July 10, 2025 • 39 mins
https://bsky.app/profile/leftfaceco.bsky.social
https://www.facebook.com/epccpv
www.EPCCPV.org or info@epccpv.org
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of
Left Face.
This is the Pikes Peak Regionpodcast, where we talk about
veterans issues, and we have agreat episode for you today.
I'm your co-host, DickWilkinson, and I'm joined, as
always, with Adam Gillard.
Good morning, Adam.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Good morning Dick.
How are you doing buddy?
Speaker 1 (00:15):
I'm doing great we had for our listeners.
We snuck in the crossoverepisode with Justice, with Jax
in the last couple of weeks, sowe hope you enjoyed that.
But we're back to cover thenews items that happened in the
break.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
How much did you unplug while we were away?
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Oh man, so much, so much, it started to freak me out
.
It was like five days of notwatching the news at all and by
the end of that was like I feltlike I lived on another planet.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
You know what I'm saying yeah and like, like we
know with this administration,there's a new scandal every day
so you, yeah, I missed, I missedan entire news cycle for sure.
Yeah, five seasons for sure,yeah, uh, yeah, I drove to
indiana.
So like, while we were driving,you know, I was pretty
unplugged from everything.
So, yeah, yeah, me too I waskind of coming back and and
(01:09):
really just pick up where youleft off.
You just try to have fun andjust like, yeah, come back, just
pick up the bucket of shit thatyou're, yes, yeah that's true.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Um, yeah, it was good , I mean it's good to do that,
so I I encourage it.
But, uh, I, I mean it's good todo that, so I encourage it.
But I definitely kind of youknow the idea with especially
taking leave in the military youwant to take leave for a long
enough time that you want to goback to work, right, right, yeah
, and so I guess that's my.
You know, after five days Iwant to watch the news again,
(01:40):
even if I know it's all terrible.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, right, yeah, but yeah, it's definitely good
to get those breaks and take abreath.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Well, we'll start off with really a crisis of what's
going on in Texas right now.
Over the weekend, on the 4th ofJuly weekend, there was a flood
in Kerrville or in the area ofKerr County.
In the area of Kerrville is theseat of Kerr County and the
Guadalupe river was the theculprit.
(02:09):
Um an insane amount of rain.
I don't know how many inchesfell, but it all fell very fast
and the flood happened overnight.
It was flash flooding and thebig concern there is that it got
it.
It peaked at night, so yeah,yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Even more more scary when you can't really see.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
You just hear that rumble and all of a sudden,
Right, and so the instanceswhere there was camps that were
like permanent camp buildings.
The water just rushed throughthose so fast that it swept
people out of the buildings.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah, and a lot of those camps that, like there's
not a high um, you know yeah,there's no escape point yeah,
right.
Well, there's not a high likeparent to kid ratio oh okay, I
thought you were saying highground.
I'm like, there's not that no,yeah, but but so you, you have
oh yes, there's a lot of kids.
You have a lot of kids out there, yeah experiencing just
(03:01):
nightmare chaos yeah, yeah, andyou know trying to find that
high ground and there's justnothing, because it raised I
can't remember how many feet in,you know a couple hours, but it
was crazy like the amount ofwater that they saw and just how
it cut people off and justwater is so destructive.
Uh, there's actually what'smoving fast for sure yeah new
video of uh going on in newmexico right, I saw that what's
(03:23):
going on?
Speaker 1 (03:24):
we're just a house getting just I saw that video
down the road there.
You know it was floating, youknow, like like a top.
How does a house float.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
But you know, yeah and uh, I mean it takes a very
little bit of water to bedangerous because, living in
arizona where we had themonsoons, yeah, like a couple
inches and your car would betaken off the road.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
So you're talking Swift.
Moving water is super dangerous10 feet of it with like rocks
and logs and stuff like that.
Yeah, it's just Whole treesfloating down through it.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yeah, natural disasters like that, something
that probably could be mitigated, but not like it happens.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
These things happen.
What we missed, though, was thewarning systems that we have in
place for these things.
Yeah, you know, having theNational Weather Service be able
to blast out their warnings ina timely, effective manner would
have saved lives.
Should have, yes.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Should have.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
And even after that didn't happen in a timely manner
.
It still took hours to getpeople moving and doing things.
The entire response was justfeet dragged the whole way.
It seems like it was yeah, andI don't mean to say that like
the people that were there doingit were dragging the feet.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
There's not enough people there, the coordination
and the administration of theresponse.
Yeah, the responders were, youknow were gangbusters for sure.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
But all that overhead that got cut recently, that we
warned that would happen, peoplewould lose their lives over it,
came to fruition.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Well, and in a situation like this it's called
a flash flood for a reason,right, so you have the
conditions that can create it isis identified, you know, maybe
up to 24 hours ahead of time,but then it's a wait and see
kind of thing.
Uh, but you're right there thatthat wait and see is a
coordinated effort to getresources in the right place at
the right time in case it doeshappen.
(05:18):
And that is what appears tomaybe really didn't take place
or unfold in the normal mannerof that, whatever that 24 hour
window is before.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah, that that stuff didn't really happen until the
23rd hour, right when the waterwas already there, you know
because you know again from myexperiences on Tucson, when we
knew stuff like that washappening, they would push it
out on the news and you wouldget the national weather service
warnings and things like thatwithin that day to say, hey,
stay out of the wash yeah, andout of the wash.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
The text message alert for this stuff didn't go
off until like 1 am or somethinglike that.
Right like I, if you got yourphone set where it makes that
terrible amber alert noise, thatprobably woke people up, right,
you know you can turn off amberalerts I do know, yes, yeah you
feel like a shitty person butyou can do, you can.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
I turned it off, I did we had like, because down in
pueblo somebody called in anamber alert because somebody
stole their truck.
He's like oh, my niece was inthe back seat and so they called
in the.
They found the truck prettyquickly.
But uh, yeah, okay, yeah, solike I turned it off.
I was pretty upset but I waslike man, I gotta turn that back
on, just in case.
(06:26):
But man, you know naturaldisasters happen.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
right, we can be prepared, we can be responsive,
but we can't just prevent it.
Right, yeah, and so the thetake on that is preparation and
response.
Are government activities?
Right, and I don't know aboutyou, but the last time I checked
, elected leaders are involvedin coordinating those government
activities, like the governorand the county commissioners and
(07:06):
the mayors.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
those kind of people.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Right.
And so your argument, as wewere kind of setting this topic
up, was when do we politicizecritical failures?
Right, it's one thing to saynature can be full of wrath and
it's something else to say.
And the government missed themark completely on you.
You know whatever needed tohappen in that regard.
(07:29):
So, uh, is it?
You know?
Sort of like if somebody diesand they make a joke and they
say, oh, too soon, right, likehow soon is too soon to dig into
the political problems that areassociated with the response?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
yeah, because people get such a emotional and
visceral reaction, like the andthe media and influences
purposely do this where theytalk about you know the children
that lost their lives and andyou know innocent, you know
lives being, you know familiesdestroyed, things like that.
You know it's there to buildthat up.
But once you peel back thatinitial emotional reaction, why
(08:03):
are we here?
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Why are we standing?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
right here talking about this even.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
And why does that emotional reaction become a
deflection instead of amotivation in the right
direction?
Why does that happen?
It's just a block or of reality, of that you know.
You.
You voted for a reduced posturein the federal government, in
(08:28):
basically every part of thefederal government, to include
emergency management.
And if that you know has cometo pass, and even in just a few
months of firing people andscaling back operations, we're
starting to have naturaldisasters.
Of course that's what happens.
How can you defend andbasically hide behind the fact
that children have been, youknow, impacted and perished in
(08:50):
this disaster and and not say,wait a minute, this disaster
took 27 kids and there couldhave been something done about
it that I would.
Why, you know, I can't do themental gymnastics that's
required to be defensive insteadof motivated to care more about
fixing the problem.
Right, yeah, like I don't dothe mental gymnastics that's
required to be defensive insteadof motivated to care more about
fixing the problem.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Yeah, I don't know if it's a survivor's guilt.
There's some kind of deepseason there that people just
don't want to admit that theyare part of the problem.
On this one, you're alwaysproblem or solution man.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
I guess it's there.
And as far as when, when, howsoon, is too soon.
I think a lot of people,especially if they're actually
impacted directly by it orthey're in the region, or
something.
I think what you're sayingthere of like trying to
determine, could there be anyother explanation?
Could it just be, you know, thewrath of nature?
(09:41):
Could it have been X, y and Z?
