Gays Over Covid

Happy (?) five year anniversary of miss panini herself, the queen pandemonium, the original diva - the covid 19 pandemic!!! (and the crowd goes mild) Join us as we share what WE were up to during those fated years :')

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Episode Transcript

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Uhoh.
Uh Oh.
It's a pandemonium.
It's a panini.
No, it's a pan.
Demi Lovato.
Ooh, I forgot about that one.
Was that one?
I don't, yeah.
Pan Demi Lovato.
Yeah.
Was that one I was stressed.
Happy five year anniversary ofthe pandemic.
Fuck me.
That's so crazy.
And I also can't believe we'remaking an episode about this.

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I think I just died.
Great.
Perfect.
The end.
Anna, you fucked up.
I'm just in lose.
Oh, I was, what the fuck are youdoing?
Stop.
That was the song of thePandemic.
That's what I think of ThePandemic.
That's a song about, I think andMeal.
ZZZ, ZZ.
Oh God.
2020 was a foul year to bealive.

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but also kind of iconic.
At the beginning I had fun.
Yeah, at the beginning it wasn'tso bad, and then we were going
into the, like summertime, Iguess.
So it was fine ish.
It was afterwards.
Oh God, we'll get to it.
So we decided that in honor ofthe five year effort, honor,
fucking honor, honor of what weall went through as a society
collectively, dramatically.
We went through a pandemic andwe're gonna go through our

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experience of the pandemic andhow that was for us.
Five.
Five years ago.
Years ago.
It was five years ago.
Fuck.
Time is crazy'cause like, oh ohmy God, no, that was yesterday.
That was last year actually,that the pandemic happened.
No, it's crazy.
And now it's five years ago thatit started.
Ooh, 2020 was five.
Where were you when the firsttower fell?

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Oh my God.
I came home from schoolactually.
I remember turning my mom, mymom had the news on and then I
was like, what the fuck is goingon?
That's so crazy.
That's so funny that you camehome from school, but I was
still in school when the towerfell.
It's almost as if time zones areabsolutely crazy.
Crazy.
So let's talk about nine 11instead.
Oh my, I imagine this episode'sabout nine 11 when that's when,
when we're running out of ideas.

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You will get an episode entirelybased on nine 11.
That's wild.
That's a wild way to start anepisode.
And the Pentagon.
Okay, fuck me.
Okay.
Fuck.
Okay.
Fuck.
So welcome back to, let's Dig InWhere.
We are your hosts and you justget what you get.
You came to our house.
That is the worst introduction.
Our podcast.

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Yeah.
You just came to our, we areyour hosts, and you get what you
get.
Yeah.
I think that's basically thegist of the show.
Okay.
You've come to our house and I'mserving you a plate of, eh, not
eh, of this is what I could do.
And here's the conversation, thetitillating conversation,
titties to keep you entertained.

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Titties, the titillatingconversation to keep you
entertained through your meal.
Let's dig in.
The year was 2020.
No, it was 2020, but we juststarted the year off in Miami.
We were on that brand trip withLevi's.
Yeah.
Oh, the year was starting offgreat.
No, the year was, no, the year.
Let's talk.
This is why I will never saythat a year is gonna be my best
year ever.
Or like this year is gonna bethe best.

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This year is gonna be like myyear.
I will never say that againbecause I said that about 2020.
I remember going in from 2019 to2020.
I was like 20 20, 20 19.
I don't think it was, I don'tknow if it was that great.
I don't think.
Maybe it wasn't.
Amazing.
2019 was fine.
It was fine.
The 2020, we were like, we, it'sgonna be great off almost a year
and a half, actually almost twoyears into living in Toronto.
Yeah, we just started filminglike great friends.

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Oh, we were in Canada.
We just started forming like afriendship group and we were
like, oh, this is great.
Our social lives are likethriving.
we're really like succeeding inour careers.
Like our careers are like reallytaking off.
It's 2020 and oh my God, thisfeels like such a incredible
time to be alive.
Yeah.
And it's the year 2020.
Yeah.
We started off New Year's withour friends.
Like we had such a cute, likewholesome dinner and then like

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we wrote our like goals down.
Mm-hmm.
And we talked about them andthen.
And then we celebrated the newyear coming in and then we went
out and got shitfaced.
Yeah.
And that was excellent.
It was an excellent start to theyear.
And we were like, the world isjust looking up.
Yeah.
And then we went to, you neversay that.
No.
You never say say no because younever know.
You could get hit by a fuckingbus or a pandemic or both.
It might as well have been both.

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I wish I got hit by a b duringthe band.
Both.
Both would've been, it would'vebeen a little bit more exciting.
Fuck it out.
I, oh, and we just started on,we had just started on TikTok on
in October of 2019, right beforethe pandemic.
And I think we had like.
our views were coming in.
Yeah, we were getting views andthen we had this Levi's trip,
this Levi's brand trip to Miamiin January of 2020, which was so

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sick.
So sick.
We saw Khalid.
Yeah.
Who was our favorite artist atthe time.
He was, where'd he go?
Miss him.
He's gay now.
Fuck.
Thank God.
Yay gay.
Now he's gay.
Now he's gay now.
Yay.
we had this brand trip withLevi's to Miami, and I was like,
this is.
A great start to the year.
Everything is amazing.
I really feel like I'm, I'm likeI'm coming into my own.
Yeah.
Success is within Grasp.
Yeah.
I'm being recognized for myaccomplishments as a content

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creator.
Yeah.
And I get to go on cool brandtrips and I think that's fucking
ex.
I think that's incredible.
This is a motto for life.
Don't get too excited.
Don't get too excited.
Because then when we were awaythere was like rumblings.
Well, We were in Florida whichis.
It's, that's one of theepicenters in the US of like
where it started.

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Yeah, I know where, because it'sFlorida obviously.
I know and I remember gettinghome after that trip.
I had a sickness.
Yeah.
This is before Covid wasdeclared anything.
This was before it was liketalked about before March.
'cause March is when it started.
January we got back from thisLevi strip and I was the most
sick I've ever been in myfucking life.
I was on my deathbed for a wholeweek and looking back on it, I

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was like.
Was I one of the patient zeros?
That was like end of Januarythat year.
Yeah.
And it wasn't declared a, but itwas there.
It wasn't declared a national Apandemic Was it called?
What was it Declared?
A pandemonium.
No, it was declared like anational, national health.
No, it was declared, can Ispeak?
It was a, yeah, a pandemic.

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It was declared exactly.
It wasn't declared like aworldwide Global pandemic.
Global pandemic.
A global, what was the words?
Global pandemic.
In these unprecedented,unprecedented times.
You guys, exactly.
In these unprecedented times, ifyou are here and you don't wanna
listen to.
To us ramble on about thepandemic.
I don't care.
That's what we're gonna do.
You're gonna deal with it.
We're gonna make light of areally difficult situation and
hopefully we can bond together.

