May 22, 2025 • 43 mins
Listen, we all had that one cartoon character who we were just a liiiiiitle too attracted to...right? :D well in this episode, we're digging into our gay awakenings and all about our favorite queer media!
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Welcome back to another episodeof Let's Dig In.
We Are Your Hosts.
Matt, why are we, why are wesinging?
Why are we, why is this as smr?
That's as smr.
No, it's not a SMR.
This is an as smr.
Hey guys, we're having a shitday.
No, you have to now have to hearabout it.
Tell everyone what happened.
No, you have to hear about it.
Tell everyone what happens.
What happened yesterday?
'cause I, I was having a shitday yesterday too.
You've been having a shit acouple of days about why it's
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Gemini season.
I should be thriving.
No, but I think it's like a,it's like the pre Gemini season
where it's like you're purgingaway all the things that no
longer serve you and that beingannoyance and annoying people,
you are one of them.
You had your credit card stolen.
I had my credit cards.
You guys, I had my credit cardstolen.
someone went into my locker atthe gym and then opened my
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fucking bag and took my walletout of the bag and then because
what kind of bag do we bring tothe gym, you guys?
I don't have a, a good gym bagand so I've been using my.
My lame croissant.
Your lame croissant bag you putin the locker room in the gym.
That can easily be stolen and socan easily look at you.
No.
No.
What they say?
No, they see this little gay boywalking into the locker room
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with a lame cross.
Boy.
Little, little.
You're welcome.
I called you little, little.
Yeah.
I called you skinny.
You're welcome.
Little gay boy.
Where is, where's the lie?
It's like, it's like kind ofbulbous in like the right
places, but also who you Yeah.
Bulbus.
Oh, you're talking about yourlame croissant bag.
Don't bring that to the gym.
Yeah, I know that's dumb.
I know you are a walking target.
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I know.
But the thing is, they didn'ttake my lame croissant bag.
They didn't take my cardholderand they didn't take my car
keys.
They took out two credit cards,but left two other cards so
random and then I didn't noticeit until I got home.
I was like, oh, why is my, my,my wallet is like out.
On my jacket.
And that's weird'cause it musthave just fallen outta my bag,
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whatever.
Didn't think about it until Igot home and then I got a
notification.
You guys listen, I got anotification from Capital One
and it was like you have afraudulent transaction from OB
plumbing, plum plumbing.
For how much plumbing?
For how much money?
Who's spending$2,000 on plumb?
Bing.
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Someone had a bad poo.
Someone had a bad shit.
Oh my god.
Maybe it was you.
God, it literally was not me.
Did you steal your own creditcards?
No, no, no.
Literally it was me to deal withyour poo this morning.
But like, and then that, thattransaction, and I had, I saw it
come through and I was like, ohmy God, that's not me.
And then I look, looked allaround the house with the credit
card in case I like put itsomewhere else.
Couldn't find it.
Freaked out, realized I wentinto my other fucking app to see
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if that credit card had, it hadbeen used as well for the same
thing.
Crazy.
Why two of the same transactionsto apply the exact same money.
Hmm.
And they're both pending, so Idon't think they went through
either.
Mm.
But I was on the phone to thebanks for ages anyway.
That's me complaining for asecond and it just like, set me
off.
The adrenaline was high.
Nothing like that has everhappened to me before.
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Really?
I never had like, my wallet orlike, or like, ID, I've never
had, you never had yourapproximate charges.
Never, you never had someonejust like go willy-nilly on your
card?
Nope.
That's crazy for you.
No.
'cause I keep my possessionsapart from my randomly always
lose my summer Friday's lipbutter balm.
Wow, that's, that's priceless.
I thought that's expensive.
No, it's expensive.
I know.
The Summer Friday's lip butterbalm in shade brown sugar, which
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is very rare to come by thesedays at Sephora.
Here's the motto of the story.
Don't leave your lame croissantbug in your locker.
What an idiot.
What an idiot.
I'm gonna go and yell at the,the gym tomorrow.
I've got, I finished my solidcore class and I, I opened my
phone and it was just text fromyou being like, Matt, my, my,
and I dunno what to do and I'mhaving, I could to hear you
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hyperventilating through.
That was not the tone I use.
I could hear you hyper.
Oh my God.
You're like, I don't know whatdo do.
And I was like, okay.
I dunno what to do.
You texted me like 20 minutesago.
It was during glass.
I never, I was doing my never.
I had my hyper extensions.
Okay.
Okay.
Good for you.
Whatever.
You're fine.
Now also, you can't see this onthe podcast, but I just wanna
talk about it'cause I'm justlike, I just wanna talk about
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it.
Um, we changed seats again, I'mjust like unhappy with the, the
arrangement we have in thishouse.
So please note the originaltime, the last week you changed
to the couch and it was youridea, and now you've decided to
change again, back to our oldsetup, but with different
chairs.
And aren't you so comfy?
Like, isn't this cute?
I was comfy every single othertime.
No, I don't like the couch.
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I was comfy all the time, so no,I don't like the couch anymore.
Change my mind.
My season is the worst.
I changed my mind.
I changed my mind.
I changed my mind.
When is it over?
When is it over?
I changed my mind like athousand times a day, and so I
changed my mind again and leaveme alone.
And that you guys is yourintroduction.
Welcome to the table.
Well, there's not a tableanymore.
Shut up.
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No one, no one needs to know wedon't have a table anymore.
So like what is the concept?
You're, we're digging in.
It's dinner.
Can we have a coffee table?
That's better.
I.
Come on, let, what's thisfucking episode about?
Okay, so this episode is aboutgay media, queer media.
What the fuck is it?
Yes, we discussed thatyesterday.
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No, I know.
We did discuss that yesterday.
Okay.
By the way, also, you guys, I'mlike talking at you a lot also.
That's what a podcast is.
Yeah, I know.
No, but I'm like, I'm talking tothem as if they're here.
we like really come up with likeideas like on the spot or like
the day before and like this issomething we're gonna do.
And then only rarely, like whenwe really do need to plan or
like have like succinct talkingpoints.
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For example, when we talkedabout like the Grammys or like
when we need to talk about, talkabout things in chronological
order.
Not that I ever do that.
Oh my God, I'm on a roll all ofa sudden.
Then apart from those times, wenever plan anything and we just
like think of a random topic andwe just finished watching
Overcompensating by BenitaSkinner on Amazon Prime.
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On Amazon Prime, not sponsored.
If you wanna, let's pretend, butif you want to give the, gimme
the Bezos money, I don't give ashit.
I would, I would, I would relishin it.
I would relish in.
Oh, I don't know.
Funny joke.
I don't, I was trying to call ita funny joke.
It was really funny joke.
Oh, I didn't know.
I don't know.
Okay.
We just finished watchingOvercompensating by Benito.
What's his actual name?
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Benito Skinner.
Benito Skinner?
Yeah.
Skinner Skinner.
Benito Skinner.
Benny drama, Benny Drama, Mr.
Drama Daddy drama, if you will.
Oh my God.
At this point.
So hot.
I was, my learns were what?
Learns.
My loins were burning yours.
Were going, that's what you justsay.
My learns were going.
That's what you were gonna say.
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Wait, that's what you were gonnasay.
My learns were going, my learnswere going.
My learns were going.
No, my gits were Lloyd.
What my.
Loins were G What are you even Igirded my loins.
My loins were girded.
Yes.
Gird.
Your loins.
Everyone.
Oh, because Bonita.
Skinner is hot.
Now it, it might have been hotbefore, but I didn't really like
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him.
I didn't think he was funnybefore.
Sorry.
Benny drama, but now I thinkyou're hilarious and you're hot.
I think that entire show wasfantastic.
It's was so great.
And that us talking and that gotus talking and thinking about
like queer media and like wherewere we in the world when we
first, when episode one, episodeone, season one of Glee
premiered.
This is not an episode aboutGlee.
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Oh.
It is like we could really, wecould really recount the amount
of times on this show alone.
You have just talked at nonstop.
Yes.
Okay.
We're talking about gay mediaramp and rage about glee.
Glee is an important point inqueer media.
Let me just pause for a second.
I really am happy with this.
Oh my God.
Thank God you're happy.
Enjoy.
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I enjoy the setup alwayscreated.
We spent an hour before thisepisode yelling at each other on
the couch because nothing wasgoing right.
And now everything's goingswimmingly.
So we're gonna dig into gaymedia and I'm going to dig into
Glee.
First.
We are gay media, so I'm talkingabout myself as well.
I'm gonna talk about Glee firstbecause Glee is an important
point of gay media.
Sorry.
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Sorry.
We can go, no, we're sorry.
We talk about that we do this inevery single episode where you,
like, we have a topic and we'relike, what?
How old were you when you firstexperienced this one random
thing in life?
Glee was my first gay show thatI saw.
Yeah, I know.
That's why, and it's the 16thanniversary of the first
episode, so.
Lame.
No important.
Don't stop believing a Gleeoriginal, original song written
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by G.
Does everyone know?
Does everyone know?
I don't know if we've discussedthis on the podcast.
Do you know?
Okay.
Side note that Matt first saw.
This is not a side note.
This is an important point in mylore.
Oh yeah, it is really important.
Lore actually key.
If you wanna understand me, youneed to understand this point.
It also really expensive.
You don't know much about Matt.
At this point, this is really,really important piece of
information to get to understandhim a little bit better because
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he thought that Don't StopBelieving was ugly, original.
He also thought most of themusic on Glee were Glee
original.
Not, not most.
Only the ones that were made pre2000.
Fucking crazy.
So crazy, crazy.
Listen, pre 2000, listen.
No.
Listen, was that when you firststarted listening to music,
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music, music?
That I was six years old?
No, I started listening tomusic.
Music in like a freshman year ofhigh school.
Hello?
Hello?
Hello?
Maybe middle school.
Hello?
Hello.
I was religiously mentally ill.
That is crazy.
I was a sheltered child.
As we have discussed on thispodcast, I was raised in a
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religious family that onlybelieved in the listening to
Christian pop and rock on theradio.
But do you think, oh, our God isan awesome God?
He reigns from heaven above withwisdom, power, and love.
Our God is an awesome God.
Oh, period.
My God.
Oh my God.
That is, that's triggering for alot of people who listen to this
podcast.
My I such water.
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Oh, my, my eyes are watering.
I'm crying.
'cause I'm so upset the aboutthe fact I had to marry you, so,
oh my God.
I'm so upset.
I'm so upset for myself.
Oh my God.
Maybe this Gemini season willfall for divorce.
That is crazy.
When I first started listeningto Glee, that was my first time
listening to like listening.
Oh, because you know you had allthe albums.
I actually didn't.
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No.
Yeah, you did.
I put, I mean, on my iTunes.
On my iPod.
Yeah.
Oh my God.
For sure.
Don't Stop Believing was on myiPod.
You're a lime wire for sure.
When does the first episode ofGlee come out?
Oh, 19 years ago.
16 years ago.
16 years ago was 16.
Fuck.
2009.
Hmm.
Maybe I didn't start listeningto music before then.
I listened to like, I don'tknow, I didn't listen to old
music.
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So this is the thing I onlylistened to, like in my middle
school, I was into like AVRLevine and like, yeah, that's
normal.
And like, you know, those punkpop rock bands, whatever they
called.
But I didn't listen to likeJourney.
Or The Beatles, or, no, nobodylistened to The Journey or The
Beatles.
That was age, but I didn't knowthose existed either.
But I didn't know those existed,so that's why I thought, don't
stop believing when it firstcame on.
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I believe it was ugly, original.
Move on, move on, move on, moveon, move on.
Oh my fuck.
Duh, duh.
Move on.
