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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of
Left Face.
My name is Adam Gillard, herewith my co-host, dick Wilkinson.
How you doing, buddy?
I'm doing great, adam man, it'sonly been a few days five days
since we last recorded and it ishitting the fan already.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Oh man, it's crazy Every day.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Yeah, I mean, let's kick it off.
Well, no, before we even gointo the chaos, let's start with
something that's going to bepretty cool and pretty positive.
We're going to have the noKings Rally here in Colorado
Springs on the 14th at noon,city Hall, and what we're going
to do is it's not just going tobe a protest.
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It's going to be a protest.
We'll have our signs, we'llhave our chance, but it's really
going to be a demonstration ofthe overall will and resolve of
the American people and ourability to herd cats.
So what we're going to try anddo is line the streets with
protesters from City Hall toUinta.
It'll be a mile long.
We have plans for all this.
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You just show up and we'll getyou taken care of.
And, at the same time, there'sgoing to be a team summoning
Pikes Peak with a banner,unfurling the banner and sending
us some pictures.
So, we'll have the highestprotest in the state and the
longest protest in the state.
Chicago had one that was 30miles long.
I don't know if we can pullthat off, but that's impressive.
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But it should be a great day.
We are always a peacefulprotest organization.
We believe in, you know,exercising our amendments
properly and effectively.
You know using our FirstAmendment effectively.
That's why we take the time toplan these things and execute
them, and then afterwardsPride's right down the street
and we can go hang out and partywith Pride.
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So it's going to be a greatweekend hang out and party with
pride.
So, uh, it's going to be agreat weekend.
Uh, I really hope everybody youknow, take the time to come
down, you know, either for ourstuff.
On Saturday or on Sunday, the,the parade for the pride's going
on.
Uh, my wife actually plans that.
So, um, we'll be driving forthe Dems.
So, yeah, I hope everybody getsout downtown this weekend.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
And, um, you know, for the listeners who aren't
familiar with why, is it calledno King's Day?
I mean, obviously we understandwhere the Donald Trump, as his
behavior is very king like, butthe thing that's happening on
Saturday, there is a trifecta ofevents in Donald's life.
It's Flag Day, it is the 250thbirthday of the US Army and it
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is the 79th birthday of the USArmy and it is the 79th birthday
of Donald Trump and he is goingto have a parade to celebrate
this wonderful trifecta and thatparade is a military pass and
review a la Kim Jong-un right.
He went there and saw that andhe was like why can't we do this
?
And he tried to do it in hisfirst term.
(02:43):
And I mean I don't know why itjust f was like why can't we do
this?
And he tried to do it in hisfirst term, yes, and I mean I
don't know why it just fizzledright.
Everybody just said this is aterrible idea.
Yeah, because he sang aboutPutin's praises.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Yeah, I think it was Putin's that he saw and he
started singing his praises.
Surprise, yeah, yeah, and it'sall to stroke his.
And I've seen the trains of thetanks.
Yeah, so many tanks, like thetrains, are hundreds of cars
long, with a couple of tanks ineach one.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
One is going to destroy the streets.
So there's $15 million, $16million set aside to repair road
damage in Washington DC.
And the Army said, oh, weshouldn't damage too much stuff,
Right?
Like they literally said thatthis week Right.
We've heard the army say thatyeah.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Right, I've said that yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Have you ever seen a city in another country after
the army rolled through?
Right, it's not there anymore.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
And then just to go to if you are putting 15
millions into your roads, youare shutting down traffic, you
are making everybody's livesmiserable.
For the next six months to fixthose roads.
Oh yeah, in DC, in DC, yeah.
So you're not just screwing upthe roads and cost us money to
fix it, but everybody there isgoing to feel the effects of it.
Yeah, it's just going to.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
The budget right now for the parade is I believe it
was $45 million, jesus, andthat's to get all the soldiers
there, get all the equipmentthere.
Like you said, that costs a lotof money to move a brigade of
people.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
That's a couple million dollars a day, and then
they all have to start stayingin Trump hotels.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah, that's true?
Yeah, yep, so you're not wrong.
The parade is expensive andsome people I guess there's a
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small group of what you wouldcall patriotic people, maybe I
don't know what they woulddescribe doing something as
complicated and expensive asthis is.
So just doing something becauseit looks cool, is that worth
$45 million?
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Right.
One thing I really hate aboutAmerican culture is the hero
worship that we have of soldiers, veterans, everything Just kind
of blanket.
I appreciate when people saythank you to me, but I know that
they say that to everybody.
I know that not every veteranis a good veteran.
Oh sure, sure, you know what Imean.
I think we have too much heroworship here, sure.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
So haven't you seen my cards covered in stickers,
man?
I want everybody to know, youknow.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
You know, and I'm comfortable with people doing
that, but it's when people don'tstop and think about it's not
the equipment that we should becelebrating, it's the people
that are operating the equipment.
Okay Right.
So even just taking all thisequipment to show you it's not I
don't know, it just doesn'thold, it shouldn't have any
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intrinsic value to us.
The people behind it shouldhave that value, not the stuff
that's killing people.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
It's made straight up to kill people, tanks and
rocket launchers rolling throughthe streets.
Again, it just looks cool.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
That's it, that is 100%, but we should not glorify
that stuff.
People now think that it's easyto pull a trigger and kill
people, and now we have 7,000Marines supporting in LA that
are trained Well, it's 700Marines, but it's 2,000, almost
4,000 National Guard at thispoint.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
So we're getting close to 5,000 total troops.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yeah, you know and these are folks that you know,
we talked a little bit aboutthis where, when you go into
these situations, you're trainedto shut off your humanity.
You know you, you're trained toshut off your humanity.
You're going to do bad things.
That's why so many soldierscome back with PTSD and other
traumatic experiences.
They're trained to do badthings.
And now they're looking atAmerican people.
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They're stopping and they'vebeen given the authority to take
people Detain, to detain, andif there's any interactions or
destruction of governmentproperty or personnel, they have
authorization to detain, and sothat means if any ICE member
gets a brick thrown at them or awater bottle squirted at them,
or anything minor even they areallowed to engage, yeah, and
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that should scare people Because, again, they are well-trained,
yeah, and they're trained tofollow orders.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
And the whole posse comitatus situation of not
deploying military on US soilwhere basically the targets of
engagement would be US people.
Right that there's precedentand law both that says this is
not how we do business, right?
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Donald Trump mentioned that inhis first term he had too many
political hurdles to be able todeploy troops in the way that he
wanted to, and we all have readthe different quotes where he
said well, can't you just shootthe protesters in the legs or
just shoot at them, but you knowlike, don't kill them?
Right, and so his, his, um, wewouldn't expect him, having not
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been a politician or agovernment official ever before,
to have much awareness aroundrules of engagement or law
enforcement activity.
Um, so I don't.
I don't want to say that heshould have known better, but at
the same time, just the basicmentality of a citizen to say,
shoot other citizens like that.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
That's a part where you should know better, right,
like without knowing the lawsand precedent you know, yeah,
yeah, a little shorter humanityshould be there.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah, that's not right Right.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
And so you know the idea that the cops are just
going to go out andindiscriminately shoot at a
crowd to disperse the crowd.
That's what he wanted to do inthe first round.
And so now he just recentlysaid, as the situation in LA has
been boiling over in the lastweek, he said that I don't have
those hurdles anymore and Ithink we've basically found our
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roadmap to be able to do thisand do it legally, and we've
found the golden ticket to dothe thing that I wanted to do in
my first term.
And we're only a few monthsinto this.
You know, like he didn't waitany amount of time really to
crack this can open, yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
And you know, because we talked about it way back
when they started talking aboutthese authorization zones you
know they're going to start atthe border and they're going to
move to wherever you want.
That's true, and they're goingto move to wherever you want.
That's true, and they're goingto move this one into LA.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I wonder how much similarity there is between the
deployment orders that sentpeople down to the southern
border and the deployment ordersthat sent people to LA.
They look almost exactly alike.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Funny story the folks that deployed down to the
border left without orders.
