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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of
Left Face.
I am your co-host, dickWilkinson, and I'm joined today
with Adam Gillard.
Hey, dick, how's it going today?
I'm doing great.
This is the Pikes Peak Region'sProgressive Podcast and I'll
just leave it at that.
That's enough T's for today.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
It's too late to play with words.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
I didn't come with any notes.
I've got to start writing thesedown, yeah right.
This is a special episode.
This is Left-Faced After Dark.
We got busy with the otheractivities this week so we're
recording on Saturday evening.
Maybe we'll have a bit oflevity.
In the episode this week westart off with, we get to end
(00:45):
the Kilmar count as far as himbeing out of country and
illegally deported, he's back incountry.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
You told me about it, Adam.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
So how did you find out?
How did you first find out?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
So it was really just the headline caught me off
guard today.
It's what?
84 days ish now, yeah, um, andI saw it and it's, you know, uh,
washington post, you know, ontheir top seven, you know, kill
Mars back.
And then I opened it up and andhe's been arrested.
Yeah, what the hell?
Yeah, so they, they, they,finally they finally followed
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the judge, because they wereordered to do this weeks ago.
It was in April, it was the endof April.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yeah, it's been six weeks almost.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah, and we kind of talked about how this was that
Andrew Jackson moment.
Well, they made their decision,or they made their ruling.
Let them enforce it.
To me.
This is the Trumpadministration following the
order just as slowly as possibleUntil they probably got enough
evidence to get this trumped upcharge.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yeah, that was probably.
It was they needed tomanufacture something so that
once he came back, he couldn'tbe a folk hero, basically.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, so they got him on human trafficking and I
don't know what the evidence isand all that.
That's just the charge thatthey read.
But you know, you were tellingme a bit ago about a run-in that
he had with the law back in2019, was it?
I think it was that far back.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yeah, yeah, I saw the video.
I think it was that far backvan.
(02:44):
They didn't have any luggageand he said they were going from
a work site in one state to awork site in another state and
the police conferred outside ofthe vehicle.
But on camera there, with eachother on body cam, they're like
man.
I really think he's haulingpeople.
You know like I don't thinkthese people are just getting a
ride.
You know like I feel like he'sup to some kind of criminal
(03:04):
activity.
Which state was it again.
I think he was in Tennessee iswhere he got pulled over by the
highway patrol or the statetroopers, but there was really
nothing to report that day.
They let him go with all thosepeople.
He had an expired driver'slicense and he didn't even get a
ticket, he just got sent on hisway.
But that was what put the Trumpadministration on a path, or
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the DOJ on a path, toinvestigate his overall life
activities as long as he's beenin the United States, basically.
So, yeah, that was the hookthat got him started and I agree
, you're right, the timeline wasprobably how long is it going
to take us to put a casetogether?
So, since we can indict him,and that's what happened.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
So, yeah, yeah, it's gonna be interesting to see what
evidence and witnesses theycome forward with, because you
know they talked with theprevious owner of the van, who's
in prison and he supposedlyrolled on him.
But I mean this guy's alreadyin prison.
He can say what He'll be on thenext list of pardons.
Probably He'll get pardonednext week, probably.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
He'll get pardoned and handed some meme coins on
the way out to prison right.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
I mean like here's your new money.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
You don't know, since you went to prison, man, we got
rid of regular money and now weuse this stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Trump coins.
Here's your card.
I don't think we're that faroff from that.
No it's a few months away, youknow, they've already like
planted the ideas of likegetting him onto you know bills
dollar bill, like the $500 billor something like that.
Like they're trying to get hisface on something.
It's like there's they haverules against all this stuff.
Like like we're not here tomake idols in these.
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Like you know, big you know putthem up on a pinnacle.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
We're getting rid of pennies.
I think we should make a threecent coin and it should be the
Donald Trump three cent penny.
It's.
It's useless, because you can'treally pay for anything with it
.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Yeah, that would be.
Everybody would curse it assoon as they got got another
Trump.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
It's like the worst change you can get.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah Well.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
I'm glad that Kilmer's back as far as due
process, we're not surprised.
I don't think that he didn'tcome back to a hero's welcome or
even a quiet.
You know, slip him in the backdoor and he's just back.
Now.
It was uh, you know he cameback to just more, more problems
and and more harassment, butyou know yeah, yeah, it's and
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it's.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
I think it's a another distraction from what's
going on in the streets actively.
You know, when you look atwhat's going on in california,
how, uh, crowds are chasing outice and like people are standing
up and actually being effective, stuff like that I think you
know.
Again, the one thing trump isgood at is like marketing and
like controlling the media,controlling the narrative, and
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you know, I've been seeing a lotof resistance and a lot of
people standing up and fightingback against these things.
So this might be another one ofthe things we're like hey look,
we brought him back and he is acriminal.
Look at this.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Yeah, you can't fight us on this.
Yeah, we were right all alongRight.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Everybody that we pick up is a criminal, and you
know it.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
just give us enough time and we'll prove it that
it's true his uh littlepsychopath sidekick there, uh
steven miller, I think yeah, isthat miller?
Yes, yeah, he was going on arant about three thousand people
a month or a day or somethinglike, just a number he didn't
really give a shit about tryingto get him off, like pick people
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up.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
you, you're saying, yeah, that was his goal, yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yeah, but like, and it's just, he just stuck on a
number and they just wanted toget people.
They picked up a tourist whowas, you know, traveling here
and, like, separated her fromher daughter and arrested the
tourist.
It's like, what the hell areyou guys doing, man?
I believe it.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Man, there's so many people that won't travel here
now because they're just worriedabout something going sideways,
you know, and even if they'refrom totally friendly countries
right, you know germany, youknow uk they're like I'd rather
go somewhere else.
Brazil, I hear brazil is nicethis time of year.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
You know like, oh, and even the uh somewhere else,
those reporters that we talkedto a while ago, you know coming
in from, uh, the netherlands, Ithink it was the netherlands
yeah, um, like, like they werenervous that their visas
wouldn't even get approved.
You know saying that your presscoming into international
journalist yeah yeah.
So, like you know, they hadsome uh, a lot of concerns and
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then yet traveling here.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Obviously it's a lot more dangerous here than
anywhere else well, um, let'sswitch gears to people traveling
here, south africans, the uh,the feud between elon musk and
donald trump.
Um, one of the things that Iheard was I wonder if the
special visas for all the SouthAfrican Afrikaner white refugees
(08:10):
, if those will just kind ofvanish soon.
If things fall apart betweenElon and the White House, those
special visas may just disappearin the wind.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Right, I mean, and he is 100, like he being being
trump?
Is 100 that petty to like?
Speaker 1 (08:27):
do stuff like that well he signed an executive
order this this week reinforcingthe old muslim ban from way
back in like 2017 oh, yeah,first one that he ever came up
with.
This was basically the samething.
He just turned it back on andhe just did that.
So yeah for sure he'd be like,hmm, africa, it has africa in
the name you know, yeah, thatwould be enough for him to add
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it to the list, you know so yeah, I wonder, uh, because we all
know it was a shady deal tobegin with.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Like, like those, uh, south africaners they weren't
refugees, they weren't, like,named that by the un or anything
like that.
It was just the trumpadministration handing out visas
to folks.
That is probably, like you said, directly related to Musk.
Yeah, it's going to be reallyinteresting to see if that comes
back into play.
(09:16):
But I think the biggest,obviously the biggest one that
Elon tweeted about over the lasttwo days or whatever it's been,
he threw Trump under the busfor days or whatever it's been,
um, he threw Trump under the busfor the Epstein files.
Yes, oh, like, for as much as Ihate the guy, like, thank you
(09:36):
Cause, like, like, it is so goodto hear somebody like an ally,
a close ally of Trump saysomething like that.
You know what I mean.
I mean um, now, granted, heprovided no evidence.
He's never seen the, the fbfhouse, he, he's talking out of
his ass, sure, but like, good,like I, I hope, because he's got
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enough of his own crazyfollowers.
Like, like, yeah, I mean,there's enough smoke on on the,
the epstein trump connection,that like I mean, there's
pictures, dude, you can't reallyhave any more, you know yeah,
they're laughing, joking, yeah,like, yeah, it's just well.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
I mean, I'm just thankful that, uh, anybody has
the or believes they have theability to take a run at donald
trump and just get in a fightwith him.
You know what?
I'm saying Like MitchMcConnell's too old to do it.
He's, you know he's got thewherewithal to like want to
fight back in the politicalsense, but he's just kind of
(10:35):
throwing.
He's like the old dudes on theMuppets that are up in the
stands.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
That's what he's doing now, as his lame duck.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
you know term ends out, but you know that's what
he's doing now as his lame duckterm ends out.
