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Gina (00:01):
Hello.
Nicola (00:02):
It's so funny story,
let's hear it.
You realize these are recorded,right?
Yeah, okay, you realize.
On the last one, you showed meyour boobs.
Gina (00:17):
I forgot, I don't care.
I mean, I trust you.
I know you're not going to likeplaster it all over the
Internet.
You can't realize.
I mean, it was just like theunderside, the under boob.
It wasn't terrible, it was thewhole thing, girl, I don't even
consider them mine becausethey're implants, girl, it was
(00:37):
the whole.
They're ginormous and they'restupid.
And I'm getting them madesmaller.
Yeah, not a thing.
Okay, so let's pretend this isthe first time talking after
we've been away from each other.
Nicola (00:48):
It kind of is how long
have we been away from each
other for now?
Like.
Gina (00:54):
We had a couple, we had a
couple of people, we had a
couple of people, we had acouple of people.
We had at least two months, twomonths it's too, much Two
months, too much One one one.
Nicola (01:12):
So yes, I have to do
like my.
Gina (01:14):
Because I haven't, we
haven't really podcasted Like
formally.
We've had like one or tworeally quick ones, and then we
were just like okay, gotta go.
Bye, I'm gonna go and get a sadone with Dr Jody.
No, I was like driving fromFlorida to New York.
So it's been, it's been a ride.
So I feel like I missedeverything, Feel very out of the
(01:35):
.
The Nicola loop Out of the loop.
Nicola (01:38):
Yeah Well, how have you,
how has your, how have you even
I, am I having this?
Gina (01:44):
We're both dumb.
We're out of practice.
Nicola (01:48):
How was your two months
off?
Gina (01:52):
Well, I wasn't off from
everything, obviously, just two
months off from podcasting.
So I drove.
Obviously I drove here from I'min New York.
Still, I'm going back like the12th.
I'm starting the journey back.
So it's up here in New Yorkwith my daughter and it's been
nice, but like we're both reallyready to come home, like we
(02:13):
need our own house, our ownthings, you know stuff like that
.
So yeah, but she's grown somuch like her vocabulary is so
good and she's become like asocial butterfly.
So anytime we go to the pool,she's like I want to go say hi
to my friends and they're likeall new people, everyone's her
friend.
It's the cutest.
Nicola (02:32):
She's the opposite of me
.
Gina (02:33):
I'm like.
I'm like I don't like anyone.
No new friends.
And she's like everyone's myfriend.
That's adorable, though.
Nicola (02:41):
I know.
Gina (02:42):
So what did you?
What have you been up to?
Nicola (02:45):
Well, I, I did not get a
break from podcasting.
I didn't get a break frompodcasting because I just, I
just didn't know, I just didn'tknow that, Because I, you didn't
know of course I didn't,because we still had to have
mini-sodes.
Gina (02:56):
Oh, I know.
Nicola (02:59):
I didn't even know that
you were doing that until you
were doing it, yeah.
Gina (03:03):
We, and then also we had
episodes that we had.
Nicola (03:06):
Yeah.
Gina (03:06):
We had to do that.
We had to do that.
That's true.
Yeah, also, I just want to likeput a disclaimer on like one.
Towards the end of ourpodcasting and season one, I
became severely depressed to dowith the podcast.
Nicola (03:19):
Nothing like that at all
, it was just I made you
depressed.
Gina (03:22):
No, you were probably like
the one thing that kept me
going.
But so I don't even like.
Part of the end of season onewas a little bit of a blur,
because I was just like, oh God,I'm still alive every day.
Nicola (03:35):
Yeah.
Gina (03:36):
Yeah, it was a rough, but
anyway.
So go back to you.
What did you do besides notgetting time off from the
podcast?
Nicola (03:43):
I've gone back to school
again, so I'm back at school
now.
I am crazy.
I'm actually quite enjoying thepapers at the moment, just not
saying You're writing them onthe right topic this time.
Apparently barely Jesus Christ.
Honestly, if I do not get an Afor this, please just have me
(04:04):
fired at this point, because no,this is my wheelhouse, like I'm
doing health and safety papers.
So I'm just like, please, if Idon't, what is the point of my
life?
Gina (04:14):
Listen.
As one of my friends says,every day's a school day, so
maybe Every day's a school day.
