February 19, 2025 • 49 mins
Do we dream of labor? NO. have we worked a billion different jobs in our lives? YES. let's dig into how we got here - what career path's we've meandered down and maybe even what we learned on the way!
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Hello.
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Hello.
Hello, and welcome back to yetanother episode where we sit
around our dining table and talkto you about.
What if we want to talk to youabout, and you just have to
listen.
For as long as you please.
Hopefully that's the entirety ofthe show.
We'd love for you to stickaround.
Tell us your opinions.
Share with us talking to yourphone as if we're right there
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with you, your woes and yourtroubles, your.
Hose in your troubles.
I.
I have also been forced to dressup an office attire for this
episode.
I was just thinking off as a tiefor this episode, because we are
going to be discussing my veryactually no, my least favorite
topic on the face of the planet.
Work.
employment.
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Ah, money-making.
Moneymaking.
It's got some pros.
Some pros, mostly cons mostlythere's only one pro money.
And all of the rest of the consthat so true.
Let's see, like what you do, ifyou like what you do, you'll
never work a day in your life.
It seems.
Nobody wants to work these days.
Imagine if Kim Kardashian wasthis Casa.
Try it.
Seems like no one wants to workthese days.
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Get it off.
Somewhere.
That was good.
Thanks.
So nice.
Nice.
let's dig into our career paths.
You're like, we start thepodcast and you say let's dive
in.
And I'm like, we have a catchphrase.
Like we have a title of thepodcast and it is to dig in as
if we're eating, but we're alsodigging into a topic and you
just miss it every time.
Why are you colors on yourshirt?
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So big?
I don't know.
What is the show?
I don't go to work.
I don't go to work.
Nice callers.
Humongous.
I don't have nice shirts.
I don't go to work.
Oh, my God.
I dressed.
In my pajamas and.
No.
have you seen that?
The great Gatsby, the movie?
No, you've never seen no, notthe recent one that the Bri make
with.
Um, It's not even recent.
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Just covering it.
Now we studied English inEnglish, lit in college.
We studied the great Gatsby.
They made us watch like theseventies or the sixties movie
version of the book.
Sure.
And Daisy, she likes, seesGatsby's shuts for the first
time.
So the nicest shuts I've everseen, which is like caressing
them.
That just reminded me of that.
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Anyway work.
Let's dig in.
Let's dig in.
We need to have an intro, cuteand show do Lilly.
Should we do.
If you're like, yeah.
If you can comment somewhere,comment down below.
I should teach you where peoplecan comment.
I don't know why to beeverywhere.
Okay.
You can come in everywhere.
Well, Actually this quiterelates to work.
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Cause this is our job right now.
This.
Right now, this is our job.
It is.
So I'm asking you as the cocustomer.
I guess you could be thecustomer, I guess you could be
like the customer listener.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The service provider or we'rethe bosses.
They are the customer.
Right now the producer and thelistener.
Customer.
Yeah, they are consuming what weare producing creative in the
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consumer.
They're consuming what we areproducing.
Then my question to you is, doyou think we should have a
little.
Jingle a June.
I think we should have a jingle.
We'll find a jingle somewhere.
Who could do it.
I'm not going to do it.
I can sing it.
The police dog duty.
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He plays the cello.
I don't know anyone else placed.
It's an instrument as it'd belike, did he did it?
Let's dig in with a map.
The holiday, why Jack Blackmakes um, Make songs for mix
makes the tune.
Exactly.
Iris and what's his face.
Yep.
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okay.
Let's get back on topic.
Fuck.
Okay.
Work.
This is how I feel about work.
I don't like to talk about it.
I don't like to do.
Well, We made a whole episodeout of it.
So let's talk about where ourhumble beginnings were.
Humble beginnings.
What was your first job?
Humble.
Mumble.
It's as humble as if I can come.
A year.
Was.
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I was 15.
So when I was 16, I finishedhigh school.
That means I was, it was 2000the year.
It was 2007.
Perfect.