And so those people are I don'twant to say this in a negative
way, but they're searching foranswers.
And the last one, it's theleast comfortable one, to say oh
, it's because people mademistakes and the policy is
moving in the wrong direction.
Right, that's not one thatanybody wants to face, you know.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
I mean we need to get to that point because we're
doing irreparable damage,generational damage, you know to
our planet, to our kids.
Um, you know, things like thisare going to have such long
impacts for all those kids yeah,those families affected down
there um, yes, generational,when we have these, these kind
of tragedies and uh, for sure.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Well, and you know, hurricane season is coming right
and, uh, there's already been atropical, uh, depression that
moved in and has put a lot ofrain over on the east coast just
once now, and so there's,that's, that's just going to
keep continuing over the nextfew months.
And so if, if, how many in arow, you know how many terrible
disasters in a row that get badresponses, like, like you said,
(10:45):
when do we politicize or when dowe talk about?
Speaker 2 (10:47):
it finished, uh, responding to helene, yet like
they still need money to helpget them, you know, their
infrastructure fixed and thingslike that in the, you know, the
north carolina hills and thingsyeah uh, but they just got
denied money.
So these communities aredirectly suffering from a cut
fema because they think thatFEMA wasn't doing the job,
(11:08):
because the media sold them thatbill of goods.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
They're not doing their job.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
They are man.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
It's just a very, very hard job, yeah, and you
just lost your house.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
So you're upset.
We want to help you as much aswe can.
You're upset, yeah, you know,like we want to help you as much
as we can, and yeah, it'sthings like that, that, just
that you feel so bad for whenthe kids are involved.
But this is exactly what wethought was going to happen.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Yeah, yeah, and like a minute, like I said a minute
ago, how many times in a row,how many times this year, is
that sort of a year-on-year uhyou know tracker, where you're
like oh, there's only fiveterrible disasters last year.
You know, and I mean the thedeath tolls rise.
Like what's the?
Speaker 2 (11:52):
you know what's the thing that gets people to care
about it right, or put it intotheir thought when it comes time
to vote, I guess, and here'swhat really gets me because,
like when california had arequest for funds for the for
the fires earlier this year,texas said no, hmm, wow, yeah,
yeah, texas voted against givingthem funds for their wildfires
(12:13):
that destroyed LA.
Down there, mexico, theirpresident sent a team to help
rescue people.
Yeah, what a vastly differentapproach to just leading
President Scheinbaum.
Yeah, like what is like vastlydifferent like approach to like
just leading Like PresidentScheinbaum.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Yeah, gloria.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah, yeah, being always adversarial to the Trump
administration, yeah, but stillsent a team there just because
it's human life, that's whatmatters in this moment, and so,
but yeah, again, we can'tpoliticize, we can't sing their
praises no, definitely can't dothat.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Well, um, speaking of hurricanes, uh, that brings us.
You know, we're going to takethat and bend the story now from
, uh, natural disasters toalligator, alcatraz and florida,
um, just the, that's the, ourlead-in to a topic about ice and
the progression of everythingthat's going on in that uh,
(13:11):
federal movement.
We'll call it yeah, it's uh.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
I've already seen stories coming out about just
you know, maggot filled foodlike horrific conditions, just
just people, uh, just not inhumane conditions, and I mean
this is week one.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah, I haven't really seen.
I didn't know if the facilitywas open yet or not, so I
haven't watched the storiessince last week when the
headline first came out.
So yeah, they've got people inthere.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Now, that was my understanding from what I read.
There was actually occupants,yeah, down there and they're
already suffering from, you know, huge mosquitoes like they.
Just I don't know if anybody'sever slept in a like a room with
one mosquito.
Yeah, like just an open prisonand like the like.
Just the terrible things thatcan mosquitoes can bring into
(14:02):
those and transfer them soquickly.
Yeah, like it's going to bemass bodies Like this is how,
like holocausts happen.
Like you put people in thesetight little spots and just
whatever happens happens.
Yeah, no, like I've been toAuschwitz, like I've stood in
that room that's like 10 by 10and held like 100 people in it,
(14:22):
you know, and like, and they hadone little vent at the top
where they would get to breatheand if you fell you just died.
People just stood on top of you.
It's horrific.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
And we are lining up people to go to these facilities
and we're building thesefacilities, we're reopening
facilities around town way backin January when or maybe it
(14:50):
knows November right after theelection, we discussed that the
for-profit prison, likeinvestment indexes and like the
companies, you know their valuesthere if they were traded yeah,
went up Right.
I mean it was yeah, and it wassort of that like here it comes,
well, here%, or something.
I mean it was yeah, and it wassort of that like here it comes,
well, here it is.
You know it.
Actually it didn't take longfor it to arrive.
(15:10):
That money must have fell outof the sky, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Well, I mean, we saw what ICE budget ballooned to
it's more than you know thefederal prison systems and
things like that, you know.
So ice has a huge budget rightnow.
Yeah, um, the aclu just did afor freedom of information
request and they got a list oflike six different facilities in
colorado that ice is looking touh reopen.
(15:34):
Okay, um, two here locally incolorado springs, uh, facilities
, that one facility that closeddown a while ago, the cheyenne
mountain complex, or somethinglike that it down a while ago,
the Cheyenne Mountain Complex orsomething like that.
It was a prison that closed downearlier, and then a nursing
home that they're also lookingat, and so we're going to have
these camps being built righthere in our backyard.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
And the total head count for the state was 100,000
detainee bed count.
That's crazy and we have asheriff count for the state was
a hundred thousand detainee likebed, bed count.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Yeah, yeah, that's crazy.
Yeah, and we have a sheriffthat's already promoting how
proud he is of catching 19people.
That are getting deported andyou know, and they had a list of
crimes and things that theywere being charged with, but I
don't think those ever went totrial.
I think they're just droppingthose and kicking them out.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Story update there.
The Trump administration justcame out straight up and said if
he's relieved from prison, wewill deport him again.
Like, don't let him out,because we'll just pick him up
right outside the facility andput him on an airplane.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Some other folks that I know have about all of these,
the ICE folks, and to ourNational Guard and military
folks.
They don't understand that oncean order's or maybe they do and
they just don't give a shit, Idon't know Once an order's
deemed illegal, especiallythrough the courts like this,
(17:06):
which this would be an illegalorder, you are not protected
Civilly.
Criminally you are notprotected like civilly, like,
like you know, criminally youare not protected.
You will be held accountableand liable for those things.
And so, even if you don't getcharged, you know criminally for
that.
If that family identifies youas the person that stole their
husband, your father, they cansue you civilly and you can be
(17:30):
you know charged Wow.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
So like, and that's why they're all wearing masks
and they're all wearing masks,yeah and like, and I should tell
you you're not making ethicaldecisions.
Yeah, if you can't wear a nametape and you have to hide your
face.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
You're a goon yeah.
Yeah, Literally you know you'rea goon.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Yeah, just horrific that we're going to be.
We already have the sheriff onboard with this.
I'm sure that the police theCSPD chief is the mayor is
probably not going to doanything or say anything to stop
this, which is we talked aboutbefore.
It's just kind of always adisappointment with them.
(18:07):
But people need to stand up,because if people stand up, ice
backs down.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Yes, and there's a recent example of that.
It's on the news cycle rightnow in LA Armored vehicles and
horses.
I showed up on armored vehiclesand horses and just rolled into
a park in LA Daytime yesterday,just broad daylight, like one
or two o'clock in the afternoon.
They just surrounded a park.
(18:37):
Yeah, why, you know what I mean.
Like is it was there.
Just how?
How do you just walk up to?
Are they just walking up togroups of people and like
instigating?
Speaker 2 (18:50):
is what's the deal?
You know?
Speaker 1 (18:51):
like, right, I can't imagine the operation, like
being an army dude.
What was the we call operationorder?
What was the op board on?
Like we're going to the park,why?
What's the mission?
What are we going to do when weget there?
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, what's the target?
What's the reason?
You know, I can't think of onethat would make sense, unless it
was like hey, we've got intelthat there's going to literally
(19:13):
be a gang meeting or a gangfight or something like that,
and so we're going to show upwhere we think there's going to
be a high concentration ofcriminals.
There's no indication thatanything like that is what was
going on.
It was more of a show of force,absolutely.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
It was intimidation.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Yeah, and so here's what happened.
Absolutely, it was intimidation.
Yeah, and so here's whathappened.
