June 22, 2025 • 45 mins
The world watches with bated breath as the Middle East teeters on another precipice of conflict. American B-2 bombers have crossed into Iranian airspace, delivering specialized "bunker buster" bombs to underground nuclear facilities while submarines launched missiles from nearby waters. The operation lasted just 25 minutes but may have consequences that stretch far into our future.
Veterans Dick Wilkinson and Adam break down the strategic implications of this dramatic escalation with expert insights from their military experience. This isn't just another headline—it's a significant shift in American foreign policy with real implications for deployed military personnel, global oil markets, and potentially even domestic security. As they explain, "Two-thirds of our nuclear triad just stretched their legs as a show of force," demonstrating America's overwhelming military capability while significantly raising the stakes.
The conversation delves deep into both tactical details and strategic questions. How were these strikes coordinated with Israel's earlier operations? What responses might Iran pursue—from proxy warfare and missile strikes to potential cyber attacks on American infrastructure? And how might this conflict affect local military communities like Colorado Springs, home to critical installations like NORAD and NORTHCOM?
Most chillingly, our hosts explore whether Iran's leaders might pursue a "death knell" strategy that could bring devastating consequences to both nations. "Are they willing to set themselves on fire to try to win a fight with America?" Adam asks. The answer remains uncertain, but the potential for miscalculation has never been higher.
For anyone trying to understand not just what happened but what comes next, this episode provides crucial context from those who've been inside military decision-making processes. Whether you're concerned about family members deployed overseas, curious about unusual aircraft activity over military communities, or simply trying to make sense of rapidly evolving global tensions, this discussion offers valuable perspective beyond mainstream headlines.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello everyone and welcome to a special edition of
Left Face.
This is the Pikes Peak Regionspodcast, where we talk about
veterans issues and currentevents, and this week we're
coming to you with a specialepisode after the United States
has dropped munitions in Iraninto their territory proper.
So our primary topic today isgoing to be an update on that
(00:23):
situation and how that affectsour local military population.
Today I'm joined with myco-host, adam, and my name is
Dick Wilkinson.
How's it going, adam?
Doing good, dick?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
That was a long way to get your name there.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
It was.
We got there People.
They know who we are.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah, exactly, I was ready to jump right in too.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
So we did record an episode on Friday.
We want to touch base on that.
We had a special crossoverepisode, Adam.
We got invited to that.
Tell us more about what we canexpect there, Adam.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Yeah, so we recorded with Justice with Jax.
It's a local podcast here.
Jax is somebody who has alawsuit pending against the city
for civil rights violation.
Aclu picked up her case andthey're waiting for a ruling on
it.
Uh, everything that she gotcharged with got dropped, but
the government's still trying tokeep all of her um information.
(01:12):
Um, so she, you know she hasthis podcast trying to keep
light to that and she brought uson to kind of talk about
community events and things likethat.
But, uh, incredible host, likeI thought it went really well.
You know, she's really easy totalk to and incredibly
knowledgeable on so much stuff.
So, um, check out justice withJax.
When she drops that episode,we'll just put it out on ours
(01:33):
just to do a little crosspromotion with her.
But uh, yeah, it was a greattime.
Thanks, jax, for having us outthere.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah, thank you, and uh, now, though, we were
motivated, we said we might justwait for that episode, but then
, of course, the events of thelast it's been less than 18
hours now had prompted us to saylet's get in here and do some
coverage on this.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
It never ceases to amaze me how quickly things
change in a Trump administration, because I mean this last
weekend perfect example.
It immediately drew me back towhen he ordered the
assassination of Soleimani.
Oh yeah, you know what I meanBack in that.
You know we were kind ofbuilding up to it and things
like that and every day, becauseI was still serving, you check
(02:12):
your phone to see if we're goingto World War III.
Every day you wake up and checkyour phone to see if you're
going to World War III and I canonly imagine what's going on
with the military members in thearea right now, that level of
pressure and anxiety that's onall those folks.
Now I have family members inthe Middle East right now that
they're getting the shellingevery night.
(02:32):
It's just crazy that we'regoing through this cycle again.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I have a friend who's got approved retirement orders
right now and you always getinto that like chicken and egg
situation where you're trying toseparate of like.
Please don't let the world blowup before my retirement date
Right.
And you know it doesn't matterwhat's going on.
Like those those last sixmonths, you're like you're super
sensitive to every little newssituation.
Right, cause you're like this ohyeah, cause we remember the
(02:59):
stop losses of the early twothousands, where people were due
to separate and they were likewhere do you think you're going
right?
And then they were callingpeople back on their like you
know, reserve time orders andthey're like hey, you've been
out for three years and youhaven't.
You're not a drill, you knowyou're not doing drill with
reserves or anything, but weneed time to come back.
Yep, so you know that that'snot unheard of.
(03:19):
It's happened within ourgeneration, within the last
combat.
You know cycle, so it's totallypossible.
When things get hot, they justcease all those orders and
they're like ask again on theother side of this conflict.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Exactly, and this is something that the Trump
campaign campaigned on that nomore wars.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
We're not doing this, and definitely not in the
Middle East.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
If something goes down with.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Taiwan or North Korea .
That's different.
But we're not going to justkeep hanging out in the sandbox.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Yeah, and now even with the Israeli response, it's
like $250 million or somethinglike that a day and just for
their response, and that's a lotof that's coming out of
American taxpayers right now.
So he made these promises tokeep us out of there and keep
things.
And badmouth Biden abouteverything that he did, and
(04:08):
literally the same day wascomplaining about not winning a
Nobel Peace Prize.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Did you?
Speaker 2 (04:14):
see that he listed the reasons why he should have a
Nobel Peace Prize, but I'llnever get one.
Let's drop some bombs.
Yeah, that's insane.
Yeah, and so even on the right,people don't want this.
This is so against the Americanwill right now and what people
care about and what we're tryingto focus on, even on the folks
(04:35):
on the right.
Unfortunately, they're tryingto focus on other horrific
things, but this is somethingthat they don't want to.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Yeah, that's true.
I did see the coverage wheresome of the ultra-edge of the
MAGA movement that are veryisolationist Tucker Carlson and
the like of him were saying like, oh, I can't believe basically
we should abandon Israel at thispoint right, Even though we've
been kind of knee-deep ineverything they've done for the
(05:03):
last 60-plus years.
But they're in the position oflike, hey, if Israel wants to
fight their own war, let them,and that's not our stated policy
for that situation.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
But Tucker Carlson is pretty clearly a Russian
mouthpiece.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Yeah, sure.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
So, like us, going to war with Iran is not good for
Russia, because right now theycan kind of keep us out of.
Yeah, they're keeping us out ofUkraine, and stuff like that,
you know, so, like, like they'remaking things work with us
right now, but when it's adirect conflict with one of
their closest allies, like they,they share a lot of military
stuff with um and and I'm not,you know talking nukes, yeah,
(05:42):
just munitions and tactics andlike drones right intelligence.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
A lot of the russian drones are coming out of iran
right, right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
So.
So there's that, all of that,um, and they don't want that
that that part of their treeshook up because they got their
hands full still that's true.
Um.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
So yeah, you see in you know, the, the russian
mouthpiece, is like well, thatwould be a little green buddy on
the ultra edge of the MAGA side, Right right.
They'd kind of take thatposition Exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
So, like Marjorie Taylor Greene in Congress, she
starts speaking up against it,like all these folks that are
usually War hawks.
War hawks and just so, pro-killeverybody.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Yeah, blow it up and then we'll.
We'll figure it out as soon asit goes against russia.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
They're like man, let's think about this.
Whoa, whoa, pump the brakes.
Let's get back to you.
Know, our, our own holocaust onthe southern border, you know
america first.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Yeah, um, you know?
What do you think about the?
What got us to this point?
As far as israel, I mean, itfeels like it was a bit
unilateral of the way that theykicked things off, like nine
days ago, ten days ago, whenthey went and did basically the
surface bombing, yeah, ofeverything, and left, you know,
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cut the head off the chicken butleft the rest of it intact,
right, and said come on, america, come through, and finish this
off.
That's why I don't think it'sunilateral well there you go,
that's you know what I mean when, uh, all the air, air defenses
are taken down they wouldn'thave took that level of uh
emphasis to like how they didtheir operations if they didn't
think we were going to comeclean.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yeah, clean, you know , back, clean up, I should say
and when they first started, uh,they started, we, or we started
moving b2s out of diego garciaand that's a pretty uh like
strategic nuclear, like move,move to do when you start moving
things like that.
So we had our own littledistractions and warnings that
we were giving to Iran at thesame time that Israel was coming
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in to attack those defenses.
Yeah, so to me it looks like alot of collaboration between the
two.
There's a lot of owning thatairspace Between the two.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
There's a lot of owning that airspace.
After the initial attacks onthe surface of the nuclear
places, Israel continued toattack them for the next.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
They haven't stopped every day since then, and it's
been what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
It's all the other military, strategic things.
So yesterday, or maybe two daysago, israel did their farthest
reaching attack that they haddone, and it was into Bandar
Abbas, which is like way fareast in Iran.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
And that was to allow for an eastern channel of
approach for flights.
Right, that was the.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Again it was they had never struck anything out in
that range or in that region ofIran, so that it was clear that
they were doing that.
In case that was a corridorthat we were going to use to
approach Right, yeah, so there'sbeen coordination since for
sure you know, and so leading upto this.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Even you know Israel starting the strikes when they
know they couldn't do what theyneeded to do.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Yeah right, like they weren't going to achieve the,
the achievements that we, thatwe did yesterday or last night.
Um, so them even starting.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
That is kind of a an indicator that yeah, they
wouldn't have done it if theyreally had a yeah, big, very
strong belief yeah, big brotherscoming, coming through for them
, yeah yeah, I just wonder.
Uh, you know, I I don't know.
It's it hard to say thestrategy.
You know as much as we worktogether and I know that the
back channels are there and thenthe official channels are there
(09:11):
, but I feel like Israel woulddraw us in right In a way where
I mean it's like if they didn'thave 100% assurances that they
would, they would still take thefirst move try, you know,
putting the ball on the teeright like they would.
I still feel like they wouldhave done that, even if it
(09:32):
wasn't totally clear.
Yeah, if it was clear that theythought iran was going to take
a strategic lead or actuallyhave a plan towards a nuke, then
I think they would have donethat, even if they didn't have a
hundred percent confidence thatAmerica was going to follow
through.