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come into the inner circle andbond with us.
Mm.
And it's a trauma dump, so dumpyour own traumas on us too.
Yeah, please.
We got back and I had thatsickness and I was like, oh my
God.
I fucking had covid.
I think I got sick.
You also got sick too?
No, we were both on our deathbeds.
Yeah, I remember.
But this again, this was likelate January, early February.
Yeah.
Right before.
I was like, okay.
That was weird.
That was weird that I gotreally, really sick after this.
I was still out and about.

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I was like doing my shit,obviously, because Covid wasn't
a thing yet.
No.
And then what day was it?
What was the actual day?
March, I think.
March 12th.
12th?
Yeah.
Okay.
13.
I think it was like March 12thin It was like declared a.
Global catastrophe.
Okay.
The day was March 12th.
No, it was, no it wasn't.
'cause we've skipped it.
We've skipped it a couple days.
We got invited to this dragbranch.

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Oh yeah.
And it was a Sunday.
So it was a Sunday.
Yeah.
This was a Sunday before it wasdeclared a global pandemic.
I think it was the Monday, Ithink been like the 11th or the
12th or something of March.
And I was like, I really wannago to this.
Drunk brunch like we wereinvited by this brunch.
I think it was a nice day.
I think it was a really goodday.
It was a great day.
It was like.
If you know anything aboutToronto, like it's just the

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weather's garbage from Novemberuntil May.
Yeah.
And so we had a really niceMarch day and I was like, I
really wanna go out and get shitface.
I really wanna get day drunk.
This would be so fun.
Oh my God.
And then I was like, there'srumblings.
And people were like, oh, maybeyou shouldn't go out.
Like people are getting sick andstuff.
So I feel like that's, yeah.
That's like a thing.
And I was like, do you know whatif this is the last day, get to
do this, then like, we're gonnago out with the bank, we're

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gonna go out and have a goodday.
And the bar was half like, halffull?
No, it was a third full.
Like There was no, no, there waslike important point.
It was a barbecue joint wherethis drag crew, drag show was
happening where there was like abunch of queens from Canada's
Drag Race who like, obviouslyCanada's Drag Race hadn't come
out yet, but what was her name?
Boa.
Boa Bitch on Arrival, whichthat's what it stands for.

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Did you know that Queen?
Queen?
Yeah.
Have you seen what she lookslike now?
Yeah, she's skinny as fuck.
Oh, incredible.
Period.
So yeah, we went to go see them.
Obviously they had a showdepartment and I was like, I'm
gonna go support my queen.
It was us and two other group.
It was us, our two friends, andthen two other groups of
middle-aged women.
And that was it.
I think it was 15 people maxedinside.
Yeah.
Yeah, no, that's true.

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It was 15 people, I think therewas like, maybe four or five
tables, and then I remember themanager or the, the owner or
someone of the bar was like.
It.
It was like an intermission orsomething or afterwards I think.
And she was speaking reallyloudly and she was like, they're
gonna fucking close the bars.
They're going to shut everythingdown.
How dare they, this is sostupid.

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And then we got home, or thenext day, it was the next
morning.
The next morning we woke uphungover and I, like we, we had
the TV on and Justin Trudeau.
That little wet blanket he goeson the fucking news and he is
like, this is now I'm speakingto my fellow Canadians.
It's time to come home.
And I was like, this is reallycrazy.
To witness that.

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Yeah, that like speech and thatlike declaration of an emergency
was crazy.
We were glued to the television,but at the same time I was like,
ah, this is crazy.
And so exciting.
Exciting.
It was exciting.
Imagine being exciting thatthey're gonna close the borders,
but then we like as importantnote that we are not permanent
residents of Canada.
We were on visas at the time.
Yeah, we were both on workvisas, so we, if we left the

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country, we wouldn't be allowedback in'cause we weren't
permanent residents or they wereonly letting citizens or
permanent residents on.
And I don't know if you knowanything about Toronto's.
Pandemonium.
like Ontario was so strict.
So strict guitar.
Let's talk about the firstcouple of weeks before we got
into the crazy.
Oh, it was amazing.
Oh my God, I loved it.
It was so good.
Well, I was like, Parker Posey.

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Oh my God.
It was so good.
It was so good.
It was really fun actually thefirst couple of weeks because we
were like, oh.
Um, I really enjoyed, I, as youheard last week, I really
enjoyed moving the couch to oneside and jumping up and down
watching an Instagram live.
Of a random fitness fuckingworkout video.
And I was like, this is prettyfun.
I love it.
We all thought back in two weeksmax.

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We were like, it's gonna be twoweeks, maybe a month max.
No, No.
There was no month max.
We were like two weeks.
It was two weeks max.
We said two weeks.
They're gonna fucking nip thisin the bud.
Is that a saying?
Nip it in the bud.
Nip it in the bud.
Nip it in the bud.
I sometimes say nip it in thebutt.
Do you know what?
Nip it in the butt.
Nip it in the bud.
Do you know when you like chop abud from flowering before it

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flowers.
Oh, is that what that's from?
I think so.
Okay.
Nip it in the bud.
That makes sense to me.
Nip it.
What does nip cut?
Nip is weird word.
So like they're gonna nip it inthe bud and they're gonna be
done with it.
Didn't get done with it.
Two years later, flash forward.
So the first two weeks werecutesy.
We were, We were working out, wewere trying to, didn't new.
We were, We were cooking athome.
They had closed everything, Iguess.

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grocery stores.
People were buying toilet paperleft and right.
Oh my God.
The toilet paper.
Remember that toilet thing?
Oh my God.
I mean, like, I.
Wish I didn't.
The toilet paper thing wascrazy.
That was so embarrassing for usalso like having to go to the
grocery store like,'causethey're still open.
I remember also my mom was like,you need to go to the grocery
store and stockpile three weeksto a month, weeks worth of
supplies.
And I was like, no, I'm notgonna do that.

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But you can.
And she did.
And she did.
She did.
She's a freak.
Oh.
If my mom ever listen to this,she'd be like I disown you.
I love my mom, but I You do talka lot of shit about her.
Yeah, you do do that to her.
I love her.
She's a little bit insanethough, for sure.
And I love her.
Where do you think you got itfrom?
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
So what I'm trying to say is whywere we buying toilet paper?

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No, I didn't panic by anything,but why were we buying toilet
paper of all things like.
If you run on toilet paper, youcan use other things to wipe if
you felt, if you like, worsecomes to worse.
Did we have our tushies then?
But like what if you No, we gottushies in the pandemic.
We got tushies in the pandemic.
That was a pandemic thing.
But at the end of the day, youshould also, you should be
stockpiling food in case foodgoes awry.
Yeah.

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Aw, rye.
A rye.
Aw Rye.
I don't fucking know.
So they close on everything inToronto.
Everything.
Everything was closed.
Honestly, I'm not gonna lie toyou.
That first six months is alittle bit of a blur.
Yeah.
Oh, we didn't do anything, butthat's why Yeah, because we
didn't do anything is March,April, may, June.
Okay.
April, may, June, July, August,September.
So that's six months.