But Elon Musk is like youngblood.
He's got, like you say, he'sgot followers.
He's got people that care andlisten to him.
So I'm glad to see anybody withthat kind of sway get into a
fight with Donald Trump, andeven though he's saying stuff
that's not true or maybe ismake-believe as far as some of
the stuff that he's trying tothrow out there, that's right,
(11:02):
right out of donald trump's booktoo.
You know what?
I'm saying he got yeah he's beenfound guilty for doing it.
You know in civil cases.
You know like he's lostmillions and millions of dollars
for doing it, so you know, elonmusk is like hey, here's a
little taste of your ownmedicine.
You're a pedophile, you know,and it's like, guess he had it
(11:23):
coming right, you know, yeah,yeah you're right, because
trump's done that so many timeswhere they notorious.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah, they throw out the headline.
We say actually it was thewhole doge thing.
We always saved, you know, onetrillion dollars.
It's like a hundred million man, but nobody reads that second
headline.
You know where they come backand correct the headlines
exactly and that's how socialmedia fights go too.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
It's just headlines, right like literally character
limited headlines.
That's.
All you can do is shootheadlines at each other yeah,
and so it's made for it's madefor news, you know, because they
can just take them and justrepost them, rebroadcast them
and give it one little piece ofcontext.
So the news was having a heydayon like wednesday when it all
blew up, you know, or thursdaythen it was.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
They were all having fun with that but yeah, on the
uh, the joe roman podcast he uhthere, I think is his assistant
there jamie read one off to himthat actually the pedophile went
off to him uh out, like liveout by the recording so like,
yeah, it was just like firingyeah, now, like we said, you
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know no evidence.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Um, it's, it's just the what's the most heinous
thing I can say, and it's prettyhard, you know trump is raised
to that bar because he said somepretty bad stuff himself, you
know right.
So it's pretty hard to say like, look at how bad of a dude he
is, well, we already know that,you know Right.
So it's pretty hard to say,like, look at how bad of a dude
he is, well, we already knowthat, you know.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Yeah, um, another interesting thing about that uh
Rogan podcast.
The guy that he was that was hewas talking with was uh cash
Patel.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Oh, really, yeah On the podcast that day.
On the podcast that day and soand so patel was like I'm not
touching that at all.
He's like, yeah, I have.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
I have lanes and that is not my lane.
Yeah, way to get fired, joe.
Yeah, yeah, it was funny how hejust immediately was like nope,
not even going there.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah, well, do you think?
I mean I believe that it's hardto say it.
I believe Elon Musk is genuinethat's a loaded phrase, but I
believe that he genuinelydoesn't like the big, beautiful
bill, and I think that is thefalling out.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Really, the root of all of it is that there's
genuine disagreement there andthe two dudes are going to part
ways over that well, what's wildabout you know that that bill
also, is that even uh, thenutcase in uh georgia, uh,
taylor green, marjorie taylorgreen, she was like she came out
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kind of screaming about itafter she signed up for it.
She's like oh, I didn't read it.
Like what the yeah, that'sliterally what you're getting
paid for man.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Yes, Too late.
You already voted yes.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Yeah, and there was another instance recently where
in the Oval Office they weresigning something and the guy
that was signing it I can'tremember which country he came
from, but during the pressconference trump was like, yeah,
and they just agreed to movetheir uh tel aviv embassy to
jerusalem.
And the guy like was that waswith them, like gave him, like
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the deer in the headlights,looking back and through the
paperwork, like like I didn'tsay that, like, but like I think
he coordinated.
I think that they might have tomove their.
It's like austria or hungary orsomething like that.
Wow, yeah well, yeah, peoplejust aren't reading shit and
like they're still trying tolike, trust them and go like
steven, you know whitmer's thing, you know a few months ago
(14:56):
where she went there and theytried to like, you know, uh, get
a photo opportunity with herand she, you know, held the book
up.
Like people should know by now.
Like You're dealing with asnake At every fucking level.
You're dealing with a snake.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Yeah, you just can't be trusted.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Yeah, I'm surprised that the I guess, if you're a
politician, there's some valuein thinking well, everybody else
tried, but let me go try too,right, like maybe I'll be the
one that gets through.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
You know, and so I suppose that was Whitmer's
desire or intention there.
You know it was like I'mwilling to go and I know I've
watched other people walk downthrough this and it reminds me
of the never ending story, theOracle, where he has to run
through there and it shootslasers at him.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Right, he's like.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
I can watch all the people walk through here and get
shot with lasers, right, butmaybe I'll be the one that's
true of heart and I'll make itthrough you know Nobody's ever
true of heart.
Nobody makes it through.
You know, You've got thisatreyu.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yeah only atreyu, and he's not in congress right now
so no, where is he?
Speaker 1 (16:11):
he's at mar-a-lago atreyu, that's the name of the
uh you know groundskeeper downthere uh, what was the uh?
What was the other topic we hadhoped to cover today?
Oh, the colorado springs, uh,local colorado story, boulder
(16:31):
another one yeah, so yeah, we've, we've.
Oh, the Colorado Springs, localColorado story, boulder, another
one.
Yeah, so yeah.
We've mentioned over the pastfew months that Colorado Springs
is catching a lot of bad news,even though the bad things are
happening in other places.
Come to find out.
The community here hasunfortunately produced some
people that have committed somereally bad things, and that
happened again.
Bad things, and uh, thathappened again.
Um, this, the national newsstory that everybody's aware of,
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that uh, attacking Boulder.
Um, not, you know thisdemonstration you can't call it
a demonstration.
Every week, these people walkaround this closed off
pedestrian area.
They walk slowly and just carrysigns and wear shirts and um,
they're in support of um, jewishpeople in Israel and the
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release of the hostages.
Um, you know from gaza, reallythat's what it's about is the
release of the hostages right,right and um yeah, so this guy
is an it was an egyptiannational, had been in the united
states legally for some amountof time, but but then um had
overstayed his visa, um, but allof that aside, um, he planned
(17:35):
for a year to try and find aplace where he could attack
people that were in support ofIsrael and, you know, zionism, I
guess, as he saw it.
So, um, heinous attack, uh,fire, you know he, he had a
backpack type sprayer that hadfuel in.
It is what people said and thatwhen they said he was using a
(17:56):
flamethrower, he was sprayingpeople like that, right, and
then that thing kind of brokedown, pretty quickly, I guess,
and so and he was catchinghimself on fire, and like I
don't think that was hisintention, you know, and so he
uh took his.
That's why I took his clothesoff, because the backpack had
started catching him on fire.
Um yeah, yeah, and so he wantedto be able to throw more
(18:18):
molotov cocktails at peoplebefore he died.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
I guess if he thought he was gonna die so yeah, I
think that he still had like 14or something like that loaded up
, you know, ready to go.
Yeah, I did see one person kindof of yelling at him and
talking to him and trying to gethim to stop doing what he was
doing.
But that area right there is ano-gun zone.
It's one of the few ones in thestate where no guns concealed
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carry or open carry.
So folks were kind of chirpingabout that.
But you know, at the end of theday, the 14 folks that were
injured, uh, I think everybodystill survived.
Um, I'm not sure the extent ofother injuries, yeah, but uh,
yeah, it was a heinous thing.
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That could have been a lot, lotworse, yeah, um, but uh, well,
what's frustrating to me is justhow people can justify their
anger with you know what theyfeel is a genocide happening
there, right, yeah, why, why doyou?
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How does that get you to driveyou to kill somebody here?
Like where is thatjustification?
And like how do you tie thatback into religion?
And like I just don'tunderstand it at all.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
It just blows my mind yeah, and so the um I did hear
one um comment really, this isabout the only time I heard this
was that this is the evidenceof when terrorist leaders call
for global jihad type movements,this is what they are hoping to
(20:03):
inspire.
Is this type of violence right?
And so people who are alreadyripe for radicalization are the
ones that get set up for theselone wolf type situations?
Right, and so that's that'skind of the path of what happens
.
Is the radicalization materialsare there?
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They're.
If you want to find them, it'seasy to find them.
Right.
If you want to find them, it'seasy to find them Right.
Right, and so, yeah, peoplethat you know are politically
motivated or emotionallymotivated by some experience
they had, they feel like they'regetting deported, you know, and
they're like well, it's becauseof the you know Jews or the,
whatever, it's the you knowglobal order that you know they
want to keep people like me, youknow, trapped in dangerous
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places or whatever.
It doesn't make sense, you know.
That's that's not what 80 yearold people in Boulder are doing,
you know.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
But um, it's crazy to me just how like deeply
passionate people are, um,connected, when, like, this guy
was Egyptian, so he's there.