I think they might've stillkicked the hornet's nest and
been like we did it Right, andthat was their language to some
(09:53):
degree for a good period of time.
There that I heard all of theIsraeli officials would say
we've set the table and we hopethat everyone else in the
international community seesthat we've made that.
We've opened the door.
They'd use that kind oflanguage.
Right, we made the situationamenable so that it's doable now
, right yeah.
(10:19):
It's kind of the same languagethat JD Vance has been using
where he's like hey, we're opento peace talks now that we've
destroyed you.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Yeah, right, yeah, as long as you guys don't talk
back like we're listening to you, right?
But you say yes, sir, you saythank you, yeah, you know.
So it's kind of mirroring thatlanguage and I think that's so
naive to even like begin tobelieve that that's like how
Iran's going to handle this.
Like you know, trump talksabout them saying death to
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America and death to Israel andthings like that.
That's not a slogan, that's nota bumper sticker for them.
That's in their hearts.
They truly hate us to theircore.
So us slapping the crap out ofthem like this they're not going
to be like oh, it's not goingto take that away.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Yeah, they're not going to be like.
Oh our bad, scracribe thesticker off the bumper.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we'recool.
We're cool Like come on manThey've told us what they're
going to do.
That's true.
The DNA is there, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
And we know what's going to happen, Like they're
going to.
You know Iran State Television.
They put up a picture of allthe US assets within range of
their missiles and they said,like you guys started this,
we're going to finish, yeah, sothey've put their warnings out.
Like I said, my family members,our friends, are over there
right now.
They're in danger tonightbecause we pretty much did like
(11:38):
a Pearl Harbor to them.
That's true.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Well, let's talk about that then, Before we talk
about what we think the futuremight be, let's talk about that
then.
Let's, before we talk aboutwhat we think the future might
be, let's talk about whatactually happened in the attack,
Just in case anybody listeninghasn't heard.
I mean, we know what theheadline is, but let's get a
little deeper into the detailsof the actual mission that the U
?
S ran Um and we'll.
We'll give this with a smallcaveat that this I'm getting
some of my information from fromDOD public media outlets, but
(12:03):
you know, there's probablydetails that are not been
declared yet and there's eventhings that have been changing
over time.
I've seen the number ofmunitions go up over this, so it
could change.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Oh yeah, the first thing that you know goes when it
comes to war is the truth.
Yeah, so yeah, things willchange.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
So the details we're offering now are true as of, you
know, 12 o'clock today, butThings will change.
So the details we're offeringnow are true as of 12 o'clock
today, but by 12 o'clocktomorrow the story is going to
be different, right.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
However, the mission was a little bit telegraphed
over the previous few days inthat a lot of aircraft movements
happened and took place from.
Actually, before we even getinto this, let's take a moment
to applaud our Secretary ofDefense, pete Hegseth, for not
leaking this on Signal, onSignal, yes, like amazing, yes,
amazing job.
I agree, sir, great job, yes.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Thumbs up.
I have had that moment ofreflection a few times, like wow
, somebody took his phone awayyou know?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Yeah, right, yeah, yeah.
They gave him like a littleflip phone.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
He's calling Big Bird started shooting stuff into
Iran, they were like give methat, yeah, yeah, if you need to
talk to somebody, you talk tome.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yeah, right, jesus.
His deputy secretary yeah sothings started coming out.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Things started moving , airplanes started moving,
strategic aircraft startedtaking up missions that they
haven't flown in months or years, and flying in patterns where
they don't normally go.
So, as it stands now, b-2bombers were what delivered the
bunker busting bombs.
Yeah, and bunker busters wererequired because the facilities
were built into the groundlayers of earth deep, so that
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they would be protected fromsurface munitions.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Right, Almost like a dehydrator type machine.
Yeah, you know where you have,like the layers of a dehydrator,
you know, and that's what'slike sunk into the ground there.
Yeah, sunk way down yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
And so we had to use these munitions.
They'd never been used incombat, in actual, they'd only
been tested right.
But the bunker buster bombswere designed specifically for
these types of facilities,command centers and munitions
stockpiles that are undergroundright 30,000 pound bomb B-2 can
carry two of them at a time.
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There was at least six B-2swith two on board, so at least
12 bunker busters were droppedon either two or maybe three
locations.
The details on where the bunkerbusters went across the three
sites that were hit are kind ofiffy 25 minutes total from
entering airspace to out of theairspace.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
That's insane yeah, so so the that would say mean to
you know to my ears that theydropped both at the same time.
Didn't swing around it becauseyou're supposed to do it in late
, like when you go into thesebig bunkers like this, you drop
one round, have another roundcome through.
So they dropped two at a time.
Two at a time.
They didn't like swing around.
Yeah, I don't know that theywould.
Yeah, or they just delayed therelease out of that one aircraft
(14:49):
by just 30 seconds, right, yeah, because it's all guided
munitions, you know yeah they'reout and then the next one's
coming behind.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Drop, drop, you know.
So multiple bunker bushers oneach target is really what that
comes down to, which which tellsus a little bit of information
that we believe they had done apretty good job at fortifying
these positions.
If the strongest bomb that'snot a nuclear weapon, it
required more than one of themto take it out, that's pretty
(15:18):
serious.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
I saw a quick satellite after photo earlier
today A photo yeah and it didnot look like there was that
much damage, but I know but, Idon't know how those things like
penetrate that's what I wasgonna say.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Yeah, it the what I saw, because I've seen a lot of
those images of fordo over thelast few days and then I saw
this after just one afterpicture of it.
Um, the reason you can't tellis because, basically, if you
went and kicked a sand dune,what would happen?
Right, it would still look likea sand dune right, it would
just be in a different shape.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
I think that's what happened.
Is that that upper surfacelayer is probably, if you were
there, it's totally rearrangedfrom what you had seen the day
before?
Yeah, but from the sky it justlooks like some sand shifted
from one direction to another.
Okay, you know what I'm saying?
That's, what it looks like tome is that it basically the sand
rolled downhill.
But if you were there in personyou'd be like, oh my god,
that's a 200 foot wall of sandthat fell down that hill.
(16:13):
You know like it's not a minorchange, yeah, but from the
satellite it just looks like thesand right?
Speaker 2 (16:18):
yeah, you know, I thought that.
I thought it was interesting,though.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Yeah, but I think it's just proof that it
penetrated the ground, you knowlike yeah, so yeah, yeah, just
not knowing the explosion wasunderground right more than you
know above the surface at all.
So I I think to me that'sprobably an indication that it
went as deep as it needed to.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Yeah, yeah, it was more effective.
Yeah, so, because there's not acrater.
Yeah so, yeah, yeah.
And so those b2s they took offfrom Whiteman, flew and returned
back.
The ones from Diego Garcia thatmoved last week moved around.
They're still there in the area.
Another interesting part of theattacks was that and we used
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our submarines in these launches, so, and since then the Strait
of Hormuz has been closed.
I'm not sure which side theylaunched those on.
I kind of want to look that upnow.
But using our nuclear-capablesubs, because they're always
armed, they always have, youknow, when they go out to sea
(17:27):
have, yeah, you know when theygo out to sea, uh, so having
them pop up in their waterslaunch missiles is another huge,
huge, like uh flex.
I keep telling people liketwo-thirds of our nuclear triad
just stretched their legs as ashow of force.
Um, and you know that'sterrifying, like I've been in
those you know war rooms whereyou see the uh, the body totals
and stuff like that.
Like it's horrific what canhappen when my nuclear stuff
(17:49):
gets involved.
But again we're at thediplomacy stage of well, we're
cool if you're cool, nobody'scool man.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
That's true, that's very true.
Well, you know, and theprecision was there, the OPSEC
was good enough, right?
We don't know who did or didn'tknow.
We telegraphed the fact thatsomething was going to happen.
Either way, ayatollah himselftook over the airwaves and was
(18:23):
like we're sorry everybody.
And he was like we'll never doanything bad, ever again.
I'm going to step down and mycousin, who's super not
religious, he's going to be incharge.
Now, if they had done that, wemight not have blown it up, but
we were probably still going toblow them up anyway, right, yeah
, it was already penciled in Twoweeks, Two weeks.
(18:44):
That was the most unbelievablepiece of all of it.
Right, it was like what is that?
What is he talking about?
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Yeah, but he's the.
So I just read here are somemore things coming out about him
.
After the Tiananmen Squarething, in like 89, he was being
interviewed in like 1991, 92something and he like praised
the Chinese government.
He's like that's a stronggovernment, he was impressed
with the strength, yeah, andthat's just the type of person
(19:11):
he is, so like he's looking fora reason to go in there and do
this.
And very little threat rightnow to American people until
they respond Right, yeah, andthen we'll see what those
proxies do.
Because the the Houthis, beforepresident Trump even spoke, the
Houthis said like no, we'recoming for you.
(19:32):
Yeah, like so.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
So the folks in Yemen , like anybody in that area, and
well, that, and that takes usto the next part of the
conversation, which is what dowe think the response is going
to be?
So, now that we've kind ofclearly, you know, we, we, we,
the United States, has executeda limited strike, we have not
really done any other show offorce as far as like maneuvering
or anything, um, so it's, it'sbelievable, right that maybe we
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did.
We have done what we came to doand, barring any other
aggression, we would notcontinue to blow stuff up there.
I think that's believable,regardless of where you sit in
the fight right now.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
No, because we can reach out and touch somebody
pretty quick.
Well sure.
I know we can, but Just becausewe haven't moved more assets
there, because we already movedan aircraft carrier there
earlier this year.
We already are stacked in thatregion.
The South China Sea is not farand we have things there, Sure.
So we already have enoughthings that can quickly reach
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out and touch them if they wantto have a conversation.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yeah, yeah, In modern warfare it's not like it takes
30 days to bring the heat.
No, I agree.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Yeah, so I don't believe that our posture in that
regards says that we're doneOkay posture on in that regards
says that we're done okay.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
So that brings us to.
You know, we can understandwhat we believe, based on our
american bias, based on ourveteran bias, based on our
understanding of donald trumpall that informs the american
side of it.
But what do we think theiranians believe is happening
right now?
Speaker 2 (21:00):
you know, I mean what's their take on it.
Like you know, I kind ofmentioned earlier, this is kind
of a Pearl Harbor type event forthem.