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We did have kind of a funsummer, that was the start of
summer.
So like the weather was good.
Bubbles bubble.
So like you could bubble sitbubble.
You could sit in like circles atthe park.
So the interesting thing is thatToronto took the idea of the
circles in the park, the likesocially distanced circles where
you could sit with four people.
We took that from San Francisco,started that.
They did it ADO Park together.

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Yeah, they did it at DoloresPark today.
Yeah, they started at DoloresPark and then we took that idea
and put it in at BellwoodTrinity.
Bellwood.
Yeah.
The people were like atBellwoods Park and I was like.
Why are we sat in circles?
Circles like chalked on theground, so fucking looking back.
Hello.
Stupid.
Also, like if we have commonsense also now that knowing the
things that we know, uhhuh,knowing the things that we know.
Uhhuh, Knowing what we know.

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Everything we did was pointless.
Totally.
It made no difference.
We've seen it.
We've seen the difference.
Yeah.
That we made.
Yeah.
You've seen the data.
It made no difference.
The data is there.
Like Texas and Florida, theydidn't fucking do anything.
And, but we was, so it was allthe same.
We, I think,'cause we had areally really strict US two,
both of us, we had a reallystrict experience with Covid.
we really did spend a lot oftime in the first like couple

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months, like isolated.
We like stopped going to thegym.
Like you worked out outside.
And I like tried, I think Ibought a bench and like some
random weights and I was, webought a bench in weights and
those were sold out for so long.
I think like one of the lastones.
Yeah.
And I was like, oh, I made,that's good.
I was like, we have to get onthis right now.
Yeah.
That's buy a bench on Amazon.
I was like, we're we were tryingto make.
The best out of a bad situation,but it just turned out really

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depressing.
It's just you can only move yourfurniture so much.
Yeah.
Every day without wanting toactually, and we were also
living, just to describe ourliving situation.
We were in a typical Toronto, ohmy God.
Our apartment, bedroom,apartment.
Apartment was the size of thisliving room.
Yeah.
Our entire apartment was thesize of this living room.
Yeah.
If you live in Toronto or knowabout Toronto, then you know,
it's like condo, concrete,central.
With just like windows and grayand that's it.

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So it was like a two bedroom,two bathroom the ceiling was so
low and we had a balcony, butlike, how often do you use a
balcony in Toronto?
It was huge.
Yeah, I think we did quite abit.
Yeah.
But like we did quite a bit.
Not for most of the year, forlike a portion of the year.
From from June to September.
So that first period was, Isaid, that's where I get like
most of my weight.
No, that's my depression.
It's not, was it not?

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It's not.
You're incorrect.
Was that second wave?
Yes.
Oh, it was number two.
You're incorrect now.
I don't remember a lot, but Iremember that.
So March to September?
Yes.
We were having a summer.
Yes, we were having a good time.
I think I was actually, oh yeah,I was actually fine then.
in the first year, so betweenMarch pandemic started and
August Uhhuh, we just were doingnothing other than like posting

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videos on TikTok.
We gained half a millionfollowers on TikTok.
Yes.
So I was like, I'm saying.
Career wise for a lot of people,actually covid pushed you in
like tr the TR trajectory ofmost people's, like social media
careers would not have been theway that they were if it wasn't
for the pandemic.
A fucking dreadful time.
Totally.
But 2020 was really whatcatapulted us.
Because I dunno if you alsoremember August of that first

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year, 2020 was when we did thatbillboard campaign.
Yes.
With TikTok Canada.
So TikTok Canada they reachedout to six creators in Canada
and we were one of them as likeup and coming stars because they
just opened the TikTok Canadaoffice.
Yeah.
And then they did like abillboard, like a huge billboard
campaign, like mm-hmm.
it was nationwide and we werelike featured on billboards on
Young and Dundas Square.
It was.
Crazy.

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And then they went live inNovember of that year.
And the photos from thatNovember, we look snatched
still.
Yeah, we look great.
Okay.
It wasn't until the followingyear that I drank two bottles of
wine a day.
I define those years in my lifewhether I was like fat or not.
Yeah, I know.
Yeah, me too.
anything about 2020 you want toadd?
2020.
No, it was like culturallydefining though.

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We had a lot of moments, I feelmoments, oh my God, we bought a
fan.
I completely missed that.
That's crazy.
So we bought.
It was in that moment.
No, it was in your moment.
You dumb ass.
You you, you agreed with it.
my mom just sold her a housethat we grew, the house that we
grew up in, and I used the moneythat she gave me to buy a van.
So you like to think, you liketo go retrospectively and say

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that it wasn't your decision aswell.
But we decided to togetherbecause this was in the era of
like camper vans and like goingoff the grid.
TikTok, his entire TikTok feedwas camper vans.
Van Life, Van Life hashtag VanLife 2020 and it was.
Honestly it was pretty cool.
The gadgets and the gizmos thatyou can put in a van.
So cool.

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We made the decision to buy avan in like, I wanna say
September of that year.
Yeah, the end of summer and itwas at the end of summer because
everything about us screamspeople who know how to do manual
labor.
Camping camping.
Our best friend in Toronto,she's a camper.
Her and her husband, they arecampers.
We are not campers.
We are not campers.

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We tried Look at us, we tried,look at us.
Ew.
I'm so sorry.
Just we weren't even camping.
We were inside a van, so weweren't even technically like
camping.
We had a bed, but the thing waswe bought this having to wake up
in the middle of the night to goand pee, and then we had a
little like weird little toilet.
So I found, okay, so I found acamper van on KA Gigi.
Whoa, I forgot about that.

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Oh my God.
That just triggered me.
We found a camera van on KaGigi, which is like Craigslist.
It's like a Craigslist ofCanada.
And it was a Ford E two.
Oh God.
Everything in Canada is lame,isn't it?
That is so embarrassing.
Ka Gigi.
Ka Gigi couldi.
That is so embarrassing.
That sounds like a slur.
It does.
Oh, so it was a Ford E two 50camper van.
I've said that so much becausewe did so many tiktoks on it.

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I was like, we did like, how doyou remember that?
Because one of our videos cameup recently and it was like a
year or two or three ago, and itwas like, hi, we're Matt Omar
and we just bought a Ford E two50 camper van.
Ew.
I was like, what was I trying tobe with like nice, like vlog
music behind it.
I was like, hello, do do.
Exactly.
And it was so it was alreadyredone?

(17:34):
It was, we bought it for$20,000Canadian dollars.
It sounds like a lot actually,like a good price for a redone
camper ban.
And it had a bed that was toosmall for both of us.
Yep.
Because we were our tall peopleand I think it was five foot, I
think it was a five foot doublebed.
cause it had to fit in like aworker van.
a, it was a van.
Van, but it also wasn't likelong, like length waves of the
van.
It was like short waves from thevan.

