May 23, 2025 • 37 mins
How does a democracy collapse? Not always with a bang, but sometimes through bureaucracy and paperwork.
When 86 Americans go missing after government raids and the official response is "fill out a form on our website," we've crossed dangerous lines. As veterans who swore oaths to defend the Constitution, we're deeply troubled by what we're witnessing. The suspension of Fifth Amendment rights creates a slippery slope where other constitutional protections become vulnerable, all while officials mischaracterize concepts like habeas corpus to justify expanded executive powers.
The contradictions are striking. The same political voices that rail against "tax and spend" policies now champion trillion-dollar deficits while gutting social safety nets. How does removing healthcare from 13.7 million Americans strengthen our nation? These aren't abstract policy debates but real decisions affecting real lives—including veterans and military families who served this country.
Most concerning is how democratic processes themselves can undermine the republic. By building power from school boards up through local government, a strategic minority can gradually reshape laws to legitimize previously unacceptable actions. When what's legal diverges from what's ethical, we find ourselves in treacherous territory.
We're hosting a V-Day event on June 6th at Memorial Park, where veterans will speak about serving under oath. Purple Heart recipients, Gold Star families, and military spouses will share perspectives on duty and justice in today's America. As veterans, we continue to serve by standing for the principles we swore to defend—even when those principles are under attack from within.
Whatever your political beliefs, we invite you to join us in asking: What kind of America do we want to build? One where citizens disappear without recourse, or one that lives up to its founding ideals? Subscribe to hear more veteran perspectives on the issues that affect us all.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of
Left Face, the Pikes Peak RegionVeterans Podcast about
political views and personaltopics.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
That was good.
Yay, that wasn't bad.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Yeah, I'm your co-host, dick Wilkinson, and I'm
joined, as always, with myfriend Adam Gillard.
Hey, dick, how you doing?
I'm doing great.
We are now going to try andoutdo each other with peas in
the intro, and you know it'll befun for the listeners.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
It's like an Easter egg.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
You get to count the peas.
There's other jokes there.
Reminds you of those days ofthe drug test mornings back in
the military.
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yeah, the greatest days is like you become an E5
and you realize you have to dothat.
You're like oh, it's not whatit ought to be, it's all cracked
up to be.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I have to get here before everybody else and then I
have to watch everybody elseand then I have to stay when
it's over.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah, no fun.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Well, I'm sure a lot of our listeners can reminisce
about that.
It was a guaranteed experiencein the military that you'd have
those early morning calls and,as we talked about recently,
some folks on Fort Carsonprobably had some of those.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
No kidding, there's probably some different rounds.
One thing I learned is thatthey don't test everyone right.
They dump them all into a batchand then they test the batch
and then if that batch test pops, then they dive into the people
on there.
So if you get called back in,you're in a bad batch.
So yeah, it's a crazy systemthat they got there, but I'm
(01:27):
sure they're getting some newfolks.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
While we're on our sidetrack, you know I was never
in a unit where some big youknow fraud, waste and abuse type
story broke or anything thathit the front headlines of
military times or anything likethat.
But I did get, you know, I gotto witness one of those things
that you might hear about in oneof your annual trainings, right
when they're like, hey, if youever see this happen, something
might be up, right.
Well, I did get to see one ofthose.
There was a guy that was theNCO in charge of the urinalysis
program for the unit, and wewere overseas and so there was a
(02:06):
little bit more paperwork toship it to our, like, parent
unit wherever we were at.
But we weren't, um, we weren'tallowed to not do it right
there's some places where youdon't have to do it because just
logistically you can't right.
So we had like four batches in arow get flagged and like thrown
out because the paperwork, thehandling of everything was not
(02:29):
done properly.
Right.
And it's all in the chain ofcustody, and the just signatures
, and is everybody trained andall that stuff?
Right, yeah, there'sdeficiencies every time.
And so all all these just gotthrown out, you know.
And so there was aninvestigation.
Yeah, um, and dude was leavingright about that time, right,
and I mean he was just alreadyon orders and it was just time
for him to go right, and he hadjust gotten promoted and was now
(02:52):
wearing e7 and was on the wayout the door of the unit, okay,
and that was kind of the end ofit is.
They were just like, well, he'sgonna go on and be a great guy
somewhere else, and like I don'tknow who ran the investigation,
but that was it that was it, hejust left you know so like okay
, well, at least I guess youknow from the unit's perspective
, if it was him not, that youwould want to pass this problem
(03:14):
on to somebody else.
But we, our next batch is goingto make it through.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, problem solved you know, yeah, whether he was
being nefarious or just bad athis job, whatever yeah, a lot of
times in the military like itjust becomes someone else's
problems, because everybody'sjumping in like two years so
they're like, yeah, it'ssomebody else's problem yeah, I
got six others, yeah rightexactly so.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Yep, that was that for sure.
Well, thanks, thanks forfollowing that with us everybody
.
Um, we'll get back to the storyhere, our usual weekly update.
We have the Kilmar accountToday.
We did the math, we asked chatGPT and it told us because we're
not in our normal office today.
So we're at 73 days 72 dayssince he was taken from his home
(03:59):
.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
And silence crickets.
The administration said we'renot going to get him, he's never
going to spend another nighthere, and it's true and
everybody's just kind of coolwith it at this point.
It's crazy because we have 86or 46.
I can't remember the numberthat we have missing right now
because some have been accountedfor and things like that.
But here locally, from that 104that we're missing, I believe
(04:20):
it's still 86 are unaccountedfor, that were missing.
I believe it's still 86 areunaccounted for Because people
come on and say these folks hadwarrants, these folks are
eligible for deportation, like12 of them or something like
that, were eligible fordeportation.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
So they were identified and this agency has
control.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah, like this was a bad person.
Let's deport them, get them outof here, whatever.
And then this other 80 plus isjust gone.
And I keep reaching out toelected officials offices and
they keep saying well, familymembers need to go to this
government website and fill outinformation on the person.
Yeah, and then we'll reach backout and contact you.
(04:58):
And you're telling these peopleto go to a government website
and fill it out after thegovernment has just kidnapped
their loved ones.
To go to a government websiteand fill it out after the
government has just kidnappedtheir loved ones.
So even if that kid say I'm a20-year-old kid, I'm the anchor
baby right.
So both my parents are illegal.
If I got snatched up at thattime, my parents aren't going to
(05:20):
be coming to like— Not in thisgovernment.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
No, absolutely not.
They would have been hesitantanyway.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Right, but that's a guaranteed door knock right
there, exactly, yeah and so.
And the person that gotsnatched doesn't want their
parents getting snatched up.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
No, so yeah, they're not, they're not gonna be like
hey, mom, help me out right,like they'll be like hey I'm not
calling mom I don't wantanybody to know.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
you know who I'm talking to People are accepting
that people are disappearing andit's sad that the community has
to deal with this and live infear.
There are so many still shadyvehicles.
I'm part of the responsenetwork.
There's a lot of shady vehiclesout there just waiting for
people and there's a lot of.
There's just a lot of likecooperation between our local
(06:07):
law enforcement just cedingtheir rights to serve and
protect us to the federalgovernment when they're just
letting ICE come along forroutine warrant serves and
things like that.
It's so out of hand, so farpast.
I said it earlier, we're juststreaking past red lines like
lines in the sand, like we, weshould have stopped it at this
(06:27):
point, this point, this point,this point.
I mean that going back to likethe 2016, election when he was
like making fun of likehandicapped people, like, yeah,
we should have said thisprobably isn't the person.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
The amount of tolerance and you know, um, just
not even.
I don't even say second, secondchances, because that's not a.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Thing.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Just tolerance and grace given towards somebody
that doesn't want it.
They're going to do what theywant to do.
Whether you forgive them forbeing a difficult person or not,
For me the trouble I hearwithin this story is the answer
is a bureaucratic answer, andthe process of engage with this
website.
(07:05):
I'm not trying to say anybody'sspecifically trying to punt and
like, not solve the problem,but if they're trying to
basically say this is the rightchannel to follow and that's
maybe the only channel to followother than just showing up at a
police station or somethinglike that, Um, that's kind of
sad, you know, like, hey, weunderstand that this route is
(07:26):
broken and if that's the stonewall, then that's the stone wall
.
And political affiliation aside, if the answer from the
government is basically engagewith this bureaucracy and if you
can't do that, then we can'thelp you, that's not what we
should expect from thegovernment and definitely not
the judicial.
Law and order, that's not lawand order.
No, that's not what we shouldexpect from you know, the
government, and definitely notthe judicial.
Like law and order, that's notlaw and order, no, it's law.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah and then no order.
You know like they're doing agreat job of exercising, you
know their authority, but youknow we have a whole series on
NBC about this law and order,yeah Right, plenty of case law.