You know it that?
Speaker 1 (21:12):
was their crown jewel right, their nuclear capability
.
As far as government's promiseto the people Right Was that
we're going to maintain power inthe region Right by doing what
we're doing here.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
It really got them capable of staying competitive
in the 21st century here, right,wrong or indifferent when it
comes to them having nuclearcapabilities, they had them and
they relied on them heavily.
And not just, you know, becausewhen these centrifuges are
spinning, a lot of the uraniumgets used for their powers, for
(21:46):
hospitals, things like that.
Uh, it's the extra stuff, thatthe cape that we lost kind of
track of, the capability totrack that, that yellow cake
that falls out when you spin it,enough, um, but uh, that, that,
that all that other stuff likethe the average citizen doesn't
know about.
Like their nuclear arms program, right, they know that when
(22:07):
they they get dialysis from thisnuclear powered you know
hospital, sure you know what Imean like.
So now you're, we're takingthose things away from a people
that already do not like us and,like you know, we stick our
nose in a lot of places thatshouldn't be.
And now, even with thisconflict, with the closing of
the Strait of Hormuz, that's 20%of the world's oil production.
(22:32):
Trapped on one side of that,yeah trapped on one side of that
now and just stopping the flowand that's going to directly
affect them again, Just becausewe're not getting our oil and
our plastics and everything likethat's their lifeblood Right,
so like they're going to feel ittoo Well and it's more critical
to them, you know, becausethat's basically their only
(22:53):
export Right.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
That's internationally valuable right.
Yeah, Makes them, like you said, a player on the international
scene.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yeah, so now you know , as an Iranian citizen sitting
there in the dark.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
You can't rig the market as much you can't export
to oil, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
But again, as the average citizen sitting there,
you know 90 million people.
Wherever it is those folkssitting there, they don't care
so much about the geopolitics ofit all.
They know that they don't havepower now.
They know that theirinfrastructure won't get fixed
because all of their money fromthe oil you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
So like they're going to be living in a war zone for
a long time, Okay, so there's atwo that I appreciate that you
brought that up as far as thecitizens versus the government
and there being a different kindof taken sentiment on the
impact equals what they thinkabout, right?
Um, I'm thinking about it fromthe government, the iranian
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government perspective, as faras, like, what do they have to
lose or what do they have togain by, you know, doing some
other level of attacks?
Um, but then our uh, or, excuseme, not necessarily just the us
position, there's this nascentidea of regime change out there
that Israel, of course, wants,right, because they believe that
they could somehow influencethe next regime like from
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scratch.
Right, can we start with squareone and figure it out?
Has that worked with anybody?
Speaker 2 (24:20):
in that region.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
That's happened over and over and over again in that
region, and you haven't madefriends with anybody yet.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Right, you know.
Yeah, if Eric Spring didn'tteach you anything, it's like
the next guys in line don't likeyou either.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Don't care, yeah, so, but I understand their desire
for like, well, these peoplehave repeated themselves 1000
times that they want to, youknow, river to the CS, right?
Maybe the next people will haveonly said it a hundred times,
you know, and so that's, maybethat's their position.
I think the?
U, the U S government, the U Speople don't care necessarily so
much about regime change, butthe U?
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S government, we're alwaysabout some regime change, right?
Well, that's kind of our thing.
Yeah, I think we get a punchcard, I think our next one, the
next one's free, yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
We get to install the next government for free, Make
them pay for it.
We've heard that somewherewe're going to open hotels in
Gaza and we'll make Iran pay forit.
Right?
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Don't give them any ideas.
You get a timeshare.
You get a timeshare.
But the Iranian government.
They've had problems with theirpopulation, never so much where
it was really a chance oftoppling.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I thought a few years ago we had a chance.
I really hope that Americawould have leaned a little
harder on that one.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
That's what I'm saying.
It seemed like it might havehappened a couple times in the
last 20 years, but it didn'tRight yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Yeah.
So now all those dissonantpeople, though they can very
easily become sympathetictowards their government right
and most of the pundit.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
You know talk that I heard about people that have
gone to iran, which I've notreally, you know, I don't
interact with people from iranthat much, so people with a
little more of a firsthand lookon it were like, honestly, most
people are going to turn moresympathetic after this situation
Even your average person, whomaybe wouldn't you know Towards
the Iranian, towards the Iranianregime, and become more
patriotic towards Iran and theAyatollah.
(26:14):
We saw it, yeah, we've seen it.
So they said that's much morelikely to happen than them.
Take the opportunity to like,rise up, right, they don't think
they have any way to do that?
Like and not make their ownsituation even worse.
Yeah, and so that there'd bemore loyalty out of this than
dissidence.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Right and probably right, I mean, it's just like
you said, pearl harbor yeah,pearl harbor 9-11 right, like
they had that moment yesterday.
So and I've been hearing a lotof uh, I got friends in
different networks and they talkabout the, the right wing
message boards and stuff likethat.
There's a lot of people gettingon board with the Islamophobia
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and attacking Iran.
You know, on American soil,Like they get talking about
attacks again on Muslim people.
Sure, which you know.
I actually want to kind of talkto the other side of that too.
Sure, which you know, Iactually want to kind of talk to
the other side of that too.
When we're talking aboutresponses, you know, with the
Iranian government, theirresponses, you know, aren't
going to be, or don't have to be, limited to the Middle East.
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There's always been talks ofsleeper cells and other
different cells in America, andwhen they said like hey, you
guys started this, we're goingto finish it, Like I think
they're going to try and call upevery sleeper cell that they
have, and so that's really whereI wanted the conversation about
their response to go is hmm,are they willing to set
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themselves on fire to try to wina fight with America?
And I say, try to win, it's anasymmetric lineup, no matter how
you do it right From a militaryperspective, from an economy
perspective, from an overalljust capability of the
population perspective, but froma timing perspective, if they
were to do something now, whenAmerica is already so divided,
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and if Trump tries to dosomething like a martial law in
areas and things like that, whenthe people are so against the
Iranians.
So if there's some attack hereon US soil and it gets
attributed back to Iran and theytry to do some sort of martial
law or try to, like you know,have more control Camp type
situation or something.
Right.
Will our people allow that tohappen?
I mean shit, we're alreadyallowing people to get exported
(28:26):
to El Salvador.
But I think, timing-wise, Irancould attack and not spend as
many resources, because we wouldshoot ourselves in the foot.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
I see what you're saying there could be.
Well, as with all asymmetricwarfare, you have to get an
outsized effect for your.
Your punch has to carry morethan it's worth.
Your punch has to carry morethan it's worth.
You know.
Your punch has to hurt, andthat's, I guess.
What I'm saying is they wouldhave to pull a lot of asymmetric
attacks in a fairly quicksequence or in a strategic way
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to where they compound on eachother.
Right.
I'm not as worried about andloyal sleeper cells.
I mean, you know we've seenthings where concerts get shot
up and, unfortunately, you know,like public places get attacked
, cars drive down busy streetson the 4th of July, some of that
kind of stuff might happen.
Sleeper cell activity like that,any death is terrible, but
we're talking, like you know, 10, 20 people, not like 9-11 level
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terrorism.
I don't think they have thattype of facility here right now,
type of facility here right now.
One thing that could have thatkind of death toll is, um, cyber
attacks on criticalinfrastructure, which iran has
proven that they have thecapability they have been caught
inside us infrastructure toinclude private, like water
systems and power systems.
So again, what I'm I guess whatI'm saying is is like are they
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willing to do something that isclearly over the line, like hit
five water systems all at onceand then it's guaranteed
destruction?
Speaker 2 (29:55):
You know what I'm saying?
We've already stood down all ofour not all of our, but we've
already stood down a good chunkof our cyber defenses.
Well, yes, that's true.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
We stood down the Russian task force, who again
works very closely with Iran.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
A lot of the CISA got dismissed right.
And their mission gotdowngraded.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Yeah, so like those firewalls and those stops are
already removed, there's lesspeople watching the line for
sure, yeah, so they could getaway with it and not even really
be attributed right away, Rightright.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yes, but that's what I'm saying, though, is we would
attribute it to them, even if itwasn't them right.
Somebody else could hack thewest and then blame it on them
and be like I ran did it, butthat's my point is like would
they be willing to cross thoselines where you're really going
to poke the bear and then youjust get destroyed, like it
right now?
If they tap dance through this,they get to stay in.
The regime could stay.
There's a way for the regime tostay in power.
If they turn the lights off inthree or four states and taint a
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water supply, that's not goingto happen.
The regime is going to changeand the people are going to get
kind of stepped on.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
They're not going to exist for hundreds of years.
That will be contaminated.
It's going to be bad.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
And so that's what I'm saying is, do they want to
poke the bear like that, or isit going to be contained to a
few rockets at a few bases, afew rockets at some ships, with
some commercial ships?
you know, like the same kind ofstuff we're used to seeing them
do?
Or are they really going to tryand do something that really
hurts the American people orhomeland?
(31:27):
Not our projected forces wedon't really care about.
If you keep blowing up tankersin the Middle East, People don't
get off the couch for oiltankers.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Even shutting down the Strait isn't going to have
the effect that they think.
It is because, with Trump inthe office, he's looking for a
reason to increase our domesticproduction, so he'll just
increase our domestic production.
Yeah, we got ways around thatissue, like we're not as
hamstrung by that.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
This is sensitivity as it used to be.
Yeah, yeah and and so, yeah,their leverage there is even
less.
So I guess that's what I'msaying can do.
Would they execute a deathknell type attack?
That really would cause somedamage to america, not like
critical, but you know a couplethousand people might die.
You know we might have someserious problems for a few
months, but, like, then they'rejust gone you know like are they
(32:15):
willing?
to do that, or do they believethat that would even happen?
I don't know.
What do they believe wouldhappen?
Why did they test those systemsto figure out how to get into
our cyber systems If they didn'thave some intention to do
something?
Speaker 2 (32:26):
right, yeah, it's not just a, it wasn't in case.
Yeah, right, exactly, you don'tforward, deploy stuff like that
to just check it out I mean,the saber rattling is kind of
standard, what we know for, likenorth korea, even iran, you
know, you know these bigdictatorships, you know they
have to saber rattle to to keeptheir people um, believe in the.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Kool-Aid.
Jingle the keys in front of thebaby, exactly.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Yeah, just keep drinking this Kool-Aid.