(17:55):
Yes.
And how do I describe that inaudio form?
'cause obviously I just gave avisual representation of what
that looks like.
The bed was not the length ofthe van.
It was the width of the van.
Yes.
So from wall to wall, not fromlike trunk to front seat.
Yes.
So that's not a big space fortwo grown adult men.

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Yeah, it was tiny.
Oh, we'll get to my non-binaryphase instead.
Oh, Oh my God.
That's, wait, so much happened.
Okay.
Stick on the van.
So much happened.
Stick on table.
The non-binary shit.
We'll stick on the camper van.
Shit, we were so fucking weird.
Oh my.
Oh my God.
we were.
We were weird camper vans.
And blue haired liberals.

(18:40):
Oh my God.
Camper van had solar power.
It had running water.
It had a sink.
Not for long.
Not for long.
So as soon as, as soon asanything went wrong, we went on
a few trips.
We went on a few trips with it.
Do you know why that happened?
the sink worked.
There was a faucet that like ranwater.
Yeah.
But we started camping in likeSeptember, October, November.

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In Canada, December.
We are cold.
We're like going into like ruralOntario and there were no
facilities.
There are no, open your eyeswhen I say this.
There are no facilities forcamping in the winter.
So when anything would break orthe water would freeze, so we

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didn't have any water.
We should've like, I'm like, whyis the water not coming out of
the, the the guy, I can't brushmy teeth'cause it's frozen into
a thin block.
So needless to say, we didn'tknow what was happening with
most of it.
And then we stopped using thewater.
The solar probably needed to fixthe engine.
Ran out.
Oh, so because we were gone whenwe went to, oh, 2021.

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This is the end of the camperstory.
2021.
We went to Mexico for six weeks.
We left the camper van we werelike allowed to travel for the
first time.
We were like, I'm going toMexico.
Fuck you.
Yeah.
So we fucked off to Mexico forsix weeks.
Left the camper on the street.
we had parking inside ourbuilding, but we couldn't use it
because the van was too tall tofit inside the garage, which is
so annoying.
Seven feet and then it, so wewould like be driving around.

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Queen West looking for parkingevery time.
We need to seize the van on thestreet with our massive ass van.
It was ugly.
It was a white, yeah.
A white worker van.
Yeah.
It was like, you wanna look inmy van kind of van?
That's exactly the kind of vanit was.
Exactly.
And then we tried to make itnice.
We did a West Elm campaign.
Oh my God.
Did a West Collabor.
I could talk about, wait, this,we could change your whole

(20:26):
episode.
I forgot how much happened.
There's so much happened.
We did a West Elm collaboration.
X van we decorated where westyle the van out.
Yes.
With West Elm shit.
Yeah.
Like it looked kinda cute.
No, it was cute.
It was very bohemian, let's saythat I must say the film, it was
like really great practicalitywise.

(20:47):
It was not very functional, butit looked cute.
No, we tried to hang so muchshit on the walls and I'm like,
it just fell off because we werein fan.
Yeah.
Crazy.
I'm so embarrassed that we didthat, but my point was when the,
when we left it for six weekswhen we went to Mexico.
The engine died.
Yeah.
Because it was cold and needed.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And that you needed to juststart it every so often.
Wouldn't start, had to take itto a mechanic multiple times to

(21:09):
get it fixed.
Had so many issues with it.
We had to get it towed thattime.
We had to get it towed that timebecause we couldn't fucking move
it.
Yeah.
Because we were idiots.
Like we didn't know anythingabout cars.
Do I know anything about a car?
No.
We had an electric car now.
I didn't know anything about it.
Exactly.
I don't need to, the like wiperthing was on for seven months
and I was like, let me figureout how to put like wiper fluid
in this thing.
Okay.
Stop yelling at me.

(21:29):
Fuck.
And then so then we eventuallysold it.
We in the camper van story, weeventually sold it for the same
amount of money.
Exactly the same amount.
We bought it for$20,000.
So random German guy in thenorth of Ontario somewhere.
B be Belleville.
Belleville in Belleville,Ontario, Bellevue Belleville,
Belleville, drove it up toBelleville and took the go train

(21:51):
back and took the go train back.
He gave me a check for.
20,000.
20,000 Canadian dollars.
Was it 20,000?
It's 20,000 Canadian dollars.
That's crazy work.
We sold it for exactly how muchwe got it for.
It was not, I'm sorry if theGerman guy's listening.
No, I know.
It was not worth that.
I know.
Sorry.
We scammed you.
Sorry, girl.
I didn't scam.
I didn't scam.
I put it up for$20,000 and hetook it for$20,000.
Yeah.
And I said there was work thatneeded to be done and he took it
and do you know what the thingis?

(22:13):
We'll call that a slightinvestment.
On return because we got themoney back.
We put down 20,000.
We got exactly as much as wepaid for it back.
It was a savings account.
Exactly.
Go us.
Wow.
We're so smart.
Should we buy another van?
No.
Now what about this non-binaryboss?

(22:36):
I'm kidding.
The pandemic started, and if youor anyone or or a loved one
experienced were affected by,were affected by non-binary.
Non-binary is a you be ent.
You may be entitled tocompensation.
Wait, that's too funny.
That was a good one.
That was a good one.
I'm keeping it.
Oh my God.

(22:56):
Okay.
You can joke about it.
This is, you're curious.
Yeah, I know.
Yeah, you can joke.
I lived as a they them for asecond.
More than a second.
So the pandemic came about andTikTok.
My for you page was very.
Hey, do you think you might bedifferent from everyone else
around you?
If so, you could be non-binary.

(23:18):
It's like a BSA that went out toeveryone.
No, literally.
It's like indoctrination and Iwas like wait.
That's true.
It might be.
Yeah.
And honestly, like I'll get toit probably in another episode
if we wanna talk about thatgender identity, like
exploration of that?
I exploration, exploration,exploration.
Oh, it's an exploration.
My exploration.
Is that the exploration of mygender identity?

(23:39):
Yeah.
No, no, no, no.
I really leaned into it.
I like, I found this likecommunity online and I like
really was like, whoa, this iscrazy.
And I did a lot of learning'cause I had nothing else to do
other than consume content.
And then I was like fully in,immersed into the non-binary.
World.
I've always had these likeemotions and feelings.
the coming out episode, I wastalking about how when I was
first as a child discoveringlike sexual attraction, I was

(24:02):
like, maybe I'm supposed to be awoman because I have these
feelings and I don't what gaymeans yet.
So that's just the only way Ican identify that in my head.
Turns out I just like boys and Iwas a bi.
And then in the pandemic, I waslike, I think I'm non-binary
because I don't really feel likeI've always 100% identified as
male.
But I've never identified asfemale.
But also, I don't think, notmale and female, but like boy

(24:23):
and girl.
In the way that gender is,because I do feel like gender is
a spectrum, or like gen genderexpression is a spectrum.
in the pandemic.
I swung that pendulum to theleft.
Swung it.
No, I fucking, I fucking What'sthe, what's that thing that Miss
Trench Bull does in Matilda, theshot put, oh yeah.
I fucking shot, put thatpendulum all the way to the blue

(24:45):
head bitch side.
And I did, I dyed my hairlavender.
You did.
You were a blue haired liberal.
Yeah, I really was blue haired,they them liberal.
And I was a barista at onepoint, so Oh my God.
The cliches kept cliche.
You honestly just had to, youhad to fill that role for a
second.
And I think as well, like in mymind, I think this is a lot, I
feel like a lot of non-binarypeople experience when they
first like figure out, or likewant to explore gender identity

(25:07):
away from like the social norm.
They lean heavily the opposite.
Mm-hmm.
Way.
And I was like.
Practicing like makeup for thefirst time and like wearing
clothes that I'd never would'veworn before, and those took a
long time to figure out myfashion.
Don't scroll back.
You heathens.
Scroll back.
Don't I delete everything?

