April 12, 2025 • 32 mins
The political chess game over Space Command's headquarters has far-reaching consequences beyond simple geography. Trump's push to relocate operations from Colorado Springs to Huntsville, Alabama represents a troubling intersection of political vendettas, military readiness, and the fundamental rights of service members and their families.
When military personnel receive orders to relocate, they often have little choice but to comply, regardless of how the move might impact their rights and wellbeing. For women in uniform and military spouses, being forced to move to states with restrictive abortion laws creates dangerous situations where medical care may be compromised or inaccessible. This fundamental disparity in rights based on duty station assignment raises profound questions about fairness and the true cost of service.
The economic impact extends far beyond military families. Building an entirely new headquarters facility in Alabama would cost taxpayers billions while disrupting established operations—a textbook case of the fraud, waste, and abuse that service members are trained to identify. Meanwhile, Colorado's representative on the House Armed Services Committee remains conspicuously silent while Alabama's representative aggressively promotes the move.
This controversy connects to broader concerns about the administration's governance approach, including the potential invocation of the Insurrection Act against sanctuary cities and immigration enforcement policies that could devastate industries reliant on immigrant labor. When workers fear deportation to El Salvador detention facilities, entire sectors of the economy—from construction to agriculture—face disruption, affecting all Americans regardless of immigration status.
Have you been affected by military relocations that compromised your rights? Are you concerned about how Space Command's potential move might impact your family or business? Share your story with us—we're gathering real experiences to share with lawmakers who can make a difference.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of
Left Face.
I am your co-host, dickWilkinson, and I'm joined this
morning with Adam Gillard Goodmorning Dick.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:09):
doing, doing well For everyone.
This is the podcast forveterans issues in the Pikes
Peak region, where we cover thenational, local and
international news topics with aveteran's lens.
Adam and I are both retired, sowe're technically old guys that
like to complain about things.
So we're going to do that thismorning and I'm going to start
(00:31):
with a local topic that we havementioned on the show a couple
of times.
We've also heard a lot ofpeople kind of poo-poo this idea
away and be like, oh no,there's nothing to it, that's
not going to happen.
But Space Command currently alot of the footprint for all
things US space and specificallymilitary space operations
(00:52):
exists here in Colorado Springs,and there has been political
wrangling over the years sinceTrump first created the Space
Force about where headquartersof the Space Force, the branch
and Space Command, the combatantcommand, where are these things
going to sit.
So for now, colorado Springs isthe seat for a lot of that, but
there's been a contentiouseffort to move that to
(01:16):
Huntsville, alabama.
So we know that Senator TommyTuberville is a friend of Donald
Trump and that there's somewhat feels like some favors on
the line there that you knowTrump has offered him, but
there's also a representative, acongressman, from that same
region and he's on the HouseArmed Services Committee.
His name is Mike Rogers,republican from Alabama, new air
(01:45):
force secretary that, basically, just like donald trump, has
signed all these executiveorders.
You know, the day he gotelected, that the new air force
secretary is going to sit downand have a ceremonious signing
to hand over the space commandto alabama and that this has all
been prescribed and and thatcongressman is locked in.
Yeah, what?
What?
You know there's a lot oflayers to that onion, no kidding
.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Uh, so I believe believe it was Rogers that he
was.
He's been on that committee fora long time because he was on
it when Lamborn was on it and hewould always steamroll Lamborn.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yep, it is.
It's Mike Rogers, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
And now you know, like you mentioned to me earlier
, it's been crickets from crank.
Nothing heard from here andhe's on the same committee.
Yes, nothing I've heard fromhim here and he's on the same
committee.
He is, yes, you know he's onthat committee, so he should be
like he is part of thatconversation.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
There's no excuse to not have the mouthpiece there.
Yeah, yeah, so like we needanswers on that, is he just
standing by and like watchingthe favor?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
happen.
You know he's going to standbehind whoever the new secretary
is and watch him sign itprobably Like absolutely
spineless and not have any.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
you know apologies or you know no.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
He'll say you know it's for the betterment of
something.
A healthy Space Force is ahealthy America.
That's it.
Yeah, get in line, lick theboot, you know yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
And you know, cost of living is cheaper in Alabama.
So if some of my constituentsmove to Alabama, I guess we'll
see them later.
Right, that's his mindset right?
Oh, that's his mindset right.
He's like oh well, goodriddance.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
And then when you look at the larger picture and
some of the fights that we'vehad in the last couple of years
about, we start moving morewomen into Alabama where they
have stricter abortion laws, ohsure, and if they need to use
funds to travel outside, theycan't.
You know, that's Tuberville'sbig thing.
There is the not allowing thatNot allowing funds to be used or
(03:24):
things like that, so like we'reendangering women's lives just
by having the most progressivebranch.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Both service members and spouses that feel like
they're compelled to be assignedthere.
Right, what are they going todo about it?
Right?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Yeah, yeah.
So now they have to go livesomewhere that they may not
align with and their rights havebeen stripped away.
So that's a huge, huge issuefor a lot of folks that serve.
You know, like are we going tolose a lot of our good folks
that are serving because theywant to stay safe, and I would
not blame them, you know.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Yeah, and you know I think that's something that when
I was serving there wasn't.
At the time there was not asmuch of a push.
There was more interest infederal statutes being the law
of the land and broadapplicability across all 50
states.
That's no longer the case asfar as Donald Trump and the new
(04:18):
Republican regime in general.
The whole party is all aboutstates' rights and pushing
things back down to the statelevel, especially these social
hot button issues.
They see a fantasy wherecertain states become super
ultra, like utopia forconservatives, right, and that's
what they're talking about hereis creating these types of
little pockets where there'sthese conservative utopias.
(04:40):
My general statement to that isI as a citizen, I like states
rights, I like competition incertain ways, even in social
ways, from state to state, like.
I kind of like those things.
But there is a whole populationof people that you know the
military being one example, butI'm sure there are other
industries or other exampleswhere you basically are
(05:02):
compelled and your, your rightto choose where you're going to
live, to be able to make aliving is is taken away from you
.
In some of these situations Iusually would say an average
citizen, if you don't like it.
Find a job somewhere else, moveyour family, you know like find
the environment where you dowant to live You'll still be an
American citizen, but cross theborder and live to in another
state, you know.
But there's a couple millionpeople that don't have that
(05:25):
choice and so it brings thestakes around each state not
being dressed right dress andnot having the same level set of
baseline of rights andregulations.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
There's harm there that I did never real.
I never realized that, I nevereven thought about it when I was
in the military.
Well cause, I mean, we spent solong fighting for these rights,
we had these rights locked downand now they're just being
stripped away and taken away Inpockets right.
Yeah, we thought that we hadwomen's rights locked down.
We had civil rights like votingrights.
We thought that was I agree.
Yeah and they just keeprepealing it.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
What do you mean?
Change the right to vote, right, yeah, so now we have to go
back and like re-talk about thisshit, like come on man like
that's true, and and sometimeswe're fighting our grandfather's
fights, you know.
I mean, he's like how's this notsettled business?
You know, like this was done acouple generations ago, yeah,
and that I guess that's part ofthe catch is, yeah, that was a
couple of generations ago.
Like we're, we're the new,we're the new team in town and
(06:20):
this is what should have alwaysbeen happening.
Right, that's the mentalitythere.
But it's just such a strangesituation to set up where
someone who's serving theircountry can be put in a
situation where they might bepersecuted and they would have
avoided that in any othercircumstance and now they're
just there dealing with it,right.
So the impact of that not evenjust around sexual reproduction
(06:40):
rights or any of those things,but there's many different
layers that just keep kind ofgetting laid into that mindset
hard for recruitment, right.