It's like it's a two-partprocess.
Sure, you know they really needto get back to this due process
because you know right nowthey're suspending the Fifth
(08:10):
Amendment.
You know, and Did you see?
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Christie.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
I was just about to sidetrack there too.
You must have saw my eyes whenyou said amendment and I was
like, I know, yeah, habeascorpus, habeas corpus.
And I was like, no, whatever,habeas corpus, habeas corpus.
It does not mean that thepresident can deport whoever the
hell he wants.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
That's pretty common.
She said it means the executivecan exercise his right to get
rid of dangerous people.
Yeah, no, that's not it.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
And what blows my mind is she's a politician her
whole life, so she's probablybeen in law.
It's just such a a gross ummisinformation campaign like she
knows she, she knows what thatmeans right yeah, and she's
trying to.
She's trying to serve thatnarrative because people will
(08:57):
get that and that's it.
Um, yeah, yeah, that was just Ican't remember where we were
talking before that, but we hada couple conversations about
that this week where actually Iremember now.
So right now we're suspendingthe Fifth Amendment, saying that
it's illegal, since they camehere illegally.
(09:18):
As soon as they're hereillegally, they're criminals.
Once you suspend one amendment,it's pretty easy to suspend
others.
Yeah, you know they're.
They could easily roll back.
Second amendment rights.
And and then where do we stand?
like when that red line happens,like what do you guys do that
(09:40):
right?
Um, so just allowing this.
And it always frustrated me theargument about the slippery
slope.
Like you know, you allow gaypeople to get married pretty
soon.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
They're sleeping with dogs, you know it's a slippery
slope, sure, sure but then nowwe're.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
We are like skiing down this black diamond slope
and they're not even trying tohit the brakes and like nobody's
wearing a helmet.
Yeah, yeah, you know, we are onthe slope, man, we are falling.
Uh, where are people to standup to this?
Um, it has to come from peopleon the right, because right now,
the left is so demonized and so, like, ostracized when it comes
(10:16):
to anything, uh, that we can'tget.
We can't get anything done well, you know what?
Speaker 1 (10:22):
uh, let let's use a very current event.
It's not even a done deal yet.
The Big Beautiful Bill and Idon't want to talk about that
too much I haven't watched, I'vekind of ignored some of the
news on it a little bit.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
I'm kind of letting it boil over until I go look at
it, but the thing that I'msurprised by I shouldn't, I
shouldn't, excuse me, surpriseis not the right word the thing
that I heard and I said ohreally, was it?
Increases spending?
Right, and so Democrats thesame people who say that you're
(10:55):
worried about slippery slope insocial narratives Right.
They also will jump up and downand call Democrats, tax and
spend Democrats, right.
And I mean it's not wrong,right.
Like there's some aspects wheregovernment, social services,
that democratic politician comesup with a new tax to pay for
the thing that they believe thecommunity needs.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
That does happen, yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Um, republicans have to do that at sometimes too, to
get things done.
Right, you know they do.
But the but an administrationthat's meant to be hearkening
back to the days of conservatisma la Ronald Reagan, is putting
forward a trillion dollarspending increase.
I'm not talking about the DODbudget, I'm just saying the
overall budget.
Right.
Trillion dollar deficitincrease per year, more money to
(11:41):
be going out than what could becoming in, with tax cuts built
into this.
Trillion dollars, yeah, yeah,how Okay.
So we're tax and spend.
You're what?
And spend, what are you doing?
You spend and spend.
Is that it?
Speaker 2 (11:56):
What do you call that .
I've been to CongressmanCrank's office a few times now
and every time that, whoeverthey're arguing with or talking
with, we don't get intoarguments, just talk with them.
But whoever they're talkingwith, did they always bring up
the $34.6 trillion in debt?
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Well, how do you want us to?
Speaker 2 (12:16):
take care of this.
That is their talking point.
It's like we're taking care ofthis but, like you just said,
you're increasing it whileremoving all of the social
safety nets that people rely onfor when things go bad.
So all the stuff that you aresaving money on, you're just
passing that buck on to thepeople.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
You're destabilizing the economic base that pays
those taxes in the first place.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah, yeah, so folks are going to be getting kicked
off their insurance.
Yeah, I think it was like 13.7million people are going to be
kicked off their insurancewithout being able to shop from
the exchange.
Yeah, so now they have to gosomewhere else and be at the
whim of the insurance companiesagain.
And that's just day one, likeyou said, waiting for some of
(13:06):
these things to kind of come tofruition, because this was
another late-night bill.
That again, republicans whineand cry all the time about these
late-night bills.
I think the Affordable Care Actwas a late night bill.
That again, republicans whineand cry all the time about these
late night bills.
That I think the affordablecare act was a late night bill
too.
Okay, and everybody was, youknow, crying oh, they did that
late night behind closed doors.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Yeah, and here we are , like dude doing the same
hypocrisy, it just never stopsnow I I mean uh, now I mean, hmm
, the House not everybody on theRepublican ticket in the House
voted yes and they actually hadenough dissenters that they
didn't get it by purely onRepublican votes.
(13:44):
Right, there were someDemocrats that actually voted
for it.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
I don't think so.
I thought there was two naysonly on the Republican side.
Well then they know where theirbubble is.
Yeah, it was like 215 to 214.
I didn't.
Was two nays only on theRepublican side.
Well then they know where theirbubble is.
Yeah, it was like 215 to 214.
I didn't know they played thebubble on this one.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
I thought there was a little bit of shifting there.
I didn't know what thosenumbers were, but the Senate now
there, seems to be a little bitmore pushback, and so that's
what I was saying in thebeginning.
It's a current event that's notdone yet.
Beginning it's not.
It's a current event that's notdone yet.
I don't know if we're going tosee senators taking a grandstand
approach, if we're going totake to see them take a true
(14:18):
hard line fiscal approach, or ifthis is all just a show and you
know it doesn't matter andthey're going to vote for it
anyway yeah, um so far, likewith the confirmations and
things like that, where therewas really some candidates that
a lot of these senators justwere like oh my gosh, I can't
believe.
They're like, really, you wantme to vote for this person, but
they would.
Only they'd say that for twodays and then it was like in the
bag.
He didn't have to call them andtell them, you know, vote for
(14:41):
them, they just made their onelittle remark and then two days
later they so the I.
That's totally possible thatthat's going to happen again
right now.
Um, I heard that I don't, Ican't you know, we can't verify
this, but that, basically, ifyou're a holdout on something
that Trump likes, he just callsyou on the phone and starts
(15:03):
yelling at you oh really, yeah,and he's just like I'll ruin
puppet.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Master, you better dance or we're going to cut your
strings yeah which is likegrossly unconstitutional Correct
To put them on that kind oflever, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Yeah, you're not supposed to do that.
That's why you're in theexecutive branch right, that's
what the majority whip is for orthe minority whip is for.
Is you call that person and sayget it done.
And then if they have some youknow marbles to play in the game
like, oh, what's his name?
Oh, gosh, turtle guy, what'shis name?
Speaker 2 (15:40):
The senator McConnell Turtle guy, I got you.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
McConnell and, I think, lindsey Graham both have
had you know, I know McConnell'skind of checking out now but
they had the strings, the pursestrings on all the money for all
the senator you know senatorialcampaigns.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Yeah, they were the super PAC leaders.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Yeah you had to get into the alliance, right, and so
that guy could basically tellyou I know how you're voting on
this.
I'm going to remember when youcome back.
I'm going to remember and Iknow we got six years and that
feels like a long time, but I'vebeen here for a minute.
He's leaving now, but that'swhat that person's there for is
to do that bidding.
They do it based on what theybelieve they can achieve in
(16:21):
their role different from theexecutive.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
When we talked to Representative Crank's office
this week we had a secondmeeting where we're trying to
work towards a relationship andhave some like um influencer
like conversations with them tohopefully get a veteran's
perspective in there.
Um, but you know, when we'retalking with him I I
specifically talking about thebudget bill and coming up.
(16:45):
We didn't think it would go tovote that quickly or last night,
but uh, or the night before Ican't remember yeah, um.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
But I told him, beautiful it lasted, yeah, right
.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
I told him you know we need crank to start
dissenting on things If we haveany hope of keeping space
command here.
You know, with, with.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Oh, as a lever.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah, the only leverage that he has to do
anything, or our entire, becausethey keep telling us our entire
Colorado delegation is this isour number one priority.
Well then, stop voting yesevery time.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Yeah, yeah, you got to step out of the party line
for a second and raise your handand say we need to pay
attention to this.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Yeah, let's have a conversation about here real
quick, waiting for that tohappen.