Nicola (04:20):
I've been spending a lot
of time with my boyfriend, this
is like the biggest thing ever.
With my boyfriend.
He's so cute.
Gina (04:32):
I'm so glad that you
decided after that whole like
disrupt New Zealand, wasn't it?
Or that thing that you spoke at, yeah, that you were like I
really just wanted to see himand I was like that's great.
Oh, it is, it's good, it's goodshirt.
We're so cute.
Are you guys in love and stuff?
(04:52):
Yeah, ow.
Meanwhile, I'm still dealingwith my same old.
Nicola (05:00):
Yeah, it's OK, though
you can do better than this.
If I could do better, you coulddo better.
Gina (05:05):
No, no, he filed for
divorce.
Didn't I tell you that?
Oh my god, I'm so excited.
Oh my god, it's happening.
I didn't tell you that it'shappening.
He filed.
It's going to be finalized.
Like you have to put it in thesystem, I don't know what they
have to do, but it'll befinalized by end of this year.
Nicola (05:24):
Oh my god.
Gina (05:25):
Yeah.
Nicola (05:27):
This is huge.
Gina (05:29):
I know, oh my god, I know.
And he asked me what kind ofengagement ring I want and I
said I mean I'm not saying it'sgoing to happen, but this is
where it is right now.
And he apologized for beingsuch a turd to me and my
daughter and he's been kind oflike making up for it ever since
(05:53):
.
So I haven't completelyforgiven him and I haven't said
one thing or the other, butlet's just say it's now going in
a direction that I can getbehind.
Before I could not get behindit.
A little positive trajectory,there we go, so both of our love
lives are getting a little bitbetter.
Look, I'm not sad about this.
No, maybe Card ZB was right.
Nicola (06:15):
Maybe Card ZB was right.
Gina (06:17):
OK, so you have a fabulous
new BF and you guys are all in
love and shit, and so what elsehappened?
Nicola (06:24):
Work, work, work, work,
work, work, work, work, work.
I have a fabulous team at work.
I'm very lucky to be working inan industry that is just so
compassionate, and it's OK, it'sOK.
Gina (06:44):
Good, and you're not
feeling stressed out previously.
Nicola (06:48):
I don't feel like I was
anywhere near what last year was
.
I feel far less miserable.
I'm feeling a lot more settledand a lot more grounded.
Gina (07:02):
You seem a lot more
settled and grounded, so I'm
glad to hear that.
Nicola (07:07):
But very curious to know
more about what we are going to
talk about for our now seasontwo.
Gina (07:15):
So you want to go first,
you want to make the
announcement.
Nicola (07:20):
Which one is an
announcement?
Do you have an announcement?
I've got barely an announcement.
Gina (07:27):
So well, I guess what we
kind of piggybacking on what we
already said at the end ofseason one, like we're surprised
like we've gotten this far soquickly and we're so grateful
and thankful for both negativeand positive reviews.
It doesn't matter, review us.
Sometimes what you say, even ifwe make fun of you, is probably
accurate.
(07:47):
We just like to make fun at ourown toxicity, because what can
you do if not be self-reflectiveand laugh about shit?
Right, exactly.
Nicola (07:58):
And we could take
feedback on board.
Gina (08:01):
Yes, we might make fun of
you at first, but then we'll be
like no, that person wasprobably right, so anyway.
So I think the biggest thingwe're going to say is we're
trying to be a little bit moreconcise with our interviews this
year or this season, I shouldsay so that we don't kind of get
waylaid into too many sidetopics although I kind of feel
(08:21):
like that's kind of what makesus us.
So we're going to try tobalance it better.
Let's say, that right.
Nicola (08:29):
We're going to balance
out the topics a little more.
We do have some really coolinterviews locked and loaded
already that will be publishedfor the first, I think, five
weeks.
Gina (08:42):
Yes, so we already have
our first couple episodes for
season two ready to go, andNicola had a really awesome idea
and we're going to kind of runwith it and I think that's more
of the announcement.
So why don't you tell everyone?
Nicola (08:56):
So we're going to do
some investigative journalism,
but we're going to be a littlebit, please.
Gina (09:03):
We're going to use
investigative journalism very
loosely.
It's such a loose, it's a broadterm.
