March 17, 2025 • 45 mins
Veterans in Colorado Springs are taking matters into their own hands as federal budget cuts threaten their community. With approximately 15% of the local population being veterans and 30% of the federal workforce comprised of former military personnel, proposed government cuts could devastate the region on multiple fronts – affecting both vital support services and livelihoods.
Progressive veterans groups have organized an "Empty Seat Town Hall" event that quickly reached capacity, demonstrating the community's urgent need to be heard even when their elected representatives won't face them directly. The format allows citizens to speak to an empty chair representing their absent congressman, sharing personal stories about how policy decisions are impacting their lives. As one host pointedly asks throughout the episode: "What's the plan?" when a substantial portion of the local workforce faces elimination with no clear path forward.
The conversation expands to examine troubling patterns of ethical boundary-pushing from the current administration. Appointed officials now appear in partisan political advertisements while holding government positions, creating dangerous confusion between official government messaging and political propaganda. This blurring erodes public confidence that government institutions will serve all citizens equally, regardless of political alignment.
Perhaps most concerning is the escalating trade tension with Canada, with potential electricity disruptions threatening five American states. Drawing parallels to pandemic supply chain issues, the hosts warn how relatively minor disruptions can cascade into years-long economic problems. When combined with aggressive tariff policies and confrontational diplomatic approaches, these actions create a perfect storm of economic uncertainty at a time when stability is desperately needed.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of
Left Face.
This is the Pike Peak Regionspodcast, where we cover veterans
issues and political topics.
I am your co-host, dickWilkinson, and I'm joined this
morning with Adam Gillard.
Good morning, adam.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Morning Dick, how are you doing?
That's quite the alliterationwe have at the beginning there.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
We do.
Yeah, we have some, you know,not on purpose, but I like it.
So Adam's going to lead us offwith a little bit of a heads up
on an event that's coming upsoon that I'm sure that our
listeners are interested in, andit sounds like it's a really
unique um format of an offeringthat I haven't attended or been
to something like this before,so tell us more about it, Adam.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yeah, so, uh, the progressive vets um indivisible
and the Epco Dems, with the helpof some labor area council
folks, we're putting on an emptyseat town hall on Monday, the
17th, on St Patrick's Day, at 6.
It's over at the IBEW Hall.
There's a reservation linkthrough Mobilize and stuff like
(01:01):
that.
I say that only to taunt youbecause we're at capacity
already.
Uh, we started off, you know,at 200, uh, we bumped that up to
250 and there's a lot ofinterest in the community for
this.
Um, so we'll actually be livestreaming it also.
Uh, going over YouTube andFacebook and like trying to get
you to like the stuff set up.
(01:21):
Like, I'm not great at settingstuff up.
There's so many like loopholesthat you have to jump through to
verify who you are.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I've done that on YouTube a few times.
It takes 24 hours before youcan go live or post anything
after you do your initialregistration.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yeah, and if you want to do it on a mobile, you have
to have like two months offollowings and things like that.
Oh yeah, right, and like shortson your thing.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah, don't do that, just do it on your desktop
interface.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yeah, and then you can just use your webcam.
So that's what we got set up.
One of the guys down at thehall is going to help us set up
the live stream, the cameras andthings like that, and this
empty seat format.
It's really powerful becausewe'll have a couple of speakers
in the front.
Joe Reagan and Steph Vigil aregoing to be speaking with us,
(02:04):
some local community leaders,and then we're going to listen
to the community.
They're going to come up andthey're going to say how this
administration is impacting them.
You know how, having ourrepresentative roll over when
the president is actively takingthe power of the purse from him
and just being okay with that,they're going to talk about how
(02:27):
it's impacting their lives,because these are huge impacts
to our lives.
Right now, going on, ourColorado Springs community in El
Paso County is 15% veterans.
So when you talk about cuttinga quarter of our workforce, a
lot of those vets are working inour workforce.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Well, yeah, I mean and it hits us on both angles of
the VA and you know supportservices, not just medical but
all kinds of life supportservices for veterans, and then
you know the ultimate lifesupport, their paycheck right,
and so so many federal you knowemployees here in our county are
veterans right.
So as a community we're gettinghit just from every angle right
(03:06):
now.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Yeah, it's like a boxing match and we're just
right now we're getting pummeledand it's going to be a powerful
night to listen to thecommunity and have them try to
address their, because it willbe recorded.
We did invite him, so there'sstill a chance he could show up.
He has the option full seattown hall yeah.
(03:27):
But it's come down from theTrump administration that no
more in-persons because peopleare mean.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yeah, it turns into a lot of opportunities for stunts
right, I say stunts.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
The complaints are generally valid right, yeah, I
say stunts, the complaints aregenerally valid, right, yeah,
yeah, and that's kind of yourrole is to be there to be that
liaison up to the government,not standoffish.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
You are the representative to the government
.
For those people, even the onesthat don't like the position
you have or the job that you'redoing, they're still your
constituents, yeah, so he'sdoing another, I think telephone
town hall tonight, and the lastone was kind of a joke.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
He says very scripted , very scripted and very
selective on who got to askquestions and things like that,
cherry picked Very much so.
And you get to listen to hisgrandstanding about how
disrespectful the Democrats areand things like that, but like
in the same breath, he'll sayyou know how evil we are?
(04:27):
Or that we're stupid forbelieving something.
So he'll sit there and namecall and try to use all those
bully tactics and then whensomebody stands up and says, hey
, that's bullshit, yeah, he'slike oh, you guys are being mean
, you hurt my feelings, youdisrespected.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Where's the discourse you disrespected?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Messiah Trump.
Oh, my feelings youdisrespected.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Where's the discourse ?
You disrespected Messiah?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Trump.
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Where's the discourse ?
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
When we have representatives.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Why can't we be professional In?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
past State of the Union, screaming at the
president all the way back toyelling liar at Obama like
incredibly disrespectful, fromthe other side, constantly and
as soon as people come back.
And then she uh, bobert, overthere next door to us.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Yeah, she called it a pimp, cane oh yeah, it's like
what the fuck man like?
He's a 75 year old man.
It's a real cane.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, I did have to look it up.
He's not the singer, thesinger's still alive.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Yeah, yeah, but.
But but yeah, al green, twodifferent people.
But yeah, but yeah, the uhbrother from another mother and
father, not the singer.
The singer's still alive, yeah,but yeah, al Green, two
different people.
But yeah, his brother fromanother mother and father.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah right, Just the audacity to say things like that
now and just get away with it.
I mean, it's coming fromsomebody who jacked somebody off
.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yeah, yeah, moral, yeah, I don't look to her as my
shining compass.
Yeah, my North Star for moralneeds.
No, no one should.
We can go ahead and, I think,comfortably say that.
Well, I think my take on it isyou know, I want to remind
people one when Adam's sayingempty seat, town hall, what
(05:58):
flashes in my mind, and if thisflashes in yours, I think we're
talking about the same thing.
If this flashes in yours, Ithink we're talking about the
same thing.
It was Clint Eastwood talkingto the empty chair at like an
NRA or the Republican NationalConvention one year.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Are those?
Speaker 1 (06:12):
different.
Well, they tend to overlap theattendees are the same.
They have them one week apart,they have to go back to check
out their plants.
But yeah, that reminds me.
I mean, that's what I don't, Icouldn't tell you one word about
what he said, I just rememberthe stage and the setup and
(06:32):
everything.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
So not so much having somebody next to addressing it,
but like the crowd with amicrophone stand addressing it,
they're talking to that andthey're just telling their story
.
It happens to be.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
You know, I, I, I, I put my own like politician hat
on, and could I?
This is I guess.
This is how I would want to doit.
I would like to in a perfectworld.
What's my fantasy of how Iwould do this If I was crank,
where I knew that I was going togo to the place where everybody
hates me?
Speaker 2 (07:05):
And.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
I was talking to my buddy and I said one of the
other senators, I think he wasin Oklahoma, he was going to a
meeting way out in the sticksabout two weeks ago and all a
bunch of Democrats figured outwhere he was going.
So they ambushed his meetingRight and he thought he was
going to go see a bunch ofbasically extremely elderly
people like 20 elderly peoplethat were all just going to clap
for him Right, that's what hethought he was going to spend
(07:27):
his afternoon doing.
Right, it was getting clappedat and he did not get clapped at
, he got yelled at and so heleft Right and you know I'm sure
he yelled at his staff.
I was like this is supposed tobe the clapping spot right, like
this is supposed to bebreakfast down at Bobby's diner
and they're all supposed to loveme down there.
What happened, right?
And so he just got up and left.
Terrible, right.
I mean, that's one of thethings that led to the like
(07:49):
don't go on camera anymore,order, right, because we can't.
This is a Senator, right, likethere's nowhere else.
You can't pass the buck up pasta Senator, really, you know.
And so if he had to leave theroom, all of you people are in
trouble is basically what Trumpwas saying.
How I would like to do it is tohave the fortitude to go in
there and say I'm going to sitin this chair for the next 90
(08:11):
minutes.
I'm not going to reply, like,if you guys really want to, just
come and tell me and I don't,you know, we don't have to argue
, we don't have to fight.
You just need to pour yourheart out.
Come on up and let's do it.
I'm not going to reply.
I will have all you know.
My, my staff will take notes.
Would you be able to do that?
That's what I'm saying In theperfect fantasy world.
(08:31):
Could I sit there and just takea beating, hide your face.
Yeah, it's like getting roasted, basically.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Right.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Can you get?
Can you get roasted by yourcommunity once every four months
or so, you know, I don't know,but like could I sit there?
I think once you survived itonce, maybe you could do it and
just be like hey, once a quarterI'm going to go to the place
where everybody hates me.
You guys can line up around theblock and tell me how much you
don't like what I'm doing.
I'm not saying I'm going to doanything different, but I'll
give you the chance to tell me.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
I saw some videos of AOC doing a town hall where she
was getting heckled and she wasgetting drummed out and stuff
like that and she just kind oflike danced with the beat, kind
of like heckled some folks backand just like went with it.
Yeah and like.
But like showed that she was areal person and not afraid of it
.
But you can do that when you'remaking ethical decisions that,
like, you're not afraid to tellpeople yeah, you know what I
(09:20):
mean.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
You're standing on your own morals, right, right?
Speaker 2 (09:22):
yeah, the way I try to make decisions is like can I
have this conversation with mykid?
Yes, you know what I mean.
Would I be ashamed to tell mykid this?
What?
