April 20, 2025 • 32 mins
This podcast episode, hosted by Hess and Delbert, revolves around the themes of new beginnings, growth, and introspection, inspired by the arrival of spring and the celebration of Easter and Passover. They share personal reflections on the beauty of springtime, the symbolism of renewal, and cherished memories from their childhood, involving religious experiences and school days.
Throughout the conversation, they touch upon important societal issues, emphasizing critical thinking, compassion, and active participation in social and political matters. Hess mentions her participation in a protest, and both hosts discuss the importance of standing up for justice and informed action. They highlight the significance of obtaining news from reliable sources and engage in discussions about empathy, love, and unity, drawing parallels with religious teachings, especially the life and messages of Jesus Christ.
The episode also introduces the concept of somatic experiencing for emotional and mental well-being, suggesting techniques to manage discomfort and move forward. Delbert and Hess conclude with reminders to support the common good, engage in productive dialogue, and wish their listeners a joyous and reflective spring and holiday season.
Update on my friend José and his cancer treatments. After the first rounds of chemo, after new scans--the good news is that the tumor in the colon has shrunk, but they have increased in his liver. His oncologist has increasd the power of the chemo to help irradicate it elsewhere. Thank you so much for your support to Jose!
https://gofund.me/e6f61999
In addition to being a podcast host, Hess is also an LCSW--if you'd like to learn more about her work as a therapist, check it out at www.jessicabollinger.com
One of her mission's is for all of our lights to shine--when we see each other and allow ourself to be seen--and we can say to the person in front of us, There You Are! the world will be an amazing place!
Delbert is a realtor in Louisville, KY, and you can find her at Kentucky Select Properties
Her philanthropic work to continue her sister Carole and niece Meghan is Carole's Kitchen. Blessings in a Backpack helps feed the many hungry students in our schools. The instagram account is: https://www.instagram.com/caroleskitchen.nonprofit?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igsh=ZDNlZDc0MzIxNw==
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Hess (00:01):
Hey, thank you so much for tuning in to Let me tell you
this about that.
My name's Hess.
Delbert (00:10):
Hey, this is Delbert coming to you live from the
green couch.
Again, happy Easter, everybodyor Passover whatever you're
celebrating today.
It's a beautiful day inLouisville, Kentucky.
How's it looking there inLexington, Hess.
Hess (00:27):
So I'm in the white chair by my window in my bedroom, and
I'm looking out through thebackyard and I'm seeing the
apple blossoms.
I'm seeing green, I'm seeingTyler's big ball out there in
the yard.
I'm seeing the asparagus pushingup in the garden, we added some
compost to the other part of thegarden.
I'm seeing some dark rich brownthere where I'll be planting
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tomatoes later on.
Yeah, looking out and bringingthe, my crews bringing the rest
of the horses in this morning.
It's all good.
Delbert (00:59):
It's what I love about springtime.
It's a new beginning, it's a newday.
And I, for me, growing upCatholic Easter I love it so
much for all the symbolism for,new beginnings.
It's almost if you didn't.
Get it right in the new year.
Maybe you didn't start out.
Hey, it's springtime.
It's a new fresh start, wake upand it's a new day.
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Things are blooming.
There's just life and nature allaround you.
So just take that all in andmake that a new beginning for
you, for whatever it is that'son your mind, that's on your
heart.
Hess (01:37):
That's beautiful.
That's beautiful.
Delbert.
And now I'm seeing a bunch ofpurple Martins all flying around
the yard.
The,
Delbert (01:44):
Oh wow.
Hess (01:45):
purple Martin houses have been reinstalled.
They go about the end of August,they start traveling back to
Brazil and they come back to thesame place where they had.
Where they had made their nestbefore and they really rely a
whole lot on humans putting uppurple martin boxes.
(02:09):
yeah.
Yeah.
So it's really cool.
That's what I'm seeing flyingaround in the yard.
Delbert (02:14):
Love it.
Love it.
I yesterday I revisited oureighth grade year.
I was cleaning my house and likemy mom used to play music when
she cleaned and when I clean up,I've already said I feel close
to her.
'cause she loved a clean house.
So I was listening to JesusChrist Superstar and I.
(02:36):
Mopping my living room floorsand just singing away to all the
songs and just took me back toeighth grade when Sister Maria
and Father Flynn introduced usto that soundtrack and we just
fell in love with that.
We, would act it out, play allthe parts on the playground.
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Dewey was our friend Nancy, whoyou've heard us talk about.
She wanted to play Jesus.
And we were like, you got it.
Go.
And then our other friend, MaryDenny, she recognized how
awesome the songs for Judaswere.
And so she's I'll, and so Deweyand Mary Denny had this great,
back and forth.
Song they did together.
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And then Mary Wright, yourcousin and I had a sing off for
Mary Magdalene and she wasbummed out that I beat her up,
but I said, you know what?
Why don't you beat Caiaphas orher?
They've got great songs too.
We were really about the songs.
And then Hess and Tina.
Mary Kay.
All of our other friends on theplayground were the disciples.
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And we'd all sing all the songs.
Hosanna Hana the song from theLast Supper when they sing about
shoot till this morning wasthese, was this evening.
Life was fine.
Love that.
Hess (03:53):
And
Delbert (03:54):
Love that.
Part one of the one of the linesin the song is they say, look at
all my trials and tribulationssinking in a gentle pool of
wine.
And they say, till this eveningwas, till this morning was the e
this evening, life was fine.
Look what happened in a day.
They're at the last supper.
Look what happened, look, What'sthe buzz?
(04:15):
Tell me what's happening.
All the great songs that theapostle sang, we were just into
it.
We did it the whole year.
And I went to my sister's houselast night and I said, I
listened to Jesus ChristSuperstar while I was cleaning
my house.
