enforcement activity.
That has now clearly come tolight that it was more of an
immigration enforcement thingthan it was a crime enforcement
(03:01):
or like let's clean up the drugs.
It was, let's arrest some folks, right, right.
So what's, uh, what's going onwith that?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yeah, so last number I heard was like 105 or
something.
People were still kind ofunaccounted for and like like
gone missing, yep, because theytook 114.
Uh, some of them have a fewoutstanding warrants.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
So they caught local charges and got put into local
detention Right.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
So there were some of those and then some fallout
where you know the staffsergeant a few days later got
arrested and things like that.
We have heard from the Mexicanconsulate that at least I can't
remember the exact number 40 to50 of the of the detainees were
Mexican citizens, but we stilldon't really know names,
(03:48):
locations where these folks areand again, at the end of the day
, they were just kidnapped bythe government.
Like, if you don't have dueprocess on the other side of the
law, you have tyranny andthat's a kidnapping and people
need to start, like, beinghonest with these conversations
and what is actually going on.
Like this is so disgusting thatwe still have our
(04:10):
representatives silent on thisand there's no list of names.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
That's credible, right as far as who was picked
up.
Even you know, uh, citizens ornot, right, like at some point
the law enforcement people haveto say who they have.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Right, yeah, you know and you and I've reached out to
the senator's office, senatorHickenlooper's office, and they
sent us a resource to pass outto the community.
If you're on my newsletter,which I'll probably try to put
in these notes too to go lookfor your family in ICE detention
, you have to go put in somelike biological factors and
(04:44):
things like that.
But you know, my pushback tothem is always like, why are we
putting more work on the victimsof this?
You know, we're asking thevictims of this who just had,
who just you know lost familymembers because the federal
government came in and seizedthem without you know due
process and all that stuff, andnow we're asking them to put
(05:06):
their names down, theirlocations down, their contact
information into a database sothat they can hopefully find
these folks and not get pickedup themselves, like we're asking
traumatized people to trust thepeople that just traumatize
them.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Yes and and uh, you know, not only it's a a logic uh
loop that you know breaksitself quickly, um, but this,
you know, in general, the peoplewho I think would there's,
there's already been, evenwithout this event, I guess I
should say there's already beenthat healthy distrust of those
types of resources, right, andand sort of an ins insulated
(05:43):
community, anyway, right.
And so, you know, even withoutthis type of event and more of a
present threat, there wasalready a distrust in a lot of
situations there.
So you know that that's justbeen heightened.
Yeah, I could see why, you know, a family member is not really
going to, they're going to tryand find other ways to locate
their person, right, they'regoing to.
You know, talk to whatever,whatever, whatever kind of, I
(06:05):
say, underground network ofcommunication, really, right,
you know, just social, socialnetworking of sorts, to figure
out what's going on.
And, like we, we have anindicator that an airplane may
have transported these folks outof Colorado Springs, right, um,
but who knows?
I mean we, really.
You know there's there was someeyewitness of buses that
transported people to anairplane, but we don't really
know what happened and thetimeline fits.
(06:27):
But the airplane went toOklahoma, maybe, and then what?
Yeah, they're just gone has noreason to believe they're still
in Oklahoma.
That was a week ago that theairplane left here and so far
all the deport, detention stuff.
That's been the game.
They move people three or fourtimes quickly so that nobody can
(06:48):
keep track of them, even peoplethat aren't on this like
mystery list.
We're not just talking aboutthe people from Colorado Springs
, but college students with.
You know, publicized arrestsstill get shuffled around to the
point where people can't trackthem down right and they are on
the national news and theydisappear inside the United
States.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Fort Carson.
There's a soldier out of FortCarson that got sent back to I
can't remember which country,maybe Honduras, but they didn't
take them.
So he came back here.
But along that process hejumped around to like three or
four different States and thenjust kind of got dropped back
here and like just back, yeah,yeah.