Speaker 1 (09:31):
I'm doing.
This is the choice I made,right.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Even when it comes to the cannabis stuff and things
like that.
I've had conversations withthem like that this is what I'm
doing, this is what I'm fightingfor, and at their level they're
not experts by any means.
Sure, sure, but having thoseconversations is kind of what
you're getting paid for, and tohave those tough conversations
(09:54):
is really what you're there for.
So, backing out and not beingable to stand there like why did
you do this?
Well, I didn't do this.
Well, no, you voted for this.
Why?
Because he talked about, youknow, medicare not getting or
not getting cuts because.
Or Medicaid, because it wasn'tmentioned in the bill at all,
yeah, and you just kind of kickthe can under the appropriations
committees.
It's like, well, you're goingto be on those two.
(10:15):
Like why can we not?
Speaker 1 (10:21):
just say true, well, and uh, he, as we've mentioned
on the show before, I'm surehe's quickly learning how a
freshman congressman has no swayor political weight at all,
other than the one vote theycast on each thing.
Right, that's as much influenceas they have is just that, that
each individual vote, or eachindividual topic.
There's some othercongressperson or senator that's
(10:43):
that it's their pet topic andthis person is either going to
sign on and be on that boat orkind of be left out, right,
especially as a junior, you know, first term congressperson.
So that that brings us toanother statement that that
Congressman Crank has made,which is that the local economy
you're saying wouldn't beimpacted by some of these cuts,
(11:04):
wouldn't be impacted by changesin Medicare or Social Security.
But he also makes statementsaround how the military you know
, defense industrial base inColorado Springs is growing, and
he's referring to input fromsome other people as proof that,
even all this other churnthat's going on, there's still
money flowing in, right, there'sstill opportunity flowing in,
(11:25):
yeah, but what's your take onthat?
How realistic is that?
Speaker 2 (11:28):
So it cracks me up that when you're talking to
anybody in the military, likeespecially four stars, things
like that, like these are justbusinessmen, CEOs that are
selling a product.
Sure.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
They are.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Like we're recruiters At all levels, we're recruiters
.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Sure, they are Like we're recruiters, at all levels,
we're recruiters, and generalofficers are also trained in
political tactics, right, yeah,yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
So just to hear somebody you know just Say you
know, I talked to the four starand he said this what's the plan
actually?
Because when we look at, like,the reality of what's going on
here is that, you know, we havea community again 15 percent
veterans, 30 percent of thegovernment workforce is veterans
.
So that means a huge amount ofour workforce here and they're
(12:14):
going to cut a quarter of that.
So we're going to losethousands and thousands of jobs
here on the government side.
Well, private industry willpick them up.
Well, we just canceled theCHIPS Act, so microchip here is
going to lose jobs.
Nobody's going to be cominghere because we don't have
adequate power or infrastructure.
What's the plan?
Don't just tell me that, hey,we're growing, we're doing good.
(12:36):
What's the plan here?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
And even not just computer chips, but other
manufacturing, is becoming soexpensive that the manufacturers
, the factories, they don't havethe cash available to hire
workforce, even if they saw morecustomers coming.
Their raw goods have just goneup 20% to 50% on their input
side of those manufacturingstreams right.
So they're trying to figure outhow they're going to survive
(13:04):
just at where they.
If they locked everything downright now, how are they going to
get through it?
They don't have the flexibilityto hire these people.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
No, not at all, because I mean into the, you
know, the trade wars that we'restarting with everybody right
now.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
you know tariffs and those have long-term
ramifications right.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Yeah, it's not like you can turn a tariff on and off
and next month everything goesback to normal.
Well, normal countries don'tturn them off and Trump's trying
to.
Canada's like no, we're doingthis Like they're done playing
these childish games.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Yeah, think about back during the pandemic
Everybody can remember that farback I know it feels like it was
a long time ago, but alsoyesterday and the supply chain
snaggles that happened over justshipping, just getting it to us
, not making it, not deliveringit once it got here, but just
getting it across the water.
How long did that take tobecome a real problem?
(13:50):
And then, how long did it taketo recede as a problem?
Right, it took about two monthsfor it all to come crashing
down and people started torealize, wait, there's no such
thing as two days on Amazonanymore, because it's not in
America right now.
Right.
And then you know that took amonth or two to get there.
And then, once all the differentcompanies started to say, hey,
we really don't know when thisstuff's going to show up.
(14:11):
You can place an order, butthere's no guarantees that.
That lasted for a good year,right.
And then it took almost anotheryear for everything to get back
to what we expected as theconsumer, of goods being
available on the shelf on timewhen we think they would be.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
You go to a car lot and like I want to buy this type
of car.
Yeah, you didn't have to wait.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Or if you went to Home Depot, there weren't empty
spots on the shelves where youknow a certain product just
wasn't available.
You know like, oh hey, these,this whole type of screws, just
doesn't exist anymore.
Right, I mean, that was a thing, right, you'd go in there and
just a whole half of an aislewould just be empty.
Why, well, it's made out of acertain type of PVC that isn't
produced in America.
How's that Like?
Speaker 2 (14:53):
how would you even know that Right All of a sudden?
Speaker 1 (14:55):
you're using, we were adapting and overcoming for a
couple of years.
Once we had a, you know, a twoor three month kind of impact,
then it took years for thatimpact to resolve.
So we're we're doing thatartificially right now.
Right, the trade wars createthat same type of impact on the
delivery of goods and on theeconomy.
So if we're talking about youknow we will wrap up this first
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part of space is growing here,or that the economy in Colorado
Springs is growing here, thatseems just really, really hard
to believe.
No matter if it's yourcongressman or a general officer
that has confidence in what'sabout what they think they're
about to do, I can't.
The base where they take theirconfidence from is now in
unstable.
(15:38):
Right and so it's hard tobelieve them.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah, and again, these are people that won't
stand up and say that into yourface either.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
No, right, I mean they can't admit that, right?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
So like there's something else here.
If you can't like stand by yourdecisions, then you need to
represent somebody else, becauseyou oh, I guess you can tell us
who you are.
Well, that's it, yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
I represent some of the people, not all of the
people, yeah.
And you know we look at thistoo.
As we mentioned a minute ago,If you're a junior freshman
congressman and your archnemesis in where's the Space
Command going to live is a verypopular senator, you lose that
argument most of the time, everytime.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Right, so yeah, yeah, you lose that argument most of
the time, right?
Speaker 1 (16:21):
so yeah, yeah, um, and you know, does president
trump know our congressman byname?
No, but does he know tommytuberville for sure?
Yeah, right, and so, and iftommy tuberville calls and says,
I really want some trophies, hetrump's gonna hand him some
trophies, and it wouldn't matterwhat's going on here in
colorado politically, there's nobridges burnt on trump's side
of it yeah, you know, as youtalk about the, how people get
(16:45):
racked and stacked you know,being a freshman in there like
their main goal is still raisingmoney and raising capital for
the election process.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Like the whole citizens united thing just needs
to get like we need to get ridof that.
I don't know how you get rid ofthat, because so many of them
rely on it now.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Well, yeah, I mean once they get their power.
Yeah, they hold on to it.
You're not going to findanother.
There's only so many elon musksout there to court and turn
into your super sugar daddy, youknow?
And that if we got rid ofcitizens united, you'd need a
elon.
Every, every, you know,republican would need their own
personal Elon to bankroll themright, yeah, Well, I mean we're
(17:22):
allowing Russian oligarchs tobuy citizenship now.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Yeah, so I mean it could be happening.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Yeah, their path to citizenship is bankrolling a
senator.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Yeah, and Elon's path to the window is opening up.
They're letting in someprobably pretty nasty people
here.
Yeah, that's true, we havepretty nasty people here.
Yeah, that's true.
But yeah, Citizens United justin general, is just such a
horrific thing for our countryjust to allow corporations to
dump money in in these PACs, todump money in Collective
(18:01):
spending versus individualspending.
Attendants, local city councilelections, where people are
getting hundreds of thousands ofdollars for these local
campaign elections that is justcoming from nowhere and the
people that are getting put intothese billets are far right.
But all of their mediapropaganda stuff says things
like oh, the four-star saysthat's great, you know nothing
like of substance and people arelike, oh, he's a Republican, so
we're going to go with that.
(18:21):
Yeah, that's true.
So we've just seen it so muchlately.
We need to get that rid of that.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Well, and that we'll probably wrap up on this note.
But last week I noticedsomething and I was talking to
my friend that visited, and thenI saw it again on the TV
yesterday.
So usually when a politicianokay, uh, just a little bit of
inside baseball for everybody Ifyou ever run a campaign, you're
running for office, um, youspend money on your own
(18:48):
advertising, your own media, butthen a PAC, a political action
committee, can come in andinfluence your race, but they
cannot interact with yourcampaign, right?
So that way you don't havecontrol over that money.
If a PAC wants let's say youraise a million dollars and
you're going to spend it all onadvertising a PAC could come in
and spend $5 million in yourrace and you have no control
(19:09):
over that, right?
Those are the TV commercialsthat you generally see, where
it'll show an image of thepolitician that they either like
or don't like, but they'll betalking about them usually in
the third person and then at theend it will say this
advertisement was paid for byconcerned citizens of America,
or, you know, super Trumpfanscom.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Right, and it'll say that down at the bottom.
That's only fans.
Yeah Well, it's his new one,right?
It's true.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
He's going to have a truth and a everything you know,
so he'll have one, Don't worry.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yeah, yeah, that's it .
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Um, uh, but the the takeaway there is that that
little disclaimer at the endmeans this is not done by the
politician.
This is done by someone whowants the politician to succeed
or fail, and so set all that up.
Here's my concern.
Back during the campaign, I sawKristi Noem, who was at one
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point running, for she didn'trun for president, did she, or
was she?
Speaker 2 (20:07):
I think she was in the primary.
She was in the primary, yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Well, anyways, she's now the secretary of the
Department of Homeland Security.
Yeah, I guess she was in therace because her dog book story
of shooting people and stuffthat was out there, right.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Yeah, I guess she was in the race because her dog
book story of shooting peopleand stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
That was out there, right?
So the TV commercials that I'veseen?
This is now.
Trump is in office, theRepublican administration is in
full effect and Kristi Noem isan appointed official, so she is
an official inside thisgovernment.
What do I see on TV?
I see her front and center onpack commercials while she's in
(20:42):
a seat.
I feel like that should beillegal, right.
And I see it on TV almost everyday in my gym.