Don't expect to come on hereand find us being crime junkies
or morbid or any of those trueor date line.
Everyone loves a good date line.
Don't expect that from us.
We're going to do our best Dateline.
Nicola (09:23):
But we're going to try a
couple of different things.
We're going to try and kind ofstep out the box a little bit
and we are actually going toresearch some toxic workplaces.
So we've put some time in tokind of make a list of the
places that we wanted toresearch and talk about.
We've reached out to a coupleof people to see if they'd be
willing to come and talk to usabout it.
We've kind of contacted peoplein the industry we're kind of
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talking to.
We've kind of got like a widerange of things that we want to
talk to people about and we'regoing to just try different
formats, I guess, and watch thespace, because I'm going to say
it's ever-evolving and we'llwork it out as we go, like we
did in this episode.
Gina (10:04):
Yes, it is, I mean in the
first season.
The first season was truly justa test run, because we were
like we don't know what we'redoing, let's just see what
happens.
Nicola (10:14):
And as we keep saying.
Gina (10:17):
I'm like blown away that
we consistently get and of
course we are not at all in thetop whatever podcasts of all
time I mean Date Line and Ithink Crime Drunkie are the top
two in America all every week.
Nicola (10:30):
Oh, for sure, For sure.
But we hop in and out of thosetop numbers.
Gina (10:34):
I'm not saying that, I
mean also just for two random
girls who've never done apodcast before and don't know
really what they're doing.
One of us might know more thanthe other and I'm looking at you
, Nicola, Like I can't believewhere we are already.
It's kind of fun, kind of cute.
Nicola (10:52):
I know her and we're
still in the top 10%, which is
good.
That is good We've maintained.
Gina (10:57):
I also feel like not to
take away from our work, but I
also feel like everyone in theirmother now has a podcast.
Nicola (11:04):
Oh, my god, for bloody
sure.
Like I saw just on LinkedInthis week, like three people I
know have started a podcast andI'm like do you want to reach
out, like do you want to talk tous about this, because ours
doesn't seem to suck?
Do you want to come and talk tous, happy to share what barely
we know?
Gina (11:22):
Yes, the little small
about we know, but we can share,
like OK, just be consistent.
I think that's probably ourbiggest tool in our two belt, is
that we are consistent.
We do what we say we're goingto do, yeah, so better late than
(11:43):
never, but we're consistent,wait.
But what are their podcastsabout?
Nicola (11:50):
Please.
On my LinkedIn We've got oneabout toxic workplaces.
I was like, oh, interesting,I'll keep an eye on you.
No, totally different from us,though.
It's three people talking andthey don't interview a lot of
people, they talk aboutbusinesses, et cetera which I
thought was quite interestingbut worth listening to.
(12:12):
I think it's cool.
And then a couple of safetyones.
There was two brand new safetyones that I saw come out which
I'm quite excited about and Imight listen to those.
I think the one was the Circusof Safety, or Safety Circus, and
I was like, oh girlfriend, I amso listening to this.
(12:34):
This is right up my true crimescene.
Oh my god, talking about truecrime, have you been listening
to the new episodes of the LadyVenetians?
Gina (12:42):
I haven't, and I have to
tell you so.
The first season I was soexcited Maybe my expectations
were too high because I wasexpecting to be this, something
so totally crazy, and it wasjust kind of more like the long
game.
It was more drawn out.
Nicola (12:58):
Now it's going back to
crazy town.
Gina (13:00):
OK, because at the end I
sort of lost interest and I was
like OK so now we're in thepassport entries and stuff.
Nicola (13:08):
Now we're in the
coronial hearing, so now they're
doing the live action replaysof the court stuff.
Gina (13:17):
Oh, wow.
Nicola (13:18):
Oh.
Gina (13:19):
Maybe I have to listen to
that one.
Please.
Nicola (13:21):
You've got to get on
board with that one.
What else have we got?
What else have we got lined upfor season two?
I'm just having a look at ourguest list from season two.
Gina (13:33):
I know that we have some
interesting startup people and
business people right.
Nicola (13:41):
We also have and I think
this is one that we're going to
really enjoy sharing withpeople was the lady that had
like 400 jobs in like.
Gina (13:51):
Oh, my god that was like
her first, like right out of the
gate, she was like so I've had400 jobs in 32 years and we're
like what we're like.