So like it's funny how muchthis when people push back on
(07:29):
this administration and on thisstuff like they keep losing, but
when he finds other wannabedictators, like Power man, like
El Salvador there, they'reletting him get away with
anything.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
And you know, he's encouraging him to build more
prisons, because so they'regoing to export this Holocaust
as much as they can Like.
That's all they're doing.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
The Libya thing came back up on the news again this
morning, as we'd mentioned inthe show maybe two episodes ago,
that Donald Trump was talkingabout sending people to Africa
and trying to find places inAfrica to send people, and a
judge who's already beeninvolved in some of the
deportation cases other stuffthat's been going on to El
Salvador, shipments of people.
He said sending people,deporting them to a country that
(08:15):
is not their country of origin,is against his rulings that
he's recently made about whatthe administration is doing.
So he's, like you know,precedent alone.
That's not necessary.
I gave you instructions on howto deport people legally under
my guidance.
Basically and you don'tunderstand you don't have a
(08:36):
plane full of Libyans to send toLibya.
So I call shenanigans right.
And that's what the judge saidwas like why are you trying to
do this?
And here's the real trick Libyadoesn't want to participate in
this.
Donald Trump wants to send amilitary aircraft to Tripoli and
just open the tailgate and letthe people out and fly away.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
But this is the tactics that they've used in the
past.
Look at what they did in Texas,busing immigrants up to New
Yorkork yeah new york ormaryland, chicago in the winter
time yeah, you know with.
They have no clue where they'regoing.
There's, hey, people will takecare of you when?
Speaker 1 (09:11):
yeah, there'll be some people waiting for you
there, yeah yeah, they're likethey're just expanding.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
They're like I said they're exporting yeah that's
true, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yeah, uh, governor greg abbott just probably, you
know know, set that blueprint.
He's like watch, this is howyou do it.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah right, I don't care if they're not from New
York, we're sending them to NewYork and you know, we just heard
the clip of Trump saying hewasn't sure if he had to follow
the Constitution because he hasall these great lawyers.
Yeah, how are these people onthe bar still?
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Like how does he still have people?
giving him these types of adviceand still be on any bar.
Well, you know, let's look atGiuliani.
He's not an advisor to Trumpreally anymore, right, he's not
in the orbit anymore, but helost his bar association with
any state that he was capable ofpracticing law and he lost all
that right.
So we got to remember andGiuliani is actually the perfect
example Went from respectedperson that, would you know,
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someone would hire to representthem in court or that would want
his advice, right, and then themore he got worked on, if you
will, by Donald Trump.
That's when you saw the shiftover to more the you know,
sinister cryptkeeper type oflike we're going to.
We're going to get them all.
You know, more the sinistercryptkeeper type of like we're
going to get them all.
And the difference there isDonald Trump is the factor that
I think makes that happen.
And you can't be Donald Trump'semployee for more than a few
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weeks if you tell him what hecan't do.
And so he says I have a lot ofsmart lawyers.
What he really means is I havea lot of lawyers who have been
groomed and trained to figureout how I can do whatever I want
.
That's their job, not to tellme what the law is right now,
but to tell me how I can getaround the precedent.
Right yeah, how can I sidestepthis precedent?
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What conspiracy theory stringfrom 1790 can we go look up and
say, aha right, congress saidone time you know that the ships
can all go up river.
You know, and that means I candeport people.
Blah, blah, blah you know, andit's like what?
Like he's got lawyers that aredoing that right now.
They're reading law books from1800, trying to decide which one
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he can use right, and probablynot even that many people.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
They probably are all using AI and just saying hey,
hey, it's generating.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
you know court cases for them.
You know, yeah, ferguson versusyou know Mississippi.
And you look it up and it'slike that's not real Right.
Have you ever?
Speaker 2 (11:37):
had chat GPT.
Be like disappointed in you.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Like no, I don't use it.
Oh, I love you Cause.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
I wanted a plan for like plant and stuff, and like I
was like, well, what if Iwanted to do something else?