The person we spoke to saidthat Congressman Crank has a
meeting scheduled sometime withthe Speaker and moving up and
things like that to hopefullykeep those conversations rolling
about keeping it here, but hisvote tells me that he doesn't.
(17:47):
We know that Trump doesn't givea shit about us.
He's already threatened everyblue state out there, sure, and
so now we're a deep red spotinside of a blue spot and he's
going to give up all of hispower by just saying yes to him
all the time.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Yeah, absolutely.
And I mean I'm looking to theSenate because Tommy Tuberville
is the draw in Alabama to youknow he's the voice that saying
this that we want it, and he,you know he's the voice that's
saying this that we want it, andhe's the squeaky wheel in the
you know the overall, I guess,political argument right.
And so if you look to oursenators, I'm not, you know,
upset with them one way or theother but, they're democrats and
so they don't have this way todo anything about.
(18:22):
You know his, his request or hisfavor, or whatever it is like
they don't have much way toaffect his relationship with
trump well, and you know, withour senators.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
I've spoke with both of them like kind of briefly,
and both of them kind of told methey like to be in the middle
and just kind of be that youknow, moderate voice and like
okay, but that's not going toget anything done with these
folks in charge.
You know, like right now, ifyou, if you can't stand up and
like draw a hard line and say,no, we're this, you're just
going to get pushed over andlike just to like try to be
(18:55):
friendly with them and keepsaying yes to them and it's just
, it's not going to work.
Like this is why people don'tlike respect Democrats just in
general.
It's because they're so easy topush over and, like you know,
people got stolen from yourcommunity.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
And your answer?
Speaker 2 (19:12):
yeah, your answer is well, fill out a website.
No, the answer is you go standin that office until you get
some answers Like you can dothat.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
I hear the mayor of Newark is up for a squabble.
You know, let's get him outhere.
He can teach them how Throwdown.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
And then the representative from that area
got arrested too.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Yeah, so that's what I'm saying we need a delegation.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
And Trump said, like you know, that type of stuff
isn't going to go on anymore.
And she wasn't doing anythingcrazy.
She was standing there likedoing her job yeah, you know,
making demands for, you know,her constituents.
And yeah, he's saying thatanybody that dissents like that
is going to be crushed.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
And so now, like you know, with, we've had people you
know sit in on the floor ofCongress and get arrested for
doing that, you know.
And they were, you know,elected officials.
So I'm not saying there's atradition.
I'm not fond of this tradition.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
But there is a tradition of, as you had
mentioned before, politicalofficials, you know, getting
their little civil disobedienceslap on the wrist at some
jurisdiction that they don'tlive in, right?
Speaker 1 (20:22):
But to have the president piggyback on and be
just his vitriol self.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
It's just disgusting To have him represent America.
It's just disgusting.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
It just frustrates me to no end, yeah yeah, like it
just frustrates me, to no end,yeah yeah.
And the you know idea that theywant to get rid of bureaucracy,
but yet they use bureaucracy tocreate the stonewall and you
know, get rid of transparencywhen it works for them.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Right.
Well, I was just having thisconversation, if you want people
to keep their jobs.
Well they're bureaucrats right,you want people to obfuscate
stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
We have some job openings.
You, you know, that's what's up.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
I mean we're laughing , but that's yeah, that's what's
up.
You know, I had thisconversation with somebody
yesterday too about how theright has they've had such a
long-term plan to use democracyto attack the republic.
You know, even if you look atpresident trump's election,
where he didn't even win 50 ofthe vote, and now they're using
(21:14):
that to consolidate power behindthe executive branch, when you
know it wasn't the mandate thatthat they talk about, um, but
they did it through grassrootsdemocracy, starting at, like,
the school boards, thesuperintendents, uh, city
council, and building that baseof dedicated voters and just
(21:34):
voting in the minority, a loudminority of folks and all these
little small ones, and it'sbuilt up.
So now it's hard to go againstit because they just changed the
laws so that what they're doingis legal, so that they can
sleep easy at night, but it'snot ethical.
So now the republic's beingattacked with democracy.
(21:58):
How do you combat that?
Speaker 1 (22:02):
I feel like I heard.
When I sit around with myrepublican friends, I hear them
say sometimes the same thing,where they're like, man, I can't
believe it, you know.
And then they'll go off onsomething that they think is,
you know, liberal madness, right, and then they'll say that
basically, it's mob rule.
It's mob rule, man, you know.
(22:23):
And it's like, yeah, democracyis mob rule.
We're going to just putdefinitions out there, you know.
And so, yes, if there you getenough, concentrate enough
people and get them heavy, youknow, heavy handed with
something, and either side cando it.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
So yeah, that happens .
That's a funny comment to makeabout you know people on the
other side because, again,talking in Crank's office, this
week his representative said acouple of times like you know,
know the other side thought ifharris won, that democracy would
have fallen too, you know, andlike I don't understand, that
yeah, because you know,providing health care and
(23:03):
infrastructure for people doesnot kill democracy um like there
are people that believe thatthere is.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
We're one breath away from communism, right, and I
think that might be a little bitOf the type of mindset that
he's talking about.
You know, is that you get aCalifornia liberal in the White
House and we're one step awayfrom communism, and that's like
how a wonder twin powersactivate and next thing, you
know, there's no constitutionanymore, but but we've had.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
You know, I don't, I don't know we've had democrats
and they've never attacked thecapital on the way out, sure?
yeah you know, and I told them,I agree like they've never
attacked the capital on the wayout and they've never like
deliberately said I make thelaws or I interpret the laws,
which is straight up thejudicial branch, and I control
the purse, like those are, likehe has already done this, so
(23:57):
it's a direct attack on it.
And so like when people makethat correlation it's just like
a straw man argument, like oh,you guys have too, but those
arguments over there they don'thold weight because they're like
the actions to destroy ourrepublic were never taken.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
The evidence isn't there, right.
The belief is there, yeah.
The evidence is there, yeah,but it's a standard conservative
tactic but politics is verymuch about belief, right, and
then culture wars is even moreabout belief, right and so
that's the.
You're talking about the basethat he's representing, that's
the culture war base.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yeah, and culture wars, wars again.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
these are just problems that they make up and
once they're empowered, they saythey solved it and it was never
a problem in the first place.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yeah, yeah, so solved it, by which, I guess just
means we're going to stoptalking about it now right,
exactly like you haven't heardanything about like transgender
stuff really recently, rightlike, but last year that's why
people bought it, because theythought everybody was going to
get like a punch card for sexchanges.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Yeah, you know it's ridiculous what they it because
they thought everybody was goingto get a punch card for sex
changes.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Yeah, it's ridiculous what they were sold and they're
like oh, everybody's going togo.
No man, it was never theproblem that you guys made it
out to be.
Yeah, people are just trying tolive and be happy and not be
attacked.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Well, and you're right.
I mean it was almost alwayssingle-digit numbers in any
given state, in any given likeschool system or whatever.
It was never uh, this huge, uhthe.
It was easy to make the storyseem like.
Uh, if we concentrate on thistopic and we scoop up all the
stories from all over thecountry, it seems like there's a
lot happening, right.
(25:23):
But then if you really blowthat out and you're like there's
like a million schools inamerica, what are you talking?
Speaker 2 (25:28):
about, yeah, you know , when I was doing the election.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
There's a hundred people and there's a million
students.
I don't think that's astatistically significant,
something that we need to printbanners about.
You know what I'm saying Markeddowntown about.
Is that required?
Do we have to go rally at thestadium to make sure everybody
knows how much we hate people?
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Yeah, so I was doing the election stuff last year and
one of the people theRepublican on the board she gave
me Newsbreak.
It's an app that kind ofconsolidates it.
It puts it all together for youand I noticed that once I
started seeing it, it definitelyknew it, but you'd start to see
all the bad things happening.
(26:11):
So even here in ColoradoSprings, you'd see everything,
like every accident, everyaccident, and it's like I don't
need to know all these thingsgoing on because it's not
affecting me right now.
Yes, it sucks and it'snewsworthy stuff, but to get
bombarded with it, with thesenews breaks every couple minutes
, 30 minutes, whatever, this ishappening over here.
This is happening over here.
(26:32):
This happened like no man, wedon't need to know all that, but
like just focus on your day,take care of your stuff and like
go forward um, yeah, to getthat that much inundated and
like blasted with news all thetime, it melts your brain, man,
it's crazy now.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
I have, um, kids that are teenagers right now, so
they're in the school-agegeneration of people who could
be affected by something like atransgender athlete or a whole
bunch of other policies that arehappening at the federal level,
like education and, like yousaid, school board things, all
that stuff.
So I have family, my kids, thatare involved with that and I
(27:10):
get exposure is the point of thestory.
It's not just with my own kids,but with being around their
friends or hearing about what'sgoing on at their school or with
their friends.