I'm gonna fucking kill myself.
Move on.
Glee was a very important thing.
It was the first time I saw aboy kids.
Let's talk about the gay things.
Yeah.
The, the point of this episode,believe we're talking about gay,
don't Stop Gay Media.
You guys we're talking about gaymedia.
Everything about, about Glee isgay.
We're talking about gay media,we're talking about gay shit.
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We're talking about shows thatare gay shows that helped us
come out as gay.
Okay.
Shows that helped us realize,wow.
Oh my God.
Maybe I'm like that because.
You need to see yourselfrepresented in media and the
queer media.
And the first time I did thatwas on Glee on whatever season
it was, um, Kurt and Blaine,where Kurt and Blaine had the Yo
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p.
I, that was my first time seeinggay people ki Oh, I need talk on
TVs, don't I?
Oh my God.
Oh, oh my God.
Oh my God.
What?
Do you know?
What do you know?
What, do you know what, what?
I'd rather take you being a,whatever the fuck you are,
gleek.
A gleek.
Oh, say it with Lord.
Say it with pride.
A gleek.
Your husband is a gleek.
And would you look at that?
I could put a drink on my, on myarmchair.
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Would you look at that?
I could put a drink on my armchair.
You're just trying to distractfrom the fact that your
husband's a gleek.
I'm trying to distract from thefact that I married a gleek.
I was thinking about thisearlier.
Don't, so you know, the episode,don't, don't make, don't, don't,
don't make, see.
Do you know that me actuallythrow myself out the window?
What are you gonna say?
See, did you know the episode?
What was that sound you justmade?
Do you know the episode where?
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Uh, Rachel and Kurt have justlike moved into their New York
apartment and, um, unfortunatelyyes, and I don't know, was it
Thanksgiving or it was liketheir first party or something.
Turkey Luki time.
Turkey Lurky time.
So then they had like SarahJessica Parker come in for let's
have a Kiki.
And you know, sh was in that.
Yes.
So my point was.
That.
I don't think at that point intime I had seen sex in the city,
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so I did not know who this ladywas.
Who came?
You were lying.
Who came, walked click clackingin her heels up to you're
fucking lying.
This loft department.
You're fucking lying of Kurt andRachel.
You're fucking lying.
I don't think I knew who SarahJessica Parker was.
Said this point, you are fuckinglying.
No.
So I don't know if I understoodthe gravity of the situation
when that episode aired.
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And let's have a Kiki and TurkeyLuki time were mashed together
and the universe was changedforever.
Oh my God.
And Shang got her start.
Oh, stop.
Oh wow.
Okay.
It gave me unrealisticexpectations of what, um, a
future apartment of mine mightlook like.
You never watched friends.
No, I didn't see friends.
Can you see Monica's fuckinggiant apartment?
You know, I've never seenfriends.
Yeah, I know.
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That's crazy.
You know that fact.
But Rachel and Kurt Hummel.
Yeah.
From Indiana coming to New York.
Is that where it was set?
Was that set in Indiana?
Yeah, it was in Indiana.
Shut up.
I didn't know that.
I didn't even know that.
You don't even know whereIndiana is.
That's crazy.
It is in the Midwest.
Yeah, correct.
It is.
So if you have Ohio here.
So you have Ohio here, then youhave the things above it.
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It's like there, because I havea friend from Indiana.
I don't know where Indiana is.
I I know where it's there.
I'm fucked with you.
I know it's, it goes there.
Yeah.
I don't know where it's, it'sabove Ohio, but like to the
left.
Who cares about that?
Up and above?
Who cares about Indiana?
Anyways, Kurt Humel.
This is also the second timewe've mentioned Ohio.
Kurt homeowner, Rachel Berrygoing into New York and living
in this beautiful loft apartmentwith Sarah Jessica Parker coming
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through unrealisticexpectations.
Well that was the first timeyou've even lied to.
That's crazy.
Where is Indiana?
Oh, it's exactly to the left ofof Ohio.
It's exactly to the left.
Have a huge border.
Well, yeah, that was my firsttime seeing boys kiss and that
was very important for me.
I remember watching it with myfriends in high school.
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I was like, Aw, I have to tellyou something.
What?
I dunno if you know this, butfirst time I saw boys Kiss.
I think I was I'm gonna say 12.
Oh, I'm gonna throw it out thereand say 12.
Okay.
Okay.
I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say itwas 12.
Mm-hmm.
This is gonna be very niche andonly my British baddies will
understand.
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I was watching Holyokes.
Holly Oaks Holyokes.
Never heard of it.
Never heard of it.
It's come at like 6:00 PM onlike channel four.
Soap opera.
Soap opera.
Sounds like it.
Yeah.
A show at 6:00 PM on channelfour.
Sat in, uh, the fictional townof Holyokes in Chester.
Dunno where any of those thingsare.
Or like close to Ches.
Chester.
Where's Chester?
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Cheshire.
Cheshire, yeah.
Cheshire.
Cheshire.
Yeah.
Cheshire.
Cheshire.
Where is it?
It's like south of Manchester.
Okay.
Local.
Kind of, yeah.
Okay.
What was it about?
So it kinda like, you've gotLiverpool, you've got
Manchester, you've got ChesterChes.
Right?
Like right there.
Okay.
What was this famous show aboutHolyokes at the cutting edge of
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queer drama was gay.
There was a, no it was not gay,but there was gay, there was gay
story lines.
Hmm.
Um, if I remember correctly, thetwo characters, they were best
friends in high school and theyhad like a kiss and my mom
walked in and she thought I waswatching.
Bored.
Mm.
She thought I was watchingBored.
That'll do it.
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Because these two boys weremaking out on the tv.
So were they making out or justlike pecking?
They were, they were making out.
Oh, okay.
6:00 PM daytime television.
Well, it's kinda your fault.
I didn't know what was gonnahappen.
Oh, oh yeah.
But I knew they were gonna begay.
I knew they were like gay.
There was lead up to it.
That's when I started watchingit.
'cause I heard from thegrapevine, oh my God, you have
to watch Charlies'cause gay.
So you decided to put that on.
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So I'm 12 at 6:00 PM With yourmom in the house.
Yeah, my mistake.
A little bit of, yeah.
And then when, well, and then Icame out like two years later.
She was like, huh.
Didn't see that one comment.
It's crazy.
Anyway, uh, Craig and Craig, hisname is Craig.
I hate how you say Craig.
How you say?
Craig?
Craig.
Craig.
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Craig.
Craig.
It's Craig.
There's like 10 syllables inthere.
Yeah.
C-R-A-I-E-G.
That's two.
That's five letters.
Why are you saying 10 syllables?
Craig Eye after a equals a likeCraig.
Craig.
Craig.
What was the other guy's name?
Craig.
And who?
Hey.
How do you think Graham as well.
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Graham.
And also, it's so annoying.
Why do you make Make things likea gray?
Because it's gray ham.
It's so long.
It's Graham.
It's so long.
It's Graham and Craig.
Hey you guys this, these are myfriends.
Graham and Craig.
That's so hard to say.
No, Graham and Craig.
That's crazy.
Do you not see how much yourmouth, Graham and Craig?
It's Grey, ham and pre I'm, I'mthe letters in the words.
The syllables of the word mustbe pronounced.
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Listen.
Listen how easy it is.
Oh my God.
Graham and Craig.
Graham and Craig.
Graham and Craig.
It's just Graham and Craig.
There's three syllables.
Graham and Craig.
Grham.
And Craig was the other guy'sname Graham?
No.
Oh, it was, could you imagine?
His name was John Paul and hehad like seven sisters.
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Okay.
Um, they made out his bestfriend and his, and his best
friend was Craig.
And then they made out afterschool one day.
I can't remember the details.
Okay.
But I was like, I have to watchthis show now.
And there was another characterin it called Chris and he
dressed in women's clothing.
Ah.
So early days of the non-binary.
(17:39):
Mm.
When that word didn't reallyexist and they used to th at
6:00 PM Bear mind you, at 6:00PM Mind you, I will say the
Brits.
These just throw around the Tword.
Ah, interesting.
It was crazy.
I'm not surprised for British.
Crazy.
I'm not surprised.
Brit tv is very crass.
You had like fucking dicksswinging around on that one
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show.
We did do that, but that waslike late night television.
How did the, how did thenon-binary person dress.
Not well.
Well, I won't say very well.
I won't say it was really goodactually.
It was like inspiring for me asa young feminine gay.
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Mm-hmm.
To see these two like jocks makeout, but then also.
Chris who was dressed in like acute like shirt but then a skirt
and then like thigh high bootsand I'd be like, that's really
cunty.
Actually, for the time it wascty, I think back and say like,
oh, the outfit choices weren'tthat great, but it was like the
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early two th mid two thousands.
Mm was the mid two thousands.
Was this, oh my god.
It was the early two thousands.
Crazy.
This is like 2000, this is like2004.
Oh gosh.
That's crazy work.
Wow.
Or five maybe.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then I know this wasn't likea, there wasn't like prominent
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gay characters, but this wasaround the same time I started
watching the OC, because alsonever seen Ryan really did it to
me.
Also, I just learned when he wason the show, he was 25 playing a
16-year-old.
I've never seen the OCI don'tknow who Ryan is, so I have no
opinions.
You're crazy.
You're crazy.
When was Queers, when did theQueers Folk UK edition come out?
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Around that time, I think.
But I never watched it.
You never watched, did you watchthe US version?
Queer.
Oh, queer as Folk.
Yeah, I did.
Queer, yeah, queer.
Queer As Folk.
Oh, I thought you said, Ithought you meant Queer Eye.
No, queer as folk.
Queer as Folk.
Yeah.
I watched the British one firstand then I watched the UK one
that I watched later on in mylife.
In like university?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, I was in, no, actually Iwatched that like towards the
end of high school, college era.
Yeah.
'cause that was ranch.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Ranch.
Ranch.
That was when I discovered like,oh.
I forget what happened, but Iknow there was a lot of sex.
Oh, we're a bit crazy, aren'twe?
There was a lot of drugs and alot of sex.
Yeah.
And a lot of partying.
Um, I don't remember much of thepremise beyond the skinny twink
in the, so there was a guy,there was a guy, there were two
Twinks.
I remember the, the American,American guy's name.
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I don't remember if the, the,the character's names were the
same.
I used to think he was hot.
I think the American one.
Yeah.
Not the British one.
The British one was the BritishMaine.
The British, Maine, the blondeguy.
Is there a blonde twink?
There was a blonde twink andthere's a taller guy with longer
hair.
Holy hell, right?
No, no.
What?
Who were you on about Look outthe picture of him.
No, no, no.
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We don't need to.
We don't need to.
I need to know who he lookslike.
Where is folk?
So the US version had like anactual like long running show.
I think it was like fiveseasons, right?
It was a long time ago, and Ithink it was a spit off.
There was a spinoff on Max.
The lesbians?
No, the lesbians have a spinoff.
I don't know.
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Lesbians should have had aspinoff.
They were great characters.
Why did I, oh, I was searchingthe Glee anniversary earlier.
What?
I came up.
Oh, queer as folk.
Oh, what?
Get on with it.
This one.
This one.
The one with the brown hair?
Yeah, with the kind of nicehair.
His name's Brian.
Brian and then Brian.
This was, was this the Britishone?
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No, he wasn't British.
This is the American version ofthe show.
I'm talking about the Americanversion.
Yeah, yeah, I know.
So there's no British.
Hmm.
Oh, and there's no one Britishin the show.
Is this your, is this yours?
Yes.
Oh, I know.
Ugh.
Yeah.
The main character, like themain older man had like greasy,
greasy, greasy hair.