It's like hey, if you want todo something else, do something
else.
But here's the science behindit Do it this way, yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
You said you wanted to grow healthy plants.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
I definitely felt the score.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah, gpt real fast, right, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
He'd teach it how to talk to him, and so that's
really.
You know, we're talking aboutlosing your bar, so it doesn't
matter, right, and that's thething you get inside of his
orbit, and it's like I'll justpay for you to do whatever,
whether you have law you knowwhether you have good standing
or not.
You know you'll be my cronyright, and we've seen people
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that are.
That's exactly what happened.
Michael Cohen right, like thatwas his thing Again.
He at some point in time had areal law practice and then
turned into just a joke of aperson like doing stuff for
Donald Trump right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
and how long do you sell your soul like that?
He sold his house for DonaldTrump, right?
Speaker 1 (12:37):
He had to get a house on a HELOC to pay off Donald
the Stormy Daniels money right,he sold his house to do that man
, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
And then to just uh, yeah, be caught up in all that,
and go to jail and, like you,discredit yourself by being a
shady person for so long.
So now, when he's like no, Iget it, I was shady, but he's
way worse.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah, oh no, yeah, who cares?
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:59):
exactly, yeah, yeah, that uh, immediate discredit.
You know himself.
Yeah, it just kind offrustrates me that he's not
taken more seriously when hesaid some things.
But so you know, when we talkabout, you know, these lawyers
that are not qualified, we stillhave our representative here.
He goes to a weekly meetinglike Great Men or something like
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that, where they go and talkabout themselves and how great
they are.
And he talked about law andorder pretty early on in his
speech last week.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
And I think it's pretty disgusting that we've had
a law and order show for like20 years on NBC.
People should know law andorder.
Yeah, like it's a disgustingthat you know we've had a Law
Order show for like 20 years onNBC.
Like people should know law andorder.
Yeah, like it's a two-stepprocess.
Yeah, the people who arrest andthen the people who prosecute
yeah, so for them to sit thereand still it's in the title of
the show, right?
Yeah, like plenty of case lawthey can study.
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Yeah, you know, just sit thereand still parrot misinformation
like they're executing law andorder.
You're not.
Once you get rid of that FifthAmendment that says that all
persons are afforded theserights Justice Scalia has said
that, yeah, once you get rid ofthat, that's tyranny, sure, and
if we're living under tyranny?
Speaker 1 (14:12):
You can have laws but not order right, or you can
have order but not laws.
One or the other right, likethe person in charge, is going
to decide which one are we goingto have right.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
So we still have people parroting this?
Just blatant misinformationthat we had people disappear.
They're gone.
We don't know where they are.
We don't know their chargesother than that original
Suspected Suspected.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Of being illegally in the country, right?
Nope, still no proof of thatright Exactly.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
And so, like I said, there's 40 to 50 of them were
probably Mexican citizens, yeah,but that still leaves 60-ish or
so that could be US citizens,sure, and still wrapped up in
all this Sure.
And you know not to just thatcould be US citizens, sure, and
still wrapped up in all thisSure, and not to just care about
the US citizens.
I think all those Mexicancitizens that are sitting in
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detention right now don'tdeserve that either.
They should have been giventheir due process Right, so we
need to fight for them too.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
But if you're a MAGA Republican, how can you be okay
with US citizens being wrappedup?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
in these sweeps and just gone.
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
I have some answers for that, but I don't want to
speak too ill of these people,but I have some answers for that
.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
That's what's frustrating me a lot is that
it's coming down to like theirintentions are clear, yeah, like
the pain and the misery is atthe point, like they're not here
to it's a form of very grossdeterrence in their mind.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Right Of like abuse the population.
And then you know we continueto drive down the interest of
coming to the country.
Right, even for people who wantto do it legally, that you know
and want to come and contributeat a at a higher level, would
reconsider it and say I'm notsafe there.