I'm gonna go to you.
It was actually 2007, rightbefore the financial crisis.
For who.
Everyone.
I wasn't.
Yeah.
Pretty bad.
Well That, yeah.
Oh, that was pretty big.
I thought it was just like, no.
It was a global recession.
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I don't know, I wasn't verytuned into politics.
I was 15, I was 15 and I wasbusted my ass at the restaurant.
The restaurant.
When you're 15.
Huh?
Do I know this story?
Yes.
As a first job.
Try not.
Could you shut up and let me seeyou.
So it's the first job you askedme how I got there.
I'm telling you.
When you're in year.
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10.
Yeah.
It's and when you're in year 10at school, you have to do work
experience, right?
So you.
There's a bunch of differentplaces that like, Half the work
experience programs, people cango into whatever career path
they want to do.
Like people can work in like asalon or like if they want to
work at a salon, like whenthey're older, I was like as
your one choices along.
No, you can not work in likedifferent places.
you know, the lads, they workedin like a construction field, or
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like, I don't know.
Some fucking weird ass jobs.
at the time, I was like, I thinkI want to be a chef.
Um, This is, I like have changedmy career trajectory a billion
times before I turned 18.
So bear with me.
I want it to be a chef.
So was that, let me go and workin a restaurant.
The original thing was supposedto be a two week work
experience.
Two weeks.
That's it.
Two week.
Work experience.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
Like you go and like you work.
I think we got offs.
I can't remember.
I think we got off school.
I was 15.
Oh, wow.
You got off school and you'd goto work every day.
The screams child labor?
No, it was fully child labor.
Do you.
How much I paid, how much?
Three pound.
What's the minimum wage crazy atthe time, I think below 15, it
was like three pound, 50 anhour.
That's crazy.
Isn't it?
As a 15 year old, is that evenlegal?
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It was then.
Yeah.
Because it was work experience.
You could work.
Busing tables.
No, it was in the back.
It was all local.
I don't know, be stro.
Oh.
I'd call that'd be stroke.
You're dressed like a, like youwould be as like a server for
Yeah.
Okay.
I, yeah, it was just likechopping vegetables in the back.
That's it?
Two weeks I chopped vegetablesand I was like, I like it here.
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And they were like, you're agreat worker.
And I was like, they were like,you've got a face to face for
the front.
And I was like, no shit.
So not what you wanted to do.
You were trying to be a chef.
Yeah.
And they were like, and theywere like, no, you look pretty.
So be a waiter.
Yeah, I worked for like, I thinksix months at that restaurant.
And then I got fired.
Oh, why?
Because I called in sick.
When I wasn't sick, How long didyou have a job total?
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Six months.
Oh, that's longer than Ithought.
Rude.
You said you were there for twoweeks chopping vegetables.
And I was like two weeks, sevenvegetables because of the work
experience.
That was part of the schoolprogram.
And then you started.
The name of the program atschool.
At school.
They made you do.
And then yeah, I got the job.
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So your first job was inrestauranteuring.
And my first job was in customerservice.
As a sales associate at ye oldAmerican Eagle Outfitters.
First job.
Yeah.
That was your first job.
Yeah in high school.
This emphasis is going to beshort because you didn't do
much.
I've had.
Three jobs.
Oh my God.
Including this crazy.
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I feel like seven.
No.
So I no, I started working onAmerican Eagle.
I had to, I actually, it waslike sophomore year of high
school.
16.
Okay.
16.
I had two interviews at twoplaces.
It was Bojangles'.
Or American Eagle.
And you chose American Eagle.
I was going to work atBojangles.
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Oh, you'd be like way more obesethan you already were.
Yeah, exactly.
We've seen the pictures.
Whoa.
I shopped in the Husky sectionof Kohl's.
Yes, I was a little chubby.
So no, I didn't want to do that.
I also, they wouldn't let me offduring like football games.
Cause I had to go sing with mychoir for the national Anthem at
football games.
They wouldn't let me offer that.
