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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of
Left Face.
This is the Pikes Peak Regionpolitical podcast through a
veteran's point of view.
I am your co-host, dickWilkinson, and I'm joined this
morning with Adam Gillard.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I just love the alliterations, man.
It just cracks me up.
When you can get through it, itjust flows.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
That one came out right, that one, yeah, no
problems.
How are you doing today?
I'm doing good, and you knowthat's totally freestyle.
Every time we do that, just soeverybody knows.
It's not like we don't have ascript for that, and so
sometimes it's consistent and alot of times it's just whatever
word salad comes out in themoment, and of course we also
have a countdown.
So it's, I'm a.
I don't have a problem withpublic speaking at all, but I'm
in control of the of theenvironment when I go on stage,
(00:38):
right, but when the countdowntimer starts it almost.
Countdown timer starts italmost.
It's almost like I don't know,like they're gonna throw you on
stage or something, but whatever, it's just me and adam, so
there's nothing to be worriedabout.
But thanks everybody forputting up with our uh, you know
extra peas that we throw inthere sometimes.
So shenanigans, yeah.
So, uh, we want to start today.
First, I want to recognize adam,uh, before he shares some
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information about an event herecently attended.
Um, but, for our listeners, youmay you're probably not aware,
but there's a large nationalorganization called the Veterans
Action Committee and they'respecifically or maybe the
Veterans Action Council, I can'tremember, but they're
specifically focused onprogressing cannabis rights
throughout the United States andit's, you know, veterans and
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family members of veterans thatwant to move cannabis forward
for everybody, not just forveterans.
They actually have involvementeven in international situations
where cannabis is talked aboutat the UN and different things
like that, so they have a reallya big reach, been around and
established for a long time.
I was a slightly active membera few years back and I recently
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got an email that wanted tonominate people that had been
veterans moving forward thecause of cannabis, and so I
nominated Adam for his courtcase that he won here this year
in Colorado Springs as asignificant contribution to the
movement, and he was acceptedand added to the list.
So congratulations, adam.
You're now a nationallyrecognized contributor to the
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cannabis movement.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
I have somebody that will make me a pin for that.
I'll wear that pin proudly.
That is really cool man.
Thank you so much for doingthat.
It's definitely something thatboth of us, since we've gotten
out, we've kind of fought forbecause we see the benefits and
how it can help people.
We know some of the strugglesthat all of our vets are going
through, and pushing alcohol onpeople is not the solution or,
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you know, it's their parachuteright now.
But you know, having access tocannabis helps a lot of us,
untie a lot of our knots andit's a big deal for us to just
be treated like adults and beable to have that option.
Yeah, so thank you for doingthat.
I'm glad that we can keep kindof pushing it forward, because
city council here is stillprobably going to try and fight
us on this.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Could be yeah.
So yeah, you're quite welcomeand thank you for what you did
this year to help the folks outhere in Colorado Springs.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I really just mouthed off and got to put my name on a
piece of paper.
Yeah, so it worked.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
You know it's right place, right time.
But really what it is, it's aculmination of all the other
efforts, right?
It's all the other time thatyou spent in conversation with
the responsible rec team, withthe different distributors
around here that not just have afinancial interest but had a
genuine community interest aswell.
So that's how you got involvedand that's the culmination of
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all that effort.
So, yeah, I appreciate it.
Yeah, so Adam attended an eventover this last weekend.
It was a Democratic kind ofsatellite convention type event,
right?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yeah, just kind of a big thing.
It was called Dem West over onthe Western Slope right in
Glenwood Springs, which I'venever been to, but the drive was
beautiful and I definitely needto get out there.
But it's a way for theDemocratic Party to say hey,
folks on the Western Slope,we're still here, come on out,
see your neighbors Talk, let'shave a good conversation, have
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some good fun.
So I was there with theColorado Democratic Veterans
Council.
Yeah, whatever that acronym is,that sounds right.
It's something new that me andDick we talked about it on here.
We stood up.
Um, it's something new that meand Dick we talked about it on
here, but we stood up and weactually just recently released
our first press releasecondemning the Trump
administration's attempts thatnot even allowing trans folks to
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get a partial retirement.
You know folks that have servedfrom 15 to 18 years that are
just being kicked out on a whim.
You know, just because, throughno fault of their own yeah,
through no fault of their ownthey're within regs they're
serving.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
You know just because— Through no fault of
their own, yeah, through nofault of their own they're
within regs.
They're serving, you know,honorably They've been honorably
serving this whole time.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Like everybody, still thanks them for their service
and this administration is justgoing to kick them out and throw
them to the curb with zerobenefits and it's absolute
garbage For a sweeping politicalmovement that you know the
military should be protectedfrom.
Right, yeah, and serving withfolks.
If anybody in the militarythinks that they've never served
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with a trans person, that meansthat they probably just weren't
comfortable coming up to you.
For sure, you know what I mean.
Everybody has served with atrans person and served
honorably with.
I can't think of anybody thatI've served with that has been.
You know that I didn't kick outfor a reason Right, exactly, but
just to say that it'sabsolutely ridiculous that we're
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putting this kind ofdiscrimination on people who
just want to serve their country.
It's clear that they wantpeople to serve a different
country right now, Like thisTrump administration.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah redefining culture and all different facets
of American life.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, the whole, you know woke is broke thing that he
still tweets about.
Sure, woke is about like,paying attention to the
government and making surethey're not coming for you.
Yeah, that's what the wokemovement is, and like the fact
that all these folks fly theirgats and flags and you know,
don't tread on me.
And now they're just bendingover and licking boots and
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treading on other people.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
And treading on other people.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
It just.
Oh, it gets me going man.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yeah, I'm in the I guess I'll call it a centrist
position around.
I can take this topic and splitit into two things for me
mentally, two things for me.
For me, mentally, it's a truestatement for me that you know,
the president or the secretaryof defense can, you know, change
the nature of what servicelooks like.
They can change the type offorces that we have and how many
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people we have, and we do thatin different situations.
This one's clearly politicaland cultural, which is why it
has that.
It has an ugly stink to it.
You know's there's.
It is um, taking a specifickind of hammer against people
who are just doing their jobright now.
Um, but at face value, thosetwo individuals have the have
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the legal right to execute apolicy like this.
The part that's upsetting isthe stripping of benefits,
stripping of the honorableservice, taking away just
basically the fact that they'vecontributed and saying not even
saying, thank you for yourservice, right?
I mean, that's the part thatfor me, if I say I'm splitting
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it apart.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I think there is a severance package, but not it's
an immediate, just cash payout.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
It's not lifelong benefits, which is what they
were working for, what waspromised, and it's a
discouragement of the promise.
That's what I'm most upsetabout.
Right, the policy can be legal,it can be upsetting to me and
still be legal, right.
And so there it is, but thediscouragement of that promise
that you gave to that servicemember, to that individual.
They signed up that we're goingto take care of you as you take
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care of us, for as long as youagree to do it.
You can't just rip that awayfrom somebody, take those
lifelong earned benefits away.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
And once they do it with those folks, they're going
to keep going.
But, like I mean, Pete Hegsethhas already promoted a pastor
that wants women out of themilitary.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
You know.
So what's the next step?
Speaker 1 (07:45):
They're just going to kick women out of the military,
because women are the problemnow, and take away their
benefits as well, becausethere's precedent for it.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah, that's a lot of what we're seeing in so many
different areas.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Is that little bit of I shouldn't say little bit
Serious line stepping, if youwill, but trying to redefine
boundaries, not find theboundaries?
They know where the boundariesare.
They're stepping over them onpurpose, not find the boundaries
they know where the boundariesare.
They're stepping over them onpurpose.
They're breaking thoseboundaries on purpose to try and
redefine them, to set precedent.
Right, I see that as a specificgoal of so many different
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things the ICE campaigns, right.
This military movement, right,there's so many different.
Going after specific businesses, going after specific, you know
, people within the judicialbranch, right, like that kind of
stuff.
It not, was not the purview ofthe executive in the past, but
they're pushing those boundariesto try and break those things
now.
And this is just again, justlike taking um Kilmar and saying
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what can we do to extort thisperson and how far can we take
it?
That's going to define ourprecedent.
Yeah, they're doing that withtrans folks by kicking them out
of the military and strippingthem of their, you know, duly
earned benefits.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
So yeah, and I just also want to point out that when
we talk military culture, youknow one in three women right
now suffer some form of likemilitary sexual trauma and the
harassment attacks you knowrapes One in three, and that's
not, you know, and I think it'sone in 50 men.
Okay, Um, so that's not thetrans community committing all
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those atrocities.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
No, you know what I?
Speaker 2 (09:15):
mean, Like the problem with you know, inside
the military comes with thatculture of just needing power.