And she's oh my gosh.
Every time I hear that, I thinkabout you and your friends on
the playground.
So anyway I called Hess and I'mlike, Hess, that whole
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soundtrack just makes me thinkabout, a crowd mindset.
One day, you know their Hanawith Jesus, and the next day
they're saying, crucify him.
And you think about going backthrough Christianity and going
back through history.
We've had so many times whenthere's been a crowd mentality
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where people get swayed byhearsay.
Rumors.
And I told Hess I felt like Ineeded to say something I've
told you about my papa, beingone of the people who freed a
concentration camp, and I seethat prison in El Salvador, and
I have to say, it looks like aconcentration camp to me.
(05:23):
I just feel like I needed to saysomething.
So listeners we want everybodyto be welcome and to be able to
listen and you can certainlysend us your opinion.
But really my message today isbe a critical thinker.
Stretch outside your comfortzone.
Listen to everyone.
Listen to everyone and try toget that news from several
(05:47):
sources because I think we're.
We could be heading down a baddirection in history.
Hess (05:54):
Get it from, get Your News from really good sources.
I read The Guardian.
I read The Atlantic.
I watch PBS News at night.
Fox News, they've said, we arenot news.
And they, they had to say thatthey said that because they had
(06:18):
lawsuits against them they saidwe're not news, we're
entertainment.
Please just flip a few channels,Google and try to find really
good sources.
So Delbert, I thought about, Iwent to the protest yesterday
here in Lexington and sent youthose pictures from there.
Delbert (06:37):
I'm so proud of you, Hess.
Hess (06:40):
As the pod today it's new beginnings and in new
beginnings, we gotta feel it.
We gotta move into action and wegotta use our voice when
something doesn't feel right.
Because that's how we move intosomething different is we need
to move towards joy, right?
If something feelsuncomfortable, what do we need
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to do?
We need to sit with the feeling,not push it away.
It's important and we don'twanna numb it.
We, you have to acknowledge it.
And then also we've talkedbefore.
Don't let that feelingconstrict.
You don't let it freeze you.
And Peter Levine is apsychotherapist and he developed
(07:22):
the work of somatic experience.
So I wanna explain that to you.
Somatic experience is where youfocus your, in your attention on
the internal sensations ratherthan the cognitive your
thinking.
And so one of the somatictechniques that he demonstrates
is taking a full deep breath.
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When you exhale it to make thesound deep from your belly, like
voooh, and then take a deepbreath in and Vooh and do that a
few times rest and just noticethe sensations in your body and
then move physically, move.
He points out that when we'restudying, when they study polar
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bears and they shoot atranquilizer into the polar
bear, and then they can take theinformation on the Bear's health
and they put a tracker on it orwhatever.
When the bear wakes up, Delbert,it slowly gets up and then he or
she does this big shake and thenit moves on.
And Delbert, when you talk aboutnew beginnings.
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The movement.
To me, this movement is the newbeginning.
It's an action that we move intoand that action makes a
different, it's a difference.
It's a step.
then after we take that step,then we take another step and do
the next best thing.
Delbert (08:44):
Exactly.
Hess (08:45):
So to me, spring is a part of all the moving forward.
The daffodils first showed ustheir little yellow smiley
faces, right?
And now the red and purpletulips are up in my yard.
The apple blossoms are in fullrampage, and then here you are
blasting Jesus Christ,superstar, as you clean your
house with dawn yesterdayafternoon.
Delbert (09:08):
And I, and I'm just having all these beautiful
feelings about growing up andhow free we felt, to just be
singing and acting all this outevery day on the playground.
And I look up and there's myDesiderata that my Papa Charlie
gave me when I graduated fromeighth grade.
And he framed it using, ofcourse, construction wood, and,
Hess (09:31):
he stole from your dad's work site.
Delbert (09:33):
He borrowed and and it's a window pane.
It's glass from a window is howhe framed it.
And, I'm like I need to honorhim and speak my mind.
I need to honor what he did somuch.
So I've got that hanging in myliving room and I was just
having a full on eighth grademoment yesterday.
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And a feeling, feeling how luckywe were to be able to express
ourselves that way.
Hess (10:00):
empower.
We felt empowered by singingOurselves.
Yeah.
Delbert (10:04):
did, we, I told you Mitzi Petri and Vicki Petri,
their mom was our cheerleadingcoach, and Mitzi was in our
class.
They called me the other day.
And we just talked so much abouthow lucky we were to grow up and
to have the direction that wehad and to be able to play
sports and, express ourselves inthe arts and all the things that
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we were exposed to.
What a great.
What a great time.
What a great childhood we had.
And so I think we're so lucky.
We need to help people in thatmeaning, even if it's just got
gently guiding you in adirection to open your eyes and
experience the world in a newway, to think about things more
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critically.
Hess (10:51):
right.
I remember Delbert in the sixthgrade.
Sister Maria, I was acting out.
I was doing something thatwasn't very good, and she looks
at me eye to eye and she says, Ibeg your pardon, and boom.
Yep, you're right.
In my mind I thought, yeah,you're right.
I'm doing something that reallyisn't, my core self isn't really
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my core goodness or corealiveness.
So like that, excuse me, theHona Hana.
Jesus preached, loving all yourneighbors, even the sick and the
poor.
people exalted him along thatstreet ho on Hana Ho, and he was
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leading example, focusing onlove and forgiveness.
He encouraged people to actkindly and justly in their
interactions.
He taught that we show lovethrough actions and not just
beliefs.
Yeah.
Delbert (11:50):
That's beautiful.
And he was so connected tonature and to children.
Don't forget that part of it, tolove our earth.
Love our children want, we wannamake the world a better place
for them so that they can growup and say they had a wonderful
childhood that they were, Isometimes I feel like maybe my
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grandchildren are gonna have asimilar experience growing up as
we did.