The citizens just startedchasing them out of the park and
they started yelling at the icepeople and yelling at the
people on the horses, and theback doors of the armored
vehicles were open and they justwere riding in the back and it
seemed like within just a fewminutes they chased them out of
(19:50):
there, man, because there was noviolence going on, there was
nothing on fire, and so therewas no rules of engagement-wise
for the ICE agents.
What can you do?
You know what I'm saying Ifthere's nothing criminal going
on right in front of you, youcan't fight with these people.
You can't shoot them withrubber bullets or hit them with
(20:13):
batons like what you know, right?
So they just left right and themayor showed up and just called
it what it was.
She's like this is a anegregious show of force.
It's just basically to makepeople afraid to go out and
enjoy the city.
There was nothing going on here.
There's no violence.
You know there may be more thatcomes out on both sides of the
story, but right now it lookspretty much cut and dry.
(20:36):
You know, a show of force gotrejected by the local population
and it worked yeah, and it wasa clear violation of the posse.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Comatose, yeah, yeah, it's clear violation of that.
Uh, I think they're trying toum use, like the vehicles and
the ice agents, as you know,federal property, so you know,
having the guard around them.
Yeah, uh, as a you know, aroaming federal property type of
definition but if theinsurrection act hasn't been
declared, again you have zeroprotection as like a troop, like
(21:11):
right now you guys have zeroprotection, like on the legal
side of things, with that beingnot not being declared, without
the insurrection act beingdeclared right now you're just
being, you're following illegalorders the uh backstop of
pardons is the, you know, yeahyou know, I mean this is kind of
(21:32):
a sidebar.
Uh, you know, we keep talkingabout like the red line for
folks like what is gonna?
Is there gonna be a singularmoment where people wake up and
be like, okay, that's too far?
Speaker 1 (21:42):
I, honestly, if I was at a park and federal agents
just showed up and posted up,that would, that would be the
red line for me.
Like, honestly, I mean I'm not100% against, um, the detention
type operations that arehappening.
I'm not 100% against it.
I don't think they're goingwell, I don't think they're
being done in a, like you say,legal or or tactful way.
(22:06):
But do I, am I against the ideaof trying to find criminal,
illegal people and try and getthem out of the country?
No, not necessarily.
But what that is, you know,showing up to a park with just
gear, you know, heavy, heavyweapons and poking.
That's not.
They just they just want topoke people.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
That would be.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
That crosses the line for me as just a citizen, you
know.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Yeah, just a citizen, you know, yeah, I mean that's.
You know, when you read ourfounding documentation, you know
it's things like that thatstarted a lot of this.
You know, having militarypresence in our city yeah, just
just martial law trying toimpose.
You know their footprint of,you know the foreign government
at that time, but you know um,so one thing that's kind of come
out recently too, uh, is thenew party, the american party oh
(22:52):
, yeah, yeah, we didn't textenough about that.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
We should.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
We should have spent all day talking about that, but
we didn't, yeah so before eloneven started that, he went and
talked to that yarvin guru guyokay and so right there that
that like worries me so much.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I'm not sure I know who that is, so he's a guy that,
uh, he has a lot of influenceover all the billionaires and
peter teal and all that okay uh,and he really believes more in
a monarchy system.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
So breaking up the us into like different kingdoms
and having each billionaire runtheir own little king, okay,
okay um, so like back to the,you know the feudal systems and
things like that yeah uh, andyeah, so he, he's a very, very
influential person on like withthose guys, sure.
So which immediately makes mejust kind of like anything that
(23:41):
Musk does just makes me nauseous, like I get like he's just
buying Twitter all over again.
He's trying to buy his way intoshit.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
And he's still a Nazi piece of shit Like I can't yeah
.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Like I can't.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
You know man.
But I do love the third partyidea.
I know, I know that's it.
I have to decide if I'm such athird party zealot that I'll get
in bed with basically Satanhimself to get funded so that I
could run for office in a thirdparty.
Like you know, I, I love it atface value, but then as soon as
(24:17):
you crack open the details andyou're like, well, it's Elon
Musk and it's this and it's this, and you're like, oh man, I
still, I still think I, maybe Iwant to do it.
You know.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
I just won't be an asshole.
Yeah, right, right.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
That's it.
Yeah, but you, you know hetalks about primary and people
that you know in other partiesthat he has no control over.
Imagine if you're in his ownlittle personal back pocket
party like you can't run againif he you know you're going to
follow his orders, basically.
But I think the strategy herelet's talk about the value of
the third party strategy thathe's laid out, regardless of who
he is.
Let's take that part and pausethat for a minute and let's just
talk about his vision, which Iam excited about.
(25:01):
The House and Senate are oftenso close to a 50-50 balance and
have been so often for the last100 years that a hundred years
that a handful of votes one wayor the other is usually the
tipping point for a lot oflegislation.
So if you can sprinkle in yourparty and basically take away
(25:21):
that margin of handful of voteswhere right now, like two
senators don't vote forsomething and then the vice
president can come in and splitthe tie right, if you have three
or four senators that are inthis other party, then you don't
get that.
You have to court those people,right, and they have to pull
you back to whatever middle orlibertarian or whatever position
(25:44):
they're in.
They're going to pull thingsback that way, Right?
That's the idea.
And so having two, three Senateseats is his first look, you
know, like in 26, I think, tryto run two or three Senate seats
and eight to 10 House seats,and that that's enough to split
that 50-50 margin most of thetime and cause real, you know,
(26:07):
breaking down some partisanmentalities and like these 30,
40 year long agendas can'treally survive in the face of
this, like mediator, if you will.
And so that's the idea, youknow.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Yeah, but if you're, if you're putting people into
those positions you know, beingElon Musk, he's going to look
for far right people.
Well, like you, look at AFD andthe folks that he would support
in other races.
Yeah, he's looking to bankrollfar right people.
Well, like you, look at AFD andthe folks that he would support
in other races.
Yeah, he's looking to bankrollfar right people.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Maybe I mean.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
I don't know, maybe Another thing when you're
talking getting these peopleelected and hoping they have a
backbone to, you know, do thingslike folks that are elected now
don't have backbones to like,stand up to different parties.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
But that's the point is that you know your sugar
daddy's got your back and so youdon't have to play the game of
like.
Let's make sure mitch mcconnelldoesn't get mad at me because
he's got 60 billion dollars inhis war chest and so I need to
make sure I keep drinking out ofhis fire hose.
That's that's.
You know that that's.
It gets that whole party downinto a field teaty position.
(27:11):
Right, Just like they are rightnow.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Right, Well, you're just changing the puppet master
at the end of the rope, butthree puppet masters makes a
good difference.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Is my point right?
Like that's the whole point,right?
Is that?
Yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yes, I think that the radical thing that needs to
happen is get rid of CitizensUnited so that, like normal
people can actually runcampaigns and actually not have
to get funded by billionaires tobe effective.
Yeah, because I meaneverything's going to come at a
cost when you're doing stufflike that.
Yeah, but getting rid ofCitizens United would save our
democracy.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Yeah, I mean I think you're not wrong that the way
that super PACs are set up isvery undemocratic, right, it
really reduces the power of theindividual voter or the, you
know.
I guess the, the, even theparties themselves, you know,
get kind of abused by the waythis PAC system is set up.
(28:04):
So yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Yeah, yeah, cause everybody cowcows to them.
Now you know.
So it's, yeah, it's a terribleterrible.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
It's not a great setup, no, um, no, and maybe a
third party would be able toforce the issue and say this is
the thing, that's the worstthing there is.
And if you can't address this inyour pork barrel bill, if you
can't get my pork in that barrel, well then we understand what's
going on.
You know what I'm saying, andso we're going to fix this right
(28:31):
, and I mean you.
And again, if you get that tinypiece of either house, that's
what you get to do, and that'swhat in other political systems
that have more parliamentary,where they got like four or five
parties right, the the, the toptwo will be the sort of like
large interest parties, and thenyou'll have two or three in
there that are just ultrafocused on like one or two
(28:52):
topics like agriculture, right,you know, and it's like, hey,
all we care about is making surethat the farms keep operating
right, and that's our biggestfocus is is managing
agricultural industry in germanyor whatever, and so they've got
like 10 seats in parliament,you know, and that this could be
something like that, right yeah, it's almost like taking the.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Uh, it'd be tech instead of the lobbyist like
different lobbyist industry yeahsections and having them back
their own parties.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
That's what happens in parliamentary systems
sometimes.
Yeah, like you have the beefparty.
Yeah, yeah yeah, the beef partyI want to join the beef party
I'm from texas um, I don't eatthat much beef, but it's in my
blood.