It's up on the TV and it's justChristy Nome, christy Nome,
christy Nome, talking to thecamera, all these different
shots of how cool she is andshe's got her flak jacket on and
she's bad Bang, bang pew.
(21:03):
It says this is a political adcampaign and I'm like just can't
.
You can't be the secretary ofsomething and be in a partisan
paid commercial.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Right, because even if you're not even if you're not
paid for that, your imageitself is like pretty powerful.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
So you're not supposed to pick a partisan
thing.
That has got that you know.
And again, once you do getelected, you then have two
offices.
You have your official officeof government policy and then
you have your election office,right, your administrative
election office.
Two totally separate groups ofpeople.
The staff cannot migrate andlike just go back and forth
across the street.
They have to be two differentstaff, right?
You?
Just any elected person hasthat.
They have their election staffand they have their actual staff
(21:48):
you know, this is just flyingin the face of that, and I've
never seen that before.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
There's been so many ethics violations up and down
the Republican party that, yeah,I didn't even notice that we
were able to place it.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Well, exactly, I think that's part of it is that
the muddying of those propagandaversus the official messaging
is.
That's really the concern here,and if anybody else is hearing
this going, why does this matter?
The problem is that thosepolitically paid-for commercials
are propaganda, by design, Imean, and that's fine.
That's what all politicalmessaging is, is it's some sort
of indoctrination, right?
But if you're an official,appointed position, you now are
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responsible for people thatdon't agree with whatever that
messaging is, and it's yourofficial duty to carry out that
role for everybody, not forpeople who agree and disagree
with you or you know one way orthe other, and so that's.
The problem is that if you getan official person wrapped up in
this ultra-partisan speech, youno longer have confidence that
that Department of HomelandSecurity is going to secure
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liberal populations, right, andthat they may leave you to fend
for yourself because you don'tlike Kristi Noem and she's going
to pick the winners and thelosers.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Right, and I mean, the big thing that I've read
about her recently is that shegot rid of the unions.
She just dissolved the unionsfor TSA and things like that.
Yeah, that seems like it's agross overreach of that's what
this whole administration is allabout.
Right, I know, and like that'swhat I'm saying, like I didn't
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even recognize the, the otherethical violations.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
You know cause they have Part of what I see
happening too for this specificthing is this this type of
ethical violation is that Trumpknows he has a golden ticket.
Right, he has to get out ofjail.
Free card he can do anything hewants in.
The Supreme court already saidhe can do anything he wants.
He thanks them for it.
So, um, so he is extending that.
You know, just like we weretalking about our nuclear
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umbrella, he's extending thatumbrella to his, his secretaries
and he's saying if I tell youto do it, guess what?
You cannot get in trouble,because I gave the order and I
am Teflon Don, I can't go tojail, it's not possible.
So if I tell you to do it,you're just carrying out orders,
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roll them all, you just invadeNorth Africa and don't ask
questions.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
I'm still waiting for that.
What's going to be the linewhere people from the right, the
middle, just people who arejust standing by just watching
this happen?
Do we have to make some reallybad choices here?
Well it's already happening,right Whoa whoa whoa, Because if
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Canada cuts that off, I don'tknow if they've actually cut
electricity Not yet.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
So that's our second topic is trade wars.
So let's just jump into thatCanada's electricity, let's do
it, yeah so he's already saidthat that would create a
national emergency Electricity.
Let's do it, yeah, so he'salready said that that would
create a national emergency yeah.
Five states get, you know,enough power from Canada that
they might not be able toreplace it.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Right, yeah, yeah.
But once you make that nationalemergency declaration, then you
can start rolling in militarythings like that Sure and you
start like militarizing ourborder with Canada.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Yeah.
Seize the way that theelectricity comes in and stuff
yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
So, like these, these plans, like they're getting
rolled out right in front of us,when are people that voted for
him going to say, like you knowwhat we need to change this and
like start reaching out to thecause.
Like I can sit there and screamat my representative all day,
doesn't matter.
Like I'm just a lunatic on theleft, yeah, doesn't matter.
Like I'm just a lunatic on theleft, yeah, yeah, you know.
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Like change needs to happen onthe right right now.
And like it's just everybody isso happy to be delusional.
You know, I had a friend tellme a story about, uh, he was
talking with some guys thatvoted for you know, maga,
because you know ourgovernment's just so corrupt and
messed up and you know, for thelast 40 years they voted
republican, but this time theyvoted Republican, just because
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we deserve to be torn down.
Like what, get off your horseman.
Your righteousness tells usthat America deserves to fall
while you're driving around inan $80,000 Tesla.
What the hell man.
So people have this mindsetthat they can't be wrong.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
That's what I was going to say.
Is, dude, you're waiting on thewhole totally wrong group of
people to stand up and tell itnot to do something.
Because most of them are pretty.
They're like I like the idea ofCanada being the 51st state,
like, look at all that stuff,all those natural resources all
the way up to the North Pole.
We'll just steal it all Likethose folks don't.
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I don't think they would careIf we militarily invaded Canada,
they wouldn't blink.
And yes we are talking aboutinvading Canada.
I just want to put a timemarker in here.
It's March 14th or whatever2025.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Yeah, it could be an Eastern invasion.
You know, whatever we do, youknow, and Canada does that, if
we like, if we do that, likewe've just gone to a
dictatorship monarchy, whatever.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Like there's no way we can, there's no way we can
expand as a country and say thatwe're free if we do it with
force?
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Yeah, exactly.
So if we do this, can't changeborders with might, right?
I mean, we have already agreedto that.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Right, so that's going to happen.
So we'll be a monarchy.
Canada's right-wing party isstill pretty left for us.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Oh yes, you know what I mean.
Yeah, they're so.
They still want socializedmedicine, right Right.
Even the most diehard red dudein Canada still wants everybody
to have free healthcare.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Yeah, yeah, he's probably going to get oral
cancer.
They dip a lot, yeah, you knowso, yeah, but you know they,
they don't look at the long.
They just want to have a mightat all times and just beat the
shit out of people.
They do submission all the timeand those folks up there
they're not going to.
There's still more left thanwhat you think.
Sure, yeah, they're not goingto put up with this and so
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you're going to try and activelysubvert an entire nation like
this.
It's not going to work, man,this is going to end so poorly
for everybody, like it's notgoing to work man Like this is
going to end so poorly foreverybody.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Yeah, I guess the how far down this rabbit hole can
we go Would the social will endas soon as there's actual
bloodshed over capturing Canada.
Would that be enough?
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Well, Americans will die.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Somebody's going to die, right,and so would that bloodshed be
enough that you know, like me, Idon't know how old, I can't
remember how old your kids are,but my son's 15, and he's
thinking about joining themilitary, you know, just as any
teenage kid might do, and so youknow I told him well, you know,
there's no war going on rightnow, but that's how I joined and
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then ended up being in 17 yearsof conflict.
So, don't take that bet.
But would I want my son to puthis life on the line to invade
Canada?
Absolutely not.
It's not worth life and blood,it's just not right.
So but again, we're talkingabout a group of people that are
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going to blindly follow overthe cliff and into the pit of
lava.
Right, there is no edge of thecliff, for space.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Have you seen the photographic evidence of Canada
seizing fentanyl from the UnitedStates Piles?
Speaker 1 (29:15):
of it.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
They've seen so much stuff coming from us into.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Canada and we don't have any evidence of it.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Oh yeah, They've seen so much stuff coming from the U
, coming from us into Canada,right yeah, and we don't have
any evidence of it coming downto us, oh sure.
Sure Right.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
And that makes sense because the southern border is
our poorest border, where, ifyou're from a cost and risk
perspective, if you want to movetons of drugs, you're not going
to go to the harder, moredifficult, further away border
yeah, it's a thousand miles away.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Yeah, yeah, if you're trucking through the wilderness
to get stuff across the border,like the warm border is better
than the cold.
Yeah, exactly yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
There are, there's mountain lines, I guess, down
the Mexican border, but notbears, right, you know.
And if you get lost down there,you can find your way out,
right?
It's not like the Canadianforest, where you just go back.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
But you know, find your way out right.
It's not like the Canadianforest where you just go back.
But that's the whole premise ofwhat they want people to be
afraid of is that there'sfentanyl just pouring over the
border.
It's not coming this way, man.
It's not coming from Canada.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Yeah, and I was surprised.
This happened quite a few yearsago, I guess, during the
original immigration kind of bigkerfuffle back in 2017, 18
timeframe, when Trump was tryingto turn it into a story that
was more than what people caredabout.
That was one of the first timesthat I ever heard about.
Well, what about Canadian?
You know illegal immigration.
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What about people come from theNorthern border and you know
quickly, you could easily findmedia numbers.
That was like okay, like 6% ofall us illegal border crossings
happen from a border other thanthe Mexico border and that means
any point of entry other thanthe Mexican, even like the
shipping it doesn't matter.
Yeah, it was only yeah, you know, it was like 95, 94,.
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95% of all illegal borderactivity happens on the land
border of the United States andMexico.
Right, it was just such a smallnumber.
For the rest, and then you know, you couple that with, well,
the real, the racial tone was,of course, and at that time
almost everybody coming throughthe southern border was of
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Latino origin and there weren'tas many international kind of
migrants or asylum seekers.
Those other international folksthat were not Latino were
tending to come through Canadaand through regular asylum
procedures more.
Well, then the story becamethat oh, actually plenty of
people are actually sneakingacross the border from Canada
South, but they generally tendto be white Europeans, and so
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when they show up in the UnitedStates and end up in a community
somewhere and even if there's awhole population of them yeah,
you know, oh, oh yeah, ok, cool,you're from Poland, you're from
Lithuania, you're from wherever.
You know Denmark and it's likehow do you?
They just use it automatically,assume they're here on a visa
and that they're allowed to havea work visa.
No, they just sneak over andbecause they're white and spoke
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enough English, nobody wouldever ask them, you know.
But the opposite is the truth,for you know the truth for
somebody that's from you know aHispanic family that may have
been born in America, right, andgo back and forth across the
border.
They're always going to betreated as though they're a
suspicious right, that they'relegally there or that they're
doing something wrong.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
I mean, even just speaking on the phone in the
store is dangerous for folks ifyou're speaking.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Spanish.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
People have been accosted for not speaking.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Go back home.
Yeah, that's ridiculous man.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
When did we become ashamed to welcome other people
and to try to even learn anotherlanguage?
If I spoke, I speak onelanguage and it's embarrassing.