So they were like, you're gonnahave to work to that.
And I was like, no, I want to beclear gay.
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I want to be in court.
You're one of them queer.
Yeah.
He was like, no.
Actually I think I I gotaccepted to it, but I also
interviewed with American Eagleat the time.
And I was like, I want to be.
We're going an American Eaglebecause they have cool clothes.
When you were in high school andsomeone works in retail.
Oh, my fucking God.
That's so cool.
It was good that worked at topshop.
And I was like, you are thecontests person on the planet.
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On American Eagle.
Oh, a hundred percent.
American Eagle is.
Cool at the time, it was likethe mid ground between.
Aeropostle and huh.
Arab hostile.
What?
Aeropostle no Arab hostile.
No.
Arab hostile.
We're not saying it wrong.
Arab hostile.
Yeah.
Is it air fossil era.
It's a clothing brown erahostile.
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It was like the lower tier oflike the Hollister and the
Abercrombie stores, Arabhostile.
Not make it over there.
So you were signing.
Abercrombie and Hollister wherethe higher end.
No.
What the fuck are you goingabout?
Abercrombie and Hollister with ahigher end.
American Eagle was the midrange.
Okay.
And then air Postel.
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No.
It's a thing.
It sounds like a place you'd getlike value bins.
Kinda.
Wow.
It sounds so fun.
So I worked in the mid tierbecause I just, I think I, oh,
no, I tried to get a job atHollister.
I wasn't hot enough.
No.
Oh my God.
I once interviewed, I got, I gotaccepted to Allister.
Thing that they.
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Tracy to shave your face.
And it was like, Nope.
So you're racist.
I'm not going to do that.
Save your face.
I'm not going to do that.
No.
American Eagle took everyonevery inclusive at the time.
Wow.
Yeah.
Including you big back bitch.
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Okay.
That's fun.
Yeah.
And I was a really goodsalesperson.
I actually was the I'm lookingback on it, not so proud of this
moment, but I was like thehighest credit card salesman.
Of the American Eagle staff inHickory, North Carolina.
So you're the devil.
So I'm the devil.
Yes.
So I got so many people incredit card debt.
Yeah.
Like I the percentage rate waslike, oh, it's 25, 30% or
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something.
and then it's crazy.
I'd be like.
So do you want 10% off of yourorder today?
If you sign up for an AmericanNaval credit card, you get so
many points, you get so manydone.
But I don't know.
And I was like, you're in creditcard debt now.
It happened to me.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, I remember it was thattop shop when I was 18.
someone was you can get creditcard to get this.
Purchased 10% off.
And it was like, The height isof me.
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Oh, my God.
Wait.
Wait, what's the cat.
And then they like charge me andthey didn't have to pay that.
And everything cause they put iton the credit card.
And it was like, I didn't knowwhat was going on.
So it was like, That was free.
That's crazy.
It's just gone and I haveclothes.
The money is gone the closer inmy hand.
I'm like, oh, like I also, I'm18.
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I'm like, I want like newclothes for every night out.
I was in such bad credit carddebt.
And then they went tocollections crazy.
So these are like, thesecollections were like, come to
my house.
And then my mum moved.
And so did I, so I don't knowwhy that.
I don't know, happened to that.
If you're listing.
Credit card people.
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No, you're not, I don't know ifyour debtor is listening to this
podcast.
Isn't it crazy though.
Yeah, that's good.
Oh, so I feel like the statuteof limitations.
This is expired on such a thing.
I don't know if that applies tothese situations.
What is it collection go.
If you've not been.
I don't like to think of, Idon't live in that country
anymore.
Fuck off.
And I don't like to think aboutthings like that.
So that's your problem.
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Yeah, I was really good at myjob.
I was a great sales employee.
How long were you that full?
All through high school.
So three years from sophomoreyear, probably.
And then I worked some incollege, so I think five years
total.
I would come back.
I stood at 16 sophomore year 16.
18 is when senior year when yougraduate.
High school.