Yeah, and I mean one in threewomen suffer this.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Yeah, it's outrageous , right, like if there was any
other similar occupationalhazard in some other job or some
other career field.
There'd be a huge you knowinvestigation and like what do
we need to do to stop this fromhappening?
You know that would be anoutrageous off the charts kind
of level of risk or harm for inany other setting.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
And you know if they try to turn the argument into.
You know well, that means womenshouldn't be there.
No, like I know Marines who gotsent home because they smashed
their arm in their Humvee,because they were getting raped
by their platoon every night.
Like it's a problem deeper thanjust, you know, women.
The problem is with the menfeeling that they can just take
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power over somebody like that.
Yeah, you know what I mean andit's, it's a line, cause you got
to train, train them to go dosome nasty things too, you know.
So like it's a it's a toughculture for anybody to be in but
to to discriminate againstfolks that are not part of the
victims are not.
yeah, they're victims, they'renot part of the problems in the
military.
(10:28):
You're just going to make it acesspool man, ooh that's true,
that is true.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
So man so back to Dem West.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah right.
There's a there's a sidetrackfor you, Dem West Well just
quickly mentioned.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
what we didn't really wrap up there is that the group
that we have recently has beenestablished right.
That was our first, basicallyofficial order of business was
issuing a public press releasesaying that veterans within
Colorado condemn the concept oftaking those benefits and rights
away from those service members, and that was picked up by a
press outlet, at least one.
And so you know, in politicsthat's what you do, right, you
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message, and so that's a messageI'm proud of Right, yeah, and
it was nice to have that onequickly under our belt.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Oh yeah, you know instead of just spinning our
tires.
See, you know where we can, youknow, kind of put aim at yeah,
you know we had something tofocus on pretty quickly.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Super squarely in the focus of what the group should
be about, right, you know, Imean dead center, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
And so you know we went out there.
We got to hear AG Weiser speak.
If anybody's ever got to hearhim, he's got a good energy,
like the energy changes when hestarts speaking in a room, which
is pretty good to hear becausewe have other politicians that
really drone on and kind ofreally put you down Like he has
really good energy.
So we got to hear him.
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A few other candidates, one ofthe candidates from here locally
, john Mickus.
He's running for statetreasurer.
That dude.
He is so on point with puttingin work and doing things.
I really hope he gets the statetreasurer ability.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Is that a this year election, like an off year type
thing?
No, it's a 26 year, so he stillhas a primary.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
And there's a few other candidates out there too,
but just knowing John, he putsin a lot of work.
Yeah, he's been great for that.
Yeah, so Dem West was out thereas a second year in a row.
He'll be back out there nextyear, hopefully with a bigger
list of accomplishments.
But it's good to see thatpeople are coming out and
supporting in these like redareas.
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You know we still had probablyclose to 100 folks or so there,
yeah, but you know it's good tosee folks on the Western Slope
having a place to go and talkand be around friends.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Good, that's great.
And yeah, in those rural andwhat's that word?
It's always hard to say.
In rural areas, um, I meanpolitics matters, right people
get uh insulated.
Uh, when you're in a rural Igrew up in, you know two very
small towns and in the countryand uh, you get insulated into
that bubble of whatever's goingon right there and so you know
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anything outside of your countyalmost a lot of times feels like
it's happening on anotherplanet.
Right, and so it's.
It's definitely hard to havejust day-to-day conversations
with folks in those settings.
They generally are less likelyto want to engage on political
topics a lot of times.
That's kind of what I heardgrowing up, or you know.
Also, the most common case isthey're extremely polarized in
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one camp or another and theyagain don't want to have any
kind of valid conversationbecause they're like meh, it's
my guy in charge right now, so Ican't bitch about USAID losing
all their money and buying mycrops.
Yeah, or they're not buying mycrops this year, so I'm not
going to make any money.
Or you know, everything floodedand nobody came to help.
You know, like whatever, don'ttalk to me about politics.
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Yeah, exactly, that's one of mybiggest complaints.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
You know, the last 40 years is that we've taught
people to be afraid to talkreligion and politics, even at
your own table.
Sure, like we don't talk aboutit.
You know it's I say what I sayand you believe me.
Yeah, I'm locked in.
Yeah, and it's just a greatlike disservice and it's led to
this dumbing down of our culture.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Dumbing down and division, and so that brings us
to our next topic.
I saw a divisive bumper stickeron the way to work today.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Those are always fun.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
But who doesn't?
You see them all the time andthis isn't, I will admit.
There are more of them in ElPaso County, colorado, than
there are in some other places.
There really are In both camps.
It's a bit politically chargedaround here compared to some
other places.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
And it's kind of got an artsy vibe.
So everybody likes a sticker,that's true.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Yeah, lots of stickers.
So the sticker that I saw andthis is the basis of this
conversation we're going to have, which leads into a broader
political topic Regular standardbumper sticker.
It was blue on the top and itsaid do you vote for a living?
And then it was red on thebottom and it said or do you
work for a living?
And so that was a statement tosay that Democrats and people
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that vote Democrat it basicallyexpect free stuff from the
government to to survive, andthat Republicans or
conservatives, um, want to, youknow, put in a hard day's work
to earn their living.
And that those are just twofacts.
And there's the.
You know, that's it.
They're so factual that they'reworth writing on a bumper
sticker.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
It all boils down to that, yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
And so, um, it struck a chord with me because I've
got a position on this topicNever would have guessed, who'd
have figured.
The Libertarian has a financialposition right.
But here's my take on thatsticker I don't agree with the
polarization.
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Let's just start with that.
I want to denounce just thesebold statements of, like
everybody, I'm right, you'rewrong.
Those don't hold much value tome.
But the Robin Hood politics is aterm if anybody could please
trademark that for me that DickWilkinson said that.
I've been saying it for years.
And Bernie Sanders is theposter child for Robin Hood
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politics.
He says there shouldn't bebillionaires and tax the rich
out of existence so that thereare no poor people either.
Right, so he is a polar extreme.
We're talking about polarizedtopic here.
He's one edge of the boundaryof you know, and he's a declared
socialist right Independent andcaucuses with blue people when
he needs votes, right, yeah, buthe, he says that he's a
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democratic socialist.
So his policy on on message, um, and that is what that bumper
sticker was really talking aboutwas was bernie, sandra and
bernie and the ilk thereof, orjust the idea that, um, any
democratic politician may sayI'm going to give you more free
stuff, more, and that means thatcomes in the terms of social
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programs.
Right, that's really.
But someone that puts thatbumper sticker on there is not
going to use that terminology.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
They hear free stuff, yeah, free stuff.
Welfare that I don't get.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Right and welfare.
Is this catchphrase for socialprograms at all?
It's a dozen real, actual focusprograms towards specific needs
, but this blanket term ofwelfare gets trotted out to
cover all of those as handouts,right, you know?
Like just straight up handouts,right.
And I don't like the politicalposition that politicians take
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of making promises about freestuff, however they decide to
pay for it or wherever that maycome from.
Right, Like Mom Donnie talkingabout free child care.
How's Mom Donnie going toexecute free child care in New
York city?
That's just outrageous, youknow what I'm saying?
Like all the money they hadwouldn't wouldn't pay for it If
they've just spent their 100% oftheir budget free, free subways
and free buses and stuff likethat's insane, Right.
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But that's what he's doing isfree, free, free, free, free,
free stuff.
Right, he's also a socialist,Unfortunately.
I'm using those as examples,but he's got the spotlight right
now, right.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
But he's hoping to bring in money through taxing.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Taxing rich people.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I guess, yeah, rich people, sure Okay, so he's got a
pipeline for the funds, right,he closes that gap Right.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
But he's also.
I mean, he is espousing blackand white that he wants to tax
the rich and give stuff to thepoor.
Right, he's a socialist RobinHood in my book right, and
that's fine If people want tovote for him.
We're in a democracy and ifthat's what the people of New
York City decide they want to do, go for it.
Go for it, right, see how itworks out, run your experiment
and then, if New York doesn'tfall into the ocean, maybe we do
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it everywhere.
I don't know, I don't want thatto happen, but maybe we do.
But the thing that I kind ofhave a problem with is that
there is what I call the highschool class president, where
they get on stage and you see itin movies it's a trope in all
the teenage movies.
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They get on stage and they'relike more free stuff.
Basically, we're going to havelonger lunch times, we're going
to have less homework and thisstudent has no way to impact any
of that stuff.
Well, that's often the casewith politicians.
They you know a state levelpolitician says they want to tax
billionaires.
You're not going to be able todo that, right, but that's how
they win elections, you know.
And so it's disingenuous rightAt face value and it feeds the
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narrative that prints thatbumper sticker.