Personally, I get a lot ofexposure right and I think the
sentiment around fairness andtransgender athletes it is not
(27:34):
an open and shut case with kidsbetween the ages of 13 and 18
years old.
There is an extremely diverseset of viewpoints out there
surprised that at how it what.
It's not hard to find somebodywho's like oh yeah, that you
know.
I'm really glad these thingsare changing and I never would
have said anything but now thatthey are changing.
(27:55):
I was not ever comfortable withthat easy to find that kid,
yeah.
And then there's you know totalflip side to that there's.
There's totally easy to find awhole group of kids that are
like, yeah, we're gonna go, youknow, protest over this, right,
yeah.
And so the passion is there andthe kind of breadth of
viewpoints is there Topic.
You know, if it wasn't abouttransgender topic aside the fact
(28:16):
that I feel like there's abreadth of interest in the, in
that age group, around even whatare fairly political topics I'm
encouraged by that.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
I'm encouraged by that?
I am too, because you know,when we were growing up, you
know 80s, 90s, kids, any kind oflike different thought, like
any kind of femininity for a guylike you, just got the crap
kicked out of you, sure.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
You know, so like.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Herd mentality.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
And so, like people didn't really, you know, try to
think outside the box, you justkind of, you know, toughened up
and toughened up and went aboutyour business.
So for people to be able tohave the capability and just the
space to explore, kind of, whothey are and find happiness
through other ways than justbeing a grunt running through
walls, good for them, yes, andthe fact that they can sit there
(29:06):
and talk about it and have aconversation.
And it's okay that some folksdon't understand it, but, like I
said, it wasn't allowed to beeven thought about 30, 40 years
ago.
So the fact that we're havingthe conversations now is always
going to be positive, as long aswhen people go into it, they
listen to each other.
Don't go and say everything'sone way or the other.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Listen to where they're coming from so that you
can meet them and I don't knowhow well the kids that I'm
talking about are able to listento counter viewpoints.
I can't speak too well to thatskill because they are teenagers
but I hear different viewpointsin similar kids, you know, and
so that that point you know Ican make, but I will.
I couldn't tell you for sure howthat clash might happen if two
(29:51):
counter viewpoints of you know acouple of 15, 16 year olds, I
don't know.
Yeah.
Yeah, a little sidebar, the oneabout the thing a few months
back about asking a woman ifthey would rather be left alone
in the woods with a man or abear, Right you know wow, that
was a yeah stimulatingconversation with my kids, man,
(30:15):
because I have a daughter and ason.
That are both teenagers, and so,of course, they just got pulled
into the whole TikTok craze orwhatever, and then they were
both had, you know real lifeconversations.
Everybody at school was just.
That's all they talked about,for a week.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
you know was that topic.
It's crazy how like somethinglike that can have like a pretty
big social impact, you know,and just get the conversations
rolling like a pretty big socialimpact, right, you know, just
get the conversations rolling,yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
And it exposed, you know how are.
Are young women really afraidof men, or just young men, or
whatever?
You know what's their viewpointon that?
Oh well, if it was a boy my age, I might not be afraid of him,
but if it was a 30 year old man,I'd be freaked out.
Okay, sure, that makes a littlemore sense, you know.
But hey, this is a chance foryou to describe that, instead of
just saying I'm afraid of men,you know, yeah, you know you
could talk about where yourtrust lies.
You know things like that andboys get to hear that, right,
(31:03):
and it's a question that a boymight not ever ask, you know.
So I think it was a good eyeopener for both sides.
But, um, then of course, therewere people that were just uh,
sensational to be difficult, youknow, and I would have been
that, I would have been thetroll.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Real life trouble, walking around with a bear suit,
difficult you know, and I wouldhave been that I would have
been the troll.
I would have been a real lifetroll walking around in a bear
suit at school you know, likebrr you know you chose me I
would have showed up with a bearhat or something For sure.
Yeah, the other thing we wantedto kind of hit real quick was
talking about V-Day coming up.
6 June, down in Memorial Park,we're going to have an event
(31:37):
where we're just going to havesome veterans kind of come
forward and tell their storiesand talk about serving with an
oath and what it means to serveunder oath.
We should have a pretty goodturnout there.
We're going to have people inthe back helping people make
signs because we have anotherbig protest on the 14th for no
Kings Day in the back helpingpeople make signs because we
(31:57):
have another big protest on the14th for no Kings Day.
So, you know, we'll startgetting signs prepped and, you
know, hopefully get some martialtraining, things like that.
But celebrating D-Day and thisis a, you know, memorial Day
weekend here it's somethingreally special for all of us
veterans.
So in order for us to, you know, kind of, you know, get out
into the community, we need tohave these moments where we
(32:20):
collaborate as veterans and cometogether as veterans and just
kind of tell our stories and letpeople know that we are here in
the community and we're here toserve still, so it should be a
really special day.
I hope everybody comes out.
Dick's going to be one of ourspeakers, so I'm really excited
to hear him.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
I know, you've got a lot, uh, a good track record of
speaking, you know through yourdays here going back to debate
in high school, so I'm prettyexcited to hear you kind of have
10 minutes of just yeah, justoh.
Now I gotta bring somethingspecial.
Got to get my keynote chowedout.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Yeah, there you go.
Yeah, it should be a pretty funday, though.
Down in Memorial Park Pavilionsit's near the Veterans Memorial
, that's down there.
If anybody hasn't been down tothe Veterans Memorial, it's
pretty cool.
It's under some construction,some repairs right now, but it's
still a pretty moving place.
(33:15):
We're not doing it right onthere just because I don't want
to have thousands of peopletrampling over the memorial
there, but real close, right bythe lake down there.
So, yeah, I hope people comeout.
We're going to have PurpleHeart recipients talking, gold
Star recipient speaking, somelocal leaders, spouses, because
(33:39):
I always valued the spouse'sopinion, because, especially now
when we're talking aboutserving during D-Day, when they
went out to serve, spouses backhome knew that their folks were
doing something.
Just they knew that they weregoing to fight bad people.
Now folks are leaving home,they're leaving their spouses
behind and the cause isn't asjust because they're going down
(34:02):
to a border and, you know,possibly interact with americans
, you know, and it's just whenthey're taking people and
they're, you know, executingthat law and we know there's
going to be no order behind it.
we know there's going to be noorder behind it we know there's
going to be no justice and sogetting some spouses speaking
too, it's going to be a powerfulnight, so I really look forward
(34:27):
to it and I hope everybody cancome out.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Yeah yeah, thanks for putting that together, Adam,
and thanks for inviting me tospeak.
I look forward to it for sure.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yeah, what else we got for today?
Speaker 1 (34:37):
I think we've done.
Oh, last little wrap up there.
Our thoughts go out to thecommunity, military community.
Out in San Diego Yesterdaymorning a small jet crashed.
There was eight passengers onboard I believe.
There was fatalities associatedwith those passengers, I don't
know if anyone survived and thenit crashed into a military
housing area in some Navy, somenavy housing, I believe.
(34:59):
That's in out there in sandiego.
Uh, it wasn't really close tothe water, it was over somewhere
else, but you know there'shousing units kind of plugged in
different parts of town.
So, uh, yeah, they crashed intoa military base and, um,
everyone was evacuated.
As far as I know, there werenot any injuries to any military
members on the ground.
Yeah, so, but I saw a picture ofit today and, yeah, the plane,
just you know, crashed fullyinto probably a duplex style
(35:20):
house on base and once, I youknow, it crashed into the garage
and crashed into the housingpark.
So it didn't seem like thebedrooms or anything were like
crashed into, but all the waydown the street all the cars
maybe federal credit union'sgonna be out there.
They're already out therebecause jet fuel spilled loud
like a mile of road and so therewas like more than a dozen cars
that just got blasted and therewas nothing you know they're
(35:43):
ashes, so yeah, so this isanother situation too.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
where are there more air wrecks right now?
Or is this just something whereI've been paying attention more
, you know, because, like withthe all the cuts at the FAA and
all the kind of chaos that theTrump administration is causing
there, are there more accidentsnow, or is this just kind of
normal pace?
Speaker 1 (36:10):
So about three weeks ago I saw a news story that said
are there really more airaccidents right now or is this
just something media reporting?
And it said no, there's notreally any more right now.
There's just a little moreemphasis because of the other
stuff that's going on at the FAA.
But that was three weeks ago.
Here's one of those moreairplane crashes and helicopter
crashes and close calls anddiversions and outages.
So I don't know if that storyholds up.
Now you can't go two dayswithout hearing about something
(36:36):
getting grounded, somethinggetting turned off, something
getting a near miss, thingsgetting diverted, Like I mean,
maybe the media is just tuned in, but gee stop, it's like the
news break thing.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
You can just kind of give us a once a week update.