Okay, and they just got someform of TDY orders recently, but
for a long time like theyweren't even they were just
there, it was all vocalvocational orders, or vocational
vocal orders.
Yeah, um, yeah, yeah, so likeit's happening so fast that, but
yeah, they probably have someblanket statements in the travel
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system, yeah, so that would bea an interesting clue.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
I mean, they've already mentioned um and so I
guess I'll.
I'll take this opportunity totalk about Pete Hexeth, one of
the congressmen from California.
Pete Hexeth was in a hearingthis week in Congress and the
congressman from California waspushing back against the idea
that federal troops are deployedthere now.
And he said there's threedifferent factors within the
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insurrection act that say that,you know, the government or the
federal government can deploytroops over the top of the
governor or local authorities.
And he said he listed off thethree different ones which one
was like an invasion by aforeign nation.
The local authorities have lostthe ability to maintain law and
order like full on, you know,just the cities like like broke
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down, like gone.
You know what I'm saying.
And then the last one was thatthe federal government was not
able to do some something toexecute their duties and laws.
And so he said which one ofthose three things is the
condition for deploying thesetroops?
And Pete Hicks said well, youjust read all those off, sounds
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like all three to me.
And he was just very brash.
He was like we don't need rulesis basically what he was saying
.
Like thanks for reading thoserules out loud.
The troops are there andthey're not leaving, so read
them again if you want, but Idon't care.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah.
So if we run through those thefirst one I could see them
saying, well, yeah, mexico'sletting all these citizens come
in, and that's what Fox Newsthat's the headline on every top
of the hour is that.
You don't say that aboutanother nation as us, as a world
leader in air quotes.
(11:22):
You don't say that anothernation has.
That's a war.
Correct If you say that you'restarting a war, correct.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
With Mexico.
That did not happen.
No, mexico has a uniformedmilitary that has not deployed
Exactly, but they have deployedto defend our border Right, but
they have not deployed to crossour border Right yeah.
And then what was the secondone?
That the local authorities hadlost the ability to execute the
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law.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
So I have some people that know, folks that are in
those protests right now, andthe chaos and the stage scene
that you see is a small, smallportion of what's going on there
.
It's like a of a block.
Yeah, they were talking aboutone square mile you know,
between two different capital Imean federal buildings there
(12:13):
Right when you got thousands andthousands of people out there
protesting.
Yeah, so you know, it'sridiculous to think that the
city has broken down to thepoint where you need martial law
when it's one corner out of acity that size, right, you know?
Um, yeah, yeah, that that's uh,but that's just another scare
tactic that you always see themuse, and it's so blanket and
vague and nobody ever goes back.
(12:35):
They just see that one pictureof the guy standing on a burning
car with a mexican flag andthey're like well, americans are
done with this.
This has got to stop.
What are?
Are you talking about, man?
Like it's just ridiculous.
The reactions and the fearsells so easily to folks.
Now, they just love it.
Well, and you?
Speaker 2 (12:51):
know, I think I've pointed out that recently I'm
Trying to balance my news intake, kind of like my, you know,
benafiber or something.
I've been trying to balance mynews intake and man, when I was
checked out on Sunday and Mondayfrom the news that was going on
, and so Monday afternoon when Ikind of checked back into the
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real world, I saw that what wasgoing off in LA, and so I said,
man, this is my chance, Like Iget, to see what's the
difference between CNN and Foxnews over the same topic,
because I guarantee the top ofthe like six o'clock hour,
they're both going to leave withthis story.
And what story am I going tohear?
Well, cnn was being overlydramatic.
They were standing rightoutside the federal building and
(13:36):
they were.
They were just using all kindsof you know rhetoric of like, oh
, it's a tinderbox, oh, tensionsare high, oh, peaceful
protesters, but there'sagitators, oh, and they just had
the same little script and theyhad like five different people
in different parts of the youknow what's one square mile and
they just all walked aroundacting like they.
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You know they were going to getblown up or something, and, and
so they were overly dramaticabout it.
And then, of course, they justbeat again.
They beat down the narrative ofit's the federal government's
fault, people are mad that theNational Guard is here, people
are mad because of ICE, and itwas all very pro-argument of the
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protesters and very one-sided.
Okay, so that was that version.
Then I flipped over to fox news.
Man, total is so far oppositewhich you would expect it to be
opposite, but it was a differentnews story that had the same
pictures in it.
That's how far away.
It was right, and it was the.
There's a foreign invasion.
(14:37):
Here's the proof.
And they showed four or fiveclips of both pictures and
videos of people driving aroundwith Mexican flags.
And they said those people areall illegal citizens from
another country.
They're not American citizens.
They're waving the flag oftheir home country.
They're attacking governmentpersonnel and government
buildings.
What would you call that?
Right?
And they read out all that as adefinition Right?
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And they said there you go.
That's proof that we are beinginvaded, right?
And then Circumstantial proof.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Obviously Sure right, but I mean it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
It does not matter at all.
This is the court of publicopinion right.
The Democratic-run state andlocal governments are feeble and
inept and they are trying toresist law and order in the
federal government.
And hold on, I haven't told youabout this yet.
(15:28):
He said I'm ready to talk.
He said this is Jesse Waters.
You're welcome, jesse.
I'll give you the plug everynow and then.
Jesse said that the idea that astate government is resisting
the authority of the federalgovernment, that sounds like
secession to me, he said.
And the last time the Democratsled a secession it didn't turn
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out so well.
So think twice before you goout to these protests, because
that could basically put you onthe wrong side of the Civil War.
That's what.
Jesse Waters said that's theroad.
He went on.
He went and he said GavinNewsom wants a Civil War and
California wants to leave theUnion because they'd rather have
Mexican immigrants thanAmerican citizens in the streets
.
That was their top of the hournews story.
(16:11):
So you had Aaron Burnett sayingthis water bottle is going to
kill somebody and then you hadJesse Watters saying California
is starting a Civil War.
Yeah, Wow.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
So I think it's pretty interesting that Fox News
took that judge's or thelawmaker's question there and
used it for their talking points.
Yeah, you could see themstarting to spread that
propaganda and seed it to say,like it does meet these
justifications, because I saidit yesterday, remember, it does
meet that.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah, they like oh yeah, it does meet these
justifications because I said it, yes, yeah, remember it does
meet that, yeah, and they'vebeen trying to spoon feed that
into the narrative since thebeginning of the unrest, really,
and just kind of get it drip itin there, and that I am a
little bit annoyed becausethere's a truth and somebody
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knows the truth Arguments overGavin Newsom and Donald Trump
speaking on Friday night, slashSaturday morning and then again
on Monday, and whether or not umTrump ever made it explicitly
clear that he was going to sendin the troops during any of
those conversations, or GavinNewsom made it explicitly clear
that, like everything was undercontrol and there was no need
for troops, they disputingwhether, what times they even
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spoke with each other, and thenthey're disputing what they
talked about when they did talkto each other, so that that
part's murky and I'm not justgoing to automatically trust
Gavin Newsom on this one, likeyou know there's a website that
parents use when they're, youknow, like trying to co-parent
and they can't talk nice to eachother and like, so that we know
what they say and what they say.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Do we need the president to set this up with
the governor so that we can?
Speaker 2 (17:49):
co-parent everybody Signal.
They just need to use signalright Back on signal.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
But the fact that we have so many adults trying to
just act like childrenconstantly and just have these
pissing contests of I said this.
No, I didn't say that.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Just like we are in a position where you should be
clear, like do not send thetroops.
Yeah, we got this.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Well, and that's the public statements.
But the problem is, is that onthe phone what happened?
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Exactly, you know Exactly.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Did you say it on the phone?
Yeah, like, every communicationneeds to be, like, recorded
with these phones.
Yeah, well, um, you know, andagain, that may be what the
archivists that are studying oursecond civil war, you know,
they may get to the bottom ofthat, you know.
Yeah, I don't think we're onthe cusp of that right now.
Um, I'm going to bring up atotally related topic, but it's
just a different event thathappened this week.