Well, who's the commondenominator there?
Nicola (14:03):
Lois' common denominator
and I think we said that to her
as well we were like ooh.
Gina (14:09):
Yeah, like at some point
you have to understand.
Like, maybe you bring like wayback when we first started, you
know, we were very clear that weadded to the toxicity at our
former workplace.
Nicola (14:20):
Oh, we're learning them.
Gina (14:21):
So it's like I think
everyone has a little bit of you
know, like I always say, likeyou're part in it, so maybe,
maybe.
Nicola (14:30):
You know, what I have
noticed, though, is I have now
noticed like toxicity comingfrom others, because now I'm so
hyper aware of toxicity in theworkplace and at the moment in
my workplace, I'm really, really, really, and I can't wait to
use I can't wait to talk aboutthis as a topic later in the
season but I am like fixated onweaponized incompetence, like
(14:55):
fixated on it, and I see iteverywhere and it is so toxic
and it is driving me mental.
Where you send someone like aWord document and they're like I
can't open the Word document,you do it for me, can you send
it to me in PDF?
It's like well then, you can'treview it.
Can you please open the linkwe've sent you so that you can
review it?
I don't know how to review it.
Why is it all in?
Gina (15:15):
read it's like so how do
you handle that?
Will you be like, let's do arefresher on Word documents?
Nicola (15:21):
I have been doing that
when I'm like yeah, that would
be.
Gina (15:25):
my first thing was be like
, okay, you don't know how to do
it.
Maybe this is a widespreadproblem.
Now, everybody has to learn howto use.
Nicola (15:31):
Exactly when I'm like.
Okay, no worries, I'm happy tosend you a link to learn how to
do it better.
It should be a pretty standardpractice.
It's not rocket science overhere, but here's a link Watch
the video, and.
But I'm like so fixated on itand I'm also hyper aware of not,
like not perpetuating toxicityin the organization.
Yeah, I've become so hyperaware of it, though, like it's
(15:53):
everywhere now.
Gina (15:54):
Yeah.
I mean I think that's like,that's what happens, right, Like
you talk about it all the timeand then you're like, like and
you start spotting it easier.
Nicola (16:03):
You spotted it every way
now.
Gina (16:06):
I mean, it is a rampant
issue.
You know, like stuff happensall the time and people,
relationships with people,whether or not it's like
familial or intimate or whatever, they're hard, because you know
it's hard.
So, okay, so we're going tohave, like so we're doing some
deep dives on toxic workplacesthat a lot of you probably
(16:30):
already know, but we kind ofwant to bring a different spin
on it.
Yeah, our spin like so, forinstance, I'm going to be doing
a little thing on we work, butwe're going to be putting a
special spin on it so that it'snot just the retelling of the
story which I think most peopleknow, right.
(16:51):
So what kind of give you arecap?
And I think that's Nicholasintention to will give you a
recap of what we already knowand then kind of get a little
bit further, talk to some peopleand see what they have to say,
and then we'll go from there.
Nicola (17:07):
I know I, as we said
earlier, like we're using the
term investigative journalism.
Gina (17:16):
I think the biggest thing
I investigate on a daily basis
is how soon can I get to bed.
That's what I investigate on adaily basis.
If you want a fullinvestigative journalistic
report on that, then I'm yourgirl.
Otherwise, don't have too highexpectations, and then you'll be
(17:37):
pleasantly surprised if we youknow, you know what?
Nicola (17:42):
okay, hold on.
You know toxic workplace that Ihave deleted off my app, like
off my phone.
So I woke up the other morningand my Twitter was a giant X and
I was like, oh, no, oh, oh.
It's the first time I have everdeactivated and deleted a
(18:05):
social media account.
Gina (18:07):
I've never gotten behind
Twitter slash X like I just
didn't get it.
I was like this is stupid.
Nicola (18:13):
I don't like.
Gina (18:13):
Facebook, but no pictures.
But then there are pictures andthen it's like Instagram, but
with pictures, and then peopleare retweeting on like this is
just reposting on Instagram,like they're all kind of the
same version of themselves.
Nicola (18:25):
Okay, but think about
this for a second right.
Your company has gone through arebrand right.
How tricky is a rebrand?
It's tricky.