Literally.
I can't donate blood anymorebecause I ate too much beef in
England and so you know, rightyeah.
So beef is literally in myblood, so that one's that rats
(29:44):
itself.
So well, that's the thing.
Once we have a third party,I'll splinter that off and have
the fourth party right and it'llbe the beef party, right, or
whatever.
So, because once you do it likethen, there's no end, right?
Speaker 2 (29:56):
so yeah, yeah, you, you hope that would snowball
because, yeah, we need the, thediversity of people, like
willing to have diverse opinions.
You know, right now everybodyon both sides is just this falls
in line.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
You know you have a couple dissers, but overall
there's nothing getting done,and that's my point is that if
you can split that up a littlebit and give either party some
room to breathe and be like, oh,if we court them, then we get
to step out of line a little bit, but it's not the end of our
political career or whatever,because we still get to get
something over the line Morenegotiation, more collaboration.
Well, let's shift gears to ourlast topic, um, since you know,
(30:33):
I don't think a third party isgoing to end ice detention
centers anytime soon.
So let's let's move over to alittle bit of a different story
where we're going to talk aboutthe media, uh, as the subject of
the story to some degree, butwe're going to look at it
through a couple of recentthings that have the cycle on
(30:57):
CNN and MSNBC.
So it seems to be a bit of abias slant right now is that
last week, secretary Hegsethpaused shipment of weapons to
the Ukraine conflict and thatthere was some material impact
from that, that President Trumpdid not know about it and that
it was an order that was givenas sort of a rogue order.
(31:18):
And so they bring it up topresident Trump yesterday and
start asking him questions likedid you authorize this?
Did you know about this?
Was there a strategy associatedwith this?
And his he just flat out said Idon't know what you're talking
about.
Like I didn't do that and thatdidn't happen, Right.
And so the news pushed back andsaid well, it certainly did
happen.
And he said nothing got paused,nothing stopped, certainly did
(31:40):
happen.
And he said nothing got paused,nothing stopped.
If there was an order given, itwas not executed and that's it,
like there's no story here.
I don't want to say I agreewith Donald Trump, but I believe
that what he's saying is truein that I don't think anything
stopped.
I don't think, in the course ofyou know, less than five days
of whatever churn in in thedepartment of defense, that
(32:02):
there was some material impactto how much weapons got to.
You know the conflict.
So trump's not wrong in sayingnothing.
There nothing really happened.
But then it's also not untruethat the secretary of defense
may have given that order andtrump didn't know about it yeah,
because he definitely has theauthority, um but, but it is
funny that even in his circlethere's really no delegation in
(32:26):
that circle.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
No, like everything has to run through him, like
there's a single point that allinformation or decisions need to
go through.
And so, even like the questionor the thought that a decision
was made that he didn't knowabout, he's like, no, that
wouldn't happen.
Decision was made that hedidn't know about, he was like,
no, that wouldn't happen?
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Yeah, that didn't happen.
Yeah, which in and of itself iskind of should like make you
kind of tingle a little bit likeyeah yeah, well, he does
understand what the Secretary ofDefense is actually allowed to
do, maybe, but and I don't thinkthat the Secretary of Defense
knows either, I think he's justlike, if say it, they'll
(33:05):
probably do it.
Right, you know, like it's not,uh, because it's based on this
like great storied merit ofunderstanding of the you know
dod, right, um, but anyways, uh,my take on it is that the media
is trying to hound this um asanother, like black eye for pete
hegseth or as a black eye forthe administration.
And I think Trump's statementof nobody's eyes black what are
you talking about?
Right, that's actually theright, that's the true story
(33:29):
right now is nobody's eyes black, and so that's.
It's a little bit frustratingfor me to see that and say you
know, isn't we got enough news?
You don't have to make upstories.
Right, you don't have to spendtime on something if there's
really nothing to talk about.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Yeah, yeah, cause there's like every day there's a
new shiny new story, thatthat's there.
So, having something like thisat the same time that his DOJ
came out and said that theEpstein files didn't don't exist
, or the list doesn't exist.
Yeah, like, why are we nottalking about?
Speaker 1 (33:58):
that.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Like how is that not the first thing?
We've been talking about thisfor years?
Yes, he said he was going torelease the list.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
He did.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
His attorney general said that it was on her desk.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
I think that's the most damning part of the whole
story is that she acknowledgedthe existence of the list in
that statement, right, and now Iknow that they're backpedaling
and that they're trying to playwordsmith and word weave, 4d
chess, 4d backgammon, but that'swhat Trump's trying to do with
(34:30):
this.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
But Pam.
Bondi flat out said the list ison my desk, and that was only
four months ago.
Yeah, and we've seen the courtreports where it's John Doe 174
and things like that, oh yeahright, like they have a list of,
like one, like they have toline that up.
Well, it's either fromprosecutors.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
even if it wasn't Jeffrey Epstein that put it
together himself, that couldhave been the prosecutorial list
, which was still consideredevidence, right, like it came
from evidence.
So they didn't make it up.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Yeah, they weren't just like grabbing the white
pages and pulling names out ofthere like, yeah, they had
evidence against epstein,obviously.
Uh, and where is it?
Yep?
And so many like maga folks arekind of like like recognizing
some things about their, theirgreat leader here, um, and some
of them are swallowing that pilland saying like, well, hey, he
might have done some bad things,but he's called to action by
(35:24):
God and he's going to executeChrist's will here.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Yeah, the justification engine is on full
blast around the story, yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Like so many of these stories, like people just have
to keep jumping through thesehoops to get themselves to
believe that they didn't electthe Antichrist.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Yeah, Like.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
I hate to break it to you, but he checks a lot of
boxes.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Well, and you know, maybe the media would have been
better to cover that story thanhey.
Did Pete Hegseth do somethingthat he's allowed to do?
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Yeah, yeah, I mean the whole, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
I mean the whole.
I'd rather hear a news storyabout you know?
Here's proof that Trump is theAntichrist which.
I wouldn't believe and I don'tthink that, but I'd rather see
that on TV than you know.
A 15-minute spot on Hegseth youknow.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Well, see what sucks now is.
We could have video of himshaking hands with Satan and
they'd be like, oh, it's AI.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
No man, he's got seven fingers.
Check it, yeah, check again.
Yeah, that's the heat, it's thewaves of the heat coming off of
satan's hand.
That's what it is.
Uh, but the you know.
I guess my takeaway from thatpoint is is that, come on, media
, do a little bit better.
Yeah, let's, let's get to thebottom of the you know epstein
thing, whether I don't actuallycare about that, other than I
care about it from the noveltyof the story that it has become,
not because of the originalstory, more of the story about
(36:47):
the story like, like the OJtrial is its own story.
Right, they made them.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
No, no Having like a ultra elite class of sexual
offenders running around theworld Like I'm concerned.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
I guess I'm saying I'm not, I don't know if the
list will exist, will ever exist, whatever that type of evidence
stuff, I mean the whether it isthe fact that he was operating
that type of enterprise.
Yes, I care about that.
No, I don't care about thestory of like, whether or not
the conspiracy stuff, that pieceof it, you know all those
things.
That's what I'm saying.
Like, I don't care so muchabout getting to the bottom of
that conspiracy, um, because Ijust I don't think we will, you
(37:24):
know I guess at this point, yeah, like I'll go out on a limb and
say, like he's probably alivesomewhere.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Yeah, I think that minute of most missing footage
because they released 10 hoursof footage a minute missing.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
I think that's what I mean he did on an island, right
right, they put a body in there.
Right right, they call itEpstein's Island, so have we
checked.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
There's one guy living there.
Where's the overall?
He's like a custodian.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Yeah, yeah have we checked Epstein's Island, you
know.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Yeah, it's just.
It'd be nice to have somebodythat you respect enough in
office to not even have thesekind of questions.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Yeah, oh sure.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
He's been cursing more in office.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
We do like to end the show on a sad note.
So you're right, let's bring itdown a little bit, just the way
he's been carrying himself inoffice.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Him and JD, both have just been kind of just so gross
.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Very brash, yeah, they're cursing more.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
They're obviously never.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Not stately.
They're not stately, yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
So it's just kind of a shame how far the office has
fallen in a couple presidencies.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Yeah, here we are, there we are yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
That's true.
Pumping circumstance right,that's.
You know, Name the game now.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
And fried chicken, I like mine on tacos.
Yeah, yeah, nice.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Well, I think that does it for us this week on Left
Face.
Thanks everyone for listeningand we will catch you next week.