But but I have a friend that,uh, she's a Jewish lady and
she's really struggling rightnow with anything Palestine, but
like, like, if you say freePalestine, it really upsets her
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and and it's just reallyinteresting to me that, like the
sweetest person in the worldand she's just like Nope, gotta
be gone.
She's a hundred percent Zionistand she's proud of it.
You know, nope, got to be gone.
She's 100% Zionist and she'sproud of it.
You know, it just blows my mindthat people can take religion
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and use it to kill people.
I just don't understand that.
It's like every great thingthat man has created, we could
use it for good, like nuclearenergy, but we could power the
world and do everything and keepit clean, and now let's kill
everybody.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Yeah, that's what we're going to do with this.
Well, I made the argument theother day Someone had saw that
there was a someone tried tofire bomb something.
Separate attack, separatesituation.
But the two or three peoplethat got caught and arrested in
the attempt to carry out thisattack, they admitted that they
(22:14):
had used chat, GPT or Gemini orsomething like that to look up
plans on how to make explosivesand understand the like,
explosive velocity of certaintypes of materials so that their
bombs would actually explodeRight and not just catch things
on fire.
And so they said yeah, yeah, weused AI to look this stuff up,
and so the headline was AI helpsdudes make a bomb.
(22:35):
And you know my comment to thatwas no.
Like you know, shared humanknowledge helps dudes make a
bomb right, Like you could have.
Googled this.
The Jolly Roger cookbook hasbeen around for 40 years it
seems like now.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Yeah, the Anarchist cookbook has been around for 40
years.
It seems like you know.
So, yeah, yeah, the anarchistcookbook.
Yeah, there was hardcovercopies floating around.
Like you can get all sorts ofcrazy information out there on,
like the the the bright side ofthe internet.
You go to the dark side.
Like you can get all sorts ofshit Like those they'll deliver
to your house.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Yeah, exactly they'll deliver to your house.
Yeah, exactly.
So there's, uh, you know, don't, don't say, because somebody
used chat gpt to look somethingup, that ai is is turning on.
You know, is the rail?
The rails are off.
You know we can't keep us safe.
Those dudes could have lookedthat up at the freaking library.
Honestly, you know, they wouldjust had to do some math, you
know, to learn about theexplosive velocity of.
(23:29):
You know different materials.
That requires some trigonometryor something, and it's like,
nah, I'll just chat GPT that.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
AI doesn't kill people.
People kill people.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Yeah, people kill people.
I like it.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Maybe that's AI's propaganda, though telling me
that.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Well, I guess what can be done about a community
producing so many differenttypes of problem citizens or
members, because the polaropposites from the guy who blew
(24:14):
up the cyber truck in Las Vegasto the guy who firebbombed
people in boulder.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Um, couldn't be any more different.
You know what I'm saying well.
So like violence, the, theattacks on our like mental
consciousness, it doesn't justhappen to like far-right mega
folks.
You know, sure, um it, bothsides have so much uh like
depletion of just like attentionspan, critical thinking, all
these things from like justmelting our minds over the years
(24:38):
from social media and havingthat constant dopamine drip, so
now, when I'm get upset, I thinkit's the end of the world.
You know, uh, you know ourminds are just different now,
like we have changed as aspecies.
You know our minds are justdifferent now, like we have
changed as a species.
You know, now that we've comeinto this digital age where you
know we're trying to raisechildren off of Miss Rachel, you
know the YouTube videosteaching your kids songs so that
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you can sit there and playcandy crush.
Yeah, you know we're.
We've done such a disservice toourselves by leaning so heavily
onto technology.
As I sit here, you know,talking to the phone with my
nice headphones and everything,but yeah, right, um well, I mean
, I don't disagree with that,and yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
So how do you?
How do you come?
Speaker 2 (25:22):
back from that, though you know to come back
from that.
You know I know people reallyenjoyed the and covid really, uh
, got this on the fast trackbecause once a lot of people
went into their homes and couldstill work and still communicate
and still hang out with theirfriends, they're like well shit,
I don't need to be outside then, I don't need to go do this
stuff, and you know I don't needto just sit in quiet and
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peacefulness.
You know that we always havesomething hey, we're well armed.
Yeah, I mean like I agreethere's.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
There's a common theme there between the various,
you know, problems that I'msure we've.
That we've experiencedthroughout the community
recently is that, uh yeah,extreme content online and the
uh kind of feedback loop thatyou get from either looking at
other people's content orbelieving you're going to
produce your own in some grandgesture, you know yeah that.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yeah, that's a a factor in all those cases, for
sure one of the best uh tips Igot when I was campaigning last
year.
Uh, he's like be prepared forno.
Like you're gonna say thingsand people like you're gonna
like know that you're right, butsometimes be like no.
Like what do you do then?
And it's just something that,like, a lot of people don't ever
(26:42):
think about because they thinkthat what I have in my head is
right, this is the way that it'sgoing to be, this is the way
that it should be, yeah, and andthey're not ready to accept
your reality no, shared reality.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Yeah and uh, man, I'll tell you you are, you are
not, you're.
You cannot be doing a very goodjob as a politician If you
can't hear the haters, if youdon't know where they're at,
then you're not making very muchnoise, you know you got to know
right where they're at and whatthey're mad about.
That means that they hear you,right if?
(27:20):
If the haters aren't makingnoise, they haven't heard you
yet.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
That's it so yeah, and if you look at, you know
with us about to lose spacecommand and we have a
representative that is vacant,like you don't hear anything
about jeff frank.
Yeah, you know, uh, and nowwe're like I'm confident it's
gonna happen pretty soon, we'regonna lose space command.
And then he's're like I'mconfident it's going to happen
pretty soon, we're going to losespace command.
And then he's going to comeback and say, oh, it's not that
(27:43):
big of a deal, but like, as timegoes on, we're going to keep
losing contracts and contractsare going to move to where the,
the, the four stars are sitting.
Uh, and like a lot of our youand like a lot of these project
managers around here and thingslike that, yeah, you guys either
get to move to Alabama or kickrocks like you're a contractor,
(28:05):
they don't care.
You know, it's not like thegovernment, where the GS
positions, where you get tochoose or have seniority.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Yeah, yeah, no, you're absolutely right.
I've got my son, he's got afriend that's moving away and
it's because his dad is a SpaceForce civilian and the whole
command and headquarter elementthat he's a part of is getting
reassigned out to Cape Canaveralarea in Florida, and so I don't
know how many people that is,but that's a headquarters
(28:32):
element that's moving now.
So I don't I just don't knowhow many people, but it happened
pretty quick.
I know it happened over thepast few months.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
So so something else that uh with just think about
shriever and the election that'sgoing on, the special election
here in colorado springs.
Yeah, it's carmen line, it's alittle flag uh, development like
outside the city limits.
There there's a lewis banningwho owns like pretty much the
east side of Colorado Springs.
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They have a chunk of land rightthere, so they don't want to
develop their land becausethey're charging us more for
their land up north.
Right, if they opened up all oftheir land, then they're just
trying to squeeze the market asmuch as they can, right.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
And so these other developers built on the other
side of their land and they'retrying to get the city to pay
for that.
Road infrastructure, sewerinfrastructure and police fire,
all that stuff for anothercommunity that's, you know, not
connected to us at all.
Um, so obviously, like, no,like.
Developers should not beallowed to like use taxpayer
(29:37):
monies to fund theirinfrastructure.
And as soon as they do that,louis Vanning's going to start
selling their stuff, because nowthat the infrastructure's laid
in, they're going to save a tonof money on their next
development.
So, yeah, it's just ridiculous.
How did we even get onto thisone?
(29:57):
Where did I jump from?
Ridiculous, uh, how did we evenget out of this one?
Where did I jump from?
I, I do not know.
You're talking about the localballot initiative but yeah, I
can't remember how I was goingto tie this back into what we
were talking about before, butbut yeah, if you haven't voted
yet, make sure you get yourballot in, uh no one know on the
carmen line okay.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
So yeah, I saw the signs and it said military
friendly, like eco-friendly andwater friendly, or something
like that.
You brought me back.
You brought me back.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Yeah Right, no shit they yeah, military friendly,
water friendly?
Yeah, come on.
Yeah, uh, pfas is a thing.
Yeah, uh, the uh the basecommander out at Schriever
issued a statement that prettymuch said like they don't really
care one way or the other.
They like to be involved indecisions.
But it didn't really make astatement one way or the other,
(30:51):
or he said he encourages thegrowth around that area.