So it's a loss across the boardfor blue as far as I'm
concerned if it creates divisionand it's really really hard to
make good on those promisesbecause they're almost
unrealistic.
Like the high school kid tryingto say that that's where I see
that position taken up a lot oftimes.
So that's been times if I'veever been.
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Basically the days that it'shardest for me to be a Democrat
are the days when I hear peopletalk about we're going to just
take away stuff from otherpeople and give it to poor
people and it's just or totallybroken concepts of economics
like $25 minimum wage and priceswon't go up.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
No, that's not how that works.
You know what I'm saying.
You would have to cap profitlevels for the corporations,
sure.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
I'm not saying there's not levers to pull.
They're almost impossible topull right.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
With the current system.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
With what we've got right and I understand.
Again back to democracy.
If you yell the message loudenough, maybe you get 60% of the
people to agree and then youstart pulling levers.
That's okay, right, like, ifdemocracy does its job and
that's what happens, then that'sfine with me.
Yeah, but the sticker isupsetting because, um, it's,
it's just, it's, it's a littlebit of truth.
Um, now it there's.
The lie is work for a livingmeaning.
It's exclusive.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Right, Exactly that part's the there's that point
Also disingenuous, right Is thatonly conservatives work.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I saw a good website.
You ever heard of the laborunion?
Speaker 2 (20:28):
right, yeah, I saw a good website that showed, like,
how many subsidies farmers gotover the years and things like
that, and it's pretty easy tosee the people that get
subsidies that aren't consideredwelfare Right, right, you know.
Yeah, so folks definitely havethe skewed vision.
Yeah, so folks definitely havethe skewed vision.
Where I get upset with thatbumper sticker is that person in
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that car One a lot of the folksthat get those social programs.
They don't vote because they'rekids and you're taking food
away from children.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Or even voting age.
People aren't voting on thatstuff Because they're working
three jobs and they can't vote.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Right, and elderly people that don't have the means
to get to the polls or forgetto vote or whatever.
You're cutting their Medicaidand Medicaid and so to have such
a simplistic view of that.
It just stupefies me that we'vegotten here and people can't
even say they're a Democratwithout getting like somebody
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enraged at them.
Oh sure, you know what I mean.
Like a friend of mine earlier,uh, yesterday or today, uh went
someplace.
She has like a report icesticker on her car.
Oh yeah, guy, I rate at her,screaming at her, and she's like
a small woman, she's just beingaggressive terrified in her car
as he's like screaming throughhis window because she hurt ice,
(21:50):
she has x exercised her rightto my speech, right, yeah?
Speaker 1 (21:54):
yeah, and not even in a super offensive way.
No, she like no words spoken tothe because she hurt ISIS
feelings.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
She has exercised her right to free speech, and not
even in a super offensive way.
No words spoken to the person,he just snapped and went after
her.
It's crazy out there just howpeople are so sold into this con
man's grift For anyone who'snot watching the current season
of South Park.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
please, please, tune in.
They're putting these episodesout within real time.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
I don't know how they're animating them so fast,
like I guess Chaz UPT is justdrawing South Park now.
But you know, like it's insanehow fast they're cranking out
this stuff and it's relevant,right.
And that actually takes us tothe last topic, which is the
national guard in washington dc.
So there's my plug for southpark.
We're in colorado so we shouldprobably, you know, be be
plugging them more maybe weshould get.
We should get them on the showthey don't have anything going
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on, we'll go up to casa bonitaand see if they're there right,
and then you know, I didn'trealize they had bought that and
reopened it by the way.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Yeah, I mean we went last year's for my first time
going.
I've never been.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
It was a experience, yeah I don't really care to go
one way or the other, other thanthat south park is like built
into it now my wife enjoys it,so I get, I get drunk, yeah,
yeah it is a local, you know,classic, I guess it's a it's a
memory and one of those kind ofthings, but, and that's why they
loved it on the show, right?
So anyways, uh, enough, enoughplug for them.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
They have enough money, we don't have to worry
about that.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
We should tax them.
Tax them out of existence right.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Get some of that South Park money.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
So the National Guard in DC was on an episode of
South Park yesterday and theyjust got deployed there last
week.
So that's my.
You know how did they do this?
And they had.
There was basically no peoplein town because there were
soldiers everywhere, right, andthat was like the way they
depicted it.
But this is funny that we'relaughing about it on a TV show.
But the point of it is it's asatire because it's really
(23:41):
happening.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Yeah, Right, did you see that press conference with
JD Vance talking?
Speaker 1 (23:46):
And what he got?
Booed and heckled real hard.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
But just surrounded by military folks.
Well, there's obviouslysomething going on outside, but
all the military folks aresurrounding him Like if there's
a better like snapshot ofauthoritarianism like right
there Like when he's saying like, yeah, it was bad last week,
but everything's cool now.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Surrounded by, you know, 50 troops.
Come on.
The thing that bothers me themost about it, I guess, is we're
back into the original argumentof you know, unfortunately,
sometimes Donald Trump doescrazy things that are actually
legal.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
And this is one of those things.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Well, no, you know, he has up to 30 days to be able
to just militarize DC andwithout permission, right, right
.
So he's in that window rightnow.
So he's doing lawful activityas it stands right now.
But the thing that he lied tohave a reason to deploy, right,
right, and that's the partthat's so, then it's unlawful.
He can do it without a reason.
(24:40):
Is my point right, like he cando it now that the supreme court
said better at night, you knownow that the supreme court gave
him the right to do whatever thehell he wants.
I think he probably could havedone it without explaining it to
anyone for up to 30 days, Ithink that's kind of the point
is.
I don't have to explain ituntil day 31 when I ask for
permission, but between now andthen it's up to me, you know I
guess in today's.
But you know, yeah, 10 years ago, 20 years ago, yeah, I'm not
(25:03):
saying there weren't otherguardrails in there right and
like yeah, the president ofsouth korea got you know ham
boned for this, just like eight,nine months ago when he did the
same thing.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Totally forgot about that.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
No shit, he did the exact same thing and everybody,
the whole country shut down.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Oh yeah, so there is something we can do.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Yeah right, the whole country shut down and stormed
the Capitol and he resigned andbecame the interim for like a
couple months until they got thenext people, but their congress
came together and voted him outwithin like 24 hours, right,
right, their Congress cametogether and voted him out
within like 24 hours, right?
So, anyways, the guard is in DCand the reason for that that
the president gave was that thecrime rate is just
(25:42):
astronomically high, but thetruth of that is that the crime
rate has gone down every yearfor the last like 15 years in DC
.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yeah, so now the Justice Department is looking at
all violent crime not justmurder.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Well, they're looking at which.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
DC official fudged those numbers.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
That's what they're looking at now.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
That's what the Justice Department is going
after the backup to the Bureauof Labor and Statistics people
right, whoever he just got fireddown there, right?
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Yeah, it's the same guy.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Yeah, we got rid of him already.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Don't worry, they're gone.
Yeah, but they're gone.
Yeah, but uh, it does.
I mean like they're never gonnafigure that out because they
manufactured it and it doesn'tmatter, right, like trump makes
up stuff on the spot all thetime, so you know, he didn't
even he didn't read it.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
It doesn't matter, he just made it up, right but back
to his sheeple they talk aboutdon't tread on me and the, the
gats and flag and you know allthat shit all the time.
And now that is blatantlyhaving like.
This is the stuff that alexjones was like I love.
You should love alex jones whenhe first started out in like
the late 90s 2000s, like I'dlisten to him a lot, I'd get
fired up with him, um, but youknow he did what he did but uh
(26:44):
this is the stuff that they wereworried about big government
coming in, stomping on people'srights, just destroying our
constitution.
and now that it's happening, itso they're like, oh, I guess we
don't need that.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
I guess we don't need that Constitution do we?
Yeah, right, right, exactlythose rights are, you know,
suspendable for you know otherreasons and like even the
website's taking rights off.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Oh yeah, yeah, like the US.
I can't remember theConstitution's whatever, yeah, I
mean.
Yeah, it still exists.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Yeah, you gotta go down the library of congress to
read it.
And it's funny because you know.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
That's another reason why people need to learn how to
read cursive.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Yeah, that's what our finding.
Yeah, that's true.
That is know how to read thatshit.
Yeah, yeah, don't trust thetranslation, right?
Because, yeah, when thearchaeologist pulls it out and
says, oh, the rules wereactually this.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Right.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Yeah, cause.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
I mean the Smithsonian is also under review
, right now, oh yeah, like allarts and things like that.
They're all under.
Like the Kennedy center,they're all under review to meet
his view of America.
Yeah, Cause even says like uh,they harp on a slavery being bad
.