Donald Trump went to Fort Bragg,north Carolina, and he set up a
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situation where he had a bunchof troops behind him and you
know, presidents do that.
They go and visit people, govisit units, deployed units,
whatever you know.
Like good, that's good actually.
But of course, donald Trump ummade this the most perverted
version of that that you could.
And so he got out there, he gotthe wall of soldiers set up
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behind him, he got the camerashot set up and then he did a
political rally with on amilitary base, with nothing but
military members and theirfamily members in uh, in
attendance, right, and he got upthere and said look at this
great crowd.
Do you think President Bidencould have attracted a crowd
like this?
No way.
And then people started booingPresident Biden and then he said
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you know, you're, all yourbrothers and sisters in arms are
out in California and they're.
They're top level professionalsand they're doing a great thing
.
They're deployed and they'reprotecting our streets right now
because the mayor of LA and thegovernor of California won't do
it.
Boo, all these people arebooing.
Right, there's soldiers inthose units from California,
guaranteed right, there arecitizens of California in that
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formation, promise you, it'simpossible not to be.
You know what I'm saying.
And so they had them booingelected officials that were
political opponents.
They had them booing just theideas of you know the woke
culture and different thingslike that.
He was just trotting outcampaign rhetoric, yeah, like it
was the day before the electioncampaign, and but he was doing
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it with the audience of soldiers, right, man?
I mean, I'm when I'm upset withhim, I'm fully disgusted.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Yeah, that is such a, it was the worst thing I've
ever seen a president do in thatsetting Right as far as got the
troops on hand.
What am I going to do to shinehere?
He just the worst thing hecould possibly do.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Yeah, that's grotesque, because a lot of you
know I don't want to say a lot,but they're in an environment
that, like you have to go there,you have to be there, and then,
when you keep hearing thisinformation and then the
president says these things,like that means something to
these folks.
Like, when the president talks,like they listen, yeah, and for
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him to sit there and rally andto not only, you know, just to
celebrate the attacking of theprevious administration.
The folks that are going outthere, you know, trying to talk
about them as being like theheroes that you know when we
went to Iraq and Afghanistan,like well, they're fighting in a
war for you right now.
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Man that's scary, I mean thatalone crossed the line.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Like you know, biden's just a senile old
bastard right Boo Like that nono, that's not what the
military's for Ever.
There's never a situation wherethat makes sense.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
You said that you don't think we're there at the
Civil War point yet.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
What do you think would be the red red line like
when does that, when does thatbecome a reality?
You know so.
I mean the stepping on, youknow, federal versus state stuff
is the.
Is this the thing, right?
Speaker 1 (21:52):
you know I mean the south has argued states rights
for a long time now.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
I know that's the thing that drives me crazy is
that I'm a states rights kind ofguy, right, right I am.
I like the idea, right, right,but this is so opposite of that,
right, but it's Donald Trump'sparty that it is all about
states rights, because theybelieve that that gives them the
opportunities for religiousfreedoms and sexual reproductive
stuff and all you know all thedifferent things that they want
to make their little havens ofcultural pockets.
(22:17):
And I'm like all right, finethat, I'm kind of fine with that
, right, but the, the, thefracturing, and and what could
get there is when martial lawtype deployments only happen in
blue states, when, if, let's say, atlanta gets hot, I don't know
, atlanta's kind of blue,georgia's a red state, but uh,
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let's pick somewhere.
I don't know, atlanta is kindof blue, georgia is a red state,
but let's pick somewhere else.
I don't know, virginia Beach,maybe, just someplace that's
like you wouldn't think of it.
Let's say there's a city whereit's more of a red place and it
goes off and the National Guarddon't show up.
Right, dallas is going down inDallas and Austin, right now
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there's been the threat ofdeployment of troops there.
The problem there in Texas is,you know, if for our listeners
I'm a Texan they would go for it, no matter what we like the
idea of guns and troops and blah, blah blah.
So that's almost a.
The governor would do itwithout the, without the
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president needed to be involved.
But there's other places thatwould not.
I don't know Arkansas, you know.
Just think the South right.
Will the national guard rollout through the South, or are
they only going to show up inblue States Right Like Michigan?
Speaker 1 (23:32):
you know, they got, you know a blue states, right
like michigan.
You know they got, you know, ablue governor right now.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
But there's, you know , chicago is obviously the other
target, right, like how manynational guard troops are going
to show up in chicago, right,right, but then when it goes off
in oklahoma city, nobody showsup, right like that.
That would be probably a verybig step if federal policy
starts to start picking sides onhow this, this type of behavior
happens, which, you know, babysteps, right, they got four
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years to do this, three and ahalf left.
Step one establish the modusoperandi for having troops
protecting ICE enforcement,right, that's what we see
happening right now and thatcreaks that door open for the
presence of troops in all sortsof other federal activities.
And then, you know, look atthat posture six months down the
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road, and if you have troops insome places and troops not in
other places that are having thesame problems, that's when my
like alarm bells would start togo off, like, oh, they're
pre-positioned, yeah, you knowwhat I'm saying.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah, that's interesting because you know you
have the intelligencebackground, so it's interesting
to hear you talk about that.
One other thing I wanted totalk about on the big national
stage here, or, you know,international stage, is the Iran
and Israel conflict.
That's kind of really sternright now.
You talked about movements,troop movements, things like
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that.
What we're seeing right now isour embassies in Iraq getting
emptied out, folks moving,Bombers from Diego Garcia are
taking off and getting closer tothe action and getting closer
to the action.
We're seeing a lot of movementsthat indicate that not only if
Israel strikes Iran because wethink that's going to happen
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pretty soon A preemptive yeah,they're going to attack
somewhere in the nuclearindustry in Iran.
And Iran has said when thathappens, they're going to attack
US and Israel locations, yeahentities, everywhere, yeah,
assets.
And they have the capability,they have a lot of.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Oh, they've done it even in Syria, where they've
Iran has attacked US interestsin Syria.
So yeah, there's not a borderthat prevents them from
executing attacks over there.
Right, they have proxieseverywhere.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Yeah, um, with, you know, the bombers taken off from
Diego Garcia, uh, nuclearcapable.
This could be one of thesituations where, you know,
Trump feels it's his time to gonuclear.
Um, because Iran's responseslast time landed really close to
Israel's nuclear weapons thatare out in the desert, like they
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landed really close to some ofthem, and so they could take
that as an existential threat,and if Israel faces an
existential threat, they launchtheirs and the whole place turns
to glass.
They're cool with that.
We don't hear anything aboutthis on the big news though,
like CNN, like you said, they'refocusing on those dangerous
water bottles floating around,and there's nothing on this,
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when I think this is like itcould be come really hot last
night was the first time that Iheard anything about it, and it
was triggered by the us embassyevacuating people out of the
baghdad location.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
But they said there's no specific threat, right,
right, there's no danger to themin that like it's not unrest in
Baghdad or some planned attackwhere they're like, uh-oh, you
know, these people are going toget smoked, right?
They just said we're just notgoing to be there for a while.
Yeah, yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
You know.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
If there's an indicator, that's it.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
You know we don't want to be in the middle.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
The middle, uh.
We have nothing we can dobeneficial from here if rockets
start flying up in bothdirections over our head, so
we'd be much better off back ina safer place, right?
So don't know where thosepeople are going to, but you
know they're.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
They're moving as many of the folks out of that
embassy location as they canlike right now so when we
assassinated uh salamani oniraqi soil and iran responded to
that, they like gave us theheads up where it was going.
So we were able to move somethings and there were still like
14 head injuries, like TBIsfrom that attack.
Yeah, but, but for the mostpart, we were.
(27:44):
We were, we got the notice, wewere able to evacuate, we were
able to protect people andassets.
When they say, when there'snothing, and they're moving
people, yeah, you know, like,yeah, it's unpredictable.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Yeah, people that are not us have a vote right, and
between Israel and Iran, wedon't have enough control in
either direction to know what'sgoing to happen, so we're just
going to get out of the middle.