But as somebody that has abackground in uh like satcom and
uh jamming and interference,like the closer that you move a
community to shriever air forcebase where a lot of critical
statcom information is like, youneed three things to jam a
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satellite you need the frequency, you need power, you need to be
inside the footprint.
Sure, sure, if you give peoplemore, like Schriever is out in
the middle of nowhere, becauseit's the middle of nowhere and
we can see the sky really well,if we keep moving communities
out there closer, we're movingpotentially bad folks into
footprints that they shouldn'tbe allowed to be in.
(31:35):
Yeah, so like it's just that'show I was coming back.
So, yeah, gotcha, so these likeshort, short-term, you know uh
problem, or I don't want to sayit's a problem, but but they're
trying to like do this littlequick election and it's gonna
have not just like put stressorson our local you know police
(31:57):
fired, you know all these otherservices but like on a national
level, you're gonna put housesat shriever's back door, like
we're gonna.
We're gonna keep surroundingshriever air force base that has
, like so many critical systemsout there.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Um, we're just gonna potentially put bad guys right
at the back door yeah I um, forme, I, I saw, I looked it up, I
looked up what the carmen linewas and I just thought to myself
, hey, like man, you know if I,if I'd like to buy a house if it
was out there now, you know,like if I was going to get the
station out here.
I'd want my house to be closeto the base.
(32:34):
You know, that was all Ithought.
It was just from the activeduty military member mindset of
like yeah, sure, I want thepolice to cover my neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
You know why?
Not you know, but like.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
but there are three hours behind schedule today,
like yeah, well, the the thingthat popped into my head today
was this is the only thing onthis ballot, it's the only topic
and it is a special election inthe middle of the summer.
At the municipal level.
They're going to get like 500votes.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
You know yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
That's it, you know.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Nobody's going to vote on this thing the
developers are going to, youknow, vote on it, and that'll be
half the you know, right there,all the folks down there close
to that community will probablysay, yes, you know, or just
because they'll get more, somemore resources down there.
But yeah, um, because actuallyyou know, I, I take that back.
I was just uh remembered.
(33:27):
I read that the folks that areliving out there right now, they
don't even get a vote in thisbecause they're not.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
So, yeah, they're not in the city.
Yeah, yeah, so, yeah, so yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
They got a hope on the kindness of strangers on
this one.
Yeah, man, if I know anythingabout Colorado Springs, get in
line kick.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Yeah, that's funny.
Well, we'll see how it goes.
When does that happen?
July, that's when that is, orno.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
June 17th.
Oh, okay.
Gotcha, that is or no, june17th, okay, gotcha, I think it's
one of those ballots need to bein.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
So we'll have an answer on that soon.
Yeah, well, maybe that's whereI'll buy my first uh, you know
extra house.
I'll go out there and buy it.
Once they put it inside thecity limits, I'll go get out
yeah, yeah, yeah, then we haveyour nice uh police department.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
I'll take you three hours to get out to you.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Yeah, that's right, I'll call the base.
I'll tell them that there'ssome freaky, weird foreign
people are sneaking around in mybackyard.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Oh God, yeah, You'll get helicopters and everything.
It's crazy because the folks inour town and I've been seeing
it around the nation there'sstill nothing on the 80 plus
members that got disappearedfrom our town.
They're just gone yeah I agree.
Yeah, we don't know what'sgoing on.
Yeah, and more and morecompanies are calling ice on
(34:51):
their, on themselves and thatnice, just go around people up.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
I guess you get to coordinate what day they show up
if you call them yourself,versus if you're going to show
up on their own Right.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Yeah, Pick up the drywallers last.
Well, actually get the painterslast.
Yeah, Okay, electrical you guysare done.
Okay, get the electrical guysout of here, yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
And also, you know it could be a way of only so many
people show up to work that day.
And then you know the, you knowI shows up and leaves and then
you know, next week all the restof the people that actually
work there show up back to work.
You know it's sort of a baitand switch.
Unfortunately, you know they'rethrowing people under the bus,
but we're not talking aboutnecessarily.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
How would it feel to be the one guy that like wasn't
told that plan and you stillshowed up?
You were like, yeah, you showup.
You realize like there's notthat many trucks, you know you
get to work today.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
You're like man, there's not that many cars in
the parking lot, where iseverybody?
You know.
You walk into work and you'relike ah no you know, you guys,
yeah back to el salvador.
You're texting everybody.
You guys didn't tell me youknow before you get arrested.
You're like man it's kind oflike, uh, falling asleep and
(36:11):
getting you know pictures drawnon your forehead with the marker
or something you know.
It's like ah, we didn't tellyou you're getting the board,
dude, you know how terrible isthat.
That's america right now.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Yeah, so her, it's so horrific like I can't remember
I can't remember earlier in ourconversation there was a point
you said something and I wasjust like how, how is this a
reality?
You know, there's somethingabout violence or bombing
something, something somewhereand it's just like how is this
our reality now, where peopleare yeah, this did I mean, it's
(36:47):
not that bad here and people arestill acting like, like we're
in a third world country.
Yeah, you know, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Ridiculous the well.
As we opined about earlier, thepower of the repetitiveness of
messaging is different, right,whereas you watch the news once,
maybe twice a day back when itwas only on TV and you didn't
have it in your hand all thetime.
Right, and even people thatdidn't want to watch the news,
they tune in and watch, like thelocal news, for like half hour
(37:18):
every day, but that was it.
You got to get the, got theweather, processed it, and then
you moved on, right, right, andnow it is a never-ending feed,
and so that repetition of thesame type of message can hit you
from multiple places multipletimes a day.
You know, yeah, and it's alwaysbe afraid, be afraid yeah, of
someone that's not.
You know somebody.
You know somebody that we toldyou is the boo.
(37:39):
Be afraid of someone that's not.
You know somebody.
You know somebody that we toldyou is the boogeyman, or that's
different, or that's whatever.
Right?
So, yeah, that's it and you'reright, that's.
That's.
That's part of that shortcircuiting that you were saying
of everybody being the one edgeand willing to overreact and
feeling like it's the end of theworld's because you're being
told it is.
You know, you know um a lot youknow?
Speaker 2 (38:03):
unfortunately, you're being told it is a lot yeah, so
well.
Well, to all our listenlisteners, it's not the end of
the world it's not yeah we'regonna get through some of this
yeah, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Uh, you know the the I'm curious, the back half after
the midterms, when thewriting's really on the wall and
the gentleman who's in theWhite House this time.
Didn't want to leave last time.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Yeah, because they're going to start talking
primaries and who's going toreplace you and who you're going
to endorse.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
And yeah, it's going to be.
It's going to get really choppy.
I've always had it in my backpocket that war with Russia
would be a way where some sortof War Powers Act of you know
something that we all don't knowabout.
It's written on the back of theConstitution.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
You know right.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Yeah, whatever the Nicolas Cage has to read it for
you.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
you know Trump knows about it and he's going to be
like it's the war powers of 1842, you know, because it wasn't
that some of the justificationthat FDR used to run for a third
term?
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
And that's why we have term limits, right, is that
?
Speaker 1 (39:21):
there's a sitting president, can't?
That would encourage people,unfortunately, to start a war,
to stay in the white house,right, and so I'm just saying
that's a possibility, that's apath.
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, I'm surethey're looking at every
possible path right now and soyou know, keeping ukraine and
(39:41):
and russia warm, but not hot, ispotentially politically
expedient, depending on whatkind of outcome you want to
choose.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
You know yeah, so something I've always kind of
just had kicking around.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
I guess that's the intelligence guy in my in, yeah,
you know, foreign policy I seethrough sort of the intelligence
lens and that's the one thatI'm like we could solve this
problem and we're not, and Idon't know why you know and that
could be why you know oh yeah,something to chew on.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Thanks for that one yay, you know what?
Speaker 1 (40:12):
I think that's a good conspiracy theory that we can
just.
Maybe we end the show on thatright we should.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
We gotta start our own right if we talk about
everybody else's conspiracies,all the time we need to crank
some out every now and then,right yeah, exactly so that
they'll never know we're batshitcrazy if we don't have a
batshit crazy if we don't havesome.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Yeah and you know, I also think that's very fitting
for our first, uh, after darkedition.
Is that we we wrap up with aconspiracy theory yeah homegrown
.
Yeah, I'll tell you what manputin's in.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
We wrap up with a conspiracy theory yeah,
homegrown.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
Yeah, I'll tell you what man Putin's in on it.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Oh, that's good, All right Well thank you for having
us everyone.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Thanks, adam.
Yeah, thanks everybody forlistening and we will catch you
all again next week.
Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of
Left Face.
I am your co-host, dickWilkinson, and I'm joined today
with Adam Gillard.
Hey, dick, how's it going today?
I'm doing great.