I've been to 17 countries, yeah, and, like I know, a bunch of
curse words.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
How to buy beer and how to cuss people out Exactly
After you get drunk.
You need to know how to yellcuss words at people.
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
So yeah, trying to talk down on people that are
bilingual, multilingual, is justridiculous to begin with, and
then to try to say that Sprinklein some racism on that.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
You know, hey, your skin is different color than
mine, right, you know.
But the the the bottom line isthat the story was the truth is,
yeah, still there's a lot of, Iguess, more undocumented
happenings.
The people just aren't trackingit right, like there's not
really good visibility onmigration across the northern
border because it just doesn'tshow up, it doesn't manifest
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into the same type of criminalbehavior or government
administrative encroachment,right, it just doesn't get
played out the same way.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Well, it's one of those things where, like, what
gets the money is going to getmanaged.
That's how you makemeasurements is with the money
there, so yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
But this is tied into the bigger trade war argument
you mentioned earlier that youknow they're talking about
cutting off electricity and thiswas the premier of Ontario,
which is their governor.
Right, he's the governor of theprovince.
It's funny because as soon as Iremember that guy showing up on
TV way back in the footballseason I was watching NFL Trump
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had been elected.
And as soon as Trump gotelected, that guy started making
TV commercials and Ontariostarted running these tourism
commercials.
But it wasn't your classictourist commercial like come to
Florida, we have beaches.
They didn't care if you came toOntario, they just care if you
bought stuff from Ontario.
They didn't want you to visit.
Right, they're like, hey, youcan stay on your couch, but
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please buy some wood and maybeturn on some more lights.
You know, like that was thecommercial hey American, how
many TVs are you watching thison?
Please turn more TVs on, rightyou know, that's funny.
And from November to Decemberto January, ontario was running
all these TV ads like we're yourbest partner, we're your
neighbor to the north, we have75% of all of our trade in both
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directions goes X, y, z andnever get mad at Ontario.
And it was also this weirdthing of like, hey, maybe knock
out everybody else, but letOntario keep being Canada.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Let us be in charge and you can storm.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Quebec and turn them into the 51st state but we want
to be where we're at, you know,and like it was just a really
weird, like he was raising hishand saying if you're mad at
Canada, don't be mad at us,right, and it was the most
bizarre thing because it wasn'tan encouraging you to be there
thing, right, that's interesting.
And now here we are.
That same dude is now in a fullon on TV battle with Trump
(35:19):
saying hey, all of my, I likeyou.
Trump TV commercials didn't dome any good, so I have to put my
boxing gloves on and like gotoe to toe with America.
I spent the last four monthstelling you how great I thought
you were, but I'm still inCanada and I guess that's enough
, Right?
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Well, because I mean, people don't understand that
when you give somebody power,they don't stop asking for more
Right?
You know, and he's done it withthe Supreme Court already.
You know they gave him thatonly he can interpret the law.
And now he's trying to take itfrom the House with the power of
the purse.
He's pushing on everything.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
There was just a judge yesterday that said he was
overstepping executiveauthority.
I can't even I mean gosh, itwas an executive order trying to
shut down a specific law firm,why you would write an executive
order for that.
But I mean he did.
He issued an order, a numberedexecutive order, that said the
federal government will not dobusiness with this Peterson and
Coy or something like that lawfirm because they had supported
democratic.
They had supported democratic,yeah, they had defended, you
(36:19):
know, democratic politicalissues in the past.
And so the fact that they haddefended Hillary Clinton in some
court case, he was like that'sit.
They are the, they're the deepstate, they're the ones, they're
the cabal.
This lawyer group is where allthe you know lizard people and
baby blood drinkers are at.
You know they can't do businesswith the federal government.
And so the point of the storyis, the federal judge said this
(36:41):
is absurd.
Like why would any presidentever name a company by name and
do this Right?
Like there's.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
He's named reporters by name and said these people
need to be fired.
And so then?
Speaker 1 (36:51):
his lawyers who was it's the deputy attorney general
that works for Pam Bondi showedup and said the judge said
basically, are you serious, likeyou really believe the
president has the power toblacklist a company like this?
And they said not only does hehave the power, he should
exercise the power Like it ishis right to do it and I can't
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believe you have a problem withthis.
Right, that was their response.
And so it was again thisblatant encroachment of like hey
, you already got rid of thisone barrier, so we're going to
establish new precedent and anew barrier.
Right, we got to push as faracross this field as we can go.
Yeah, and it's going to take awhole bunch of judges to tell us
where this line is at.
Not one judge is not going todo it.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Yeah, this whole time frame.
Right now we're just seeinglike a systematic dismantling of
our systems.
We are, and like when we seehow blatantly he's selling us
out to other countries, to ElonMusk, the White House photo op
with the Tesla in front of itAbsolutely disgusting, yeah, to
(37:53):
see that.
And the president probablyhasn't sat in the front seat of
a car in decades.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Decades.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
He had no idea how like a push button start, like
he had no idea there was pushbuttons.
But, like I guarantee you, hewas confused.
Yes, yeah, because a Tesla issomething different.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
It is.
It's just a screen, really.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
But yeah, to sit there on the White House lawn
and make a commercial forsomebody who gets a ton of
government welfare to begin withand we're just going to keep
supplementing them.
And for Trump to say that hisstock shouldn't be taking these
hits, and things like that.
For him to name companies byname, like that to bump stocks
yeah, it's just so gross for oursystem.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
That is a double whammy where he would sign an
executive order saying this onecompany shouldn't exist and then
he'll go on TV on governmentproperty, using his time, his
government taxpayer time, andsay this one dude and his
company, we need to help themout.
And we're looking, we'restaring down a recession, we're
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creating a recession byincreasing the trade wars, all
these tariffs, all the deficitof what's going to happen to our
supply chains is all going tohappen again.
And he's standing there sayingI know that everybody who's
watching this has got anunstable financial future.
A lot of you have lost yourjobs.
The government itself isunstable.
As far as what programs may beavailable to support you after
(39:22):
you lose your job, who knows.
But let's spend the next couplehours talking about Elon's cars
.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Right yeah, this $100,000 car that you can't
afford.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Yes, I want you to go get some credit and buy this
and he said he mentioned andthat was the weird thing is that
somebody got a picture of thelittle script he was reading off
of out there and it was clearto say here's the lowest price
point that you can get a Teslaat $35,000.
And so he was like 35,000,that's really affordable.
And I understand that the priceof all cars has gone up and
(39:51):
that 35 is actually a prettymuch a median range right now.
It actually actually a prettymuch a median range right now.
It actually is, which is kindof scary, right.
But, um, now, thirty fivethousand dollars is still not
affordable to most people, right?
Speaker 2 (40:03):
you know, and just such a disconnect.
Um, I hope people startlistening.
Man, yeah, like I said, like Iwe can scream against the wind
all day.
Like the right needs to wake up, like people need to wake up
and realize that either.
Like don't even admit thatyou're wrong, just that you've
been lied to.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Well, and here's the thing is that it takes some
cognitive dissidence forsomebody on the right because
they hate electric cars.
Yeah, Every old redneck dudehates them, hates them they love
.
On Facebook in the winter timeit's nothing but showing broken
down Teslas and showing like ifit was freezing on the road and
your car died.
Blah, blah, blah.
You know you can't put gas inyour car.
(40:42):
Showing some truck pulling upwith a generator on it and
saying the Tesla recoveryservice right, they love it.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
They love it.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
But but uh-oh, the wires have crossed and now
there's a short in the fuse,because the electric car dude is
the deputy of America now right, and we just defunded the
government's program to installcharging stations.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Yes, brilliant.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
So the company itself is going to have to fork out
more cash.
The people who hate electriccars love Elon Musk.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
How's that what?
Speaker 1 (41:12):
kind of upside-down world are we living in?
They hate Teslas, but theythink that he's the smartest guy
in the world, he's going tosave America, solve all our
problems.
But if he came out and said youknow how we're going to solve
our problems?
Every vehicle the governmentowns, from the military to the
Department of Transportation, toeverything, all electric in
five years Tesla top to bottomall those people would lose
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their minds.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
I can see them making that push because then you can
put automated drivers and stuffin that you cut your personnel
down.
Like they could make theargument for that so easy on the
numbers, money side of it.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
That like, yeah, I could see them pushing for that
and and yet the same the the youknow how does?
Where does the cookie finallycrumble for these folks when
they can no longer buy theirinternal combustion engine
because Elon Musk convincedtheir king and their hero that
electric is the way to go?
How does that work?
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And then what if Elon toldDonald Trump we need more
windmills to charge these cars,because Donald Trump hates
windmills.
He thinks they're ugly, hethinks they kill birds, which he
doesn't care about, other thaneating them.
He doesn't see the windmillsever because, like you said,
he's not in a place wherewindmills are Right.
But when he has seen one, hethought it was really ugly,
(42:29):
right.
But I guarantee you, if Elonwas like Tesla's going to start
making windmills and we're goingto put them everywhere, to
start making windmills and we'regoing to put them everywhere,
next week, trump would be likewindmill capital of the world.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
America's gonna make all the windmills and we're
gonna sell them to everybodyelse and it's gonna get us out
of debt he'll start a war withholland and try to take this he
would.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
He would if elon said we need to start making
windmills and they need to haveamerican flags on all the tips,
yeah, we'd be cranking them outin alabama by this time next
week.
There'd be a factory turned onjust cranking out windmill parts
, right, so?
But these dudes, the bros thatall love Trump, couldn't wrap
their heads around that, right,if, if, like I'm sure they're
(43:07):
like I can't believe.
My hero just told me to buy anelectric car, like that just
happened yesterday.
Trump pissed all over theirboots.
Right, he did.
He was like I know you reallylove diesel engines and I know
you love that, but that stuff'sno more.
Right, you got to come get thiscool electric computer car.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Well, same thing with some of the red flag laws that
he's passing for guns he'stotally against what his base
wants.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Right, yeah, that's not Second Amendment.
There's no red flag in theSecond Amendment, you know, as
far as those guys are concerned,right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
Crazy, crazy times.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Well, let's see what will he sell next week, I guess
right.
Yeah, that'll be the let's takebets we need to have.
Our viewers need to tell us youknow what product, what's the
craziest product we think Trumpis going to back in the next few
months.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
Well, I think he's going to have like an X flag or
a truth social flag, like flyingfrom the White House, maybe
Like just start puttingadvertisements on the White
House.