That can't be a good thing forrecruitment If it's like, oh,
you might get you know thebiggest base that does your job.
You want to join the military,you know what job you want to do
.
A lot of times you're going toend up at a certain base, like
for me, fort Meade, maryland.
Basically guaranteed you'regoing to do a tour there at some
(07:01):
point.
You know if I was in thatsituation where I was a young
person and I was like, wait aminute, they do crazy stuff out
there, man, like I don't think Iever want to live in whatever
state fill in the blank, rightthat could easily deter a young
person who's not like totallyset on joining the military.
They go wait, wait, you cansend me to one of these places.
(07:22):
I don't want to go there.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Well, and the school systems you know, like outside
of Huntsville, like the schoolsystems aren't great Sure.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
You know Alabama is not high on the list of, you
know, child welfare outcomes.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
So now if I have my kids in schools here and they're
like well, you got to move overthere.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know step backwards for a lot
of families on that.
Yeah, so you're right.
The level of you know qualityof life has always been
different from one place toanother, but it's becoming more
drastic.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah, yeah.
And then just the wholeoperational like moving it there
you're signing off on aheadquarters.
It's probably going to cost abillion dollars just for the
headquarters, sure, and then allthe extra ancillary stuff that
goes around it and things likethat.
And yeah, being operational outhere already it makes no sense.
(08:09):
It's just for all the moneythat we're trying to save.
It's a big paycheck for nothing.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
It's a waste.
Yeah, I agree, and it's got tobe, man.
Classic case of if it ain'tbroke, don't fix it.
What's wrong with where it's at?
Speaker 2 (08:24):
It's like what we look for when we were trained
about fraud, waste and abuse.
Like this is it?
Yes, this would be an example.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Yes, you're right.
If you're teaching a young, youknow E5 how to spot fraud,
waste and abuse.
This is it.
Yeah, this would be the casestudy.
You know, perfectly fineoperation that's less than five
years old.
You know everything's goingfine, no problems.
Hey, I got an idea, you know.
Let's stop doing it, let's move, let's upset everything for
about two years and then we'llsee how we're going three or
(08:54):
four years from now.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Check back in with me .
Well, it all kind of stems fromColorado.
Just not voting for him in 2016.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Oh yeah, and you know so it's just petty BS.
The attempt for Colorado tokeep him off the ballot, and
them being the first state.
There's also that too that isthe more recent stick in the eye
for him.
And man, if I mean, he cannotstand most of what goes on out
here as far as, like, thegovernor and the house you know
this, the state levellegislature typetype movements
(09:23):
he just thinks this place is ascrazy as California in his mind.
As far as, like, oh, those arethe supermost ultra-liberal
people.
So, yeah, he'll take a chanceto kick some dust in our faces
every chance he gets.
And I mean proof of thatyesterday slight tangent, but
related to the behaviorChristopher Krebs, the old
information security director.
(09:44):
So what a criticalinfrastructure security agency
CISA.
They were in charge of theelection security back when
Donald Trump in 2020, this manwas hired by Donald Trump to
lead this organization and thenhe testified and said the 2020
election was the most secure andbest run election we'd ever had
, right?
Well, of course, that's theantithesis of what Donald Trump
(10:05):
exists to say now, right.
And so yesterday Donald Trumpsigned an executive order going
after that man in particular andand saying we are going to
investigate his testimony fromback in 2020, when he said that
I lost and we're coming at,we're coming to get you.
That's yesterday, when he saidthat I lost and we're coming to
get you.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
That's horrifying.
Yesterday, that's absolutelyhorrifying.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
And so he's willing to pick up those old grievances,
right?
So there's no doubt that he'llfind plenty of grievances to
kick our way in Colorado,because we're the first state to
try and put him off the ballot,right?
So he's like I have a bone topick with you, yeah, and we have
not settled it yet, right?
And I'll pick up afive-year-old grievance now that
I have the power of the pen andI will abuse you with it.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
I will.
So he's going to try and forcethis guy to admit to perjury, or
something.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
They're going to fabricate perjury charges
against him is what I seehappening right now they're not
even going to talk to this guy.
He already did his testimony.
They're just going to go backfact find, write some kind of
document and say this dude iscommitting treason basically.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
So I mean, this kind of takes me to what I wanted to
talk about a little bit today.
You know, when Trump wasinaugurated, you know he set
forth Christie, noam and Hegseth, you know, to kind of figure
out what's going on with theborders, the border crises?
Sure, because Canada's bordercrisis is now a real thing too.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Sure Maple shipments.
Fentanyl-laced maple shipmentsyeah.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
So he gives them 90 days from his inauguration and
that day lands on 420 this year.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Well, I guess it would be 90 days after yeah, I
didn't realize, yeah, I do kindof like that I want now I want
420 to take on a differentelement to it.
I want it to be I don't knowwhat, instead of the first 100
days of office?
Yeah, the first 90 days, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
But so it happens on 420 this year and a lot of folks
are kind of starting to talkabout the Insurrection Act and
that's where the president canauthorize the use of military
forces on American civilians andso in a scenario where somebody
is protecting somebody who'shere illegally, they could be
(12:23):
charged, deported off to ElSalvador, one step closer to
martial law and theauthoritarianism that I hear
when you tell me about that guy.
The vendetta from five yearsago, yeah, like in trying to get
somebody to for perjury, that'sthe things that you know.
(12:43):
Saddam Hussein's cleansing whenhe took over, sure, yeah, where
it's just like you stand up,you go get executed.
Yeah, like that's like we'regoose-stepping down that barrier
.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
We're staring at it.
Yeah, right there.
Yeah, I agree that the concernthere, as far as you know, not
just the old grievances andeverything but this insurrection
act thing and everything butthis insurrection, insurrection
act thing I've seen in the newsa lot lately about sanctuary
cities and sanctuary policies ofcities and states where they
won't interact with iceno-transcript, and I've never
(13:17):
been a fan of that from its like, at face value, especially, I
don't know, 10 years ago when itbecame politically popular for
a mayor to declare that theywere a sanctuary city.
It was a trend, it was anobvious political trend that
wasn't really rooted in what Isaw as thoughtful solutions.
Yeah, as you can imagine, thepresident who wants to deport
(13:41):
everyone, um, doesn't likesanctuary cities, and so I could
see the insurrection act beingsomething, uh, where you know
the national guard couldpotentially you know usually we
say martial, martial law typethings, right Um, that that
would be where I think I seesanctuary cities or places that
have, um, immigration friendlypolicies, being the first places
(14:02):
that get any kind of influence,like push, saying, hey, stop
doing this or we're going toarrest your mayor, we're going
to arrest your police chief,like people that are telling
this, saying this policy needsto be an act, we're going to get
them for treason right.
We're going to say, if you areenforcing this policy, allowing
immigrants to be in your city,that's treason.
(14:22):
I don't see.
I mean, there's almost no legalboundary between here and there
If they really do invoke theInsurrection Act.
There's no, there's no, there'sno brick wall in between saying
that out loud I invoke theInsurrection Act and then
arresting all those mayors.
There's nothing, you know.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
I mean, like the dominoes touch each other you
know, yeah, and it's reallyuncharted waters that I mean.
We've been kind of screamingabout it for a bit here, but
he's still pushing it as far ashe can go.
We're not going to talk aboutthe terrorists.
But he did it with that shitwhere he talks about it and then
he pulls back.
Going to talk about theterrorists.
(14:59):
But he did it with that shitwhere you know he talks about it
and then he pulls back.
You know, and like how much ofthis you know juvenile tactics.
Is the world going to?