And the fact that, there's a lotof conflict of, the way people
think and I think.
What you believe.
You need to really stand up forit.
You need to protest like Hessdid.
I need to.
(12:33):
I need to do that.
I haven't been involved with oneof our protests here in
Louisville, and I need to dothat.
Hess (12:40):
Delbert, Jesus.
I wanna say more about
Delbert (12:43):
Let's talk more about Jesus.
It's Easter.
Yeah.
Hess (12:46):
He was healing the sick
Delbert (12:47):
Yes.
Hess (12:48):
thousands, and that highlighted his concern for
people's needs.
And that's just like yourmission.
Delbert with Carol's kitchen andblessings in a backpack.
You're feeding the children,they're our future.
And he focused on the coremessage of love and salvation.
Delbert (13:04):
Not judgment, not telling people they're wrong for
what they think or who they loveor how they feel.
Jesus,
Hess (13:11):
was with all, he was with all the people.
Delbert (13:14):
all the.
Hess (13:15):
Delbert, I told you yesterday that I went to go pick
up my boat.
My boat's name is therelationship, two words
relationship, I keep her in thehigh bridge springs.
area, underground storage.
And Highbridge Springs is awater company.
Mr.
Griffith bought this rock quarryin Wilmore, Kentucky, this old
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rock quarry, and there was aleak in the ceiling.
And oh my gosh, what am I gonnado?
It was a spring water leakingthrough the ceiling, so he
started to bottle it.
This is back in the earlyeighties when before bottled
water.
Really?
Now, I asked my dad, Iinterviewed my dad like eight
years ago or so.
He was in his late eighties.
I said, dad, what do you see inyour life now that you thought
(14:02):
you'd never see?
You know what he said?
Delbert (14:05):
Bottled water.
Hess (14:06):
He said bottled water.
I never thought I'd see waterbeing bottled.
So anyway, it's an undergroundstorage place and I'm picking up
my boat and I thought aboutthat.
That clicked in my brain thismorning.
Delbert, actually when I wastaking my shower is I got my
boat out of the cave and Ibrought it out the light.
Delbert (14:22):
Oh wow.
Oh how.
Hess (14:26):
Yeah.
So I'm driving back home downthis country road'cause to
Wilmore, ISS a little two lane,windy, windy road with barely an
edge on the side of the road.
It's not a very busy road, butas I'm coming home before I
reached Wilmore,'cause it's outfurther past Wilmore, was a
fellow walking along the side ofthe road barefoot with long hair
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and I had to slow down.
I had to make sure nobody'scoming.
And I went around and I thought,could be that, that was how
Jesus is represented, beingbarefoot and long hair.
I said that.
That person is Jesus.
And that's a cool thing aboutJesus is teaching that God is in
all of us, right?
Delbert (15:09):
Yes.
Hess (15:10):
and I thought as I'm driving past him, what would
people think?
This person, oh, that person'swalking barefoot.
Is this a street person?
A critical view of this personwho's not dressed.
And that's all judgment.
That's all judgment, so Ithought this could have been
Jesus and it was
Delbert (15:30):
Yeah,
Hess (15:31):
is in everybody walking along the side of the road,
Delbert (15:34):
see Christ in everyone or whatever your faith tells
you.
Everybody.
Is a child of the universe,right?
No less than the trees and thestars, and everyone has a right
to be here.
And the only way we're gonnawork things out is to listen to
each other and to accept eachother with love and peace.
Hess (15:57):
Amen.
Amen.
Jesus, his core message was loveand salvation.
and I'm not a theologian,Delbert, I went to Catholic mass
every Sunday for 45 years of mylife.
And when I was 45 years old, Ilanded at the Unitarian
Universalist Church and there'sno doctrine, but just core
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beliefs and they believe inthese seven principles.
And as soon as I pulled in thatparking lot, Delbert, I totally
related to the bumper stickerson the car.
It's okay.
Delbert (16:31):
Must be in the right place.
Hess (16:33):
So like the first principle, the inherent worth
and dignity of every person.
Okay, that's good.
The second principle, justice,equity and compassion and human
relationship relations.
Yeah.
Third, acceptance of one anotherand encouragement to spiritual
growth in our congregations.
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Fourth, a free and responsiblesearch for truth and meaning.
That's what you're talkingabout, Delbert, to be a critical
thinker.
Five.
The right of conscious and theuse of democratic process within
our congregations and in societyat large.
Yeah, we all have a voice justlike yesterday at the
demonstration.
Delbert (17:13):
Yes.
Hess (17:15):
The sixth principle.
The goal of world community withpeace, liberty, and justice for
all.
We are all on this earth as theladies that went up in space for
10 minutes the other day, up inspace and back down.
You look back down at the earthand we're one globe, we're one,
we're one.
then the seventh principle, thelast one is respect for the
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interdependent web of allexistence, of which we are a
part.
existence, all these differentecosystems.
Us as human beings, we're justone, we're just one species of
all of the different animals andinsects around on the world.
So Delbert,
Delbert (17:55):
Beautiful,
Hess (17:56):
that.
Delbert (17:56):
beautiful.
Love that, love all of it
Hess (18:00):
I'm good with those principles.
Yeah.
Delbert (18:03):
spiritual.
And seven is a very spiritualnumber.
I love that you have seven.
Hess (18:08):
Yeah.
So anyway, back to Jesus.
And you can believe in Jesus andbe UU.
You can believe in Buddha, youcan be Jewish, you could be
agnostic, you could be anything.
And anyway, the celebration ofthe resurrection what we do in
Christianity, Easter.
It's about hope and joy.
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represents victory over deathand the promise of eternal life.
Many see this as proof thatJesus', divine nature and his
teachings about love,redemption, and mercy, through
those events, followers areinspired to embrace faith and
spread kindness.