It's a small company for amulti mega, gigantic, multi
million bajillion dollar company.
And they swapped it over inwhat two weeks?
Gina (18:48):
Sounds that way.
I mean, you probably would knowbetter than me because I'm not
a Twitter aficion.
So now, so now, what are?
Are they no longer tweets theirX's?
What are they?
I'm so confused.
Nicola (18:59):
Well, they're definitely
not tweets anymore.
Gina (19:02):
Well, I'm still going to
follow up tweets.
How much do you want to betthat everyone's going to still
call it Twitter?
Nicola (19:09):
Well, this is exactly it
, right.
Like what is the meant?
Like, what was the thinkingbehind this?
Like, is it just so that youcan slap your own image on
something, but you're justcreating, like, more and more
toxicity as you go.
Elon, come on, mate, and he'syour people's from South.
Africa.
No, we're not claiming that one.
Gina (19:31):
I think it's too late.
Nicola (19:33):
No, not claiming him.
Gina (19:36):
That's what she needs as
to she's like he's been American
.
Nicola (19:40):
Americanized.
Yeah, no, no, no, he's not ourpeople, that's not our people.
Gina (19:45):
All right, well, anyway,
yeah, I see what you're saying.
Like I'm not.
I was never like very into deepwith X slash, twitter slash,
whatever, so I don't.
I never really used it.
I mean, for a minute I did, andthen I was like this doesn't
make any sense to my logicalbrain, so I'm stopping doing it.
Nicola (20:06):
I'm just curious to know
, like what's going on behind
the scenes.
Right, like that branding teamwould have been so straight is
because you've got like anestablished brand that has is
well known, and now this guy'slike, oh jokes, swap it all out
for a black.
Gina (20:21):
I remember one of the
companies that my company worked
with years ago and they didjust a logo update.
It took me forever to like thenew logo.
I was like this is so ugly.
The first one was better like.
So that's just like.
I'm like that's not even a fullrebrand.
They kept the same name,everything.
It was just the logo thatchange, and it took me like a
(20:43):
good year and a half to getbehind the new logo, Right.
Nicola (20:46):
So it's like.
That's like me.
Once they did that brand swap,like where I woke up and it was
just a black X on my phone.
I'm curious to know how manypeople deactivated their
accounts.
Gina (20:59):
Oh, I think this would be
a good Instagram poll.
Nicola (21:04):
I actually think this
would be a good Instagram poll
too.
I think maybe when we introduceseason two we can use that as a
pop-up, I think, because,realistically, like you're
losing brand loyalty, you'recreating a toxic work
environment, because you'reforcing people into potentially
doing long hours to create thisvision that you have.
Gina (21:27):
I think we already knew
that Twitter, before it became X
was at my favorite word wasproblematic because we heard all
those rumblings about Elon Musksaying like, if you're not
doing this or that, you're goingto get fired.
That's remember.
Like or I don't remember.
There was a couple of otherthings, but again, I didn't pay
too much attention to it becauseTwitter is not my jam.
Nicola (21:50):
Maybe we need to do an
episode on Twitter.
Gina (21:53):
I think we might actually
Now that we're just riff raffing
about it.
You never know.
Nicola (22:00):
I think it could be
because it's a very I feel like
it's a very hot button topic.
Gina (22:04):
It is, and it's because
it's happening as we're
recording Whereas we work, orLula Rowe or whatever it's like.
People have come before us.
They've done the dirty work ofthe true investigative
journalism.
We're just going to bepiggybacking on that because
just want to let everyone knowwe're not investigative
journalists, did we?
Nicola (22:23):
mention that.
How fun would it be to be aninvestigative journalist, like
what do they do on a day to daybasis.
Gina (22:31):
I don't know.
I think it would be a lot ofwork and I think, at the core of
who I am, I'm too lazy.
Nicola (22:38):
I could do it because
I'm tenacious like that.
Gina (22:42):
You are, and I'm tenacious
and motivated in certain areas,
but that's just again.
I'm going to say it again, notmy jam.
Nicola (22:51):
It's not your bread,
it's not your butter and there's
no jam.
There's no jam being had by me.
Wait, when you guys have yourbiscuits biscuits, so cute Do
you guys put like cream and jamon your biscuits?
Gina (23:07):
So when you say biscuit,
do you mean cookie or cracker?