This is the Pikes Peak Region'sProgressive Podcast and I'll
just leave it at that.
That's enough T's for today.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
It's too late to play with words.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
I didn't come with any notes.
I've got to start writing thesedown, yeah right.
This is a special episode.
This is Left-Faced After Dark.
We got busy with the otheractivities this week so we're
recording on Saturday evening.
Maybe we'll have a bit oflevity.
In the episode this week westart off with, we get to end
(00:45):
the Kilmar count as far as himbeing out of country and
illegally deported, he's back incountry.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
You told me about it, Adam.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
So how did you find out?
How did you first find out?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
So it was really just the headline caught me off
guard today.
It's what?
84 days ish now, yeah, um, andI saw it and it's, you know, uh,
washington post, you know, ontheir top seven, you know, kill
Mars back.
And then I opened it up and andhe's been arrested.
Yeah, what the hell?
Yeah, so they, they, they,finally they finally followed
(01:22):
the judge, because they wereordered to do this weeks ago.
It was in April, it was the endof April.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yeah, it's been six weeks almost.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah, and we kind of talked about how this was that
Andrew Jackson moment.
Well, they made their decision,or they made their ruling.
Let them enforce it.
To me.
This is the Trumpadministration following the
order just as slowly as possibleUntil they probably got enough
evidence to get this trumped upcharge.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yeah, that was probably.
It was they needed tomanufacture something so that
once he came back, he couldn'tbe a folk hero, basically.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, so they got him on human trafficking and I
don't know what the evidence isand all that.
That's just the charge thatthey read.
But you know, you were tellingme a bit ago about a run-in that
he had with the law back in2019, was it?
I think it was that far back.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yeah, yeah, I saw the video.
I think it was that far backvan.
(02:44):
They didn't have any luggageand he said they were going from
a work site in one state to awork site in another state and
the police conferred outside ofthe vehicle.
But on camera there, with eachother on body cam, they're like
man.
I really think he's haulingpeople.
You know like I don't thinkthese people are just getting a
ride.
You know like I feel like he'sup to some kind of criminal
(03:04):
activity.
Which state was it again.
I think he was in Tennessee iswhere he got pulled over by the
highway patrol or the statetroopers, but there was really
nothing to report that day.
They let him go with all thosepeople.
He had an expired driver'slicense and he didn't even get a
ticket, he just got sent on hisway.
But that was what put the Trumpadministration on a path, or
(03:28):
the DOJ on a path, toinvestigate his overall life
activities as long as he's beenin the United States, basically.
So, yeah, that was the hookthat got him started and I agree
, you're right, the timeline wasprobably how long is it going
to take us to put a casetogether?
So, since we can indict him,and that's what happened.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
So, yeah, yeah, it's gonna be interesting to see what
evidence and witnesses theycome forward with, because you
know they talked with theprevious owner of the van, who's
in prison and he supposedlyrolled on him.
But I mean this guy's alreadyin prison.
He can say what He'll be on thenext list of pardons.
Probably He'll get pardonednext week, probably.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
He'll get pardoned and handed some meme coins on
the way out to prison right.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
I mean like here's your new money.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
You don't know, since you went to prison, man, we got
rid of regular money and now weuse this stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Trump coins.
Here's your card.
I don't think we're that faroff from that.
No it's a few months away, youknow, they've already like
planted the ideas of likegetting him onto you know bills
dollar bill, like the $500 billor something like that.
Like they're trying to get hisface on something.
It's like there's they haverules against all this stuff.
Like like we're not here tomake idols in these.
(04:48):
Like you know, big you know putthem up on a pinnacle.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
We're getting rid of pennies.
I think we should make a threecent coin and it should be the
Donald Trump three cent penny.
It's.
It's useless, because you can'treally pay for anything with it
.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Yeah, that would be.
Everybody would curse it assoon as they got got another
Trump.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
It's like the worst change you can get.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah Well.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
I'm glad that Kilmer's back as far as due
process, we're not surprised.
I don't think that he didn'tcome back to a hero's welcome or
even a quiet.
You know, slip him in the backdoor and he's just back.
Now.
It was uh, you know he cameback to just more, more problems
and and more harassment, butyou know yeah, yeah, it's and
(05:37):
it's.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
I think it's a another distraction from what's
going on in the streets actively.
You know, when you look atwhat's going on in california,
how, uh, crowds are chasing outice and like people are standing
up and actually being effective, stuff like that I think you
know.
Again, the one thing trump isgood at is like marketing and
like controlling the media,controlling the narrative, and
(06:01):
you know, I've been seeing a lotof resistance and a lot of
people standing up and fightingback against these things.
So this might be another one ofthe things we're like hey look,
we brought him back and he is acriminal.
Look at this.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Yeah, you can't fight us on this.
Yeah, we were right all alongRight.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Everybody that we pick up is a criminal, and you
know it.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
just give us enough time and we'll prove it that
it's true his uh littlepsychopath sidekick there, uh
steven miller, I think yeah, isthat miller?
Yes, yeah, he was going on arant about three thousand people
a month or a day or somethinglike, just a number he didn't
really give a shit about tryingto get him off, like pick people
(06:41):
up.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
you, you're saying, yeah, that was his goal, yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yeah, but like, and it's just, he just stuck on a
number and they just wanted toget people.
They picked up a tourist whowas, you know, traveling here
and, like, separated her fromher daughter and arrested the
tourist.
It's like, what the hell areyou guys doing, man?
I believe it.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Man, there's so many people that won't travel here
now because they're just worriedabout something going sideways,
you know, and even if they'refrom totally friendly countries
right, you know germany, youknow uk they're like I'd rather
go somewhere else.
Brazil, I hear brazil is nicethis time of year.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
You know like, oh, and even the uh somewhere else,
those reporters that we talkedto a while ago, you know coming
in from, uh, the netherlands, Ithink it was the netherlands
yeah, um, like, like they werenervous that their visas
wouldn't even get approved.
You know saying that your presscoming into international
journalist yeah yeah.
So, like you know, they hadsome uh, a lot of concerns and
(07:46):
then yet traveling here.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Obviously it's a lot more dangerous here than
anywhere else well, um, let'sswitch gears to people traveling
here, south africans, the uh,the feud between elon musk and
donald trump.
Um, one of the things that Iheard was I wonder if the
special visas for all the SouthAfrican Afrikaner white refugees
(08:10):
, if those will just kind ofvanish soon.
If things fall apart betweenElon and the White House, those
special visas may just disappearin the wind.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Right, I mean, and he is 100, like he being being
trump?
Is 100 that petty to like?
Speaker 1 (08:27):
do stuff like that well he signed an executive
order this this week reinforcingthe old muslim ban from way
back in like 2017 oh, yeah,first one that he ever came up
with.
This was basically the samething.
He just turned it back on andhe just did that.
So yeah for sure he'd be like,hmm, africa, it has africa in
the name you know, yeah, thatwould be enough for him to add
(08:49):
it to the list, you know so yeah, I wonder, uh, because we all
know it was a shady deal tobegin with.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Like, like those, uh, south africaners they weren't
refugees, they weren't, like,named that by the un or anything
like that.
It was just the trumpadministration handing out visas
to folks.
That is probably, like you said, directly related to Musk.
Yeah, it's going to be reallyinteresting to see if that comes
back into play.
(09:16):
But I think the biggest,obviously the biggest one that
Elon tweeted about over the lasttwo days or whatever it's been,
he threw Trump under the busfor days or whatever it's been,
um, he threw Trump under the busfor the Epstein files.
Yes, oh, like, for as much as Ihate the guy, like, thank you
(09:36):
Cause, like, like, it is so goodto hear somebody like an ally,
a close ally of Trump saysomething like that.
You know what I mean.
I mean um, now, granted, heprovided no evidence.
He's never seen the, the fbfhouse, he, he's talking out of
his ass, sure, but like, good,like I, I hope, because he's got
(09:56):
enough of his own crazyfollowers.
Like, like, yeah, I mean,there's enough smoke on on the,
the epstein trump connection,that like I mean, there's
pictures, dude, you can't reallyhave any more, you know yeah,
they're laughing, joking, yeah,like, yeah, it's just well.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
I mean, I'm just thankful that, uh, anybody has
the or believes they have theability to take a run at donald
trump and just get in a fightwith him.
You know what?
I'm saying Like MitchMcConnell's too old to do it.
He's, you know he's got thewherewithal to like want to
fight back in the politicalsense, but he's just kind of
(10:35):
throwing.
He's like the old dudes on theMuppets that are up in the
stands.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
That's what he's doing now, as his lame duck.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
you know term ends out, but you know that's what
he's doing now as his lame duckterm ends out.