Right Like it doesn't matter ifyou want to come here and be,
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you know, a banker, you know, orbe a insurance salesman or even
a medical professional.
You could get six months downthe road and just like you start
to look around and go.
They're busting us up and we'redisappearing.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Right Like I don't feel safe right, and that's
exactly why I think we reallyneed to change the conversation
from like asking people to likehave empathy.
Like these people have empathy,they can easily put themselves
in these people's shoes and likeunderstand what they're going
through.
Yeah, they're choosing themisery and the pain and the
suffering.
Show compassion.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
The humanity?
Yeah, you dehumanize, right.
There's an aspect ofdehumanizing Right.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
And if we want to call ourselves a Christian
nation act with compassion, yeah, you.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
And if we want to call ourselves a Christian
nation, act with compassion,yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
can't dehumanize Christians, can't dehumanize
period, right, like that's, youknow so you know, stop with, you
know, pretending that theempathy is going to matter.
Yeah, like we've talked about,empathy is they don't care.
Yeah, we need to get back totalking to them.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Be pointed.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
And with like you need to show compassion, like we
get it, like it may be toughfor you too, but it's tough for
them.
We're all in this like showcompassion, yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Man, I don't know, it's sort of a.
You know I can hear theargument.
We'll be compassionate whenthey stop, you know, flooding
our borders, when they stopinvading us.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
As Jesus commanded us , right yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
We'll do our part when they do their part right I
hear a lot of jesus was thecarpenter.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
He like building walls, yeah right he built the
wall around jerusalem out ofwood, right yeah ridiculous that
we have people that are are notum living the values that they
like are projecting on to thiscommunity that's, you know, yeah
, and know I'm assuming thegreat men thing that you're
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talking about.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I haven't attended it , but I assume that it is
affiliated with some Christianorganization.
So, yeah, that would be.
That would be really.
I would be uncomfortable inthat space if they were
basically, you know, promoting amessage like let's dehumanize
all these people that we'rearresting, because that'll keep
our kids safe.
What are we teaching our kidsby?
Speaker 2 (18:22):
that, but this is a space that they don't get any
kind of pushback.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Correct.
Well, it's the clapping spot.
I've decided now that's mypolitical term for the clapping
spot.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Yeah, when you're feeling a little low, just go to
the clapping spot, go down tothe clapping spot.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Every politician needs a couple of them, right?
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
So he hits us every Sunday and he's got a rapt
audience.
They love hearing it, oh sure,and they think that they're
accomplishing things.
It's like I don't know if Isaid it last week, but it's just
really a facade of safety andsecurity for, you know, those
folks north of Platt here herein Colorado Springs that north
side, that you knowpredominantly white side of the
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town, sure, and there's stillstuff going on there.
You know there's still like aTesla bomb came out of, you know
, colorado Springs that drove tothe Trump Tower.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
That was on the north side of town, yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
So, like their fears of this community down here are
self-driven, like they'recreating a problem and solving
it out of the air.
Yeah, and then solving it andthinking that they did.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Well, that's the donald trump method right, break
it as hard as you want, andthen you know, once you fix it a
little bit, you're like checkit out, I fixed it, yeah, so
yeah, yeah, but even in thiscommunity there was never really
a problem with illegalimmigration or just like.
Some rampant cesspool of crimebecause of or taking a lot of
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our resources and things likethat Sure.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
There was never that problem yeah.
It's pretty spread out evenly.
They're all kind of messed up.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Yeah, sure, sure.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
So it's evenly spread .
That's how it works.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Fair.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
But yeah.
So that safety net that theyhave or that they feel now,
because 100 people that weremissing from their jobs the next
day are gone now.
Yeah, it's just ridiculous thatcommunity is being forced into
compliance right now.
They're being told to shut up,sit down.
If you do get a job, be happythat I'm giving you $7 an hour.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Yeah, that's true.
Be happy I didn't call theimmigration guys, right yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
There's more fear, there's more intimidation.