You know, because I got to fly,it worked on me.
I have a couple cross countrytrips planned this summer.
So yeah, I'm not going to messwith air I couldn't mess with
airports the last couple yearsanyways just because it seems
like everybody's in their ownlittle selfish world, kind of
bumping into you, I was like,yeah, I'd just rather drive in
my own little selfish world andhave my own music.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Good for you, man.
I don't like flying, but I alsocan't do long, long car rides.
They bother me more than flying.
Wish me luck.
Come flying next week.
I'll be flying to DC and back.
Hopefully all the air trafficworks.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Hopefully We'll tune in next week.
We'll see if Dick makes it back.
Thanks for joining us everyone.
This is Left Face.
I'm Adam Giller, Dick Wilkinson.
Thanks for tuning in.
Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of
Left Face, the Pikes Peak RegionVeterans Podcast about
political views and personaltopics.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
That was good.
Yay, that wasn't bad.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Yeah, I'm your co-host, dick Wilkinson, and I'm
joined, as always, with myfriend Adam Gillard.
Hey, dick, how you doing?
I'm doing great.
We are now going to try andoutdo each other with peas in
the intro, and you know it'll befun for the listeners.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
It's like an Easter egg.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
You get to count the peas.
There's other jokes there.
Reminds you of those days ofthe drug test mornings back in
the military.
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yeah, the greatest days is like you become an E5
and you realize you have to dothat.
You're like oh, it's not whatit ought to be, it's all cracked
up to be.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I have to get here before everybody else and then I
have to watch everybody elseand then I have to stay when
it's over.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah, no fun.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Well, I'm sure a lot of our listeners can reminisce
about that.
It was a guaranteed experiencein the military that you'd have
those early morning calls and,as we talked about recently,
some folks on Fort Carsonprobably had some of those.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
No kidding, there's probably some different rounds.
One thing I learned is thatthey don't test everyone right.
They dump them all into a batchand then they test the batch
and then if that batch test pops, then they dive into the people
on there.
So if you get called back in,you're in a bad batch.
So yeah, it's a crazy systemthat they got there, but I'm
(01:27):
sure they're getting some newfolks.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
While we're on our sidetrack, you know I was never
in a unit where some big youknow fraud, waste and abuse type
story broke or anything thathit the front headlines of
military times or anything likethat.
But I did get, you know, I gotto witness one of those things
that you might hear about in oneof your annual trainings, right
when they're like, hey, if youever see this happen, something
might be up, right.
Well, I did get to see one ofthose.
There was a guy that was theNCO in charge of the urinalysis
program for the unit, and wewere overseas and so there was a
(02:06):
little bit more paperwork toship it to our, like, parent
unit wherever we were at.
But we weren't, um, we weren'tallowed to not do it right
there's some places where youdon't have to do it because just
logistically you can't right.
So we had like four batches in arow get flagged and like thrown
out because the paperwork, thehandling of everything was not
(02:29):
done properly.
Right.
And it's all in the chain ofcustody, and the just signatures
, and is everybody trained andall that stuff?
Right, yeah, there'sdeficiencies every time.
And so all all these just gotthrown out, you know.
And so there was aninvestigation.
Yeah, um, and dude was leavingright about that time, right,
and I mean he was just alreadyon orders and it was just time
for him to go right, and he hadjust gotten promoted and was now
(02:52):
wearing e7 and was on the wayout the door of the unit, okay,
and that was kind of the end ofit is.
They were just like, well, he'sgonna go on and be a great guy
somewhere else, and like I don'tknow who ran the investigation,
but that was it that was it, hejust left you know so like okay
, well, at least I guess youknow from the unit's perspective
, if it was him not, that youwould want to pass this problem
(03:14):
on to somebody else.
But we, our next batch is goingto make it through.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, problem solved you know, yeah, whether he was
being nefarious or just bad athis job, whatever yeah, a lot of
times in the military like itjust becomes someone else's
problems, because everybody'sjumping in like two years so
they're like, yeah, it'ssomebody else's problem yeah, I
got six others, yeah rightexactly so.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Yep, that was that for sure.
Well, thanks, thanks forfollowing that with us everybody
.
Um, we'll get back to the storyhere, our usual weekly update.
We have the Kilmar accountToday.
We did the math, we asked chatGPT and it told us because we're
not in our normal office today.
So we're at 73 days 72 dayssince he was taken from his home
(03:59):
.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
And silence crickets.
The administration said we'renot going to get him, he's never
going to spend another nighthere, and it's true and
everybody's just kind of coolwith it at this point.
It's crazy because we have 86or 46.
I can't remember the numberthat we have missing right now
because some have been accountedfor and things like that.
But here locally, from that 104that we're missing, I believe
(04:20):
it's still 86 are unaccountedfor, that were missing.
I believe it's still 86 areunaccounted for Because people
come on and say these folks hadwarrants, these folks are
eligible for deportation, like12 of them or something like
that, were eligible fordeportation.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
So they were identified and this agency has
control.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah, like this was a bad person.
Let's deport them, get them outof here, whatever.
And then this other 80 plus isjust gone.
And I keep reaching out toelected officials offices and
they keep saying well, familymembers need to go to this
government website and fill outinformation on the person.
Yeah, and then we'll reach backout and contact you.
(04:58):
And you're telling these peopleto go to a government website
and fill it out after thegovernment has just kidnapped
their loved ones.
To go to a government websiteand fill it out after the
government has just kidnappedtheir loved ones.
So even if that kid say I'm a20-year-old kid, I'm the anchor
baby right.
So both my parents are illegal.
If I got snatched up at thattime, my parents aren't going to
(05:20):
be coming to like— Not in thisgovernment.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
No, absolutely not.
They would have been hesitantanyway.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Right, but that's a guaranteed door knock right
there, exactly, yeah and so.
And the person that gotsnatched doesn't want their
parents getting snatched up.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
No, so yeah, they're not, they're not gonna be like
hey, mom, help me out right,like they'll be like hey I'm not
calling mom I don't wantanybody to know.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
you know who I'm talking to People are accepting
that people are disappearing andit's sad that the community has
to deal with this and live infear.
There are so many still shadyvehicles.
I'm part of the responsenetwork.
There's a lot of shady vehiclesout there just waiting for
people and there's a lot of.
There's just a lot of likecooperation between our local
(06:07):
law enforcement just cedingtheir rights to serve and
protect us to the federalgovernment when they're just
letting ICE come along forroutine warrant serves and
things like that.
It's so out of hand, so farpast.
I said it earlier, we're juststreaking past red lines like
lines in the sand, like we, weshould have stopped it at this
(06:27):
point, this point, this point,this point.
I mean that going back to likethe 2016, election when he was
like making fun of likehandicapped people, like, yeah,
we should have said thisprobably isn't the person.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
The amount of tolerance and you know, um, just
not even.
I don't even say second, secondchances, because that's not a.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Thing.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Just tolerance and grace given towards somebody
that doesn't want it.
They're going to do what theywant to do.
Whether you forgive them forbeing a difficult person or not,
For me the trouble I hearwithin this story is the answer
is a bureaucratic answer, andthe process of engage with this
website.
(07:05):
I'm not trying to say anybody'sspecifically trying to punt and
like, not solve the problem,but if they're trying to
basically say this is the rightchannel to follow and that's
maybe the only channel to followother than just showing up at a
police station or somethinglike that, Um, that's kind of
sad, you know, like, hey, weunderstand that this route is
(07:26):
broken and if that's the stonewall, then that's the stone wall
.
And political affiliation aside, if the answer from the
government is basically engagewith this bureaucracy and if you
can't do that, then we can'thelp you, that's not what we
should expect from thegovernment and definitely not
the judicial.
Law and order, that's not lawand order.
No, that's not what we shouldexpect from you know, the
government, and definitely notthe judicial.
Like law and order, that's notlaw and order, no, it's law.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah and then no order.
You know like they're doing agreat job of exercising, you
know their authority, but youknow we have a whole series on
NBC about this law and order,yeah Right, plenty of case law.
It's like it's a two-partprocess.
Sure, you know they really needto get back to this due process
because you know right nowthey're suspending the Fifth
(08:10):
Amendment.
You know, and Did you see?
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Christie.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
I was just about to sidetrack there too.
You must have saw my eyes whenyou said amendment and I was
like, I know, yeah, habeascorpus, habeas corpus.
And I was like, no, whatever,habeas corpus, habeas corpus.
It does not mean that thepresident can deport whoever the
hell he wants.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
That's pretty common.
She said it means the executivecan exercise his right to get
rid of dangerous people.
Yeah, no, that's not it.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
And what blows my mind is she's a politician her
whole life, so she's probablybeen in law.