So in springtime, with theblossoms and the asparagus
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poking up out of the ground andwith warmer days, it's a perfect
time to celebrate resurrection.
Delbert (18:56):
It really is.
I was in a very spiritual frameof mine yesterday, called Hess
and said, Hey, wow.
I've been listening to JesusChrist Superstar and Hess is
such a good friend.
She listened to me.
She said, okay let's do it.
Let's do it.
Hess (19:13):
So all the people that were down there at the
courthouse square yesterday inLexington, they were feeling
something uncomfortable in theirbody.
Something's not right.
I need to speak up, I need toshow up here.
And there's a a movement called50 states, 50 and I know that
there were a whole lot more than50 protests.
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In these 50 states because justin Kentucky alone, there were
protests almost in every city.
Yeah, but we were all therebecause we felt that we're
uncomfortable with the executiveOverreach.
In our government, We each havea voice.
We are the government.
The government is the people.
Delbert (19:52):
That's right.
I love that.
Hess (19:55):
And when you feel this connection, Delbert, that the El
Salvador prison is just like aconcentration camp.
You're feeling that in yourstomach, Your grandfather
walking towards thatconcentration camp, smelling it
for miles away, how these peopleare held captive.
And here in El Salvador, thepictures that you see where
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they're all dressed the same,they have to have their head
shaved.
They're kneeling, they havetheir hands tied behind their
backs.
my gosh.
You are feeling in your gut.
Delbert.
We can't be doing that.
Be doing this.
Delbert (20:27):
And everybody is a human being.
We're all a child of theuniverse, right?
We're all connected.
And I'm not saying that, weshould allow people to, commit
crimes, violent crimes, there's,there is, there's justice for
that.
But let's treat everyone like ahuman being,
Hess (20:50):
There's due process and Albrego Garcia did not get due
process.
It's been claimed that he's anillegal alien, that he's an MS
13 gang member.
That's never been proven.
He had the papers to be here.
He was given a permit to be towork here legally, and they're
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calling a foreign terrorist.
Who should be deported back, whois deported back and the press
Secretary if he ever ends upback in the United States, he'll
be immediately deported again.
Nothing will change in the factthat he will never be a Maryland
father.
He will never live in the UnitedStates of America again, no
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Uhuh, not truth, that's notvalid.
All of those things.
She's holding up a piece ofpaper saying that his wife had a
a domestic violence order andYep, that happened.
she's on the podium.
She's behind the microphonesaying we went to therapy.
I dropped the charges.
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We went to therapy, and weworked it out.
Beautiful.
Delbert (22:03):
You gotta love that Hess as a therapist.
Hess (22:05):
that.
Delbert (22:06):
Yeah.
Hess (22:06):
love that.
Delbert (22:08):
Yeah.
None of us are without fault orwithout flaws or problems in our
lives.
Our relationships we're humanbeings and we just have to give
each other grace.
And I told Hess, I said, I don'treally want our podcast to be
political because I wanteverybody to feel included and
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everyone belongs.
But I also felt like I reallyneeded to say something, and
Hess gave me that grace too.
Say something religious andpolitical on here, and I
appreciate that because I thinkwe can't be a society that stays
silent when we see somethingwrong and whether we agree or
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disagree, let's have a dialogue.
Let's have a peaceful dialogueabout what's going on in our
country right now.
Hess (22:59):
To speak up if you feel it in your gut.
To use your voice aboutanything.
If you hear somebody talk andsmack about somebody else, don't
be silent.
Say, Hey, you know what I don'tlike to hear those kind of
things.
Ooh, okay.
I was talking to a friend thathad been in this bad
relationship with thisnarcissist and, she said she
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didn't allow the narcissist tozero in and not let her do her
little bridge club every weekthat she did.
She just didn't allow, hecriticized and said, you need to
stop doing that.
And she just kept doing it andshe kept, and.
She showed up for what sheneeded to do and he stopped
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bugging her about it.
He knew he couldn't change that.
So you have to do what you knowis right for you and speak up
about it,
Delbert (23:52):
Exactly.
So we hope that you
Hess (23:55):
anything, bridge club,
Delbert (23:57):
Your own, yes, your own life, Your own city, state,
country, and the world.
Stand up for justice, whereverit is.
And so we, we hope that you justhave a beautiful Easter,
beautiful Passover, whateveryou're celebrating today.
Hess (24:16):
Hey, Delbert.
Delbert (24:17):
a new beginning.
What?
Hess (24:20):
Delbert, I wanna say this about that,
Delbert (24:22):
Let's hear this about that.
Hess (24:24):
That's what the pod is.
Y'all.
I heard about this app that youcan get to your phone if there's
things going on.
Delbert (24:30):
Oh.
Hess (24:30):
the, in politics or in the government, that feels
uncomfortable to you, there's anapp called 5 Calls, and that's
what it's called, the numberfive calls.
And if you load that on yourphone, there'll be the list of
different issues and they'll,and the question, Hey, what's.
It's a, it's what's important toyou.
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For instance, there'sinformation where about opposing
funding cuts to N-P-R-P-B-S orbringing Albrego Rego Garcia
home and stop traffickingcivilians to a foreign gulag or
fight the Trump administrationsto defiance of the constitution
and the courts, or protectworkers' safety or demand
(25:16):
unfreezing of FEMA funds.
Or oppose the voter suppressionbill or stop the tariffs save
the National Endowment toHumanities.
That matters to you Delbert,because your darlings are all
into the arts
Delbert (25:31):
Absolutely.
Hess (25:32):
defend scientific progress in the National Institute of
Health.
Protect the forests fromunregulated logging, protect
public health.
And here's another one importantto you.
Delbert is restore USDA fundingfor food banks and schools.