Greasy hair and, but actuallythe casting of the two younger,
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like the younger boys, they lookreally similar.
Yeah.
That is like just, oh yeah,that's what I was like a
question if that was the sameperson.
No, no, no.
They just like the Britishversion of him, Ranch Central.
But it really taught me, it waslike, this is what you have to
expect in the gay community.
Yeah.
I learned a lot and it'sexactly, yeah, that's what it
is.
And, and then I would say likeall, like what I used to watch
like friends and there was a, agay character, but then he
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turned out not to be gay.
It came out that Phoebe Buffetwas married this whole time to
an ice skater.
And then she was like, oh myGod, yay.
My gay best friend who I'mmarried to.
'cause he wanted a visa.
And then he, they like meet upfor the first time in ages'cause
he's been like ice skating.
And then he's like, I want adivorce because I'm getting
married to a woman.
So he wasn't gay.
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And she was like, but I'mactually in love with you.
And it was really sad for her.
And bisexual people don't exist.
He wasn't gay.
Yeah, I know exactly.
They just like didn't nevermention it again.
They also made them the transpeople on that show.
Oh, I know.
And it was so.
Let was lesbian phobic.
It's just a homophobic, but likethe friends was the The friends.
The friends friends was most,yeah, yeah, yeah.
If you, if you go back in timeand like really, really
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scrutinize it.
Sure.
But yeah, it was ahead of itstime in some ways and it was
funny and I grew up with it, soleave me alone.
The same with Sex in the City.
We're watching Sex with the Citynow.
Oh my God.
That shit, they got some wordscrazy.
They got, they said somesentences, So you've only just
started watching Sex in Citynow.
But my cousin, when she wasliving with us, she bought the
box set.
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Mm.
And then my friend at college,she also had the box set.
Mm.
So I spent like my end of highschool days watching, like I was
like 14, 15 watching Sex of theCity.
That's why I'm the way I'm lost.
So when Sarah Jessica Parkerentered that no.
I never watched Gossip Girl.
Oh my God.
When Eric came, well, when Ericwas outed, what did I watch?
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Oh my God.
When Georgina outed Eric at thedinner table.
Mm.
Gossip girl that I was like,that can't happen to me.
No, you really learned a lotfrom queer media.
Well, I was about to see, Idon't think there was a gay, I
was like, what did I watch as achild?
Yeah.
I'm like, do you have a memory?
I watched Lost and I don't knowif there were any gay people in
there.
Which is the lost opportunity.
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Lost opportunity.
Yeah.
It was the lost, no, that wastoo ahead of its time.
'cause I think that ended onlike 2000 and there were eight
seasons.
Why wasn't there one gaycharacter?
There were way too many seasonsof that.
Were they gay characters?
I don't remember it.
No, them.
I think there was, I mean, I washighly attracted to Sawyer.
Highly.
Oh yeah, highly.
He was so hot.
I don't think he ever spoken anormal voice.
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No.
He was like, yeah.
With his like, oh, so hot.
Who else?
The anti cus was smoking hot.
The brunette.
Kate.
Kate.
Kate, Kate.
Kate.
Oh my God.
Kate.
Kate.
And then when it came out, shewas one who was like the
prisoner.
Uhhuh the prisoner on board.
Oh my God.
She was hot.
Who else was else was hot.
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Honestly, Boone, when Boonedied.
Boone.
Oh, Bo was so hot.
Boone was Boone the Australianone.
Boone played, yeah.
Who was played by Ian?
Summer Holder.
Oh, he was so hot.
Yeah.
Did you ever watch, what's theother show that Ian Summer
Holder and that other guy werein is like Vampirey?
True blood.
Is that the thing?
No, but I know it.
Is it true blood?
Yeah, true.
Yeah.
No, I never watched that shit.
Me neither, but Boone.
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Oh my.
Oh my God.
God.
This entire cast, God, thisentire cast, Sawyer.
Oh, is that what Sawyer lookslike?
Saeed could get it too.
Side.
Could get it.
Side could get it.
Gin.
Could get it.
Gin.
Gin could get, and they were allshirtless all the time.
All the time.
They were all like, just likenaked in the, in the swimming
holes.
Oh my God.
Oh my God.
Who else was hot?
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Yeah.
See?
Gay awakenings.
Gay come from all directions,for sure.
High school musical, if therewere any.
We must talk about it.
Troy's, I completely forgotabout high school musical.
The one, the one scene that wasa constant on my search history,
ew, on Google, was the showerscene when he is singing in the
shower.
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Which sa which movie for one?
When Troy is singing in theshower and he's like basically
naked.
No, that was the first time hewas ever shirtless in high
school musical.
I dunno how old he was.
I dunno how old he was.
'cause now this is kind of,sounds a bit like to say'cause
like I'm No, it was'cause itcame out at the time when you
were young.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
So talking about it then.
Yeah, my inner child isspeaking.
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Okay.
You're correct.
Thank you.
Okay.
I don't think he was singing,but he was like, dad spoke to
him when he was in the showerand he like, yeah.
Yeah.
And it was like, it was like.
Tit up.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I was like, and there was onescene where he was singing in
the shower.
He was in the shower, twoscenes.
And I was like, as a young gaychild.
And then the second movie waswhen he was actually shirtless.
Like in a pool or something?
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Yes.
'cause they were on like, youknow, they were, they were in
Arizona, the vacation home.
Yeah.
Place.
Yeah.
It was that in Arizona?
I think.
So.
Why do you remember the locationof everything?
I just, I have weird memory.
Um, and then who else was hot inthere?
Have you seen what the dad lookslike now?
So he was on, so someone likeposted a video of him in on In
New York?
Yeah, on TikTok like two orthree years ago.
Yeah, he's hot.
Hot.
Yeah, he's hot.
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Could get it.
I'm like, is he gay Media?
Media for me is just the menthat I'm attracted to.
I feel like he's a Republicannow.
Who?
Or maybe he's not.
Corbin.
Ballou.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I don't, I don't keep up withthat Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Who was a friend?
Oh, the guy.
Guy who did the cre brulee.
I thought he was a bit hot.
Huh?
The cre, bru, brulee guy.
Which guy?
The guy, you know, the guy who'slike, say what you want in your
fucking brain.
And he's like, guys, I like tomake creme brulee and do this
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and do that.
Yeah.
And they were like, no, no, no.
Stick to the stuff, you know.
Was he the skater?
No, he was on the basketballteam.
Uh, Zeke.
Okay.
I don't recognize any of thesepeople.
'cause these are the, all thecurrent head shots and they've
not aged well.
Again, all the women lookfantastic, but all the men look
foul.
What other queer media did weconsume?
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I completely forgot about highschool musical, so I feel like
you've got more in your brain.
mean, glee was the big thing forme.
They're not were they're notlike other like Gossip girl
esque shows you watched growingup.
No, I watched Veggie Tails.
Huh?
I'm sorry, what?
Have you ever seen Veggie Tails?
I have no idea.
What're talking.
You don't know what veggie tailsare.
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The tomato in the cucumber, youknow the tomato in the cucumber.
it's a Christian show, but thenwhy would I have watched it?
So I don't know.
You also have like an Islamicversion.
It was like a date.
A date, and a mango set inMecca.
(27:50):
Wait.
No, I thought that was like aTikTok thing.
No, it's a Christian show.
No, like it's a show based onlike Christian teachings, like
teaching you about the bible.
But it's all these fuckingvegetables.
I don't know why they'revegetables.
I don't know why they'reChristian, but they are, and
that's what I watched growingup.
Sometimes you really do need tokeep things to yourself.
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No, it's part of my lore.
Lore.
My lore is deep and profound.
Yeah.
Mentally, mentally ill.
That is crazy.
Um, I wanna skip forward to, um,queer Eye.
Yeah.
I was thinking about Queer Eyetoo, because that feels like a
good, a good, a good one to hitas an important piece of queer
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media, even though I shan't bewatching it now, because I think
it's a little bit cringe at themoment.
I, oh yeah.
There was a new season, wasn'tthere?
Yeah.
I'm just cringed out by itbecause it just doesn't.
I, it's very important.
It's an important show.
It's a very important show.
It's an important show, but Ithink it's important for
straight people.
Totally.
I think it's important for likegay people if they haven't had
like, you know, the exposure.
(28:52):
Mm-hmm.
And I think for me it was a, itwas a good way for me to bridge
the gap between my momunderstanding gay things for the
first time.
So queer, I help my mom.
Mm-hmm.
For me personally as a show towatch, I just like, don't care
that much.
I'm good to go.
I'm gay as fuck.
Yeah.
I don't really need to, I, someof the episodes are like
emotional and like heartwrenching, and I'm like, yeah,
(29:13):
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't need to watch it.
But, and very important, I willsay Tan France still was the
first person.
Yeah.
And when, when did that comeout?
Eight years ago.
Like eight years ago.
27 or eight years ago.
2019.
So first gay.
Brown, Pakistani, British,British, Muslim background.
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What else?
What other trigger words can Iuse?
Platinum hair.
You had platinum hair at thetime.
I did have platinum.
I did not have platinum hair atthe time.
'cause that came out when wewere in Berlin.
Still.
Well you got inspired to haveplatinum hair because of him.
No, I did not.
Uh oh my God.
God.
Uh, anyway, yeah, first personthat looked like me, like truly
like, looked alike me.
Represented me.
Yeah.
In media.
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Very important.
No, the first couple of seasonswere like incredible.
And I remember crying at a lotof them.
'cause I'm like, I come from abackground of these people.
Yeah, yeah.
These people.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well that's both my family andthat's how I was raised.
So it's like, it was very, uh, Iwas very, yeah, I was very, my
emotions were tugged.
My, my heartstrings were, werepulled at.
(30:16):
Yeah, if you will, by this show.
And it was great.
I'm not gonna watch it anymorethough.
Antony's hot.
I'm sorry.
The new interior designer's hot.
Oh yeah, that's true.
I think it's really hot.
Okay, so we're, this is a showwe're just talking about, like
this episode, we're just talkingabout people who think we're
hot.
Isn't that what gay media is?
Oh, I should be gay Awakenings.
Yeah.
Gay media, gay awakenings,awakenings.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We come up with the episode, gayepisodes as we go, awakenings.
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when you were like young, youngthough, how young?
Young, how young?
Because I know you had a certaincrush on a certain, oh, please.
We've already talked about thison the podcast.
Have we?
Yes.
Danny Phantom.
Tony Hawk, not Tony Hawk.
I'm not talking about Tony Hawkagain.
I'm going, I'm going beyondthat.
Well, that was my first, uh,yeah.
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I mean, I don't know.
No.
'cause Tony Hawk might have beenyour first like human being
crush you, freak Danny Phantomis a human being.
Don't talk about him like that.
That is a drawing.
That's a drawing on a piece ofpaper, and he is a hot drawing.
Oh my God.
Imagine fans seeing a piece ofpaper not as a brunette, but
only as a platinum hair.
Imagine.
Was he ever a brunette ghost?
Yes.
When he was a boy or black hair?
He, sorry.
He had black hair.
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Oh, he is two different people.
No, he's the same person, but hebecame a ghost.
What's the show?
Danny Phantom.
He died?
No, no, no.
He just can turn into a ghost.
Oh.
What the fuck is this show?
I don't actually remember thepremise, but I know he was,
what's the name of the show?
Danny Phantom.
Oh, that's the name of the show.
What?
I don't know why I thought thatwas, he was a character from
like F odd parents.
'cause animation was similar?
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No, he has no, he has a wholeshow.
Yeah, I did watch very loudparents as well, and sometimes I
forget, like I'm like, not evensignificantly, I'm older than
you, but like, not even just byage, but by like social, social
state.