Speaker 1 (15:07):
tolerate.
It's your teen.
I have a teenager.
I have had many teenagers atthis point now in my, in my life
.
I have four kids and you know,even but little kids do it.
Teenagers just do it anygrander fashion.
Yeah, they push theirboundaries right.
They try and find what's thelimit, what can I get away with,
right, what's what's reallygoing to cause a consequence
that I don't want to deal with?
And then how do I get rightback to the just this side of
(15:30):
whatever that is right, you know.
Oh, if I'm 10 minutes late forcurfew, I don't mind being 10
minutes late.
That's up to me, like I've givenmyself allowance to do that
right.
Well, that's how he is doing.
A lot of this policy movementis sort of how hard can I push
it?
And then, if something bites me, I'll step back just a little
(15:51):
bit and then I'll come back injust a day or two and push even
harder and see if it bites meagain.
You know, and it's that testingright?
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Well, I mean, he's been.
He's never been heldaccountable for anything.
Well, that's true.
So, like you, look at thecourts, all of his personal
cases and things like that, Imean he's still the president.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
There's no accountability.
There's been no consequence forany of that stuff.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
You know multiple felons, but you know where do
you when he starts pushing andkeep coming back like how do we
get him to?
I don't know.
I don't know what the questionis.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
There I'm just so confused by the whole situation
right now.
There you go, there you go,that's it.
That's as we always sayconfusion is the goal, right,
yeah, you start to get lost inthese mental rabbit holes of
like what?
Exactly because you're.
I think the problem that we,that any regular average citizen
, regardless of, like, partisanaffiliation, the problem that we
(16:46):
have is that we're trying ourbest to understand what is the
strategy, what's the next step,what do we think would be the
obvious next thing?
And then we'll feel better ifthe obvious next thing actually
happens, right, and so that'swhy we're all guessing on his
strategy of like when, how longwill the terrorists last or not?
Laughs, will he actually arrest5 million immigrants or not?
(17:07):
Right, like we're, we'rewaiting to see what we think the
next outcome would be.
And he blows it up so far outof what we could expect the next
step to be that we never.
We get less stable and lessstable.
Every time we think we get ourheads wrapped around like what's
going on, it gets blown upagain.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Because still on immigration, but I think it's
been forgotten in the last dayis that the Supreme Court put a
stay or is not making him bringback that guy that got sent to
prison for nothing?
Yeah, like the Supreme Courtlike stopped them bringing him
back, like and it just has akind of a stay, but they haven't
(17:45):
said anything about it.
They haven't, they didn't sayshit about it.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Yesterday they said we need more time to consider
this right.
Why, yeah, the administrationalready said this guy is not
didn't do anything wrong.
This was an administrativeerror.
That's their own words.
Right, administrative?
error that's their own wordsThen you need to
administratively bring him back,right, and and nevermind that
the the argument that they havefor this one individual is well,
(18:09):
he was always here, technically, illegally, right, all right,
and if that's the standard ofjustice that we're carrying out
and you want to say that, like,establish it and say it, right.
But if you but they don't, theygo.
Well, he was with gang members,okay, that's not a reason to
arrest anybody, right?
Well, he has a tattoo thatlooks like a gang tattoo.
(18:31):
Okay, that's not a reason to.
(18:54):
That's not a crime, that's acoincidence, not a crime, right?
I?
I mean, the first lady was hereillegally with pedophiles.
So I do agree that knowinglycrossing a border and entering
someplace that requires somekind of documentation.
You know you're doing somethingwrong, right, or that you could
have a consequence for that.
(19:15):
But the idea that a judge hadsaid that one individual has
proven that, even though he cameinto the country illegally, is
not a threat to anybody and hasalready had that hearing and has
had annual updates since thathearing to say you're still
allowed to stay here, and thenthe administration says that it
was an administrative error,there's, it's an open and shut
case, right, there's nothingelse to consider If the
prosecutors themselves say ohyeah, wrong guy.
(19:38):
The judge doesn't keep the caseopen.
The judge lets that guy go andhe says go find the right guy.
That's it.
Immediate release.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Right, but the Supreme court just sits and
waits for the check to cash andit's crazy man.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
And then the also the legal, this, this.
You know international law,it's all squishy.
We've got all these treatiesand stuff, but if we want to go
get some, if we sent somebodysomewhere and then we wanted to
retrieve them, there are tendifferent ways to legally do
that and there's about fivedifferent ways to do it extra
legally.
And so the excuse of well, wegave them to El Salvador, so
(20:16):
like we just have absolutely nolegal authority ever again over
this person's destiny, BS.
The stupidest legal, the lowestbar of a legal argument.
I feel like that was the litmustest to see if the judge was
even reading the paperwork.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
You know what I'm saying?
Right, and then back to theInsurrection Act.
If he can start deporting,because he has already told
reporters that he'd like theidea of sending american
citizens to these prisons also,sure, um?
Speaker 1 (20:42):
as a deterrence method, right like to scare the
shit out.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Well, he says like, oh, if they're the worst of the
worst, if they're the bad of thebad, you know let's, you know,
send them down there and letthem deal with.
Let them deal with them at acheaper cost yeah type of thing.
Um, but like, with thisinsurrection act like like you
think they're gonna have a realgood quality control on who
they're sending down there?
no, no, no they're gonna berounding people up and it's
gonna be a gross abuse of powerthat I mean grosser than what it
(21:06):
already is it's already prettybad.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yeah, and you know, what's crazy to me is um
extradition.
Let's talk about extraditionand how.
But you know, a criminal doesget moved from one country to
another based on a legal request, right?
So so many countries will and Imean, I'm not, I don't really
ascribe to this, but they'reultra liberal countries that
will not send a prisoner out forextradition to any place.
(21:29):
That's even slightly moreconservative than them, because
they say, oh, you're not goingto treat them fairly, right, and
so their standard of fairnessin whatever country says, hey,
this is how we treat prisonersand this is how we do our
judicial system.
And if your country is not, youknow, not in parity with this,
we'll never send you a criminalsuspect, right, we just won't
(21:51):
because we think that you'llpolitically prosecute them or
you'll abuse them, torture them,whatever.
That's usually the case is likewe're not going to send people
down to prison in Egypt becausewe're pretty sure you're just
going to torture them to deathright.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
It's a human rights violation.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
There are countries that won't send people to the
United States because of theirconcern about our prison system
and our legal system and dueprocess.
That's one.
A big one usually is that if wesend him to America, you're not
going to have a trial for likethree years, right, Like you've.
He's already been here for fiveyears, your prosecutors have
already been mounting evidencefor years, but it's still going
(22:25):
to take three years before thetrial even happens.
No, like, that's just not.
Just we're not going to putsomebody in jail for three years
If they could be proveninnocent at the end, we're not
going to send them to you, right, and so even at the level of
what we consider human rightscompliant I guess you could say
prison system here in Americawe're still too regressive for
(22:47):
some other countries to sendpeople here.
Now our policy, as Donald Trumpsees it, is we're too nice to
prisoners.
We need to send them to anothercountry that doesn't have the
human rights laws that we haveso they can get abused.
Right, Because I want prisonersto get abused, and instead of
just abusing people here inAmerica, I want to send them
somewhere else to get themabused.
Right, Because it's cheaper toabuse them somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Well, and just did that overall message of keep
your mouth shut and stay working.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah, stay in line, or you're going to El Salvador.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's the street.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Chris Krebs from the CISA is going down.
Once they find him guilty ofperjury, he's going to get his
head shaved, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
I hate drawing easy lines to 1984, but this is
straight up out of thedoublespeak, changing what
people said and things like that.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Yeah Well and Christy Noem when she goes down.