But Elon Musk is like youngblood.
He's got, like you say, he'sgot followers.
He's got people that care andlisten to him.
So I'm glad to see anybody withthat kind of sway get into a
fight with Donald Trump, andeven though he's saying stuff
that's not true or maybe ismake-believe as far as some of
the stuff that he's trying tothrow out there, that's right,
(11:02):
right out of donald trump's booktoo.
You know what?
I'm saying he got yeah he's beenfound guilty for doing it.
You know in civil cases.
You know like he's lostmillions and millions of dollars
for doing it, so you know, elonmusk is like hey, here's a
little taste of your ownmedicine.
You're a pedophile, you know,and it's like, guess he had it
(11:23):
coming right, you know, yeah,yeah you're right, because
trump's done that so many timeswhere they notorious.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah, they throw out the headline.
We say actually it was thewhole doge thing.
We always saved, you know, onetrillion dollars.
It's like a hundred million man, but nobody reads that second
headline.
You know where they come backand correct the headlines
exactly and that's how socialmedia fights go too.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
It's just headlines, right like literally character
limited headlines.
That's.
All you can do is shootheadlines at each other yeah,
and so it's made for it's madefor news, you know, because they
can just take them and justrepost them, rebroadcast them
and give it one little piece ofcontext.
So the news was having a heydayon like wednesday when it all
blew up, you know, or thursdaythen it was.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
They were all having fun with that but yeah, on the
uh, the joe roman podcast he uhthere, I think is his assistant
there jamie read one off to himthat actually the pedophile went
off to him uh out, like liveout by the recording so like,
yeah, it was just like firingyeah, now, like we said, you
(12:27):
know no evidence.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Um, it's, it's just the what's the most heinous
thing I can say, and it's prettyhard, you know trump is raised
to that bar because he said somepretty bad stuff himself, you
know right.
So it's pretty hard to say like, look at how bad of a dude he
is, well, we already know that,you know Right.
So it's pretty hard to say,like, look at how bad of a dude
he is, well, we already knowthat, you know.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Yeah, um, another interesting thing about that uh
Rogan podcast.
The guy that he was that was hewas talking with was uh cash
Patel.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Oh, really, yeah On the podcast that day.
On the podcast that day and soand so patel was like I'm not
touching that at all.
He's like, yeah, I have.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
I have lanes and that is not my lane.
Yeah, way to get fired, joe.
Yeah, yeah, it was funny how hejust immediately was like nope,
not even going there.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah, well, do you think?
I mean I believe that it's hardto say it.
I believe Elon Musk is genuinethat's a loaded phrase, but I
believe that he genuinelydoesn't like the big, beautiful
bill, and I think that is thefalling out.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Really, the root of all of it is that there's
genuine disagreement there andthe two dudes are going to part
ways over that well, what's wildabout you know that that bill
also, is that even uh, thenutcase in uh georgia, uh,
taylor green, marjorie taylorgreen, she was like she came out
(14:00):
kind of screaming about itafter she signed up for it.
She's like oh, I didn't read it.
Like what the yeah, that'sliterally what you're getting
paid for man.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Yes, Too late.
You already voted yes.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Yeah, and there was another instance recently where
in the Oval Office they weresigning something and the guy
that was signing it I can'tremember which country he came
from, but during the pressconference trump was like, yeah,
and they just agreed to movetheir uh tel aviv embassy to
jerusalem.
And the guy like was that waswith them, like gave him, like
(14:36):
the deer in the headlights,looking back and through the
paperwork, like like I didn'tsay that, like, but like I think
he coordinated.
I think that they might have tomove their.
It's like austria or hungary orsomething like that.
Wow, yeah well, yeah, peoplejust aren't reading shit and
like they're still trying tolike, trust them and go like
steven, you know whitmer's thing, you know a few months ago
(14:56):
where she went there and theytried to like, you know, uh, get
a photo opportunity with herand she, you know, held the book
up.
Like people should know by now.
Like You're dealing with asnake At every fucking level.
You're dealing with a snake.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Yeah, you just can't be trusted.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Yeah, I'm surprised that the I guess, if you're a
politician, there's some valuein thinking well, everybody else
tried, but let me go try too,right, like maybe I'll be the
one that gets through.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
You know, and so I suppose that was Whitmer's
desire or intention there.
You know it was like I'mwilling to go and I know I've
watched other people walk downthrough this and it reminds me
of the never ending story, theOracle, where he has to run
through there and it shootslasers at him.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Right, he's like.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
I can watch all the people walk through here and get
shot with lasers, right, butmaybe I'll be the one that's
true of heart and I'll make itthrough you know Nobody's ever
true of heart.
Nobody makes it through.
You know, You've got thisatreyu.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yeah only atreyu, and he's not in congress right now
so no, where is he?
Speaker 1 (16:11):
he's at mar-a-lago atreyu, that's the name of the
uh you know groundskeeper downthere uh, what was the uh?
What was the other topic we hadhoped to cover today?
Oh, the colorado springs, uh,local colorado story, boulder
(16:31):
another one yeah, so yeah, we've, we've.
Oh, the Colorado Springs, localColorado story, boulder, another
one.
Yeah, so yeah.
We've mentioned over the pastfew months that Colorado Springs
is catching a lot of bad news,even though the bad things are
happening in other places.
Come to find out.
The community here hasunfortunately produced some
people that have committed somereally bad things, and that
happened again.
Bad things, and uh, thathappened again.
Um, this, the national newsstory that everybody's aware of,
(16:53):
that uh, attacking Boulder.
Um, not, you know thisdemonstration you can't call it
a demonstration.
Every week, these people walkaround this closed off
pedestrian area.
They walk slowly and just carrysigns and wear shirts and um,
they're in support of um, jewishpeople in Israel and the
(17:14):
release of the hostages.
Um, you know from gaza, reallythat's what it's about is the
release of the hostages right,right and um yeah, so this guy
is an it was an egyptiannational, had been in the united
states legally for some amountof time, but but then um had
overstayed his visa, um, but allof that aside, um, he planned
(17:35):
for a year to try and find aplace where he could attack
people that were in support ofIsrael and, you know, zionism, I
guess, as he saw it.
So, um, heinous attack, uh,fire, you know he, he had a
backpack type sprayer that hadfuel in.
It is what people said and thatwhen they said he was using a
(17:56):
flamethrower, he was sprayingpeople like that, right, and
then that thing kind of brokedown, pretty quickly, I guess,
and so and he was catchinghimself on fire, and like I
don't think that was hisintention, you know, and so he
uh took his.
That's why I took his clothesoff, because the backpack had
started catching him on fire.
Um yeah, yeah, and so he wantedto be able to throw more
(18:18):
molotov cocktails at peoplebefore he died.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
I guess if he thought he was gonna die so yeah, I
think that he still had like 14or something like that loaded up
, you know, ready to go.
Yeah, I did see one person kindof of yelling at him and
talking to him and trying to gethim to stop doing what he was
doing.
But that area right there is ano-gun zone.
It's one of the few ones in thestate where no guns concealed
(18:46):
carry or open carry.
So folks were kind of chirpingabout that.
But you know, at the end of theday, the 14 folks that were
injured, uh, I think everybodystill survived.
Um, I'm not sure the extent ofother injuries, yeah, but uh,
yeah, it was a heinous thing.
(19:07):
That could have been a lot, lotworse, yeah, um, but uh, well,
what's frustrating to me is justhow people can justify their
anger with you know what theyfeel is a genocide happening
there, right, yeah, why, why doyou?
(19:29):
How does that get you to driveyou to kill somebody here?
Like where is thatjustification?
And like how do you tie thatback into religion?
And like I just don'tunderstand it at all.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
It just blows my mind yeah, and so the um I did hear
one um comment really, this isabout the only time I heard this
was that this is the evidenceof when terrorist leaders call
for global jihad type movements,this is what they are hoping to
(20:03):
inspire.
Is this type of violence right?
And so people who are alreadyripe for radicalization are the
ones that get set up for theselone wolf type situations?
Right, and so that's that'skind of the path of what happens
.
Is the radicalization materialsare there?
(20:25):
They're.
If you want to find them, it'seasy to find them.
Right.
If you want to find them, it'seasy to find them Right.
Right, and so, yeah, peoplethat you know are politically
motivated or emotionallymotivated by some experience
they had, they feel like they'regetting deported, you know, and
they're like well, it's becauseof the you know Jews or the,
whatever, it's the you knowglobal order that you know they
want to keep people like me, youknow, trapped in dangerous
(20:47):
places or whatever.
It doesn't make sense, you know.
