No Kings Day, Columbus, and Nostalgia

What if a holiday label could teach you everything about power? We start with the fight over Columbus Day and Indigenous Peoples Day as a living lesson in how culture gets replaced, co-opted, and defended—and why nostalgia is such a potent political tool. From there, we pull back the camera (literally) on protest coverage, showing how tight frames and smoky angles turn a two-block action into a “city on fire.” When fear takes the mic, escalation becomes easy.

As veterans, we talk plainly about what we’ve seen at ICE facilities: pepper rounds fired at a priest, riot lines moving to punish rather than protect, and a growing haze where impersonators mimic federal agents to harass vulnerable communities. That’s not just a policing problem—it’s a civic one. We break down how modern resistance actually works: tail-number tracking, open-source mapping of operations, and real-time alerts that keep protests visible, lawful, and effective. When platforms silence observers in the name of “safety,” the public loses a critical check on state power.

Shutdown politics threads through the hour, but not as a budget parlor game. We ask what’s worth a hard stop: premium hikes—or drawing a line against active harm? With fractures showing on the right and real economic pain hitting farmers, service members, and families, pressure won’t come from sound bites; it’ll come from consequences. We also tackle the uneasy “peace” in Israel–Gaza and the profit-churn of reconstruction without accountability—another reminder that transparency is the guardrail, at home and abroad.

If you’re planning to show up for No Kings Day, we’ve got you: clear de-escalation steps, how to document safely, and why discipline—not outrage—wins hearts and ground. Listen, share with a friend who’s on the fence, and tell us: where do you draw the line, and how will you help hold it? Subscribe, leave a review, and join us on the ground—peaceful, visible, and prepared.

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_01 (00:01):
Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of
Left Face.
This is the Pikes Peak Regionpodcast where we talk about
politics through a veteran'spoint of view.
I am your co-host, DickWilkinson, and I'm joined this
morning with Adam Gillard.
How's it going, Adam?
How are you doing, Dick?
I'm doing good.
Yeah, I'm doing pretty good.
I am uh I'm gonna be doing sometraveling next week.

(00:22):
Oh, yeah.
So I'm getting ready for that.
Um tomorrow is uh holiday, uh,which with a little bit of
controversy associated with it.
It is no longer IndigenousPeople's Day because that's not
conservative, right?
But we've got to go backwards intime.
Did they say it's Columbus Day?
Yeah, yeah.
Trump, it's been, you know,Trump doesn't acknowledge
Indigenous People's Day.
But it's Columbus Dayofficially.

(00:42):
He signed it on Saturday orsomething like that.

SPEAKER_00 (00:45):
Presidential, you know, executive order.
Like I how do people like agreewith that?
You know, be like it like oldtimey.

SPEAKER_01 (00:52):
People like old timey stuff.
That's it.
It doesn't take any more valuethan that.
Remember when this happened whenyou were a child?
Wouldn't you like that to happenagain?
Like, that's it.
There's no more value or depthto it than that.
Yeah.
Old, this is conservative, thisis backwards, this is old.
Would you like that?
Yes.
Okay, cool.
Yes, that's it.
Yeah, it has also has no moremeaning than that, right?
Oh, the one joke though that Iheard that was really funny was

(01:15):
um President Trump is hell-benton getting rid of all the
Hispanic people in the UnitedStates, but he is you know
championing the hero.
He calls Columbus a hero, andhe's like, Columbus's job was to
bring boatloads of Hispanics toAmerica.
The reason they're here isbecause of Columbus.
And now you, you know, a couplehundred years later, are like,

(01:36):
what are all these Hispanicpeople doing?
Yeah, yeah.
Reality has never been asstrong.
No, those two dots couldn'tconnect.
It doesn't matter how you wrotethem down, how you explained it,
it would never connect for him.
Yeah, that's that's no surprise.
Because his nostalgia is basedon the the 1940s uh, you know,
Columbus Day concept ofwhatever, right?
Right.
It has nothing to do with actualChristopher Columbus or today.

(01:57):
Yeah, you know, it's frozen intime on something that happened
back in the day.
I don't think he even has manylike of his own thoughts
anymore.

SPEAKER_00 (02:04):
I think Stephen Miller has his ear so much that
that like just feeds him what heneeds to know and say.

SPEAKER_01 (02:09):
Administration has very much been a like other
people are yeah punching thepuppet arms at some time.
Yeah, I mean, and I yeah, Ithink he still um if he says no
and just completely disagreeswith everybody and wants to
behead somebody, like he can dothat, right?
You know, but yeah, but for surethe Project 2025 people are
seeing this as they're they'rereally the ones driving the

(02:31):
train.

SPEAKER_00 (02:32):
Well, absolutely, you know, yeah, yeah.
Well, and and it doesn'tsurprise me like when somebody
gives you a 900-page plan, likewell thought out, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (02:39):
And they'll say, We're gonna get you elected so
we can do this plan.
Yeah, you have you don't evenhave to read the plan.

SPEAKER_00 (02:45):
This is for us to execute.
You just have to get elected.
There's no work for you to dohere.

SPEAKER_01 (02:49):
You just sit here and so I assume Columbus Day was
on page 800 of that, not everypage documents.

SPEAKER_00 (02:54):
Somewhere in the back.
Yeah, so there you go.

SPEAKER_01 (02:55):
Local, that's the uh that's that's what's going on.
Man, this is crazy.
That's tomorrow, so get ready tocelebrate.
Yeah, whatever you celebrate.
It'll be Indigenous people then.
Yeah, I'm just working.
I'm gonna celebrate anythingtomorrow.
I don't really care, you know,like one way or the other.
America as a piece of land washere before any of the people
were here, and now I live here,and that that's it.

SPEAKER_00 (03:18):
That's all.
Well, I think it's good to taketime and like recognize people
because um, for so long, uhcontributions to society in
general just get pushed aside,and just for no reason.
It's just like, why is it sowrong to recognize indigenous
people?
There's nothing wrong with that.
Yeah, sure.
They're good people, they theyhelped us, you know, us white

(03:38):
folks, and you know, uh adapt tothe right.

SPEAKER_01 (03:41):
This conversation reminded me of something.
Um, there's been thesehistorical, I thought to myself,
I might not ever experience oneof these.
Like for real.
There's these historical umexamples of like, uh I'm a
Christian, but Christmas happenson December 25th because of
Saturnalia.
Period.
It was to step on the paganholiday.
Nobody knows what day Jesus wasborn.
Yeah, right.

(04:01):
Like nobody knows if he was bornin the winter or the summer or
whatever else, right?
Like we really don't know,right?
But we picked that day becauseit was already had some
convenient European traditionsbuilt into it.
And so we said, let's co-optthose European traditions and
change it from this paganSaturnalia to Christian
Christmas, right?
Keep the tree.
100% happened, right?

(04:22):
Yeah, and so we're seeing thathappen in this argument of is it
Columbus Day?
That would be Saturnalia, Iguess, right?
And is it or is it IndigenousPeople's Day?
That's Christmas, right?
Somebody wants to replace itbecause one thing is offensive
to the senses and to the masses,and the other one is more
socially acceptable.
I mean, just black, don't gettoo far into it.