That's my.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
Elon starts he's wearing the black MAGA hat.
Maybe Trump starts wearing an Xhat or a Tesla hat right, he
just starts branding his head,his forehead is for sale now.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Yeah, when they get out of bed in the morning they
don't wear each other's hatsometimes.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
Yeah, it's cute, yeah , it's cute.
Oh, you have my hat on Allright?
Speaker 2 (44:22):
Well, we'll end it on that beautiful picture.
Yeah, remember Town Hall, mpcTown Hall.
This Monday, st Patrick's Day,it'll be streaming on Facebook
and YouTube.
You'll be able to find the linkon our Blue Sky profile, so
hope you join us there.
Till then, we'll be around andhope you all take care.
Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of
Left Face.
This is the Pike Peak Regionspodcast, where we cover veterans
issues and political topics.
I am your co-host, dickWilkinson, and I'm joined this
morning with Adam Gillard.
Good morning, adam.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Morning Dick, how are you doing?
That's quite the alliterationwe have at the beginning there.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
We do.
Yeah, we have some, you know,not on purpose, but I like it.
So Adam's going to lead us offwith a little bit of a heads up
on an event that's coming upsoon that I'm sure that our
listeners are interested in, andit sounds like it's a really
unique um format of an offeringthat I haven't attended or been
to something like this before,so tell us more about it, Adam.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yeah, so, uh, the progressive vets um indivisible
and the Epco Dems, with the helpof some labor area council
folks, we're putting on an emptyseat town hall on Monday, the
17th, on St Patrick's Day, at 6.
It's over at the IBEW Hall.
There's a reservation linkthrough Mobilize and stuff like
(01:01):
that.
I say that only to taunt youbecause we're at capacity
already.
Uh, we started off, you know,at 200, uh, we bumped that up to
250 and there's a lot ofinterest in the community for
this.
Um, so we'll actually be livestreaming it also.
Uh, going over YouTube andFacebook and like trying to get
you to like the stuff set up.
(01:21):
Like, I'm not great at settingstuff up.
There's so many like loopholesthat you have to jump through to
verify who you are.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I've done that on YouTube a few times.
It takes 24 hours before youcan go live or post anything
after you do your initialregistration.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yeah, and if you want to do it on a mobile, you have
to have like two months offollowings and things like that.
Oh yeah, right, and like shortson your thing.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah, don't do that, just do it on your desktop
interface.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yeah, and then you can just use your webcam.
So that's what we got set up.
One of the guys down at thehall is going to help us set up
the live stream, the cameras andthings like that, and this
empty seat format.
It's really powerful becausewe'll have a couple of speakers
in the front.
Joe Reagan and Steph Vigil aregoing to be speaking with us,
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some local community leaders,and then we're going to listen
to the community.
They're going to come up andthey're going to say how this
administration is impacting them.
You know how, having ourrepresentative roll over when
the president is actively takingthe power of the purse from him
and just being okay with that,they're going to talk about how
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it's impacting their lives,because these are huge impacts
to our lives.
Right now, going on, ourColorado Springs community in El
Paso County is 15% veterans.
So when you talk about cuttinga quarter of our workforce, a
lot of those vets are working inour workforce.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Well, yeah, I mean and it hits us on both angles of
the VA and you know supportservices, not just medical but
all kinds of life supportservices for veterans, and then
you know the ultimate lifesupport, their paycheck right,
and so so many federal you knowemployees here in our county are
veterans right.
So as a community we're gettinghit just from every angle right
(03:06):
now.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Yeah, it's like a boxing match and we're just
right now we're getting pummeledand it's going to be a powerful
night to listen to thecommunity and have them try to
address their, because it willbe recorded.
We did invite him, so there'sstill a chance he could show up.
He has the option full seattown hall yeah.
(03:27):
But it's come down from theTrump administration that no
more in-persons because peopleare mean.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yeah, it turns into a lot of opportunities for stunts
right, I say stunts.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
The complaints are generally valid right, yeah, I
say stunts, the complaints aregenerally valid, right, yeah,
yeah, and that's kind of yourrole is to be there to be that
liaison up to the government,not standoffish.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
You are the representative to the government
.
For those people, even the onesthat don't like the position
you have or the job that you'redoing, they're still your
constituents, yeah, so he'sdoing another, I think telephone
town hall tonight, and the lastone was kind of a joke.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
He says very scripted , very scripted and very
selective on who got to askquestions and things like that,
cherry picked Very much so.
And you get to listen to hisgrandstanding about how
disrespectful the Democrats areand things like that, but like
in the same breath, he'll sayyou know how evil we are?
(04:27):
Or that we're stupid forbelieving something.
So he'll sit there and namecall and try to use all those
bully tactics and then whensomebody stands up and says, hey
, that's bullshit, yeah, he'slike oh, you guys are being mean
, you hurt my feelings, youdisrespected.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Where's the discourse you disrespected?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Messiah Trump.
Oh, my feelings youdisrespected.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Where's the discourse ?
You disrespected Messiah?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Trump.
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Where's the discourse ?
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
When we have representatives.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Why can't we be professional In?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
past State of the Union, screaming at the
president all the way back toyelling liar at Obama like
incredibly disrespectful, fromthe other side, constantly and
as soon as people come back.
And then she uh, bobert, overthere next door to us.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Yeah, she called it a pimp, cane oh yeah, it's like
what the fuck man like?
He's a 75 year old man.
It's a real cane.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, I did have to look it up.
He's not the singer, thesinger's still alive.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Yeah, yeah, but.
But but yeah, al green, twodifferent people.
But yeah, but yeah, the uhbrother from another mother and
father, not the singer.
The singer's still alive, yeah,but yeah, al Green, two
different people.
But yeah, his brother fromanother mother and father.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah right, Just the audacity to say things like that
now and just get away with it.
I mean, it's coming fromsomebody who jacked somebody off
.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yeah, yeah, moral, yeah, I don't look to her as my
shining compass.
Yeah, my North Star for moralneeds.
No, no one should.
We can go ahead and, I think,comfortably say that.
Well, I think my take on it isyou know, I want to remind
people one when Adam's sayingempty seat, town hall, what
(05:58):
flashes in my mind, and if thisflashes in yours, I think we're
talking about the same thing.
If this flashes in yours, Ithink we're talking about the
same thing.
It was Clint Eastwood talkingto the empty chair at like an
NRA or the Republican NationalConvention one year.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Are those?
Speaker 1 (06:12):
different.
Well, they tend to overlap theattendees are the same.
They have them one week apart,they have to go back to check
out their plants.
But yeah, that reminds me.
I mean, that's what I don't, Icouldn't tell you one word about
what he said, I just rememberthe stage and the setup and
(06:32):
everything.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
So not so much having somebody next to addressing it,
but like the crowd with amicrophone stand addressing it,
they're talking to that andthey're just telling their story
.
It happens to be.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
You know, I, I, I, I put my own like politician hat
on, and could I?
This is I guess.
This is how I would want to doit.
I would like to in a perfectworld.
What's my fantasy of how Iwould do this If I was crank,
where I knew that I was going togo to the place where everybody
hates me?
Speaker 2 (07:05):
And.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
I was talking to my buddy and I said one of the
other senators, I think he wasin Oklahoma, he was going to a
meeting way out in the sticksabout two weeks ago and all a
bunch of Democrats figured outwhere he was going.
So they ambushed his meetingRight and he thought he was
going to go see a bunch ofbasically extremely elderly
people like 20 elderly peoplethat were all just going to clap
for him Right, that's what hethought he was going to spend
(07:27):
his afternoon doing.
Right, it was getting clappedat and he did not get clapped at
, he got yelled at and so heleft Right and you know I'm sure
he yelled at his staff.
I was like this is supposed tobe the clapping spot right, like
this is supposed to bebreakfast down at Bobby's diner
and they're all supposed to loveme down there.
What happened, right?
And so he just got up and left.
Terrible, right.
I mean, that's one of thethings that led to the like
(07:49):
don't go on camera anymore,order, right, because we can't.
This is a Senator, right, likethere's nowhere else.
You can't pass the buck up pasta Senator, really, you know.
And so if he had to leave theroom, all of you people are in
trouble is basically what Trumpwas saying.
How I would like to do it is tohave the fortitude to go in
there and say I'm going to sitin this chair for the next 90
(08:11):
minutes.
I'm not going to reply, like,if you guys really want to, just
come and tell me and I don't,you know, we don't have to argue
, we don't have to fight.
You just need to pour yourheart out.
Come on up and let's do it.
I'm not going to reply.
I will have all you know.
My, my staff will take notes.
Would you be able to do that?
That's what I'm saying In theperfect fantasy world.
(08:31):
Could I sit there and just takea beating, hide your face.
Yeah, it's like getting roasted, basically.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Right.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Can you get?
Can you get roasted by yourcommunity once every four months
or so, you know, I don't know,but like could I sit there?
I think once you survived itonce, maybe you could do it and
just be like hey, once a quarterI'm going to go to the place
where everybody hates me.
You guys can line up around theblock and tell me how much you
don't like what I'm doing.
I'm not saying I'm going to doanything different, but I'll
give you the chance to tell me.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
I saw some videos of AOC doing a town hall where she
was getting heckled and she wasgetting drummed out and stuff
like that and she just kind oflike danced with the beat, kind
of like heckled some folks backand just like went with it.
Yeah and like.
But like showed that she was areal person and not afraid of it
.
But you can do that when you'remaking ethical decisions that,
like, you're not afraid to tellpeople yeah, you know what I
(09:20):
mean.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
You're standing on your own morals, right, right?
Speaker 2 (09:22):
yeah, the way I try to make decisions is like can I
have this conversation with mykid?
Yes, you know what I mean.
Would I be ashamed to tell mykid this?
What?
Speaker 1 (09:31):
I'm doing.
This is the choice I made,right.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Even when it comes to the cannabis stuff and things
like that.
I've had conversations withthem like that this is what I'm
doing, this is what I'm fightingfor, and at their level they're
not experts by any means.
Sure, sure, but having thoseconversations is kind of what
you're getting paid for, and tohave those tough conversations
(09:54):
is really what you're there for.
So, backing out and not beingable to stand there like why did
you do this?
Well, I didn't do this.
Well, no, you voted for this.
Why?
Because he talked about, youknow, medicare not getting or
not getting cuts because.
Or Medicaid, because it wasn'tmentioned in the bill at all,
yeah, and you just kind of kickthe can under the appropriations
committees.