And then I would come downsometimes to work.
Cause my school was close towhere it was like an hour away.
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So I'd still come down and worksometimes on like buck Fridays,
because you get double, you payan overtime.
That was so good.
I was, I went to a black Friday.
I was there at midnight.
Until 7:00 AM.
Actually, I worked a little morethan eight hours.
And some days, and I was likeyeah, I'm here for 12 hours to
do audits.
Yeah.
I think you come in at 5:00 AMinventory.
Yeah.
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Everything.
Yeah.
The most.
truly the most mundane activityhuman beings could possibly ever
imagine to do you just stand andscan thousands of items
throughout the day?
Yeah.
What the fuck?
I learned a lot in that job.
I learned to talk to people.
I learned.
To sell.
Wow.
But it's cards.
I learned teamwork.
Do you know what, everythingthat you learned at American
Eagle, you're applying in yourcurrent life right now?
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Really?
Yeah.
You talk to people through yourphone.
On the microphone.
You sell.
Via Partnerships.
Affiliate links.
If you need immediately is.
And what the hell was the otherthing?
Team work.
I'm working with.
You're working with me.
Nice.
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Nice job.
And that was my first job.
And how do you even finish that?
2020 C between 20.
My 15 and 20, I had 50 billionjobs.
Let me them fire around them andfire them.
Because I only stop at asignificant one.
It was a significant story totell me all of your, have any
questions in between.
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Please let me know.
Whilst I'm going.
Don't ask me afterwards becausethen I'll lose my train of
thought.
Throw them at me.
Okay.
I got fired from the restaurantwhen I was 15 going on 16.
Cause I really wanted to go out.
I think it was my birthday.
It was close to anyway, I'dsaved up quite a little bit of
money.
And then I got really drunk onmy 16th birthday and I lost a
bunch of cash.
Hello carrying around and it wascrazy.
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And I was like, maybe I need ajob again.
Cause I was like, you know what?
I'm 16 now I'm young.
I'm free.
And then I want to be likecrazy.
And turns out was a bit toocrazy.
I lost a bunch of cash.
I went out.
I went out for that day.
Yeah.
When I was 16, I got wasted.
And then I.
Had cash in my bag.
And I'm sure one of the friendswanted someone that was with.
I was at like a house pie andsomeone that I was I'm sure,
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went in my bag and stolen.
Yeah.
Like one of your friends.
Like one of your friends.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Do you know?
No.
Do you know for sure.
No.
Yeah, I know.
I know.
I know that one of them did it.
Oh, because well, who else wouldhave taken it?
Who else would have taken it?
Hey, fuck.
I love to diverged from the mainthing.
Then it was like, maybe I needsome money.
So then me and my friend, me andmy friend, Rachel, we signed up
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to do.
Like flyer delivery.
At this pizza place Oh, actuallyall of these jobs I had with all
on one road.
a few doors down with this it'slike pizza place.
We literally went around these,this entire street and we were
just like hunting out.
OCBs.
And then I was like, please hireus.
We're so poor.
And it went money to.
I want money to buy alcohol.
Literally the only thing Iwanted money for.
What else do you need money for?
When you're 16 cigarettes.
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That's all I needed money for.
What am I saying?
I had my first drink at 18.
All loser.
Handing out flyers at a pizzashop.
To get fucking cigarettes.
Prior E's may menthols.
Of course menthols.
Hello.
Fuck.
Oh, my God.
Ah, What do you think?
I am barbaric.
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So I was handing out theseflyers.
It was really cold and I waslike, this is so boring.
We lasted a day.
He was like, apparently the guythat threw the piece of place
was driving around watching eyesand we would shove them in
people's bins.
Throwing them down the gut.
Uh, Like into like, Gutter.
Into the water system.
He didn't even recycle them.
No, I was fucking 16.
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I didn't give a shit about that.
And so he saw that.
So we saw that and we went overto money and he was like I'm not
paying you because you didn't doany of it.
There was no flies at any of thehouses that we asked you to put
flyers out.