I hope they leave man, notbecause I want them to go, but
because, just for their safety,the lack of response from our
community and our electedleaders like they are not safe
here, wow, like it's disgusting.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Well, like you said, this is not a sanctuary city
right.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
That's what the mayor wants everybody to know right,
because, like people ask forhelp from the church.
Yeah yeah, the goal of thechurch is to help the people,
the poor folks, and like theywould show up and ask for help
and we're like hey, hey, hey,what are you doing?
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, there's a bridge up inDenver with your name on it,
right yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
So so we, you know we have all these issues and
obviously we don't get, you know, represented real well, you
know, here at the federal level.
So you know, me and somefriends went down to Jeff
Crank's office.
Somebody got a call back so shewas allowed to bring like seven
other folks, so we had eight ofus around the table and we
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didn't get to talk to Crankbecause he doesn't do that stuff
.
But our goal here was to get tohim, like have a conversation.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Have a message with his administration.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
And more sort of build a relationship with them.
Yeah, like you know, we can goin there and we can bitch and
moan and cry Like you getnothing done, like you might
feel a little bit better.
And then there was definitelysome of that yesterday we
definitely took some steps.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Okay, all right, yeah , and I won't say that I had,
I'll just let our listeners knowwhy didn't Dick go?
I had work to do and I had adoctor's appointment.
But then there was some littlething in the back of my brain
that was like I know that there,that this is a veterans folks,
they're going to be professional, they understand kind of the
gravitas of where they're at.
But if passions get inflamed orif someone says some offhanded,
(22:09):
you know, crazy Republican typesideways comment, right that it
could get kind of goofy inthere, you know that's.
I was like I don't know if Iwant to be around when that
happens, you know yeah, uh.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
So it was funny because in our kind of um
introductions with them, uh, oneof the vets was like don't
treat me like I'm stupid.
Yeah, like he kind of laid thatground just got straight up
with it, yeah yeah, like, like,don't talk around stuff, don't.
Don't like we're educated people, yeah, we know what's going on,
yeah, um.
So yeah, like, it is alwaysnice being in a conversation
(22:43):
with vets because it's a littlemore straightened to the point,
you know, cut through some ofthe fat, um.
But so, yeah, we went there and, uh, a funny story was, you
know, we kind of pre-gamed thenight before just to kind of
make sure that we stayed ontopic and we made Hit some goals
Right and had an agenda yeah.
And have questions anddeliverables and requests from
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them.
Yeah, to keep the conversationgoing.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Yeah, and we do have a follow-up meeting in two weeks
too.
Okay, so our initial goal of wewant a relationship where we
keep going, keep doing it, so wedo got that.
But we rallied up the daybefore and talked about it and
one of the folks that was goingwith me she had gone there the
day before and so she wastalking with they, were going
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through their spiel with therepresentative that was meeting
with us, with the representativethat was meeting with us, yeah,
and somebody came into the roomthat they were sitting in to
pick up some artwork and theygot sidetracked onto like a
20-minute conversation of theartwork and stuff like that
Beautiful artwork.
It was local and she told usabout that and we were all kind
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of like, well, let's watch outfor that.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
And so the next day, yeah, they tried it again.
She came in and tried to startmoving artwork and he tried to
have some conversations and wewere like, no, we're good on the
art.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
These are the things that we want to talk about, and
we shut them down and we stayedon topic.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Yeah, but going into these things with a level mind
and a plan, it helps you be ableto stay focused and, like,
hopefully, get some resultsRight.
One of the biggest things thatwe're going to work for now, or
work towards, is that they don'thave any veterans in their
office.
Oh, okay, so he says likethey've had some like cycle
through and he has like aveteran representative.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Yeah, you know, focus point yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Liaison and he's like you know that person's real
good with social work, blah,blah, blah.
And he's like you know thatperson's real good with social
work, blah, blah, blah.
And he's like well, you know,do you want a tank driver or do
you want somebody who's good atthe work?