(25:28):
I delete it all.
Scroll back on the TikTok.
Don't.
No, don't do that.
You fuck you.
Little fuck.
There's still, I'm about deletethose.
You little fucker.
I'm not scrolling back all theway.
You little fucker.
It's way hard to scroll down onTikTok all the way.
No, I know.
For Instagram supposed befucking seconds.
Exactly.
yeah.
Had that moment and yeah, alittle house on the prairie.
Yeah, I did wear like a littlefrock here and there.

(25:48):
Your fashion, I would describeeveryone did that.
No, I know, like a little like,like a little peasant witch.
Everyone dressed like a littlepeasant witch at one point or
another during the pandemic.
Okay.
It was just the frog.
You even, it was the frocks.
I know you even, I experimentedas well.
Mine was like full witch peasantfrom Salem witch trials but in
the middle of being burnt at thestake, that is exactly how I

(26:11):
dress.
That was my aesthetic for likemost of 2020.
Also, I bought an iPad and I waslike, I illustrate now, do you
remember that Very millennialillustrations?
I do.
No.
I was like, let me buy an iPadand trace.
Trace things.
Let me get like a picture.
And then, what's the fucking appcalled that?
Everyone the, the fuckingdrawing app?
InDesign?
No, no, No.

(26:31):
There's a, like every littlemillennial girl who will just
buy an iPad and download thisone.
It's like a, I don't know, it'sone app.
I fucking can't remember it.
But it's a great app and I wouldlike, I'd be like, I'm an artist
and I'd like.
Trace shit.
But we sold some stuff.
Uh, We sold t-shirts.
I Desi actually did design thoset-shirts.
We did have gay ass merch for asecond.

(26:52):
We had gay ass merch and then Ihad phone cases I designed Yeah.
And sold those.
Wow.
So you could say I really wasbroadening my horizons in 2020.
We were experimenting.
It was an experimenting time.
Yeah.
It was time for experimentation,honestly.
Was it that bad?
Actually, no.
Wait.
It was bad when we got fat.
Yeah.
Yeah.
2021 was bad.
Yeah.
2022, no shit.

(27:13):
2020 was 2020 was good.
Pretty okay.
Yeah, it wasn't that bad.
2021 was when things got uh, wealso like stopped making money
in 2020.
Like we stopped gettingcampaigns.
Yeah, I guess so.
'cause no one was doingcampaigns, so like our, no, I
guess that first six months ofthe pandemic.
We weren't making any money.
No.
but I, but I will say what onething happened.
What all of a sudden, I thinkthis specifically happened in

(27:33):
Canada.
I think it happened like inNorth America, but I think
specifically in Canada, everyonewas all about the diversity.
All of a sudden everyone waslike, wait, we should hire not
white people all the time.
Yeah.
Which was a crazy concept.
This was doing like 2020 was aBlack Lives Matter protesting.
Yeah.
And so people were like, let'spay people fairly and let's

(27:55):
like.
Maybe diversify our entire teamsand then all of a sudden all
these stories were coming outand like I remember I wrote a
story about like my oldworkplace.
a girl at at my old job inToronto.
She was like looking for stories'cause she wanted to write a
think piece.
Yeah.
On our old hotel.
And I was like, I got quite thestory for you.
about the mistreatment of pc.
Yeah.
Mistreatment of anyone whowasn't white.

(28:16):
Yes.
I was like, you didn't say why.
Yeah.
Sorry.
I was like, I did in my head.
so towards the end of 2020.
I started seeing an increase inearnings all of a sudden.
And that was crazy.
So by 2021 this was when I waslike fully in my like blue head
bitch.
Blue head, 2021 blue head bitch.
But drinking a bottle of wineevery, at least two bottles of
wine every single night.

(28:37):
Yeah.
And gaining weight and dressinglike a, like a.
Honestly like a 1920s midwife.
But the brand saw you and theysaid tick that box.
Tick that box.
Tick that box.
a brown, non-binary ex-Muslim.
Oh my God.
I could keep you going with the,with the everything.
With the little, um, Identities.
Yeah, maybe identities.

(28:58):
All the identities.
All of all of All of them.
Collecting them like Pokemon.
Canada was, and I think is veryprone to tokenism.
I fucking brand specifically,girl.
I know.
I was like, do you know what?
I'll take it.
Pay me, I'll take it.
No, see you've got so muchmoney.
You've got so many campaigns.
I started not getting anycampaigns'cause they were like,
no white people.
20, 20, 21.
They were like one white personon the campaign.
2021 I could say was probablythe most depressed I've been in

(29:20):
a really long time.
A hundred percent.
And then I gained a lot ofweight and I was just like not
happy.
And also just like life wasshit.
second wave and the lockdown wasso much more intense.
Yeah.
And winter.
First winter stuck at home.
Wintert leave, we couldn't leavefrom September of 2020 to March
of 2021.
We didn't leave our house.

(29:42):
Yeah, we didn't speak to asingle person in face to face.
Yeah.
We spent New Year's Eve byourselves in our own apartment
FaceTiming with our friend.
This was during Zoom, Marioparty days.
Oh my.
And like Zoom.
DJ sets whole food depressing asfuck.
That was the worst.
That was when I started eating alot.
Drinking a lot.
You started eating a lot.
Drinking a lot more.
So drinking.
I would eat so much because Iwas bored.

(30:04):
I was like, what the fuck am Idoing that lot?
I see.
Honestly, I would be like 4:00PM thank fucking start drinking
now.
Yeah.
I honestly, I would be like,thank God I can start drinking
now.
Yeah.
'cause what else am I gonna do?
I'd wake up at I don't know.
10 11.
Make a few tiktoks.
Yeah.
Put up a few videos.
Don't do any work.
Suck drinking.
Again, nothing reallymeaningful.
Like we were, like, we wereactually, I think our content, I

(30:24):
was like a blob of a person.
We were a blob of blob blob ofpeople.
We were two blobs blob people.
We were two blobs just likeblobbing together, like doing
nothing.
But I think our content that wemade was really meaningful for
people in the pandemic.
Totally.
Because it did bring a lot ofpositivity in a very negative
time.
Totally.
People really enjoyed ourBritish versus English
challenge, which was, yeah, itwas like a road to success.
I guess I was gonna sayrotisserie.