She apparently has like amonthly visit down at that
prison.
Now Right, where's, I don'tknow, hanging out with the
warrant.
We're warden, yeah, and so.
And look look at this, you know, and they're making again
making more of those TVcommercials that I was talking
about.
She and her thing was you willcome here, right, and that was
the the.
I think that was the statementof baselining that threat to say
(24:07):
it doesn't matter why you cometo America, if you're a criminal
or not, we don't care, right,if you're a farm laborer that
crosses the border and you goback and forth seasonally and we
find you picking fruit andyou're not supposed to be here,
we're sending you to El Salvador, right, just like a hardened
gang member, right, like that'sthe threat.
That's what she said Do notcome to America or you will get
shipped to here.
(24:28):
And trying to make it that veryclear threat of you know,
self-deportation even, right,that's another one that people
are talking about a lot now thatpeople are so afraid to go to
work because they're afraidthey'll get picked up at their
job by ICE.
Ice is about to start doingworkplace enforcement, right,
and so if ICE starts rolling upvans on all the construction
sites around America, it's goingto take about a month before
(24:50):
most of those people stop goingto work, find some other job or
just go back, leave America.
I understand that's theintention of the policy, but
that's not going to be realisticor sustainable.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Right.
It just kills all growth andall jobs for everybody else too,
because a lot of these fordoing unskilled labor.
It's pretty damn skilled.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
It takes a lot of work to be quick and good at
anything.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Get efficient and good at it, yeah, so our economy
.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
There's been so many studies on the trillions of
dollars that immigrants-.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Based off of that type of labor?
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Yeah, provide to our economy and that's all just
going to disappear and we don'thave the people that are going
to go out there and do thesethings.
No, and when you talk about theconstruction sites and things
like that, so now all the growthfor big businesses and things
like that, the sprawl that thecity wants, it's just going to
grind to a halt or becomeexponentially more expensive to
(25:53):
execute.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
And so a project, now that you're going to get by
with paying a lot of your labor,just right above minimum wage.
If you add a couple dollars youknow an hour to that to try and
recruit other type of workers,you know your cost goes up 20%
on that project, right, yeah.
And you know you're alreadyleveraging, you're maxing out
whatever you can to try andbuild.
You know you're going to get$20 million investment to build
(26:15):
this building.
And then all of a suddensomebody goes well, it's
actually gonna be 27.
You're like well, we're halfwaythrough, you know.
And they're like go find sevenmore million dollars, you know?
Or?
we're going to leave half thebuilding built, you know.
So, yeah, and that's, that's areality.
That's only a few weeks away atthe most.
You know where, where thatimpact on the labor force of all
kinds of different industriesis coming through?
(26:35):
Um is coming through.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
One of the tariffs that he left out was with China,
though.
Yes, you get a lot of, you knownet like resources and things
like that from them, still solike a lot of those increases.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Supply chain costs yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Like those are still going up.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Like they're our biggest thing, Like I think
everything else was adistraction.
To keep that on China?
Yeah, Because nobody saidanything about China keeping
their, or we kept our 150%,whatever it is on them now
that's going to kill us.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Until tomorrow when he removes it.
Right the thing, if we stickwith the labor piece of it.
I saw a Trump admin official Ican't remember who it was
because they're all blendingtogether at this point the
stupidity of what they're saying.
Most of the time I can't payattention right?
So he said, okay, we're goingto reshore manufacturing and
(27:27):
we're going to have all thesegreat jobs, and so what we all
assume is that that meansthere's going to be a lot of
humans touching products insidethese facilities, right, but we
also know that that's not reallythe case anymore.
There's a lot of automation, alot of robotics, a lot of
mechanical systems that buildall this stuff.
So the guy admitted.
He said, oh yeah, we're goingto fleece China for all these
(27:48):
jobs.
We're going to rehomeeverything back to America.
We're going to have robotsbuilding products and we're
going to have Americansmaintaining the robots.
Okay, you understand what youjust described.
There is, instead of therebeing 10 jobs to do the work,
there's going to be one job todo the work of 10 people, or
even more watered and diluteddown, it could be 1 to 50, yeah,
(28:09):
if, if you know, depending onthe type of work, right, and so
you're saying instead, we'regoing to have one moderate
paying job to maintain thisequipment instead of 50 just
slightly less paying jobs thatare really putting money into
the local economy.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Right?
Well, it's the same thing whenthey're talking about building
the Keystone pipeline.
You know, make you knowthousands and thousands of jobs,
but once it's built it's like50.
Yes, to maintain the wholething.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Same thing down in.
They would do that down in NewMexico.
Facebook would, uh, wasbuilding all these data centers
and warehouses and like there'scheap, cheap power in certain
parts out there.
So they were just loading ininfrastructure down in New
Mexico, right and acreage, Imean you can get a hundred acres
for like 20 bucks, right.
And so Facebook took advantageof that.
And same thing headlines andyou know it's.
It's kind of sad in a loweconomy state because you see
(28:55):
politicians and even otherpeople get really excited about
those kind of headlines andthey're like oh man, the amazon
factory or the facebook facilityis going to build, you know
it's going to have the samething 500 jobs but it's only for
the construction, right.
The facebook data center samething.
It takes 10 people, includingall the shift workers, to keep
that thing humming like that'sit right, you know it takes 500
(29:18):
people to build it for two yearsand then 10 people for the ever
after.
That, you know.
So it's an illusion, right,it's an illusion, and that's
that's frustrating to see that,and that's the same thing with
all the messaging that we'regetting right now.
Is this illusion that if wereshore everything, the system
will reset itself, that parts ofthe equation will just move
around across one side to theother of the equal sign and
(29:39):
it'll all rebalance right, andthat's absolutely.
Nobody knows if that could evenhappen much less that there's a
strategy to make it happen.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
That's what's upsetting is there's no strategy
to deliver that no, there's nolike natural equilibrium to the
chaos that humans bring to theuniverse no no, like there's
always somebody with their footon the scale that's tilting all
the resources to them.
Yes, and you know, right nowyou know, we have billionaires
that are just raking in cash,and I mean they lost $200
(30:07):
billion or whatever in the lastweek.
Well, trillions.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Yeah, went away from the stock market.
Yeah, right, right.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
You know, like their lives haven't changed at all,
People who worked every day fortheir lives and for their 401ks
and can't retire now their livesare destroyed.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Those people are severely impacted.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah, if you have to work for three more years when
you're already 67, it's a bigdeal.
Come on, it's just gross how,when we saw Trump make a
statement yesterday about, oh,it's a good time to buy, then
all this trading happened and soa lot of people made a lot of
money off of him saying that andthen pausing the tariffs.
(30:43):
Yeah, so these things that arehappening that are just killing
our working class, whilemillionaires, billionaires, that
top 1% is just raking it in,they're buying the dips because
their guy is working the dipsright now.
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Yeah, that is true.
If you get a telegram that saysthe dip is coming, a signal,
excuse me, you get a signal,message that says buy now.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
That's how we do business now, buy now.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Well, I don't know where we're at on time, but
we've covered our topics.
I think that for us, we will goout and buy the dips if we can.
Yeah, start listening closer towhat he says, start listening.
But if you're here locally andif you think you're going to be
impacted by the movement ofSpace Command or any of the
other military headquarterreassignment whether you're a
family member or you knowbusiness owner, and you see this
(31:36):
having some kind of impact onyou, reach out to us, we.
You know business owner and yousee this having some kind of
impact on you, reach out to us.
We'd like to hear how, if spacecommand or any of the military
footprint here in ColoradoSprings went away, if you can
see a direct impact, we'd liketo know more about it.