If it was, we shouldn't havedone that.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
A whole museum dedicated to how horrific it was
makes sense.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
We have that for other atrocities right For a
reason, so that we can remembernot to do it again.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
And we want our children to know this was
terrible.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
If you all get some idea that maybe you should start
buying each other, don't.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Don't do it.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Somebody already tried that we crossed that line.
We came back.
It was terrible.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
So the National Guard , as Adam pointed out.
He said I know that they'resupposed to be deployed, they're
coming from a few differentstates, but what are they doing?
They're not police.
So how do they augment thepolice or how do they control
crime?
And right now touchy subjectthey're cleaning out homeless
(28:39):
encampments.
Now they are an eyesore.
As far as donald trump isconcerned, right, like dc should
be gold-plated and beautiful,like gardener riad or wherever
he went, you know.
But um, the the idea of justmoving out these encampments,
okay, whatever, like if they'relegal or not legal, like the
services need to be employed toget those people off the street
anyway.
Right, but those aren't violentcriminals, right.
(29:03):
And if you deployed themilitary to control violent
crime, that's definitely not thesource of just outright violent
crime.
Those people are generally arekeeping to themselves right.
Especially in a super crowdedcity like DC.
They're not really having a lotof contact, even though they're
there with thousands andmillions of people.
Yeah, they're in their ownlittle lane and they're
generally not the source ofviolent crime, unless they're
(29:25):
having like a mental episode,but otherwise it's other.
You know, it's people who are oftheir own wits and live inside
that are doing this type ofproblem Right own wits and live
inside that are doing this typeof problem right, and so the
fact that the national guard isjust going up and moving out
homeless encampments iscompletely misplaced for the
problem that he represented ofbringing them in so who knows
what this is going to turn outto be.
But you know, the la situationwas in fact a blueprint, right.
(29:46):
And what can I do?
And how can we do it right?
Speaker 2 (29:49):
and then they're going to keep moving.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
You know they're going to go to the next can
around over there, and then theysaid all right, let's do it in
dc.
Right, because there'sbasically no legal barrier to
right.
Try run this experiment againand see what happens yeah, he
has a little more control overthe dc police well, and that one
thing that I saw last week um,the dc police had national guard
troops with them and they setup a checkpoint in the street,
not like a dui checkpoint like aperson just a crosswalk
(30:13):
jaywalking checkpoint just, uh,you know, like, hey, if you you
need to be, everybody comingdown the street needs to have
some contact with the police orsoldiers, because this is where
we decided that needs to happen.
And so the citizens and this wasin.
Like you know, there was cafesand bars and stuff along this
one street, yeah, and they justshowed up, set up cones, popped
up some cop cars and was likehey, funnel through, right, and
(30:35):
the people came out of thosebusinesses this was at like 10
or 11 o'clock at night, rightand they came out and just
started screaming and yelling atthe cops and everything.
Like what are you doing?
Yeah, and the cops were likethis is normal procedure, right.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Yeah, and everybody late at night too.
It's antagonistic.
Yes.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Show of force, purely show of force, did you?
Speaker 2 (30:58):
see these animals come out and spit at us.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Throw a sandwich at us, oh my goodness, let's stomp
their necks, just pure show offorce.
Yeah, you're not sweeping upviolent criminals off the random
street.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Again, let's point out the fact that I mean 7% of
the nation-ish is veterans, soprobably a higher percentage
than that is homeless, like thehomelessness is veterans, you
know.
So a good chunk of thoseveterans that they're pushing
out are veterans who probablyneed they all need help.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
But I mean again who are we protecting here and who
are we taking care of as anation?
Yep, and you know where does itend, right?
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Because he can do it for up to 30 days, as we
mentioned earlier.
But he's already talked aboutjust rolling with another
authorization.
Well, I mean, did you see hislittle merch shop that he showed
Zelensky with his Trump 2028hats on it?
No, yeah, so the White Househas a corner with Trump merch?
Yeah, just hats and gaudy grossstuff.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Disgusting for the presidency to have in the office
Exit through the gift shop.
Exactly 100%.
Get a token of remembrance foryour time in the Oval Office.
Oh my God.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
But one of his Trump.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
MAGA hats Put it in the parking lot fool.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Trump 2028.
Wow In the White House rightnow.
That's insane.
Yeah, trump 2028.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Wow In the White House?
Yeah, right now, that's insane.
Yeah, that's insane.
Yeah, well, why would you tryand push the gerrymandering
issue in so many states?
Right, it's because you've gotto trick up your sleeve.
Yeah, you've got to set thestage now so that in the
midterms you can do some crazystuff after the midterm.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Because when you do an amendment to the Constitution
, you need to have what?
Three?
Speaker 1 (32:32):
sixty percent.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
I thought it was like 66 yeah, um, yeah, two-thirds,
two-thirds yeah of states toagree to that.
So if you don't have that, youcan't do a constitutional
amendment that quickly and thenyeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
You have to have a very heavy majority to do this,
and that's what they're tryingto do right now you know.
So, yeah, that, yeah, that'scrazy.
Now I got to go check that out.
I didn't know about that Trumphat.
Yeah, I've been trying to like.
Available in red and white.
I've been trying my hardest to.
I'm in denial over the ideathat he's trying to pull off a
(33:05):
third term type situation.
Now that that's in the samebreath as I've said to other
people, If he gets back into thewhite house he'll never leave
Right, Like he does not intendto leave.
He's going to figure out someway to never leave Right and
I've I've trotted out my ownconspiracy.
I made these up ideas of how hemight try to execute that Right
Um, and I won't get into thoseright now.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
We'll save that for another episode.
Yeah, we'll save it for anotherepisode.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
But, um, I?
But at the same time I wassaying those things with this,
with the breath of hope that,like, but the system works, yeah
, it should stop it.
It from happening, right, likeI, I can't you know the things
I'm saying out loud I can'tbelieve they would come to pass,
but they could come to pass,and so that's what freaks me out
, is hearing something like that.
Right, it's evidence of whatI'm trying to be in denial about
(33:52):
.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
So, ew, yeah, here we are, yeah there we are, yeah
yeah.
It's coming fast and you know,texas just passed their new maps
.
Yeah, so I think either NewYork or I think it was New York
said game on California too.
Yeah, California's already donethat, but now New York's just
kind of jumped on board too.
So, like good, here it is Getdirty Like if you don't get
(34:17):
dirty we're going to have athird Trump term.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Yeah, get dirty.
And I go further into therabble rousing.
This is defining the fracture,for it's not going to be the
north and south in the nextinternal conflict.
It's going to be the blue andred, the left and right.
It's not.
It's not going to begeographically defined and you
know border boundaries like that.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Right and so neighbors and neighbors.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
It's going to be a much uglier situation of
fracturing Right, which, yeah,hmm, how you get out of that?
Because you don't havegeographic contingency to go.
Everything here is this way andeverything there is that way.
You can't do that when it'sfractured the way it's breaking
apart right now, literally atlike a 50 50.
We're gonna go coastal andmiddle right.
Yeah, like, what does that mean?
You know?
Speaker 2 (34:58):
that was one of the things that that yarvin
character that the, uh, thebillionaires follow yeah, he
believes that, uh, we shouldbreak off into like little
kingdoms yes, yeah, youmentioned that east west middle,
things like that and having abillionaire on top of each one.
Yeah, you know, yeah, I want tolive in mediville.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Everybody gets free vr headsets, free meta goggles.
I want alternative realityplease yeah please, king
zuckerberg, make my glasses rosetinted.
Well, if donald trump figuresout how to keep the national
guard there all the way throughyou know the next election then,
(35:38):
yeah, the you know what are yougonna do, right, what?
What can you possibly do?
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (35:43):
okay, we would need them to turn around and take
them off the throne.
Yeah, like, that's what we needyeah, like I mean, if he tries
to sit on the throne, that's whyour military is there.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
That doesn't fucking happen.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Excuse my language, we'll see.
We made it like 35, 40 minuteswithout an.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
F-bomb.
Well, there you go, we'llfinish on that.
Then, right Is the F-bomb andthe sad news that the future of
America is doomed.
Nah, that's why we do thepodcast, because it's not doomed
yet.
No, if we ever go off the airforever, you'll know something
bad happened.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Yeah, there's always things left to do and things to
keep fighting for so yeah, don'tfall into the doom and gloom
and everything Still.
Wake up, look at the blue skyand go forth and do good.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Yeah Well, thanks everybody.
Appreciate you all listening tothis episode and we'll catch
you again next week on Left Face.
Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of
Left Face.
This is the Pikes Peak Regionpolitical podcast through a
veteran's point of view.
I am your co-host, dickWilkinson, and I'm joined this
morning with Adam Gillard.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I just love the alliterations, man.
It just cracks me up.