SPEAKER_00 (04:41):
Take it at abstract face value, right?
I'm gonna dive in.

SPEAKER_01 (04:44):
There's a current cultural tone, and then there's
a replacement cultural tone.
That has happened in the past,yeah, right.
Okay, and I didn't think I wouldever witness how that goes down,
right?
Because historically we alwaysthink about it like there was no
conflict over that change.
Yeah, like people were justlike, oh, that's great.
We have Christmas now.
And like everybody adopted itand loved it.
No, there must have been acouple, you know, a hundred

(05:04):
years there where people werelike, What are you doing?
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (05:09):
The calendar itself, yeah.
You know, switching over to theGregorian calendar, Junior
calendar.
Yeah, yeah, there's no likechalk line that gets snapped,
and everybody's like, okay,cool, we're doing this, guys.
Right, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 (05:18):
So I just see I yeah, I think this is one of
those, it's it's a slightlysmaller scale example, maybe,
but but it's the same culturalreplacement of one thought with
another, and one is now nolonger acceptable, and the other
one is forcefully acceptable,right?

SPEAKER_00 (05:33):
Well, and and that kind of leads me to another
thought.
You say, you know, replacing onethought with another.
Yeah.
Well, we see the administrationforcing thoughts, you know,
about you know, Democrats beingviolent, sure, and protests
being violent and not peaceful.
Yeah, and then you know, the thethe secretary of the homeland
security goes to the war zone ofPortland and gets faces down a
frog or and a kind of clowns.

(05:55):
That was funny.

SPEAKER_01 (05:56):
That that should be the transition into our first
like real topic here, the ice ofsecurities, right?
Let's talk about that.

SPEAKER_00 (06:01):
Yeah, so the the what's coming out, and even
President Trump at one point hassaid, is what I'm seeing on TV
not the reality.

SPEAKER_01 (06:11):
It was either the governor of of Oregon or the
mayor of Portland.
He's like, What I'm seeing onTV, like, is that not true?
Right, right, yeah.
They're like, no, sir, it is nottrue.

SPEAKER_00 (06:20):
Yeah, you're being fed a lot of BS.
I mean, in an administrationthat historically uses pictures
of old things and does you knowa lot of like media
manipulation.
Yes, I can only imagine whatkind of information they're
feeding him.
Yeah, because he's not going totake time to fact-check
anything.
Yeah, you know, true.
Like he takes whatever StephenMiller says as the gospel, and
Stephen Miller's saying take thehandcuffs off, boys, go get

(06:42):
them.

SPEAKER_01 (06:43):
It's very easy if you're not on the ground to take
pictures and even video.
Um, you know, cinematographersunderstand how to do this, where
it looks like there's a lot ofpeople there, but it is not.
You just you you get a depth,you get a focus of the line of
the people up front and thenblur in the back, and you can't
tell how many people are there.
Yeah, if there's anything thatlooks like smoke or fire in the
picture and you can get theright angle, it could look like

(07:05):
there's 50 people standingaround something on fire.
But there's not, you know whatI'm saying?
It's a camera angle, right?
Right, and that's what requiredto make the ice facility
protests look like an entirecity is burning down because
they're never more than atwo-block radius from the
building itself.
Yeah, there's never been morethan a couple thousand people

(07:26):
like at the most in even in LA,like LA when it was fully packed
up, right?
There's like two, three thousandpeople at the most within two
blocks from that building.
And now the same thing'shappening in every other city in
Chicago, in Portland, in Dallas,anywhere where there's dis you
know problems around the icefacilities, super local.
Uh, but the people telling storymake it seem like it's super out

(07:47):
of control.
Yeah, and it's not at all.

SPEAKER_00 (07:50):
Until Ice Escalades, did you see they shot a priest?
I did see that hold the uh inthe head with a pepper ball or
whatever.

SPEAKER_01 (07:56):
Yeah, they shot him in the head with a pepper ball,
and then after that happened,and again, we're talking there
was like less than a hundredpeople outside that fence.
Yeah, there was more than ahundred armed troops there,
right?
And a hundred citizens, and theycame out and marched him down
the street.
First, let's not call themtroops.

SPEAKER_00 (08:12):
These are unqualified, like there.

SPEAKER_01 (08:15):
I don't know if there were National Guard people
there or not, is what I'msaying.
There were ICE people that arenot separate those.
Yeah, okay, fair.
I thought at that facility, theNational Guard was there.
Okay, I think they were there.
Okay, and so what I'm saying isnot necessarily that it was
troops on top of the building.
I think that's for sure ICEpeople.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
No, no soldier would shootsomebody like that.

(08:36):
Right.
Like I just exactly I'm theNorman guy, and I'm telling you,
we wouldn't do it, right?
So, and then what happened next?
I also can't attribute tosoldiers acting the way soldiers
should act.
The probably 50 people uh in ayou know, a band, like the squad
uh riot control movement, right?
Uh structure where they werelike 10 people wide and five
layers deep, start walking downthe street.

(08:58):
And then when they get to thatpastor, they bear sprayed him in
the face, like hard, like soakedhim down, bear sprayed him,
dude.
And he, no, no weapon.
A priest.
A priest, yeah.
Don't think he's carrying as acollar.
Yeah, yeah.
Holy cow.
Yep, less than a hundred peoplethere, nothing's on fire, nobody
has a weapon.
They march down the street andbear sprayed him.

(09:21):
Like, it's just amazing, man.
I mean, like amazing in a badway, you know, like
jaw-dropping.
Can't believe what I'm lookingat.

SPEAKER_00 (09:28):
You know, yeah, yeah.
There's got to be photos of thatand oh yeah, and they should be
plastered.
I saw it, I saw it.

SPEAKER_01 (09:35):
It was that is horrible.
It was terrible, dude.
It was terrible.
And that's on top of that.
And there was nothing going onoutside of that building that
was dangerous to be able to dothat.
They were just people yelling atthem.
Like nothing.
They weren't climbing thefences, there was nothing on
fire, there was no guns, therewasn't even that many people
there.
Like there weren't enough peoplethere to make the facility be in
danger.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying?
If they all tried to climb thefence at the same time, they

(09:55):
could have stopped them.
You know what I'm saying?
It wasn't enough to feel likeyou needed to open fire on
anybody, no matter lethal ornon-lethal.

SPEAKER_00 (10:02):
And I'm sorry, did you what was it uh, or who was
it that sprayed the bear sprayor was it a it was a crew.

SPEAKER_01 (10:07):
I I don't know if they were ice or what, but it
was it was a riot squad thatmoved down the street with you
know with with uh shields andbatons and and just started
like, hey, back up away from thegate that they that where the
guy got shot, they decided theywanted to get everybody further
away from that gate andessentially down to the end of
the block.
Yeah.
So they're trying to move allthe all 100 people about 100

(10:29):
yards down the block.
And when those people were stillstanding there, they just
started attacking people.

SPEAKER_00 (10:36):
Yeah.
And that's why I would assumethat those are ICE folks because
those they're getting zerotraining.
These are folks that are signingup to do this and getting paid
really well, so they're gonnatry and do it as best as they
can.
Yeah, you know, and they'venever had an opportunity like
this in in their life to just godo well.