You know, I agree that anotherstory I heard this morning that
(28:20):
again it's related to this, butthe more detail, excuse me,
another detail I heard.
So this morning.
It seems that the rhetoric orthe reporting is picking up some
um, the, and I had heard aboutthis, uh, maybe a month ago,
that the Iran nuclear deal, ifyou will, with the international
nuclear agency that's on thetable right now.
You know, everybody knew Iranwas not going to follow it or
play nice, and I thought it wasone of the worst things that
ever happened in the obamapresidency was the very sheepish
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position towards basicallysaying, well, don't make nukes,
but if you do, we basicallywon't do anything.
And that's where we've been forthe last, I think, eight or
nine years with them and that'sabout to expire, and so a lot of
the I think there's 12 or 13signatories on this treaty with
them and any of them can invokethis like drawback clause.
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Anybody can unilaterally say wedon't believe they're following
the agreement, iran is notfollowing the agreement and that
they're moving towardsweaponization, and we basically
nullify the clause.
That window, at the 10-yearmark, I think, expires in
October of this year, and so theclock is ticking for any one of
the member countries to pullthis clause and say that there's
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no protections for Iran, andall these sanctions just
automatically go back into place.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Now we're already out of that.
We pulled ourselves out of thatentire agreement.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Trump did yes, right, and so the UK and France are
still signatories, and both ofthem are basically the ones that
are kind of watching the clocksaying do we want to execute
this instead of either itexpires and there's nothing that
replaces it.
If we execute this now, thenthere's not a timeline on when
the repeal of this stops, so weget to basically get a bridge by
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executing it Now.
Iran has gotten to 60%enrichment on uranium and so
that is beyond commercial grade,beyond nuclear power
manufacturing.
That is only you're movingtowards weapons grade there.
So there's no reason to havethat except to produce a weapon.
They have some number ofhundreds of pounds of that
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material and it has been, youknow, verified that they have
built or you know finished someunderground facility and all
that stuff's going there.
So Iran is got theircentrifuges, they've got their
weapon, they got their weaponfactory built and they know,
they know the timeline the sameas everybody else.
So they're trying to get alltheir weapon fissile level
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material into this undergroundbunker before somebody pulls the
rope or before Israel shoots atthem.
So that's Israel's math.
And the whole thing too is likeif nobody does this by October,
we will, you know, becausewe're not going to move into a
future where there's norestrictions on Iran.
We're just not going to do that.
We're going to blow somethingup before that day comes
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
So I know a lot of because Iran's been close to a
nuclear weapon for you know 20years where people just say, oh,
they're weeks away, yeah,months away Breakout capacity
yeah, and you know it's one ofthose things where you have a
problem that you know you solvethe first half of it in 10 years
, so you think the second halfis going to take you 10 years.
(31:23):
Every step of that problem getsharder and harder and harder.
So it takes longer and longer,and one of the big things that
but they only ever inch forward.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
They never inch backwards, right, like the
people you're trying to control.
Don't get further away from aweapon throughout this process,
right?
They just get to take littletiny baby steps that basically
get codified along the way Likeoh well, it's okay that you did
that, but don't do any moreright and like every two years
they kind of finger wag at themoh, don't keep doing that.
And they just do it anyway.
(31:52):
Which is why I thought it was aterrible legacy for obama,
because I knew that iran wasjust like.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Ha ha ha they're just laughing about it.
But when you pull us out, likethey're gonna do it one way or
the other, when you pull us out,then we don't have well I eyes
on, I mean, but we we had anopportunity to be more
aggressive in the situation andnot you know, say no, no nuclear
power either, like no, none ofthat stuff.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
If you got uranium or plutonium in the borders of
Iran, wrong, you're wrong.
Yeah, right yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
To take a real hard ass stance like that.
Yeah, yeah, I guess that wouldbe kind of a.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
It's possible.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
And with nuclear energy.
It just bugs me how it couldabsolutely have saved humanity
but we chose it to destroy.
Yeah, it just frustrates me.
But one of the big things thatkeeps iran from, you know,
making an effective, uh,long-range missile is just the
miniaturization of it all.
But you know, through ai andall these other things, like all
this technology is going totransfer a lot easier.
(32:47):
It's going to be a lot easierto make plans and try little
things and like it's going toget that.
You know it's only going totake more, another 10 years,
like all that stuff's going toget that.
You know it's only going totake another 10 years, like all
that stuff is going to getexponentially.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's accelerated.
Yeah For sure.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Yeah, they're going to.
The timeline of them getting itis probably a lot shorter than
what some of the experts areseeing, I agree, and they're not
thinking it's going to be donetomorrow or anything.
But I think with the advent ofour technology, technological
advances, it's just comingfaster and faster I I guess I'll
look at it this way.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
I believe strongly in the resolve of israel that they
would rather go down fightingand get into just the you know
ugliest war possible with iran,versus wait and get into a
position where iran definitelyhas a nuclear weapon right like
I don't think they're gone, Ithink they would fight
(33:38):
themselves to death before thathappens you know, I went to
israel and I get a masada agent.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
He told us a story.
I pretty much said that exactsame thing right there.
Um, because they, uh, masada,if anybody's heard the story,
masada, look it up, it's a crazystory.
Um, but they, when you're 18,you join the military in
military in Israel and you walkup the back path of Masada, the
snake path, and you swear thatyou will never let Masada fall
(34:05):
again.
And he looked us in the eyesand he said and if we have to
turn this entire place tofucking glass, we will.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Yes, sir, okay.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Yeah, yeah, it was intense.
Yeah Well, sir, okay, yeah,yeah, it was intense, intense.
Yeah Well, what do they gothrough?
Speaker 2 (34:19):
And yeah, yeah, you're absolutely right, so I
think the resolve is there.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Right.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
So the you know timelines just dictate when that
resolve gets activated, yeah,so yeah, and there's, you know,
as we talk about like our owngovernment does this in certain
situations.
It's totally possible that Iranbasically allowed Hamas to do
what they've done over the lastcouple of years to get the
attention off of their nuclearprogram.
(34:43):
If everybody's got their troopsand ambassadors and inspectors
going through Gaza, they're notcoming to Tehran.
Yeah, that's fair too, and youknow it's really cheap for us.
To shake this faint right Likethis costs us just pennies
compared to what we're reallytrying to achieve, so this
distraction makes perfect sensefor them.
Yeah, you know that's thepurpose of all those proxy wars
(35:05):
that they have you know peckingat us and taking our eyes off
other things.
So that's, you know, movetowards a breakout capacity.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Yeah, so crazy, all right, well, we're going to wrap
this one up.
We got our best lunch thatwe're going to go to here in a
bit and hope to see y'all outthere on Saturday.
We'll get this one posted herepretty quick, but, yeah, hope to
see you out there and, like Isaid, this is going to be an
incredible demonstration of theAmerican will and you know, an
incredible demonstration of theAmerican will.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
And you know, I think my parting words to everybody
this week is hopefully, if youhear this episode before
Saturday, or you know what maygo into Sunday, be safe out
there.
Right, keep your wits about you.
Pay attention to yoursurroundings, pay attention to
where the law enforcement are,pay attention to where people
that are cheering and yellingagainst you know what you're
cheering and yelling about,where they're at, because we
(35:56):
don't want to see anybody gethurt.
Um, but with what's going on inLA recently, I think it's it's
just impossible to get to thisweekend without some kind of
disruption somewhere.
So watch out for that and, uh,you know, just get away from it
when that starts to happen.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Yeah, when people say disperse, disperse, you know,
uh, there's a lot more fightleft to be had here.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
You know.
So yeah, yeah, yeah, you can'tfight from jail.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Yes, yes, all right.
Well, thanks for joining usagain.
This is Left Face.
I'm Adam Gillard, with DickWilkinson Tune in next week.
Thanks,
Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of
Left Face.
My name is Adam Gillard, herewith my co-host, dick Wilkinson.
How you doing, buddy?
I'm doing great, adam man, it'sonly been a few days five days
since we last recorded and it ishitting the fan already.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Oh man, it's crazy Every day.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Yeah, I mean, let's kick it off.