Yeah, but in this case and withyou know their history that we
already talked about with kindof being a divided country, like
they have the support right nowto really push for Israel to be
wiped off the map, Sure, and Ithink that'll be their focus
more than America for now.
(33:10):
So I think they'll still focuson Israel because they can get
more support locally.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
And a lot more bang for the buck too.
They can actually shoot Israel.
They can't shoot us.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Yeah, and, like you said, the cooperation there is
so clear they can still say heylook, we're still wiping Israel
off the map without directlyengaging us too much.
But I think the concern withwhat's going to happen is it's
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going to be more proxies hittingall of our resources around the
area, and those proxies arealways.
You know, they attributethemselves to them, but you
can't really tie them.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
It's a funding line and that's it.
There's no.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
it's a decentralized kind of and that's always been
enough in the past for us to saylike, okay, iran, we're not.
We know you gave them money,but you better.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Right, but I don't think that.
Like all the people in Syria.
Right, they always kind ofcalled, drew that line.
I'm like Iran's got theirfinger in the pie.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
But they're not wearing Iranian military
uniforms, right?
Speaker 2 (34:17):
So yeah, so like, but I don't think the Trump
administration's that, you know.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
So, uh, so yeah, if the proxies, the proxies could
draw iran, big, big iran, intothe war faster than what they,
what they're anticipating, sureyeah, I agree with you that the
focus on is real and basically,um, you know, trying to rally
people to destroy israel isprobably, uh, more likely.
(34:45):
Um, I unfortunately israel andwhat they've done in gaza
whether your support you knowthe fact they flattened gaza or
not it puts them in a really badlight right now.
Yeah, where I thought, you know, I'll just, we're gonna, I'm
gonna take a very neutralobserver position on this.
Everybody could get upset or notget upset, but, um, israel blew
(35:08):
up every hospital in thepalestinian territory within the
first month of theircounter-strike.
I mean, every single one ofthem.
They blew them all up.
And now they said that hamaswas in the basement and hamas
was running, you know, commandcenters.
Maybe they were and they couldhave been totally true and that
could have been a valid militarytarget, but it doesn't matter
because they blew up a bunch ofhospitals.
(35:29):
And then here's the point ofthe story um, a hospital in tel
aviv got hit and it man, israelwas like this is it, this is the
red line.
Blood of civilians is a no-go.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
We're gonna flatten out, we're gonna, and
everybody's like we're going toroll on our end.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Huh, yeah, and this is like wait, wait, wait.
You shot a hospital yesterday.
You know what I'm saying youshot it for the 10th time
yesterday with a tank.
You knew that you were shooting.
It wasn't a mistake, it didn'tfall off course.
You were 100 yards away and youblew the walls out with a tank.
Yeah, they're not going to getthe sympathy on the
international community.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
You can't have your cake and eat it too.
You know what I'm saying you?
Speaker 1 (36:09):
can't.
Nobody's going to cry aboutyour hospital because Gaza, and
you may have the right to havedone everything you did in Gaza,
but then that takes away yourright to ask for support when it
happens to you.
You can't, you just can't.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
You can't.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
You just can't.
You know, yeah, you know.
And so when they all, all thepoliticians from Israel, went to
the hospital over throughoutthe course of that day and used
it as the rallying cry likeblood of civilians, come on man.
Like that's also your rallyingcry for why you're in Gaza.
It's like cause they took theblood of civilians.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Like, come on One thing that I read this morning
because it was about RussianMedvedev.
He's talking about how othercountries might feed nukes to
Iran and stuff like that.
But one of the comments on thearticle brought up a really good
point about Medvedev is apropaganda specialist for the
(37:05):
Russian people.
Like he says stuff for therussian people, yeah, and when
western media starts grabbingtheir propaganda and spreading
it, it just it feeds them andhelps them out.
So much, um, it's kind of thesame thing there where, like we
have so like those politiciansgoing to that hospital, that was
propaganda for their people,yeah, and like I don't think
(37:25):
people really understand theimpact of that.
Like it goes everywhere.
Now it, yeah, and like I don'tthink people really understand
the impact of that.
Like it goes everywhere now it'snot like you can't just say
things in front of your peopleget them right, right right
everybody else is going to seethat too and they're like, no
like they're gonna, they'regonna call you on it yeah, like,
like people don't understandthat propaganda just gets
flooded on both sides, left andright, to confuse and muddy the
(37:47):
waters at each locality.
So now that we're in such aconnected world, now we're
getting propaganda from allthese other things.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
And that's how you get the meme.
You get a meme where it showsthe picture of the Israeli
hospital blown up and then itshows five flat places in Gaza
where there's no hospitalsanymore.
They're like let's trade who'sthe greatest basketball player
of all time?
Speaker 2 (38:11):
you know how many rings do you have?
Do the math, you know.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
So it was that happened this week.
Yeah, so I mean I think you'reright that keeping the pressure
on trying to to destroy israeluh, makes sense.
It keeps them.
I guess it perpetuates all thelevel of conflict that they're
basically thriving in, if youcould say that they thrive from.
So, without them trying tolaunch a totally death-enticing
(38:40):
sort of situation with America,they can keep taking shots at
Israel and kind of regroup, stayalive, you know.
Stay to fight another day,rally their people and
everything.
Yeah, stay to fight another day, for sure.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
One thing that you know with all this stuff going
on here locally being inColorado Springs, you know we
have NORAD NORTHCOM here.
We see a lot of interestingvehicles in the sky.
I got some experience in thenuclear enterprise and it's
really interesting to see whenthese things kick off the
(39:13):
activity that we see around town.
I think earlier I saw a Takamo,which is like a Navy, take
charge and move out where theycan do command and control of
our nuclear forces.
Gotcha, there's NAOX, which islike an E6.
It looks like an old Senate,but I think that was the one
that you saw.
It looks kind of like just awhite plane a ton of antennas on
(39:34):
it that you can literallycontrol the world from.
Yeah, they're crazy and there'salways one in the sky or warm
to take off or something likethat.
Incredible crews that fly onthose things also.
But we see a lot of those herelocally.
Last week before the no Kingsprotest, we saw a lot of
helicopters downtown workingwith CSPD and things like that,
(39:59):
learning to extract people.
But people need to understandthat even though we have things
going down here locally, this issuch a critical national spot.
A lot of these helicopters arejust moving important people to
important places to makeimportant decisions.
You know there's a lot ofmovements going around here.
(40:19):
Um, people track it prettyclosely, like what's going on on
the flight line, things likethat.
Uh, everybody needs to realizethat this is a, this is going to
be a big hub and there's goingto be a lot of activity in our
area.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Yeah, yeah, the abnormal should seem normal for
a little while.
Like why are all those planesup?
Well, there's a lot going on.
Yeah, you know, I've got onetoo that I used to, when you're,
when you're an intelligence guy, you are oftentimes you're
doing your job remotely andyou're you're watching something
that's happening somewheretotally different part of the
world, and I always used to tryand like I would try and sort of
(40:53):
think through the, through thesoda straw out, to like where am
I, what am I looking at rightnow, and what are those people
doing?
Right, they're on a, they're ona military base somewhere
flying airplanes around, and I'mand I'm watching their activity
from somewhere else in theworld.
And then you remember, oh yeah,they do that to us too, right
yeah?
And then you're like, wait aminute, I'm watching people take
(41:14):
off in these special fighterjets and fly around in circles
in the sky and then it tookyears of doing this.
And then one day I'm watching.
I think I was up at Buckley andI was watching airplanes take
off and fly around in flyingcircles in the sky.
And I think I was up at Buckleyand I was watching airplanes
take off and fly around inflying circles in the sky and I
was like some dude in China issitting there with headsets on
and he's saying Colorado flightfour airplanes up in active
(41:35):
flying racetrack.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
And he was saying it in.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Chinese and I was like that dude is watching this
right now.
How dare them?
And they're talking about itjust like we're talking about it
.
And they're talking about it,just like we're talking about it
.
And so it is.
Absolutely.
There is strategy in giving youknow.
Military deception or confusionis a thing, right.
And so flying around a bunch ofairplanes and helicopters into
(41:59):
places that you don't normallyfly them is great.
When you're trying to confuse astrategic level enemy of like,
where should we watch?
What should we look for?
And if they got three or fourbases that they watched in
forever, per you know, no matterwhat kind of military
operations are going on, andthen eight different bases all
start having the same kind ofactivity, it really is confusing
to the intelligence forces, uh,you know.
(42:21):
And to the like planners oflike, oh, oh, I thought those
were the only four bases thatcould even do that.
Now they have 12.
Ah, that's a bit.
That's a big difference, youknow.
And so those kind of activitiesalso take place, and if you're
standing on the ground near anybase in the united states,
you're never going to know ifthose people are doing training.
If they're doing, they won'tknow that they're doing military
(42:43):
deception.
They're just told to go and flythe airplanes a lot.
Next, week.
Nobody tells them why you knowthey're like.
You need to put some hours onthat engine, All right you know,
so and so those activities, youknow they can be a little
spooky, and especially if you'resomebody who's lived here in
Colorado Springs your whole lifeand you're like I've never seen
one of those, I've never seenthat one.
You know that freaks peoplesometimes.
Yeah definitely can.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Yeah, it was one time I saw the Guppy there.
Did you ever see that?
It was the plane that used tofly the Atlantis shuttle.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
Oh yeah, Like the space shuttles around.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
It's a ridiculous looking plane, yeah, but like
it's one of those ones wherewhen you see it, you're like,
well, that's unique, that's seeweird things here, yeah, um, so
you know, keep your eyes on theskies, but keep your head about
you if anything is.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
You know, if you live here in colorado springs, you
know enjoy the show, I guessright, yeah you know they're,
they're, you're safe rightthere's nothing.
There's no them doing whatthey're doing.
If anything, you'll see themfor a few days and then they're
going to disappear right, andthen you won't see them again
you know.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
So yeah, yeah, yeah.
If we see them all disappear,that's when you need to worry.
Just go watch the news.
You know.
So yeah, yeah, yeah.
If we see them all disappear,that's when you need to worry.
Just go watch the news.
You know, sometime in the next24 hours something's going to
happen.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Right, so well, I you know I feel like we've covered
it.
Um, I guess you know partingwords is uh, anybody that's in
theater right now.
You know our, our, uh, ourconcern is with you.