(30:44):
I was like, whatcha talkingabout rotisserie for?
It was a road to success.
What?
I don't know.
That was a road to success.
Yeah.
No, that sounded likerotisserie.
Rotis success.
We should have a littlerotisserie, like a fake one
chicken, a little rotisseriechicken in the middle of the
table, just so we can havesomething at the table.
That'd really cute.
Should we get like a fakerotisserie chicken because we
love rotisserie?
Something about us as well.
I'm gonna, I'm gonna about to,I'm about to spill some lore.

(31:06):
Lore.
Lore.
Yeah.
Whenever we say something whereit's like, say, we say like, oh,
I'm done, or something's done,we say it.
Chicken ready?
Or like it's chicken done.
Why?
I don't know.
Why.
Why?
Oh my god.
tell me when you're done in theshower.
Oh, the chicken's ready?
Or maybe the chicken's ready.
Maybe that's how it started.
I don't know.
You'd say the chicken's ready.
And then it started being, itstarted it, it evolved from it's

(31:26):
chicken ready to like chickenready or like I'm done in the
shower.
I'd be like chicken done.
And now with the Jen Moji thing,I typed in chicken done on Jen
Moji and it would be like arotisserie chicken with like
steam coming off of it.
And I'd be like, great.
That's how you know I'm done inthe shower.
I'll send you a rotisseriechicken with steam coming off of
it.
To let you know I'm done in theshower.
We are so dumb.

(31:47):
Chicken done.
That is so dumb.
Yeah.
I love it.
Well, chicken done, Chickendone.
Back to the topic of fuckinghand.
Jesus Christ.
Huh?
The topic at hand.
Oh, the topic at hand.
I thought you said chopping theham.
What?
I don't know what's happening.
2021.
That was bad.
How?
What else?
Okay.
When did the pandemic endPandemic still has it?

(32:09):
End?
Wear your mask.
Shut up.
No.
No.
No, I'm not doing that again.
I'm not going back.
We are not going back.
I don't if a pandemic happens, Idon't think the majority of
people would be able to gothrough what we went through
again.
No.
At least we're in sunnyCalifornia this time round.

(32:30):
I have emotions and feelings.
We were very also, I think,'cause we couldn't leave the
country for ah, that long.
oh, that, this was the time, Idon't know if you know this, but
there was an Instagram accountcalled Gaze Over, gaze Over
Covid.
Gaze Over That should be theepisode name.
Gaze Over Covid.
Gaze Over Covid.
Got it.
Love Gaze Over Covid.

(32:51):
That's so funny.
That a time.
That was a time I'm dead.
That was so funny.
It was the most self-righteousbullshit at the time though.
I was like, oh my God, get themdiva.
Literally at we were, we werevery much behind because we were
also self-righteous pieces ofshit.
To explain what it was, it wasan Instagram account dedicated
to outing gay people who weregoing on vacation during Covid.
Yeah.

(33:11):
Basically somewhat notable likemini influencer.
Influencers.
Influencers, yeah.
Influencers or like people.
Who were, I don't know, present,had presence on the internet or
just when like a bunch of gaypeople would be out of the
country during Covid.
It would be like, attack themlike a bunch of people.
Went to PV for New Year's, forNew Year's Eve.
And like this account named andshame them.
This account went and foundVenmo history'cause some people

(33:33):
didn't post it was like public.
You can make it public.
Yeah.
And was finding receipts forpayments to places in.
Pv, I am sorry if you to findout that this certain people
were like traveling during thepandemic.
That's crazy.
I'm sorry if you have nothingbetter to do than sit on your
little phone and call out somany people.
I wouldn't know.
I who, that was what benefit is,what are you doing?

(33:55):
What is the benefit?
At the time I, I was like, oh myGod.
Yeah, I get them.
Yeah.
But like looking back on it now,I'm like, what the fuck?
What were you doing again?
You need to realize our mindsetsat the time were twisted.
Totally.
So we were like, this is a goodthing, I think.
Mm-hmm.
Until we realized it wasn'tYeah.
It was like, this is kind ofhateful and like really toxic
and it's also harming people'slives a little bit.

(34:17):
Also, it didn't matter.
Nothing mattered.
It's just mean spirited.
No, it's really and at the endof the day, like when you really
think about it and like whenyou, like retrospectively.
Retrospectively, yeah.
Is that when you look at thingsfrom afterwards?
Yeah, Yeah.
Fuck me.
Nothing.
It didn't matter.
It didn't matter.
It didn't matter.
So you're being hateful for noreason.
Oh.
Oh, you think you're a gossip?
Go.
Okay.
Literally, good job.

(34:37):
You fucking loser.
I think we were part, we werelike.
Egging it on because I think Ihad so many arguments with
people.
I had an argument with this oneinfluencer about it um, that
went traveling.
Uh, Oh.
I, me, I stayed outta the drama.
I was into the drama for somereason because I think.
We were jealous, honestly forsure that we couldn't leave the
country and go on vacation.
We were fat and gray, fat anddecomposing.

(35:01):
Literally in Canada, in Toronto.
And I was like, I really, twoblob people, two living people
living in an igloo, two littleblah.
People living in, in igloo.
That was us in 2021.
And then we drink wine and cry.
And that's also the name of thispodcast.
No, I think that was a stupidtime and people were a always

(35:23):
looking for something to do andsomeone to be mad at and
something to make themselvesfeel purposeful.
Maybe that was why peopleattacked gay people who went to
places, and I was like, what isthe purpose anyways?
Do you know our opinion on that?
That it had no purpose?
Yeah, that was crazy.
What else happened in 2021?
Oh, we got married.
We got married in the meantime.

(35:45):
Oh my God.
We're applying for permanentresidency in Canada.
Because we'd just been applyingfor it for two years by this
point.
We were in the process of atleast for a good three years by
this point.
Yeah.
But then they stopped takingapplications.
We were like doing the most toget there.
So I think two years into livingin Canada, we were, no, not
even.
I think for after the first yearof living in Canada, we were
taking actionable steps to applyfor permanent residency.

(36:05):
Yes.
We were like going to theEnglish exam.
We were like paying all thatmoney to get our like degrees.
Transcribe to the Canadianstandard of Yeah, yeah.
yeah.
Edu, whatever the fuck that was.
Yeah.
We spent thousands of dollarsWell, They stopped taking
applications for about two yearsfrom, they stopped taking
immigrants.
Into the country for two years.
Yeah.
And then by that time thequalifications had changed and

(36:28):
like our application was moot.
And also I think we decided thatwe did not want to live in
Canada anymore after all thatexperience through Covid.
Well, I, I think, I think theday that we found out that we
were like, could, there was noway for us to get permanent
residency.
We'd have to do anotherapplication.
I had a year left on our visaand.
We were self-employed, so itwas, there was no avenue for us
to do it.
Like within the year.
when we found out, I was like,okay.