That's that's not what 80 yearold people in Boulder are doing,
you know.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
But um, it's crazy to me just how like deeply
passionate people are, um,connected, when, like, this guy
was Egyptian, so he's there.
But but I have a friend that,uh, she's a Jewish lady and
she's really struggling rightnow with anything Palestine, but
like, like, if you say freePalestine, it really upsets her
(21:16):
and and it's just reallyinteresting to me that, like the
sweetest person in the worldand she's just like Nope, gotta
be gone.
She's a hundred percent Zionistand she's proud of it.
You know, nope, got to be gone.
She's 100% Zionist and she'sproud of it.
You know, it just blows my mindthat people can take religion
(21:37):
and use it to kill people.
I just don't understand that.
It's like every great thingthat man has created, we could
use it for good, like nuclearenergy, but we could power the
world and do everything and keepit clean, and now let's kill
everybody.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Yeah, that's what we're going to do with this.
Well, I made the argument theother day Someone had saw that
there was a someone tried tofire bomb something.
Separate attack, separatesituation.
But the two or three peoplethat got caught and arrested in
the attempt to carry out thisattack, they admitted that they
(22:14):
had used chat, GPT or Gemini orsomething like that to look up
plans on how to make explosivesand understand the like,
explosive velocity of certaintypes of materials so that their
bombs would actually explodeRight and not just catch things
on fire.
And so they said yeah, yeah, weused AI to look this stuff up,
and so the headline was AI helpsdudes make a bomb.
(22:35):
And you know my comment to thatwas no.
Like you know, shared humanknowledge helps dudes make a
bomb right, Like you could have.
Googled this.
The Jolly Roger cookbook hasbeen around for 40 years it
seems like now.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Yeah, the Anarchist cookbook has been around for 40
years.
It seems like you know.
So, yeah, yeah, the anarchistcookbook.
Yeah, there was hardcovercopies floating around.
Like you can get all sorts ofcrazy information out there on,
like the the the bright side ofthe internet.
You go to the dark side.
Like you can get all sorts ofshit Like those they'll deliver
to your house.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Yeah, exactly they'll deliver to your house.
Yeah, exactly.
So there's, uh, you know, don't, don't say, because somebody
used chat gpt to look somethingup, that ai is is turning on.
You know, is the rail?
The rails are off.
You know we can't keep us safe.
Those dudes could have lookedthat up at the freaking library.
Honestly, you know, they wouldjust had to do some math, you
know, to learn about theexplosive velocity of.
(23:29):
You know different materials.
That requires some trigonometryor something, and it's like,
nah, I'll just chat GPT that.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
AI doesn't kill people.
People kill people.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Yeah, people kill people.
I like it.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Maybe that's AI's propaganda, though telling me
that.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Well, I guess what can be done about a community
producing so many differenttypes of problem citizens or
members, because the polaropposites from the guy who blew
(24:14):
up the cyber truck in Las Vegasto the guy who firebbombed
people in boulder.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Um, couldn't be any more different.
You know what I'm saying well.
So like violence, the, theattacks on our like mental
consciousness, it doesn't justhappen to like far-right mega
folks.
You know, sure, um it, bothsides have so much uh like
depletion of just like attentionspan, critical thinking, all
these things from like justmelting our minds over the years
(24:38):
from social media and havingthat constant dopamine drip, so
now, when I'm get upset, I thinkit's the end of the world.
You know, uh, you know ourminds are just different now,
like we have changed as aspecies.
You know our minds are justdifferent now, like we have
changed as a species.
You know, now that we've comeinto this digital age where you
know we're trying to raisechildren off of Miss Rachel, you
know the YouTube videosteaching your kids songs so that
(25:01):
you can sit there and playcandy crush.
Yeah, you know we're.
We've done such a disservice toourselves by leaning so heavily
onto technology.
As I sit here, you know,talking to the phone with my
nice headphones and everything,but yeah, right, um well, I mean
, I don't disagree with that,and yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
So how do you?
How do you come?
Speaker 2 (25:22):
back from that, though you know to come back
from that.
You know I know people reallyenjoyed the and covid really, uh
, got this on the fast trackbecause once a lot of people
went into their homes and couldstill work and still communicate
and still hang out with theirfriends, they're like well shit,
I don't need to be outside then, I don't need to go do this
stuff, and you know I don't needto just sit in quiet and
(25:45):
peacefulness.
You know that we always havesomething hey, we're well armed.
Yeah, I mean like I agreethere's.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
There's a common theme there between the various,
you know, problems that I'msure we've.
That we've experiencedthroughout the community
recently is that, uh yeah,extreme content online and the
uh kind of feedback loop thatyou get from either looking at
other people's content orbelieving you're going to
produce your own in some grandgesture, you know yeah that.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yeah, that's a a factor in all those cases, for
sure one of the best uh tips Igot when I was campaigning last
year.
Uh, he's like be prepared forno.
Like you're gonna say thingsand people like you're gonna
like know that you're right, butsometimes be like no.
Like what do you do then?
And it's just something that,like, a lot of people don't ever
(26:42):
think about because they thinkthat what I have in my head is
right, this is the way that it'sgoing to be, this is the way
that it should be, yeah, and andthey're not ready to accept
your reality no, shared reality.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Yeah and uh, man, I'll tell you you are, you are
not, you're.
You cannot be doing a very goodjob as a politician If you
can't hear the haters, if youdon't know where they're at,
then you're not making very muchnoise, you know you got to know
right where they're at and whatthey're mad about.
That means that they hear you,right if?
(27:20):
If the haters aren't makingnoise, they haven't heard you
yet.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
That's it so yeah, and if you look at, you know
with us about to lose spacecommand and we have a
representative that is vacant,like you don't hear anything
about jeff frank.
Yeah, you know, uh, and nowwe're like I'm confident it's
gonna happen pretty soon, we'regonna lose space command.
And then he's're like I'mconfident it's going to happen
pretty soon, we're going to losespace command.
And then he's going to comeback and say, oh, it's not that
(27:43):
big of a deal, but like, as timegoes on, we're going to keep
losing contracts and contractsare going to move to where the,
the, the four stars are sitting.
Uh, and like a lot of our youand like a lot of these project
managers around here and thingslike that, yeah, you guys either
get to move to Alabama or kickrocks like you're a contractor,
(28:05):
they don't care.
You know, it's not like thegovernment, where the GS
positions, where you get tochoose or have seniority.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Yeah, yeah, no, you're absolutely right.
I've got my son, he's got afriend that's moving away and
it's because his dad is a SpaceForce civilian and the whole
command and headquarter elementthat he's a part of is getting
reassigned out to Cape Canaveralarea in Florida, and so I don't
know how many people that is,but that's a headquarters
(28:32):
element that's moving now.
So I don't I just don't knowhow many people, but it happened
pretty quick.
I know it happened over thepast few months.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
So so something else that uh with just think about
shriever and the election that'sgoing on, the special election
here in colorado springs.
Yeah, it's carmen line, it's alittle flag uh, development like
outside the city limits.
There there's a lewis banningwho owns like pretty much the
east side of Colorado Springs.
(29:00):
They have a chunk of land rightthere, so they don't want to
develop their land becausethey're charging us more for
their land up north.
Right, if they opened up all oftheir land, then they're just
trying to squeeze the market asmuch as they can, right.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
And so these other developers built on the other
side of their land and they'retrying to get the city to pay
for that.
Road infrastructure, sewerinfrastructure and police fire,
all that stuff for anothercommunity that's, you know, not
connected to us at all.
Um, so obviously, like, no,like.
Developers should not beallowed to like use taxpayer
(29:37):
monies to fund theirinfrastructure.
And as soon as they do that,louis Vanning's going to start
selling their stuff, because nowthat the infrastructure's laid
in, they're going to save a tonof money on their next
development.
So, yeah, it's just ridiculous.
How did we even get onto thisone?
(29:57):
Where did I jump from?
Ridiculous, uh, how did we evenget out of this one?
Where did I jump from?
I, I do not know.
You're talking about the localballot initiative but yeah, I
can't remember how I was goingto tie this back into what we
were talking about before, butbut yeah, if you haven't voted
yet, make sure you get yourballot in, uh no one know on the
carmen line okay.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
So yeah, I saw the signs and it said military
friendly, like eco-friendly andwater friendly, or something
like that.
You brought me back.
You brought me back.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Yeah Right, no shit they yeah, military friendly,
water friendly?
Yeah, come on.
Yeah, uh, pfas is a thing.
Yeah, uh, the uh the basecommander out at Schriever
issued a statement that prettymuch said like they don't really
care one way or the other.
They like to be involved indecisions.
But it didn't really make astatement one way or the other,
(30:51):
or he said he encourages thegrowth around that area.