What are you gonna say now?
What the fuck social state is instreet?
Blah, blah.
Oh my God.
Shut up.
I am older than you in StreetSmart.
I, yeah, Danny Pham was a crushfor sure.
(32:04):
Okay.
Cartoons.
Cartoons.
I had a crush on Danny Phantom.
I had a crush on.
Oh my god.
That big, massive guy fromfairly odd parents.
The big guy with like the, themilitary guy.
I didn't with the big arms.
I didn't hear you talking about,um, who else?
Scar from the Lion King, um, guyis crazy.
That is mentally ill.
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No, it's true.
He could get it.
Look at him.
That's a lion.
Look at him.
That is a lion.
But look at him.
Oh my God.
No, you're trying, but you'rejustifying bestiality.
It's the obvious next step.
Oh my God.
Get out.
This is this, this group, we'reteeing on the edge here.
You'll see that on Fox News.
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Did you not have any cartooncrushes?
Not really.
That's weird.
Ooh, wait, not like crushes.
Mm.
Anybody that you were like, Ooh,if he was real, he could get it.
Do you have watch Digi?
Yeah, for sure.
There was like an angel Digi mancalled like Anon, I think his
name was.
So you made fun of me of aliking a lion, but was fucking
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You were like a digon.
He was hot.
You thought a digon was hot.
What?
Wait till you see him.
Wait till you see him.
Angel Digon.
Anon.
Anon.
Is it called anon?
Yeah.
His, it is like his finalevolution or something.
Oh, wasn't he hot?
Was he hot?
Yeah.
Look, Oh yeah.
'cause I wanted to be her thatcountry one.
Oh, and then I fancied that one,that other country one.
(33:30):
Did he ever helmet on the wholetime?
Oh, I was obsessed with Digmanand then this one, of course,
his name is Angie Man, and thewoman was called Angie Woman.
Angie Woman.
But they weren't, it wasn't, itwasn't woman.
It was, whoa.
So it's Angie Woman and thenthey pronounced it Angie Wo
Woman, and it was Angie, man.
Cool.
(33:50):
So were they technically,because it's Digi man and
everything was, did all the Digiman end with man?
They did, didn't they?
Probably.
But were they like monsters orthey, was that a, I don't, was
that a person?
Don't remember.
Or was a monster?
This was like, I was like fullylike six years old, so I don't
remember.
Mm.
Yeah, I don't remember thepremise of it really.
There was another show I used tolove.
(34:10):
What?
did you ever watch a show calledCard Captors?
No.
It was like a manga, but it waslike, I think it was like set,
it's like a, it was like dubbed,My gay awakening was wanting to
be Kora from card captures.
Mm, I don't, is that her?
I don't know who that is becausewait card capture, Kora a magic
girl, manga and anime seriesabout Kora.
(34:32):
Keno Keno Moto, a fourth graderwho accidentally releases magic
cards from a book in her fa inher father's study.
Crazy.
She opens up a book.
Listen, this is when I knew Iwas gay.
I think I was six and Idiscovered this Cty little show.
She opens a book.
And all these fucking magiccards fly out and scatter around
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the town, around the city.
And she's like, oh my God, whatdid I just do?
And it's her quest to find allthe cards because the cards
animate into real characters andlike one is like shadow and it
like comes into the, comes intothe night and like fucks you up.
One is like the wind and shecaptures them and then kinda
obtain their abilities.
And then she gets the cards andshe has like a little wand and I
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was like, this is the.
ConEst show ever.
I'm homosexual now.
That's how that works.
That and Sailor Moon, I hadSailor Moon card captors and
then Digi Man, I feel like DigiMan.
Wasn't that Cty actually, I justshowed you what Angie Man and
Angie Wman looked like.
So yeah, it was pretty cty.
You know?
What else was Cty Yugi?
That was pretty cty.
I know he was kind of hot.
The big, the other guy, not the,not the one with the spiky hair,
(35:37):
but the one with the brown hair.
Kinda like Professor X lookingass guy.
Uhhuh his main, his mainvillain.
The main villain against Yugi.
He was the one with the, um,dark magician.
I completely missed an entireplot point.
He was the dark magician washot.
Yeah, the dark magician was hot.
Wait, this guy?
Yeah.
Yeah.
He could get it.
But that's the blue.
(35:57):
That's not the dark magician.
That's the blue-eyed white.
Oh, you, you had the darkmagician.
That's'cause that's the blueeyed white dragon.
He had the blue eyes whitedragon.
we missed a complete plot pointwhere my, my big, the beginning
saga of my, like anime esque,uh, world of television started.
And I think I do have my firstever, ever, ever.
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Anime crush.
And that was Goku from DragonBallsy.
Oh my God.
Yes.
Or Trunks.
But when he came back from thefuture, when he's like older, I
don't remember who Trunks was.
Purple hair.
He's, um, Ji's son, but he likecomes back from the future.
You're saying So many words.
(36:41):
I have not looked at.
Come on.
I have not looked at Dragon.
Everything that show waseverything to me.
I know they had a lot of abs.
All of them had abs.
if you ever like look up like, Idon't know, like workouts on on
TikTok or something, you'll comeby like one random Jim bro.
He'll be like, here's how to getsuper sane pecs.
What?
'cause they're super sains.
Like, here's how to get my SuperSan Pec workout.
(37:03):
Oh.
And I'm like, yeah, I kind ofwant Super San Pecs.
Wait, this little, this littleguy, the older version.
Oh, that's a child.
When he came back from thefuture, I was like, that's a
child.
Yeah, not the child.
You freak.
That's a child.
Older.
He was.
He's right there.
This one?
Yes.
He was older.
He was when he Some fuckingmegamind.
(37:24):
Yeah, when he shirtless.
Should I type shirtless trunks?
Dragon balls.
Shirtless Dragon balls.
Google.
Show me this guy's dragon balls.
I told you my inner child isdoing this podcast right now.
Also, wait a minute, wait aminute.
And I just thought of anotherone.
Oh wow.
yeah, yeah.
I told you for sure thoseboulder shoulders.
(37:46):
Bold.
That is so many abdominals.
Yes.
No, that is crazy.
This gave me unreal.
This is where my unreal,realistic body expectations came
from.
Yeah.
These like alien characters.
Yeah.
I was like, I can look like thateasily.
Yeah.
Easily.
Should I talk like shirtless,shirtless?
Dragon ball.
We we're getting too far intothe characters.
(38:08):
Sure.
That's, I just wanna see if Ican find the craziest one.
It's again, it's just drawings.
Yeah.
I mean, Goku was like the one,right, and he was so nice too.
Like Yeah, he's the one Goku, healways had like, although did
like, I did like the G'cause hewas a bit of a batty.
Mm.
Like why?
Did our parents not understandthat we were gay?
I don't know.
Well, my brother used to watchit and my cousins all watched it
(38:30):
and we all watched it togetherand, and no one turned gay.
Obsessed with the dragon,ballsy.
'cause it was, the storyline wasfantastic for sure.
Like you are six years old andyou're watching this show and
it's like, this is.
Insane.
Yeah, no, it's a and go crazyshot, like dies right at the
beginning and you're like, oh,okay, well fuck.
And they have to collect all thedragon balls to like go and get
him.
I don't remember much about it.
(38:51):
I'm not gonna lie.
Right at the beginning, he likefights freezer dies, trying to
kill him and kills him, dies.
But then they have, then theyhave to, that's when they go on
the quest to look for all thedragon balls to bring him back.
Another one came to my mind.
Oh my God.
How many do you have now?
No, but this isn't animated.
It's crazy.
I'm not.
You've opened up a, a wormhole.
Oh.
Finally, we're 47 minutes in.
Yeah.
You've opened up a can of worms.
(39:12):
A wormhole.
Wormhole.
Do we know how to speak English?
No.
Fuck no.
No, no, no, no.
Anyway.
Power ranges.
Oh, that that is animate.
Isn't that I animated?
No Girl was that, was therereally?
Do you know?
I recently just learned though.
What?
So the show Power Ranges.
This is gonna be news to youguys.
Friends of mine at the table.
(39:36):
So Power Rangers, which again, Iused to fucking love.
Yes.
The Mighty Morphing PowerRangers.
The government name.
Yeah, they, it was, it's a showin Japan.
Sure.
That they took the footage from.
When they're in their costumes.
Sure.
And the robots in the fuckingmoon, the moon scenes of Rita.
(39:57):
Fucking Skeeter.
R Rita, not Rita Ski.
Rita Skeeter.
That's from Harry Potter.
Wait, Rita Raps.
Rapunzel.
I just measure Rita Skeeter'sface on a moon.
Kind of the same.
Yeah.
So no, the, the, the, thevillains had a base on the moon.
I know all about it.
Yeah.
all of that, it's all dubbed inEnglish and like they have the
English like dubbing over the.
(40:18):
When they're in their costumes.
Yeah.
Because they only film all thehigh school scenes when they're
like in school in America withthe American cast.
Ah, crazy.
I thought it was all original.
Jason, oh my God.
At the time were they, were theyever shirtless, Tommy?
Were they ever shirtless?
No, I don't think they werebecause it was like, that sucks.
It was missed opportunity.
Wait, were they Tommy from, um,power Rangers?
(40:41):
I'm pretty sure he diedrecently.
One of them died This is Jason.
I fancy Jason.
A hundred percent.
It was the nineties.
Yeah, a hundred percent.
It was the nineties.
Okay.
Yeah, hot.
Hot.
For sure.
For sure, for sure.
Sure.
This is Tommy.
Oh, you used to fancy fuckingTommy Tom, who?
Tony Hawk.
Tony Hawk.
I did.
And I stand by that decision.
There were more characters.
Oh, he did die in 2022.
(41:04):
Rip.
No, that's so sad.
I think that shows why we'regay.
I think that is, I think thatshows, listen, we're
homosexuals.
'cause we saw shirtless men ontelevision.
Isn't that fucking George?
We could go one further and say,oh my God, You could say that I
was in the underwear section.
For sure at the Tesco extra forsure.
That is the reason.
And then we saw, well, did I?
(41:25):
No, it wasn't.
It was Debenhams.
I was in the under underwearsection in Deb Des, what the
fuck?
Denims.
What the fuck?
I think they went outta businessrecently.
Denims, daba, nims denims.
Let's go to denims guys.
Sorry.
Fruit tails or what?
Whatever the fuck you were justtalking about.
What?
Your veggie tails.
Your veggie mite tails.
(41:46):
Your tails of veggie mite likeveggie mite tails, dick.
Okay.
Suck a Vegemite dick.
You freak.
I'm talking about a departmentstore in the UK called
Debenhams, spelled Deb n Hams.
Okay.
Where I saw my first underwearmodel.
Underwear, my first, I saw myfirst underwear.
(42:08):
First garment of underwear.
Okay, so leave me alone.
that was intricate.
It was intricate thank you somuch for listening to this
episode of Let's Dig In.
If you enjoyed what you heard,please give us a five star
review on Apple Podcasts orwherever you listen to your
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And if you didn't enjoy what youheard, then why don't you go
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shut the fuck up.
Don't say anything.
If you give us anything lessthan a five star.
I hate you.
I really don't.
Thank you so much for listeningto this ramble.
That was so fun.
Um, next week's gonna be aspecial birthday episode for me.
Oh, okay.
No, delete that Maybe it willbe.
Maybe it's just gonna be you.
I just won't be here.
Oh, that'd be fun, wouldn't it?
Just you looking at a camera foran hour ranting.
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That's the best birthday presentI can give you.
That is the best birthdaypresent I could give to myself.
Well, just like an hour for youto not shut up.