SPEAKER_01 (10:54):
Genuinely, you know, authority, right?
Like they've been handed genuineauthority.

SPEAKER_00 (10:58):
Yeah, not legitimate authority, but authority.
Yeah, top cover, let's call itthat.

SPEAKER_02 (11:03):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (11:04):
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, everything they're doingis unconstitutional.
Yeah, and that's why they'rehaving them cover their faces
because they know it'sunconstitutional, and there's no
protection for like when thingsyou know hopefully change you
know with with our elections,like folks need to be held
accountable.
Like this, like to shoot apriest, to to rip you know
families away from each other.

(11:24):
And even if they are hereillegally, it's a misdemeanor.
Like, seriously, like they givetrillions to our economy,
farmers are are gettingabandoned now, you know, like
they're not there's their fieldsaren't getting harvest.
Like we're seeing therepercussions of all this shit,
and people voted for it.
And it's it's like so.
Hopefully, once things come backto normal, these ice folks that

(11:46):
they find accountability.
Some accountability, yeah.
Yeah, like I this is they'rethey're not law enforcement,
they're not military, uh,they're not trained well at all.
They're just goons.
They're the they're the brownshirts going around beating
people up right now.

SPEAKER_01 (11:59):
That is true.
Um, Christy Gnome was at uh oneof the facilities, and like you
said, you know, I'm on thebuilding surveying the you know,
the war zone, yeah, and therewas nobody there.
There was like two people andthey were both in costumes,
right?
Like no, nothing that even couldhave looked dangerous.
And and honestly, that was likethe perfect uh exclamation point

(12:21):
on the whole topic, right?
Is that she flew out to thisplace, climbed up on the
building, looked down at thestreet, and said, Oh, oh right,
nobody's here.

SPEAKER_00 (12:29):
So I haven't turned on news anywhere really a whole
lot, but you you mentioned youyou watched Fox News, you know,
yesterday.
Yeah, to try and get that otherside of it.
What kind of stuff did they sayon like gnome being on top of
the building?
Oh, and did you see the guyshowing him around with the the
SOG thing on his arm?
No.
Overweight dude with a beard.
Yeah.

(12:49):
This is a week after Heg Seth.
So let's get rid of overweightdudes with beards, and then he's
up on the building, like showingthe secretary route.
I believe that.

SPEAKER_01 (12:58):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So on Fox, what they're talkingabout is um they are saying that
Portland is in fact on fire.
It is in the upside-down land,and it's being run by
communists, and they're eatingchildren, basically.
That's what they're saying onFox.

SPEAKER_00 (13:14):
And that's not far off from what the president's
saying.
Okay, so because the presidentsaid in Chicago, 4,000 people
have died in a short span oftime.
4,000.
Yeah.
Like, what are you talkingabout?
Yeah, they've had a couplehundred murders this year.
This year, right.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (13:26):
So which is still terrible.
Like, that number is still alot.
Yeah.
But 250, 300 or 4,000 in acouple months, like it's made
up, right?
It's totally fabricated.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (13:35):
And for local law enforcement to cede power to
federal authorities over lieslike that.

SPEAKER_01 (13:40):
Well, and that's really why Fox is bashing on,
like, that's why they're willingto feed the narrative that
Portland is on fire, is becauseit's a sanctuary city.
Oh, period.
And Fox is like all fully loadedon deck against sanctuary city.
So they'll tell non-truths ifit's associated with a sanctuary
city.
Can you believe those radicalliberals are housing criminals
in their city?
And this is what you get.

(14:01):
And then they'll show like once,once or twice a week.
So here's the one thing aboutPortland, a detail that we
should draw out a little bit.
Portland is in fact a sanctuarycity.
Portland is in fact weird, astheir stickers say, right?
Portland has people areprotesting there.
It wouldn't matter if bubblegumwas green instead of pink.
They go protest it, right?
Like that's the kind of placethat Portland is, right?

(14:22):
So Portland leadership got wiseto that and said, let's make a
little cordoned off area thatbasically, if you want to occupy
Portland, come on down here.
It's open for business.
You can come down here andcomplain about whatever you
want.
It's kind of like a protestzone, right?
It's the protest zone, right?
Yeah.
And so that is an authorizedprotest zone.
You could come down here and doanything you want, camp out,

(14:43):
yell, scream, banners, Chinesedragon heads.
We don't care, right?
And there, there you get a placewhere you can go with a camera
almost any day of the week andfind people doing crazy stuff,
right?
Yeah.
Being what looks like violent,being what looks like offensive
towards the police, because thePortland police are there and
they do get in skirmishes allthe time, right?

(15:04):
And again, back up the Portlandpolice aren't there to just let
people burn things.
Right.
They're stopping them fromburning things, right?
Because it's there's anapartment building right next to
it.
It's a park, right?
Yeah.
And so that's what Trump ishearing people that live on the
east facing side of thatapartment building call the
White House every day and sayPortland's on fire.

SPEAKER_03 (15:20):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (15:20):
All 100 of the people that chose to live on the
east side of that building, andthey should sue the mayor for
letting people protest outsidetheir window every day.
That's really what needs tohappen.
It's a local issue with a localordinance where there is a fish
bowl full of protesters at alltimes.
So you need to move that towhere it's not in the middle of
a residential area, right?
Like that's the mayor's problem,not the president's problem,

(15:41):
right?

SPEAKER_00 (15:42):
Yeah.
It's kind of funny.
I was we were talking withsomebody yesterday about uh
social media and like why Idon't care about it and that I
just don't follow it.
Because if I start caring aboutwhat other people you know think
about me from like across theworld, then you're not listening
to the folks that are local toyou.
For sure.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, like huge distractions.
So many things going on.
Huge distraction.
So many things going on herelocally that we can be a part of

(16:04):
it and to affect real changehere.

SPEAKER_01 (16:06):
But you'll get some, you know, just somebody with a
bone to pick from like SouthCarolina, right?
That'll start stalking youaround on social media.
It's like they don't even knowwhat you're talking about.
They don't live where you live,you don't live where they live.
You have no idea, but they'relike, You're dumb, you're dumb,
you're this.
Yeah, I had that.
I had that.
It's ridiculous.
I got off of Facebook.
Like, I'm so glad I got rid ofall that stuff.

(16:27):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (16:27):
Yeah, yeah.
We get, you know, uh some hatemail here here and there.
Yeah, and it's it's not you knowterrible, but it's still like
what drives people to listen tosomething that you hate, yeah.
Take the time to respond to itand think it's gonna change my
mind.

SPEAKER_01 (16:40):
Yeah, right, exactly.
Yep.
The uh well, the ice stuffcontinues.
Oh, we've talked about this, andwe should spend a little moment
on this there in this episode.
We have said, hey, we'reconcerned, me and Adam are
concerned about fake icearrests, people pretending to be
ice, because ice has set thestage where if you're in a
suburban and you have a gun onyour hip, you're an ice agent.