But as somebody that has abackground in uh like satcom and
uh jamming and interference,like the closer that you move a
community to shriever air forcebase where a lot of critical
statcom information is like, youneed three things to jam a
(31:13):
satellite you need the frequency, you need power, you need to be
inside the footprint.
Sure, sure, if you give peoplemore, like Schriever is out in
the middle of nowhere, becauseit's the middle of nowhere and
we can see the sky really well,if we keep moving communities
out there closer, we're movingpotentially bad folks into
footprints that they shouldn'tbe allowed to be in.
(31:35):
Yeah, so like it's just that'show I was coming back.
So, yeah, gotcha, so these likeshort, short-term, you know uh
problem, or I don't want to sayit's a problem, but but they're
trying to like do this littlequick election and it's gonna
have not just like put stressorson our local you know police
(31:57):
fired, you know all these otherservices but like on a national
level, you're gonna put housesat shriever's back door, like
we're gonna.
We're gonna keep surroundingshriever air force base that has
, like so many critical systemsout there.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Um, we're just gonna potentially put bad guys right
at the back door yeah I um, forme, I, I saw, I looked it up, I
looked up what the carmen linewas and I just thought to myself
, hey, like man, you know if I,if I'd like to buy a house if it
was out there now, you know,like if I was going to get the
station out here.
I'd want my house to be closeto the base.
(32:34):
You know, that was all Ithought.
It was just from the activeduty military member mindset of
like yeah, sure, I want thepolice to cover my neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
You know why?
Not you know, but like.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
but there are three hours behind schedule today,
like yeah, well, the the thingthat popped into my head today
was this is the only thing onthis ballot, it's the only topic
and it is a special election inthe middle of the summer.
At the municipal level.
They're going to get like 500votes.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
You know yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
That's it, you know.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Nobody's going to vote on this thing the
developers are going to, youknow, vote on it, and that'll be
half the you know, right there,all the folks down there close
to that community will probablysay, yes, you know, or just
because they'll get more, somemore resources down there.
But yeah, um, because actuallyyou know, I, I take that back.
I was just uh remembered.
(33:27):
I read that the folks that areliving out there right now, they
don't even get a vote in thisbecause they're not.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
So, yeah, they're not in the city.
Yeah, yeah, so, yeah, so yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
They got a hope on the kindness of strangers on
this one.
Yeah, man, if I know anythingabout Colorado Springs, get in
line kick.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Yeah, that's funny.
Well, we'll see how it goes.
When does that happen?
July, that's when that is, orno.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
June 17th.
Oh, okay.
Gotcha, that is or no, june17th, okay, gotcha, I think it's
one of those ballots need to bein.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
So we'll have an answer on that soon.
Yeah, well, maybe that's whereI'll buy my first uh, you know
extra house.
I'll go out there and buy it.
Once they put it inside thecity limits, I'll go get out
yeah, yeah, yeah, then we haveyour nice uh police department.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
I'll take you three hours to get out to you.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Yeah, that's right, I'll call the base.
I'll tell them that there'ssome freaky, weird foreign
people are sneaking around in mybackyard.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Oh God, yeah, You'll get helicopters and everything.
It's crazy because the folks inour town and I've been seeing
it around the nation there'sstill nothing on the 80 plus
members that got disappearedfrom our town.
They're just gone yeah I agree.
Yeah, we don't know what'sgoing on.
Yeah, and more and morecompanies are calling ice on
(34:51):
their, on themselves and thatnice, just go around people up.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
I guess you get to coordinate what day they show up
if you call them yourself,versus if you're going to show
up on their own Right.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Yeah, Pick up the drywallers last.
Well, actually get the painterslast.
Yeah, Okay, electrical you guysare done.
Okay, get the electrical guysout of here, yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
And also, you know it could be a way of only so many
people show up to work that day.
And then you know the, you knowI shows up and leaves and then
you know, next week all the restof the people that actually
work there show up back to work.
You know it's sort of a baitand switch.
Unfortunately, you know they'rethrowing people under the bus,
but we're not talking aboutnecessarily.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
How would it feel to be the one guy that like wasn't
told that plan and you stillshowed up?
You were like, yeah, you showup.
You realize like there's notthat many trucks, you know you
get to work today.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
You're like man, there's not that many cars in
the parking lot, where iseverybody?
You know.
You walk into work and you'relike ah no you know, you guys,
yeah back to el salvador.
You're texting everybody.
You guys didn't tell me youknow before you get arrested.
You're like man it's kind oflike, uh, falling asleep and
(36:11):
getting you know pictures drawnon your forehead with the marker
or something you know.
It's like ah, we didn't tellyou you're getting the board,
dude, you know how terrible isthat.
That's america right now.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Yeah, so her, it's so horrific like I can't remember
I can't remember earlier in ourconversation there was a point
you said something and I wasjust like how, how is this a
reality?
You know, there's somethingabout violence or bombing
something, something somewhereand it's just like how is this
our reality now, where peopleare yeah, this did I mean, it's
(36:47):
not that bad here and people arestill acting like, like we're
in a third world country.
Yeah, you know, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Ridiculous the well.
As we opined about earlier, thepower of the repetitiveness of
messaging is different, right,whereas you watch the news once,
maybe twice a day back when itwas only on TV and you didn't
have it in your hand all thetime.
Right, and even people thatdidn't want to watch the news,
they tune in and watch, like thelocal news, for like half hour
(37:18):
every day, but that was it.
You got to get the, got theweather, processed it, and then
you moved on, right, right, andnow it is a never-ending feed,
and so that repetition of thesame type of message can hit you
from multiple places multipletimes a day.
You know, yeah, and it's alwaysbe afraid, be afraid yeah, of
someone that's not.
You know somebody.
You know somebody that we toldyou is the boo.
(37:39):
Be afraid of someone that's not.
You know somebody.
You know somebody that we toldyou is the boogeyman, or that's
different, or that's whatever.
Right?
So, yeah, that's it and you'reright, that's.
That's.
That's part of that shortcircuiting that you were saying
of everybody being the one edgeand willing to overreact and
feeling like it's the end of theworld's because you're being
told it is.
You know, you know um a lot youknow?
Speaker 2 (38:03):
unfortunately, you're being told it is a lot yeah, so
well.
Well, to all our listenlisteners, it's not the end of
the world it's not yeah we'regonna get through some of this
yeah, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Uh, you know the the I'm curious, the back half after
the midterms, when thewriting's really on the wall and
the gentleman who's in theWhite House this time.
Didn't want to leave last time.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Yeah, because they're going to start talking
primaries and who's going toreplace you and who you're going
to endorse.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
And yeah, it's going to be.
It's going to get really choppy.
I've always had it in my backpocket that war with Russia
would be a way where some sortof War Powers Act of you know
something that we all don't knowabout.
It's written on the back of theConstitution.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
You know right.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Yeah, whatever the Nicolas Cage has to read it for
you.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
you know Trump knows about it and he's going to be
like it's the war powers of 1842, you know, because it wasn't
that some of the justificationthat FDR used to run for a third
term?
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
And that's why we have term limits, right, is that
?
Speaker 1 (39:21):
there's a sitting president, can't?
That would encourage people,unfortunately, to start a war,
to stay in the white house,right, and so I'm just saying
that's a possibility, that's apath.
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, I'm surethey're looking at every
possible path right now and soyou know, keeping ukraine and
(39:41):
and russia warm, but not hot, ispotentially politically
expedient, depending on whatkind of outcome you want to
choose.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
You know yeah, so something I've always kind of
just had kicking around.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
I guess that's the intelligence guy in my in, yeah,
you know, foreign policy I seethrough sort of the intelligence
lens and that's the one thatI'm like we could solve this
problem and we're not, and Idon't know why you know and that
could be why you know oh yeah,something to chew on.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Thanks for that one yay, you know what?
Speaker 1 (40:12):
I think that's a good conspiracy theory that we can
just.
Maybe we end the show on thatright we should.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
We gotta start our own right if we talk about
everybody else's conspiracies,all the time we need to crank
some out every now and then,right yeah, exactly so that
they'll never know we're batshitcrazy if we don't have a
batshit crazy if we don't havesome.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Yeah and you know, I also think that's very fitting
for our first, uh, after darkedition.
Is that we we wrap up with aconspiracy theory yeah homegrown
.
Yeah, I'll tell you what manputin's in.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
We wrap up with a conspiracy theory yeah,
homegrown.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
Yeah, I'll tell you what man Putin's in on it.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Oh, that's good, All right Well thank you for having
us everyone.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Thanks, adam.
Yeah, thanks everybody forlistening and we will catch you
all again next week.
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