(36:49):
I was like, you were sad'causeyou, I think you thought like I,
careers were like reallythriving and whatever.
But then I was like, it'sactually fine.
I don't think I care that much.
But like our lives were.
Settled.
We had a great friendship groupwho were like our core friends.
Some of our core friends in lifelove them to death and it was so
sad to have to leave them.
But isn't it so amazing that wehave friends all over the world?

(37:09):
Yeah.
we found out we couldn't stay inthe country and then within two
weeks we had organized awedding.
One of the said friends, her.
Now husband's parents offeredtheir backyard in Guelph,
Ontario.
And we got our marriage licenseorganized, everything.
We could only have a group of10, 10 total.
So us two, seven of our friends,the officiant and four of our

(37:32):
dogs.
Got married in our bestfriend's, husband's parents'
backyard.
'cause her, she was like, I justplanted flowers.
And we just got a pool installedin like a hot tub and we were
like, okay, let's do it.
It was excellent.
I was just gonna go to city halland just be done with it.
This was like June.
It was like a beautiful day.
It was like the end of June.
So really nice.
So Toronto, like Ontario, end ofJune.
It was like good, like 25degrees.

(37:53):
Yeah, it was so nice.
And then, yeah, we got marriedand then we also like, we have a
year left in Canada.
The application process for agreen card takes at least a
year, most likely a year and ahalf to go through all of the
things.
It is like the most tragicwaiting game you've ever been
in, waiting for a green card tothis fucking country.

(38:14):
So we knew we had to start rightaway, so that's why we did our
marriage license in two weeks.
We got married, we were likegood to go.
If you dunno, Matt's from the usWe got married so I could move
here.
Yeah.
Green car wedding.
Yeah, but also love.
Also love.
Also love.
Mostly love.
Like we were gonna get, we weregonna get married eventually.
But this like just were we?
Yes.
Were we for tax reasons?
Oh yeah.
I love tax.

(38:35):
I love tax.
But then we, I love tax'cause Idon't have to think about it.
Yeah, you don't do the taxes.
I do.
We have an accountant.
Yeah.
I tell them what to do.
I have never spoken to theaccountant for in my life.
It's fine.
I have these emails come in andI'm like.
It says like tax or likesomething to do with your
accountant.
And I'm like, I'm ignoring that.
If I don't know anything aboutit, it doesn't exist to me.
There is always one person inthe relationship who's the

(38:55):
financial one.
Yeah.
And that is me.
And then there's one that's theentertainer.
Exactly.
You provide the substance.
Thank you.
You're welcome for saying that.
You're welcome.
I also provide the substance forspilling diva.
We got married blah, blah, blah.
Moved to the us You all know.
You know the story.
Yeah.
You know that story thathappened in the Was the
pandemic.
That was in the pandemic.
Yeah.
Pandemic wedding.
Yeah.
Pandemic.

(39:15):
Shotgun.
Wedding elopement.
That was a lot 20.
That was a lot more than Ithought.
It was A lot more.
I think there's a lot more thathappened too.
I think I always think of myselfas two years younger than I am
right now, because those twoyears are such a blur for me.
Me, I'm not say too, no.
32 is I'm 28.
Crazy.
I feel like I've just turned 30.
Yeah.
So I'm sorry.
I don't care.

(39:36):
Yeah.
I like, I don't care.
I think that happened for a lotof people.
Like those two years just feellike nothing happened, but so
much happened and so muchhappened.
So that we blocked it all out.
Yeah.
'cause it was a traumatic time.
we put that little in my, we putthat in the box in the back of
our heads.
In my mind though, I do wonderlike how life, obviously like
how life would've been big fat,what if but.
What would our lives look likeif there was no pandemic?

(39:56):
Because we were making newfriends.
We were like socializing more,like our social circle was like
expanding.
We were forming like reallygreat friendships, which ended
up being long lastingfriendships because the pandemic
didn't stop us from keeping intouch with our closest friends,
but we were like working out sowell.
I feel like I was like, it wasthe first time I was on a good

(40:16):
trajectory with like fitnessTotally.
And total health and nutrition.
And we went vegan that year 2,20 20?
No, it was 2019.
Beginning of 2019.
We were vegan fully through thepandemic.
And we were gonna move toVancouver too.
We were gonna move to Vancouver.
Wait, there is an alternatetimeline version of us that
didn't experience the pandemic.
We moved to Vancouver.
We got permanent residency.
Yeah.
And we live in Vancouver, vegan.

(40:38):
And we're vegan, blue haired,liberal.
And we're blue haired liberalfreaks.
We're still liberal.
Okay.
Just to note, I'm saying bluehair liberal because it was a
fucking sound on TikTok.
I'm still a liberal.
I just think it's funny.
No, I think it's funny.
I just think it's funny.
I just need to note, unlesssomeone comes into this podcast.
Yeah.
And this is the first thing theylisten to and they're like,
these conservative gays.
And I'm like, that's not me,baby.

(40:59):
No.
It's just a joke.
but that would be an alternatetimeline and we've, that is the
alternate timeline.
Vegan living in Vancouver,permanent residence of Canada,
and just like constantly wetfrom the rain.
I know.
you hate your hair being wet.
I know.
I am well aware.
Why are we gonna move toVancouver?
I'm well aware You're from theuk.
I am well aware.
You were like, I am fine withthe rain because I living in,

(41:20):
I'm from the, I'm fromManchester.
It's like one of the rainiestplaces in, literally in the uk.
That's Vancouver's more rainy.
No, I know.
I Google, I remember I Googledit.
Yeah, actually I think they getlike the same amount of rain and
you're like, I can tellwhenever, like I, like sometimes
I like to just see like how mymom is, how my mom is
experiencing the day.
And I like, we'll just like,check the weather in Manchester
Rain.
Yeah.
Five degrees Great Celsius.

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Stunning.
Fuck.
Those people exist in the world,in, in another timeline.
Parallel universe.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And we are here, those people,but I don't think, okay.
We were like, like we werestill, we were already starting
TikTok and I feel like, I don'tknow if TikTok itself would've.
Had this humongous explosionwithout the pandemic, if it
wasn't for the pandemic andpeople having nothing to do.

(42:02):
Totally.
I don't think it would've seenthat many users in that short of
a time period.
Totally.
I don't think it would'vesucceeded.
It might've been fine.
Like it might've been like, whatwas that one app?
Which one?
When we were in Europe, it we,in, in the limbo period between
us moving out of Canada andmoving into the US we had to go
to Europe for a little bitbecause our visas in Canada
expired.
And I had to wait for the USEmbassy to invite me for an

(42:24):
interview in London.
And so we were just like inlimbo in Europe.
Yeah.
And which is a very fine placeto be in limbo.
Yeah.
And we downloaded this app andit was like.
Be real.
Oh my God.
Be real God.
This is 2020 now.
People use that.
This is 2022 now.
Yeah, this is 2022.
When Be Real happened, be realbecause are we still, when did

(42:45):
like officially pandemic likerules end.
2022.
You think so?
Yeah, because I remember like mybirthday's on the 1st of June
and 2020.
My birthday was shit, 2021.
My birthday was shit.
But 2022 I turned 30 and mybirthday was excellent.
And we went out and we saw thesunrise.
It was a great birthday.