Delbert (25:49):
Yes.
Hess (25:49):
Hossanna Heysanna a get out there.
Delbert (25:55):
Find out what's the buzz, tell me what's happening.
Hess (26:00):
Amen.
Amen.
Woo.
Delbert (26:06):
Thanks for sharing those Hess.
That's awesome.
Hess (26:09):
Thanks for speaking.
What was going on in your bellyDelbert and what you thought,
what you know is important toyou
Delbert (26:20):
thank you it's the new beginning.
Let's be thoughtful about theworld that we're in.
Hess (26:27):
Feel it.
Take a step and then take thenext best step.
We love you all.
Thanks so much for joining us.
Delbert (26:35):
Be sure to like and subscribe and let us know what
you think.
Peace and love.
We love you friends.
Hey, thank you so much for tuning in to Let me tell you
this about that.
My name's Hess.
Delbert (00:10):
Hey, this is Delbert coming to you live from the
green couch.
Again, happy Easter, everybodyor Passover whatever you're
celebrating today.
It's a beautiful day inLouisville, Kentucky.
How's it looking there inLexington, Hess.
Hess (00:27):
So I'm in the white chair by my window in my bedroom, and
I'm looking out through thebackyard and I'm seeing the
apple blossoms.
I'm seeing green, I'm seeingTyler's big ball out there in
the yard.
I'm seeing the asparagus pushingup in the garden, we added some
compost to the other part of thegarden.
I'm seeing some dark rich brownthere where I'll be planting
(00:49):
tomatoes later on.
Yeah, looking out and bringingthe, my crews bringing the rest
of the horses in this morning.
It's all good.
Delbert (00:59):
It's what I love about springtime.
It's a new beginning, it's a newday.
And I, for me, growing upCatholic Easter I love it so
much for all the symbolism for,new beginnings.
It's almost if you didn't.
Get it right in the new year.
Maybe you didn't start out.
Hey, it's springtime.
It's a new fresh start, wake upand it's a new day.
(01:22):
Things are blooming.
There's just life and nature allaround you.
So just take that all in andmake that a new beginning for
you, for whatever it is that'son your mind, that's on your
heart.
Hess (01:37):
That's beautiful.
That's beautiful.
Delbert.
And now I'm seeing a bunch ofpurple Martins all flying around
the yard.
The,
Delbert (01:44):
Oh wow.
Hess (01:45):
purple Martin houses have been reinstalled.
They go about the end of August,they start traveling back to
Brazil and they come back to thesame place where they had.
Where they had made their nestbefore and they really rely a
whole lot on humans putting uppurple martin boxes.
(02:09):
yeah.
Yeah.
So it's really cool.
That's what I'm seeing flyingaround in the yard.
Delbert (02:14):
Love it.
Love it.
I yesterday I revisited oureighth grade year.
I was cleaning my house and likemy mom used to play music when
she cleaned and when I clean up,I've already said I feel close
to her.
'cause she loved a clean house.
So I was listening to JesusChrist Superstar and I.
(02:36):
Mopping my living room floorsand just singing away to all the
songs and just took me back toeighth grade when Sister Maria
and Father Flynn introduced usto that soundtrack and we just
fell in love with that.
We, would act it out, play allthe parts on the playground.
(02:57):
Dewey was our friend Nancy, whoyou've heard us talk about.
She wanted to play Jesus.
And we were like, you got it.
Go.
And then our other friend, MaryDenny, she recognized how
awesome the songs for Judaswere.
And so she's I'll, and so Deweyand Mary Denny had this great,
back and forth.
Song they did together.
(03:18):
And then Mary Wright, yourcousin and I had a sing off for
Mary Magdalene and she wasbummed out that I beat her up,
but I said, you know what?
Why don't you beat Caiaphas orher?
They've got great songs too.
We were really about the songs.
And then Hess and Tina.
Mary Kay.
All of our other friends on theplayground were the disciples.
(03:39):
And we'd all sing all the songs.
Hosanna Hana the song from theLast Supper when they sing about
shoot till this morning wasthese, was this evening.
Life was fine.
Love that.
Hess (03:53):
And
Delbert (03:54):
Love that.
Part one of the one of the linesin the song is they say, look at
all my trials and tribulationssinking in a gentle pool of
wine.
And they say, till this eveningwas, till this morning was the e
this evening, life was fine.
Look what happened in a day.
They're at the last supper.
Look what happened, look, What'sthe buzz?
(04:15):
Tell me what's happening.
All the great songs that theapostle sang, we were just into
it.
We did it the whole year.
And I went to my sister's houselast night and I said, I
listened to Jesus ChristSuperstar while I was cleaning
my house.
And she's oh my gosh.
Every time I hear that, I thinkabout you and your friends on
the playground.
So anyway I called Hess and I'mlike, Hess, that whole
(04:37):
soundtrack just makes me thinkabout, a crowd mindset.
One day, you know their Hanawith Jesus, and the next day
they're saying, crucify him.
And you think about going backthrough Christianity and going
back through history.
We've had so many times whenthere's been a crowd mentality
(05:00):
where people get swayed byhearsay.
Rumors.
And I told Hess I felt like Ineeded to say something I've
told you about my papa, beingone of the people who freed a
concentration camp, and I seethat prison in El Salvador, and
I have to say, it looks like aconcentration camp to me.
(05:23):
I just feel like I needed to saysomething.
So listeners we want everybodyto be welcome and to be able to
listen and you can certainlysend us your opinion.
But really my message today isbe a critical thinker.
Stretch outside your comfortzone.
Listen to everyone.
Listen to everyone and try toget that news from several
(05:47):
sources because I think we're.
We could be heading down a baddirection in history.
Hess (05:54):
Get it from, get Your News from really good sources.
I read The Guardian.