Well, no, before we even gointo the chaos, let's start with
something that's going to bepretty cool and pretty positive.
We're going to have the noKings Rally here in Colorado
Springs on the 14th at noon,city Hall, and what we're going
to do is it's not just going tobe a protest.
(00:37):
It's going to be a protest.
We'll have our signs, we'llhave our chance, but it's really
going to be a demonstration ofthe overall will and resolve of
the American people and ourability to herd cats.
So what we're going to try anddo is line the streets with
protesters from City Hall toUinta.
It'll be a mile long.
We have plans for all this.
(00:57):
You just show up and we'll getyou taken care of.
And, at the same time, there'sgoing to be a team summoning
Pikes Peak with a banner,unfurling the banner and sending
us some pictures.
So, we'll have the highestprotest in the state and the
longest protest in the state.
Chicago had one that was 30miles long.
I don't know if we can pullthat off, but that's impressive.
(01:21):
But it should be a great day.
We are always a peacefulprotest organization.
We believe in, you know,exercising our amendments
properly and effectively.
You know using our FirstAmendment effectively.
That's why we take the time toplan these things and execute
them, and then afterwardsPride's right down the street
and we can go hang out and partywith Pride.
(01:41):
So it's going to be a greatweekend hang out and party with
pride.
So, uh, it's going to be agreat weekend.
Uh, I really hope everybody youknow, take the time to come
down, you know, either for ourstuff.
On Saturday or on Sunday, the,the parade for the pride's going
on.
Uh, my wife actually plans that.
So, um, we'll be driving forthe Dems.
So, yeah, I hope everybody getsout downtown this weekend.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
And, um, you know, for the listeners who aren't
familiar with why, is it calledno King's Day?
I mean, obviously we understandwhere the Donald Trump, as his
behavior is very king like, butthe thing that's happening on
Saturday, there is a trifecta ofevents in Donald's life.
It's Flag Day, it is the 250thbirthday of the US Army and it
(02:23):
is the 79th birthday of the USArmy and it is the 79th birthday
of Donald Trump and he is goingto have a parade to celebrate
this wonderful trifecta and thatparade is a military pass and
review a la Kim Jong-un right.
He went there and saw that andhe was like why can't we do this
?
And he tried to do it in hisfirst term.
(02:43):
And I mean I don't know why itjust f was like why can't we do
this?
And he tried to do it in hisfirst term, yes, and I mean I
don't know why it just fizzledright.
Everybody just said this is aterrible idea.
Yeah, because he sang aboutPutin's praises.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Yeah, I think it was Putin's that he saw and he
started singing his praises.
Surprise, yeah, yeah, and it'sall to stroke his.
And I've seen the trains of thetanks.
Yeah, so many tanks, like thetrains, are hundreds of cars
long, with a couple of tanks ineach one.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
One is going to destroy the streets.
So there's $15 million, $16million set aside to repair road
damage in Washington DC.
And the Army said, oh, weshouldn't damage too much stuff,
Right?
Like they literally said thatthis week Right.
We've heard the army say thatyeah.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Right, I've said that yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Have you ever seen a city in another country after
the army rolled through?
Right, it's not there anymore.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
And then just to go to if you are putting 15
millions into your roads, youare shutting down traffic, you
are making everybody's livesmiserable.
For the next six months to fixthose roads.
Oh yeah, in DC, in DC, yeah.
So you're not just screwing upthe roads and cost us money to
fix it, but everybody there isgoing to feel the effects of it.
Yeah, it's just going to.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
The budget right now for the parade is I believe it
was $45 million, jesus, andthat's to get all the soldiers
there, get all the equipmentthere.
Like you said, that costs a lotof money to move a brigade of
people.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
That's a couple million dollars a day, and then
they all have to start stayingin Trump hotels.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah, that's true?
Yeah, yep, so you're not wrong.
The parade is expensive andsome people I guess there's a
(04:37):
small group of what you wouldcall patriotic people, maybe I
don't know what they woulddescribe doing something as
complicated and expensive asthis is.
So just doing something becauseit looks cool, is that worth
$45 million?
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Right.
One thing I really hate aboutAmerican culture is the hero
worship that we have of soldiers, veterans, everything Just kind
of blanket.
I appreciate when people saythank you to me, but I know that
they say that to everybody.
I know that not every veteranis a good veteran.
Oh sure, sure, you know what Imean.
I think we have too much heroworship here, sure.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
So haven't you seen my cards covered in stickers,
man?
I want everybody to know, youknow.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
You know, and I'm comfortable with people doing
that, but it's when people don'tstop and think about it's not
the equipment that we should becelebrating, it's the people
that are operating the equipment.
Okay Right.
So even just taking all thisequipment to show you it's not I
don't know, it just doesn'thold, it shouldn't have any
(05:40):
intrinsic value to us.
The people behind it shouldhave that value, not the stuff
that's killing people.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
It's made straight up to kill people, tanks and
rocket launchers rolling throughthe streets.
Again, it just looks cool.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
That's it, that is 100%, but we should not glorify
that stuff.
People now think that it's easyto pull a trigger and kill
people, and now we have 7,000Marines supporting in LA that
are trained Well, it's 700Marines, but it's 2,000, almost
4,000 National Guard at thispoint.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
So we're getting close to 5,000 total troops.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yeah, you know and these are folks that you know,
we talked a little bit aboutthis where, when you go into
these situations, you're trainedto shut off your humanity.
You know you, you're trained toshut off your humanity.
You're going to do bad things.
That's why so many soldierscome back with PTSD and other
traumatic experiences.
They're trained to do badthings.
And now they're looking atAmerican people.
(06:37):
They're stopping and they'vebeen given the authority to take
people Detain, to detain, andif there's any interactions or
destruction of governmentproperty or personnel, they have
authorization to detain, and sothat means if any ICE member
gets a brick thrown at them or awater bottle squirted at them,
or anything minor even they areallowed to engage, yeah, and
(07:00):
that should scare people Because, again, they are well-trained,
yeah, and they're trained tofollow orders.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
And the whole posse comitatus situation of not
deploying military on US soilwhere basically the targets of
engagement would be US people.
Right that there's precedentand law both that says this is
not how we do business, right?
(07:27):
Donald Trump mentioned that inhis first term he had too many
political hurdles to be able todeploy troops in the way that he
wanted to, and we all have readthe different quotes where he
said well, can't you just shootthe protesters in the legs or
just shoot at them, but you knowlike, don't kill them?
Right, and so his, his, um, wewouldn't expect him, having not
(07:51):
been a politician or agovernment official ever before,
to have much awareness aroundrules of engagement or law
enforcement activity.
Um, so I don't.
I don't want to say that heshould have known better, but at
the same time, just the basicmentality of a citizen to say,
shoot other citizens like that.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
That's a part where you should know better, right,
like without knowing the lawsand precedent you know, yeah,
yeah, a little shorter humanityshould be there.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah, that's not right Right.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
And so you know the idea that the cops are just
going to go out andindiscriminately shoot at a
crowd to disperse the crowd.
That's what he wanted to do inthe first round.
And so now he just recentlysaid, as the situation in LA has
been boiling over in the lastweek, he said that I don't have
those hurdles anymore and Ithink we've basically found our
(08:37):
roadmap to be able to do thisand do it legally, and we've
found the golden ticket to dothe thing that I wanted to do in
my first term.
And we're only a few monthsinto this.
You know, like he didn't waitany amount of time really to
crack this can open, yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
And you know, because we talked about it way back
when they started talking aboutthese authorization zones you
know they're going to start atthe border and they're going to
move to wherever you want.
That's true, and they're goingto move to wherever you want.
That's true, and they're goingto move this one into LA.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I wonder how much similarity there is between the
deployment orders that sentpeople down to the southern
border and the deployment ordersthat sent people to LA.
They look almost exactly alike.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Funny story the folks that deployed down to the
border left without orders.
Okay, and they just got someform of TDY orders recently, but
for a long time like theyweren't even they were just
there, it was all vocalvocational orders, or vocational
vocal orders.