Our prayers are with you.
Uh, if you are on one of thoseships that are trapped on the
wrong side of the straight tohard moves right now which I'm
sure there's at least one or twoout there that sailed in
thinking they were going to sailback out, and they're not doing
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that right now, you know we, uh, we're, we were thinking about
you and we're, we're, we carethat you get out safe.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, y'all.
Uh stay safe.
And yeah, I don't even know howto end it after that.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
I don't know We'll see you all next week and I'm
sure there'll be some of ourpredictions.
We'll find out.
Did they saber rattle?
Did they?
What happened?
If the power's still on right,if Iran doesn't turn the power
off right, yeah, so we've gotlike four days till we record
World.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
War III or whatever.
Hello everyone and welcome to a special edition of
Left Face.
This is the Pikes Peak Regionspodcast, where we talk about
veterans issues and currentevents, and this week we're
coming to you with a specialepisode after the United States
has dropped munitions in Iraninto their territory proper.
So our primary topic today isgoing to be an update on that
(00:23):
situation and how that affectsour local military population.
Today I'm joined with myco-host, adam, and my name is
Dick Wilkinson.
How's it going, adam?
Doing good, dick?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
That was a long way to get your name there.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
It was.
We got there People.
They know who we are.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah, exactly, I was ready to jump right in too.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
So we did record an episode on Friday.
We want to touch base on that.
We had a special crossoverepisode, Adam.
We got invited to that.
Tell us more about what we canexpect there, Adam.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Yeah, so we recorded with Justice with Jax.
It's a local podcast here.
Jax is somebody who has alawsuit pending against the city
for civil rights violation.
Aclu picked up her case andthey're waiting for a ruling on
it.
Uh, everything that she gotcharged with got dropped, but
the government's still trying tokeep all of her um information.
(01:12):
Um, so she, you know she hasthis podcast trying to keep
light to that and she brought uson to kind of talk about
community events and things likethat.
But, uh, incredible host, likeI thought it went really well.
You know, she's really easy totalk to and incredibly
knowledgeable on so much stuff.
So, um, check out justice withJax.
When she drops that episode,we'll just put it out on ours
(01:33):
just to do a little crosspromotion with her.
But uh, yeah, it was a greattime.
Thanks, jax, for having us outthere.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah, thank you, and uh, now, though, we were
motivated, we said we might justwait for that episode, but then
, of course, the events of thelast it's been less than 18
hours now had prompted us to saylet's get in here and do some
coverage on this.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
It never ceases to amaze me how quickly things
change in a Trump administration, because I mean this last
weekend perfect example.
It immediately drew me back towhen he ordered the
assassination of Soleimani.
Oh yeah, you know what I meanBack in that.
You know we were kind ofbuilding up to it and things
like that and every day, becauseI was still serving, you check
(02:12):
your phone to see if we're goingto World War III.
Every day you wake up and checkyour phone to see if you're
going to World War III and I canonly imagine what's going on
with the military members in thearea right now, that level of
pressure and anxiety that's onall those folks.
Now I have family members inthe Middle East right now that
they're getting the shellingevery night.
(02:32):
It's just crazy that we'regoing through this cycle again.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I have a friend who's got approved retirement orders
right now and you always getinto that like chicken and egg
situation where you're trying toseparate of like.
Please don't let the world blowup before my retirement date
Right.
And you know it doesn't matterwhat's going on.
Like those those last sixmonths, you're like you're super
sensitive to every little newssituation.
Right, cause you're like this ohyeah, cause we remember the
(02:59):
stop losses of the early twothousands, where people were due
to separate and they were likewhere do you think you're going
right?
And then they were callingpeople back on their like you
know, reserve time orders andthey're like hey, you've been
out for three years and youhaven't.
You're not a drill, you knowyou're not doing drill with
reserves or anything, but weneed time to come back.
Yep, so you know that that'snot unheard of.
(03:19):
It's happened within ourgeneration, within the last
combat.
You know cycle, so it's totallypossible.
When things get hot, they justcease all those orders and
they're like ask again on theother side of this conflict.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Exactly, and this is something that the Trump
campaign campaigned on that nomore wars.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
We're not doing this, and definitely not in the
Middle East.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
If something goes down with.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Taiwan or North Korea .
That's different.
But we're not going to justkeep hanging out in the sandbox.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Yeah, and now even with the Israeli response, it's
like $250 million or somethinglike that a day and just for
their response, and that's a lotof that's coming out of
American taxpayers right now.
So he made these promises tokeep us out of there and keep
things.
And badmouth Biden abouteverything that he did, and
(04:08):
literally the same day wascomplaining about not winning a
Nobel Peace Prize.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Did you?
Speaker 2 (04:14):
see that he listed the reasons why he should have a
Nobel Peace Prize, but I'llnever get one.
Let's drop some bombs.
Yeah, that's insane.
Yeah, and so even on the right,people don't want this.
This is so against the Americanwill right now and what people
care about and what we're tryingto focus on, even on the folks
(04:35):
on the right.
Unfortunately, they're tryingto focus on other horrific
things, but this is somethingthat they don't want to.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Yeah, that's true.
I did see the coverage wheresome of the ultra-edge of the
MAGA movement that are veryisolationist Tucker Carlson and
the like of him were saying like, oh, I can't believe basically
we should abandon Israel at thispoint right, Even though we've
been kind of knee-deep ineverything they've done for the
(05:03):
last 60-plus years.
But they're in the position oflike, hey, if Israel wants to
fight their own war, let them,and that's not our stated policy
for that situation.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
But Tucker Carlson is pretty clearly a Russian
mouthpiece.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Yeah, sure.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
So, like us, going to war with Iran is not good for
Russia, because right now theycan kind of keep us out of.
Yeah, they're keeping us out ofUkraine, and stuff like that,
you know, so, like, like they'remaking things work with us
right now, but when it's adirect conflict with one of
their closest allies, like they,they share a lot of military
stuff with um and and I'm not,you know talking nukes, yeah,
(05:42):
just munitions and tactics andlike drones right intelligence.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
A lot of the russian drones are coming out of iran
right, right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
So.
So there's that, all of that,um, and they don't want that
that that part of their treeshook up because they got their
hands full still that's true.
Um.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
So yeah, you see in you know, the, the russian
mouthpiece, is like well, thatwould be a little green buddy on
the ultra edge of the MAGA side, Right right.
They'd kind of take thatposition Exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
So, like Marjorie Taylor Greene in Congress, she
starts speaking up against it,like all these folks that are
usually War hawks.
War hawks and just so, pro-killeverybody.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Yeah, blow it up and then we'll.
We'll figure it out as soon asit goes against russia.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
They're like man, let's think about this.
Whoa, whoa, pump the brakes.
Let's get back to you.
Know, our, our own holocaust onthe southern border, you know
america first.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Yeah, um, you know?
What do you think about the?
What got us to this point?
As far as israel, I mean, itfeels like it was a bit
unilateral of the way that theykicked things off, like nine
days ago, ten days ago, whenthey went and did basically the
surface bombing, yeah, ofeverything, and left, you know,
(06:53):
cut the head off the chicken butleft the rest of it intact,
right, and said come on, america, come through, and finish this
off.
That's why I don't think it'sunilateral well there you go,
that's you know what I mean when, uh, all the air, air defenses
are taken down they wouldn'thave took that level of uh
emphasis to like how they didtheir operations if they didn't
think we were going to comeclean.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yeah, clean, you know , back, clean up, I should say
and when they first started, uh,they started, we, or we started
moving b2s out of diego garciaand that's a pretty uh like
strategic nuclear, like move,move to do when you start moving
things like that.
So we had our own littledistractions and warnings that
we were giving to Iran at thesame time that Israel was coming
(07:33):
in to attack those defenses.
Yeah, so to me it looks like alot of collaboration between the
two.
There's a lot of owning thatairspace Between the two.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
There's a lot of owning that airspace.
After the initial attacks onthe surface of the nuclear
places, Israel continued toattack them for the next.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
They haven't stopped every day since then, and it's
been what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
It's all the other military, strategic things.
So yesterday, or maybe two daysago, israel did their farthest
reaching attack that they haddone, and it was into Bandar
Abbas, which is like way fareast in Iran.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
And that was to allow for an eastern channel of
approach for flights.
Right, that was the.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Again it was they had never struck anything out in
that range or in that region ofIran, so that it was clear that
they were doing that.
In case that was a corridorthat we were going to use to
approach Right, yeah, so there'sbeen coordination since for
sure you know, and so leading upto this.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Even you know Israel starting the strikes when they
know they couldn't do what theyneeded to do.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Yeah right, like they weren't going to achieve the,
the achievements that we, thatwe did yesterday or last night.
Um, so them even starting.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
That is kind of a an indicator that yeah, they
wouldn't have done it if theyreally had a yeah, big, very
strong belief yeah, big brotherscoming, coming through for them
, yeah yeah, I just wonder.
Uh, you know, I I don't know.
It's it hard to say thestrategy.
You know as much as we worktogether and I know that the
back channels are there and thenthe official channels are there
(09:11):
, but I feel like Israel woulddraw us in right In a way where
I mean it's like if they didn'thave 100% assurances that they
would, they would still take thefirst move try, you know,
putting the ball on the teeright like they would.
I still feel like they wouldhave done that, even if it
(09:32):
wasn't totally clear.
Yeah, if it was clear that theythought iran was going to take
a strategic lead or actuallyhave a plan towards a nuke, then
I think they would have donethat, even if they didn't have a
hundred percent confidence thatAmerica was going to follow
through.
I think they might've stillkicked the hornet's nest and
been like we did it Right, andthat was their language to some
(09:53):
degree for a good period of time.
There that I heard all of theIsraeli officials would say
we've set the table and we hopethat everyone else in the
international community seesthat we've made that.
We've opened the door.
They'd use that kind oflanguage.
Right, we made the situationamenable so that it's doable now
, right yeah.
(10:19):
It's kind of the same languagethat JD Vance has been using
where he's like hey, we're opento peace talks now that we've
destroyed you.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Yeah, right, yeah, as long as you guys don't talk
back like we're listening to you, right?
But you say yes, sir, you saythank you, yeah, you know.
So it's kind of mirroring thatlanguage and I think that's so
naive to even like begin tobelieve that that's like how
Iran's going to handle this.