All right, bye.
Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of
Left Face.
This is the Pikes Peak Regionpodcast, where we talk about
veterans issues, and we have agreat episode for you today.
I'm your co-host, DickWilkinson, and I'm joined, as
always, with Adam Gillard.
Good morning, Adam.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Good morning Dick.
How are you doing buddy?
Speaker 1 (00:15):
I'm doing great we had for our listeners.
We snuck in the crossoverepisode with Justice, with Jax
in the last couple of weeks, sowe hope you enjoyed that.
But we're back to cover thenews items that happened in the
break.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
How much did you unplug while we were away?
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Oh man, so much, so much, it started to freak me out
.
It was like five days of notwatching the news at all and by
the end of that was like I feltlike I lived on another planet.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
You know what I'm saying yeah and like, like we
know with this administration,there's a new scandal every day
so you, yeah, I missed, I missedan entire news cycle for sure.
Yeah, five seasons for sure,yeah, uh, yeah, I drove to
indiana.
So like, while we were driving,you know, I was pretty
unplugged from everything.
So, yeah, yeah, me too I waskind of coming back and and
(01:09):
really just pick up where youleft off.
You just try to have fun andjust like, yeah, come back, just
pick up the bucket of shit thatyou're, yes, yeah that's true.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Um, yeah, it was good , I mean it's good to do that,
so I I encourage it.
But, uh, I, I mean it's good todo that, so I encourage it.
But I definitely kind of youknow the idea with especially
taking leave in the military youwant to take leave for a long
enough time that you want to goback to work, right, right, yeah
, and so I guess that's my.
You know, after five days Iwant to watch the news again,
(01:40):
even if I know it's all terrible.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, right, yeah, but yeah, it's definitely good
to get those breaks and take abreath.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Well, we'll start off with really a crisis of what's
going on in Texas right now.
Over the weekend, on the 4th ofJuly weekend, there was a flood
in Kerrville or in the area ofKerr County.
In the area of Kerrville is theseat of Kerr County and the
Guadalupe river was the theculprit.
(02:09):
Um an insane amount of rain.
I don't know how many inchesfell, but it all fell very fast
and the flood happened overnight.
It was flash flooding and thebig concern there is that it got
it.
It peaked at night, so yeah,yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Even more more scary when you can't really see.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
You just hear that rumble and all of a sudden,
Right, and so the instanceswhere there was camps that were
like permanent camp buildings.
The water just rushed throughthose so fast that it swept
people out of the buildings.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah, and a lot of those camps that, like there's
not a high um, you know yeah,there's no escape point yeah,
right.
Well, there's not a high likeparent to kid ratio oh okay, I
thought you were saying highground.
I'm like, there's not that no,yeah, but but so you, you have
oh yes, there's a lot of kids.
You have a lot of kids out there, yeah experiencing just
(03:01):
nightmare chaos yeah, yeah, andyou know trying to find that
high ground and there's justnothing, because it raised I
can't remember how many feet in,you know a couple hours, but it
was crazy like the amount ofwater that they saw and just how
it cut people off and justwater is so destructive.
Uh, there's actually what'smoving fast for sure yeah new
video of uh going on in newmexico right, I saw that what's
(03:23):
going on?
Speaker 1 (03:24):
we're just a house getting just I saw that video
down the road there.
You know it was floating, youknow, like like a top.
How does a house float.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
But you know, yeah and uh, I mean it takes a very
little bit of water to bedangerous because, living in
arizona where we had themonsoons, yeah, like a couple
inches and your car would betaken off the road.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
So you're talking Swift.
Moving water is super dangerous10 feet of it with like rocks
and logs and stuff like that.
Yeah, it's just Whole treesfloating down through it.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yeah, natural disasters like that, something
that probably could be mitigated, but not like it happens.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
These things happen.
What we missed, though, was thewarning systems that we have in
place for these things.
Yeah, you know, having theNational Weather Service be able
to blast out their warnings ina timely, effective manner would
have saved lives.
Should have, yes.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Should have.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
And even after that didn't happen in a timely manner
.
It still took hours to getpeople moving and doing things.
The entire response was justfeet dragged the whole way.
It seems like it was yeah, andI don't mean to say that like
the people that were there doingit were dragging the feet.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
There's not enough people there, the coordination
and the administration of theresponse.
Yeah, the responders were, youknow were gangbusters for sure.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
But all that overhead that got cut recently, that we
warned that would happen, peoplewould lose their lives over it,
came to fruition.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Well, and in a situation like this it's called
a flash flood for a reason,right, so you have the
conditions that can create it isis identified, you know, maybe
up to 24 hours ahead of time,but then it's a wait and see
kind of thing.
Uh, but you're right there thatthat wait and see is a
coordinated effort to getresources in the right place at
the right time in case it doeshappen.
(05:18):
And that is what appears tomaybe really didn't take place
or unfold in the normal mannerof that, whatever that 24 hour
window is before.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah, that that stuff didn't really happen until the
23rd hour, right when the waterwas already there, you know
because you know again from myexperiences on Tucson, when we
knew stuff like that washappening, they would push it
out on the news and you wouldget the national weather service
warnings and things like thatwithin that day to say, hey,
stay out of the wash yeah, andout of the wash.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
The text message alert for this stuff didn't go
off until like 1 am or somethinglike that.
Right like I, if you got yourphone set where it makes that
terrible amber alert noise, thatprobably woke people up, right,
you know you can turn off amberalerts I do know, yes, yeah you
feel like a shitty person butyou can do, you can.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
I turned it off, I did we had like, because down in
pueblo somebody called in anamber alert because somebody
stole their truck.
He's like oh, my niece was inthe back seat and so they called
in the.
They found the truck prettyquickly.
But uh, yeah, okay, yeah, solike I turned it off.
I was pretty upset but I waslike man, I gotta turn that back
on, just in case.
(06:26):
But man, you know naturaldisasters happen.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
right, we can be prepared, we can be responsive,
but we can't just prevent it.
Right, yeah, and so the thetake on that is preparation and
response.
Are government activities?
Right, and I don't know aboutyou, but the last time I checked
, elected leaders are involvedin coordinating those government
activities, like the governorand the county commissioners and
(07:06):
the mayors.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
those kind of people.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Right.
And so your argument, as wewere kind of setting this topic
up, was when do we politicizecritical failures?
Right, it's one thing to saynature can be full of wrath and
it's something else to say.
And the government missed themark completely on you.
You know whatever needed tohappen in that regard.
(07:29):
So, uh, is it?
You know?
Sort of like if somebody diesand they make a joke and they
say, oh, too soon, right, likehow soon is too soon to dig into
the political problems that areassociated with the response?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
yeah, because people get such a emotional and
visceral reaction, like the andthe media and influences
purposely do this where theytalk about you know the children
that lost their lives and andyou know innocent, you know
lives being, you know familiesdestroyed, things like that.
You know it's there to buildthat up.
But once you peel back thatinitial emotional reaction, why
(08:03):
are we here?
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Why are we standing?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
right here talking about this even.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
And why does that emotional reaction become a
deflection instead of amotivation in the right
direction?
Why does that happen?
It's just a block or of reality, of that you know.
You.
You voted for a reduced posturein the federal government, in
(08:28):
basically every part of thefederal government, to include
emergency management.
And if that you know has cometo pass, and even in just a few
months of firing people andscaling back operations, we're
starting to have naturaldisasters.
Of course that's what happens.
How can you defend andbasically hide behind the fact
that children have been, youknow, impacted and perished in
(08:50):
this disaster and and not say,wait a minute, this disaster
took 27 kids and there couldhave been something done about
it that I would.
Why, you know, I can't do themental gymnastics that's
required to be defensive insteadof motivated to care more about
fixing the problem.
Right, yeah, like I don't dothe mental gymnastics that's
required to be defensive insteadof motivated to care more about
fixing the problem.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Yeah, I don't know if it's a survivor's guilt.
There's some kind of deepseason there that people just
don't want to admit that theyare part of the problem.
On this one, you're alwaysproblem or solution man.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
I guess it's there.
And as far as when, when, howsoon, is too soon.
I think a lot of people,especially if they're actually
impacted directly by it orthey're in the region, or
something.
I think what you're sayingthere of like trying to
determine, could there be anyother explanation?
Could it just be, you know, thewrath of nature?
(09:41):
Could it have been X, y and Z?
And so those people are I don'twant to say this in a negative
way, but they're searching foranswers.
And the last one, it's theleast comfortable one, to say oh
, it's because people mademistakes and the policy is
moving in the wrong direction.