When you can get through it, itjust flows.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
That one came out right, that one, yeah, no
problems.
How are you doing today?
I'm doing good, and you knowthat's totally freestyle.
Every time we do that, just soeverybody knows.
It's not like we don't have ascript for that, and so
sometimes it's consistent and alot of times it's just whatever
word salad comes out in themoment, and of course we also
have a countdown.
So it's, I'm a.
I don't have a problem withpublic speaking at all, but I'm
in control of the of theenvironment when I go on stage,
(00:38):
right, but when the countdowntimer starts it almost.
Countdown timer starts italmost.
It's almost like I don't know,like they're gonna throw you on
stage or something, but whatever, it's just me and adam, so
there's nothing to be worriedabout.
But thanks everybody forputting up with our uh, you know
extra peas that we throw inthere sometimes.
So shenanigans, yeah.
So, uh, we want to start today.
First, I want to recognize adam,uh, before he shares some
(00:59):
information about an event herecently attended.
Um, but, for our listeners, youmay you're probably not aware,
but there's a large nationalorganization called the Veterans
Action Committee and they'respecifically or maybe the
Veterans Action Council, I can'tremember, but they're
specifically focused onprogressing cannabis rights
throughout the United States andit's, you know, veterans and
(01:20):
family members of veterans thatwant to move cannabis forward
for everybody, not just forveterans.
They actually have involvementeven in international situations
where cannabis is talked aboutat the UN and different things
like that, so they have a reallya big reach, been around and
established for a long time.
I was a slightly active membera few years back and I recently
(01:41):
got an email that wanted tonominate people that had been
veterans moving forward thecause of cannabis, and so I
nominated Adam for his courtcase that he won here this year
in Colorado Springs as asignificant contribution to the
movement, and he was acceptedand added to the list.
So congratulations, adam.
You're now a nationallyrecognized contributor to the
(02:03):
cannabis movement.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
I have somebody that will make me a pin for that.
I'll wear that pin proudly.
That is really cool man.
Thank you so much for doingthat.
It's definitely something thatboth of us, since we've gotten
out, we've kind of fought forbecause we see the benefits and
how it can help people.
We know some of the strugglesthat all of our vets are going
through, and pushing alcohol onpeople is not the solution or,
(02:26):
you know, it's their parachuteright now.
But you know, having access tocannabis helps a lot of us,
untie a lot of our knots andit's a big deal for us to just
be treated like adults and beable to have that option.
Yeah, so thank you for doingthat.
I'm glad that we can keep kindof pushing it forward, because
city council here is stillprobably going to try and fight
us on this.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Could be yeah.
So yeah, you're quite welcomeand thank you for what you did
this year to help the folks outhere in Colorado Springs.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I really just mouthed off and got to put my name on a
piece of paper.
Yeah, so it worked.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
You know it's right place, right time.
But really what it is, it's aculmination of all the other
efforts, right?
It's all the other time thatyou spent in conversation with
the responsible rec team, withthe different distributors
around here that not just have afinancial interest but had a
genuine community interest aswell.
So that's how you got involvedand that's the culmination of
(03:17):
all that effort.
So, yeah, I appreciate it.
Yeah, so Adam attended an eventover this last weekend.
It was a Democratic kind ofsatellite convention type event,
right?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yeah, just kind of a big thing.
It was called Dem West over onthe Western Slope right in
Glenwood Springs, which I'venever been to, but the drive was
beautiful and I definitely needto get out there.
But it's a way for theDemocratic Party to say hey,
folks on the Western Slope,we're still here, come on out,
see your neighbors Talk, let'shave a good conversation, have
(03:49):
some good fun.
So I was there with theColorado Democratic Veterans
Council.
Yeah, whatever that acronym is,that sounds right.
It's something new that me andDick we talked about it on here.
We stood up.
Um, it's something new that meand Dick we talked about it on
here, but we stood up and weactually just recently released
our first press releasecondemning the Trump
administration's attempts thatnot even allowing trans folks to
(04:13):
get a partial retirement.
You know folks that have servedfrom 15 to 18 years that are
just being kicked out on a whim.
You know, just because, throughno fault of their own yeah,
through no fault of their ownthey're within regs they're
serving.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
You know just because— Through no fault of
their own, yeah, through nofault of their own they're
within regs.
They're serving, you know,honorably They've been honorably
serving this whole time.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Like everybody, still thanks them for their service
and this administration is justgoing to kick them out and throw
them to the curb with zerobenefits and it's absolute
garbage For a sweeping politicalmovement that you know the
military should be protectedfrom.
Right, yeah, and serving withfolks.
If anybody in the militarythinks that they've never served
(04:49):
with a trans person, that meansthat they probably just weren't
comfortable coming up to you.
For sure, you know what I mean.
Everybody has served with atrans person and served
honorably with.
I can't think of anybody thatI've served with that has been.
You know that I didn't kick outfor a reason Right, exactly, but
just to say that it'sabsolutely ridiculous that we're
(05:12):
putting this kind ofdiscrimination on people who
just want to serve their country.
It's clear that they wantpeople to serve a different
country right now, Like thisTrump administration.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah redefining culture and all different facets
of American life.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, the whole, you know woke is broke thing that he
still tweets about.
Sure, woke is about like,paying attention to the
government and making surethey're not coming for you.
Yeah, that's what the wokemovement is, and like the fact
that all these folks fly theirgats and flags and you know,
don't tread on me.
And now they're just bendingover and licking boots and
(05:47):
treading on other people.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
And treading on other people.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
It just.
Oh, it gets me going man.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yeah, I'm in the I guess I'll call it a centrist
position around.
I can take this topic and splitit into two things for me
mentally, two things for me.
For me, mentally, it's a truestatement for me that you know,
the president or the secretaryof defense can, you know, change
the nature of what servicelooks like.
They can change the type offorces that we have and how many
(06:15):
people we have, and we do thatin different situations.
This one's clearly politicaland cultural, which is why it
has that.
It has an ugly stink to it.
You know's there's.
It is um, taking a specifickind of hammer against people
who are just doing their jobright now.
Um, but at face value, thosetwo individuals have the have
(06:36):
the legal right to execute apolicy like this.
The part that's upsetting isthe stripping of benefits,
stripping of the honorableservice, taking away just
basically the fact that they'vecontributed and saying not even
saying, thank you for yourservice, right?
I mean, that's the part thatfor me, if I say I'm splitting
(06:57):
it apart.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I think there is a severance package, but not it's
an immediate, just cash payout.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
It's not lifelong benefits, which is what they
were working for, what waspromised, and it's a
discouragement of the promise.
That's what I'm most upsetabout.
Right, the policy can be legal,it can be upsetting to me and
still be legal, right.
And so there it is, but thediscouragement of that promise
that you gave to that servicemember, to that individual.
They signed up that we're goingto take care of you as you take
(07:24):
care of us, for as long as youagree to do it.
You can't just rip that awayfrom somebody, take those
lifelong earned benefits away.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
And once they do it with those folks, they're going
to keep going.
But, like I mean, Pete Hegsethhas already promoted a pastor
that wants women out of themilitary.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
You know.
So what's the next step?
Speaker 1 (07:45):
They're just going to kick women out of the military,
because women are the problemnow, and take away their
benefits as well, becausethere's precedent for it.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah, that's a lot of what we're seeing in so many
different areas.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Is that little bit of I shouldn't say little bit
Serious line stepping, if youwill, but trying to redefine
boundaries, not find theboundaries?
They know where the boundariesare.
They're stepping over them onpurpose, not find the boundaries
they know where the boundariesare.
They're stepping over them onpurpose.
They're breaking thoseboundaries on purpose to try and
redefine them, to set precedent.
Right, I see that as a specificgoal of so many different
(08:12):
things the ICE campaigns, right.
This military movement, right,there's so many different.
Going after specific businesses, going after specific, you know
, people within the judicialbranch, right, like that kind of
stuff.
It not, was not the purview ofthe executive in the past, but
they're pushing those boundariesto try and break those things
now.
And this is just again, justlike taking um Kilmar and saying
(08:35):
what can we do to extort thisperson and how far can we take
it?
That's going to define ourprecedent.
Yeah, they're doing that withtrans folks by kicking them out
of the military and strippingthem of their, you know, duly
earned benefits.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
So yeah, and I just also want to point out that when
we talk military culture, youknow one in three women right
now suffer some form of likemilitary sexual trauma and the
harassment attacks you knowrapes One in three, and that's
not, you know, and I think it'sone in 50 men.
Okay, Um, so that's not thetrans community committing all
(09:13):
those atrocities.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
No, you know what I?
Speaker 2 (09:15):
mean, Like the problem with you know, inside
the military comes with thatculture of just needing power.