(17:01):
Ta-da! Yeah, right.
We all have gators.
Yeah, right.
Like the there's nothingrequired to prove that you're an
ice agent other than tacklingsomebody, right?
Like that's how you prove you'rean ice agent is you tackle
somebody, right?
And so um it's happened, right?
I watched a news article and Iread something else about the
increase in not just like policeimpersonations, but specifically

(17:24):
ice impersonations.
That there are people that aregearing up, driving around in
their own pickup truck, or youknow, like I got a white
suburban or my buddy's got awhite Tahoe.
Yeah, that looks official, andthey'll drive around and harass
people.
And there's videos of ithappening now.
It's not imaginary anymore.
That's just these crazy peoplethat go out and start racially
harassing people and they put onfake gear, fake badges, carry

(17:48):
real weapons.
It's happening.
I mean, like a lot in the lastfew months has happened like
there's like a dozen evidenced,documented times where somebody
has either harassed or tried tohurt somebody under the fake
guise of being an ice officer.
Yeah.
Again, it gives these people whoare crazy a license to play
pretend, and it's easy to donow, right?

(18:09):
Like it was hard to look, maybeit's hard to look like an FBI
agent.
I don't know, maybe, maybe not,right?
But like if they were gonna gothat route, right?
It's like a whole differentconcept, right?
Versus fake badge, pickup truck,I'm an ice agent, right?
That's all it takes.
And then the starter kit is likeavailable at Walmart.
Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 (18:26):
And what's frustrating is you sound the
alarms, and like you said, wetalked about it before, and
we're lunatics for it.
Yeah, right.
You know, like, oh, we're allcalling for violence.
No, we're saying you guys aresetting us up, you're setting
everybody up for this.
And uh, you know, I mean, theirtheir standard right now that
they have to, you know, behaveto is ice agents chasing down

(18:48):
15-year-olds on bikes andharassing them for paperwork.
Like I've seen videos of that.
ICE agents crashing into cars,is and then saying, Oh, we they
swarmed us with 10 vehicles, andthere's a guy with a car with
the camera behind them.
Did you see that?
The lady, yeah.
The lady gets shot, go to thehas to go to the hospital by an
ice agent because she's sort ofhad 10 cars swarm around them,
but the guy had a video behindher and there was nothing like

(19:09):
that, and they just chased herand ran her down shot.
Yeah, um, that that's thestandard that like we're
encouraging for people, andwe're not there's no way to
track and enforce anybody who'strying to even carry that out.

SPEAKER_01 (19:21):
And yeah, like I said, everybody needs to uh and
we have the weird culturalsituation too of here, let's
let's you know what?
If we were being a little bitrabble rousing or scaring people
with the idea that somebody'sgonna be a fake police officer
or a fake ICE officer, right?
Um now let's take it a stepfurther.
Some people could people aredisappearing with with the real

(19:45):
ice officers and their familycannot find them.
Right.
What is the how is it notpossible for someone to
basically just kidnap a Hispanicwoman, murder her, hide her
body, and then people will justassume that she got picked up by
ice?
Right, right?
Yeah, you know what I'm saying?
Oh, yeah.
They would go, oh, my my mysister disappeared.
Yep.
Shit, you know, she lives in SanDiego, right?
So there's a lot of ice peopledown there.

(20:06):
Uh they wouldn't, you know, likeplausible reason to think that
people just disappear right now.
Yeah, you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (20:12):
That's scary, dude.
Even 20, 30 years ago, a brownwoman disappearing wouldn't get
much attention.
Sure.
So yeah, culturally, yeah.
Right.
So so now they're like it it'snot even a blip on the map, it's
happening.
Right.
You know what it happens.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (20:26):
They're yeah, there's a flood of statistics to
go, well, which one?
Right.
They all disappeared.
Well, I mean, even when terribleas that is, you know, we
kidnapped a hundred people lastweek.

SPEAKER_00 (20:37):
What are you talking about?
When uh because when we hadthose people kidnapped from the
nightclub uh earlier this year,yeah, that was the government's
response was like, you know,well, give us, you know, their
names, identify in marks onthem, and stuff like that, so we
can go find them.
It's like, I you don't even knowwhere they like I can't just
say, hey, find my friend, youknow, XYZ, whatever.

SPEAKER_01 (20:57):
So I've always wondered.
Now we're now we'retransitioning to topics again.
I want to be very, very, verycareful with this topic.
And I feel like we're gonna talkabout it again.
I don't know, we need to setsome boundaries around how we
talk about this.
But I'm serious.
The revolution, right?
The resistance, yeah, the thealternative to fascism, yeah,
whatever that is.

(21:17):
I've wondered it's going to riseout of the population.
It has to, it will.
Every situation, no one juststands around and watches
fascism happen.
Like even in Nazi Germany, therewas a resistance, right?
Even in Russia and in Italy,when these you know dictators
took over, there was someresistance, right?
Um, so there can't be anexecution of a regime change, if

(21:40):
you will, of a of a socialchange like what we're
witnessing right now withoutsome dedicated resistance,
right?
And so I said, okay, how willthat come to life in our
setting, right?
Yeah, and how does the thedifferent the trappings of
modern life lead to a verydifferent resistance than maybe
what we've seen in the past?
Oh yeah, yeah.
Tracking tail numbers that aremoving those people around.

(22:04):
There are people out there doingthat, tail spotters that are
tracking ice planes.
Yeah, so that's part of that'spart of the resistance, right?
And then somebody realized, oh,that's a good idea.
Now let's figure out a betterway.
We're gonna kind of like onGoogle Maps when it tells you
there's police up ahead.
People started making websitesto watch ice as they leave the
facility every day and saythey're heading north, they're

(22:26):
probably going to this place,they're heading east, they're
probably going to this place.
That's the resistance, man.
You know what I'm saying?
And so what happened?
Christy Nome went and got thosesocial media platforms to take
those accounts down, right?
Distrangled free speech.
Yeah, yeah.
They said, you can't do that.
You can't, because that puts ourice agents in danger, right?

(22:48):
They're they're armed, they'rerolling 10 deep, they're they've
got troops following themaround, right?
Right?
Like they look, they stick outlike a sore thumb on their own.
You see what I'm saying?
If it's a legitimate iceoperation, you're gonna see it
coming, right?
There's no way to hide that.
There's five black trucks andtroops and everything else.
Like, that's not a secretoperation, right?

(23:10):
And so the idea that citizensare simply going to observe the
the very visible operations thatare going on around them and
write about it online, that isdangerous, is what they say.

SPEAKER_00 (23:21):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (23:22):
I have a problem with that, you know.
Yeah, that's it is I don't carewhat the activity of the
government is, it is absolutelyokay for the citizens, whether
it's private citizens orjournalists, to observe and
report on whatever they see.
Period, right?
Like it's not a secretoperation, it's not classified.

SPEAKER_00 (23:41):
You know, for again, a president that always
campaigned on transparency,yeah, being so honest and things
like that, but you can't heardifferent opinions or you can't
hear what you're doing.
Like you can't even look at thecompany.