We know what we see and we knowwhat we're going to experience,
but we want to hear from thecommunity.
How are these things going tomatter?
Because when we get the chanceto talk to people like Senator
Hickenlooper or Senator Bennett,then we want to be able to say,
(31:57):
hey, this is the real impact,right, and we want to speak on
your behalf if we get thatchance.
So please let us know and maybewe'll have you on the show if
you've got something to talkabout.
So we'll remind everybody.
We do have social media.
Blue Sky is our primary andthen, of course, you can always
send Adam an email.
Our email is in our websitehere when you load up the
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(32:19):
touch with us.
We'd love to have some guestson the show Right on.
All right, we'll catch you nextweek.
Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of
Left Face.
I am your co-host, dickWilkinson, and I'm joined this
morning with Adam Gillard Goodmorning Dick.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:09):
doing, doing well For everyone.
This is the podcast forveterans issues in the Pikes
Peak region, where we cover thenational, local and
international news topics with aveteran's lens.
Adam and I are both retired, sowe're technically old guys that
like to complain about things.
So we're going to do that thismorning and I'm going to start
(00:31):
with a local topic that we havementioned on the show a couple
of times.
We've also heard a lot ofpeople kind of poo-poo this idea
away and be like, oh no,there's nothing to it, that's
not going to happen.
But Space Command currently alot of the footprint for all
things US space and specificallymilitary space operations
(00:52):
exists here in Colorado Springs,and there has been political
wrangling over the years sinceTrump first created the Space
Force about where headquartersof the Space Force, the branch
and Space Command, the combatantcommand, where are these things
going to sit.
So for now, colorado Springs isthe seat for a lot of that, but
there's been a contentiouseffort to move that to
(01:16):
Huntsville, alabama.
So we know that Senator TommyTuberville is a friend of Donald
Trump and that there's somewhat feels like some favors on
the line there that you knowTrump has offered him, but
there's also a representative, acongressman, from that same
region and he's on the HouseArmed Services Committee.
His name is Mike Rogers,republican from Alabama, new air
(01:45):
force secretary that, basically, just like donald trump, has
signed all these executiveorders.
You know, the day he gotelected, that the new air force
secretary is going to sit downand have a ceremonious signing
to hand over the space commandto alabama and that this has all
been prescribed and and thatcongressman is locked in.
Yeah, what?
What?
You know there's a lot oflayers to that onion, no kidding
.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Uh, so I believe believe it was Rogers that he
was.
He's been on that committee fora long time because he was on
it when Lamborn was on it and hewould always steamroll Lamborn.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yep, it is.
It's Mike Rogers, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
And now you know, like you mentioned to me earlier
, it's been crickets from crank.
Nothing heard from here andhe's on the same committee.
Yes, nothing I've heard fromhim here and he's on the same
committee.
He is, yes, you know he's onthat committee, so he should be
like he is part of thatconversation.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
There's no excuse to not have the mouthpiece there.
Yeah, yeah, so like we needanswers on that, is he just
standing by and like watchingthe favor?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
happen.
You know he's going to standbehind whoever the new secretary
is and watch him sign itprobably Like absolutely
spineless and not have any.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
you know apologies or you know no.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
He'll say you know it's for the betterment of
something.
A healthy Space Force is ahealthy America.
That's it.
Yeah, get in line, lick theboot, you know yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
And you know, cost of living is cheaper in Alabama.
So if some of my constituentsmove to Alabama, I guess we'll
see them later.
Right, that's his mindset right?
Oh, that's his mindset right.
He's like oh well, goodriddance.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
And then when you look at the larger picture and
some of the fights that we'vehad in the last couple of years
about, we start moving morewomen into Alabama where they
have stricter abortion laws, ohsure, and if they need to use
funds to travel outside, theycan't.
You know, that's Tuberville'sbig thing.
There is the not allowing thatNot allowing funds to be used or
(03:24):
things like that, so like we'reendangering women's lives just
by having the most progressivebranch.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Both service members and spouses that feel like
they're compelled to be assignedthere.
Right, what are they going todo about it?
Right?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Yeah, yeah.
So now they have to go livesomewhere that they may not
align with and their rights havebeen stripped away.
So that's a huge, huge issuefor a lot of folks that serve.
You know, like are we going tolose a lot of our good folks
that are serving because theywant to stay safe, and I would
not blame them, you know.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Yeah, and you know I think that's something that when
I was serving there wasn't.
At the time there was not asmuch of a push.
There was more interest infederal statutes being the law
of the land and broadapplicability across all 50
states.
That's no longer the case asfar as Donald Trump and the new
(04:18):
Republican regime in general.
The whole party is all aboutstates' rights and pushing
things back down to the statelevel, especially these social
hot button issues.
They see a fantasy wherecertain states become super
ultra, like utopia forconservatives, right, and that's
what they're talking about hereis creating these types of
little pockets where there'sthese conservative utopias.
(04:40):
My general statement to that isI as a citizen, I like states
rights, I like competition incertain ways, even in social
ways, from state to state, like.
I kind of like those things.
But there is a whole populationof people that you know the
military being one example, butI'm sure there are other
industries or other exampleswhere you basically are
(05:02):
compelled and your, your rightto choose where you're going to
live, to be able to make aliving is is taken away from you
.
In some of these situations Iusually would say an average
citizen, if you don't like it.
Find a job somewhere else, moveyour family, you know like find
the environment where you dowant to live You'll still be an
American citizen, but cross theborder and live to in another
state, you know.
But there's a couple millionpeople that don't have that
(05:25):
choice and so it brings thestakes around each state not
being dressed right dress andnot having the same level set of
baseline of rights andregulations.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
There's harm there that I did never real.
I never realized that, I nevereven thought about it when I was
in the military.
Well cause, I mean, we spent solong fighting for these rights,
we had these rights locked downand now they're just being
stripped away and taken away Inpockets right.
Yeah, we thought that we hadwomen's rights locked down.
We had civil rights like votingrights.
We thought that was I agree.
Yeah and they just keeprepealing it.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
What do you mean?
Change the right to vote, right, yeah, so now we have to go
back and like re-talk about thisshit, like come on man like
that's true, and and sometimeswe're fighting our grandfather's
fights, you know.
I mean, he's like how's this notsettled business?
You know, like this was done acouple generations ago, yeah,
and that I guess that's part ofthe catch is, yeah, that was a
couple of generations ago.
Like we're, we're the new,we're the new team in town and
(06:20):
this is what should have alwaysbeen happening.
Right, that's the mentalitythere.
But it's just such a strangesituation to set up where
someone who's serving theircountry can be put in a
situation where they might bepersecuted and they would have
avoided that in any othercircumstance and now they're
just there dealing with it,right.
So the impact of that not evenjust around sexual reproduction
(06:40):
rights or any of those things,but there's many different
layers that just keep kind ofgetting laid into that mindset
hard for recruitment, right.
That can't be a good thing forrecruitment If it's like, oh,
you might get you know thebiggest base that does your job.
You want to join the military,you know what job you want to do
.
A lot of times you're going toend up at a certain base, like
for me, fort Meade, maryland.
Basically guaranteed you'regoing to do a tour there at some
(07:01):
point.
You know if I was in thatsituation where I was a young
person and I was like, wait aminute, they do crazy stuff out
there, man, like I don't think Iever want to live in whatever
state fill in the blank, rightthat could easily deter a young
person who's not like totallyset on joining the military.
They go wait, wait, you cansend me to one of these places.