Yeah, and I mean one in threewomen suffer this.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Yeah, it's outrageous , right, like if there was any
other similar occupationalhazard in some other job or some
other career field.
There'd be a huge you knowinvestigation and like what do
we need to do to stop this fromhappening?
You know that would be anoutrageous off the charts kind
of level of risk or harm for inany other setting.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
And you know if they try to turn the argument into.
You know well, that means womenshouldn't be there.
No, like I know Marines who gotsent home because they smashed
their arm in their Humvee,because they were getting raped
by their platoon every night.
Like it's a problem deeper thanjust, you know, women.
The problem is with the menfeeling that they can just take
(10:07):
power over somebody like that.
Yeah, you know what I mean andit's, it's a line, cause you got
to train, train them to go dosome nasty things too, you know.
So like it's a it's a toughculture for anybody to be in but
to to discriminate againstfolks that are not part of the
victims are not.
yeah, they're victims, they'renot part of the problems in the
military.
(10:28):
You're just going to make it acesspool man, ooh that's true,
that is true.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
So man so back to Dem West.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah right.
There's a there's a sidetrackfor you, Dem West Well just
quickly mentioned.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
what we didn't really wrap up there is that the group
that we have recently has beenestablished right.
That was our first, basicallyofficial order of business was
issuing a public press releasesaying that veterans within
Colorado condemn the concept oftaking those benefits and rights
away from those service members, and that was picked up by a
press outlet, at least one.
And so you know, in politicsthat's what you do, right, you
(11:06):
message, and so that's a messageI'm proud of Right, yeah, and
it was nice to have that onequickly under our belt.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Oh yeah, you know instead of just spinning our
tires.
See, you know where we can, youknow, kind of put aim at yeah,
you know we had something tofocus on pretty quickly.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Super squarely in the focus of what the group should
be about, right, you know, Imean dead center, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
And so you know we went out there.
We got to hear AG Weiser speak.
If anybody's ever got to hearhim, he's got a good energy,
like the energy changes when hestarts speaking in a room, which
is pretty good to hear becausewe have other politicians that
really drone on and kind ofreally put you down Like he has
really good energy.
So we got to hear him.
(11:47):
A few other candidates, one ofthe candidates from here locally
, john Mickus.
He's running for statetreasurer.
That dude.
He is so on point with puttingin work and doing things.
I really hope he gets the statetreasurer ability.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Is that a this year election, like an off year type
thing?
No, it's a 26 year, so he stillhas a primary.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
And there's a few other candidates out there too,
but just knowing John, he putsin a lot of work.
Yeah, he's been great for that.
Yeah, so Dem West was out thereas a second year in a row.
He'll be back out there nextyear, hopefully with a bigger
list of accomplishments.
But it's good to see thatpeople are coming out and
supporting in these like redareas.
(12:27):
You know we still had probablyclose to 100 folks or so there,
yeah, but you know it's good tosee folks on the Western Slope
having a place to go and talkand be around friends.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Good, that's great.
And yeah, in those rural andwhat's that word?
It's always hard to say.
In rural areas, um, I meanpolitics matters, right people
get uh insulated.
Uh, when you're in a rural Igrew up in, you know two very
small towns and in the countryand uh, you get insulated into
that bubble of whatever's goingon right there and so you know
(13:01):
anything outside of your countyalmost a lot of times feels like
it's happening on anotherplanet.
Right, and so it's.
It's definitely hard to havejust day-to-day conversations
with folks in those settings.
They generally are less likelyto want to engage on political
topics a lot of times.
That's kind of what I heardgrowing up, or you know.
Also, the most common case isthey're extremely polarized in
(13:25):
one camp or another and theyagain don't want to have any
kind of valid conversationbecause they're like meh, it's
my guy in charge right now, so Ican't bitch about USAID losing
all their money and buying mycrops.
Yeah, or they're not buying mycrops this year, so I'm not
going to make any money.
Or you know, everything floodedand nobody came to help.
You know, like whatever, don'ttalk to me about politics.
(13:45):
Yeah, exactly, that's one of mybiggest complaints.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
You know, the last 40 years is that we've taught
people to be afraid to talkreligion and politics, even at
your own table.
Sure, like we don't talk aboutit.
You know it's I say what I sayand you believe me.
Yeah, I'm locked in.
Yeah, and it's just a greatlike disservice and it's led to
this dumbing down of our culture.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Dumbing down and division, and so that brings us
to our next topic.
I saw a divisive bumper stickeron the way to work today.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Those are always fun.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
But who doesn't?
You see them all the time andthis isn't, I will admit.
There are more of them in ElPaso County, colorado, than
there are in some other places.
There really are In both camps.
It's a bit politically chargedaround here compared to some
other places.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
And it's kind of got an artsy vibe.
So everybody likes a sticker,that's true.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Yeah, lots of stickers.
So the sticker that I saw andthis is the basis of this
conversation we're going to have, which leads into a broader
political topic Regular standardbumper sticker.
It was blue on the top and itsaid do you vote for a living?
And then it was red on thebottom and it said or do you
work for a living?
And so that was a statement tosay that Democrats and people
(14:57):
that vote Democrat it basicallyexpect free stuff from the
government to to survive, andthat Republicans or
conservatives, um, want to, youknow, put in a hard day's work
to earn their living.
And that those are just twofacts.
And there's the.
You know, that's it.
They're so factual that they'reworth writing on a bumper
sticker.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
It all boils down to that, yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
And so, um, it struck a chord with me because I've
got a position on this topicNever would have guessed, who'd
have figured.
The Libertarian has a financialposition right.
But here's my take on thatsticker I don't agree with the
polarization.
(15:40):
Let's just start with that.
I want to denounce just thesebold statements of, like
everybody, I'm right, you'rewrong.
Those don't hold much value tome.
But the Robin Hood politics is aterm if anybody could please
trademark that for me that DickWilkinson said that.
I've been saying it for years.
And Bernie Sanders is theposter child for Robin Hood
(16:02):
politics.
He says there shouldn't bebillionaires and tax the rich
out of existence so that thereare no poor people either.
Right, so he is a polar extreme.
We're talking about polarizedtopic here.
He's one edge of the boundaryof you know, and he's a declared
socialist right Independent andcaucuses with blue people when
he needs votes, right, yeah, buthe, he says that he's a
(16:22):
democratic socialist.
So his policy on on message, um, and that is what that bumper
sticker was really talking aboutwas was bernie, sandra and
bernie and the ilk thereof, orjust the idea that, um, any
democratic politician may sayI'm going to give you more free
stuff, more, and that means thatcomes in the terms of social
(16:43):
programs.
Right, that's really.
But someone that puts thatbumper sticker on there is not
going to use that terminology.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
They hear free stuff, yeah, free stuff.
Welfare that I don't get.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Right and welfare.
Is this catchphrase for socialprograms at all?
It's a dozen real, actual focusprograms towards specific needs
, but this blanket term ofwelfare gets trotted out to
cover all of those as handouts,right, you know?
Like just straight up handouts,right.
And I don't like the politicalposition that politicians take
(17:17):
of making promises about freestuff, however they decide to
pay for it or wherever that maycome from.
Right, Like Mom Donnie talkingabout free child care.
How's Mom Donnie going toexecute free child care in New
York city?
That's just outrageous, youknow what I'm saying?
Like all the money they hadwouldn't wouldn't pay for it If
they've just spent their 100% oftheir budget free, free subways
and free buses and stuff likethat's insane, Right.
(17:39):
But that's what he's doing isfree, free, free, free, free,
free stuff.
Right, he's also a socialist,Unfortunately.
I'm using those as examples,but he's got the spotlight right
now, right.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
But he's hoping to bring in money through taxing.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Taxing rich people.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I guess, yeah, rich people, sure Okay, so he's got a
pipeline for the funds, right,he closes that gap Right.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
But he's also.
I mean, he is espousing blackand white that he wants to tax
the rich and give stuff to thepoor.
Right, he's a socialist RobinHood in my book right, and
that's fine If people want tovote for him.
We're in a democracy and ifthat's what the people of New
York City decide they want to do, go for it.
Go for it, right, see how itworks out, run your experiment
and then, if New York doesn'tfall into the ocean, maybe we do
(18:20):
it everywhere.
I don't know, I don't want thatto happen, but maybe we do.
But the thing that I kind ofhave a problem with is that
there is what I call the highschool class president, where
they get on stage and you see itin movies it's a trope in all
the teenage movies.
(18:40):
They get on stage and they'relike more free stuff.
Basically, we're going to havelonger lunch times, we're going
to have less homework and thisstudent has no way to impact any
of that stuff.
Well, that's often the casewith politicians.
They you know a state levelpolitician says they want to tax
billionaires.