Like you know, trump talksabout them saying death to
(10:44):
America and death to Israel andthings like that.
That's not a slogan, that's nota bumper sticker for them.
That's in their hearts.
They truly hate us to theircore.
So us slapping the crap out ofthem like this they're not going
to be like oh, it's not goingto take that away.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Yeah, they're not going to be like.
Oh our bad, scracribe thesticker off the bumper.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we'recool.
We're cool Like come on manThey've told us what they're
going to do.
That's true.
The DNA is there, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
And we know what's going to happen, Like they're
going to.
You know Iran State Television.
They put up a picture of allthe US assets within range of
their missiles and they said,like you guys started this,
we're going to finish, yeah, sothey've put their warnings out.
Like I said, my family members,our friends, are over there
right now.
They're in danger tonightbecause we pretty much did like
(11:38):
a Pearl Harbor to them.
That's true.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Well, let's talk about that then, Before we talk
about what we think the futuremight be, let's talk about that
then.
Let's, before we talk aboutwhat we think the future might
be, let's talk about whatactually happened in the attack,
Just in case anybody listeninghasn't heard.
I mean, we know what theheadline is, but let's get a
little deeper into the detailsof the actual mission that the U
?
S ran Um and we'll.
We'll give this with a smallcaveat that this I'm getting
some of my information from fromDOD public media outlets, but
(12:03):
you know, there's probablydetails that are not been
declared yet and there's eventhings that have been changing
over time.
I've seen the number ofmunitions go up over this, so it
could change.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Oh yeah, the first thing that you know goes when it
comes to war is the truth.
Yeah, so yeah, things willchange.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
So the details we're offering now are true as of, you
know, 12 o'clock today, butThings will change.
So the details we're offeringnow are true as of 12 o'clock
today, but by 12 o'clocktomorrow the story is going to
be different, right.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
However, the mission was a little bit telegraphed
over the previous few days inthat a lot of aircraft movements
happened and took place from.
Actually, before we even getinto this, let's take a moment
to applaud our Secretary ofDefense, pete Hegseth, for not
leaking this on Signal, onSignal, yes, like amazing, yes,
amazing job.
I agree, sir, great job, yes.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Thumbs up.
I have had that moment ofreflection a few times, like wow
, somebody took his phone awayyou know?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Yeah, right, yeah, yeah.
They gave him like a littleflip phone.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
He's calling Big Bird started shooting stuff into
Iran, they were like give methat, yeah, yeah, if you need to
talk to somebody, you talk tome.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yeah, right, jesus.
His deputy secretary yeah sothings started coming out.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Things started moving , airplanes started moving,
strategic aircraft startedtaking up missions that they
haven't flown in months or years, and flying in patterns where
they don't normally go.
So, as it stands now, b-2bombers were what delivered the
bunker busting bombs.
Yeah, and bunker busters wererequired because the facilities
were built into the groundlayers of earth deep, so that
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they would be protected fromsurface munitions.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Right, Almost like a dehydrator type machine.
Yeah, you know where you have,like the layers of a dehydrator,
you know, and that's what'slike sunk into the ground there.
Yeah, sunk way down yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
And so we had to use these munitions.
They'd never been used incombat, in actual, they'd only
been tested right.
But the bunker buster bombswere designed specifically for
these types of facilities,command centers and munitions
stockpiles that are undergroundright 30,000 pound bomb B-2 can
carry two of them at a time.
(14:05):
There was at least six B-2swith two on board, so at least
12 bunker busters were droppedon either two or maybe three
locations.
The details on where the bunkerbusters went across the three
sites that were hit are kind ofiffy 25 minutes total from
entering airspace to out of theairspace.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
That's insane yeah, so so the that would say mean to
you know to my ears that theydropped both at the same time.
Didn't swing around it becauseyou're supposed to do it in late
, like when you go into thesebig bunkers like this, you drop
one round, have another roundcome through.
So they dropped two at a time.
Two at a time.
They didn't like swing around.
Yeah, I don't know that theywould.
Yeah, or they just delayed therelease out of that one aircraft
(14:49):
by just 30 seconds, right, yeah, because it's all guided
munitions, you know yeah they'reout and then the next one's
coming behind.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Drop, drop, you know.
So multiple bunker bushers oneach target is really what that
comes down to, which which tellsus a little bit of information
that we believe they had done apretty good job at fortifying
these positions.
If the strongest bomb that'snot a nuclear weapon, it
required more than one of themto take it out, that's pretty
(15:18):
serious.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
I saw a quick satellite after photo earlier
today A photo yeah and it didnot look like there was that
much damage, but I know but, Idon't know how those things like
penetrate that's what I wasgonna say.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Yeah, it the what I saw, because I've seen a lot of
those images of fordo over thelast few days and then I saw
this after just one afterpicture of it.
Um, the reason you can't tellis because, basically, if you
went and kicked a sand dune,what would happen?
Right, it would still look likea sand dune right, it would
just be in a different shape.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
I think that's what happened.
Is that that upper surfacelayer is probably, if you were
there, it's totally rearrangedfrom what you had seen the day
before?
Yeah, but from the sky it justlooks like some sand shifted
from one direction to another.
Okay, you know what I'm saying?
That's, what it looks like tome is that it basically the sand
rolled downhill.
But if you were there in personyou'd be like, oh my god,
that's a 200 foot wall of sandthat fell down that hill.
(16:13):
You know like it's not a minorchange, yeah, but from the
satellite it just looks like thesand right?
Speaker 2 (16:18):
yeah, you know, I thought that.
I thought it was interesting,though.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Yeah, but I think it's just proof that it
penetrated the ground, you knowlike yeah, so yeah, yeah, just
not knowing the explosion wasunderground right more than you
know above the surface at all.
So I I think to me that'sprobably an indication that it
went as deep as it needed to.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Yeah, yeah, it was more effective.
Yeah, so, because there's not acrater.
Yeah so, yeah, yeah.
And so those b2s they took offfrom Whiteman, flew and returned
back.
The ones from Diego Garcia thatmoved last week moved around.
They're still there in the area.
Another interesting part of theattacks was that and we used
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our submarines in these launches, so, and since then the Strait
of Hormuz has been closed.
I'm not sure which side theylaunched those on.
I kind of want to look that upnow.
But using our nuclear-capablesubs, because they're always
armed, they always have, youknow, when they go out to sea
(17:27):
have, yeah, you know when theygo out to sea, uh, so having
them pop up in their waterslaunch missiles is another huge,
huge, like uh flex.
I keep telling people liketwo-thirds of our nuclear triad
just stretched their legs as ashow of force.
Um, and you know that'sterrifying, like I've been in
those you know war rooms whereyou see the uh, the body totals
and stuff like that.
Like it's horrific what canhappen when my nuclear stuff
(17:49):
gets involved.
But again we're at thediplomacy stage of well, we're
cool if you're cool, nobody'scool man.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
That's true, that's very true.
Well, you know, and theprecision was there, the OPSEC
was good enough, right?
We don't know who did or didn'tknow.
We telegraphed the fact thatsomething was going to happen.
Either way, ayatollah himselftook over the airwaves and was
(18:23):
like we're sorry everybody.
And he was like we'll never doanything bad, ever again.
I'm going to step down and mycousin, who's super not
religious, he's going to be incharge.
Now, if they had done that, wemight not have blown it up, but
we were probably still going toblow them up anyway, right, yeah
, it was already penciled in Twoweeks, Two weeks.
(18:44):
That was the most unbelievablepiece of all of it.
Right, it was like what is that?
What is he talking about?
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Yeah, but he's the.
So I just read here are somemore things coming out about him
.
After the Tiananmen Squarething, in like 89, he was being
interviewed in like 1991, 92something and he like praised
the Chinese government.
He's like that's a stronggovernment, he was impressed
with the strength, yeah, andthat's just the type of person
(19:11):
he is, so like he's looking fora reason to go in there and do
this.
And very little threat rightnow to American people until
they respond Right, yeah, andthen we'll see what those
proxies do.
Because the the Houthis, beforepresident Trump even spoke, the
Houthis said like no, we'recoming for you.
(19:32):
Yeah, like so.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
So the folks in Yemen , like anybody in that area, and
well, that, and that takes usto the next part of the
conversation, which is what dowe think the response is going
to be?
So, now that we've kind ofclearly, you know, we, we, we,
the United States, has executeda limited strike, we have not
really done any other show offorce as far as like maneuvering
or anything, um, so it's, it'sbelievable, right that maybe we
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did.
We have done what we came to doand, barring any other
aggression, we would notcontinue to blow stuff up there.
I think that's believable,regardless of where you sit in
the fight right now.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
No, because we can reach out and touch somebody
pretty quick.
Well sure.
I know we can, but Just becausewe haven't moved more assets
there, because we already movedan aircraft carrier there
earlier this year.
We already are stacked in thatregion.
The South China Sea is not farand we have things there, Sure.
So we already have enoughthings that can quickly reach
(20:30):
out and touch them if they wantto have a conversation.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yeah, yeah, In modern warfare it's not like it takes
30 days to bring the heat.
No, I agree.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Yeah, so I don't believe that our posture in that
regards says that we're doneOkay posture on in that regards
says that we're done okay.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
So that brings us to.
You know, we can understandwhat we believe, based on our
american bias, based on ourveteran bias, based on our
understanding of donald trumpall that informs the american
side of it.
But what do we think theiranians believe is happening
right now?
Speaker 2 (21:00):
you know, I mean what's their take on it.
Like you know, I kind ofmentioned earlier, this is kind
of a Pearl Harbor type event forthem.
You know it that?
Speaker 1 (21:12):
was their crown jewel right, their nuclear capability
.
As far as government's promiseto the people Right Was that
we're going to maintain power inthe region Right by doing what
we're doing here.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
It really got them capable of staying competitive
in the 21st century here, right,wrong or indifferent when it
comes to them having nuclearcapabilities, they had them and
they relied on them heavily.
And not just, you know, becausewhen these centrifuges are
spinning, a lot of the uraniumgets used for their powers, for
(21:46):
hospitals, things like that.
Uh, it's the extra stuff, thatthe cape that we lost kind of
track of, the capability totrack that, that yellow cake
that falls out when you spin it,enough, um, but uh, that, that,
that all that other stuff likethe the average citizen doesn't
know about.
Like their nuclear arms program, right, they know that when
(22:07):
they they get dialysis from thisnuclear powered you know
hospital, sure you know what Imean like.