I read The Atlantic.
I watch PBS News at night.
Fox News, they've said, we arenot news.
And they, they had to say thatthey said that because they had
(06:18):
lawsuits against them they saidwe're not news, we're
entertainment.
Please just flip a few channels,Google and try to find really
good sources.
So Delbert, I thought about, Iwent to the protest yesterday
here in Lexington and sent youthose pictures from there.
Delbert (06:37):
I'm so proud of you, Hess.
Hess (06:40):
As the pod today it's new beginnings and in new
beginnings, we gotta feel it.
We gotta move into action and wegotta use our voice when
something doesn't feel right.
Because that's how we move intosomething different is we need
to move towards joy, right?
If something feelsuncomfortable, what do we need
(07:01):
to do?
We need to sit with the feeling,not push it away.
It's important and we don'twanna numb it.
We, you have to acknowledge it.
And then also we've talkedbefore.
Don't let that feelingconstrict.
You don't let it freeze you.
And Peter Levine is apsychotherapist and he developed
(07:22):
the work of somatic experience.
So I wanna explain that to you.
Somatic experience is where youfocus your, in your attention on
the internal sensations ratherthan the cognitive your
thinking.
And so one of the somatictechniques that he demonstrates
is taking a full deep breath.
(07:43):
When you exhale it to make thesound deep from your belly, like
voooh, and then take a deepbreath in and Vooh and do that a
few times rest and just noticethe sensations in your body and
then move physically, move.
He points out that when we'restudying, when they study polar
(08:06):
bears and they shoot atranquilizer into the polar
bear, and then they can take theinformation on the Bear's health
and they put a tracker on it orwhatever.
When the bear wakes up, Delbert,it slowly gets up and then he or
she does this big shake and thenit moves on.
And Delbert, when you talk aboutnew beginnings.
(08:27):
The movement.
To me, this movement is the newbeginning.
It's an action that we move intoand that action makes a
different, it's a difference.
It's a step.
then after we take that step,then we take another step and do
the next best thing.
Delbert (08:44):
Exactly.
Hess (08:45):
So to me, spring is a part of all the moving forward.
The daffodils first showed ustheir little yellow smiley
faces, right?
And now the red and purpletulips are up in my yard.
The apple blossoms are in fullrampage, and then here you are
blasting Jesus Christ,superstar, as you clean your
house with dawn yesterdayafternoon.
Delbert (09:08):
And I, and I'm just having all these beautiful
feelings about growing up andhow free we felt, to just be
singing and acting all this outevery day on the playground.
And I look up and there's myDesiderata that my Papa Charlie
gave me when I graduated fromeighth grade.
And he framed it using, ofcourse, construction wood, and,
Hess (09:31):
he stole from your dad's work site.
Delbert (09:33):
He borrowed and and it's a window pane.
It's glass from a window is howhe framed it.
And, I'm like I need to honorhim and speak my mind.
I need to honor what he did somuch.
So I've got that hanging in myliving room and I was just
having a full on eighth grademoment yesterday.
(09:53):
And a feeling, feeling how luckywe were to be able to express
ourselves that way.
Hess (10:00):
empower.
We felt empowered by singingOurselves.
Yeah.
Delbert (10:04):
did, we, I told you Mitzi Petri and Vicki Petri,
their mom was our cheerleadingcoach, and Mitzi was in our
class.
They called me the other day.
And we just talked so much abouthow lucky we were to grow up and
to have the direction that wehad and to be able to play
sports and, express ourselves inthe arts and all the things that
(10:26):
we were exposed to.
What a great.
What a great time.
What a great childhood we had.
And so I think we're so lucky.
We need to help people in thatmeaning, even if it's just got
gently guiding you in adirection to open your eyes and
experience the world in a newway, to think about things more
(10:49):
critically.
Hess (10:51):
right.
I remember Delbert in the sixthgrade.
Sister Maria, I was acting out.
I was doing something thatwasn't very good, and she looks
at me eye to eye and she says, Ibeg your pardon, and boom.
Yep, you're right.
In my mind I thought, yeah,you're right.
I'm doing something that reallyisn't, my core self isn't really
(11:12):
my core goodness or corealiveness.
So like that, excuse me, theHona Hana.
Jesus preached, loving all yourneighbors, even the sick and the
poor.
people exalted him along thatstreet ho on Hana Ho, and he was
(11:35):
leading example, focusing onlove and forgiveness.
He encouraged people to actkindly and justly in their
interactions.
He taught that we show lovethrough actions and not just
beliefs.
Yeah.
Delbert (11:50):
That's beautiful.
And he was so connected tonature and to children.
Don't forget that part of it, tolove our earth.
Love our children want, we wannamake the world a better place
for them so that they can growup and say they had a wonderful
childhood that they were, Isometimes I feel like maybe my
(12:13):
grandchildren are gonna have asimilar experience growing up as
we did.
And the fact that, there's a lotof conflict of, the way people
think and I think.
What you believe.
You need to really stand up forit.
You need to protest like Hessdid.
I need to.
(12:33):
I need to do that.
I haven't been involved with oneof our protests here in
Louisville, and I need to dothat.
Hess (12:40):
Delbert, Jesus.
I wanna say more about
Delbert (12:43):
Let's talk more about Jesus.
It's Easter.
Yeah.
Hess (12:46):
He was healing the sick
Delbert (12:47):
Yes.
Hess (12:48):
thousands, and that highlighted his concern for
people's needs.
And that's just like yourmission.
Delbert with Carol's kitchen andblessings in a backpack.
You're feeding the children,they're our future.
And he focused on the coremessage of love and salvation.
Delbert (13:04):
Not judgment, not telling people they're wrong for
what they think or who they loveor how they feel.
Jesus,
Hess (13:11):
was with all, he was with all the people.