You're not going to be able todo that, right, but that's how
they win elections, you know.
And so it's disingenuous rightAt face value and it feeds the
(19:02):
narrative that prints thatbumper sticker.
So it's a loss across the boardfor blue as far as I'm
concerned if it creates divisionand it's really really hard to
make good on those promisesbecause they're almost
unrealistic.
Like the high school kid tryingto say that that's where I see
that position taken up a lot oftimes.
So that's been times if I'veever been.
(19:23):
Basically the days that it'shardest for me to be a Democrat
are the days when I hear peopletalk about we're going to just
take away stuff from otherpeople and give it to poor
people and it's just or totallybroken concepts of economics
like $25 minimum wage and priceswon't go up.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
No, that's not how that works.
You know what I'm saying.
You would have to cap profitlevels for the corporations,
sure.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
I'm not saying there's not levers to pull.
They're almost impossible topull right.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
With the current system.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
With what we've got right and I understand.
Again back to democracy.
If you yell the message loudenough, maybe you get 60% of the
people to agree and then youstart pulling levers.
That's okay, right, like, ifdemocracy does its job and
that's what happens, then that'sfine with me.
Yeah, but the sticker isupsetting because, um, it's,
it's just, it's, it's a littlebit of truth.
Um, now it there's.
The lie is work for a livingmeaning.
It's exclusive.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Right, Exactly that part's the there's that point
Also disingenuous, right Is thatonly conservatives work.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I saw a good website.
You ever heard of the laborunion?
Speaker 2 (20:28):
right, yeah, I saw a good website that showed, like,
how many subsidies farmers gotover the years and things like
that, and it's pretty easy tosee the people that get
subsidies that aren't consideredwelfare Right, right, you know.
Yeah, so folks definitely havethe skewed vision.
Yeah, so folks definitely havethe skewed vision.
Where I get upset with thatbumper sticker is that person in
(20:51):
that car One a lot of the folksthat get those social programs.
They don't vote because they'rekids and you're taking food
away from children.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Or even voting age.
People aren't voting on thatstuff Because they're working
three jobs and they can't vote.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Right, and elderly people that don't have the means
to get to the polls or forgetto vote or whatever.
You're cutting their Medicaidand Medicaid and so to have such
a simplistic view of that.
It just stupefies me that we'vegotten here and people can't
even say they're a Democratwithout getting like somebody
(21:29):
enraged at them.
Oh sure, you know what I mean.
Like a friend of mine earlier,uh, yesterday or today, uh went
someplace.
She has like a report icesticker on her car.
Oh yeah, guy, I rate at her,screaming at her, and she's like
a small woman, she's just beingaggressive terrified in her car
as he's like screaming throughhis window because she hurt ice,
(21:50):
she has x exercised her rightto my speech, right, yeah?
Speaker 1 (21:54):
yeah, and not even in a super offensive way.
No, she like no words spoken tothe because she hurt ISIS
feelings.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
She has exercised her right to free speech, and not
even in a super offensive way.
No words spoken to the person,he just snapped and went after
her.
It's crazy out there just howpeople are so sold into this con
man's grift For anyone who'snot watching the current season
of South Park.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
please, please, tune in.
They're putting these episodesout within real time.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
I don't know how they're animating them so fast,
like I guess Chaz UPT is justdrawing South Park now.
But you know, like it's insanehow fast they're cranking out
this stuff and it's relevant,right.
And that actually takes us tothe last topic, which is the
national guard in washington dc.
So there's my plug for southpark.
We're in colorado so we shouldprobably, you know, be be
plugging them more maybe weshould get.
We should get them on the showthey don't have anything going
(22:44):
on, we'll go up to casa bonitaand see if they're there right,
and then you know, I didn'trealize they had bought that and
reopened it by the way.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Yeah, I mean we went last year's for my first time
going.
I've never been.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
It was a experience, yeah I don't really care to go
one way or the other, other thanthat south park is like built
into it now my wife enjoys it,so I get, I get drunk, yeah,
yeah it is a local, you know,classic, I guess it's a it's a
memory and one of those kind ofthings, but, and that's why they
loved it on the show, right?
So anyways, uh, enough, enoughplug for them.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
They have enough money, we don't have to worry
about that.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
We should tax them.
Tax them out of existence right.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Get some of that South Park money.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
So the National Guard in DC was on an episode of
South Park yesterday and theyjust got deployed there last
week.
So that's my.
You know how did they do this?
And they had.
There was basically no peoplein town because there were
soldiers everywhere, right, andthat was like the way they
depicted it.
But this is funny that we'relaughing about it on a TV show.
But the point of it is it's asatire because it's really
(23:41):
happening.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Yeah, Right, did you see that press conference with
JD Vance talking?
Speaker 1 (23:46):
And what he got?
Booed and heckled real hard.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
But just surrounded by military folks.
Well, there's obviouslysomething going on outside, but
all the military folks aresurrounding him Like if there's
a better like snapshot ofauthoritarianism like right
there Like when he's saying like, yeah, it was bad last week,
but everything's cool now.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Surrounded by, you know, 50 troops.
Come on.
The thing that bothers me themost about it, I guess, is we're
back into the original argumentof you know, unfortunately,
sometimes Donald Trump doescrazy things that are actually
legal.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
And this is one of those things.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Well, no, you know, he has up to 30 days to be able
to just militarize DC andwithout permission, right, right
.
So he's in that window rightnow.
So he's doing lawful activityas it stands right now.
But the thing that he lied tohave a reason to deploy, right,
right, and that's the partthat's so, then it's unlawful.
He can do it without a reason.
(24:40):
Is my point right, like he cando it now that the supreme court
said better at night, you knownow that the supreme court gave
him the right to do whatever thehell he wants.
I think he probably could havedone it without explaining it to
anyone for up to 30 days, Ithink that's kind of the point
is.
I don't have to explain ituntil day 31 when I ask for
permission, but between now andthen it's up to me, you know I
guess in today's.
But you know, yeah, 10 years ago, 20 years ago, yeah, I'm not
(25:03):
saying there weren't otherguardrails in there right and
like yeah, the president ofsouth korea got you know ham
boned for this, just like eight,nine months ago when he did the
same thing.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Totally forgot about that.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
No shit, he did the exact same thing and everybody,
the whole country shut down.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Oh yeah, so there is something we can do.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Yeah right, the whole country shut down and stormed
the Capitol and he resigned andbecame the interim for like a
couple months until they got thenext people, but their congress
came together and voted him outwithin like 24 hours, right,
right, their Congress cametogether and voted him out
within like 24 hours, right?
So, anyways, the guard is in DCand the reason for that that
the president gave was that thecrime rate is just
(25:42):
astronomically high, but thetruth of that is that the crime
rate has gone down every yearfor the last like 15 years in DC
.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yeah, so now the Justice Department is looking at
all violent crime not justmurder.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Well, they're looking at which.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
DC official fudged those numbers.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
That's what they're looking at now.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
That's what the Justice Department is going
after the backup to the Bureauof Labor and Statistics people
right, whoever he just got fireddown there, right?
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Yeah, it's the same guy.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Yeah, we got rid of him already.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Don't worry, they're gone.
Yeah, but they're gone.
Yeah, but uh, it does.
I mean like they're never gonnafigure that out because they
manufactured it and it doesn'tmatter, right, like trump makes
up stuff on the spot all thetime, so you know, he didn't
even he didn't read it.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
It doesn't matter, he just made it up, right but back
to his sheeple they talk aboutdon't tread on me and the, the
gats and flag and you know allthat shit all the time.
And now that is blatantlyhaving like.
This is the stuff that alexjones was like I love.
You should love alex jones whenhe first started out in like
the late 90s 2000s, like I'dlisten to him a lot, I'd get
fired up with him, um, but youknow he did what he did but uh
(26:44):
this is the stuff that they wereworried about big government
coming in, stomping on people'srights, just destroying our
constitution.
and now that it's happening, itso they're like, oh, I guess we
don't need that.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
I guess we don't need that Constitution do we?
Yeah, right, right, exactlythose rights are, you know,
suspendable for you know otherreasons and like even the
website's taking rights off.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Oh yeah, yeah, like the US.
I can't remember theConstitution's whatever, yeah, I
mean.
Yeah, it still exists.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Yeah, you gotta go down the library of congress to
read it.
And it's funny because you know.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
That's another reason why people need to learn how to
read cursive.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Yeah, that's what our finding.
Yeah, that's true.
That is know how to read thatshit.
Yeah, yeah, don't trust thetranslation, right?
Because, yeah, when thearchaeologist pulls it out and
says, oh, the rules wereactually this.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Right.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Yeah, cause.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
I mean the Smithsonian is also under review
, right now, oh yeah, like allarts and things like that.