Yeah, um, yeah, yeah, so likeit's happening so fast that, but
yeah, they probably have someblanket statements in the travel
(09:39):
system, yeah, so that would bea an interesting clue.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
I mean, they've already mentioned um and so I
guess I'll.
I'll take this opportunity totalk about Pete Hexeth, one of
the congressmen from California.
Pete Hexeth was in a hearingthis week in Congress and the
congressman from California waspushing back against the idea
that federal troops are deployedthere now.
And he said there's threedifferent factors within the
(10:06):
insurrection act that say that,you know, the government or the
federal government can deploytroops over the top of the
governor or local authorities.
And he said he listed off thethree different ones which one
was like an invasion by aforeign nation.
The local authorities have lostthe ability to maintain law and
order like full on, you know,just the cities like like broke
(10:29):
down, like gone.
You know what I'm saying.
And then the last one was thatthe federal government was not
able to do some something toexecute their duties and laws.
And so he said which one ofthose three things is the
condition for deploying thesetroops?
And Pete Hicks said well, youjust read all those off, sounds
(10:49):
like all three to me.
And he was just very brash.
He was like we don't need rulesis basically what he was saying
.
Like thanks for reading thoserules out loud.
The troops are there andthey're not leaving, so read
them again if you want, but Idon't care.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah.
So if we run through those thefirst one I could see them
saying, well, yeah, mexico'sletting all these citizens come
in, and that's what Fox Newsthat's the headline on every top
of the hour is that.
You don't say that aboutanother nation as us, as a world
leader in air quotes.
(11:22):
You don't say that anothernation has.
That's a war.
Correct If you say that you'restarting a war, correct.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
With Mexico.
That did not happen.
No, mexico has a uniformedmilitary that has not deployed
Exactly, but they have deployedto defend our border Right, but
they have not deployed to crossour border Right yeah.
And then what was the secondone?
That the local authorities hadlost the ability to execute the
(11:51):
law.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
So I have some people that know, folks that are in
those protests right now, andthe chaos and the stage scene
that you see is a small, smallportion of what's going on there
.
It's like a of a block.
Yeah, they were talking aboutone square mile you know,
between two different capital Imean federal buildings there
(12:13):
Right when you got thousands andthousands of people out there
protesting.
Yeah, so you know, it'sridiculous to think that the
city has broken down to thepoint where you need martial law
when it's one corner out of acity that size, right, you know?
Um, yeah, yeah, that that's uh,but that's just another scare
tactic that you always see themuse, and it's so blanket and
vague and nobody ever goes back.
(12:35):
They just see that one pictureof the guy standing on a burning
car with a mexican flag andthey're like well, americans are
done with this.
This has got to stop.
What are?
Are you talking about, man?
Like it's just ridiculous.
The reactions and the fearsells so easily to folks.
Now, they just love it.
Well, and you?
Speaker 2 (12:51):
know, I think I've pointed out that recently I'm
Trying to balance my news intake, kind of like my, you know,
benafiber or something.
I've been trying to balance mynews intake and man, when I was
checked out on Sunday and Mondayfrom the news that was going on
, and so Monday afternoon when Ikind of checked back into the
(13:14):
real world, I saw that what wasgoing off in LA, and so I said,
man, this is my chance, Like Iget, to see what's the
difference between CNN and Foxnews over the same topic,
because I guarantee the top ofthe like six o'clock hour,
they're both going to leave withthis story.
And what story am I going tohear?
Well, cnn was being overlydramatic.
They were standing rightoutside the federal building and
(13:36):
they were.
They were just using all kindsof you know rhetoric of like, oh
, it's a tinderbox, oh, tensionsare high, oh, peaceful
protesters, but there'sagitators, oh, and they just had
the same little script and theyhad like five different people
in different parts of the youknow what's one square mile and
they just all walked aroundacting like they.
(13:56):
You know they were going to getblown up or something, and, and
so they were overly dramaticabout it.
And then, of course, they justbeat again.
They beat down the narrative ofit's the federal government's
fault, people are mad that theNational Guard is here, people
are mad because of ICE, and itwas all very pro-argument of the
(14:17):
protesters and very one-sided.
Okay, so that was that version.
Then I flipped over to fox news.
Man, total is so far oppositewhich you would expect it to be
opposite, but it was a differentnews story that had the same
pictures in it.
That's how far away.
It was right, and it was the.
There's a foreign invasion.
(14:37):
Here's the proof.
And they showed four or fiveclips of both pictures and
videos of people driving aroundwith Mexican flags.
And they said those people areall illegal citizens from
another country.
They're not American citizens.
They're waving the flag oftheir home country.
They're attacking governmentpersonnel and government
buildings.
What would you call that?
Right?
And they read out all that as adefinition Right?
(14:57):
And they said there you go.
That's proof that we are beinginvaded, right?
And then Circumstantial proof.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Obviously Sure right, but I mean it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
It does not matter at all.
This is the court of publicopinion right.
The Democratic-run state andlocal governments are feeble and
inept and they are trying toresist law and order in the
federal government.
And hold on, I haven't told youabout this yet.
(15:28):
He said I'm ready to talk.
He said this is Jesse Waters.
You're welcome, jesse.
I'll give you the plug everynow and then.
Jesse said that the idea that astate government is resisting
the authority of the federalgovernment, that sounds like
secession to me, he said.
And the last time the Democratsled a secession it didn't turn
(15:51):
out so well.
So think twice before you goout to these protests, because
that could basically put you onthe wrong side of the Civil War.
That's what.
Jesse Waters said that's theroad.
He went on.
He went and he said GavinNewsom wants a Civil War and
California wants to leave theUnion because they'd rather have
Mexican immigrants thanAmerican citizens in the streets
.
That was their top of the hournews story.
(16:11):
So you had Aaron Burnett sayingthis water bottle is going to
kill somebody and then you hadJesse Watters saying California
is starting a Civil War.
Yeah, Wow.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
So I think it's pretty interesting that Fox News
took that judge's or thelawmaker's question there and
used it for their talking points.
Yeah, you could see themstarting to spread that
propaganda and seed it to say,like it does meet these
justifications, because I saidit yesterday, remember, it does
meet that.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah, they like oh yeah, it does meet these
justifications because I said it, yes, yeah, remember it does
meet that, yeah, and they'vebeen trying to spoon feed that
into the narrative since thebeginning of the unrest, really,
and just kind of get it drip itin there, and that I am a
little bit annoyed becausethere's a truth and somebody
(16:59):
knows the truth Arguments overGavin Newsom and Donald Trump
speaking on Friday night, slashSaturday morning and then again
on Monday, and whether or not umTrump ever made it explicitly
clear that he was going to sendin the troops during any of
those conversations, or GavinNewsom made it explicitly clear
that, like everything was undercontrol and there was no need
for troops, they disputingwhether, what times they even
(17:21):
spoke with each other, and thenthey're disputing what they
talked about when they did talkto each other, so that that
part's murky and I'm not justgoing to automatically trust
Gavin Newsom on this one, likeyou know there's a website that
parents use when they're, youknow, like trying to co-parent
and they can't talk nice to eachother and like, so that we know
what they say and what they say.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Do we need the president to set this up with
the governor so that we can?
Speaker 2 (17:49):
co-parent everybody Signal.
They just need to use signalright Back on signal.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
But the fact that we have so many adults trying to
just act like childrenconstantly and just have these
pissing contests of I said this.
No, I didn't say that.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Just like we are in a position where you should be
clear, like do not send thetroops.
Yeah, we got this.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Well, and that's the public statements.
But the problem is, is that onthe phone what happened?
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Exactly, you know Exactly.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Did you say it on the phone?
Yeah, like, every communicationneeds to be, like, recorded
with these phones.
Yeah, well, um, you know, andagain, that may be what the
archivists that are studying oursecond civil war, you know,
they may get to the bottom ofthat, you know.
Yeah, I don't think we're onthe cusp of that right now.
Um, I'm going to bring up atotally related topic, but it's
just a different event thathappened this week.