It's like, well, you're goingto be on those two.
(10:15):
Like why can we not?
Speaker 1 (10:21):
just say true, well, and uh, he, as we've mentioned
on the show before, I'm surehe's quickly learning how a
freshman congressman has no swayor political weight at all,
other than the one vote theycast on each thing.
Right, that's as much influenceas they have is just that, that
each individual vote, or eachindividual topic.
There's some othercongressperson or senator that's
(10:43):
that it's their pet topic andthis person is either going to
sign on and be on that boat orkind of be left out, right,
especially as a junior, you know, first term congressperson.
So that that brings us toanother statement that that
Congressman Crank has made,which is that the local economy
you're saying wouldn't beimpacted by some of these cuts,
(11:04):
wouldn't be impacted by changesin Medicare or Social Security.
But he also makes statementsaround how the military you know
, defense industrial base inColorado Springs is growing, and
he's referring to input fromsome other people as proof that,
even all this other churnthat's going on, there's still
money flowing in, right, there'sstill opportunity flowing in,
(11:25):
yeah, but what's your take onthat?
How realistic is that?
Speaker 2 (11:28):
So it cracks me up that when you're talking to
anybody in the military, likeespecially four stars, things
like that, like these are justbusinessmen, CEOs that are
selling a product.
Sure.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
They are.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Like we're recruiters At all levels, we're recruiters
.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Sure, they are Like we're recruiters, at all levels,
we're recruiters, and generalofficers are also trained in
political tactics, right, yeah,yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
So just to hear somebody you know just Say you
know, I talked to the four starand he said this what's the plan
actually?
Because when we look at, like,the reality of what's going on
here is that, you know, we havea community again 15 percent
veterans, 30 percent of thegovernment workforce is veterans
.
So that means a huge amount ofour workforce here and they're
(12:14):
going to cut a quarter of that.
So we're going to losethousands and thousands of jobs
here on the government side.
Well, private industry willpick them up.
Well, we just canceled theCHIPS Act, so microchip here is
going to lose jobs.
Nobody's going to be cominghere because we don't have
adequate power or infrastructure.
What's the plan?
Don't just tell me that, hey,we're growing, we're doing good.
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What's the plan here?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
And even not just computer chips, but other
manufacturing, is becoming soexpensive that the manufacturers
, the factories, they don't havethe cash available to hire
workforce, even if they saw morecustomers coming.
Their raw goods have just goneup 20% to 50% on their input
side of those manufacturingstreams right.
So they're trying to figure outhow they're going to survive
(13:04):
just at where they.
If they locked everything downright now, how are they going to
get through it?
They don't have the flexibilityto hire these people.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
No, not at all, because I mean into the, you
know, the trade wars that we'restarting with everybody right
now.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
you know tariffs and those have long-term
ramifications right.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Yeah, it's not like you can turn a tariff on and off
and next month everything goesback to normal.
Well, normal countries don'tturn them off and Trump's trying
to.
Canada's like no, we're doingthis Like they're done playing
these childish games.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Yeah, think about back during the pandemic
Everybody can remember that farback I know it feels like it was
a long time ago, but alsoyesterday and the supply chain
snaggles that happened over justshipping, just getting it to us
, not making it, not deliveringit once it got here, but just
getting it across the water.
How long did that take tobecome a real problem?
(13:50):
And then, how long did it taketo recede as a problem?
Right, it took about two monthsfor it all to come crashing
down and people started torealize, wait, there's no such
thing as two days on Amazonanymore, because it's not in
America right now.
Right.
And then you know that took amonth or two to get there.
And then, once all the differentcompanies started to say, hey,
we really don't know when thisstuff's going to show up.
(14:11):
You can place an order, butthere's no guarantees that.
That lasted for a good year,right.
And then it took almost anotheryear for everything to get back
to what we expected as theconsumer, of goods being
available on the shelf on timewhen we think they would be.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
You go to a car lot and like I want to buy this type
of car.
Yeah, you didn't have to wait.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Or if you went to Home Depot, there weren't empty
spots on the shelves where youknow a certain product just
wasn't available.
You know like, oh hey, these,this whole type of screws, just
doesn't exist anymore.
Right, I mean, that was a thing, right, you'd go in there and
just a whole half of an aislewould just be empty.
Why, well, it's made out of acertain type of PVC that isn't
produced in America.
How's that Like?
Speaker 2 (14:53):
how would you even know that Right All of a sudden?
Speaker 1 (14:55):
you're using, we were adapting and overcoming for a
couple of years.
Once we had a, you know, a twoor three month kind of impact,
then it took years for thatimpact to resolve.
So we're we're doing thatartificially right now.
Right, the trade wars createthat same type of impact on the
delivery of goods and on theeconomy.
So if we're talking about youknow we will wrap up this first
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part of space is growing here,or that the economy in Colorado
Springs is growing here, thatseems just really, really hard
to believe.
No matter if it's yourcongressman or a general officer
that has confidence in what'sabout what they think they're
about to do, I can't.
The base where they take theirconfidence from is now in
unstable.
(15:38):
Right and so it's hard tobelieve them.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah, and again, these are people that won't
stand up and say that into yourface either.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
No, right, I mean they can't admit that, right?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
So like there's something else here.
If you can't like stand by yourdecisions, then you need to
represent somebody else, becauseyou oh, I guess you can tell us
who you are.
Well, that's it, yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
I represent some of the people, not all of the
people, yeah.
And you know we look at thistoo.
As we mentioned a minute ago,If you're a junior freshman
congressman and your archnemesis in where's the Space
Command going to live is a verypopular senator, you lose that
argument most of the time, everytime.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Right, so yeah, yeah, you lose that argument most of
the time, right?
Speaker 1 (16:21):
so yeah, yeah, um, and you know, does president
trump know our congressman byname?
No, but does he know tommytuberville for sure?
Yeah, right, and so, and iftommy tuberville calls and says,
I really want some trophies, hetrump's gonna hand him some
trophies, and it wouldn't matterwhat's going on here in
colorado politically, there's nobridges burnt on trump's side
of it yeah, you know, as youtalk about the, how people get
(16:45):
racked and stacked you know,being a freshman in there like
their main goal is still raisingmoney and raising capital for
the election process.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Like the whole citizens united thing just needs
to get like we need to get ridof that.
I don't know how you get rid ofthat, because so many of them
rely on it now.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Well, yeah, I mean once they get their power.
Yeah, they hold on to it.
You're not going to findanother.
There's only so many elon musksout there to court and turn
into your super sugar daddy, youknow?
And that if we got rid ofcitizens united, you'd need a
elon.
Every, every, you know,republican would need their own
personal Elon to bankroll themright, yeah, Well, I mean we're
(17:22):
allowing Russian oligarchs tobuy citizenship now.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Yeah, so I mean it could be happening.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Yeah, their path to citizenship is bankrolling a
senator.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Yeah, and Elon's path to the window is opening up.
They're letting in someprobably pretty nasty people
here.
Yeah, that's true, we havepretty nasty people here.
Yeah, that's true.
But yeah, Citizens United justin general, is just such a
horrific thing for our countryjust to allow corporations to
dump money in in these PACs, todump money in Collective
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spending versus individualspending.
Attendants, local city councilelections, where people are
getting hundreds of thousands ofdollars for these local
campaign elections that is justcoming from nowhere and the
people that are getting put intothese billets are far right.
But all of their mediapropaganda stuff says things
like oh, the four-star saysthat's great, you know nothing
like of substance and people arelike, oh, he's a Republican, so
we're going to go with that.
(18:21):
Yeah, that's true.
So we've just seen it so muchlately.
We need to get that rid of that.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Well, and that we'll probably wrap up on this note.
But last week I noticedsomething and I was talking to
my friend that visited, and thenI saw it again on the TV
yesterday.
So usually when a politicianokay, uh, just a little bit of
inside baseball for everybody Ifyou ever run a campaign, you're
running for office, um, youspend money on your own
(18:48):
advertising, your own media, butthen a PAC, a political action
committee, can come in andinfluence your race, but they
cannot interact with yourcampaign, right?
So that way you don't havecontrol over that money.
If a PAC wants let's say youraise a million dollars and
you're going to spend it all onadvertising a PAC could come in
and spend $5 million in yourrace and you have no control
(19:09):
over that, right?
Those are the TV commercialsthat you generally see, where
it'll show an image of thepolitician that they either like
or don't like, but they'll betalking about them usually in
the third person and then at theend it will say this
advertisement was paid for byconcerned citizens of America,
or, you know, super Trumpfanscom.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Right, and it'll say that down at the bottom.
That's only fans.
Yeah Well, it's his new one,right?
It's true.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
He's going to have a truth and a everything you know,
so he'll have one, Don't worry.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yeah, yeah, that's it .
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Um, uh, but the the takeaway there is that that
little disclaimer at the endmeans this is not done by the
politician.
This is done by someone whowants the politician to succeed
or fail, and so set all that up.
Here's my concern.
Back during the campaign, I sawKristi Noem, who was at one
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point running, for she didn'trun for president, did she, or
was she?
Speaker 2 (20:07):
I think she was in the primary.
She was in the primary, yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Well, anyways, she's now the secretary of the
Department of Homeland Security.
Yeah, I guess she was in therace because her dog book story
of shooting people and stuffthat was out there, right.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Yeah, I guess she was in the race because her dog
book story of shooting peopleand stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
That was out there, right?
So the TV commercials that I'veseen?
This is now.
Trump is in office, theRepublican administration is in
full effect and Kristi Noem isan appointed official, so she is
an official inside thisgovernment.
What do I see on TV?
I see her front and center onpack commercials while she's in
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a seat.
I feel like that should beillegal, right.
And I see it on TV almost everyday in my gym.
It's up on the TV and it's justChristy Nome, christy Nome,
christy Nome, talking to thecamera, all these different
shots of how cool she is andshe's got her flak jacket on and
she's bad Bang, bang pew.
(21:03):
It says this is a political adcampaign and I'm like just can't
.
You can't be the secretary ofsomething and be in a partisan
paid commercial.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Right, because even if you're not even if you're not
paid for that, your imageitself is like pretty powerful.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
So you're not supposed to pick a partisan
thing.
That has got that you know.
And again, once you do getelected, you then have two
offices.
You have your official officeof government policy and then
you have your election office,right, your administrative
election office.
Two totally separate groups ofpeople.
The staff cannot migrate andlike just go back and forth
across the street.
They have to be two differentstaff, right?