And like.
I didn't have a response at thetime, Okay, but it pissed me
off.
Yeah, Because that tank driverhas like four soldiers
underneath them.
Yeah, Each one has like theirown, like opposite ends of the
spectrum, crazy shit going on intheir lives, you know, from
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being suicidal to having births,to losing people.
If there's anybody qualified todo any kind of constituency
work and social work, it's thattank driver.
Sure, you know he knows people.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
I wouldn't downgrade, I mean being a veteran.
It doesn't matter what you didright, it's the service, it's
the mentality, it's the training, it's the leadership.
Those are the service.
It's the mentality, it's thetraining, it's the leadership,
those are the values.
It doesn't matter if you were acook or an intelligence officer
or a plane pilot like that shitdoesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Yeah, yeah.
So like that alone was kind ofinsulting.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
That's why they don't have a veteran in their office,
right like you know that.
You know he's that dude's likethey're all the same or they're
not.
You know like whatever, not.
You know he didn't get it.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
That's just a tank driver to him.
It's nothing more than somebodythat can go catch a bullet when
he needs him to go catch abullet.
Yeah, yeah, but we narrow viewof what the military is or what
a veteran is Right, yeah, so soyou know, we didn't really hit
that, but we hot washedafterwards and we were talking
there's actually programs outthere that do fellowships to get
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veterans into politics andstuff like that, and so we could
get a veteran into their officewithout them having to pay
anything Sure, anything Sure.
And you know, what I'm going topropose to him next time we
talk to him is that you know, wevet folks, you know three or
four.
Obviously we're going to pick aRepublican, or maybe a, or a
libertarian, or a libertarian.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
I'm hearing something .
I'm really getting reallyinterested in doing something
here.
So yeah, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
And we could get somebody that kind of aligns
with.
You know some of theRepublicans, but we'll still be
open to communicating with usand come to our events and come
to do things with vets as awhole and not as a Republican or
a Democrat.
Sure, you know somebody thatactually represents our
community of.
You know 15% vets here, yeah,and it wouldn't cost anything to
the office.
So we're going to look intothat and we're going to present
that and that's the part thatshould be a hook right Is this
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person will volunteer.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
But, man, I've been in situations like that where
I've personally volunteered todo pretty significant duties for
free or had helped other peopletry to do that, and the
organization, the, the freeness,still didn't matter because of
some other unspoken thing aboutwhat their agenda was or what
was good.
You know, there was a somebackground thing where they were
like they'd kind of, you know,just just uh, smoke, smoking
(27:21):
mirrors you out of theconversation.
So the fellowships.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
I think they're paid okay, so so we can actually get
somebody paid in there to dothis, so they actually have
accountability.
Yeah, the committee that we'retalking about trying to find
somebody that would get throughtheir wickets, that would be
volunteers.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Gotcha, but yeah, I think that's a workable solution
, sure, and I think it'ssomething that if we present it
and they say no, why Tell me whyyou don't want help.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
What do you not want from us?
What is bad about this plan?
But like tell me.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Because I was on one of my tirades and I was like,
hey, if you want the monarchy,just let me know and we'll
change the conversation.
But you know we're here to talkabout, like, your oath to the
Constitution.
But we're here to talk aboutyour oath to the Constitution,
the way that you are reading therule of law and not executing
the due process.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
I was just on one of my tirades.
I want to get in my littlemagic ball time machine here.
If there was a monarchy, whatwould the Congress become?
Would they be lords?
The House of Lords?
Speaker 2 (28:26):
They'd be the House of Lords.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
House of Lords and House of Commons like parliament
.
Type set up, yeah, their littleland, yeah yeah, governors
become um, whatever, uh, likedukes, right instead of you know
you could give the governorslike a duke ship well, they feel
like governors, like didn'tthey have?
governors.
Well, I mean it would be.
You know you had counts anddukes, and that's what a
governor was right.
They had counties.