Donald Trump went to Fort Bragg,north Carolina, and he set up a
(18:47):
situation where he had a bunchof troops behind him and you
know, presidents do that.
They go and visit people, govisit units, deployed units,
whatever you know.
Like good, that's good actually.
But of course, donald Trump ummade this the most perverted
version of that that you could.
And so he got out there, he gotthe wall of soldiers set up
(19:08):
behind him, he got the camerashot set up and then he did a
political rally with on amilitary base, with nothing but
military members and theirfamily members in uh, in
attendance, right, and he got upthere and said look at this
great crowd.
Do you think President Bidencould have attracted a crowd
like this?
No way.
And then people started booingPresident Biden and then he said
(19:31):
you know, you're, all yourbrothers and sisters in arms are
out in California and they're.
They're top level professionalsand they're doing a great thing
.
They're deployed and they'reprotecting our streets right now
because the mayor of LA and thegovernor of California won't do
it.
Boo, all these people arebooing.
Right, there's soldiers inthose units from California,
guaranteed right, there arecitizens of California in that
(19:55):
formation, promise you, it'simpossible not to be.
You know what I'm saying.
And so they had them booingelected officials that were
political opponents.
They had them booing just theideas of you know the woke
culture and different thingslike that.
He was just trotting outcampaign rhetoric, yeah, like it
was the day before the electioncampaign, and but he was doing
(20:18):
it with the audience of soldiers, right, man?
I mean, I'm when I'm upset withhim, I'm fully disgusted.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Yeah, that is such a, it was the worst thing I've
ever seen a president do in thatsetting Right as far as got the
troops on hand.
What am I going to do to shinehere?
He just the worst thing hecould possibly do.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Yeah, that's grotesque, because a lot of you
know I don't want to say a lot,but they're in an environment
that, like you have to go there,you have to be there, and then,
when you keep hearing thisinformation and then the
president says these things,like that means something to
these folks.
Like, when the president talks,like they listen, yeah, and for
(20:58):
him to sit there and rally andto not only, you know, just to
celebrate the attacking of theprevious administration.
The folks that are going outthere, you know, trying to talk
about them as being like theheroes that you know when we
went to Iraq and Afghanistan,like well, they're fighting in a
war for you right now.
(21:20):
Man that's scary, I mean thatalone crossed the line.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Like you know, biden's just a senile old
bastard right Boo Like that nono, that's not what the
military's for Ever.
There's never a situation wherethat makes sense.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
You said that you don't think we're there at the
Civil War point yet.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
What do you think would be the red red line like
when does that, when does thatbecome a reality?
You know so.
I mean the stepping on, youknow, federal versus state stuff
is the.
Is this the thing, right?
Speaker 1 (21:52):
you know I mean the south has argued states rights
for a long time now.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
I know that's the thing that drives me crazy is
that I'm a states rights kind ofguy, right, right I am.
I like the idea, right, right,but this is so opposite of that,
right, but it's Donald Trump'sparty that it is all about
states rights, because theybelieve that that gives them the
opportunities for religiousfreedoms and sexual reproductive
stuff and all you know all thedifferent things that they want
to make their little havens ofcultural pockets.
(22:17):
And I'm like all right, finethat, I'm kind of fine with that
, right, but the, the, thefracturing, and and what could
get there is when martial lawtype deployments only happen in
blue states, when, if, let's say, atlanta gets hot, I don't know
, atlanta's kind of blue,georgia's a red state, but uh,
(22:38):
let's pick somewhere.
I don't know, atlanta is kindof blue, georgia is a red state,
but let's pick somewhere else.
I don't know, virginia Beach,maybe, just someplace that's
like you wouldn't think of it.
Let's say there's a city whereit's more of a red place and it
goes off and the National Guarddon't show up.
Right, dallas is going down inDallas and Austin, right now
(23:00):
there's been the threat ofdeployment of troops there.
The problem there in Texas is,you know, if for our listeners
I'm a Texan they would go for it, no matter what we like the
idea of guns and troops and blah, blah blah.
So that's almost a.
The governor would do itwithout the, without the
(23:21):
president needed to be involved.
But there's other places thatwould not.
I don't know Arkansas, you know.
Just think the South right.
Will the national guard rollout through the South, or are
they only going to show up inblue States Right Like Michigan?
Speaker 1 (23:32):
you know, they got, you know a blue states, right
like michigan.
You know they got, you know, ablue governor right now.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
But there's, you know , chicago is obviously the other
target, right, like how manynational guard troops are going
to show up in chicago, right,right, but then when it goes off
in oklahoma city, nobody showsup, right like that.
That would be probably a verybig step if federal policy
starts to start picking sides onhow this, this type of behavior
happens, which, you know, babysteps, right, they got four
(24:00):
years to do this, three and ahalf left.
Step one establish the modusoperandi for having troops
protecting ICE enforcement,right, that's what we see
happening right now and thatcreaks that door open for the
presence of troops in all sortsof other federal activities.
And then, you know, look atthat posture six months down the
(24:22):
road, and if you have troops insome places and troops not in
other places that are having thesame problems, that's when my
like alarm bells would start togo off, like, oh, they're
pre-positioned, yeah, you knowwhat I'm saying.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah, that's interesting because you know you
have the intelligencebackground, so it's interesting
to hear you talk about that.
One other thing I wanted totalk about on the big national
stage here, or, you know,international stage, is the Iran
and Israel conflict.
That's kind of really sternright now.
You talked about movements,troop movements, things like
(25:00):
that.
What we're seeing right now isour embassies in Iraq getting
emptied out, folks moving,Bombers from Diego Garcia are
taking off and getting closer tothe action and getting closer
to the action.
We're seeing a lot of movementsthat indicate that not only if
Israel strikes Iran because wethink that's going to happen
(25:22):
pretty soon A preemptive yeah,they're going to attack
somewhere in the nuclearindustry in Iran.
And Iran has said when thathappens, they're going to attack
US and Israel locations, yeahentities, everywhere, yeah,
assets.
And they have the capability,they have a lot of.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Oh, they've done it even in Syria, where they've
Iran has attacked US interestsin Syria.
So yeah, there's not a borderthat prevents them from
executing attacks over there.
Right, they have proxieseverywhere.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Yeah, um, with, you know, the bombers taken off from
Diego Garcia, uh, nuclearcapable.
This could be one of thesituations where, you know,
Trump feels it's his time to gonuclear.
Um, because Iran's responseslast time landed really close to
Israel's nuclear weapons thatare out in the desert, like they
(26:13):
landed really close to some ofthem, and so they could take
that as an existential threat,and if Israel faces an
existential threat, they launchtheirs and the whole place turns
to glass.
They're cool with that.
We don't hear anything aboutthis on the big news though,
like CNN, like you said, they'refocusing on those dangerous
water bottles floating around,and there's nothing on this,
(26:36):
when I think this is like itcould be come really hot last
night was the first time that Iheard anything about it, and it
was triggered by the us embassyevacuating people out of the
baghdad location.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
But they said there's no specific threat, right,
right, there's no danger to themin that like it's not unrest in
Baghdad or some planned attackwhere they're like, uh-oh, you
know, these people are going toget smoked, right?
They just said we're just notgoing to be there for a while.
Yeah, yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
You know.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
If there's an indicator, that's it.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
You know we don't want to be in the middle.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
The middle, uh.
We have nothing we can dobeneficial from here if rockets
start flying up in bothdirections over our head, so
we'd be much better off back ina safer place, right?
So don't know where thosepeople are going to, but you
know they're.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
They're moving as many of the folks out of that
embassy location as they canlike right now so when we
assassinated uh salamani oniraqi soil and iran responded to
that, they like gave us theheads up where it was going.
So we were able to move somethings and there were still like
14 head injuries, like TBIsfrom that attack.
Yeah, but, but for the mostpart, we were.
(27:44):
We were, we got the notice, wewere able to evacuate, we were
able to protect people andassets.