See you then.
Bye bye.
Welcome back to another episodeof Let's Dig In.
We Are Your Hosts.
Matt, why are we, why are wesinging?
Why are we, why is this as smr?
That's as smr.
No, it's not a SMR.
This is an as smr.
Hey guys, we're having a shitday.
No, you have to now have to hearabout it.
Tell everyone what happened.
No, you have to hear about it.
Tell everyone what happens.
What happened yesterday?
'cause I, I was having a shitday yesterday too.
You've been having a shit acouple of days about why it's
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Gemini season.
I should be thriving.
No, but I think it's like a,it's like the pre Gemini season
where it's like you're purgingaway all the things that no
longer serve you and that beingannoyance and annoying people,
you are one of them.
You had your credit card stolen.
I had my credit cards.
You guys, I had my credit cardstolen.
someone went into my locker atthe gym and then opened my
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fucking bag and took my walletout of the bag and then because
what kind of bag do we bring tothe gym, you guys?
I don't have a, a good gym bagand so I've been using my.
My lame croissant.
Your lame croissant bag you putin the locker room in the gym.
That can easily be stolen and socan easily look at you.
No.
No.
What they say?
No, they see this little gay boywalking into the locker room
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with a lame cross.
Boy.
Little, little.
You're welcome.
I called you little, little.
Yeah.
I called you skinny.
You're welcome.
Little gay boy.
Where is, where's the lie?
It's like, it's like kind ofbulbous in like the right
places, but also who you Yeah.
Bulbus.
Oh, you're talking about yourlame croissant bag.
Don't bring that to the gym.
Yeah, I know that's dumb.
I know you are a walking target.
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I know.
But the thing is, they didn'ttake my lame croissant bag.
They didn't take my cardholderand they didn't take my car
keys.
They took out two credit cards,but left two other cards so
random and then I didn't noticeit until I got home.
I was like, oh, why is my, my,my wallet is like out.
On my jacket.
And that's weird'cause it musthave just fallen outta my bag,
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whatever.
Didn't think about it until Igot home and then I got a
notification.
You guys listen, I got anotification from Capital One
and it was like you have afraudulent transaction from OB
plumbing, plum plumbing.
For how much plumbing?
For how much money?
Who's spending$2,000 on plumb?
Bing.
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Someone had a bad poo.
Someone had a bad shit.
Oh my god.
Maybe it was you.
God, it literally was not me.
Did you steal your own creditcards?
No, no, no.
Literally it was me to deal withyour poo this morning.
But like, and then that, thattransaction, and I had, I saw it
come through and I was like, ohmy God, that's not me.
And then I look, looked allaround the house with the credit
card in case I like put itsomewhere else.
Couldn't find it.
Freaked out, realized I wentinto my other fucking app to see
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if that credit card had, it hadbeen used as well for the same
thing.
Crazy.
Why two of the same transactionsto apply the exact same money.
Hmm.
And they're both pending, so Idon't think they went through
either.
Mm.
But I was on the phone to thebanks for ages anyway.
That's me complaining for asecond and it just like, set me
off.
The adrenaline was high.
Nothing like that has everhappened to me before.
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Really?
I never had like, my wallet orlike, or like, ID, I've never
had, you never had yourapproximate charges.
Never, you never had someonejust like go willy-nilly on your
card?
Nope.
That's crazy for you.
No.
'cause I keep my possessionsapart from my randomly always
lose my summer Friday's lipbutter balm.
Wow, that's, that's priceless.
I thought that's expensive.
No, it's expensive.
I know.
The Summer Friday's lip butterbalm in shade brown sugar, which
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is very rare to come by thesedays at Sephora.
Here's the motto of the story.
Don't leave your lame croissantbug in your locker.
What an idiot.
What an idiot.
I'm gonna go and yell at the,the gym tomorrow.
I've got, I finished my solidcore class and I, I opened my
phone and it was just text fromyou being like, Matt, my, my,
and I dunno what to do and I'mhaving, I could to hear you
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hyperventilating through.
That was not the tone I use.
I could hear you hyper.
Oh my God.
You're like, I don't know whatdo do.
And I was like, okay.
I dunno what to do.
You texted me like 20 minutesago.
It was during glass.
I never, I was doing my never.
I had my hyper extensions.
Okay.
Okay.
Good for you.
Whatever.
You're fine.
Now also, you can't see this onthe podcast, but I just wanna
talk about it'cause I'm justlike, I just wanna talk about
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it.
Um, we changed seats again, I'mjust like unhappy with the, the
arrangement we have in thishouse.
So please note the originaltime, the last week you changed
to the couch and it was youridea, and now you've decided to
change again, back to our oldsetup, but with different
chairs.
And aren't you so comfy?
Like, isn't this cute?
I was comfy every single othertime.
No, I don't like the couch.
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I was comfy all the time, so no,I don't like the couch anymore.
Change my mind.
My season is the worst.
I changed my mind.
I changed my mind.
I changed my mind.
When is it over?
When is it over?
I changed my mind like athousand times a day, and so I
changed my mind again and leaveme alone.
And that you guys is yourintroduction.
Welcome to the table.
Well, there's not a tableanymore.
Shut up.
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No one, no one needs to know wedon't have a table anymore.
So like what is the concept?
You're, we're digging in.
It's dinner.
Can we have a coffee table?
That's better.
I.
Come on, let, what's thisfucking episode about?
Okay, so this episode is aboutgay media, queer media.
What the fuck is it?
Yes, we discussed thatyesterday.
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No, I know.
We did discuss that yesterday.
Okay.
By the way, also, you guys, I'mlike talking at you a lot also.
That's what a podcast is.
Yeah, I know.
No, but I'm like, I'm talking tothem as if they're here.
we like really come up with likeideas like on the spot or like
the day before and like this issomething we're gonna do.
And then only rarely, like whenwe really do need to plan or
like have like succinct talkingpoints.
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For example, when we talkedabout like the Grammys or like
when we need to talk about, talkabout things in chronological
order.
Not that I ever do that.
Oh my God, I'm on a roll all ofa sudden.
Then apart from those times, wenever plan anything and we just
like think of a random topic andwe just finished watching
Overcompensating by BenitaSkinner on Amazon Prime.
(05:42):
On Amazon Prime, not sponsored.
If you wanna, let's pretend, butif you want to give the, gimme
the Bezos money, I don't give ashit.
I would, I would, I would relishin it.
I would relish in.
Oh, I don't know.
Funny joke.
I don't, I was trying to call ita funny joke.
It was really funny joke.
Oh, I didn't know.
I don't know.
Okay.
We just finished watchingOvercompensating by Benito.
What's his actual name?
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Benito Skinner.
Benito Skinner?
Yeah.
Skinner Skinner.
Benito Skinner.
Benny drama, Benny Drama, Mr.
Drama Daddy drama, if you will.
Oh my God.
At this point.
So hot.
I was, my learns were what?
Learns.
My loins were burning yours.
Were going, that's what you justsay.
My learns were going.
That's what you were gonna say.
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Wait, that's what you were gonnasay.
My learns were going, my learnswere going.
My learns were going.
No, my gits were Lloyd.
What my.
Loins were G What are you even Igirded my loins.
My loins were girded.
Yes.
Gird.
Your loins.
Everyone.
Oh, because Bonita.
Skinner is hot.
Now it, it might have been hotbefore, but I didn't really like
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him.
I didn't think he was funnybefore.
Sorry.
Benny drama, but now I thinkyou're hilarious and you're hot.
I think that entire show wasfantastic.
It's was so great.
And that us talking and that gotus talking and thinking about
like queer media and like wherewere we in the world when we
first, when episode one, episodeone, season one of Glee
premiered.
This is not an episode aboutGlee.
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Oh.
It is like we could really, wecould really recount the amount
of times on this show alone.
You have just talked at nonstop.
Yes.
Okay.
We're talking about gay mediaramp and rage about glee.
Glee is an important point inqueer media.
Let me just pause for a second.
I really am happy with this.
Oh my God.
Thank God you're happy.
Enjoy.
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I enjoy the setup alwayscreated.
We spent an hour before thisepisode yelling at each other on
the couch because nothing wasgoing right.
And now everything's goingswimmingly.
So we're gonna dig into gaymedia and I'm going to dig into
Glee.
First.
We are gay media, so I'm talkingabout myself as well.
I'm gonna talk about Glee firstbecause Glee is an important
point of gay media.
Sorry.
(07:47):
Sorry.
We can go, no, we're sorry.
We talk about that we do this inevery single episode where you,
like, we have a topic and we'relike, what?
How old were you when you firstexperienced this one random
thing in life?
Glee was my first gay show thatI saw.
Yeah, I know.
That's why, and it's the 16thanniversary of the first
episode, so.
Lame.
No important.
Don't stop believing a Gleeoriginal, original song written
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by G.
Does everyone know?
Does everyone know?
I don't know if we've discussedthis on the podcast.
Do you know?
Okay.
Side note that Matt first saw.
This is not a side note.
This is an important point in mylore.
Oh yeah, it is really important.
Lore actually key.
If you wanna understand me, youneed to understand this point.
It also really expensive.
You don't know much about Matt.
At this point, this is really,really important piece of
information to get to understandhim a little bit better because
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he thought that Don't StopBelieving was ugly, original.
He also thought most of themusic on Glee were Glee
original.
Not, not most.
Only the ones that were made pre2000.
Fucking crazy.
So crazy, crazy.
Listen, pre 2000, listen.
No.
Listen, was that when you firststarted listening to music,
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music, music?
That I was six years old?
No, I started listening tomusic.
Music in like a freshman year ofhigh school.
Hello?
Hello?
Hello?
Maybe middle school.
Hello?
Hello.
I was religiously mentally ill.
That is crazy.
I was a sheltered child.
As we have discussed on thispodcast, I was raised in a
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religious family that onlybelieved in the listening to
Christian pop and rock on theradio.
But do you think, oh, our God isan awesome God?
He reigns from heaven above withwisdom, power, and love.
Our God is an awesome God.
Oh, period.
My God.
Oh my God.
That is, that's triggering for alot of people who listen to this
podcast.
My I such water.
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Oh, my, my eyes are watering.
I'm crying.
'cause I'm so upset the aboutthe fact I had to marry you, so,
oh my God.
I'm so upset.
I'm so upset for myself.
Oh my God.
Maybe this Gemini season willfall for divorce.
That is crazy.
When I first started listeningto Glee, that was my first time
listening to like listening.
Oh, because you know you had allthe albums.
I actually didn't.
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No.
Yeah, you did.
I put, I mean, on my iTunes.
On my iPod.
Yeah.
Oh my God.
For sure.
Don't Stop Believing was on myiPod.
You're a lime wire for sure.
When does the first episode ofGlee come out?
Oh, 19 years ago.
16 years ago.
16 years ago was 16.
Fuck.
2009.
Hmm.
Maybe I didn't start listeningto music before then.
I listened to like, I don'tknow, I didn't listen to old
music.
(10:15):
So this is the thing I onlylistened to, like in my middle
school, I was into like AVRLevine and like, yeah, that's
normal.
And like, you know, those punkpop rock bands, whatever they
called.
But I didn't listen to likeJourney.
Or The Beatles, or, no, nobodylistened to The Journey or The
Beatles.
That was age, but I didn't knowthose existed either.
But I didn't know those existed,so that's why I thought, don't
stop believing when it firstcame on.
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I believe it was ugly, original.
Move on, move on, move on, moveon, move on.
Oh my fuck.
Duh, duh.
Move on.
I'm gonna fucking kill myself.
Move on.
Glee was a very important thing.
It was the first time I saw aboy kids.
Let's talk about the gay things.