They're all under.
Like the Kennedy center,they're all under review to meet
his view of America.
Yeah, Cause even says like uh,they harp on a slavery being bad
.
If it was, we shouldn't havedone that.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
A whole museum dedicated to how horrific it was
makes sense.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
We have that for other atrocities right For a
reason, so that we can remembernot to do it again.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
And we want our children to know this was
terrible.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
If you all get some idea that maybe you should start
buying each other, don't.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Don't do it.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Somebody already tried that we crossed that line.
We came back.
It was terrible.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
So the National Guard , as Adam pointed out.
He said I know that they'resupposed to be deployed, they're
coming from a few differentstates, but what are they doing?
They're not police.
So how do they augment thepolice or how do they control
crime?
And right now touchy subjectthey're cleaning out homeless
(28:39):
encampments.
Now they are an eyesore.
As far as donald trump isconcerned, right, like dc should
be gold-plated and beautiful,like gardener riad or wherever
he went, you know.
But um, the the idea of justmoving out these encampments,
okay, whatever, like if they'relegal or not legal, like the
services need to be employed toget those people off the street
anyway.
Right, but those aren't violentcriminals, right.
(29:03):
And if you deployed themilitary to control violent
crime, that's definitely not thesource of just outright violent
crime.
Those people are generally arekeeping to themselves right.
Especially in a super crowdedcity like DC.
They're not really having a lotof contact, even though they're
there with thousands andmillions of people.
Yeah, they're in their ownlittle lane and they're
generally not the source ofviolent crime, unless they're
(29:25):
having like a mental episode,but otherwise it's other.
You know, it's people who are oftheir own wits and live inside
that are doing this type ofproblem Right own wits and live
inside that are doing this typeof problem right, and so the
fact that the national guard isjust going up and moving out
homeless encampments iscompletely misplaced for the
problem that he represented ofbringing them in so who knows
what this is going to turn outto be.
But you know, the la situationwas in fact a blueprint, right.
(29:46):
And what can I do?
And how can we do it right?
Speaker 2 (29:49):
and then they're going to keep moving.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
You know they're going to go to the next can
around over there, and then theysaid all right, let's do it in
dc.
Right, because there'sbasically no legal barrier to
right.
Try run this experiment againand see what happens yeah, he
has a little more control overthe dc police well, and that one
thing that I saw last week um,the dc police had national guard
troops with them and they setup a checkpoint in the street,
not like a dui checkpoint like aperson just a crosswalk
(30:13):
jaywalking checkpoint just, uh,you know, like, hey, if you you
need to be, everybody comingdown the street needs to have
some contact with the police orsoldiers, because this is where
we decided that needs to happen.
And so the citizens and this wasin.
Like you know, there was cafesand bars and stuff along this
one street, yeah, and they justshowed up, set up cones, popped
up some cop cars and was likehey, funnel through, right, and
(30:35):
the people came out of thosebusinesses this was at like 10
or 11 o'clock at night, rightand they came out and just
started screaming and yelling atthe cops and everything.
Like what are you doing?
Yeah, and the cops were likethis is normal procedure, right.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Yeah, and everybody late at night too.
It's antagonistic.
Yes.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Show of force, purely show of force, did you?
Speaker 2 (30:58):
see these animals come out and spit at us.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Throw a sandwich at us, oh my goodness, let's stomp
their necks, just pure show offorce.
Yeah, you're not sweeping upviolent criminals off the random
street.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Again, let's point out the fact that I mean 7% of
the nation-ish is veterans, soprobably a higher percentage
than that is homeless, like thehomelessness is veterans, you
know.
So a good chunk of thoseveterans that they're pushing
out are veterans who probablyneed they all need help.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
But I mean again who are we protecting here and who
are we taking care of as anation?
Yep, and you know where does itend, right?
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Because he can do it for up to 30 days, as we
mentioned earlier.
But he's already talked aboutjust rolling with another
authorization.
Well, I mean, did you see hislittle merch shop that he showed
Zelensky with his Trump 2028hats on it?
No, yeah, so the White Househas a corner with Trump merch?
Yeah, just hats and gaudy grossstuff.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Disgusting for the presidency to have in the office
Exit through the gift shop.
Exactly 100%.
Get a token of remembrance foryour time in the Oval Office.
Oh my God.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
But one of his Trump.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
MAGA hats Put it in the parking lot fool.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Trump 2028.
Wow In the White House rightnow.
That's insane.
Yeah, trump 2028.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Wow In the White House?
Yeah, right now, that's insane.
Yeah, that's insane.
Yeah, well, why would you tryand push the gerrymandering
issue in so many states?
Right, it's because you've gotto trick up your sleeve.
Yeah, you've got to set thestage now so that in the
midterms you can do some crazystuff after the midterm.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Because when you do an amendment to the Constitution
, you need to have what?
Three?
Speaker 1 (32:32):
sixty percent.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
I thought it was like 66 yeah, um, yeah, two-thirds,
two-thirds yeah of states toagree to that.
So if you don't have that, youcan't do a constitutional
amendment that quickly and thenyeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
You have to have a very heavy majority to do this,
and that's what they're tryingto do right now you know.
So, yeah, that, yeah, that'scrazy.
Now I got to go check that out.
I didn't know about that Trumphat.
Yeah, I've been trying to like.
Available in red and white.
I've been trying my hardest to.
I'm in denial over the ideathat he's trying to pull off a
(33:05):
third term type situation.
Now that that's in the samebreath as I've said to other
people, If he gets back into thewhite house he'll never leave
Right, Like he does not intendto leave.
He's going to figure out someway to never leave Right and
I've I've trotted out my ownconspiracy.
I made these up ideas of how hemight try to execute that Right
Um, and I won't get into thoseright now.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
We'll save that for another episode.
Yeah, we'll save it for anotherepisode.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
But, um, I?
But at the same time I wassaying those things with this,
with the breath of hope that,like, but the system works, yeah
, it should stop it.
It from happening, right, likeI, I can't you know the things
I'm saying out loud I can'tbelieve they would come to pass,
but they could come to pass,and so that's what freaks me out
, is hearing something like that.
Right, it's evidence of whatI'm trying to be in denial about
(33:52):
.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
So, ew, yeah, here we are, yeah there we are, yeah
yeah.
It's coming fast and you know,texas just passed their new maps
.
Yeah, so I think either NewYork or I think it was New York
said game on California too.
Yeah, California's already donethat, but now New York's just
kind of jumped on board too.
So, like good, here it is Getdirty Like if you don't get
(34:17):
dirty we're going to have athird Trump term.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Yeah, get dirty.
And I go further into therabble rousing.
This is defining the fracture,for it's not going to be the
north and south in the nextinternal conflict.
It's going to be the blue andred, the left and right.
It's not.
It's not going to begeographically defined and you
know border boundaries like that.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Right and so neighbors and neighbors.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
It's going to be a much uglier situation of
fracturing Right, which, yeah,hmm, how you get out of that?
Because you don't havegeographic contingency to go.
Everything here is this way andeverything there is that way.
You can't do that when it'sfractured the way it's breaking
apart right now, literally atlike a 50 50.
We're gonna go coastal andmiddle right.
Yeah, like, what does that mean?
You know?
Speaker 2 (34:58):
that was one of the things that that yarvin
character that the, uh, thebillionaires follow yeah, he
believes that, uh, we shouldbreak off into like little
kingdoms yes, yeah, youmentioned that east west middle,
things like that and having abillionaire on top of each one.
Yeah, you know, yeah, I want tolive in mediville.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Everybody gets free vr headsets, free meta goggles.
I want alternative realityplease yeah please, king
zuckerberg, make my glasses rosetinted.
Well, if donald trump figuresout how to keep the national
guard there all the way throughyou know the next election then,
(35:38):
yeah, the you know what are yougonna do, right, what?
What can you possibly do?
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (35:43):
okay, we would need them to turn around and take
them off the throne.
Yeah, like, that's what we needyeah, like I mean, if he tries
to sit on the throne, that's whyour military is there.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
That doesn't fucking happen.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Excuse my language, we'll see.
We made it like 35, 40 minuteswithout an.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
F-bomb.
Well, there you go, we'llfinish on that.
Then, right Is the F-bomb andthe sad news that the future of
America is doomed.
Nah, that's why we do thepodcast, because it's not doomed
yet.
No, if we ever go off the airforever, you'll know something
bad happened.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Yeah, there's always things left to do and things to
keep fighting for so yeah, don'tfall into the doom and gloom
and everything Still.
Wake up, look at the blue skyand go forth and do good.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Yeah Well, thanks everybody.
Appreciate you all listening tothis episode and we'll catch
you again next week on Left Face.
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