SPEAKER_01 (23:51):
Or you can't tolerate that pro, even though
these people aren't necessarilycoming down to shoot these ice
agents, that has happened.
But really, it's so thatprotesters can show up and
interfere with the operation.
Not to be dangerous necessarily,but just to say, stop kidnapping
people out of the park.
Stop it.

SPEAKER_00 (24:06):
You know, because there's been some successful
stops.
Yeah, there has.

SPEAKER_01 (24:09):
There's been some stand downs, right?
Where the where ice just left,they showed up in a park and
then they left, right?
That's happened a few in abunch, probably a bunch more
places than we understand,right?
Because that story is one thatfor sure is gonna get shut down
at the national level, yeah,local level, you might hear
about it.
So that you know, I have a bigproblem with that, and I see
that as the beginnings, the thelittle uh drops in the bucket

(24:31):
that will lead to some form ofresistance against this
activity.
But I don't know, you know,what's I don't want to
hyperbolize onto what's the nextstep.
That's why I say I want to bereal careful with this topic.

SPEAKER_00 (24:42):
Yeah, well, well, I mean uh whenever I talk about
things like this, I always saythat folks on the right need to
step up and they need to be apart of it.
Because, you know, with this,this is obviously the whole gets
and flag all over, you know.
Yeah, uh that they're takingaway people's individual rights,
uh that they're they're tryingto take away states' rights by

(25:04):
you know, uh to keep money awayfrom states that that have
already been appropriated forthem.
You know, Colorado's lost a tonof money.
Um, where are those folks atwhen they hear that there's a
gun registry being made now?
Have you have you read thatheadline?
That that was one I got I gottoday was that uh Pam Bondi uh
requested information uh tostart creating a gun registry.

(25:24):
So the the thing that they theythey freaked out.
I can't believe it.
The thing that they've beenscaring people out that the
Democrats are coming for yourguns, they're gonna make a
registry.
Yeah, they're gettingeverybody's name that has a gun.
I gotta I gotta learn more aboutthat.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That is um, you know, but whereare the where are the folks at
that cried and screamed about1984 all the time?
Well and yeah, I mean we knowthat every huh.

(25:47):
Let's see.

SPEAKER_01 (25:48):
The reason we believe.
I'm gonna I'm gonna share anopinion.
The reason that we believe wehave not fallen to kingdom or
dictatorship earlier is becausewe have an armed population,
right?
Like that's what a lot of peoplein America believe.
Yeah, is that we hold tyranny atbay by simply having guns in our
homes, right?

(26:08):
That's that's one of theinspirations of the Second
Amendment, right?
Is that right?
And so there are people thatbelieve that the reason we've
made it 250 years without thatis because we could have shot
somebody that tried to do that,right?
And the historical context isover the last 250 years, every
other place where that didhappen, disarming the population

(26:29):
was a required step before thegoons could fully execute the
mission, right?
Because there's not enough,there's more people than there
are goons in America, right?
So you have to disarm the peopleand arm the goons, right?
That's happened in every otherdictator regime that and and
coup type situation in of theworld over the past hundred
years, right?
As long as citizens have hadweapons, someone has shown up,

(26:52):
summarily taking them away, andthen a whole lot more police
show up out of nowhere, right?
You know, like they're allarmed, right?
Yeah, and so um the idea thatsomehow that part of the
playbook would not need to berepeated in America, regardless
of who's executing the plan,even if it's 50 years from now
and it's some somebody else,that step's required.

(27:14):
Yeah, disarming the populationis required for the full uh tide
to turn, right?
To really shift from, well, wewere a democracy, but we're not
anymore.
The disarmament is required,right?
And the idea that they thinkthat only one political side
would execute that disarmamentto cement power.

(27:35):
No, you're you're ignoring theidea that a dictator doesn't
care about the party, thecountry, the anything.
They care about them, right?
They care about their power,right?
Yeah, and so the idea thatthey're gonna betray your
conservative mindset is is youknow almost sounds implausible
to the person who believes thatthis regime is their hero,

(27:56):
right?
But the truth is you have to seethe the the sheep and wolves or
the wolf in sheep's clothing,right?
And you have to go, oh, right.
Yeah, a bad person's just a badperson.
And there's no way to cementpower and get whatever you want
in the future unless you disarmus, right?
There's just no way.
There's no way to do it, right?
And you're right.
Everybody said Obama's doingthat.
Obama is gonna turn us into asocialist country, he's gonna

(28:19):
put taxes on bullets, he's gonnaput registration numbers on
individual rounds, right?
Like people were saying all thatstuff.
Yeah, I even went, I was here inColorado when Obama was
president uh for a tour, and Iwent, there was some weekend,
some news story had happened,and I was at like a poker
tournament and it was in a stripmall with a gun shop, right?
That gun shop had a run on theshop like a run on the bank.

(28:40):
They were they were literally,they sold every bullet in the
store because some headline hadcome out the day before, like
Obama's coming to get you guns.
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (28:47):
And they cleared the shells day because uh 22 ammo.
Yeah, no, nothing happened.
Nothing, yeah, 22 ammo.

SPEAKER_01 (28:54):
We got impossible to find for like since then we've
gotten rid of the assault rifleban.
Like weapons control has gottenlooser since then, right?

SPEAKER_00 (29:02):
Yeah, but the the fear is still there.

SPEAKER_01 (29:04):
The fear was real, and it moved some ammunition
that day, man.
They made they paid their annualbills off of that, you know.

SPEAKER_00 (29:11):
But but the entire time, the boogeyman that's
whispering in their ears, theone that's gonna be the one that
ends up taking their guns.
Yeah.
And that's uh the sad realitythat's the beautiful irony of
what this situation is.
And for me, and again, peoplevoted for it and everything that
they were afraid of, and it waswritten down, and they voted for
it.

(29:32):
And like it's just so hard towrap my head around it.
And like, I'm glad that I'm notcomplicit with this.
Although, like, I'm glad thatyou know, in 80 years my kids
are gonna be able to easily seethat no dad wasn't cool with
that.

SPEAKER_01 (29:45):
No, no question of where where our family stood at
that time.

SPEAKER_00 (29:49):
Yeah, because I mean it's just absolutely disgusting
the attacks on people, theconstitution, just the the
foundational of like who we areas Americans.
It's just it's shameful rightnow.
It's just so shameful that somany people are on board with
this.
You know, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (30:07):
Well, let's uh maybe we'll shift to the last uh last
topic here, which uh no NoKing's Day is coming up in
October.
Yeah.
And I don't just want to talk,usually we just give that as an
announcement, but I'd like totalk about it more as far as uh
what's going on in the media andhow the administration basically
is starting to pay attention tosome of this stuff.

SPEAKER_00 (30:25):
So yeah, Mike Johnson's even mentioned you
know the protests and you know,saying that we're uh Antifa and
things like that.
And and again, Antifa they'resaying it's gonna be a terrorist
rally, right?
Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 (30:37):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (30:38):
And you know we we learned during the war on terror
that like when you have anebulous foe, you can do
whatever the hell you want.
Yes.
And so when they start throwingout Antifa and things like that,
it's a nebulous foe.
So if there's justifies youright, yeah, and like and we've
had agitators in our crowd.
We had a guy with a 45 Trumpjersey on throwing rocks at cars

(30:59):
one time, like like uh we had aguy you know put uh a fake bomb
threat in, and then you know, aswe're trying to get information,
he assaulted one of ourmarshals.
There's agitators in the crowdalready, and so those agitators
in front of the right people canreally set things off.