Nicola (23:10):
No, I'm talking about
like those scone things that you
have.
Gina (23:14):
Oh, okay, yeah, it depends
.
Some of them are so deliciousthat they don't need anything,
especially if you warm it, butsome of them does need a little
like moisture in there.
So butter, jelly, jam, anything, anything goes.
Nicola (23:31):
I just find it
fascinating.
You call them biscuits.
It's very weird.
Gina (23:36):
Well, a biscuit is
actually like a flaky pastry in
America.
It's like a biscuit is almostlike a dinner roll, but it's
denser.
Yeah, it's like a scone.
Yeah, but a scone usually haslike additional flavors, like
cranberries walnuts.
Nicola (23:55):
No, that's a muffin.
Gina (23:57):
No, scones are harder and
they're triangular.
No ways Scones are like.
Brown Muffins are totallydifferent, like sometimes, like
if you just get a muffin fromDunkin Donuts, you could just
eat that shit straight becauseit's so moist.
Nicola (24:11):
Oh my God, I think I
need to make you a scone so that
you can have like a comparative.
Gina (24:17):
I don't.
Scones are usually drier, andyeah, that's that, here they are
.
And then muffins are somethingdifferent, and then cupcakes are
something different.
Nicola (24:27):
Oh, cupcakes, we all
know what.
Gina (24:28):
a cupcake is Okay, and
then a biscuit is something
totally, totally different, andthen you have your regular, like
dinner rolls, which are totallydifferent.
Nicola (24:36):
So there's a lot of
general.
Look, I don't love a carb, likeI don't naturally gravitate
towards carbs.
Gina (24:43):
Are you insane?
If I could if I didn't get fat,I would eat carbs all day,
every day.
Nicola (24:50):
No, it's just not
something I gravitate towards,
but I do love a hot dinner roll.
Gina (24:55):
My God.
Nicola (24:57):
Like a little bit of a
shot of the oven.
One Oof.
Have you ever had a king's roll?
Gina (25:02):
And you're just like a
little bit of a roll and it's
all yeasty or like a goodsourdough, a good homemade bread
.
I think we just passed this onseason one because our person
from who had like what was the?
Oh, it was still was homemadeEuropean bread and I was like
that is the.
Please give me that as a gift.
I will eat the shit out of that.
Nicola (25:24):
I know it's like we will
be like little Hansel and
Gratial.
Gina (25:28):
Yeah, he could have Hansel
and Gretel's, our asses to any
big oven, with the promise ofhomemade, artisanal European
bread like I've got, like a.
If you're baking me a freshbread, I am all up in that carb
I mean, even if I knew you werelike a serial killer, I'll be
like I can take them.
I'll just get the bread and run.
Nicola (25:50):
Oh my God.
My mother once hit me with astale low like a stale baguette.
Stuck with me forever.
Gina (25:56):
Oh, I'm sure it's a lot
harder than it probably yeah.
Nicola (26:01):
Needed to be Even a
sourdough, so it's like really
hard and that's like a piece ofwood.
Yep, we digress.
So welcome to season two.
Thanks for having us, thanksfor coming back.
Gina (26:14):
Thanks for coming back and
for allowing us to figure our
shit out as we go.
Nicola (26:18):
Yeah, I feel like this
is going to be our like strap
line for the rest of eternity.
Is we're just going to figureit out as we go?
Yep, we sure are I love it Allright, we'll see you next week
for our very first episode.
Gina (26:33):
I'm going to see you
tomorrow.
Nicola (26:35):
No, you dork Like for
the season.
Gina (26:39):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
, sorry my bad, we have other
things we have other Tomorrow.
Yeah, I'm aware, I'm actuallygoing to see you tomorrow, but
we're going to get from us nextweek.
Nicola (26:53):
Leave me alone.
Gina (26:56):
Welcome back, welcome back
, welcome back, welcome back
everybody.
Let's hope that we're a littlebit more buttoned up during the
actual season than maybe.
Like, what are you talkingabout Chocolate?
Oh my god.
Okay, I'll see you tomorrow,nikola.
Everyone else will see youlater.
We will see you next week.
Nicola (27:16):
Everyone else yeah
Amazing.
Gina (27:18):
Okay, love you, bye.
Nicola (27:20):
Goodbye.