It's just such a a gross ummisinformation campaign like she
knows she, she knows what thatmeans right yeah, and she's
trying to.
She's trying to serve thatnarrative because people will
(08:57):
get that and that's it.
Um, yeah, yeah, that was just Ican't remember where we were
talking before that, but we hada couple conversations about
that this week where actually Iremember now.
So right now we're suspendingthe Fifth Amendment, saying that
it's illegal, since they camehere illegally.
(09:18):
As soon as they're hereillegally, they're criminals.
Once you suspend one amendment,it's pretty easy to suspend
others.
Yeah, you know they're.
They could easily roll back.
Second amendment rights.
And and then where do we stand?
like when that red line happens,like what do you guys do that
(09:40):
right?
Um, so just allowing this.
And it always frustrated me theargument about the slippery
slope.
Like you know, you allow gaypeople to get married pretty
soon.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
They're sleeping with dogs, you know it's a slippery
slope, sure, sure but then nowwe're.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
We are like skiing down this black diamond slope
and they're not even trying tohit the brakes and like nobody's
wearing a helmet.
Yeah, yeah, you know, we are onthe slope, man, we are falling.
Uh, where are people to standup to this?
Um, it has to come from peopleon the right, because right now,
the left is so demonized and so, like, ostracized when it comes
(10:16):
to anything, uh, that we can'tget.
We can't get anything done well, you know what?
Speaker 1 (10:22):
uh, let let's use a very current event.
It's not even a done deal yet.
The Big Beautiful Bill and Idon't want to talk about that
too much I haven't watched, I'vekind of ignored some of the
news on it a little bit.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
I'm kind of letting it boil over until I go look at
it, but the thing that I'msurprised by I shouldn't, I
shouldn't, excuse me, surpriseis not the right word the thing
that I heard and I said ohreally, was it?
Increases spending?
Right, and so Democrats thesame people who say that you're
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worried about slippery slope insocial narratives Right.
They also will jump up and downand call Democrats, tax and
spend Democrats, right.
And I mean it's not wrong,right.
Like there's some aspects wheregovernment, social services,
that democratic politician comesup with a new tax to pay for
the thing that they believe thecommunity needs.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
That does happen, yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Um, republicans have to do that at sometimes too, to
get things done.
Right, you know they do.
But the but an administrationthat's meant to be hearkening
back to the days of conservatisma la Ronald Reagan, is putting
forward a trillion dollarspending increase.
I'm not talking about the DODbudget, I'm just saying the
overall budget.
Right.
Trillion dollar deficitincrease per year, more money to
(11:41):
be going out than what could becoming in, with tax cuts built
into this.
Trillion dollars, yeah, yeah,how Okay.
So we're tax and spend.
You're what?
And spend, what are you doing?
You spend and spend.
Is that it?
Speaker 2 (11:56):
What do you call that .
I've been to CongressmanCrank's office a few times now
and every time that, whoeverthey're arguing with or talking
with, we don't get intoarguments, just talk with them.
But whoever they're talkingwith, did they always bring up
the $34.6 trillion in debt?
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Well, how do you want us to?
Speaker 2 (12:16):
take care of this.
That is their talking point.
It's like we're taking care ofthis but, like you just said,
you're increasing it whileremoving all of the social
safety nets that people rely onfor when things go bad.
So all the stuff that you aresaving money on, you're just
passing that buck on to thepeople.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
You're destabilizing the economic base that pays
those taxes in the first place.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah, yeah, so folks are going to be getting kicked
off their insurance.
Yeah, I think it was like 13.7million people are going to be
kicked off their insurancewithout being able to shop from
the exchange.
Yeah, so now they have to gosomewhere else and be at the
whim of the insurance companiesagain.
And that's just day one, likeyou said, waiting for some of
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these things to kind of come tofruition, because this was
another late-night bill.
That again, republicans whineand cry all the time about these
late-night bills.
I think the Affordable Care Actwas a late night bill.
That again, republicans whineand cry all the time about these
late night bills.
That I think the affordablecare act was a late night bill
too.
Okay, and everybody was, youknow, crying oh, they did that
late night behind closed doors.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Yeah, and here we are , like dude doing the same
hypocrisy, it just never stopsnow I I mean uh, now I mean, hmm
, the House not everybody on theRepublican ticket in the House
voted yes and they actually hadenough dissenters that they
didn't get it by purely onRepublican votes.
(13:44):
Right, there were someDemocrats that actually voted
for it.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
I don't think so.
I thought there was two naysonly on the Republican side.
Well then they know where theirbubble is.
Yeah, it was like 215 to 214.
I didn't.
Was two nays only on theRepublican side.
Well then they know where theirbubble is.
Yeah, it was like 215 to 214.
I didn't know they played thebubble on this one.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
I thought there was a little bit of shifting there.
I didn't know what thosenumbers were, but the Senate now
there, seems to be a little bitmore pushback, and so that's
what I was saying in thebeginning.
It's a current event that's notdone yet.
Beginning it's not.
It's a current event that's notdone yet.
I don't know if we're going tosee senators taking a grandstand
approach, if we're going totake to see them take a true
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hard line fiscal approach, or ifthis is all just a show and you
know it doesn't matter andthey're going to vote for it
anyway yeah, um so far, likewith the confirmations and
things like that, where therewas really some candidates that
a lot of these senators justwere like oh my gosh, I can't
believe.
They're like, really, you wantme to vote for this person, but
they would.
Only they'd say that for twodays and then it was like in the
bag.
He didn't have to call them andtell them, you know, vote for
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them, they just made their onelittle remark and then two days
later they so the I.
That's totally possible thatthat's going to happen again
right now.
Um, I heard that I don't, Ican't you know, we can't verify
this, but that, basically, ifyou're a holdout on something
that Trump likes, he just callsyou on the phone and starts
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yelling at you oh really, yeah,and he's just like I'll ruin
puppet.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Master, you better dance or we're going to cut your
strings yeah which is likegrossly unconstitutional Correct
To put them on that kind oflever, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Yeah, you're not supposed to do that.
That's why you're in theexecutive branch right, that's
what the majority whip is for orthe minority whip is for.
Is you call that person and sayget it done.
And then if they have some youknow marbles to play in the game
like, oh, what's his name?
Oh, gosh, turtle guy, what'shis name?
Speaker 2 (15:40):
The senator McConnell Turtle guy, I got you.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
McConnell and, I think, lindsey Graham both have
had you know, I know McConnell'skind of checking out now but
they had the strings, the pursestrings on all the money for all
the senator you know senatorialcampaigns.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Yeah, they were the super PAC leaders.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Yeah you had to get into the alliance, right, and so
that guy could basically tellyou I know how you're voting on
this.
I'm going to remember when youcome back.
I'm going to remember and Iknow we got six years and that
feels like a long time, but I'vebeen here for a minute.
He's leaving now, but that'swhat that person's there for is
to do that bidding.
They do it based on what theybelieve they can achieve in
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their role different from theexecutive.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
When we talked to Representative Crank's office
this week we had a secondmeeting where we're trying to
work towards a relationship andhave some like um influencer
like conversations with them tohopefully get a veteran's
perspective in there.
Um, but you know, when we'retalking with him I I
specifically talking about thebudget bill and coming up.
(16:45):
We didn't think it would go tovote that quickly or last night,
but uh, or the night before Ican't remember yeah, um.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
But I told him, beautiful it lasted, yeah, right
.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
I told him you know we need crank to start
dissenting on things If we haveany hope of keeping space
command here.
You know, with, with.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Oh, as a lever.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah, the only leverage that he has to do
anything, or our entire, becausethey keep telling us our entire
Colorado delegation is this isour number one priority.
Well then, stop voting yesevery time.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Yeah, yeah, you got to step out of the party line
for a second and raise your handand say we need to pay
attention to this.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Yeah, let's have a conversation about here real
quick, waiting for that tohappen.
The person we spoke to saidthat Congressman Crank has a
meeting scheduled sometime withthe Speaker and moving up and
things like that to hopefullykeep those conversations rolling
about keeping it here, but hisvote tells me that he doesn't.
(17:47):
We know that Trump doesn't givea shit about us.
He's already threatened everyblue state out there, sure, and
so now we're a deep red spotinside of a blue spot and he's
going to give up all of hispower by just saying yes to him
all the time.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Yeah, absolutely.
And I mean I'm looking to theSenate because Tommy Tuberville
is the draw in Alabama to youknow he's the voice that saying
this that we want it, and he,you know he's the voice that's
saying this that we want it, andhe's the squeaky wheel in the
you know the overall, I guess,political argument right.
And so if you look to oursenators, I'm not, you know,
upset with them one way or theother but, they're democrats and
so they don't have this way todo anything about.