(07:22):
I don't want to go there.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Well, and the school systems you know, like outside
of Huntsville, like the schoolsystems aren't great Sure.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
You know Alabama is not high on the list of, you
know, child welfare outcomes.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
So now if I have my kids in schools here and they're
like well, you got to move overthere.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know step backwards for a lot
of families on that.
Yeah, so you're right.
The level of you know qualityof life has always been
different from one place toanother, but it's becoming more
drastic.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah, yeah.
And then just the wholeoperational like moving it there
you're signing off on aheadquarters.
It's probably going to cost abillion dollars just for the
headquarters, sure, and then allthe extra ancillary stuff that
goes around it and things likethat.
And yeah, being operational outhere already it makes no sense.
(08:09):
It's just for all the moneythat we're trying to save.
It's a big paycheck for nothing.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
It's a waste.
Yeah, I agree, and it's got tobe, man.
Classic case of if it ain'tbroke, don't fix it.
What's wrong with where it's at?
Speaker 2 (08:24):
It's like what we look for when we were trained
about fraud, waste and abuse.
Like this is it?
Yes, this would be an example.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Yes, you're right.
If you're teaching a young, youknow E5 how to spot fraud,
waste and abuse.
This is it.
Yeah, this would be the casestudy.
You know, perfectly fineoperation that's less than five
years old.
You know everything's goingfine, no problems.
Hey, I got an idea, you know.
Let's stop doing it, let's move, let's upset everything for
about two years and then we'llsee how we're going three or
(08:54):
four years from now.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Check back in with me .
Well, it all kind of stems fromColorado.
Just not voting for him in 2016.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Oh yeah, and you know so it's just petty BS.
The attempt for Colorado tokeep him off the ballot, and
them being the first state.
There's also that too that isthe more recent stick in the eye
for him.
And man, if I mean, he cannotstand most of what goes on out
here as far as, like, thegovernor and the house you know
this, the state levellegislature typetype movements
(09:23):
he just thinks this place is ascrazy as California in his mind.
As far as, like, oh, those arethe supermost ultra-liberal
people.
So, yeah, he'll take a chanceto kick some dust in our faces
every chance he gets.
And I mean proof of thatyesterday slight tangent, but
related to the behaviorChristopher Krebs, the old
information security director.
(09:44):
So what a criticalinfrastructure security agency
CISA.
They were in charge of theelection security back when
Donald Trump in 2020, this manwas hired by Donald Trump to
lead this organization and thenhe testified and said the 2020
election was the most secure andbest run election we'd ever had
, right?
Well, of course, that's theantithesis of what Donald Trump
(10:05):
exists to say now, right.
And so yesterday Donald Trumpsigned an executive order going
after that man in particular andand saying we are going to
investigate his testimony fromback in 2020, when he said that
I lost and we're coming at,we're coming to get you.
That's yesterday, when he saidthat I lost and we're coming to
get you.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
That's horrifying.
Yesterday, that's absolutelyhorrifying.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
And so he's willing to pick up those old grievances,
right?
So there's no doubt that he'llfind plenty of grievances to
kick our way in Colorado,because we're the first state to
try and put him off the ballot,right?
So he's like I have a bone topick with you, yeah, and we have
not settled it yet, right?
And I'll pick up afive-year-old grievance now that
I have the power of the pen andI will abuse you with it.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
I will.
So he's going to try and forcethis guy to admit to perjury, or
something.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
They're going to fabricate perjury charges
against him is what I seehappening right now they're not
even going to talk to this guy.
He already did his testimony.
They're just going to go backfact find, write some kind of
document and say this dude iscommitting treason basically.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
So I mean, this kind of takes me to what I wanted to
talk about a little bit today.
You know, when Trump wasinaugurated, you know he set
forth Christie, noam and Hegseth, you know, to kind of figure
out what's going on with theborders, the border crises?
Sure, because Canada's bordercrisis is now a real thing too.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Sure Maple shipments.
Fentanyl-laced maple shipmentsyeah.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
So he gives them 90 days from his inauguration and
that day lands on 420 this year.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Well, I guess it would be 90 days after yeah, I
didn't realize, yeah, I do kindof like that I want now I want
420 to take on a differentelement to it.
I want it to be I don't knowwhat, instead of the first 100
days of office?
Yeah, the first 90 days, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
But so it happens on 420 this year and a lot of folks
are kind of starting to talkabout the Insurrection Act and
that's where the president canauthorize the use of military
forces on American civilians andso in a scenario where somebody
is protecting somebody who'shere illegally, they could be
(12:23):
charged, deported off to ElSalvador, one step closer to
martial law and theauthoritarianism that I hear
when you tell me about that guy.
The vendetta from five yearsago, yeah, like in trying to get
somebody to for perjury, that'sthe things that you know.
(12:43):
Saddam Hussein's cleansing whenhe took over, sure, yeah, where
it's just like you stand up,you go get executed.
Yeah, like that's like we'regoose-stepping down that barrier
.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
We're staring at it.
Yeah, right there.
Yeah, I agree that the concernthere, as far as you know, not
just the old grievances andeverything but this insurrection
act thing and everything butthis insurrection, insurrection
act thing I've seen in the newsa lot lately about sanctuary
cities and sanctuary policies ofcities and states where they
won't interact with iceno-transcript, and I've never
(13:17):
been a fan of that from its like, at face value, especially, I
don't know, 10 years ago when itbecame politically popular for
a mayor to declare that theywere a sanctuary city.
It was a trend, it was anobvious political trend that
wasn't really rooted in what Isaw as thoughtful solutions.
Yeah, as you can imagine, thepresident who wants to deport
(13:41):
everyone, um, doesn't likesanctuary cities, and so I could
see the insurrection act beingsomething, uh, where you know
the national guard couldpotentially you know usually we
say martial, martial law typethings, right Um, that that
would be where I think I seesanctuary cities or places that
have, um, immigration friendlypolicies, being the first places
(14:02):
that get any kind of influence,like push, saying, hey, stop
doing this or we're going toarrest your mayor, we're going
to arrest your police chief,like people that are telling
this, saying this policy needsto be an act, we're going to get
them for treason right.
We're going to say, if you areenforcing this policy, allowing
immigrants to be in your city,that's treason.
(14:22):
I don't see.
I mean, there's almost no legalboundary between here and there
If they really do invoke theInsurrection Act.
There's no, there's no, there'sno brick wall in between saying
that out loud I invoke theInsurrection Act and then
arresting all those mayors.
There's nothing, you know.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
I mean, like the dominoes touch each other you
know, yeah, and it's reallyuncharted waters that I mean.
We've been kind of screamingabout it for a bit here, but
he's still pushing it as far ashe can go.
We're not going to talk aboutthe terrorists.
But he did it with that shitwhere he talks about it and then
he pulls back.
Going to talk about theterrorists.
(14:59):
But he did it with that shitwhere you know he talks about it
and then he pulls back.
You know, and like how much ofthis you know juvenile tactics.
Is the world going to?
Speaker 1 (15:07):
tolerate.
It's your teen.
I have a teenager.
I have had many teenagers atthis point now in my, in my life
.
I have four kids and you know,even but little kids do it.
Teenagers just do it anygrander fashion.
Yeah, they push theirboundaries right.
They try and find what's thelimit, what can I get away with,
right, what's what's reallygoing to cause a consequence
that I don't want to deal with?
And then how do I get rightback to the just this side of
(15:30):
whatever that is right, you know.
Oh, if I'm 10 minutes late forcurfew, I don't mind being 10
minutes late.
That's up to me, like I've givenmyself allowance to do that
right.
Well, that's how he is doing.
A lot of this policy movementis sort of how hard can I push
it?