Yeah.
The, the point of this episode,believe we're talking about gay,
don't Stop Gay Media.
You guys we're talking about gaymedia.
Everything about, about Glee isgay.
We're talking about gay media,we're talking about gay shit.
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We're talking about shows thatare gay shows that helped us
come out as gay.
Okay.
Shows that helped us realize,wow.
Oh my God.
Maybe I'm like that because.
You need to see yourselfrepresented in media and the
queer media.
And the first time I did thatwas on Glee on whatever season
it was, um, Kurt and Blaine,where Kurt and Blaine had the Yo
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p.
I, that was my first time seeinggay people ki Oh, I need talk on
TVs, don't I?
Oh my God.
Oh, oh my God.
Oh my God.
What?
Do you know?
What do you know?
What, do you know what, what?
I'd rather take you being a,whatever the fuck you are,
gleek.
A gleek.
Oh, say it with Lord.
Say it with pride.
A gleek.
Your husband is a gleek.
And would you look at that?
I could put a drink on my, on myarmchair.
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Would you look at that?
I could put a drink on my armchair.
You're just trying to distractfrom the fact that your
husband's a gleek.
I'm trying to distract from thefact that I married a gleek.
I was thinking about thisearlier.
Don't, so you know, the episode,don't, don't make, don't, don't,
don't make, see.
Do you know that me actuallythrow myself out the window?
What are you gonna say?
See, did you know the episode?
What was that sound you justmade?
Do you know the episode where?
(12:02):
Uh, Rachel and Kurt have justlike moved into their New York
apartment and, um, unfortunatelyyes, and I don't know, was it
Thanksgiving or it was liketheir first party or something.
Turkey Luki time.
Turkey Lurky time.
So then they had like SarahJessica Parker come in for let's
have a Kiki.
And you know, sh was in that.
Yes.
So my point was.
That.
I don't think at that point intime I had seen sex in the city,
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so I did not know who this ladywas.
Who came?
You were lying.
Who came, walked click clackingin her heels up to you're
fucking lying.
This loft department.
You're fucking lying of Kurt andRachel.
You're fucking lying.
I don't think I knew who SarahJessica Parker was.
Said this point, you are fuckinglying.
No.
So I don't know if I understoodthe gravity of the situation
when that episode aired.
(12:45):
And let's have a Kiki and TurkeyLuki time were mashed together
and the universe was changedforever.
Oh my God.
And Shang got her start.
Oh, stop.
Oh wow.
Okay.
It gave me unrealisticexpectations of what, um, a
future apartment of mine mightlook like.
You never watched friends.
No, I didn't see friends.
Can you see Monica's fuckinggiant apartment?
You know, I've never seenfriends.
Yeah, I know.
(13:05):
That's crazy.
You know that fact.
But Rachel and Kurt Hummel.
Yeah.
From Indiana coming to New York.
Is that where it was set?
Was that set in Indiana?
Yeah, it was in Indiana.
Shut up.
I didn't know that.
I didn't even know that.
You don't even know whereIndiana is.
That's crazy.
It is in the Midwest.
Yeah, correct.
It is.
So if you have Ohio here.
So you have Ohio here, then youhave the things above it.
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It's like there, because I havea friend from Indiana.
I don't know where Indiana is.
I I know where it's there.
I'm fucked with you.
I know it's, it goes there.
Yeah.
I don't know where it's, it'sabove Ohio, but like to the
left.
Who cares about that?
Up and above?
Who cares about Indiana?
Anyways, Kurt Humel.
This is also the second timewe've mentioned Ohio.
Kurt homeowner, Rachel Berrygoing into New York and living
in this beautiful loft apartmentwith Sarah Jessica Parker coming
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through unrealisticexpectations.
Well that was the first timeyou've even lied to.
That's crazy.
Where is Indiana?
Oh, it's exactly to the left ofof Ohio.
It's exactly to the left.
Have a huge border.
Well, yeah, that was my firsttime seeing boys kiss and that
was very important for me.
I remember watching it with myfriends in high school.
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I was like, Aw, I have to tellyou something.
What?
I dunno if you know this, butfirst time I saw boys Kiss.
I think I was I'm gonna say 12.
Oh, I'm gonna throw it out thereand say 12.
Okay.
Okay.
I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say itwas 12.
Mm-hmm.
This is gonna be very niche andonly my British baddies will
understand.
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I was watching Holyokes.
Holly Oaks Holyokes.
Never heard of it.
Never heard of it.
It's come at like 6:00 PM onlike channel four.
Soap opera.
Soap opera.
Sounds like it.
Yeah.
A show at 6:00 PM on channelfour.
Sat in, uh, the fictional townof Holyokes in Chester.
Dunno where any of those thingsare.
Or like close to Ches.
Chester.
Where's Chester?
(14:49):
Cheshire.
Cheshire, yeah.
Cheshire.
Cheshire.
Yeah.
Cheshire.
Cheshire.
Where is it?
It's like south of Manchester.
Okay.
Local.
Kind of, yeah.
Okay.
What was it about?
So it kinda like, you've gotLiverpool, you've got
Manchester, you've got ChesterChes.
Right?
Like right there.
Okay.
What was this famous show aboutHolyokes at the cutting edge of
(15:09):
queer drama was gay.
There was a, no it was not gay,but there was gay, there was gay
story lines.
Hmm.
Um, if I remember correctly, thetwo characters, they were best
friends in high school and theyhad like a kiss and my mom
walked in and she thought I waswatching.
Bored.
Mm.
She thought I was watchingBored.
That'll do it.
(15:29):
Because these two boys weremaking out on the tv.
So were they making out or justlike pecking?
They were, they were making out.
Oh, okay.
6:00 PM daytime television.
Well, it's kinda your fault.
I didn't know what was gonnahappen.
Oh, oh yeah.
But I knew they were gonna begay.
I knew they were like gay.
There was lead up to it.
That's when I started watchingit.
'cause I heard from thegrapevine, oh my God, you have
to watch Charlies'cause gay.
So you decided to put that on.
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So I'm 12 at 6:00 PM With yourmom in the house.
Yeah, my mistake.
A little bit of, yeah.
And then when, well, and then Icame out like two years later.
She was like, huh.
Didn't see that one comment.
It's crazy.
Anyway, uh, Craig and Craig, hisname is Craig.
I hate how you say Craig.
How you say?
Craig?
Craig.
Craig.
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Craig.
Craig.
It's Craig.
There's like 10 syllables inthere.
Yeah.
C-R-A-I-E-G.
That's two.
That's five letters.
Why are you saying 10 syllables?
Craig Eye after a equals a likeCraig.
Craig.
Craig.
What was the other guy's name?
Craig.
And who?
Hey.
How do you think Graham as well.
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Graham.
And also, it's so annoying.
Why do you make Make things likea gray?
Because it's gray ham.
It's so long.
It's Graham.
It's so long.
It's Graham and Craig.
Hey you guys this, these are myfriends.
Graham and Craig.
That's so hard to say.
No, Graham and Craig.
That's crazy.
Do you not see how much yourmouth, Graham and Craig?
It's Grey, ham and pre I'm, I'mthe letters in the words.
The syllables of the word mustbe pronounced.
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Listen.
Listen how easy it is.
Oh my God.
Graham and Craig.
Graham and Craig.
Graham and Craig.
It's just Graham and Craig.
There's three syllables.
Graham and Craig.
Grham.
And Craig was the other guy'sname Graham?
No.
Oh, it was, could you imagine?
His name was John Paul and hehad like seven sisters.
(17:16):
Okay.
Um, they made out his bestfriend and his, and his best
friend was Craig.
And then they made out afterschool one day.
I can't remember the details.
Okay.
But I was like, I have to watchthis show now.
And there was another characterin it called Chris and he
dressed in women's clothing.
Ah.
So early days of the non-binary.
(17:39):
Mm.
When that word didn't reallyexist and they used to th at
6:00 PM Bear mind you, at 6:00PM Mind you, I will say the
Brits.
These just throw around the Tword.
Ah, interesting.
It was crazy.
I'm not surprised for British.
Crazy.
I'm not surprised.
Brit tv is very crass.
You had like fucking dicksswinging around on that one
(18:01):
show.
We did do that, but that waslike late night television.
How did the, how did thenon-binary person dress.
Not well.
Well, I won't say very well.
I won't say it was really goodactually.
It was like inspiring for me asa young feminine gay.
(18:22):
Mm-hmm.
To see these two like jocks makeout, but then also.
Chris who was dressed in like acute like shirt but then a skirt
and then like thigh high bootsand I'd be like, that's really
cunty.
Actually, for the time it wascty, I think back and say like,
oh, the outfit choices weren'tthat great, but it was like the
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early two th mid two thousands.
Mm was the mid two thousands.
Was this, oh my god.
It was the early two thousands.
Crazy.
This is like 2000, this is like2004.
Oh gosh.
That's crazy work.
Wow.
Or five maybe.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then I know this wasn't likea, there wasn't like prominent
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gay characters, but this wasaround the same time I started
watching the OC, because alsonever seen Ryan really did it to
me.
Also, I just learned when he wason the show, he was 25 playing a
16-year-old.
I've never seen the OCI don'tknow who Ryan is, so I have no
opinions.
You're crazy.
You're crazy.
When was Queers, when did theQueers Folk UK edition come out?
(19:22):
Around that time, I think.
But I never watched it.
You never watched, did you watchthe US version?
Queer.
Oh, queer as Folk.
Yeah, I did.
Queer, yeah, queer.
Queer As Folk.
Oh, I thought you said, Ithought you meant Queer Eye.
No, queer as folk.
Queer as Folk.
Yeah.
I watched the British one firstand then I watched the UK one
that I watched later on in mylife.
In like university?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, I was in, no, actually Iwatched that like towards the
end of high school, college era.
Yeah.
'cause that was ranch.
(19:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Ranch.
Ranch.
That was when I discovered like,oh.
I forget what happened, but Iknow there was a lot of sex.
Oh, we're a bit crazy, aren'twe?
There was a lot of drugs and alot of sex.
Yeah.
And a lot of partying.
Um, I don't remember much of thepremise beyond the skinny twink
in the, so there was a guy,there was a guy, there were two
Twinks.
I remember the, the American,American guy's name.
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I don't remember if the, the,the character's names were the
same.
I used to think he was hot.
I think the American one.
Yeah.
Not the British one.
The British one was the BritishMaine.
The British, Maine, the blondeguy.
Is there a blonde twink?
There was a blonde twink andthere's a taller guy with longer
hair.
Holy hell, right?
No, no.
What?
Who were you on about Look outthe picture of him.
No, no, no.
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We don't need to.
We don't need to.
I need to know who he lookslike.
Where is folk?
So the US version had like anactual like long running show.
I think it was like fiveseasons, right?
It was a long time ago, and Ithink it was a spit off.
There was a spinoff on Max.
The lesbians?
No, the lesbians have a spinoff.
I don't know.
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Lesbians should have had aspinoff.
They were great characters.
Why did I, oh, I was searchingthe Glee anniversary earlier.
What?
I came up.
Oh, queer as folk.
Oh, what?
Get on with it.
This one.
This one.
The one with the brown hair?
Yeah, with the kind of nicehair.
His name's Brian.
Brian and then Brian.
This was, was this the Britishone?
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No, he wasn't British.
This is the American version ofthe show.
I'm talking about the Americanversion.
Yeah, yeah, I know.
So there's no British.
Hmm.
Oh, and there's no one Britishin the show.
Is this your, is this yours?
Yes.
Oh, I know.
Ugh.
Yeah.
The main character, like themain older man had like greasy,
greasy, greasy hair.