(18:22):
You know his, his request or hisfavor, or whatever it is like
they don't have much way toaffect his relationship with
trump well, and you know, withour senators.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
I've spoke with both of them like kind of briefly,
and both of them kind of told methey like to be in the middle
and just kind of be that youknow, moderate voice and like
okay, but that's not going toget anything done with these
folks in charge.
You know, like right now, ifyou, if you can't stand up and
like draw a hard line and say,no, we're this, you're just
going to get pushed over andlike just to like try to be
(18:55):
friendly with them and keepsaying yes to them and it's just
, it's not going to work.
Like this is why people don'tlike respect Democrats just in
general.
It's because they're so easy topush over and, like you know,
people got stolen from yourcommunity.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
And your answer?
Speaker 2 (19:12):
yeah, your answer is well, fill out a website.
No, the answer is you go standin that office until you get
some answers Like you can dothat.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
I hear the mayor of Newark is up for a squabble.
You know, let's get him outhere.
He can teach them how Throwdown.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
And then the representative from that area
got arrested too.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Yeah, so that's what I'm saying we need a delegation.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
And Trump said, like you know, that type of stuff
isn't going to go on anymore.
And she wasn't doing anythingcrazy.
She was standing there likedoing her job yeah, you know,
making demands for, you know,her constituents.
And yeah, he's saying thatanybody that dissents like that
is going to be crushed.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
And so now, like you know, with, we've had people you
know sit in on the floor ofCongress and get arrested for
doing that, you know.
And they were, you know,elected officials.
So I'm not saying there's atradition.
I'm not fond of this tradition.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
But there is a tradition of, as you had
mentioned before, politicalofficials, you know, getting
their little civil disobedienceslap on the wrist at some
jurisdiction that they don'tlive in, right?
Speaker 1 (20:22):
But to have the president piggyback on and be
just his vitriol self.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
It's just disgusting To have him represent America.
It's just disgusting.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
It just frustrates me to no end, yeah yeah, like it
just frustrates me, to no end,yeah yeah.
And the you know idea that theywant to get rid of bureaucracy,
but yet they use bureaucracy tocreate the stonewall and you
know, get rid of transparencywhen it works for them.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Right.
Well, I was just having thisconversation, if you want people
to keep their jobs.
Well they're bureaucrats right,you want people to obfuscate
stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
We have some job openings.
You, you know, that's what's up.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
I mean we're laughing , but that's yeah, that's what's
up.
You know, I had thisconversation with somebody
yesterday too about how theright has they've had such a
long-term plan to use democracyto attack the republic.
You know, even if you look atpresident trump's election,
where he didn't even win 50 ofthe vote, and now they're using
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that to consolidate power behindthe executive branch, when you
know it wasn't the mandate thatthat they talk about, um, but
they did it through grassrootsdemocracy, starting at, like,
the school boards, thesuperintendents, uh, city
council, and building that baseof dedicated voters and just
(21:34):
voting in the minority, a loudminority of folks and all these
little small ones, and it'sbuilt up.
So now it's hard to go againstit because they just changed the
laws so that what they're doingis legal, so that they can
sleep easy at night, but it'snot ethical.
So now the republic's beingattacked with democracy.
(21:58):
How do you combat that?
Speaker 1 (22:02):
I feel like I heard.
When I sit around with myrepublican friends, I hear them
say sometimes the same thing,where they're like, man, I can't
believe it, you know.
And then they'll go off onsomething that they think is,
you know, liberal madness, right, and then they'll say that
basically, it's mob rule.
It's mob rule, man, you know.
(22:23):
And it's like, yeah, democracyis mob rule.
We're going to just putdefinitions out there, you know.
And so, yes, if there you getenough, concentrate enough
people and get them heavy, youknow, heavy handed with
something, and either side cando it.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
So yeah, that happens .
That's a funny comment to makeabout you know people on the
other side because, again,talking in Crank's office, this
week his representative said acouple of times like you know,
know the other side thought ifharris won, that democracy would
have fallen too, you know, andlike I don't understand, that
yeah, because you know,providing health care and
(23:03):
infrastructure for people doesnot kill democracy um like there
are people that believe thatthere is.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
We're one breath away from communism, right, and I
think that might be a little bitOf the type of mindset that
he's talking about.
You know, is that you get aCalifornia liberal in the White
House and we're one step awayfrom communism, and that's like
how a wonder twin powersactivate and next thing, you
know, there's no constitutionanymore, but but we've had.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
You know, I don't, I don't know we've had democrats
and they've never attacked thecapital on the way out, sure?
yeah you know, and I told them,I agree like they've never
attacked the capital on the wayout and they've never like
deliberately said I make thelaws or I interpret the laws,
which is straight up thejudicial branch, and I control
the purse, like those are, likehe has already done this, so
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it's a direct attack on it.
And so like when people makethat correlation it's just like
a straw man argument, like oh,you guys have too, but those
arguments over there they don'thold weight because they're like
the actions to destroy ourrepublic were never taken.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
The evidence isn't there, right.
The belief is there, yeah.
The evidence is there, yeah,but it's a standard conservative
tactic but politics is verymuch about belief, right, and
then culture wars is even moreabout belief, right and so
that's the.
You're talking about the basethat he's representing, that's
the culture war base.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yeah, and culture wars, wars again.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
these are just problems that they make up and
once they're empowered, they saythey solved it and it was never
a problem in the first place.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yeah, yeah, so solved it, by which, I guess just
means we're going to stoptalking about it now right,
exactly like you haven't heardanything about like transgender
stuff really recently, rightlike, but last year that's why
people bought it, because theythought everybody was going to
get like a punch card for sexchanges.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Yeah, you know it's ridiculous what they it because
they thought everybody was goingto get a punch card for sex
changes.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Yeah, it's ridiculous what they were sold and they're
like oh, everybody's going togo.
No man, it was never theproblem that you guys made it
out to be.
Yeah, people are just trying tolive and be happy and not be
attacked.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Well, and you're right.
I mean it was almost alwayssingle-digit numbers in any
given state, in any given likeschool system or whatever.
It was never uh, this huge, uhthe.
It was easy to make the storyseem like.
Uh, if we concentrate on thistopic and we scoop up all the
stories from all over thecountry, it seems like there's a
lot happening, right.
(25:23):
But then if you really blowthat out and you're like there's
like a million schools inamerica, what are you talking?
Speaker 2 (25:28):
about, yeah, you know , when I was doing the election.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
There's a hundred people and there's a million
students.
I don't think that's astatistically significant,
something that we need to printbanners about.
You know what I'm saying Markeddowntown about.
Is that required?
Do we have to go rally at thestadium to make sure everybody
knows how much we hate people?
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Yeah, so I was doing the election stuff last year and
one of the people theRepublican on the board she gave
me Newsbreak.
It's an app that kind ofconsolidates it.
It puts it all together for youand I noticed that once I
started seeing it, it definitelyknew it, but you'd start to see
all the bad things happening.
(26:11):
So even here in ColoradoSprings, you'd see everything,
like every accident, everyaccident, and it's like I don't
need to know all these thingsgoing on because it's not
affecting me right now.
Yes, it sucks and it'snewsworthy stuff, but to get
bombarded with it, with thesenews breaks every couple minutes
, 30 minutes, whatever, this ishappening over here.
This is happening over here.
(26:32):
This happened like no man, wedon't need to know all that, but
like just focus on your day,take care of your stuff and like
go forward um, yeah, to getthat that much inundated and
like blasted with news all thetime, it melts your brain, man,
it's crazy now.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
I have, um, kids that are teenagers right now, so
they're in the school-agegeneration of people who could
be affected by something like atransgender athlete or a whole
bunch of other policies that arehappening at the federal level,
like education and, like yousaid, school board things, all
that stuff.
So I have family, my kids, thatare involved with that and I
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get exposure is the point of thestory.
It's not just with my own kids,but with being around their
friends or hearing about what'sgoing on at their school or with
their friends.
Personally, I get a lot ofexposure right and I think the
sentiment around fairness andtransgender athletes it is not
(27:34):
an open and shut case with kidsbetween the ages of 13 and 18
years old.
There is an extremely diverseset of viewpoints out there
surprised that at how it what.
It's not hard to find somebodywho's like oh yeah, that you
know.
I'm really glad these thingsare changing and I never would
have said anything but now thatthey are changing.
(27:55):
I was not ever comfortable withthat easy to find that kid,
yeah.
And then there's you know totalflip side to that there's.
There's totally easy to find awhole group of kids that are
like, yeah, we're gonna go, youknow, protest over this, right,
yeah.
And so the passion is there andthe kind of breadth of
viewpoints is there Topic.