And then, if something bites me, I'll step back just a little
(15:51):
bit and then I'll come back injust a day or two and push even
harder and see if it bites meagain.
You know, and it's that testingright?
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Well, I mean, he's been.
He's never been heldaccountable for anything.
Well, that's true.
So, like you, look at thecourts, all of his personal
cases and things like that, Imean he's still the president.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
There's no accountability.
There's been no consequence forany of that stuff.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
You know multiple felons, but you know where do
you when he starts pushing andkeep coming back like how do we
get him to?
I don't know.
I don't know what the questionis.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
There I'm just so confused by the whole situation
right now.
There you go, there you go,that's it.
That's as we always sayconfusion is the goal, right,
yeah, you start to get lost inthese mental rabbit holes of
like what?
Exactly because you're.
I think the problem that we,that any regular average citizen
, regardless of, like, partisanaffiliation, the problem that we
(16:46):
have is that we're trying ourbest to understand what is the
strategy, what's the next step,what do we think would be the
obvious next thing?
And then we'll feel better ifthe obvious next thing actually
happens, right, and so that'swhy we're all guessing on his
strategy of like when, how longwill the terrorists last or not?
Laughs, will he actually arrest5 million immigrants or not?
(17:07):
Right, like we're, we'rewaiting to see what we think the
next outcome would be.
And he blows it up so far outof what we could expect the next
step to be that we never.
We get less stable and lessstable.
Every time we think we get ourheads wrapped around like what's
going on, it gets blown upagain.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Because still on immigration, but I think it's
been forgotten in the last dayis that the Supreme Court put a
stay or is not making him bringback that guy that got sent to
prison for nothing?
Yeah, like the Supreme Courtlike stopped them bringing him
back, like and it just has akind of a stay, but they haven't
(17:45):
said anything about it.
They haven't, they didn't sayshit about it.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Yesterday they said we need more time to consider
this right.
Why, yeah, the administrationalready said this guy is not
didn't do anything wrong.
This was an administrativeerror.
That's their own words.
Right, administrative?
error that's their own wordsThen you need to
administratively bring him back,right, and and nevermind that
the the argument that they havefor this one individual is well,
(18:09):
he was always here, technically, illegally, right, all right,
and if that's the standard ofjustice that we're carrying out
and you want to say that, like,establish it and say it, right.
But if you but they don't, theygo.
Well, he was with gang members,okay, that's not a reason to
arrest anybody, right?
Well, he has a tattoo thatlooks like a gang tattoo.
(18:31):
Okay, that's not a reason to.
(18:54):
That's not a crime, that's acoincidence, not a crime, right?
I?
I mean, the first lady was hereillegally with pedophiles.
So I do agree that knowinglycrossing a border and entering
someplace that requires somekind of documentation.
You know you're doing somethingwrong, right, or that you could
have a consequence for that.
(19:15):
But the idea that a judge hadsaid that one individual has
proven that, even though he cameinto the country illegally, is
not a threat to anybody and hasalready had that hearing and has
had annual updates since thathearing to say you're still
allowed to stay here, and thenthe administration says that it
was an administrative error,there's, it's an open and shut
case, right, there's nothingelse to consider If the
prosecutors themselves say ohyeah, wrong guy.
(19:38):
The judge doesn't keep the caseopen.
The judge lets that guy go andhe says go find the right guy.
That's it.
Immediate release.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Right, but the Supreme court just sits and
waits for the check to cash andit's crazy man.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
And then the also the legal, this, this.
You know international law,it's all squishy.
We've got all these treatiesand stuff, but if we want to go
get some, if we sent somebodysomewhere and then we wanted to
retrieve them, there are tendifferent ways to legally do
that and there's about fivedifferent ways to do it extra
legally.
And so the excuse of well, wegave them to El Salvador, so
(20:16):
like we just have absolutely nolegal authority ever again over
this person's destiny, BS.
The stupidest legal, the lowestbar of a legal argument.
I feel like that was the litmustest to see if the judge was
even reading the paperwork.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
You know what I'm saying?
Right, and then back to theInsurrection Act.
If he can start deporting,because he has already told
reporters that he'd like theidea of sending american
citizens to these prisons also,sure, um?
Speaker 1 (20:42):
as a deterrence method, right like to scare the
shit out.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Well, he says like, oh, if they're the worst of the
worst, if they're the bad of thebad, you know let's, you know,
send them down there and letthem deal with.
Let them deal with them at acheaper cost yeah type of thing.
Um, but like, with thisinsurrection act like like you
think they're gonna have a realgood quality control on who
they're sending down there?
no, no, no they're gonna berounding people up and it's
gonna be a gross abuse of powerthat I mean grosser than what it
(21:06):
already is it's already prettybad.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yeah, and you know, what's crazy to me is um
extradition.
Let's talk about extraditionand how.
But you know, a criminal doesget moved from one country to
another based on a legal request, right?
So so many countries will and Imean, I'm not, I don't really
ascribe to this, but they'reultra liberal countries that
will not send a prisoner out forextradition to any place.
(21:29):
That's even slightly moreconservative than them, because
they say, oh, you're not goingto treat them fairly, right, and
so their standard of fairnessin whatever country says, hey,
this is how we treat prisonersand this is how we do our
judicial system.
And if your country is not, youknow, not in parity with this,
we'll never send you a criminalsuspect, right, we just won't
(21:51):
because we think that you'llpolitically prosecute them or
you'll abuse them, torture them,whatever.
That's usually the case is likewe're not going to send people
down to prison in Egypt becausewe're pretty sure you're just
going to torture them to deathright.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
It's a human rights violation.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
There are countries that won't send people to the
United States because of theirconcern about our prison system
and our legal system and dueprocess.
That's one.
A big one usually is that if wesend him to America, you're not
going to have a trial for likethree years, right, Like you've.
He's already been here for fiveyears, your prosecutors have
already been mounting evidencefor years, but it's still going
(22:25):
to take three years before thetrial even happens.
No, like, that's just not.
Just we're not going to putsomebody in jail for three years
If they could be proveninnocent at the end, we're not
going to send them to you, right, and so even at the level of
what we consider human rightscompliant I guess you could say
prison system here in Americawe're still too regressive for
(22:47):
some other countries to sendpeople here.
Now our policy, as Donald Trumpsees it, is we're too nice to
prisoners.
We need to send them to anothercountry that doesn't have the
human rights laws that we haveso they can get abused.
Right, Because I want prisonersto get abused, and instead of
just abusing people here inAmerica, I want to send them
somewhere else to get themabused.
Right, Because it's cheaper toabuse them somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Well, and just did that overall message of keep
your mouth shut and stay working.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah, stay in line, or you're going to El Salvador.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's the street.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Chris Krebs from the CISA is going down.
Once they find him guilty ofperjury, he's going to get his
head shaved, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
I hate drawing easy lines to 1984, but this is
straight up out of thedoublespeak, changing what
people said and things like that.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Yeah Well and Christy Noem when she goes down.
She apparently has like amonthly visit down at that
prison.
Now Right, where's, I don'tknow, hanging out with the
warrant.
We're warden, yeah, and so.
And look look at this, you know, and they're making again
making more of those TVcommercials that I was talking
about.
She and her thing was you willcome here, right, and that was
the the.
I think that was the statementof baselining that threat to say
(24:07):
it doesn't matter why you cometo America, if you're a criminal
or not, we don't care, right,if you're a farm laborer that
crosses the border and you goback and forth seasonally and we
find you picking fruit andyou're not supposed to be here,
we're sending you to El Salvador, right, just like a hardened
gang member, right, like that'sthe threat.
That's what she said Do notcome to America or you will get
shipped to here.