SPEAKER_02 (31:14):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (31:15):
Um, and it gives them that spark that they're
looking for.
Uh when we come out on the 18th,we are gonna be peaceful.
We you know, we have you know alot of planners that are already
planning their costumes, andthen you know it's gonna be a
fun time with with uh differentcommunity organizations.
Um we'll have some workshops onyou know how to uh do the rapid

(31:38):
response for corn and thingslike that.
And then uh some folks want todo a march afterwards.
So we'll be at 12 to 3 at thepark, and then folks are talking
marching afterwards, and we'llyou know we'll we'll try to keep
people you know on the sidewalksand and you know where they're
supposed to be to keepeverything peaceful and you know
up in inside the boundaries ofthe law.
Yeah, um, because we don't wantto be the ones that cross the
city.

(31:58):
Don't be the example of whatthey're talking about.
Exactly.
We want to go out there and showthem that you know we're here,
we're gonna keep using our FirstAmendment, right?
We're not afraid of you.
Um, you know, that there's gonnabe but like you said, they're
they're gonna look for that oneagitator, and it's gonna like
somewhere in the country, youknow.
I think the last the last bigprotest day started off with uh

(32:20):
the political assassinations inuh Minnesota.

SPEAKER_02 (32:22):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (32:22):
So so I mean, the the these things are getting
dicier and dicier everyone.

SPEAKER_01 (32:27):
Well, the condition of the of the of what's going on
in America right now, especiallyfor this one, like okay, so one
of the news kind of sound bitesthat I heard, uh, and this came
from the right, but it does makeit does sound believable or it
makes sense.
It makes sense from a politicalperspective.
They said the government's gonnastay shut down until after the
No Kings riot, because theDemocrats have to go out and put

(32:48):
on a performance because theyhave no power to do anything
within the government.
Like they're they're they're notgoing to get what they're asking
for, period, right?
If anything, Trump's just gonnakeep making it worse and worse
and firing more people and he'sgonna pressure them into
collapsing.
So they can collapse 20 daysfrom now, or they could have
collapsed last week.
I prefer that they would havecollapsed last week because the
Democrats have nothing.
They have nothing, no dog in,like, they have no way to gain

(33:10):
anything out of any of this.
But if they wait until the 18th,go out to all these marches and
grab the bullhorn, show theirface, say, I'm fighting for you,
then they can go back and losethe argument with a little bit
of face to get them into thewhatever re-election cycle or
whatever, you know, the midtermsituation that they're about to

(33:31):
face, right?
And that the government won't,there's no way they're gonna
even consider voting on any ofthis until after that protest
happens because they all have togo out and basically apologize
before they go back and vote andand reopen the government.
They need to go to theirconstituents and say, I'm sorry,
I can't win this argument.
Now I'm gonna go back and goahead and open the government
back up, right?

(33:52):
That was what they're that'swhat the right is saying.
Okay.
And there's some veins of truthin it, right?

SPEAKER_00 (33:59):
And except except it's all built on bullshit
because the house speaker isn'teven calling them in for a vote.

SPEAKER_01 (34:05):
They are, but they already passed the house, it's
through the house, and theSenate is voting on what the
house already passed, right?
Like there's no thing open fornegotiation right now.
Nobody's negotiating anything.
And it's as you know, the househouse votes first and gives it
to the Senate, or depending onthe legislation, sometimes it
goes the other way around,right?
But in these funding bills, itgoes house passed, then Senate.
The House is our that's whythey're in recess because they

(34:26):
passed it, right?
Right.
They don't have anything else todo, right?
They have to wait for the Senateto send it back to them.
Yeah, that's I thought they justhappened, it happened in the
last day.
Okay, right.
Like it what that wasn't thatthe case on it was not the case
on Friday.
Nothing that got sent back tothe House.
So the House's step is done.
The Senate is the the linchpinhere, yeah, right.

(34:48):
And the it requires 60 votes inthe Senate, right, to pass this
funding bill.
And that's the breakdown, right?
Is that it would require likeeight or nine Democratic
senators, right?

SPEAKER_00 (34:59):
Yeah, but but I still see this as just uh
another uh noise distractionaway from Epstein vials.
You know, that that makes itsuch a big deal.
This is a very effective themmaking such a big deal out of
peaceful protests where peopleare just showing up and using
their First Amendment, like youknow, it's always uh peaceful
until ICE gets involved.

SPEAKER_01 (35:19):
Do you think the government shutdown is going to
lead to more people being morevote motivated to come out on at
this next protest?

SPEAKER_00 (35:26):
I think so.
Yeah, like I do too.

SPEAKER_01 (35:28):
Yeah, because uh I think people that would normally
wouldn't care or don't even payany attention to the government
are about to miss out onsomething and then they're gonna
be like, wait a minute, right?
What's happening?
Right?
Like when people, so many peoplethat have been able to ignore
the politics so far, yeah, arenow running out of options to
ignore the politics, right?
Like it's coming for them,right?
Services that benefits thewhatever, even just legal stuff

(35:50):
they need to do, they can't do,right?
Like, even if it's not I'mmissing out on food support, is
like I need to file my you knowfederal taxes or something like
that for my business, and Ican't, you know.

SPEAKER_00 (36:01):
Yeah, yeah.
The uh the lines at the foodbanks are already a lot longer
with folks in uniform standingin those lines.
Yeah.
Um, yeah, I I I think it'scoming to to roost right now.
You know, like and we kind ofsaid it all year long that you
know, this harvest season whenyou know things aren't you know
as well as well as they shouldbe or what they were, people are
gonna realize it.

(36:22):
You know, like things aregetting bad for a lot of folks
and there's no end in sight.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (36:28):
Yeah, I think there'll be more people this
time.
I think there'll be more peoplethat are more, I guess,
motivated for writing.
I guess most protests, you oftenonly get more extreme people,
right?
You get people that are closerto the edges from either side of
the spectrum, right?
I feel like when the governmentshutdown's going on and when
this economic impact is startingto impact more people, the
amount of reasons, the types ofreasons that would get somebody

(36:49):
to come out and protest, theidea of like no king, I feel
like there's a lot more of them,right, in what exists in
people's daily lives right now.
So I do think there'll be morepeople out this time around.
I do think that um Trump'sarguments of like if you spit,
we hit, you know, that kind ofstuff, that's gonna happen.
Right.
Yeah, there's gonna be someviolence that that kind of gets
coming from both sides, right?

(37:10):
Like there's the the people areready, you know.
There's gonna be some violencein some places on there, they're
yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (37:16):
There's definitely folks out there that think it's
time to you know start startdoing stuff.
And it's like well, once youcross that line though, you
don't come back.
Yeah, like me personally, like Iwon't cross that line.
Like I like even if uh I get youknow involved in something and
you'll get arrested, like I'mjust dropping.
Like, like you guys can carrydead weight.
I'm not I'm not fighting you.
Like if I'm arrested, rest is onyou.