Greasy hair and, but actuallythe casting of the two younger,
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like the younger boys, they lookreally similar.
Yeah.
That is like just, oh yeah,that's what I was like a
question if that was the sameperson.
No, no, no.
They just like the Britishversion of him, Ranch Central.
But it really taught me, it waslike, this is what you have to
expect in the gay community.
Yeah.
I learned a lot and it'sexactly, yeah, that's what it
is.
And, and then I would say likeall, like what I used to watch
like friends and there was a, agay character, but then he
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turned out not to be gay.
It came out that Phoebe Buffetwas married this whole time to
an ice skater.
And then she was like, oh myGod, yay.
My gay best friend who I'mmarried to.
'cause he wanted a visa.
And then he, they like meet upfor the first time in ages'cause
he's been like ice skating.
And then he's like, I want adivorce because I'm getting
married to a woman.
So he wasn't gay.
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And she was like, but I'mactually in love with you.
And it was really sad for her.
And bisexual people don't exist.
He wasn't gay.
Yeah, I know exactly.
They just like didn't nevermention it again.
They also made them the transpeople on that show.
Oh, I know.
And it was so.
Let was lesbian phobic.
It's just a homophobic, but likethe friends was the The friends.
The friends friends was most,yeah, yeah, yeah.
If you, if you go back in timeand like really, really
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scrutinize it.
Sure.
But yeah, it was ahead of itstime in some ways and it was
funny and I grew up with it, soleave me alone.
The same with Sex in the City.
We're watching Sex with the Citynow.
Oh my God.
That shit, they got some wordscrazy.
They got, they said somesentences, So you've only just
started watching Sex in Citynow.
But my cousin, when she wasliving with us, she bought the
box set.
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Mm.
And then my friend at college,she also had the box set.
Mm.
So I spent like my end of highschool days watching, like I was
like 14, 15 watching Sex of theCity.
That's why I'm the way I'm lost.
So when Sarah Jessica Parkerentered that no.
I never watched Gossip Girl.
Oh my God.
When Eric came, well, when Ericwas outed, what did I watch?
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Oh my God.
When Georgina outed Eric at thedinner table.
Mm.
Gossip girl that I was like,that can't happen to me.
No, you really learned a lotfrom queer media.
Well, I was about to see, Idon't think there was a gay, I
was like, what did I watch as achild?
Yeah.
I'm like, do you have a memory?
I watched Lost and I don't knowif there were any gay people in
there.
Which is the lost opportunity.
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Lost opportunity.
Yeah.
It was the lost, no, that wastoo ahead of its time.
'cause I think that ended onlike 2000 and there were eight
seasons.
Why wasn't there one gaycharacter?
There were way too many seasonsof that.
Were they gay characters?
I don't remember it.
No, them.
I think there was, I mean, I washighly attracted to Sawyer.
Highly.
Oh yeah, highly.
He was so hot.
I don't think he ever spoken anormal voice.
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No.
He was like, yeah.
With his like, oh, so hot.
Who else?
The anti cus was smoking hot.
The brunette.
Kate.
Kate.
Kate, Kate.
Kate.
Oh my God.
Kate.
Kate.
And then when it came out, shewas one who was like the
prisoner.
Uhhuh the prisoner on board.
Oh my God.
She was hot.
Who else was else was hot.
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Honestly, Boone, when Boonedied.
Boone.
Oh, Bo was so hot.
Boone was Boone the Australianone.
Boone played, yeah.
Who was played by Ian?
Summer Holder.
Oh, he was so hot.
Yeah.
Did you ever watch, what's theother show that Ian Summer
Holder and that other guy werein is like Vampirey?
True blood.
Is that the thing?
No, but I know it.
Is it true blood?
Yeah, true.
Yeah.
No, I never watched that shit.
Me neither, but Boone.
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Oh my.
Oh my God.
God.
This entire cast, God, thisentire cast, Sawyer.
Oh, is that what Sawyer lookslike?
Saeed could get it too.
Side.
Could get it.
Side could get it.
Gin.
Could get it.
Gin.
Gin could get, and they were allshirtless all the time.
All the time.
They were all like, just likenaked in the, in the swimming
holes.
Oh my God.
Oh my God.
Who else was hot?
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Yeah.
See?
Gay awakenings.
Gay come from all directions,for sure.
High school musical, if therewere any.
We must talk about it.
Troy's, I completely forgotabout high school musical.
The one, the one scene that wasa constant on my search history,
ew, on Google, was the showerscene when he is singing in the
shower.
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Which sa which movie for one?
When Troy is singing in theshower and he's like basically
naked.
No, that was the first time hewas ever shirtless in high
school musical.
I dunno how old he was.
I dunno how old he was.
'cause now this is kind of,sounds a bit like to say'cause
like I'm No, it was'cause itcame out at the time when you
were young.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
So talking about it then.
Yeah, my inner child isspeaking.
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Okay.
You're correct.
Thank you.
Okay.
I don't think he was singing,but he was like, dad spoke to
him when he was in the showerand he like, yeah.
Yeah.
And it was like, it was like.
Tit up.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I was like, and there was onescene where he was singing in
the shower.
He was in the shower, twoscenes.
And I was like, as a young gaychild.
And then the second movie waswhen he was actually shirtless.
Like in a pool or something?
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Yes.
'cause they were on like, youknow, they were, they were in
Arizona, the vacation home.
Yeah.
Place.
Yeah.
It was that in Arizona?
I think.
So.
Why do you remember the locationof everything?
I just, I have weird memory.
Um, and then who else was hot inthere?
Have you seen what the dad lookslike now?
So he was on, so someone likeposted a video of him in on In
New York?
Yeah, on TikTok like two orthree years ago.
Yeah, he's hot.
Hot.
Yeah, he's hot.
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Could get it.
I'm like, is he gay Media?
Media for me is just the menthat I'm attracted to.
I feel like he's a Republicannow.
Who?
Or maybe he's not.
Corbin.
Ballou.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I don't, I don't keep up withthat Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Who was a friend?
Oh, the guy.
Guy who did the cre brulee.
I thought he was a bit hot.
Huh?
The cre, bru, brulee guy.
Which guy?
The guy, you know, the guy who'slike, say what you want in your
fucking brain.
And he's like, guys, I like tomake creme brulee and do this
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and do that.
Yeah.
And they were like, no, no, no.
Stick to the stuff, you know.
Was he the skater?
No, he was on the basketballteam.
Uh, Zeke.
Okay.
I don't recognize any of thesepeople.
'cause these are the, all thecurrent head shots and they've
not aged well.
Again, all the women lookfantastic, but all the men look
foul.
What other queer media did weconsume?
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I completely forgot about highschool musical, so I feel like
you've got more in your brain.
mean, glee was the big thing forme.
They're not were they're notlike other like Gossip girl
esque shows you watched growingup.
No, I watched Veggie Tails.
Huh?
I'm sorry, what?
Have you ever seen Veggie Tails?
I have no idea.
What're talking.
You don't know what veggie tailsare.
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The tomato in the cucumber, youknow the tomato in the cucumber.
it's a Christian show, but thenwhy would I have watched it?
So I don't know.
You also have like an Islamicversion.
It was like a date.
A date, and a mango set inMecca.
(27:50):
Wait.
No, I thought that was like aTikTok thing.
No, it's a Christian show.
No, like it's a show based onlike Christian teachings, like
teaching you about the bible.
But it's all these fuckingvegetables.
I don't know why they'revegetables.
I don't know why they'reChristian, but they are, and
that's what I watched growingup.
Sometimes you really do need tokeep things to yourself.
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No, it's part of my lore.
Lore.
My lore is deep and profound.
Yeah.
Mentally, mentally ill.
That is crazy.
Um, I wanna skip forward to, um,queer Eye.
Yeah.
I was thinking about Queer Eyetoo, because that feels like a
good, a good, a good one to hitas an important piece of queer
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media, even though I shan't bewatching it now, because I think
it's a little bit cringe at themoment.
I, oh yeah.
There was a new season, wasn'tthere?
Yeah.
I'm just cringed out by itbecause it just doesn't.
I, it's very important.
It's an important show.
It's a very important show.
It's an important show, but Ithink it's important for
straight people.
Totally.
I think it's important for likegay people if they haven't had
like, you know, the exposure.
(28:52):
Mm-hmm.
And I think for me it was a, itwas a good way for me to bridge
the gap between my momunderstanding gay things for the
first time.
So queer, I help my mom.
Mm-hmm.
For me personally as a show towatch, I just like, don't care
that much.
I'm good to go.
I'm gay as fuck.
Yeah.
I don't really need to, I, someof the episodes are like
emotional and like heartwrenching, and I'm like, yeah,
(29:13):
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't need to watch it.
But, and very important, I willsay Tan France still was the
first person.
Yeah.
And when, when did that comeout?
Eight years ago.
Like eight years ago.
27 or eight years ago.
2019.
So first gay.
Brown, Pakistani, British,British, Muslim background.
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What else?
What other trigger words can Iuse?
Platinum hair.
You had platinum hair at thetime.
I did have platinum.
I did not have platinum hair atthe time.
'cause that came out when wewere in Berlin.
Still.
Well you got inspired to haveplatinum hair because of him.
No, I did not.
Uh oh my God.
God.
Uh, anyway, yeah, first personthat looked like me, like truly
like, looked alike me.
Represented me.
Yeah.
In media.
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Very important.
No, the first couple of seasonswere like incredible.
And I remember crying at a lotof them.
'cause I'm like, I come from abackground of these people.
Yeah, yeah.
These people.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well that's both my family andthat's how I was raised.
So it's like, it was very, uh, Iwas very, yeah, I was very, my
emotions were tugged.
My, my heartstrings were, werepulled at.
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Yeah, if you will, by this show.
And it was great.
I'm not gonna watch it anymorethough.
Antony's hot.
I'm sorry.
The new interior designer's hot.
Oh yeah, that's true.
I think it's really hot.
Okay, so we're, this is a showwe're just talking about, like
this episode, we're just talkingabout people who think we're
hot.
Isn't that what gay media is?
Oh, I should be gay Awakenings.
Yeah.
Gay media, gay awakenings,awakenings.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We come up with the episode, gayepisodes as we go, awakenings.
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when you were like young, youngthough, how young?
Young, how young?
Because I know you had a certaincrush on a certain, oh, please.
We've already talked about thison the podcast.
Have we?
Yes.
Danny Phantom.
Tony Hawk, not Tony Hawk.
I'm not talking about Tony Hawkagain.
I'm going, I'm going beyondthat.
Well, that was my first, uh,yeah.
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I mean, I don't know.
No.
'cause Tony Hawk might have beenyour first like human being
crush you, freak Danny Phantomis a human being.
Don't talk about him like that.
That is a drawing.
That's a drawing on a piece ofpaper, and he is a hot drawing.
Oh my God.
Imagine fans seeing a piece ofpaper not as a brunette, but
only as a platinum hair.
Imagine.
Was he ever a brunette ghost?
Yes.
When he was a boy or black hair?
He, sorry.
He had black hair.
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Oh, he is two different people.
No, he's the same person, but hebecame a ghost.
What's the show?
Danny Phantom.
He died?
No, no, no.
He just can turn into a ghost.
Oh.
What the fuck is this show?
I don't actually remember thepremise, but I know he was,
what's the name of the show?
Danny Phantom.
Oh, that's the name of the show.
What?
I don't know why I thought thatwas, he was a character from
like F odd parents.
'cause animation was similar?
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No, he has no, he has a wholeshow.
Yeah, I did watch very loudparents as well, and sometimes I
forget, like I'm like, not evensignificantly, I'm older than
you, but like, not even just byage, but by like social, social
state.