When they say, when there'snothing, and they're moving
people, yeah, you know, like,yeah, it's unpredictable.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Yeah, people that are not us have a vote right, and
between Israel and Iran, wedon't have enough control in
either direction to know what'sgoing to happen, so we're just
going to get out of the middle.
You know, I agree that anotherstory I heard this morning that
(28:20):
again it's related to this, butthe more detail, excuse me,
another detail I heard.
So this morning.
It seems that the rhetoric orthe reporting is picking up some
um, the, and I had heard aboutthis, uh, maybe a month ago,
that the Iran nuclear deal, ifyou will, with the international
nuclear agency that's on thetable right now.
You know, everybody knew Iranwas not going to follow it or
play nice, and I thought it wasone of the worst things that
ever happened in the obamapresidency was the very sheepish
(28:45):
position towards basicallysaying, well, don't make nukes,
but if you do, we basicallywon't do anything.
And that's where we've been forthe last, I think, eight or
nine years with them and that'sabout to expire, and so a lot of
the I think there's 12 or 13signatories on this treaty with
them and any of them can invokethis like drawback clause.
(29:06):
Anybody can unilaterally say wedon't believe they're following
the agreement, iran is notfollowing the agreement and that
they're moving towardsweaponization, and we basically
nullify the clause.
That window, at the 10-yearmark, I think, expires in
October of this year, and so theclock is ticking for any one of
the member countries to pullthis clause and say that there's
(29:29):
no protections for Iran, andall these sanctions just
automatically go back into place.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Now we're already out of that.
We pulled ourselves out of thatentire agreement.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Trump did yes, right, and so the UK and France are
still signatories, and both ofthem are basically the ones that
are kind of watching the clocksaying do we want to execute
this instead of either itexpires and there's nothing that
replaces it.
If we execute this now, thenthere's not a timeline on when
the repeal of this stops, so weget to basically get a bridge by
(30:00):
executing it Now.
Iran has gotten to 60%enrichment on uranium and so
that is beyond commercial grade,beyond nuclear power
manufacturing.
That is only you're movingtowards weapons grade there.
So there's no reason to havethat except to produce a weapon.
They have some number ofhundreds of pounds of that
(30:22):
material and it has been, youknow, verified that they have
built or you know finished someunderground facility and all
that stuff's going there.
So Iran is got theircentrifuges, they've got their
weapon, they got their weaponfactory built and they know,
they know the timeline the sameas everybody else.
So they're trying to get alltheir weapon fissile level
(30:43):
material into this undergroundbunker before somebody pulls the
rope or before Israel shoots atthem.
So that's Israel's math.
And the whole thing too is likeif nobody does this by October,
we will, you know, becausewe're not going to move into a
future where there's norestrictions on Iran.
We're just not going to do that.
We're going to blow somethingup before that day comes
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
So I know a lot of because Iran's been close to a
nuclear weapon for you know 20years where people just say, oh,
they're weeks away, yeah,months away Breakout capacity
yeah, and you know it's one ofthose things where you have a
problem that you know you solvethe first half of it in 10 years
, so you think the second halfis going to take you 10 years.
(31:23):
Every step of that problem getsharder and harder and harder.
So it takes longer and longer,and one of the big things that
but they only ever inch forward.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
They never inch backwards, right, like the
people you're trying to control.
Don't get further away from aweapon throughout this process,
right?
They just get to take littletiny baby steps that basically
get codified along the way Likeoh well, it's okay that you did
that, but don't do any moreright and like every two years
they kind of finger wag at themoh, don't keep doing that.
And they just do it anyway.
(31:52):
Which is why I thought it was aterrible legacy for obama,
because I knew that iran wasjust like.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Ha ha ha they're just laughing about it.
But when you pull us out, likethey're gonna do it one way or
the other, when you pull us out,then we don't have well I eyes
on, I mean, but we we had anopportunity to be more
aggressive in the situation andnot you know, say no, no nuclear
power either, like no, none ofthat stuff.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
If you got uranium or plutonium in the borders of
Iran, wrong, you're wrong.
Yeah, right yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
To take a real hard ass stance like that.
Yeah, yeah, I guess that wouldbe kind of a.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
It's possible.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
And with nuclear energy.
It just bugs me how it couldabsolutely have saved humanity
but we chose it to destroy.
Yeah, it just frustrates me.
But one of the big things thatkeeps iran from, you know,
making an effective, uh,long-range missile is just the
miniaturization of it all.
But you know, through ai andall these other things, like all
this technology is going totransfer a lot easier.
(32:47):
It's going to be a lot easierto make plans and try little
things and like it's going toget that.
You know it's only going totake more, another 10 years,
like all that stuff's going toget that.
You know it's only going totake another 10 years, like all
that stuff is going to getexponentially.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's accelerated.
Yeah For sure.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Yeah, they're going to.
The timeline of them getting itis probably a lot shorter than
what some of the experts areseeing, I agree, and they're not
thinking it's going to be donetomorrow or anything.
But I think with the advent ofour technology, technological
advances, it's just comingfaster and faster I I guess I'll
look at it this way.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
I believe strongly in the resolve of israel that they
would rather go down fightingand get into just the you know
ugliest war possible with iran,versus wait and get into a
position where iran definitelyhas a nuclear weapon right like
I don't think they're gone, Ithink they would fight
(33:38):
themselves to death before thathappens you know, I went to
israel and I get a masada agent.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
He told us a story.
I pretty much said that exactsame thing right there.
Um, because they, uh, masada,if anybody's heard the story,
masada, look it up, it's a crazystory.
Um, but they, when you're 18,you join the military in
military in Israel and you walkup the back path of Masada, the
snake path, and you swear thatyou will never let Masada fall
(34:05):
again.
And he looked us in the eyesand he said and if we have to
turn this entire place tofucking glass, we will.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Yes, sir, okay.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Yeah, yeah, it was intense.
Yeah Well, sir, okay, yeah,yeah, it was intense, intense.
Yeah Well, what do they gothrough?
Speaker 2 (34:19):
And yeah, yeah, you're absolutely right, so I
think the resolve is there.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Right.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
So the you know timelines just dictate when that
resolve gets activated, yeah,so yeah, and there's, you know,
as we talk about like our owngovernment does this in certain
situations.
It's totally possible that Iranbasically allowed Hamas to do
what they've done over the lastcouple of years to get the
attention off of their nuclearprogram.
(34:43):
If everybody's got their troopsand ambassadors and inspectors
going through Gaza, they're notcoming to Tehran.
Yeah, that's fair too, and youknow it's really cheap for us.
To shake this faint right Likethis costs us just pennies
compared to what we're reallytrying to achieve, so this
distraction makes perfect sensefor them.
Yeah, you know that's thepurpose of all those proxy wars
(35:05):
that they have you know peckingat us and taking our eyes off
other things.
So that's, you know, movetowards a breakout capacity.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Yeah, so crazy, all right, well, we're going to wrap
this one up.
We got our best lunch thatwe're going to go to here in a
bit and hope to see y'all outthere on Saturday.
We'll get this one posted herepretty quick, but, yeah, hope to
see you out there and, like Isaid, this is going to be an
incredible demonstration of theAmerican will and you know, an
incredible demonstration of theAmerican will.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
And you know, I think my parting words to everybody
this week is hopefully, if youhear this episode before
Saturday, or you know what maygo into Sunday, be safe out
there.
Right, keep your wits about you.
Pay attention to yoursurroundings, pay attention to
where the law enforcement are,pay attention to where people
that are cheering and yellingagainst you know what you're
cheering and yelling about,where they're at, because we
(35:56):
don't want to see anybody gethurt.
Um, but with what's going on inLA recently, I think it's it's
just impossible to get to thisweekend without some kind of
disruption somewhere.
So watch out for that and, uh,you know, just get away from it
when that starts to happen.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Yeah, when people say disperse, disperse, you know,
uh, there's a lot more fightleft to be had here.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
You know.
So yeah, yeah, yeah, you can'tfight from jail.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Yes, yes, all right.
Well, thanks for joining usagain.
This is Left Face.
I'm Adam Gillard, with DickWilkinson Tune in next week.
Thanks,
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