(37:38):
Yeah, you know, keep me safe.
Keep me out of here and keep mesafe.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm not fighting you.

SPEAKER_01 (37:42):
I'm in a liability on your behalf now.
Just fine.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (37:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So like, you know, I'm not gonnacross into any kind of violence.
Um, but there's folks out therethat, you know, they're they're
scared and they're gonna react.

SPEAKER_01 (37:59):
The shutdown.
What's your take on theDemocrats are painting this as a
single topic issue, right?
Over health care, is usuallywhat I only think I hear people
on the left side talk about itis health care, period.
Right?
One issue.
I have not heard any other issueas a point of contention.
It's the only thing they want tonegotiate about.

(38:21):
Yes, and and that's it.
Yes, it's just that one issue.
Now, whatever.
Healthcare, important, notimportant, rack and stack it.
Um, it doesn't matter where itfalls on priorities.
Congress, I think it's safe tosay, let's say they have about
20 topics that are up for debateor used as political weight or

(38:41):
tools or leverage against eachother at any given time, right?
They're responsible for ahundred different things in
American society, but there'sprobably about a fifth of those,
maybe twenty topics that areused as political gamesmanship
or weight in an argument, right?
So we've got one out of 20 thatwe're shutting the government
down for.
Is that appropriate?

SPEAKER_00 (39:02):
What do you think?
Uh so I wouldn't make theargument just for healthcare.
I would make the argument tostop the rise of fascism.
Like, if you're willing to funda fascist government, then
you're complicit in it.
Like, I don't agree.
I don't agree with what they'redoing on so many other levels.

SPEAKER_01 (39:21):
Pick one issue, but make it a much more important or
a more drastic issue.
Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 (39:26):
And like, you know, they need to, you know, walk
their lines and say things like,you know, it's this, this.
Yeah.
But me, like, good, shut itdown.
Like, I do not want to see morepeople getting kidnapped,
priests getting shot in theface.
Um, and and I mean, months ago,they triggered the
anti-deficiency act at HomelandSecurity.
They've already blown pastbudgets.
Oh, so this is not about fundinghealth care.

(39:48):
If you, if we can go, if we canblow the deficiency act uh and
fund all these operations, if wecan gold plate the White House,
build a$200 million ball room,we can provide this health care.
Yeah.
This is about stopping fascism.
This is about actually standingup in the resistance that we've
been asking for.
This is they have an opportunityto resist right now.

(40:09):
This is what they need to do inthe key to it.
And if it's if they if thatneeds to be the flag that they
carry, the$1.5 trillion, becauseeven that's working, because uh
Marjorie uh Taylor Green there'sdefect a little bit.
Right, she's saying, like, yeah,my kids, yeah, their their
things are gonna are gonnadouble and triple.
You know, that they're actuallystarting to do it.
So she's caring, not becauseit's gonna affect her, which

(40:30):
again frustrates me.
Like, oh, we only care when itaffects you, but whatever.
Welcome aboard.

SPEAKER_01 (40:34):
That's what I was just like, there's so many more
people that are getting gettingaffected now.
Even MTG is uh getting pushed onby the Trump Mr.
You know, you know, so if she'sgetting rubbed out, like that's
that says something right therebecause she was cheerleader
number one, rah, rah, big T onher chest throat up until this
year, pretty much, right?

SPEAKER_00 (40:54):
Yeah, that's crazy.
Yeah, and she's another onethat's on the list of uh to sign
for the Epstein files, too.
She's one of the four defectorsthat they have to give rid of
the or to release the Epstein uhlists.

SPEAKER_01 (41:06):
So I I I don't see the senators that are Democrats
that are holding up the showright now, well, however you
want to say it, standing fortheir morals, whatever.
Yeah, all I hear them talkingabout is healthcare.
All I hear them talking about isspecifically the premium rate
change, right?
That's like all I hear.
And even if I was directlyimpacted by that and I was like,

(41:28):
damn, I'm gonna like I'm gonnahave to pay so much money next
year, I still wouldn't want thegovernment to be shut down over
that.
You know what I'm saying?
Like if that was directlyimpacting me, like, hey, your
$2,000 is not gonna be$4,000next year, I'd be like, that's
terrible.
I need to vote for somebodythat's gonna fix this in the
future, right?
And so what I my wish forDemocrats would be recognize

(41:49):
that you are, you have no, youdon't have the House, the
Senate, or the White House.
You are in the loser's positionright now and have not jacked
shit you can do about it untilNovember of next year.
Yeah, right.
And so closing the governmentdown between here and there
serves no purpose because youare in the loser seat, right?
You you you cannot, you don'thave that.

(42:12):
That's not the way ourgovernment's built.
There's no lever to pull.

SPEAKER_00 (42:14):
It's the whole problem with the two party
system.
Yeah, like the minority party isjust opposition party.

SPEAKER_01 (42:20):
If the minority party, but we get to balance
things out if one of those threethings is tilted in the other
direction, right?
But this has happened on bothsides.
There's been Obama had a uh asweep, he had a three-peat of
all of them, right?
And that's how we got the ACA,right?
So this happens on both sides ofthe aisle, where you get the
three-peat and the losers shutup and complain, complain,

(42:41):
complain, complain, and then donothing because they can't, they
don't have the votes, right?
And I'm I'm okay with theDemocrats were understanding you
have to focus on the midtermsnext year.
You have to take notes, andevery time that they win, just
just write it down.
Hey, your premiums went up lastyear because of them.
Yeah, you holding the governmentclosed to prove that point does

(43:04):
not serve the purpose.
All right, to me, it doesn'tserve the purpose.
Focusing on winning midterms andbeing able to reverse decisions
or bring legislation that thatequalizes the problem that's
being created right now.
I understand that's a year ortwo away.
I understand that's a couplethousand dollars away per year
for a few people.
Yeah, like I get that impact,but I don't believe that

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shutting the government downright now is going to change
that at all, right?
I just don't think the Democratsare gonna pull any rabbits out
of any hats at all.
Nothing is gonna happenbeneficial in their direction.
I don't think at all.
Zero win, nothing but holdingthe government closed for a
while until enough people areupset enough about it.
Trump has fired 50,000 morefederal employees, and then we

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open back up, that'll be it.
There's gonna be scars anddamage and nothing to show for
it about December 1st, somethinglike that.

SPEAKER_00 (43:56):
I mean, if they I don't think they'll keep it
down.
I don't think we'll misspaychecks on the first.
Uh so I don't think I don'tthink they have the balls to
keep it to let it be.
I don't think they have theballs to let it be as effective
as it could be.
Yeah.
You know, I I think they will, Ithink though, I think they'll
cave.
But uh, I think if they if theywanted to, they could make it
hurt so that we could actuallyhave uh a change in regimes.

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I don't think they can't I don'tknow.
There's no lever.

SPEAKER_01 (44:23):
What lever are they gonna pull on, man?

SPEAKER_00 (44:24):
Uh the well the 25th amendment.