Right, that's not one thatanybody wants to face, you know.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
I mean we need to get to that point because we're
doing irreparable damage,generational damage, you know to
our planet, to our kids.
Um, you know, things like thisare going to have such long
impacts for all those kids yeah,those families affected down
there um, yes, generational,when we have these, these kind
of tragedies and uh, for sure.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Well, and you know, hurricane season is coming right
and, uh, there's already been atropical, uh, depression that
moved in and has put a lot ofrain over on the east coast just
once now, and so there's,that's, that's just going to
keep continuing over the nextfew months.
And so if, if, how many in arow, you know how many terrible
disasters in a row that get badresponses, like, like you said,
(10:45):
when do we politicize or when dowe talk about?
Speaker 2 (10:47):
it finished, uh, responding to helene, yet like
they still need money to helpget them, you know, their
infrastructure fixed and thingslike that in the, you know, the
north carolina hills and thingsyeah uh, but they just got
denied money.
So these communities aredirectly suffering from a cut
fema because they think thatFEMA wasn't doing the job,
(11:08):
because the media sold them thatbill of goods.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
They're not doing their job.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
They are man.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
It's just a very, very hard job, yeah, and you
just lost your house.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
So you're upset.
We want to help you as much aswe can.
You're upset, yeah, you know,like we want to help you as much
as we can, and yeah, it'sthings like that, that, just
that you feel so bad for whenthe kids are involved.
But this is exactly what wethought was going to happen.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Yeah, yeah, and like a minute, like I said a minute
ago, how many times in a row,how many times this year, is
that sort of a year-on-year uhyou know tracker, where you're
like oh, there's only fiveterrible disasters last year.
You know, and I mean the thedeath tolls rise.
Like what's the?
Speaker 2 (11:52):
you know what's the thing that gets people to care
about it right, or put it intotheir thought when it comes time
to vote, I guess, and here'swhat really gets me because,
like when california had arequest for funds for the for
the fires earlier this year,texas said no, hmm, wow, yeah,
yeah, texas voted against givingthem funds for their wildfires
(12:13):
that destroyed LA.
Down there, mexico, theirpresident sent a team to help
rescue people.
Yeah, what a vastly differentapproach to just leading
President Scheinbaum.
Yeah, like what is like vastlydifferent like approach to like
just leading Like PresidentScheinbaum.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Yeah, gloria.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah, yeah, being always adversarial to the Trump
administration, yeah, but stillsent a team there just because
it's human life, that's whatmatters in this moment, and so,
but yeah, again, we can'tpoliticize, we can't sing their
praises no, definitely can't dothat.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Well, um, speaking of hurricanes, uh, that brings us.
You know, we're going to takethat and bend the story now from
, uh, natural disasters toalligator, alcatraz and florida,
um, just the, that's the, ourlead-in to a topic about ice and
the progression of everythingthat's going on in that uh,
(13:11):
federal movement.
We'll call it yeah, it's uh.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
I've already seen stories coming out about just
you know, maggot filled foodlike horrific conditions, just
just people, uh, just not inhumane conditions, and I mean
this is week one.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah, I haven't really seen.
I didn't know if the facilitywas open yet or not, so I
haven't watched the storiessince last week when the
headline first came out.
So yeah, they've got people inthere.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Now, that was my understanding from what I read.
There was actually occupants,yeah, down there and they're
already suffering from, you know, huge mosquitoes like they.
Just I don't know if anybody'sever slept in a like a room with
one mosquito.
Yeah, like just an open prisonand like the like.
Just the terrible things thatcan mosquitoes can bring into
(14:02):
those and transfer them soquickly.
Yeah, like it's going to bemass bodies Like this is how,
like holocausts happen.
Like you put people in thesetight little spots and just
whatever happens happens.
Yeah, no, like I've been toAuschwitz, like I've stood in
that room that's like 10 by 10and held like 100 people in it,
(14:22):
you know, and like, and they hadone little vent at the top
where they would get to breatheand if you fell you just died.
People just stood on top of you.
It's horrific.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
And we are lining up people to go to these facilities
and we're building thesefacilities, we're reopening
facilities around town way backin January when or maybe it
(14:50):
knows November right after theelection, we discussed that the
for-profit prison, likeinvestment indexes and like the
companies, you know their valuesthere if they were traded yeah,
went up Right.
I mean it was yeah, and it wassort of that like here it comes,
well, here%, or something.
I mean it was yeah, and it wassort of that like here it comes,
well, here it is.
You know it.
Actually it didn't take longfor it to arrive.
(15:10):
That money must have fell outof the sky, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Well, I mean, we saw what ICE budget ballooned to
it's more than you know thefederal prison systems and
things like that, you know.
So ice has a huge budget rightnow.
Yeah, um, the aclu just did afor freedom of information
request and they got a list oflike six different facilities in
colorado that ice is looking touh reopen.
(15:34):
Okay, um, two here locally incolorado springs, uh, facilities
, that one facility that closeddown a while ago, the cheyenne
mountain complex, or somethinglike that it down a while ago,
the Cheyenne Mountain Complex orsomething like that.
It was a prison that closed downearlier, and then a nursing
home that they're also lookingat, and so we're going to have
these camps being built righthere in our backyard.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
And the total head count for the state was 100,000
detainee bed count.
That's crazy and we have asheriff count for the state was
a hundred thousand detainee likebed, bed count.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Yeah, yeah, that's crazy.
Yeah, and we have a sheriffthat's already promoting how
proud he is of catching 19people.
That are getting deported andyou know, and they had a list of
crimes and things that theywere being charged with, but I
don't think those ever went totrial.
I think they're just droppingthose and kicking them out.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Story update there.
The Trump administration justcame out straight up and said if
he's relieved from prison, wewill deport him again.
Like, don't let him out,because we'll just pick him up
right outside the facility andput him on an airplane.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Some other folks that I know have about all of these,
the ICE folks, and to ourNational Guard and military
folks.
They don't understand that oncean order's or maybe they do and
they just don't give a shit, Idon't know Once an order's
deemed illegal, especiallythrough the courts like this,
(17:06):
which this would be an illegalorder, you are not protected
Civilly.
Criminally you are notprotected like civilly, like,
like you know, criminally youare not protected.
You will be held accountableand liable for those things.
And so, even if you don't getcharged, you know criminally for
that.
If that family identifies youas the person that stole their
husband, your father, they cansue you civilly and you can be
(17:30):
you know charged Wow.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
So like, and that's why they're all wearing masks
and they're all wearing masks,yeah and like, and I should tell
you you're not making ethicaldecisions.
Yeah, if you can't wear a nametape and you have to hide your
face.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
You're a goon yeah.
Yeah, Literally you know you'rea goon.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Yeah, just horrific that we're going to be.
We already have the sheriff onboard with this.
I'm sure that the police theCSPD chief is the mayor is
probably not going to doanything or say anything to stop
this, which is we talked aboutbefore.
It's just kind of always adisappointment with them.
(18:07):
But people need to stand up,because if people stand up, ice
backs down.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Yes, and there's a recent example of that.
It's on the news cycle rightnow in LA Armored vehicles and
horses.
I showed up on armored vehiclesand horses and just rolled into
a park in LA Daytime yesterday,just broad daylight, like one
or two o'clock in the afternoon.
They just surrounded a park.
(18:37):
Yeah, why, you know what I mean.
Like is it was there.
Just how?
How do you just walk up to?
Are they just walking up togroups of people and like
instigating?
Speaker 2 (18:50):
is what's the deal?
You know?
Speaker 1 (18:51):
like, right, I can't imagine the operation, like
being an army dude.
What was the we call operationorder?
What was the op board on?
Like we're going to the park,why?
What's the mission?
What are we going to do when weget there?
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, what's the target?
What's the reason?
You know, I can't think of onethat would make sense, unless it
was like hey, we've got intelthat there's going to literally
(19:13):
be a gang meeting or a gangfight or something like that,
and so we're going to show upwhere we think there's going to
be a high concentration ofcriminals.
There's no indication thatanything like that is what was
going on.
It was more of a show of force,absolutely.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
It was intimidation.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Yeah, and so here's what happened.
Absolutely, it was intimidation.
Yeah, and so here's whathappened.
The citizens just startedchasing them out of the park and
they started yelling at the icepeople and yelling at the
people on the horses, and theback doors of the armored
vehicles were open and they justwere riding in the back and it
seemed like within just a fewminutes they chased them out of
(19:50):
there, man, because there was noviolence going on, there was
nothing on fire, and so therewas no rules of engagement-wise
for the ICE agents.