You know, if it wasn't abouttransgender topic aside the fact
(28:16):
that I feel like there's abreadth of interest in the, in
that age group, around even whatare fairly political topics I'm
encouraged by that.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
I'm encouraged by that?
I am too, because you know,when we were growing up, you
know 80s, 90s, kids, any kind oflike different thought, like
any kind of femininity for a guylike you, just got the crap
kicked out of you, sure.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
You know, so like.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Herd mentality.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
And so, like people didn't really, you know, try to
think outside the box, you justkind of, you know, toughened up
and toughened up and went aboutyour business.
So for people to be able tohave the capability and just the
space to explore, kind of, whothey are and find happiness
through other ways than justbeing a grunt running through
walls, good for them, yes, andthe fact that they can sit there
(29:06):
and talk about it and have aconversation.
And it's okay that some folksdon't understand it, but, like I
said, it wasn't allowed to beeven thought about 30, 40 years
ago.
So the fact that we're havingthe conversations now is always
going to be positive, as long aswhen people go into it, they
listen to each other.
Don't go and say everything'sone way or the other.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Listen to where they're coming from so that you
can meet them and I don't knowhow well the kids that I'm
talking about are able to listento counter viewpoints.
I can't speak too well to thatskill because they are teenagers
but I hear different viewpointsin similar kids, you know, and
so that that point you know Ican make, but I will.
I couldn't tell you for sure howthat clash might happen if two
(29:51):
counter viewpoints of you know acouple of 15, 16 year olds, I
don't know.
Yeah.
Yeah, a little sidebar, the oneabout the thing a few months
back about asking a woman ifthey would rather be left alone
in the woods with a man or abear, Right you know wow, that
was a yeah stimulatingconversation with my kids, man,
(30:15):
because I have a daughter and ason.
That are both teenagers, and so,of course, they just got pulled
into the whole TikTok craze orwhatever, and then they were
both had, you know real lifeconversations.
Everybody at school was just.
That's all they talked about,for a week.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
you know was that topic.
It's crazy how like somethinglike that can have like a pretty
big social impact, you know,and just get the conversations
rolling like a pretty big socialimpact, right, you know, just
get the conversations rolling,yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
And it exposed, you know how are.
Are young women really afraidof men, or just young men, or
whatever?
You know what's their viewpointon that?
Oh well, if it was a boy my age, I might not be afraid of him,
but if it was a 30 year old man,I'd be freaked out.
Okay, sure, that makes a littlemore sense, you know.
But hey, this is a chance foryou to describe that, instead of
just saying I'm afraid of men,you know, yeah, you know you
could talk about where yourtrust lies.
You know things like that andboys get to hear that, right,
(31:03):
and it's a question that a boymight not ever ask, you know.
So I think it was a good eyeopener for both sides.
But, um, then of course, therewere people that were just uh,
sensational to be difficult, youknow, and I would have been
that, I would have been thetroll.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Real life trouble, walking around with a bear suit,
difficult you know, and I wouldhave been that I would have
been the troll.
I would have been a real lifetroll walking around in a bear
suit at school you know, likebrr you know you chose me I
would have showed up with a bearhat or something For sure.
Yeah, the other thing we wantedto kind of hit real quick was
talking about V-Day coming up.
6 June, down in Memorial Park,we're going to have an event
(31:37):
where we're just going to havesome veterans kind of come
forward and tell their storiesand talk about serving with an
oath and what it means to serveunder oath.
We should have a pretty goodturnout there.
We're going to have people inthe back helping people make
signs because we have anotherbig protest on the 14th for no
Kings Day in the back helpingpeople make signs because we
(31:57):
have another big protest on the14th for no Kings Day.
So, you know, we'll startgetting signs prepped and, you
know, hopefully get some martialtraining, things like that.
But celebrating D-Day and thisis a, you know, memorial Day
weekend here it's somethingreally special for all of us
veterans.
So in order for us to, you know, kind of, you know, get out
into the community, we need tohave these moments where we
(32:20):
collaborate as veterans and cometogether as veterans and just
kind of tell our stories and letpeople know that we are here in
the community and we're here toserve still, so it should be a
really special day.
I hope everybody comes out.
Dick's going to be one of ourspeakers, so I'm really excited
to hear him.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
I know, you've got a lot, uh, a good track record of
speaking, you know through yourdays here going back to debate
in high school, so I'm prettyexcited to hear you kind of have
10 minutes of just yeah, justoh.
Now I gotta bring somethingspecial.
Got to get my keynote chowedout.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Yeah, there you go.
Yeah, it should be a pretty funday, though.
Down in Memorial Park Pavilionsit's near the Veterans Memorial
, that's down there.
If anybody hasn't been down tothe Veterans Memorial, it's
pretty cool.
It's under some construction,some repairs right now, but it's
still a pretty moving place.
(33:15):
We're not doing it right onthere just because I don't want
to have thousands of peopletrampling over the memorial
there, but real close, right bythe lake down there.
So, yeah, I hope people comeout.
We're going to have PurpleHeart recipients talking, gold
Star recipient speaking, somelocal leaders, spouses, because
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I always valued the spouse'sopinion, because, especially now
when we're talking aboutserving during D-Day, when they
went out to serve, spouses backhome knew that their folks were
doing something.
Just they knew that they weregoing to fight bad people.
Now folks are leaving home,they're leaving their spouses
behind and the cause isn't asjust because they're going down
(34:02):
to a border and, you know,possibly interact with americans
, you know, and it's just whenthey're taking people and
they're, you know, executingthat law and we know there's
going to be no order behind it.
we know there's going to be noorder behind it we know there's
going to be no justice and sogetting some spouses speaking
too, it's going to be a powerfulnight, so I really look forward
(34:27):
to it and I hope everybody cancome out.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Yeah yeah, thanks for putting that together, Adam,
and thanks for inviting me tospeak.
I look forward to it for sure.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yeah, what else we got for today?
Speaker 1 (34:37):
I think we've done.
Oh, last little wrap up there.
Our thoughts go out to thecommunity, military community.
Out in San Diego Yesterdaymorning a small jet crashed.
There was eight passengers onboard I believe.
There was fatalities associatedwith those passengers, I don't
know if anyone survived and thenit crashed into a military
housing area in some Navy, somenavy housing, I believe.
(34:59):
That's in out there in sandiego.
Uh, it wasn't really close tothe water, it was over somewhere
else, but you know there'shousing units kind of plugged in
different parts of town.
So, uh, yeah, they crashed intoa military base and, um,
everyone was evacuated.
As far as I know, there werenot any injuries to any military
members on the ground.
Yeah, so, but I saw a picture ofit today and, yeah, the plane,
just you know, crashed fullyinto probably a duplex style
(35:20):
house on base and once, I youknow, it crashed into the garage
and crashed into the housingpark.
So it didn't seem like thebedrooms or anything were like
crashed into, but all the waydown the street all the cars
maybe federal credit union'sgonna be out there.
They're already out therebecause jet fuel spilled loud
like a mile of road and so therewas like more than a dozen cars
that just got blasted and therewas nothing you know they're
(35:43):
ashes, so yeah, so this isanother situation too.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
where are there more air wrecks right now?
Or is this just something whereI've been paying attention more
, you know, because, like withthe all the cuts at the FAA and
all the kind of chaos that theTrump administration is causing
there, are there more accidentsnow, or is this just kind of
normal pace?
Speaker 1 (36:10):
So about three weeks ago I saw a news story that said
are there really more airaccidents right now or is this
just something media reporting?
And it said no, there's notreally any more right now.
There's just a little moreemphasis because of the other
stuff that's going on at the FAA.
But that was three weeks ago.
Here's one of those moreairplane crashes and helicopter
crashes and close calls anddiversions and outages.
So I don't know if that storyholds up.
Now you can't go two dayswithout hearing about something
(36:36):
getting grounded, somethinggetting turned off, something
getting a near miss, thingsgetting diverted, Like I mean,
maybe the media is just tuned in, but gee stop, it's like the
news break thing.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
You can just kind of give us a once a week update.
You know, because I got to fly,it worked on me.
I have a couple cross countrytrips planned this summer.
So yeah, I'm not going to messwith air I couldn't mess with
airports the last couple yearsanyways just because it seems
like everybody's in their ownlittle selfish world, kind of
bumping into you, I was like,yeah, I'd just rather drive in
my own little selfish world andhave my own music.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Good for you, man.
I don't like flying, but I alsocan't do long, long car rides.
They bother me more than flying.
Wish me luck.
Come flying next week.
I'll be flying to DC and back.
Hopefully all the air trafficworks.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Hopefully We'll tune in next week.
We'll see if Dick makes it back.
Thanks for joining us everyone.
This is Left Face.
I'm Adam Giller, Dick Wilkinson.
Thanks for tuning in.
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