So now you're, we're takingthose things away from a people
that already do not like us and,like you know, we stick our
nose in a lot of places thatshouldn't be.
And now, even with thisconflict, with the closing of
the Strait of Hormuz, that's 20%of the world's oil production.
(22:32):
Trapped on one side of that,yeah trapped on one side of that
now and just stopping the flowand that's going to directly
affect them again, Just becausewe're not getting our oil and
our plastics and everything likethat's their lifeblood Right,
so like they're going to feel ittoo Well and it's more critical
to them, you know, becausethat's basically their only
(22:53):
export Right.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
That's internationally valuable right.
Yeah, Makes them, like you said, a player on the international
scene.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yeah, so now you know , as an Iranian citizen sitting
there in the dark.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
You can't rig the market as much you can't export
to oil, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
But again, as the average citizen sitting there,
you know 90 million people.
Wherever it is those folkssitting there, they don't care
so much about the geopolitics ofit all.
They know that they don't havepower now.
They know that theirinfrastructure won't get fixed
because all of their money fromthe oil you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
So like they're going to be living in a war zone for
a long time, Okay, so there's atwo that I appreciate that you
brought that up as far as thecitizens versus the government
and there being a different kindof taken sentiment on the
impact equals what they thinkabout, right?
Um, I'm thinking about it fromthe government, the iranian
(23:52):
government perspective, as faras, like, what do they have to
lose or what do they have togain by, you know, doing some
other level of attacks?
Um, but then our uh, or, excuseme, not necessarily just the us
position, there's this nascentidea of regime change out there
that Israel, of course, wants,right, because they believe that
they could somehow influencethe next regime like from
(24:15):
scratch.
Right, can we start with squareone and figure it out?
Has that worked with anybody?
Speaker 2 (24:20):
in that region.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
That's happened over and over and over again in that
region, and you haven't madefriends with anybody yet.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Right, you know.
Yeah, if Eric Spring didn'tteach you anything, it's like
the next guys in line don't likeyou either.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Don't care, yeah, so, but I understand their desire
for like, well, these peoplehave repeated themselves 1000
times that they want to, youknow, river to the CS, right?
Maybe the next people will haveonly said it a hundred times,
you know, and so that's, maybethat's their position.
I think the?
U, the U S government, the U Speople don't care necessarily so
much about regime change, butthe U?
(24:53):
S government, we're alwaysabout some regime change, right?
Well, that's kind of our thing.
Yeah, I think we get a punchcard, I think our next one, the
next one's free, yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
We get to install the next government for free, Make
them pay for it.
We've heard that somewherewe're going to open hotels in
Gaza and we'll make Iran pay forit.
Right?
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Don't give them any ideas.
You get a timeshare.
You get a timeshare.
But the Iranian government.
They've had problems with theirpopulation, never so much where
it was really a chance oftoppling.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I thought a few years ago we had a chance.
I really hope that Americawould have leaned a little
harder on that one.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
That's what I'm saying.
It seemed like it might havehappened a couple times in the
last 20 years, but it didn'tRight yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Yeah.
So now all those dissonantpeople, though they can very
easily become sympathetictowards their government right
and most of the pundit.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
You know talk that I heard about people that have
gone to iran, which I've notreally, you know, I don't
interact with people from iranthat much, so people with a
little more of a firsthand lookon it were like, honestly, most
people are going to turn moresympathetic after this situation
Even your average person, whomaybe wouldn't you know Towards
the Iranian, towards the Iranianregime, and become more
patriotic towards Iran and theAyatollah.
(26:14):
We saw it, yeah, we've seen it.
So they said that's much morelikely to happen than them.
Take the opportunity to like,rise up, right, they don't think
they have any way to do that?
Like and not make their ownsituation even worse.
Yeah, and so that there'd bemore loyalty out of this than
dissidence.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Right and probably right, I mean, it's just like
you said, pearl harbor yeah,pearl harbor 9-11 right, like
they had that moment yesterday.
So and I've been hearing a lotof uh, I got friends in
different networks and they talkabout the, the right wing
message boards and stuff likethat.
There's a lot of people gettingon board with the Islamophobia
(26:54):
and attacking Iran.
You know, on American soil,Like they get talking about
attacks again on Muslim people.
Sure, which you know.
I actually want to kind of talkto the other side of that too.
Sure, which you know, Iactually want to kind of talk to
the other side of that too.
When we're talking aboutresponses, you know, with the
Iranian government, theirresponses, you know, aren't
going to be, or don't have to be, limited to the Middle East.
(27:14):
There's always been talks ofsleeper cells and other
different cells in America, andwhen they said like hey, you
guys started this, we're goingto finish it, Like I think
they're going to try and call upevery sleeper cell that they
have, and so that's really whereI wanted the conversation about
their response to go is hmm,are they willing to set
(27:38):
themselves on fire to try to wina fight with America?
And I say, try to win, it's anasymmetric lineup, no matter how
you do it right From a militaryperspective, from an economy
perspective, from an overalljust capability of the
population perspective, but froma timing perspective, if they
were to do something now, whenAmerica is already so divided,
(28:03):
and if Trump tries to dosomething like a martial law in
areas and things like that, whenthe people are so against the
Iranians.
So if there's some attack hereon US soil and it gets
attributed back to Iran and theytry to do some sort of martial
law or try to, like you know,have more control Camp type
situation or something.
Right.
Will our people allow that tohappen?
I mean shit, we're alreadyallowing people to get exported
(28:26):
to El Salvador.
But I think, timing-wise, Irancould attack and not spend as
many resources, because we wouldshoot ourselves in the foot.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
I see what you're saying there could be.
Well, as with all asymmetricwarfare, you have to get an
outsized effect for your.
Your punch has to carry morethan it's worth.
Your punch has to carry morethan it's worth.
You know.
Your punch has to hurt, andthat's, I guess.
What I'm saying is they wouldhave to pull a lot of asymmetric
attacks in a fairly quicksequence or in a strategic way
(28:58):
to where they compound on eachother.
Right.
I'm not as worried about andloyal sleeper cells.
I mean, you know we've seenthings where concerts get shot
up and, unfortunately, you know,like public places get attacked
, cars drive down busy streetson the 4th of July, some of that
kind of stuff might happen.
Sleeper cell activity like that,any death is terrible, but
we're talking, like you know, 10, 20 people, not like 9-11 level
(29:21):
terrorism.
I don't think they have thattype of facility here right now,
type of facility here right now.
One thing that could have thatkind of death toll is, um, cyber
attacks on criticalinfrastructure, which iran has
proven that they have thecapability they have been caught
inside us infrastructure toinclude private, like water
systems and power systems.
So again, what I'm I guess whatI'm saying is is like are they
(29:45):
willing to do something that isclearly over the line, like hit
five water systems all at onceand then it's guaranteed
destruction?
Speaker 2 (29:55):
You know what I'm saying?
We've already stood down all ofour not all of our, but we've
already stood down a good chunkof our cyber defenses.
Well, yes, that's true.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
We stood down the Russian task force, who again
works very closely with Iran.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
A lot of the CISA got dismissed right.
And their mission gotdowngraded.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Yeah, so like those firewalls and those stops are
already removed, there's lesspeople watching the line for
sure, yeah, so they could getaway with it and not even really
be attributed right away, Rightright.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yes, but that's what I'm saying, though, is we would
attribute it to them, even if itwasn't them right.
Somebody else could hack thewest and then blame it on them
and be like I ran did it, butthat's my point is like would
they be willing to cross thoselines where you're really going
to poke the bear and then youjust get destroyed, like it
right now?
If they tap dance through this,they get to stay in.
The regime could stay.
There's a way for the regime tostay in power.
If they turn the lights off inthree or four states and taint a
(30:55):
water supply, that's not goingto happen.
The regime is going to changeand the people are going to get
kind of stepped on.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
They're not going to exist for hundreds of years.
That will be contaminated.
It's going to be bad.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
And so that's what I'm saying is, do they want to
poke the bear like that, or isit going to be contained to a
few rockets at a few bases, afew rockets at some ships, with
some commercial ships?
you know, like the same kind ofstuff we're used to seeing them
do?
Or are they really going to tryand do something that really
hurts the American people orhomeland?
(31:27):
Not our projected forces wedon't really care about.
If you keep blowing up tankersin the Middle East, People don't
get off the couch for oiltankers.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Even shutting down the Strait isn't going to have
the effect that they think.
It is because, with Trump inthe office, he's looking for a
reason to increase our domesticproduction, so he'll just
increase our domestic production.
Yeah, we got ways around thatissue, like we're not as
hamstrung by that.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
This is sensitivity as it used to be.
Yeah, yeah and and so, yeah,their leverage there is even
less.
So I guess that's what I'msaying can do.
Would they execute a deathknell type attack?
That really would cause somedamage to america, not like
critical, but you know a couplethousand people might die.
You know we might have someserious problems for a few
months, but, like, then they'rejust gone you know like are they
(32:15):
willing?
to do that, or do they believethat that would even happen?
I don't know.
What do they believe wouldhappen?
Why did they test those systemsto figure out how to get into
our cyber systems If they didn'thave some intention to do
something?
Speaker 2 (32:26):
right, yeah, it's not just a, it wasn't in case.
Yeah, right, exactly, you don'tforward, deploy stuff like that
to just check it out I mean,the saber rattling is kind of
standard, what we know for, likenorth korea, even iran, you
know, you know these bigdictatorships, you know they
have to saber rattle to to keeptheir people um, believe in the.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Kool-Aid.
Jingle the keys in front of thebaby, exactly.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Yeah, just keep drinking this Kool-Aid.
Yeah, but in this case and withyou know their history that we
already talked about with kindof being a divided country, like
they have the support right nowto really push for Israel to be
wiped off the map, Sure, and Ithink that'll be their focus
more than America for now.
(33:10):
So I think they'll still focuson Israel because they can get
more support locally.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
And a lot more bang for the buck too.
They can actually shoot Israel.
They can't shoot us.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Yeah, and, like you said, the cooperation there is
so clear they can still say heylook, we're still wiping Israel
off the map without directlyengaging us too much.
But I think the concern withwhat's going to happen is it's
(33:43):
going to be more proxies hittingall of our resources around the
area, and those proxies arealways.
You know, they attributethemselves to them, but you
can't really tie them.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
It's a funding line and that's it.