What can you do?
You know what I'm saying Ifthere's nothing criminal going
on right in front of you, youcan't fight with these people.
You can't shoot them withrubber bullets or hit them with
(20:13):
batons like what you know, right?
So they just left right and themayor showed up and just called
it what it was.
She's like this is a anegregious show of force.
It's just basically to makepeople afraid to go out and
enjoy the city.
There was nothing going on here.
There's no violence.
You know there may be more thatcomes out on both sides of the
story, but right now it lookspretty much cut and dry.
(20:36):
You know, a show of force gotrejected by the local population
and it worked yeah, and it wasa clear violation of the posse.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Comatose, yeah, yeah, it's clear violation of that.
Uh, I think they're trying toum use, like the vehicles and
the ice agents, as you know,federal property, so you know,
having the guard around them.
Yeah, uh, as a you know, aroaming federal property type of
definition but if theinsurrection act hasn't been
declared, again you have zeroprotection as like a troop, like
(21:11):
right now you guys have zeroprotection, like on the legal
side of things, with that beingnot not being declared, without
the insurrection act beingdeclared right now you're just
being, you're following illegalorders the uh backstop of
pardons is the, you know, yeahyou know, I mean this is kind of
(21:32):
a sidebar.
Uh, you know, we keep talkingabout like the red line for
folks like what is gonna?
Is there gonna be a singularmoment where people wake up and
be like, okay, that's too far?
Speaker 1 (21:42):
I, honestly, if I was at a park and federal agents
just showed up and posted up,that would, that would be the
red line for me.
Like, honestly, I mean I'm not100% against, um, the detention
type operations that arehappening.
I'm not 100% against it.
I don't think they're goingwell, I don't think they're
being done in a, like you say,legal or or tactful way.
(22:06):
But do I, am I against the ideaof trying to find criminal,
illegal people and try and getthem out of the country?
No, not necessarily.
But what that is, you know,showing up to a park with just
gear, you know, heavy, heavyweapons and poking.
That's not.
They just they just want topoke people.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
That would be.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
That crosses the line for me as just a citizen, you
know.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Yeah, just a citizen, you know, yeah, I mean that's.
You know, when you read ourfounding documentation, you know
it's things like that thatstarted a lot of this.
You know, having militarypresence in our city yeah, just
just martial law trying toimpose.
You know their footprint of,you know the foreign government
at that time, but you know um,so one thing that's kind of come
out recently too, uh, is thenew party, the american party oh
(22:52):
, yeah, yeah, we didn't textenough about that.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
We should.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
We should have spent all day talking about that, but
we didn't, yeah so before eloneven started that, he went and
talked to that yarvin guru guyokay and so right there that
that like worries me so much.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I'm not sure I know who that is, so he's a guy that,
uh, he has a lot of influenceover all the billionaires and
peter teal and all that okay uh,and he really believes more in
a monarchy system.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
So breaking up the us into like different kingdoms
and having each billionaire runtheir own little king, okay,
okay um, so like back to the,you know the feudal systems and
things like that yeah uh, andyeah, so he, he's a very, very
influential person on like withthose guys, sure.
So which immediately makes mejust kind of like anything that
(23:41):
Musk does just makes me nauseous, like I get like he's just
buying Twitter all over again.
He's trying to buy his way intoshit.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
And he's still a Nazi piece of shit Like I can't yeah
.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Like I can't.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
You know man.
But I do love the third partyidea.
I know, I know that's it.
I have to decide if I'm such athird party zealot that I'll get
in bed with basically Satanhimself to get funded so that I
could run for office in a thirdparty.
Like you know, I, I love it atface value, but then as soon as
(24:17):
you crack open the details andyou're like, well, it's Elon
Musk and it's this and it's this, and you're like, oh man, I
still, I still think I, maybe Iwant to do it.
You know.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
I just won't be an asshole.
Yeah, right, right.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
That's it.
Yeah, but you, you know hetalks about primary and people
that you know in other partiesthat he has no control over.
Imagine if you're in his ownlittle personal back pocket
party like you can't run againif he you know you're going to
follow his orders, basically.
But I think the strategy herelet's talk about the value of
the third party strategy thathe's laid out, regardless of who
he is.
Let's take that part and pausethat for a minute and let's just
talk about his vision, which Iam excited about.
(25:01):
The House and Senate are oftenso close to a 50-50 balance and
have been so often for the last100 years that a hundred years
that a handful of votes one wayor the other is usually the
tipping point for a lot oflegislation.
So if you can sprinkle in yourparty and basically take away
(25:21):
that margin of handful of voteswhere right now, like two
senators don't vote forsomething and then the vice
president can come in and splitthe tie right, if you have three
or four senators that are inthis other party, then you don't
get that.
You have to court those people,right, and they have to pull
you back to whatever middle orlibertarian or whatever position
(25:44):
they're in.
They're going to pull thingsback that way, Right?
That's the idea.
And so having two, three Senateseats is his first look, you
know, like in 26, I think, tryto run two or three Senate seats
and eight to 10 House seats,and that that's enough to split
that 50-50 margin most of thetime and cause real, you know,
(26:07):
breaking down some partisanmentalities and like these 30,
40 year long agendas can'treally survive in the face of
this, like mediator, if you will.
And so that's the idea, youknow.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Yeah, but if you're, if you're putting people into
those positions you know, beingElon Musk, he's going to look
for far right people.
Well, like you, look at AFD andthe folks that he would support
in other races.
Yeah, he's looking to bankrollfar right people.
Well, like you, look at AFD andthe folks that he would support
in other races.
Yeah, he's looking to bankrollfar right people.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Maybe I mean.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
I don't know, maybe Another thing when you're
talking getting these peopleelected and hoping they have a
backbone to, you know, do thingslike folks that are elected now
don't have backbones to like,stand up to different parties.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
But that's the point is that you know your sugar
daddy's got your back and so youdon't have to play the game of
like.
Let's make sure mitch mcconnelldoesn't get mad at me because
he's got 60 billion dollars inhis war chest and so I need to
make sure I keep drinking out ofhis fire hose.
That's that's.
You know that that's.
It gets that whole party downinto a field teaty position.
(27:11):
Right, Just like they are rightnow.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Right, Well, you're just changing the puppet master
at the end of the rope, butthree puppet masters makes a
good difference.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Is my point right?
Like that's the whole point,right?
Is that?
Yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yes, I think that the radical thing that needs to
happen is get rid of CitizensUnited so that, like normal
people can actually runcampaigns and actually not have
to get funded by billionaires tobe effective.
Yeah, because I meaneverything's going to come at a
cost when you're doing stufflike that.
Yeah, but getting rid ofCitizens United would save our
democracy.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Yeah, I mean I think you're not wrong that the way
that super PACs are set up isvery undemocratic, right, it
really reduces the power of theindividual voter or the, you
know.
I guess the, the, even theparties themselves, you know,
get kind of abused by the waythis PAC system is set up.
(28:04):
So yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Yeah, yeah, cause everybody cowcows to them.
Now you know.
So it's, yeah, it's a terribleterrible.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
It's not a great setup, no, um, no, and maybe a
third party would be able toforce the issue and say this is
the thing, that's the worstthing there is.
And if you can't address this inyour pork barrel bill, if you
can't get my pork in that barrel, well then we understand what's
going on.
You know what I'm saying, andso we're going to fix this right
(28:31):
, and I mean you.
And again, if you get that tinypiece of either house, that's
what you get to do, and that'swhat in other political systems
that have more parliamentary,where they got like four or five
parties right, the the, the toptwo will be the sort of like
large interest parties, and thenyou'll have two or three in
there that are just ultrafocused on like one or two
(28:52):
topics like agriculture, right,you know, and it's like, hey,
all we care about is making surethat the farms keep operating
right, and that's our biggestfocus is is managing
agricultural industry in germanyor whatever, and so they've got
like 10 seats in parliament,you know, and that this could be
something like that, right yeah, it's almost like taking the.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Uh, it'd be tech instead of the lobbyist like
different lobbyist industry yeahsections and having them back
their own parties.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
That's what happens in parliamentary systems
sometimes.
Yeah, like you have the beefparty.
Yeah, yeah yeah, the beef partyI want to join the beef party
I'm from texas um, I don't eatthat much beef, but it's in my
blood.
Literally.
I can't donate blood anymorebecause I ate too much beef in
England and so you know, rightyeah.
So beef is literally in myblood, so that one's that rats
(29:44):
itself.