(43:05):
It was lifting.
'cause I think you could, youstill had to, we were in Italy
that one time.
And then you said I had to weara mask on the train in 2022.
I think European, like someEuropean cities, countries.
Yeah.
So it was like lifting and likemostly things were like going
back to normal because I alsothink our flight from Toronto to
wherever the fuck we flew, Ithink we flew to Edinburgh, had
to wear a mask.
We had to wear a mask on thatplane wearing a mask.

(43:26):
I didn't even talk.
We didn't even talk about masks.
Masks.
The acne that I got from mymask.
Unparalleled the disgustingnature of a fabric mask.
Like Yeah, you could wear anN95.
I wasn't gonna wear an N95.
I was gonna wear a fabric maskbecause that was, that's what
everyone was wearing.
Or I could wear like a be abejeweled mask like Lana Delray.
What did I, oh, CCY.

(43:47):
Ccy move.
People thought that was a fakemask.
It was.
It was a real mask.
She was wearing a layerunderneath Leave my girl alone.
She was just looking cunty.
I know people tried to cancel itfor it.
This is the era of peoplecanceling everyone I know.
Cancel culture.
Cancel culture.
Horrible.
Should we talk about that in oneepisode?
That's funny.
That's a whole ass.
That's a whole ass episode.
That's funny.
We can delve into so much inseparate episodes.

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When you dig back into it, it'slike there's so many things that
you forgot about or that youblocked out and you're like,
whoa, I forgot we had a campervan.
Her name was Ophelia.
Her name was Ophelia.
A camper Van's name was Ophelia.
We named Ophelia.
Ophelia On Wheels.
Ophs on Wheels.
Short version.
Shortened for Ophs On Wheels.
Ophs on Wheels.
S on Wheels.

(44:30):
There's a story there.
Wait, there's a story.
The time that we got stuck inthe mud in the camera bed.
I will kill myself.
Can we tell it?
I will.
Yeah.
Tell it.
Can that be like, tell it?
Okay.
I, where we were.
I'll preface this story bysaying this.
Incident made me want to jumpoff a fucking bridge.
I think back and I cringe sohard'cause it was the most
embarrassing shit.
We were in fuck nowhere.

(44:50):
We were driving to some randomcamp ground in Ontario.
Yeah.
And it just rained.
And it just rained.
Okay.
So it was like a storm and thenI think it was gonna be nicer
weather.
And I think how he was usinglike the Wiki camps app.
Yeah.
To find these like nicecampsites, remote campsites that
have like great views or likegreat access to like trails or
something.
Yeah.
And this one particular trailwas four wheel drive only.

(45:14):
And I said Matt was drivingobviously.
This was in my passengerprincess era.
Yeah, we should have a licenseand Matt was like, I don't think
we should take this van downthat road.
And I said, what's the worstthat can happen?
We got stuck in the mud.
It was our dog was with us inthe van.
It was the possibly the worstroad I've ever driven on.

(45:37):
There were holes.
There was, it was, there waslike sink holes throughout the
road and we were like, and itwas narrow as fuck.
So it only like one car couldthough go through and back.
Yeah.
And I would have to rev thefucking engine go so fast
through these.
Holes full of water.
Yeah.
In the ground.
Yeah.
Get through.
We had water probably in theengine.
Yeah.
'cause it was very deep and wewere just going through so much.

(45:57):
If you were that German manlistening to this No we didn't.
No, we didn't.
there was a parking lot in thefront and then this trail and
then the actual place with thegood view where you would camp
out was at the end of the trail.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
halfway through, probably stuck.
Stuck.
Stuck in the mud.
The mud grabbed onto our wheelsand said, I'm not letting you
go.

(46:17):
You were gonna stay right herein a, by the grace of Satan,
another driver was coming backthe other way and we were like,
we are stuck.
Do you have anything that canhelp?
He had he had another choice.
'cause it was only one way road.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He couldn't get out until we gotout.
Yeah.
we're all stuck.
So I was like, do you haveanything?
I was so embarrassed.

(46:38):
You know what they had?
They had so much stuff.
Yeah.
Emergency equipment.
They had something to putunderneath the wheels to get the
wheels out, to give the wheelstraction.
They had ropes and pulleys and awhole system, and all of these
members of their family came outand joined them in this quest
and they felt so accomplished.
I was like, do you know what?
Go for it.
And I was like so embarrassed.
'cause I think they were like,they, at the beginning, I think

(47:00):
they were huffing puffing alittle bit.
They were like, what?
Are you idiots?
Yeah.
Yeah.
You dumb fucking gay bitches.
Yeah.
Why the fuck are you over here?
I was like, oopsie.
I didn't know.
I thought we had four wheeldrive.
We have four wheels.
We have four wheels.
I thought that's what thatmeant.
Fuck.
Oh this fucking camper van.
And then we eventually got out.
We did get out, we got, wentback and forth.

(47:21):
A lot of times we went back tothe.
Wet.
We went back, we went back.
There was something rattling inthe car.
And do you know what the momentthe ties were released, that was
a hallelujah moment.
I was like, we're not sellingthis shit.
We put that up on a Gigi I thinkvery soon.
No, we kept it.
That was, oh, we did keep it.
Yeah.
It was 2020 I think.
We didn't go on another tripuntil we didn't go out.

(47:41):
That was traumatizing.
We paused for a while.
Yeah.
'cause that was horrible.
Okay.
I don't wanna talk about thatfucking van anymore.
That was the last story aboutthe van.
And that was the last storyabout the pandemic.
Yeah.
Can you think of anything elsethat happened?
Grown?
No.
We've been going for an hour.
I'm trauma dumped out.
This is when I know I need tostop.
'cause I'm like, I'm like, Ifeel like a, now I feel like a
blob person.
How was the pandemic for you?

(48:02):
Let us know in the comments.
Oh my God.
Sorry to bring up all of thistrauma.
great.
Well, If you enjoyed thatepisode of whatever the fuck
that was, please leave us areview on Apple Podcast and
subscribe wherever you wannasubscribe and follow us
everywhere.
And I'll leave you with this.
These gaze are over covid and Iain't going back.

(48:24):
I ain't going back.
I ain't going back there.
Sometimes I love to put on thislike Republican voice.
and just speak like a Republicanword.
I ain't wearing no damn mask.
It's fun to cosplay.
I love it.
Just let out the innerconservative did full episode as
conservatives, as aconservative.
No.
'cause someone's going to, oh,come onto that episode.
That's true.
And think we're conservatives.

(48:46):
Gage for chomp.
Gage for chomp.
Ew.
Ugly fucks.