There's no.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
it's a decentralized kind of and that's always been
enough in the past for us to saylike, okay, iran, we're not.
We know you gave them money,but you better.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Right, but I don't think that.
Like all the people in Syria.
Right, they always kind ofcalled, drew that line.
I'm like Iran's got theirfinger in the pie.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
But they're not wearing Iranian military
uniforms, right?
Speaker 2 (34:17):
So yeah, so like, but I don't think the Trump
administration's that, you know.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
So, uh, so yeah, if the proxies, the proxies could
draw iran, big, big iran, intothe war faster than what they,
what they're anticipating, sureyeah, I agree with you that the
focus on is real and basically,um, you know, trying to rally
people to destroy israel isprobably, uh, more likely.
(34:45):
Um, I unfortunately israel andwhat they've done in gaza
whether your support you knowthe fact they flattened gaza or
not it puts them in a really badlight right now.
Yeah, where I thought, you know, I'll just, we're gonna, I'm
gonna take a very neutralobserver position on this.
Everybody could get upset or notget upset, but, um, israel blew
(35:08):
up every hospital in thepalestinian territory within the
first month of theircounter-strike.
I mean, every single one ofthem.
They blew them all up.
And now they said that hamaswas in the basement and hamas
was running, you know, commandcenters.
Maybe they were and they couldhave been totally true and that
could have been a valid militarytarget, but it doesn't matter
because they blew up a bunch ofhospitals.
(35:29):
And then here's the point ofthe story um, a hospital in tel
aviv got hit and it man, israelwas like this is it, this is the
red line.
Blood of civilians is a no-go.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
We're gonna flatten out, we're gonna, and
everybody's like we're going toroll on our end.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Huh, yeah, and this is like wait, wait, wait.
You shot a hospital yesterday.
You know what I'm saying youshot it for the 10th time
yesterday with a tank.
You knew that you were shooting.
It wasn't a mistake, it didn'tfall off course.
You were 100 yards away and youblew the walls out with a tank.
Yeah, they're not going to getthe sympathy on the
international community.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
You can't have your cake and eat it too.
You know what I'm saying you?
Speaker 1 (36:09):
can't.
Nobody's going to cry aboutyour hospital because Gaza, and
you may have the right to havedone everything you did in Gaza,
but then that takes away yourright to ask for support when it
happens to you.
You can't, you just can't.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
You can't.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
You just can't.
You know, yeah, you know.
And so when they all, all thepoliticians from Israel, went to
the hospital over throughoutthe course of that day and used
it as the rallying cry likeblood of civilians, come on man.
Like that's also your rallyingcry for why you're in Gaza.
It's like cause they took theblood of civilians.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Like, come on One thing that I read this morning
because it was about RussianMedvedev.
He's talking about how othercountries might feed nukes to
Iran and stuff like that.
But one of the comments on thearticle brought up a really good
point about Medvedev is apropaganda specialist for the
(37:05):
Russian people.
Like he says stuff for therussian people, yeah, and when
western media starts grabbingtheir propaganda and spreading
it, it just it feeds them andhelps them out.
So much, um, it's kind of thesame thing there where, like we
have so like those politiciansgoing to that hospital, that was
propaganda for their people,yeah, and like I don't think
(37:25):
people really understand theimpact of that.
Like it goes everywhere.
Now it, yeah, and like I don'tthink people really understand
the impact of that.
Like it goes everywhere now it'snot like you can't just say
things in front of your peopleget them right, right right
everybody else is going to seethat too and they're like, no
like they're gonna, they'regonna call you on it yeah, like,
like people don't understandthat propaganda just gets
flooded on both sides, left andright, to confuse and muddy the
(37:47):
waters at each locality.
So now that we're in such aconnected world, now we're
getting propaganda from allthese other things.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
And that's how you get the meme.
You get a meme where it showsthe picture of the Israeli
hospital blown up and then itshows five flat places in Gaza
where there's no hospitalsanymore.
They're like let's trade who'sthe greatest basketball player
of all time?
Speaker 2 (38:11):
you know how many rings do you have?
Do the math, you know.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
So it was that happened this week.
Yeah, so I mean I think you'reright that keeping the pressure
on trying to to destroy israeluh, makes sense.
It keeps them.
I guess it perpetuates all thelevel of conflict that they're
basically thriving in, if youcould say that they thrive from.
So, without them trying tolaunch a totally death-enticing
(38:40):
sort of situation with America,they can keep taking shots at
Israel and kind of regroup, stayalive, you know.
Stay to fight another day,rally their people and
everything.
Yeah, stay to fight another day, for sure.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
One thing that you know with all this stuff going
on here locally being inColorado Springs, you know we
have NORAD NORTHCOM here.
We see a lot of interestingvehicles in the sky.
I got some experience in thenuclear enterprise and it's
really interesting to see whenthese things kick off the
(39:13):
activity that we see around town.
I think earlier I saw a Takamo,which is like a Navy, take
charge and move out where theycan do command and control of
our nuclear forces.
Gotcha, there's NAOX, which islike an E6.
It looks like an old Senate,but I think that was the one
that you saw.
It looks kind of like just awhite plane a ton of antennas on
(39:34):
it that you can literallycontrol the world from.
Yeah, they're crazy and there'salways one in the sky or warm
to take off or something likethat.
Incredible crews that fly onthose things also.
But we see a lot of those herelocally.
Last week before the no Kingsprotest, we saw a lot of
helicopters downtown workingwith CSPD and things like that,
(39:59):
learning to extract people.
But people need to understandthat even though we have things
going down here locally, this issuch a critical national spot.
A lot of these helicopters arejust moving important people to
important places to makeimportant decisions.
You know there's a lot ofmovements going around here.
(40:19):
Um, people track it prettyclosely, like what's going on on
the flight line, things likethat.
Uh, everybody needs to realizethat this is a, this is going to
be a big hub and there's goingto be a lot of activity in our
area.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Yeah, yeah, the abnormal should seem normal for
a little while.
Like why are all those planesup?
Well, there's a lot going on.
Yeah, you know, I've got onetoo that I used to, when you're,
when you're an intelligence guy, you are oftentimes you're
doing your job remotely andyou're you're watching something
that's happening somewheretotally different part of the
world, and I always used to tryand like I would try and sort of
(40:53):
think through the, through thesoda straw out, to like where am
I, what am I looking at rightnow, and what are those people
doing?
Right, they're on a, they're ona military base somewhere
flying airplanes around, and I'mand I'm watching their activity
from somewhere else in theworld.
And then you remember, oh yeah,they do that to us too, right
yeah?
And then you're like, wait aminute, I'm watching people take
(41:14):
off in these special fighterjets and fly around in circles
in the sky and then it tookyears of doing this.
And then one day I'm watching.
I think I was up at Buckley andI was watching airplanes take
off and fly around in flyingcircles in the sky.
And I think I was up at Buckleyand I was watching airplanes
take off and fly around inflying circles in the sky and I
was like some dude in China issitting there with headsets on
and he's saying Colorado flightfour airplanes up in active
(41:35):
flying racetrack.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
And he was saying it in.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Chinese and I was like that dude is watching this
right now.
How dare them?
And they're talking about itjust like we're talking about it
.
And they're talking about it,just like we're talking about it
.
And so it is.
Absolutely.
There is strategy in giving youknow.
Military deception or confusionis a thing, right.
And so flying around a bunch ofairplanes and helicopters into
(41:59):
places that you don't normallyfly them is great.
When you're trying to confuse astrategic level enemy of like,
where should we watch?
What should we look for?
And if they got three or fourbases that they watched in
forever, per you know, no matterwhat kind of military
operations are going on, andthen eight different bases all
start having the same kind ofactivity, it really is confusing
to the intelligence forces, uh,you know.
(42:21):
And to the like planners oflike, oh, oh, I thought those
were the only four bases thatcould even do that.
Now they have 12.
Ah, that's a bit.
That's a big difference, youknow.
And so those kind of activitiesalso take place, and if you're
standing on the ground near anybase in the united states,
you're never going to know ifthose people are doing training.
If they're doing, they won'tknow that they're doing military
(42:43):
deception.
They're just told to go and flythe airplanes a lot.
Next, week.
Nobody tells them why you knowthey're like.
You need to put some hours onthat engine, All right you know,
so and so those activities, youknow they can be a little
spooky, and especially if you'resomebody who's lived here in
Colorado Springs your whole lifeand you're like I've never seen
one of those, I've never seenthat one.
You know that freaks peoplesometimes.
Yeah definitely can.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Yeah, it was one time I saw the Guppy there.
Did you ever see that?
It was the plane that used tofly the Atlantis shuttle.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
Oh yeah, Like the space shuttles around.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
It's a ridiculous looking plane, yeah, but like
it's one of those ones wherewhen you see it, you're like,
well, that's unique, that's seeweird things here, yeah, um, so
you know, keep your eyes on theskies, but keep your head about
you if anything is.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
You know, if you live here in colorado springs, you
know enjoy the show, I guessright, yeah you know they're,
they're, you're safe rightthere's nothing.
There's no them doing whatthey're doing.
If anything, you'll see themfor a few days and then they're
going to disappear right, andthen you won't see them again
you know.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
So yeah, yeah, yeah.
If we see them all disappear,that's when you need to worry.
Just go watch the news.
You know.
So yeah, yeah, yeah.
If we see them all disappear,that's when you need to worry.
Just go watch the news.
You know, sometime in the next24 hours something's going to
happen.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Right, so well, I you know I feel like we've covered
it.
Um, I guess you know partingwords is uh, anybody that's in
theater right now.
You know our, our, uh, ourconcern is with you.
Our prayers are with you.
Uh, if you are on one of thoseships that are trapped on the
wrong side of the straight tohard moves right now which I'm
sure there's at least one or twoout there that sailed in
thinking they were going to sailback out, and they're not doing
(44:14):
that right now, you know we, uh, we're, we were thinking about
you and we're, we're, we carethat you get out safe.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, y'all.
Uh stay safe.
And yeah, I don't even know howto end it after that.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
I don't know We'll see you all next week and I'm
sure there'll be some of ourpredictions.
We'll find out.
Did they saber rattle?
Did they?
What happened?
If the power's still on right,if Iran doesn't turn the power
off right, yeah, so we've gotlike four days till we record
World.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
War III or whatever.
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