You?
Just any elected person hasthat.
They have their election staffand they have their actual staff
(21:48):
you know, this is just flyingin the face of that, and I've
never seen that before.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
There's been so many ethics violations up and down
the Republican party that, yeah,I didn't even notice that we
were able to place it.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Well, exactly, I think that's part of it is that
the muddying of those propagandaversus the official messaging
is.
That's really the concern here,and if anybody else is hearing
this going, why does this matter?
The problem is that thosepolitically paid-for commercials
are propaganda, by design, Imean, and that's fine.
That's what all politicalmessaging is, is it's some sort
of indoctrination, right?
But if you're an official,appointed position, you now are
(22:27):
responsible for people thatdon't agree with whatever that
messaging is, and it's yourofficial duty to carry out that
role for everybody, not forpeople who agree and disagree
with you or you know one way orthe other, and so that's.
The problem is that if you getan official person wrapped up in
this ultra-partisan speech, youno longer have confidence that
that Department of HomelandSecurity is going to secure
(22:48):
liberal populations, right, andthat they may leave you to fend
for yourself because you don'tlike Kristi Noem and she's going
to pick the winners and thelosers.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Right, and I mean, the big thing that I've read
about her recently is that shegot rid of the unions.
She just dissolved the unionsfor TSA and things like that.
Yeah, that seems like it's agross overreach of that's what
this whole administration is allabout.
Right, I know, and like that'swhat I'm saying, like I didn't
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even recognize the, the otherethical violations.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
You know cause they have Part of what I see
happening too for this specificthing is this this type of
ethical violation is that Trumpknows he has a golden ticket.
Right, he has to get out ofjail.
Free card he can do anything hewants in.
The Supreme court already saidhe can do anything he wants.
He thanks them for it.
So, um, so he is extending that.
You know, just like we weretalking about our nuclear
(23:41):
umbrella, he's extending thatumbrella to his, his secretaries
and he's saying if I tell youto do it, guess what?
You cannot get in trouble,because I gave the order and I
am Teflon Don, I can't go tojail, it's not possible.
So if I tell you to do it,you're just carrying out orders,
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roll them all, you just invadeNorth Africa and don't ask
questions.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
I'm still waiting for that.
What's going to be the linewhere people from the right, the
middle, just people who arejust standing by just watching
this happen?
Do we have to make some reallybad choices here?
Well it's already happening,right Whoa whoa whoa, Because if
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Canada cuts that off, I don'tknow if they've actually cut
electricity Not yet.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
So that's our second topic is trade wars.
So let's just jump into thatCanada's electricity, let's do
it, yeah so he's already saidthat that would create a
national emergency Electricity.
Let's do it, yeah, so he'salready said that that would
create a national emergency yeah.
Five states get, you know,enough power from Canada that
they might not be able toreplace it.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Right, yeah, yeah.
But once you make that nationalemergency declaration, then you
can start rolling in militarythings like that Sure and you
start like militarizing ourborder with Canada.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Yeah.
Seize the way that theelectricity comes in and stuff
yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
So, like these, these plans, like they're getting
rolled out right in front of us,when are people that voted for
him going to say, like you knowwhat we need to change this and
like start reaching out to thecause.
Like I can sit there and screamat my representative all day,
doesn't matter.
Like I'm just a lunatic on theleft, yeah, doesn't matter.
Like I'm just a lunatic on theleft, yeah, yeah, you know.
(25:21):
Like change needs to happen onthe right right now.
And like it's just everybody isso happy to be delusional.
You know, I had a friend tellme a story about, uh, he was
talking with some guys thatvoted for you know, maga,
because you know ourgovernment's just so corrupt and
messed up and you know, for thelast 40 years they voted
republican, but this time theyvoted Republican, just because
(25:41):
we deserve to be torn down.
Like what, get off your horseman.
Your righteousness tells usthat America deserves to fall
while you're driving around inan $80,000 Tesla.
What the hell man.
So people have this mindsetthat they can't be wrong.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
That's what I was going to say.
Is, dude, you're waiting on thewhole totally wrong group of
people to stand up and tell itnot to do something.
Because most of them are pretty.
They're like I like the idea ofCanada being the 51st state,
like, look at all that stuff,all those natural resources all
the way up to the North Pole.
We'll just steal it all Likethose folks don't.
(26:20):
I don't think they would careIf we militarily invaded Canada,
they wouldn't blink.
And yes we are talking aboutinvading Canada.
I just want to put a timemarker in here.
It's March 14th or whatever2025.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Yeah, it could be an Eastern invasion.
You know, whatever we do, youknow, and Canada does that, if
we like, if we do that, likewe've just gone to a
dictatorship monarchy, whatever.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Like there's no way we can, there's no way we can
expand as a country and say thatwe're free if we do it with
force?
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Yeah, exactly.
So if we do this, can't changeborders with might, right?
I mean, we have already agreedto that.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Right, so that's going to happen.
So we'll be a monarchy.
Canada's right-wing party isstill pretty left for us.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Oh yes, you know what I mean.
Yeah, they're so.
They still want socializedmedicine, right Right.
Even the most diehard red dudein Canada still wants everybody
to have free healthcare.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Yeah, yeah, he's probably going to get oral
cancer.
They dip a lot, yeah, you knowso, yeah, but you know they,
they don't look at the long.
They just want to have a mightat all times and just beat the
shit out of people.
They do submission all the timeand those folks up there
they're not going to.
There's still more left thanwhat you think.
Sure, yeah, they're not goingto put up with this and so
(27:49):
you're going to try and activelysubvert an entire nation like
this.
It's not going to work, man,this is going to end so poorly
for everybody, like it's notgoing to work man Like this is
going to end so poorly foreverybody.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Yeah, I guess the how far down this rabbit hole can
we go Would the social will endas soon as there's actual
bloodshed over capturing Canada.
Would that be enough?
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Well, Americans will die.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Somebody's going to die, right,and so would that bloodshed be
enough that you know, like me, Idon't know how old, I can't
remember how old your kids are,but my son's 15, and he's
thinking about joining themilitary, you know, just as any
teenage kid might do, and so youknow I told him well, you know,
there's no war going on rightnow, but that's how I joined and
(28:36):
then ended up being in 17 yearsof conflict.
So, don't take that bet.
But would I want my son to puthis life on the line to invade
Canada?
Absolutely not.
It's not worth life and blood,it's just not right.
So but again, we're talkingabout a group of people that are
(28:59):
going to blindly follow overthe cliff and into the pit of
lava.
Right, there is no edge of thecliff, for space.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Have you seen the photographic evidence of Canada
seizing fentanyl from the UnitedStates Piles?
Speaker 1 (29:15):
of it.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
They've seen so much stuff coming from us into.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Canada and we don't have any evidence of it.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Oh yeah, They've seen so much stuff coming from the U
, coming from us into Canada,right yeah, and we don't have
any evidence of it coming downto us, oh sure.
Sure Right.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
And that makes sense because the southern border is
our poorest border, where, ifyou're from a cost and risk
perspective, if you want to movetons of drugs, you're not going
to go to the harder, moredifficult, further away border
yeah, it's a thousand miles away.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Yeah, yeah, if you're trucking through the wilderness
to get stuff across the border,like the warm border is better
than the cold.
Yeah, exactly yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
There are, there's mountain lines, I guess, down
the Mexican border, but notbears, right, you know.
And if you get lost down there,you can find your way out,
right?
It's not like the Canadianforest, where you just go back.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
But you know, find your way out right.
It's not like the Canadianforest where you just go back.
But that's the whole premise ofwhat they want people to be
afraid of is that there'sfentanyl just pouring over the
border.
It's not coming this way, man.
It's not coming from Canada.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Yeah, and I was surprised.
This happened quite a few yearsago, I guess, during the
original immigration kind of bigkerfuffle back in 2017, 18
timeframe, when Trump was tryingto turn it into a story that
was more than what people caredabout.
That was one of the first timesthat I ever heard about.
Well, what about Canadian?
You know illegal immigration.
(30:28):
What about people come from theNorthern border and you know
quickly, you could easily findmedia numbers.
That was like okay, like 6% ofall us illegal border crossings
happen from a border other thanthe Mexico border and that means
any point of entry other thanthe Mexican, even like the
shipping it doesn't matter.
Yeah, it was only yeah, you know, it was like 95, 94,.
(30:49):
95% of all illegal borderactivity happens on the land
border of the United States andMexico.
Right, it was just such a smallnumber.
For the rest, and then you know, you couple that with, well,
the real, the racial tone was,of course, and at that time
almost everybody coming throughthe southern border was of
(31:09):
Latino origin and there weren'tas many international kind of
migrants or asylum seekers.
Those other international folksthat were not Latino were
tending to come through Canadaand through regular asylum
procedures more.
Well, then the story becamethat oh, actually plenty of
people are actually sneakingacross the border from Canada
South, but they generally tendto be white Europeans, and so
(31:33):
when they show up in the UnitedStates and end up in a community
somewhere and even if there's awhole population of them yeah,
you know, oh, oh yeah, ok, cool,you're from Poland, you're from
Lithuania, you're from wherever.
You know Denmark and it's likehow do you?
They just use it automatically,assume they're here on a visa
and that they're allowed to havea work visa.
No, they just sneak over andbecause they're white and spoke
(31:55):
enough English, nobody wouldever ask them, you know.
But the opposite is the truth,for you know the truth for
somebody that's from you know aHispanic family that may have
been born in America, right, andgo back and forth across the
border.
They're always going to betreated as though they're a
suspicious right, that they'relegally there or that they're
doing something wrong.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
I mean, even just speaking on the phone in the
store is dangerous for folks ifyou're speaking.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Spanish.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
People have been accosted for not speaking.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Go back home.
Yeah, that's ridiculous man.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
When did we become ashamed to welcome other people
and to try to even learn anotherlanguage?
If I spoke, I speak onelanguage and it's embarrassing.
I've been to 17 countries, yeah, and, like I know, a bunch of
curse words.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
How to buy beer and how to cuss people out Exactly
After you get drunk.
You need to know how to yellcuss words at people.
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
So yeah, trying to talk down on people that are
bilingual, multilingual, is justridiculous to begin with, and
then to try to say that Sprinklein some racism on that.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
You know, hey, your skin is different color than
mine, right, you know.
But the the the bottom line isthat the story was the truth is,
yeah, still there's a lot of, Iguess, more undocumented
happenings.