Delbert (13:14):
all the.
Hess (13:15):
Delbert, I told you yesterday that I went to go pick
up my boat.
My boat's name is therelationship, two words
relationship, I keep her in thehigh bridge springs.
area, underground storage.
And Highbridge Springs is awater company.
Mr.
Griffith bought this rock quarryin Wilmore, Kentucky, this old
(13:39):
rock quarry, and there was aleak in the ceiling.
And oh my gosh, what am I gonnado?
It was a spring water leakingthrough the ceiling, so he
started to bottle it.
This is back in the earlyeighties when before bottled
water.
Really?
Now, I asked my dad, Iinterviewed my dad like eight
years ago or so.
He was in his late eighties.
I said, dad, what do you see inyour life now that you thought
(14:02):
you'd never see?
You know what he said?
Delbert (14:05):
Bottled water.
Hess (14:06):
He said bottled water.
I never thought I'd see waterbeing bottled.
So anyway, it's an undergroundstorage place and I'm picking up
my boat and I thought aboutthat.
That clicked in my brain thismorning.
Delbert, actually when I wastaking my shower is I got my
boat out of the cave and Ibrought it out the light.
Delbert (14:22):
Oh wow.
Oh how.
Hess (14:26):
Yeah.
So I'm driving back home downthis country road'cause to
Wilmore, ISS a little two lane,windy, windy road with barely an
edge on the side of the road.
It's not a very busy road, butas I'm coming home before I
reached Wilmore,'cause it's outfurther past Wilmore, was a
fellow walking along the side ofthe road barefoot with long hair
(14:49):
and I had to slow down.
I had to make sure nobody'scoming.
And I went around and I thought,could be that, that was how
Jesus is represented, beingbarefoot and long hair.
I said that.
That person is Jesus.
And that's a cool thing aboutJesus is teaching that God is in
all of us, right?
Delbert (15:09):
Yes.
Hess (15:10):
and I thought as I'm driving past him, what would
people think?
This person, oh, that person'swalking barefoot.
Is this a street person?
A critical view of this personwho's not dressed.
And that's all judgment.
That's all judgment, so Ithought this could have been
Jesus and it was
Delbert (15:30):
Yeah,
Hess (15:31):
is in everybody walking along the side of the road,
Delbert (15:34):
see Christ in everyone or whatever your faith tells
you.
Everybody.
Is a child of the universe,right?
No less than the trees and thestars, and everyone has a right
to be here.
And the only way we're gonnawork things out is to listen to
each other and to accept eachother with love and peace.
Hess (15:57):
Amen.
Amen.
Jesus, his core message was loveand salvation.
and I'm not a theologian,Delbert, I went to Catholic mass
every Sunday for 45 years of mylife.
And when I was 45 years old, Ilanded at the Unitarian
Universalist Church and there'sno doctrine, but just core
(16:19):
beliefs and they believe inthese seven principles.
And as soon as I pulled in thatparking lot, Delbert, I totally
related to the bumper stickerson the car.
It's okay.
Delbert (16:31):
Must be in the right place.
Hess (16:33):
So like the first principle, the inherent worth
and dignity of every person.
Okay, that's good.
The second principle, justice,equity and compassion and human
relationship relations.
Yeah.
Third, acceptance of one anotherand encouragement to spiritual
growth in our congregations.
(16:53):
Fourth, a free and responsiblesearch for truth and meaning.
That's what you're talkingabout, Delbert, to be a critical
thinker.
Five.
The right of conscious and theuse of democratic process within
our congregations and in societyat large.
Yeah, we all have a voice justlike yesterday at the
demonstration.
Delbert (17:13):
Yes.
Hess (17:15):
The sixth principle.
The goal of world community withpeace, liberty, and justice for
all.
We are all on this earth as theladies that went up in space for
10 minutes the other day, up inspace and back down.
You look back down at the earthand we're one globe, we're one,
we're one.
then the seventh principle, thelast one is respect for the
(17:37):
interdependent web of allexistence, of which we are a
part.
existence, all these differentecosystems.
Us as human beings, we're justone, we're just one species of
all of the different animals andinsects around on the world.
So Delbert,
Delbert (17:55):
Beautiful,
Hess (17:56):
that.
Delbert (17:56):
beautiful.
Love that, love all of it
Hess (18:00):
I'm good with those principles.
Yeah.
Delbert (18:03):
spiritual.
And seven is a very spiritualnumber.
I love that you have seven.
Hess (18:08):
Yeah.
So anyway, back to Jesus.
And you can believe in Jesus andbe UU.
You can believe in Buddha, youcan be Jewish, you could be
agnostic, you could be anything.
And anyway, the celebration ofthe resurrection what we do in
Christianity, Easter.
It's about hope and joy.
(18:28):
represents victory over deathand the promise of eternal life.
Many see this as proof thatJesus', divine nature and his
teachings about love,redemption, and mercy, through
those events, followers areinspired to embrace faith and
spread kindness.
So in springtime, with theblossoms and the asparagus
(18:49):
poking up out of the ground andwith warmer days, it's a perfect
time to celebrate resurrection.
Delbert (18:56):
It really is.
I was in a very spiritual frameof mine yesterday, called Hess
and said, Hey, wow.
I've been listening to JesusChrist Superstar and Hess is
such a good friend.
She listened to me.
She said, okay let's do it.
Let's do it.
Hess (19:13):
So all the people that were down there at the
courthouse square yesterday inLexington, they were feeling
something uncomfortable in theirbody.
Something's not right.
I need to speak up, I need toshow up here.
And there's a a movement called50 states, 50 and I know that
there were a whole lot more than50 protests.
(19:34):
In these 50 states because justin Kentucky alone, there were
protests almost in every city.
Yeah, but we were all therebecause we felt that we're
uncomfortable with the executiveOverreach.