(24:28):
And trying to make it that veryclear threat of you know,
self-deportation even, right,that's another one that people
are talking about a lot now thatpeople are so afraid to go to
work because they're afraidthey'll get picked up at their
job by ICE.
Ice is about to start doingworkplace enforcement, right,
and so if ICE starts rolling upvans on all the construction
sites around America, it's goingto take about a month before
(24:50):
most of those people stop goingto work, find some other job or
just go back, leave America.
I understand that's theintention of the policy, but
that's not going to be realisticor sustainable.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Right.
It just kills all growth andall jobs for everybody else too,
because a lot of these fordoing unskilled labor.
It's pretty damn skilled.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
It takes a lot of work to be quick and good at
anything.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Get efficient and good at it, yeah, so our economy
.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
There's been so many studies on the trillions of
dollars that immigrants-.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Based off of that type of labor?
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Yeah, provide to our economy and that's all just
going to disappear and we don'thave the people that are going
to go out there and do thesethings.
No, and when you talk about theconstruction sites and things
like that, so now all the growthfor big businesses and things
like that, the sprawl that thecity wants, it's just going to
grind to a halt or becomeexponentially more expensive to
(25:53):
execute.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
And so a project, now that you're going to get by
with paying a lot of your labor,just right above minimum wage.
If you add a couple dollars youknow an hour to that to try and
recruit other type of workers,you know your cost goes up 20%
on that project, right, yeah.
And you know you're alreadyleveraging, you're maxing out
whatever you can to try andbuild.
You know you're going to get$20 million investment to build
(26:15):
this building.
And then all of a suddensomebody goes well, it's
actually gonna be 27.
You're like well, we're halfwaythrough, you know.
And they're like go find sevenmore million dollars, you know?
Or?
we're going to leave half thebuilding built, you know.
So, yeah, and that's, that's areality.
That's only a few weeks away atthe most.
You know where, where thatimpact on the labor force of all
kinds of different industriesis coming through?
(26:35):
Um is coming through.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
One of the tariffs that he left out was with China,
though.
Yes, you get a lot of, you knownet like resources and things
like that from them, still solike a lot of those increases.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Supply chain costs yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Like those are still going up.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Like they're our biggest thing, Like I think
everything else was adistraction.
To keep that on China?
Yeah, Because nobody saidanything about China keeping
their, or we kept our 150%,whatever it is on them now
that's going to kill us.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Until tomorrow when he removes it.
Right the thing, if we stickwith the labor piece of it.
I saw a Trump admin official Ican't remember who it was
because they're all blendingtogether at this point the
stupidity of what they're saying.
Most of the time I can't payattention right?
So he said, okay, we're goingto reshore manufacturing and
(27:27):
we're going to have all thesegreat jobs, and so what we all
assume is that that meansthere's going to be a lot of
humans touching products insidethese facilities, right, but we
also know that that's not reallythe case anymore.
There's a lot of automation, alot of robotics, a lot of
mechanical systems that buildall this stuff.
So the guy admitted.
He said, oh yeah, we're goingto fleece China for all these
(27:48):
jobs.
We're going to rehomeeverything back to America.
We're going to have robotsbuilding products and we're
going to have Americansmaintaining the robots.
Okay, you understand what youjust described.
There is, instead of therebeing 10 jobs to do the work,
there's going to be one job todo the work of 10 people, or
even more watered and diluteddown, it could be 1 to 50, yeah,
(28:09):
if, if you know, depending onthe type of work, right, and so
you're saying instead, we'regoing to have one moderate
paying job to maintain thisequipment instead of 50 just
slightly less paying jobs thatare really putting money into
the local economy.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Right?
Well, it's the same thing whenthey're talking about building
the Keystone pipeline.
You know, make you knowthousands and thousands of jobs,
but once it's built it's like50.
Yes, to maintain the wholething.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Same thing down in.
They would do that down in NewMexico.
Facebook would, uh, wasbuilding all these data centers
and warehouses and like there'scheap, cheap power in certain
parts out there.
So they were just loading ininfrastructure down in New
Mexico, right and acreage, Imean you can get a hundred acres
for like 20 bucks, right.
And so Facebook took advantageof that.
And same thing headlines andyou know it's.
It's kind of sad in a loweconomy state because you see
(28:55):
politicians and even otherpeople get really excited about
those kind of headlines andthey're like oh man, the amazon
factory or the facebook facilityis going to build, you know
it's going to have the samething 500 jobs but it's only for
the construction, right.
The facebook data center samething.
It takes 10 people, includingall the shift workers, to keep
that thing humming like that'sit right, you know it takes 500
(29:18):
people to build it for two yearsand then 10 people for the ever
after.
That, you know.
So it's an illusion, right,it's an illusion, and that's
that's frustrating to see that,and that's the same thing with
all the messaging that we'regetting right now.
Is this illusion that if wereshore everything, the system
will reset itself, that parts ofthe equation will just move
around across one side to theother of the equal sign and
(29:39):
it'll all rebalance right, andthat's absolutely.
Nobody knows if that could evenhappen much less that there's a
strategy to make it happen.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
That's what's upsetting is there's no strategy
to deliver that no, there's nolike natural equilibrium to the
chaos that humans bring to theuniverse no no, like there's
always somebody with their footon the scale that's tilting all
the resources to them.
Yes, and you know, right nowyou know, we have billionaires
that are just raking in cash,and I mean they lost $200
(30:07):
billion or whatever in the lastweek.
Well, trillions.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Yeah, went away from the stock market.
Yeah, right, right.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
You know, like their lives haven't changed at all,
People who worked every day fortheir lives and for their 401ks
and can't retire now their livesare destroyed.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Those people are severely impacted.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah, if you have to work for three more years when
you're already 67, it's a bigdeal.
Come on, it's just gross how,when we saw Trump make a
statement yesterday about, oh,it's a good time to buy, then
all this trading happened and soa lot of people made a lot of
money off of him saying that andthen pausing the tariffs.
(30:43):
Yeah, so these things that arehappening that are just killing
our working class, whilemillionaires, billionaires, that
top 1% is just raking it in,they're buying the dips because
their guy is working the dipsright now.
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Yeah, that is true.
If you get a telegram that saysthe dip is coming, a signal,
excuse me, you get a signal,message that says buy now.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
That's how we do business now, buy now.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Well, I don't know where we're at on time, but
we've covered our topics.
I think that for us, we will goout and buy the dips if we can.
Yeah, start listening closer towhat he says, start listening.
But if you're here locally andif you think you're going to be
impacted by the movement ofSpace Command or any of the
other military headquarterreassignment whether you're a
family member or you knowbusiness owner, and you see this
(31:36):
having some kind of impact onyou, reach out to us, we.
You know business owner and yousee this having some kind of
impact on you, reach out to us.
We'd like to hear how, if spacecommand or any of the military
footprint here in ColoradoSprings went away, if you can
see a direct impact, we'd liketo know more about it.
We know what we see and we knowwhat we're going to experience,
but we want to hear from thecommunity.
How are these things going tomatter?
Because when we get the chanceto talk to people like Senator
Hickenlooper or Senator Bennett,then we want to be able to say,
(31:57):
hey, this is the real impact,right, and we want to speak on
your behalf if we get thatchance.
So please let us know and maybewe'll have you on the show if
you've got something to talkabout.
So we'll remind everybody.
We do have social media.
Blue Sky is our primary andthen, of course, you can always
send Adam an email.
Our email is in our websitehere when you load up the
podcast, so just look for ourcontact info and please get in
(32:19):
touch with us.
We'd love to have some guestson the show Right on.
All right, we'll catch you nextweek.
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