So well, that's the thing.
Once we have a third party,I'll splinter that off and have
the fourth party right and it'llbe the beef party, right, or
whatever.
So, because once you do it likethen, there's no end, right?
Speaker 2 (29:56):
so yeah, yeah, you, you hope that would snowball
because, yeah, we need the, thediversity of people, like
willing to have diverse opinions.
You know, right now everybodyon both sides is just this falls
in line.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
You know you have a couple dissers, but overall
there's nothing getting done,and that's my point is that if
you can split that up a littlebit and give either party some
room to breathe and be like, oh,if we court them, then we get
to step out of line a little bit, but it's not the end of our
political career or whatever,because we still get to get
something over the line Morenegotiation, more collaboration.
Well, let's shift gears to ourlast topic, um, since you know,
(30:33):
I don't think a third party isgoing to end ice detention
centers anytime soon.
So let's let's move over to alittle bit of a different story
where we're going to talk aboutthe media, uh, as the subject of
the story to some degree, butwe're going to look at it
through a couple of recentthings that have the cycle on
(30:57):
CNN and MSNBC.
So it seems to be a bit of abias slant right now is that
last week, secretary Hegsethpaused shipment of weapons to
the Ukraine conflict and thatthere was some material impact
from that, that President Trumpdid not know about it and that
it was an order that was givenas sort of a rogue order.
(31:18):
And so they bring it up topresident Trump yesterday and
start asking him questions likedid you authorize this?
Did you know about this?
Was there a strategy associatedwith this?
And his he just flat out said Idon't know what you're talking
about.
Like I didn't do that and thatdidn't happen, Right.
And so the news pushed back andsaid well, it certainly did
happen.
And he said nothing got paused,nothing stopped, certainly did
(31:40):
happen.
And he said nothing got paused,nothing stopped.
If there was an order given, itwas not executed and that's it,
like there's no story here.
I don't want to say I agreewith Donald Trump, but I believe
that what he's saying is truein that I don't think anything
stopped.
I don't think, in the course ofyou know, less than five days
of whatever churn in in thedepartment of defense, that
(32:02):
there was some material impactto how much weapons got to.
You know the conflict.
So trump's not wrong in sayingnothing.
There nothing really happened.
But then it's also not untruethat the secretary of defense
may have given that order andtrump didn't know about it yeah,
because he definitely has theauthority, um but, but it is
funny that even in his circlethere's really no delegation in
(32:26):
that circle.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
No, like everything has to run through him, like
there's a single point that allinformation or decisions need to
go through.
And so, even like the questionor the thought that a decision
was made that he didn't knowabout, he's like, no, that
wouldn't happen.
Decision was made that hedidn't know about, he was like,
no, that wouldn't happen?
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Yeah, that didn't happen.
Yeah, which in and of itself iskind of should like make you
kind of tingle a little bit likeyeah yeah, well, he does
understand what the Secretary ofDefense is actually allowed to
do, maybe, but and I don't thinkthat the Secretary of Defense
knows either, I think he's justlike, if say it, they'll
(33:05):
probably do it.
Right, you know, like it's not,uh, because it's based on this
like great storied merit ofunderstanding of the you know
dod, right, um, but anyways, uh,my take on it is that the media
is trying to hound this um asanother, like black eye for pete
hegseth or as a black eye forthe administration.
And I think Trump's statementof nobody's eyes black what are
you talking about?
Right, that's actually theright, that's the true story
(33:29):
right now is nobody's eyes black, and so that's.
It's a little bit frustratingfor me to see that and say you
know, isn't we got enough news?
You don't have to make upstories.
Right, you don't have to spendtime on something if there's
really nothing to talk about.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Yeah, yeah, cause there's like every day there's a
new shiny new story, thatthat's there.
So, having something like thisat the same time that his DOJ
came out and said that theEpstein files didn't don't exist
, or the list doesn't exist.
Yeah, like, why are we nottalking about?
Speaker 1 (33:58):
that.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Like how is that not the first thing?
We've been talking about thisfor years?
Yes, he said he was going torelease the list.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
He did.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
His attorney general said that it was on her desk.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
I think that's the most damning part of the whole
story is that she acknowledgedthe existence of the list in
that statement, right, and now Iknow that they're backpedaling
and that they're trying to playwordsmith and word weave, 4d
chess, 4d backgammon, but that'swhat Trump's trying to do with
(34:30):
this.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
But Pam.
Bondi flat out said the list ison my desk, and that was only
four months ago.
Yeah, and we've seen the courtreports where it's John Doe 174
and things like that, oh yeahright, like they have a list of,
like one, like they have toline that up.
Well, it's either fromprosecutors.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
even if it wasn't Jeffrey Epstein that put it
together himself, that couldhave been the prosecutorial list
, which was still consideredevidence, right, like it came
from evidence.
So they didn't make it up.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Yeah, they weren't just like grabbing the white
pages and pulling names out ofthere like, yeah, they had
evidence against epstein,obviously.
Uh, and where is it?
Yep?
And so many like maga folks arekind of like like recognizing
some things about their, theirgreat leader here, um, and some
of them are swallowing that pilland saying like, well, hey, he
might have done some bad things,but he's called to action by
(35:24):
God and he's going to executeChrist's will here.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Yeah, the justification engine is on full
blast around the story, yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Like so many of these stories, like people just have
to keep jumping through thesehoops to get themselves to
believe that they didn't electthe Antichrist.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Yeah, Like.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
I hate to break it to you, but he checks a lot of
boxes.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Well, and you know, maybe the media would have been
better to cover that story thanhey.
Did Pete Hegseth do somethingthat he's allowed to do?
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Yeah, yeah, I mean the whole, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
I mean the whole.
I'd rather hear a news storyabout you know?
Here's proof that Trump is theAntichrist which.
I wouldn't believe and I don'tthink that, but I'd rather see
that on TV than you know.
A 15-minute spot on Hegseth youknow.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Well, see what sucks now is.
We could have video of himshaking hands with Satan and
they'd be like, oh, it's AI.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
No man, he's got seven fingers.
Check it, yeah, check again.
Yeah, that's the heat, it's thewaves of the heat coming off of
satan's hand.
That's what it is.
Uh, but the you know.
I guess my takeaway from thatpoint is is that, come on, media
, do a little bit better.
Yeah, let's, let's get to thebottom of the you know epstein
thing, whether I don't actuallycare about that, other than I
care about it from the noveltyof the story that it has become,
not because of the originalstory, more of the story about
(36:47):
the story like, like the OJtrial is its own story.
Right, they made them.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
No, no Having like a ultra elite class of sexual
offenders running around theworld Like I'm concerned.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
I guess I'm saying I'm not, I don't know if the
list will exist, will ever exist, whatever that type of evidence
stuff, I mean the whether it isthe fact that he was operating
that type of enterprise.
Yes, I care about that.
No, I don't care about thestory of like, whether or not
the conspiracy stuff, that pieceof it, you know all those
things.
That's what I'm saying.
Like, I don't care so muchabout getting to the bottom of
that conspiracy, um, because Ijust I don't think we will, you
(37:24):
know I guess at this point, yeah, like I'll go out on a limb and
say, like he's probably alivesomewhere.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Yeah, I think that minute of most missing footage
because they released 10 hoursof footage a minute missing.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
I think that's what I mean he did on an island, right
right, they put a body in there.
Right right, they call itEpstein's Island, so have we
checked.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
There's one guy living there.
Where's the overall?
He's like a custodian.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Yeah, yeah have we checked Epstein's Island, you
know.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Yeah, it's just.
It'd be nice to have somebodythat you respect enough in
office to not even have thesekind of questions.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Yeah, oh sure.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
He's been cursing more in office.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
We do like to end the show on a sad note.
So you're right, let's bring itdown a little bit, just the way
he's been carrying himself inoffice.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Him and JD, both have just been kind of just so gross
.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Very brash, yeah, they're cursing more.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
They're obviously never.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Not stately.
They're not stately, yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
So it's just kind of a shame how far the office has
fallen in a couple presidencies.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Yeah, here we are, there we are yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
That's true.
Pumping circumstance right,that's.
You know, Name the game now.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
And fried chicken, I like mine on tacos.
Yeah, yeah, nice.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Well, I think that does it for us this week on Left
Face.
Thanks everyone for listeningand we will catch you next week.
All right, bye.
Popular Podcasts
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
The Breakfast Club
The World's Most Dangerous Morning Show, The Breakfast Club, With DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, And Charlamagne Tha God!