What are you gonna say now?
What the fuck social state is instreet?
Blah, blah.
Oh my God.
Shut up.
I am older than you in StreetSmart.
I, yeah, Danny Pham was a crushfor sure.
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Okay.
Cartoons.
Cartoons.
I had a crush on Danny Phantom.
I had a crush on.
Oh my god.
That big, massive guy fromfairly odd parents.
The big guy with like the, themilitary guy.
I didn't with the big arms.
I didn't hear you talking about,um, who else?
Scar from the Lion King, um, guyis crazy.
That is mentally ill.
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No, it's true.
He could get it.
Look at him.
That's a lion.
Look at him.
That is a lion.
But look at him.
Oh my God.
No, you're trying, but you'rejustifying bestiality.
It's the obvious next step.
Oh my God.
Get out.
This is this, this group, we'reteeing on the edge here.
You'll see that on Fox News.
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Did you not have any cartooncrushes?
Not really.
That's weird.
Ooh, wait, not like crushes.
Mm.
Anybody that you were like, Ooh,if he was real, he could get it.
Do you have watch Digi?
Yeah, for sure.
There was like an angel Digi mancalled like Anon, I think his
name was.
So you made fun of me of aliking a lion, but was fucking
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You were like a digon.
He was hot.
You thought a digon was hot.
What?
Wait till you see him.
Wait till you see him.
Angel Digon.
Anon.
Anon.
Is it called anon?
Yeah.
His, it is like his finalevolution or something.
Oh, wasn't he hot?
Was he hot?
Yeah.
Look, Oh yeah.
'cause I wanted to be her thatcountry one.
Oh, and then I fancied that one,that other country one.
(33:30):
Did he ever helmet on the wholetime?
Oh, I was obsessed with Digmanand then this one, of course,
his name is Angie Man, and thewoman was called Angie Woman.
Angie Woman.
But they weren't, it wasn't, itwasn't woman.
It was, whoa.
So it's Angie Woman and thenthey pronounced it Angie Wo
Woman, and it was Angie, man.
Cool.
(33:50):
So were they technically,because it's Digi man and
everything was, did all the Digiman end with man?
They did, didn't they?
Probably.
But were they like monsters orthey, was that a, I don't, was
that a person?
Don't remember.
Or was a monster?
This was like, I was like fullylike six years old, so I don't
remember.
Mm.
Yeah, I don't remember thepremise of it really.
There was another show I used tolove.
(34:10):
What?
did you ever watch a show calledCard Captors?
No.
It was like a manga, but it waslike, I think it was like set,
it's like a, it was like dubbed,My gay awakening was wanting to
be Kora from card captures.
Mm, I don't, is that her?
I don't know who that is becausewait card capture, Kora a magic
girl, manga and anime seriesabout Kora.
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Keno Keno Moto, a fourth graderwho accidentally releases magic
cards from a book in her fa inher father's study.
Crazy.
She opens up a book.
Listen, this is when I knew Iwas gay.
I think I was six and Idiscovered this Cty little show.
She opens a book.
And all these fucking magiccards fly out and scatter around
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the town, around the city.
And she's like, oh my God, whatdid I just do?
And it's her quest to find allthe cards because the cards
animate into real characters andlike one is like shadow and it
like comes into the, comes intothe night and like fucks you up.
One is like the wind and shecaptures them and then kinda
obtain their abilities.
And then she gets the cards andshe has like a little wand and I
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was like, this is the.
ConEst show ever.
I'm homosexual now.
That's how that works.
That and Sailor Moon, I hadSailor Moon card captors and
then Digi Man, I feel like DigiMan.
Wasn't that Cty actually, I justshowed you what Angie Man and
Angie Wman looked like.
So yeah, it was pretty cty.
You know?
What else was Cty Yugi?
That was pretty cty.
I know he was kind of hot.
The big, the other guy, not the,not the one with the spiky hair,
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but the one with the brown hair.
Kinda like Professor X lookingass guy.
Uhhuh his main, his mainvillain.
The main villain against Yugi.
He was the one with the, um,dark magician.
I completely missed an entireplot point.
He was the dark magician washot.
Yeah, the dark magician was hot.
Wait, this guy?
Yeah.
Yeah.
He could get it.
But that's the blue.
(35:57):
That's not the dark magician.
That's the blue-eyed white.
Oh, you, you had the darkmagician.
That's'cause that's the blueeyed white dragon.
He had the blue eyes whitedragon.
we missed a complete plot pointwhere my, my big, the beginning
saga of my, like anime esque,uh, world of television started.
And I think I do have my firstever, ever, ever.
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Anime crush.
And that was Goku from DragonBallsy.
Oh my God.
Yes.
Or Trunks.
But when he came back from thefuture, when he's like older, I
don't remember who Trunks was.
Purple hair.
He's, um, Ji's son, but he likecomes back from the future.
You're saying So many words.
(36:41):
I have not looked at.
Come on.
I have not looked at Dragon.
Everything that show waseverything to me.
I know they had a lot of abs.
All of them had abs.
if you ever like look up like, Idon't know, like workouts on on
TikTok or something, you'll comeby like one random Jim bro.
He'll be like, here's how to getsuper sane pecs.
What?
'cause they're super sains.
Like, here's how to get my SuperSan Pec workout.
(37:03):
Oh.
And I'm like, yeah, I kind ofwant Super San Pecs.
Wait, this little, this littleguy, the older version.
Oh, that's a child.
When he came back from thefuture, I was like, that's a
child.
Yeah, not the child.
You freak.
That's a child.
Older.
He was.
He's right there.
This one?
Yes.
He was older.
He was when he Some fuckingmegamind.
(37:24):
Yeah, when he shirtless.
Should I type shirtless trunks?
Dragon balls.
Shirtless Dragon balls.
Google.
Show me this guy's dragon balls.
I told you my inner child isdoing this podcast right now.
Also, wait a minute, wait aminute.
And I just thought of anotherone.
Oh wow.
yeah, yeah.
I told you for sure thoseboulder shoulders.
(37:46):
Bold.
That is so many abdominals.
Yes.
No, that is crazy.
This gave me unreal.
This is where my unreal,realistic body expectations came
from.
Yeah.
These like alien characters.
Yeah.
I was like, I can look like thateasily.
Yeah.
Easily.
Should I talk like shirtless,shirtless?
Dragon ball.
We we're getting too far intothe characters.
(38:08):
Sure.
That's, I just wanna see if Ican find the craziest one.
It's again, it's just drawings.
Yeah.
I mean, Goku was like the one,right, and he was so nice too.
Like Yeah, he's the one Goku, healways had like, although did
like, I did like the G'cause hewas a bit of a batty.
Mm.
Like why?
Did our parents not understandthat we were gay?
I don't know.
Well, my brother used to watchit and my cousins all watched it
(38:30):
and we all watched it togetherand, and no one turned gay.
Obsessed with the dragon,ballsy.
'cause it was, the storyline wasfantastic for sure.
Like you are six years old andyou're watching this show and
it's like, this is.
Insane.
Yeah, no, it's a and go crazyshot, like dies right at the
beginning and you're like, oh,okay, well fuck.
And they have to collect all thedragon balls to like go and get
him.
I don't remember much about it.
(38:51):
I'm not gonna lie.
Right at the beginning, he likefights freezer dies, trying to
kill him and kills him, dies.
But then they have, then theyhave to, that's when they go on
the quest to look for all thedragon balls to bring him back.
Another one came to my mind.
Oh my God.
How many do you have now?
No, but this isn't animated.
It's crazy.
I'm not.
You've opened up a, a wormhole.
Oh.
Finally, we're 47 minutes in.
Yeah.
You've opened up a can of worms.
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A wormhole.
Wormhole.
Do we know how to speak English?
No.
Fuck no.
No, no, no, no.
Anyway.
Power ranges.
Oh, that that is animate.
Isn't that I animated?
No Girl was that, was therereally?
Do you know?
I recently just learned though.
What?
So the show Power Ranges.
This is gonna be news to youguys.
Friends of mine at the table.
(39:36):
So Power Rangers, which again, Iused to fucking love.
Yes.
The Mighty Morphing PowerRangers.
The government name.
Yeah, they, it was, it's a showin Japan.
Sure.
That they took the footage from.
When they're in their costumes.
Sure.
And the robots in the fuckingmoon, the moon scenes of Rita.
(39:57):
Fucking Skeeter.
R Rita, not Rita Ski.
Rita Skeeter.
That's from Harry Potter.
Wait, Rita Raps.
Rapunzel.
I just measure Rita Skeeter'sface on a moon.
Kind of the same.
Yeah.
So no, the, the, the, thevillains had a base on the moon.
I know all about it.
Yeah.
all of that, it's all dubbed inEnglish and like they have the
English like dubbing over the.
(40:18):
When they're in their costumes.
Yeah.
Because they only film all thehigh school scenes when they're
like in school in America withthe American cast.
Ah, crazy.
I thought it was all original.
Jason, oh my God.
At the time were they, were theyever shirtless, Tommy?
Were they ever shirtless?
No, I don't think they werebecause it was like, that sucks.
It was missed opportunity.
Wait, were they Tommy from, um,power Rangers?
(40:41):
I'm pretty sure he diedrecently.
One of them died This is Jason.
I fancy Jason.
A hundred percent.
It was the nineties.
Yeah, a hundred percent.
It was the nineties.
Okay.
Yeah, hot.
Hot.
For sure.
For sure, for sure.
Sure.
This is Tommy.
Oh, you used to fancy fuckingTommy Tom, who?
Tony Hawk.
Tony Hawk.
I did.
And I stand by that decision.
There were more characters.
Oh, he did die in 2022.
(41:04):
Rip.
No, that's so sad.
I think that shows why we'regay.
I think that is, I think thatshows, listen, we're
homosexuals.
'cause we saw shirtless men ontelevision.
Isn't that fucking George?
We could go one further and say,oh my God, You could say that I
was in the underwear section.
For sure at the Tesco extra forsure.
That is the reason.
And then we saw, well, did I?
(41:25):
No, it wasn't.
It was Debenhams.
I was in the under underwearsection in Deb Des, what the
fuck?
Denims.
What the fuck?
I think they went outta businessrecently.
Denims, daba, nims denims.
Let's go to denims guys.
Sorry.
Fruit tails or what?
Whatever the fuck you were justtalking about.
What?
Your veggie tails.
Your veggie mite tails.
(41:46):
Your tails of veggie mite likeveggie mite tails, dick.
Okay.
Suck a Vegemite dick.
You freak.
I'm talking about a departmentstore in the UK called
Debenhams, spelled Deb n Hams.
Okay.
Where I saw my first underwearmodel.
Underwear, my first, I saw myfirst underwear.
(42:08):
First garment of underwear.
Okay, so leave me alone.
that was intricate.
It was intricate thank you somuch for listening to this
episode of Let's Dig In.
If you enjoyed what you heard,please give us a five star
review on Apple Podcasts orwherever you listen to your
podcasts.
And if you didn't enjoy what youheard, then why don't you go
(42:30):
shut the fuck up.
Don't say anything.
If you give us anything lessthan a five star.
I hate you.
I really don't.
Thank you so much for listeningto this ramble.
That was so fun.
Um, next week's gonna be aspecial birthday episode for me.
Oh, okay.
No, delete that Maybe it willbe.
Maybe it's just gonna be you.
I just won't be here.
Oh, that'd be fun, wouldn't it?
Just you looking at a camera foran hour ranting.
(42:53):
That's the best birthday presentI can give you.
That is the best birthdaypresent I could give to myself.
Well, just like an hour for youto not shut up.
See you then.
Bye bye.
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