In our government, We each havea voice.
We are the government.
The government is the people.
Delbert (19:52):
That's right.
I love that.
Hess (19:55):
And when you feel this connection, Delbert, that the El
Salvador prison is just like aconcentration camp.
You're feeling that in yourstomach, Your grandfather
walking towards thatconcentration camp, smelling it
for miles away, how these peopleare held captive.
And here in El Salvador, thepictures that you see where
(20:16):
they're all dressed the same,they have to have their head
shaved.
They're kneeling, they havetheir hands tied behind their
backs.
my gosh.
You are feeling in your gut.
Delbert.
We can't be doing that.
Be doing this.
Delbert (20:27):
And everybody is a human being.
We're all a child of theuniverse, right?
We're all connected.
And I'm not saying that, weshould allow people to, commit
crimes, violent crimes, there's,there is, there's justice for
that.
But let's treat everyone like ahuman being,
Hess (20:50):
There's due process and Albrego Garcia did not get due
process.
It's been claimed that he's anillegal alien, that he's an MS
13 gang member.
That's never been proven.
He had the papers to be here.
He was given a permit to be towork here legally, and they're
(21:15):
calling a foreign terrorist.
Who should be deported back, whois deported back and the press
Secretary if he ever ends upback in the United States, he'll
be immediately deported again.
Nothing will change in the factthat he will never be a Maryland
father.
He will never live in the UnitedStates of America again, no
(21:37):
Uhuh, not truth, that's notvalid.
All of those things.
She's holding up a piece ofpaper saying that his wife had a
a domestic violence order andYep, that happened.
she's on the podium.
She's behind the microphonesaying we went to therapy.
I dropped the charges.
(21:58):
We went to therapy, and weworked it out.
Beautiful.
Delbert (22:03):
You gotta love that Hess as a therapist.
Hess (22:05):
that.
Delbert (22:06):
Yeah.
Hess (22:06):
love that.
Delbert (22:08):
Yeah.
None of us are without fault orwithout flaws or problems in our
lives.
Our relationships we're humanbeings and we just have to give
each other grace.
And I told Hess, I said, I don'treally want our podcast to be
political because I wanteverybody to feel included and
(22:29):
everyone belongs.
But I also felt like I reallyneeded to say something, and
Hess gave me that grace too.
Say something religious andpolitical on here, and I
appreciate that because I thinkwe can't be a society that stays
silent when we see somethingwrong and whether we agree or
(22:49):
disagree, let's have a dialogue.
Let's have a peaceful dialogueabout what's going on in our
country right now.
Hess (22:59):
To speak up if you feel it in your gut.
To use your voice aboutanything.
If you hear somebody talk andsmack about somebody else, don't
be silent.
Say, Hey, you know what I don'tlike to hear those kind of
things.
Ooh, okay.
I was talking to a friend thathad been in this bad
relationship with thisnarcissist and, she said she
(23:22):
didn't allow the narcissist tozero in and not let her do her
little bridge club every weekthat she did.
She just didn't allow, hecriticized and said, you need to
stop doing that.
And she just kept doing it andshe kept, and.
She showed up for what sheneeded to do and he stopped
(23:42):
bugging her about it.
He knew he couldn't change that.
So you have to do what you knowis right for you and speak up
about it,
Delbert (23:52):
Exactly.
So we hope that you
Hess (23:55):
anything, bridge club,
Delbert (23:57):
Your own, yes, your own life, Your own city, state,
country, and the world.
Stand up for justice, whereverit is.
And so we, we hope that you justhave a beautiful Easter,
beautiful Passover, whateveryou're celebrating today.
Hess (24:16):
Hey, Delbert.
Delbert (24:17):
a new beginning.
What?
Hess (24:20):
Delbert, I wanna say this about that,
Delbert (24:22):
Let's hear this about that.
Hess (24:24):
That's what the pod is.
Y'all.
I heard about this app that youcan get to your phone if there's
things going on.
Delbert (24:30):
Oh.
Hess (24:30):
the, in politics or in the government, that feels
uncomfortable to you, there's anapp called 5 Calls, and that's
what it's called, the numberfive calls.
And if you load that on yourphone, there'll be the list of
different issues and they'll,and the question, Hey, what's.
It's a, it's what's important toyou.
(24:53):
For instance, there'sinformation where about opposing
funding cuts to N-P-R-P-B-S orbringing Albrego Rego Garcia
home and stop traffickingcivilians to a foreign gulag or
fight the Trump administrationsto defiance of the constitution
and the courts, or protectworkers' safety or demand
(25:16):
unfreezing of FEMA funds.
Or oppose the voter suppressionbill or stop the tariffs save
the National Endowment toHumanities.
That matters to you Delbert,because your darlings are all
into the arts
Delbert (25:31):
Absolutely.
Hess (25:32):
defend scientific progress in the National Institute of
Health.
Protect the forests fromunregulated logging, protect
public health.
And here's another one importantto you.
Delbert is restore USDA fundingfor food banks and schools.
Delbert (25:49):
Yes.
Hess (25:49):
Hossanna Heysanna a get out there.
Delbert (25:55):
Find out what's the buzz, tell me what's happening.
Hess (26:00):
Amen.
Amen.
Woo.
Delbert (26:06):
Thanks for sharing those Hess.
That's awesome.
Hess (26:09):
Thanks for speaking.
What was going on in your bellyDelbert and what you thought,
what you know is important toyou
Delbert (26:20):
thank you it's the new beginning.
Let's be thoughtful about theworld that we're in.
Hess (26:27):
Feel it.
Take a step and then take thenext best step.
We love you all.
Thanks so much for joining us.
Delbert (26:35):
Be sure to like and subscribe and let us know what
you think.
Peace and love.
We love you friends.
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