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That's why you were a count,because you were in charge of a
county right and that you wereliterally the monarchical head
of that region, and that's whatthat meant.
And then a duke was likesomeone who had more than a
couple counties as their estate.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
And then it all falls under bloodlines too.
Yes right, you got to hope thatyour congressman didn't raise
some jackasses.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Well, yeah that's true, yeah, yeah.
What if the governors all getthe right to like they can
decide, if their senators orcongresspeople get a status, you
know, like a lordship, you know, but the governors get the
preemptive choice.
You know I'm like, hey, thismonarchy time sounds like fun
man.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
I want to get some land and you know, a crest.
It's crazy that we're havingthe conversation Like it would
just be so much easier to fightfor our Constitution.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Well, yeah, you know what I heard there?
I heard this is the way we'vealways done it.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
And I don't like that , you know.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Don't we fight on that in the military right Like
this is the way we've alwaysdone it.
Don't say that We've got toinnovate, we've got to come up
with better ways to do things.
It's bad unit culture ifsomeone says, well, this is just
the way we've always done it.
That should be the NCO'sefficient work, that kind of
stuff, right?
Speaker 2 (30:08):
So this whole democracy thing, man this is the
way we've always done it youknow 200 years.
You know I was also giving hima lot of grief over the budget
and like the cuts to the socialsecurity safety networks and the
raise in like the militaryindustrial complex money.
And it's not so much that youknow we're funding the military
(30:28):
that pisses me off, it's thefact that we're not funding the
people we're funding, which wetalked about a week or two ago.
Yeah, and like I mean the F 35program.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
What a like absolute like doge it garbage fire.
Yeah, yeah, cause that thing,everything broke.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
So you, it was so you know.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
The prime contractor had everything subbed out and
nothing really talked and likethere's just so many problems.
It was a technical nightmare,yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Yeah, and so we're going to keep funding programs
like that, new programs likethat.
We got the new.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
F-49.
After Donald Trump, we'renaming it Trump.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Yeah, yeah, trump fighter, yeah, so you know,
we're going to put all thesethings in.
And to your point a second ago,equipment isn't innovative.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Right.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Like you give me an iPhone I can send, I can call, I
can text, but you give it tolike a qualified person and they
can do some amazing things withthis.
Sure, you know it's the peoplethat are innovative, not the
equipment.
Yeah Right, correct.
So when we continue to fundequipment that's not engineered
properly is engineered toofastly or quickly, I guess?
yeah, proper word or bigly butbut it's not going through the
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proper steps.
There's not enoughcommunication internally, blah,
blah, blah.
Fund the people that couldsolve those problems to make
your processes better, so thatwhen you want to fund or build
something new it's not acomplete garbage fire every time
, every time, like the PentagonWars.
That movie about the Bradleyfighting machine it's funny.
(31:56):
It's Kelsey Grammer's?
Yeah, it's funny, but it is sodamn realistic and it's like
based on a true story.
Yeah, but it is so realisticwhere we don't define
requirements.
We don't do this.
Like every step of projectmanagement is just by the seat
of their pants and chaos frombeginning to end.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Yeah, and the?
You know, there's this ideathat the government has been on
and we're going to get super inthe worm.
You know dirt on this one,contracts versus variable price
contracting, and the big primeshave had this blank check
mentality for the last 20 plusyears 30 years probably that
(32:33):
like, hey, we can build you thatfighter, it'll cut, it'll take,
you know, a hundred milliondollars and three years.
And what that really means isin the next three years we'll do
a hundred million dollars worthof work and then we'll all just
regroup and decide how farwe've come.
Not, we'll have an airplane inthree years.
And they knew that.
And they said, well, well then,let's tack on three more and
(32:53):
maybe by year 10, we'll have anairplane.
And you're like what?
But you're already three yearsdeep, you're already a hundred
million dollars deep.
And so that has been the gamefor big contracting in the
government and now it's shiftingto more of the hey.