And so it was like you only hadto put them.
You'd have to give them toanyone.
Did you have to give them to.
You just had to push them aroundand just put them through
people's letterboxes and youcould've gotten money for your
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cigarettes and you just decidednot to.
I when we were stopped.
I know, but then we got firedfor that.
So it didn't make it the day.
Again, I'm 16 and I was reallyTom did I have another job after
that?
I don't think I.
Oh, no.
The store.
How did you know that?
Because I know how did you.
I know your histories and thenfurther up the same street.
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I've seen this.
At the same road.
I worked at the co-op like, It'slike a convenience store,
grocery store kind of thing.
And I worked there for quite abit and I made some good friends
and I kind liked that job.
It was fine.
It was very like chill.
But I finished high school bythis point and I was at sixth
form college.
Which is still your like highschool.
Yes.
I was 17, 16, 17.
Yeah.
And yeah, I was working at thislittle grocery store,
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convenience store place and Iloved it.
I was so fun.
And then one day, this manwalked in.
It was just like a Monday nightand he was like so friendly and
he was like asking me to do allthese weird transactions that I
couldn't quite understand whatwas going on.
And there was a line forming andI was like yeah, let me quickly
put these transactions through.
He was like paying for thingswith like a.
Who's trying to top up his likegas and electric cards that you
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could do, you know?
yeah.
And then he was like using likea credit card.
We had the credit card numberwritten down, but I bear in
mind.
I'm 16.
My frontal cortex has not.
It's not even there.
Even man, clearly you've allheard the bus story.
It's not that.
So I was like, Let me enterthese numbers that you gave him,
got a scrap piece of paper tomake this transaction go
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through.
And he paid, he was like payingfor.
His gas and electric cards,which I thought were, got some
electric.
And they ended up being GamblingGod's thoughts, what they were.
I was at gambling.
He was like topping up hisgambling cards.
And I was like, that was weird.
Anyway.
Next, please.
And the next day my managercalled me and they were like,
you have to come into workbecause the police are here.
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I have to go to school.
I have to go to school now.
Now.
Sorry.
And then anyway, when I went in,they were like, no, the full
police investigation.
And they were like, you lookreally chummy with this guy.
So do you know him?
And I was like, no, I'm justreally from ma'am.
Promise.
I don't know who he was.
I'm so sorry.
I didn't know what was going on.
And it was like really busy andI didn't know what to do.
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And then they were like, youshould've called us if you
needed help a lot.
And I was like, I'm 16.
You left me like to man.
The tale was about the tills bymyself.
Also child labor.
I know literally, so you can sayall of these.
All of these instances were notmy fault.
Yeah.
Let's just say I got fired.
I was actually quite solidbecause I liked that job.
They fired you.
It was really fun.
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then what I, then it didn'twork.
Did I work again until I went touni.
I didn't build my, like my bestfriend in college.
She like was working as a shopgirl.
Like a Jew who is XL jelloshots.
At the club.
And I'm going to support.
uh, worked in we'd like doshallow shots.
Why didn't you get that jobs?
Uh, Good support.
It sounds like a great job.
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Missing parts of my memory fromthat point in my life, because
it was very chaotic.
It was, this was like 17, 18,and I was like really going it.
Wasn't going to the clubs forthe first time.
And so while you were workingsimply for cigarettes and
alcohol, bla.
Oh my God.
Yeah.
Did I have a job when I worked.
When I went to the othercollege.
I can't say.
You know what.
(18:45):
I can't say if I did or not.
And then I moved to university.
And then the job's got weird.
Oh, I only have one job inuniversity.
What was it?
I find her so boring.
I worked for American Eagle for10, 10 years.
Boston.
That company model.
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I'm tired of this grandpa.
That's today.
I worked for American Eagle forfive years.
And then I was like, let me finda job at my university.
So I don't have to go homesometimes and work for.
The corporation.
So I found a job as a you know,like the, every university will
have an, like a art.
Art museum.