The people just aren't trackingit right, like there's not
really good visibility onmigration across the northern
border because it just doesn'tshow up, it doesn't manifest
(33:21):
into the same type of criminalbehavior or government
administrative encroachment,right, it just doesn't get
played out the same way.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Well, it's one of those things where, like, what
gets the money is going to getmanaged.
That's how you makemeasurements is with the money
there, so yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
But this is tied into the bigger trade war argument
you mentioned earlier that youknow they're talking about
cutting off electricity and thiswas the premier of Ontario,
which is their governor.
Right, he's the governor of theprovince.
It's funny because as soon as Iremember that guy showing up on
TV way back in the footballseason I was watching NFL Trump
(33:59):
had been elected.
And as soon as Trump gotelected, that guy started making
TV commercials and Ontariostarted running these tourism
commercials.
But it wasn't your classictourist commercial like come to
Florida, we have beaches.
They didn't care if you came toOntario, they just care if you
bought stuff from Ontario.
They didn't want you to visit.
Right, they're like, hey, youcan stay on your couch, but
(34:22):
please buy some wood and maybeturn on some more lights.
You know, like that was thecommercial hey American, how
many TVs are you watching thison?
Please turn more TVs on, rightyou know, that's funny.
And from November to Decemberto January, ontario was running
all these TV ads like we're yourbest partner, we're your
neighbor to the north, we have75% of all of our trade in both
(34:45):
directions goes X, y, z andnever get mad at Ontario.
And it was also this weirdthing of like, hey, maybe knock
out everybody else, but letOntario keep being Canada.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Let us be in charge and you can storm.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Quebec and turn them into the 51st state but we want
to be where we're at, you know,and like it was just a really
weird, like he was raising hishand saying if you're mad at
Canada, don't be mad at us,right, and it was the most
bizarre thing because it wasn'tan encouraging you to be there
thing, right, that's interesting.
And now here we are.
That same dude is now in a fullon on TV battle with Trump
(35:19):
saying hey, all of my, I likeyou.
Trump TV commercials didn't dome any good, so I have to put my
boxing gloves on and like gotoe to toe with America.
I spent the last four monthstelling you how great I thought
you were, but I'm still inCanada and I guess that's enough
, Right?
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Well, because I mean, people don't understand that
when you give somebody power,they don't stop asking for more
Right?
You know, and he's done it withthe Supreme Court already.
You know they gave him thatonly he can interpret the law.
And now he's trying to take itfrom the House with the power of
the purse.
He's pushing on everything.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
There was just a judge yesterday that said he was
overstepping executiveauthority.
I can't even I mean gosh, itwas an executive order trying to
shut down a specific law firm,why you would write an executive
order for that.
But I mean he did.
He issued an order, a numberedexecutive order, that said the
federal government will not dobusiness with this Peterson and
Coy or something like that lawfirm because they had supported
democratic.
They had supported democratic,yeah, they had defended, you
(36:19):
know, democratic politicalissues in the past.
And so the fact that they haddefended Hillary Clinton in some
court case, he was like that'sit.
They are the, they're the deepstate, they're the ones, they're
the cabal.
This lawyer group is where allthe you know lizard people and
baby blood drinkers are at.
You know they can't do businesswith the federal government.
And so the point of the storyis, the federal judge said this
(36:41):
is absurd.
Like why would any presidentever name a company by name and
do this Right?
Like there's.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
He's named reporters by name and said these people
need to be fired.
And so then?
Speaker 1 (36:51):
his lawyers who was it's the deputy attorney general
that works for Pam Bondi showedup and said the judge said
basically, are you serious, likeyou really believe the
president has the power toblacklist a company like this?
And they said not only does hehave the power, he should
exercise the power Like it ishis right to do it and I can't
(37:11):
believe you have a problem withthis.
Right, that was their response.
And so it was again thisblatant encroachment of like hey
, you already got rid of thisone barrier, so we're going to
establish new precedent and anew barrier.
Right, we got to push as faracross this field as we can go.
Yeah, and it's going to take awhole bunch of judges to tell us
where this line is at.
Not one judge is not going todo it.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Yeah, this whole time frame.
Right now we're just seeinglike a systematic dismantling of
our systems.
We are, and like when we seehow blatantly he's selling us
out to other countries, to ElonMusk, the White House photo op
with the Tesla in front of itAbsolutely disgusting, yeah, to
(37:53):
see that.
And the president probablyhasn't sat in the front seat of
a car in decades.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Decades.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
He had no idea how like a push button start, like
he had no idea there was pushbuttons.
But, like I guarantee you, hewas confused.
Yes, yeah, because a Tesla issomething different.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
It is.
It's just a screen, really.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
But yeah, to sit there on the White House lawn
and make a commercial forsomebody who gets a ton of
government welfare to begin withand we're just going to keep
supplementing them.
And for Trump to say that hisstock shouldn't be taking these
hits, and things like that.
For him to name companies byname, like that to bump stocks
yeah, it's just so gross for oursystem.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
That is a double whammy where he would sign an
executive order saying this onecompany shouldn't exist and then
he'll go on TV on governmentproperty, using his time, his
government taxpayer time, andsay this one dude and his
company, we need to help themout.
And we're looking, we'restaring down a recession, we're
(38:59):
creating a recession byincreasing the trade wars, all
these tariffs, all the deficitof what's going to happen to our
supply chains is all going tohappen again.
And he's standing there sayingI know that everybody who's
watching this has got anunstable financial future.
A lot of you have lost yourjobs.
The government itself isunstable.
As far as what programs may beavailable to support you after
(39:22):
you lose your job, who knows.
But let's spend the next couplehours talking about Elon's cars
.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Right yeah, this $100,000 car that you can't
afford.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Yes, I want you to go get some credit and buy this
and he said he mentioned andthat was the weird thing is that
somebody got a picture of thelittle script he was reading off
of out there and it was clearto say here's the lowest price
point that you can get a Teslaat $35,000.
And so he was like 35,000,that's really affordable.
And I understand that the priceof all cars has gone up and
(39:51):
that 35 is actually a prettymuch a median range right now.
It actually actually a prettymuch a median range right now.
It actually is, which is kindof scary, right.
But, um, now, thirty fivethousand dollars is still not
affordable to most people, right?
Speaker 2 (40:03):
you know, and just such a disconnect.
Um, I hope people startlistening.
Man, yeah, like I said, like Iwe can scream against the wind
all day.
Like the right needs to wake up, like people need to wake up
and realize that either.
Like don't even admit thatyou're wrong, just that you've
been lied to.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Well, and here's the thing is that it takes some
cognitive dissidence forsomebody on the right because
they hate electric cars.
Yeah, Every old redneck dudehates them, hates them they love
.
On Facebook in the winter timeit's nothing but showing broken
down Teslas and showing like ifit was freezing on the road and
your car died.
Blah, blah, blah.
You know you can't put gas inyour car.
(40:42):
Showing some truck pulling upwith a generator on it and
saying the Tesla recoveryservice right, they love it.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
They love it.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
But but uh-oh, the wires have crossed and now
there's a short in the fuse,because the electric car dude is
the deputy of America now right, and we just defunded the
government's program to installcharging stations.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Yes, brilliant.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
So the company itself is going to have to fork out
more cash.
The people who hate electriccars love Elon Musk.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
How's that what?
Speaker 1 (41:12):
kind of upside-down world are we living in?
They hate Teslas, but theythink that he's the smartest guy
in the world, he's going tosave America, solve all our
problems.
But if he came out and said youknow how we're going to solve
our problems?
Every vehicle the governmentowns, from the military to the
Department of Transportation, toeverything, all electric in
five years Tesla top to bottomall those people would lose
(41:36):
their minds.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
I can see them making that push because then you can
put automated drivers and stuffin that you cut your personnel
down.
Like they could make theargument for that so easy on the
numbers, money side of it.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
That like, yeah, I could see them pushing for that
and and yet the same the the youknow how does?
Where does the cookie finallycrumble for these folks when
they can no longer buy theirinternal combustion engine
because Elon Musk convincedtheir king and their hero that
electric is the way to go?
How does that work?
(42:09):
And then what if Elon toldDonald Trump we need more
windmills to charge these cars,because Donald Trump hates
windmills.
He thinks they're ugly, hethinks they kill birds, which he
doesn't care about, other thaneating them.
He doesn't see the windmillsever because, like you said,
he's not in a place wherewindmills are Right.
But when he has seen one, hethought it was really ugly,
(42:29):
right.
But I guarantee you, if Elonwas like Tesla's going to start
making windmills and we're goingto put them everywhere, to
start making windmills and we'regoing to put them everywhere,
next week, trump would be likewindmill capital of the world.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
America's gonna make all the windmills and we're
gonna sell them to everybodyelse and it's gonna get us out
of debt he'll start a war withholland and try to take this he
would.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
He would if elon said we need to start making
windmills and they need to haveamerican flags on all the tips,
yeah, we'd be cranking them outin alabama by this time next
week.
There'd be a factory turned onjust cranking out windmill parts
, right, so?
But these dudes, the bros thatall love Trump, couldn't wrap
their heads around that, right,if, if, like I'm sure they're
(43:07):
like I can't believe.
My hero just told me to buy anelectric car, like that just
happened yesterday.
Trump pissed all over theirboots.
Right, he did.
He was like I know you reallylove diesel engines and I know
you love that, but that stuff'sno more.
Right, you got to come get thiscool electric computer car.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Well, same thing with some of the red flag laws that
he's passing for guns he'stotally against what his base
wants.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Right, yeah, that's not Second Amendment.
There's no red flag in theSecond Amendment, you know, as
far as those guys are concerned,right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
Crazy, crazy times.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Well, let's see what will he sell next week, I guess
right.
Yeah, that'll be the let's takebets we need to have.
Our viewers need to tell us youknow what product, what's the
craziest product we think Trumpis going to back in the next few
months.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
Well, I think he's going to have like an X flag or
a truth social flag, like flyingfrom the White House, maybe
Like just start puttingadvertisements on the White
House.
That's my.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
Elon starts he's wearing the black MAGA hat.
Maybe Trump starts wearing an Xhat or a Tesla hat right, he
just starts branding his head,his forehead is for sale now.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Yeah, when they get out of bed in the morning they
don't wear each other's hatsometimes.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
Yeah, it's cute, yeah , it's cute.
Oh, you have my hat on Allright?
Speaker 2 (44:22):
Well, we'll end it on that beautiful picture.
Yeah, remember Town Hall, mpcTown Hall.
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