If you can deliver on time andon price, or we're going to buy
it somewhere else, right, thatneeds to happen right, well, and
(33:18):
a lot of the push or thesliding of timelines comes
because we don't define thatrequirement up front.
We say we want a fighter.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
So they start building a fighter.
Oh wait, we want missiles onthat.
Yeah, okay, so we'll buildmissiles now, yeah, and then.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
So they keep, and then they say, hey, there's
going to be this new navigationnetwork, like 10 years from now.
How's it be capable of talkingto that?
Well, it doesn't even exist yet.
Right, build the equipment.
It's like what?
So, yes, that's true, and youknow that couples back to the.
(33:52):
They ask for a certain set ofrequirements and then, by the
time that three years is up, youknow it's grown legs, just like
in the Pentagon Wars thing.
Right.
And then, even if that doesn'thappen, just the.
The other benefit from apolitical perspective is if the
big primes came to you and andtold you the truth it's going to
cost $40 billion to make thatthing.
Instead of saying, oh, $5billion, $5 billion means we can
(34:14):
get you some blueprints, right.
And instead of being honest,because no politician wants to
sign up for a program, that'sthe most expensive thing ever in
history, right.
If someone gave them the realbid and said it's $40, no one
could justify paying for that.
But they can justify bits andpieces and then, like you say,
the sunk cost piece of like well, we didn't want to throw 20
(34:36):
billion in the trash.
We're going to put 20 morebillion on top.
But if someone said 40 billionon day one, it would never get
made right, and so there's acatch-22 there that politicians
can't bite off on the truth, sothe prime contractors can't give
them the truth Right, but stillneed a new aircraft.
That didn't stop.
The need for a new jet Didn'tstop happening.
(34:59):
Right, you know so yeah, man, Ihate that and you know I don't
want to toot my own horn, but Ilive in the small business space
and I live in the you knowsmall contractor space and you
know you give us a group likemine and I'm not the only one,
but small companies like us yougive us a million dollars.
Dude, we're out here likebreaking the laws of physics
with a million dollars.
You know what I'm saying.
(35:19):
And you give a prime a milliondollars.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
They can't even stock the toilet paper.
You're the person that we'retalking about controlling space,
and time.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Yeah, for a million dollars.
Right, but, like Raytheon,spends a million dollars on
toilet paper at the headquartersevery year.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
There's no innovation bought for a million dollars.
With a prime, you don't evenget the whole team to show up on
time for a million dollars,right.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
So I was going to wrap it up with that.
That's.
Another good point that I'vebeen hearing lately, too is that
I think we really need todelineate the difference between
small business and big business, Like so much of the time, like
when people start talking aboutyou know increasing taxes on
businesses small business islike whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,
whoa.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
No, I'm not talking about you man, you guys are cool
.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Like, if you're making millions of dollars a
year, though we're going to kickit back a little bit here.
Sure, you know what I mean, andI think we really need to do a
better job of being veryspecific when we say Raytheon
doesn't need this money.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
but Proof Labs does yeah sure.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Make sure that we're talking about those small
businesses here locally,especially with Spaceman leaving
and things like that.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Yeah, the innovation bang for the buck out of the
small business community is justexponentially higher than the
innovation bang for the buck outof the big prime community.
And I'm not hating on the bigprimes because they can deliver
certain levels of manufacturingand consistency that no small
company could ever do, right.
So there's a need for that,right.
But if you want that same kindof cog maker to really do
(36:48):
cutting edge work, that's notwhat they're built and designed
to do, right, and but the trustis there, uh, but you know, they
also know how to spend a lot ofmoney, right, so it's a chicken
and egg situation for sure.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Yeah, yeah, all right .
Well, hey, thanks for joiningus this week.
Uh, covered a lot of stuff here.
Didn't even get into half ofthe list, so I guess we'll have
another episode next week.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Yep, well, thanks Adam.
Thanks everybody for listening.
We'll catch you next time.
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