SPEAKER_01 (44:27):
Where's the pressure come from?
Well, the the pressure, uh likehow do the democrats create
pressure to create the outcomeyou're talking about?

SPEAKER_00 (44:34):
Well, it starts with their their radicals changing,
like uh Taylor Green there,Bobart's change, sure, you know,
change European.
If they start fracturing on theinside like that, yeah, and we
get those.

SPEAKER_01 (44:45):
That's them losing their themselves, right?
That's not the Democrats pullinga lever.
No, that's what I'm saying.
The Democrats don't have a leverto pull.

SPEAKER_00 (44:51):
No, they they have resolve.
If they have if they have it, ifthey have enough resolve, that
they could wait for this tohappen because they're good,
like the the longer it stays,the more people are gonna come
out.
The more people are gonna becalling their the
representatives.
And the the elections right noware still on.
Uh we see you know Trump youknow trying to start things with
Venezuela, and you mentioned youknow Russia being a big a big

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thing in the future where ifthat goes off, he could suspend
elections.
Yeah, and that's a realpossibility.
So, like right now is the timewhere if you stand up and have
resolve, you could end all ofthis by either invoking the 25th
amendment.
And and I'm I would not beexcited about JD Vance by any
means, but I think you would atleast set the precedent where,
like, okay, here's someguardrails.

(45:36):
Yeah, right.
Yeah, here's the guardrails backon.
Yeah.
But again, we need people on theright to feel that pressure and
actually know that there's gonnabe repercussions for the garbage
that's going on now.

SPEAKER_01 (45:51):
I will say that I would have never believed that
Marjorie Taylor Green would everraise her hand in defiance to
this administration.
Yeah.
And and so for all the thingswhat I would have said, nah,
like, no way, like hell wouldfreeze over first.
So that's encouraging, I guess,for what you're talking about,
right?
Like, because to me, the idea ofwhat you're talking about almost

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couldn't exist, right?
Under the uh masterful watch ofTrump and he how he keeps
everybody a crony.
It wouldn't matter how manypeople call one of those
representatives.
It wouldn't matter if everyRepublican that works for, you
know, that lives in thatrepresentative's district called
them tomorrow and said, I hatethis, they would have said Trump
knows what he's doing.
Yeah, right.
They go to those town halls andsay that anyway.

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Right, yeah, right.
So there's no most of thoseRepublican representatives
wouldn't won't defect, right?
They will not defect becauseit's a guaranteed you get fired,
right?
He will fire you throughprimary, right?
So, yes, of course, if you'regonna get fired by getting a
primary, then it it changes thebalance on how you think you're
doing your job moving forwardand how long you've been in
Congress, if you're running forsome other office, like all that

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stuff weighs in.
And it unfortunately it takesaway correct protecting the
career, takes away from doing agood job for some people.
So I didn't think this regimecould have any kind of
defection.
And I guess if we're seeing it,that's encouraging.

SPEAKER_00 (47:09):
Yeah, it is because I mean these are real effects on
real people.
You know, the farmers in Kansascan't hide from not being able
to sell their soybeans.
Sure.
And the fact that we bailed outVenezuela for them to go, you
know, sell their stuff to Chinabehind you, you know, like what
a like what a slap in the faceto all of our farmers.
To American creations.
And now they and now they wantto ask for a handout or a

(47:31):
bailout, whatever you want tocall it, socialism.
Yeah, but but yeah, it it's uhit's affecting real people and
it needs to be broadcasteverywhere.
And the more people like herthat has uh a totally different
you know, fan base andfollowing, and um she needs to
say those things, and it's likeit's still gross that it took

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this long.

SPEAKER_01 (47:54):
But thank you.
It's proof that there is a line,right?
That even the most diehard fans,you know, supporter,
cheerleader, whatever, has aline, right?
They have a line.
And I didn't think she would bethe person that would show us
where that line was.
But you know, uh, just likepeople were clapping for Donald
Trump for President Trump thisweek because of the peace in the

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uh in Israel and Gaza, I willclap for Marjorie Taylor Green
for saying, hey, enough isenough, right?
I didn't think she would ever bethe person that did.
Right.
So I will applaud her forfinally saying enough is enough.

SPEAKER_00 (48:28):
Yeah, that is credit where it's due.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (48:32):
Well, that's and that's how everybody was about
trying to clap for Donald Trump.
The same is like, is this reallythe end of the war?
And is this really what it lookslike?
Is this something we should beclapping about, or is there so
much more sinister stuff afootthat we're a real estate
developer?

SPEAKER_00 (48:48):
Yeah, he's gonna just sweep up land, his folks
are gonna sweep up land, he'sgonna get kickbacks.
It's just more oligarchs gettingmore land and money.
For sure.
That's what's gonna happen.
I mean, that is that's also atrue person.

SPEAKER_01 (49:01):
Yes.
Yeah, and uh the idea that he'sthe president of the peace
board, right?
Of the of the reconstructioneffort, right?
What does that mean?
Of the reconstruction effort,that's what that means, right?
Yeah, is that he's just gonna,you know, hook up people that
you know contractors orcontractors, yeah.
He's just gonna hook upcontracts throughout that whole

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region.
Um yeah with impunity, right?
There's no government in thePalestinian region to even push
back again, you know, they cando whatever they want, right?
Yeah, they there will be noresistance to that.
If Israel says if Israel gives athumbs up, then it'll happen,
right?
And anything that anyPalestinian, whatever looks like
a government there, they'll haveno vote in the process at all.

(49:44):
Yeah, yeah, I agree.
Anyways, I'm not looking forwardto how that all goes down.
I'm glad about the peacearrangement, but you know,
what's really gonna happen overthe next few weeks, who knows?

SPEAKER_00 (49:55):
Right.
Yeah, yeah, we got to see whatactually uh humanitarian aid
gets into those people becausethere's people that are starving
there and need assistance.
Uh what kind of humanitarian aidgets gets brought in?
Uh yeah, you know, we'll seewhat happens.

SPEAKER_01 (50:08):
But and how long, how long will the clock tick?
I'm gonna say days, not months,before a bus blows up in Tel
Aviv.
Days, not months, right?
Right.
Hamas ain't gone.
Hamas is not gone.
And they're gonna releaseseveral thousand Hamas prisoners
back to Gaza.

(50:28):
Yeah, those dudes are totallyhappy to go get on a bus and
blow themselves up.
Like it's not, it's just amatter of time.
So there's no end in that part,right?
The ugliest part of thisparticular conflict may be over,
but the the bloodline hatred isnot gone.
No, so we'll see.

(50:49):
Yeah, we'll see.
Maybe there'll be somethingabout that in the next episode.
Maybe next week we'll have somemore to talk about that.
And I guess maybe next week, wedidn't really touch it this
week, but next week maybe we'lltalk about Qatar having air
based on the city.
Oh my god, I totally forgotabout that.
Next week, we'll do it nextweek.
Right.
Hopefully, there's more news.
Either it's completelydisappeared from the news cycle,
maybe the pressure to make itnot happen will happen.

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I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 (51:11):
Hopefully.

SPEAKER_01 (51:12):
All right, so yeah, tune in next week.
Next week.
Thanks, everybody.
Bye.