Like a gallery.
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Or they were like show likestudents work.
Okay.
Did you have one of those?
I went to an art school, thewhole building was in.
Well, We had one thing was likean art gallery and I was like
the person who like sat thereand like minded the arch.
What the fuck?
While people like walked aroundand I would shadow them and make
sure they didn't touch the yard.
It's like an old man jaw.
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But I could, I just, literally,most of the time, no one came at
him.
So I just sat there duringlecture.
Obviously.
So I sat there, like working onmy schoolwork.
And I feel like this is quiterelevant because.
At uni, I studied internationalrelations.
Talk to me please, about a dayin the life of an international.
International relations studentat don't tell me the name of the
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university.
Wait.
Um, State.
say the whole word.
Ah, that's such a hard word tosay for me, it's an easy one.
Apple.
yeah.
Appalachian.
Yeah.
I remember used to call up AllahPatchin.
Alec Patchin state AlecAppalachian state, Appalachian
state university.
And Hey.
Boom, boom.
North Carolina Boone, NorthCarolina, North Carolina, North
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Carolina, a day in the life.
I would wake up.
In my little room.
And I would look at my globe andsay, globe, I'm going to live
over there one day.
Across the ocean.
No, I'm kidding.
I'm joking.
I will cut to the scene.
Kelly Clarkson breakaway placespinning the globe.
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way.
To Germany.
whoa.
I wa was.
What did I do?
I had a major in global studies.
I had a focus in human rights.
I had minors in Spanish, anon-profit management.
This is all so random.
So I would go and write.
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Yeah.
It was just like what the, whatyou would like.
Study.
Okay.
Um, I would, I was just like alot of papers and a lot of like,
Thesises.
She say whatsoever.
Oh, shut up.
It was like a lot of just likelearning about the world and
cultures and religions of theworld and like human rights.
The world is crazy work.
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E you like RD.
Religious education.
All right.
That's what we used to call it.
No.
One of the world.
Which is like religiouseducation.
And that wall and that's what Ihad.
And then I decided to work in agallery.
So I could do my work cause Iwas a good student.
That was a really good student.
I was a really good sale.
I was so good.
I never lost a job.
I never got fired.
I only quit.
And that's the motto.
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Quit don't be fired.
Okay that's rude festival.
And second of all, get somecharacter, get some gum shed.
And shall I say.
What did you do in college?
My first year.
Moved to Liverpool.
And I was like, let me get afucking job, doing what I love
to do.
What.
Fucking party is.
So I did my first job at uni.
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My first job at uni.
Not even fucking joking.
First year of uni, me and myfriend, we would Me and my
friend was done out on boldstreet in Liverpool.
Near the square.
And we would hand out wristbandsfor the Monday night, I think it
was called like cheeky monkey.
You're insane.
It's called cheeky monkey.
Cheeky monkey.
Yeah.
No.
Wait, there was like a differentone on Mondays.
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I used to work for specifically.
There was another one.
That's not cheeky monkey.
No.
There was a club night calledcheeky monkey.
And then there was another oneon Monday nights.
Fuck me.
If I remember the name of thatfucking shithole.
But yeah, I used to like standoutside and I would get a pound
for every wristband I sold.
So it sell wristbands on thestreet.
I think people would pay twopounds.
And then, so you got half ofthat.
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I think so that's a good deal.
Yeah, I think so.
But then, they would go into theclub and buy more drinks.
I think.
feel like that's what the dealwas.
Who's the fuck.
Take attention.
My.
My memory's bad too.
We did really well.
And then it got too cold and Iwas like, fuck this to how long.
We would like to go a couple ofmonths, actually two months,
maybe.
Two two sounds good.
That's a good, that's a good runin your books.
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I think it was a quintet by thispoint, too.
So it was like, it wasdefinitely like November ish.
And then by the time it wasgetting to December, I was like,
So cold Liverpool is like bythe.
C and we're calling it the C.
Let's see.
Yeah.
The C.
What is the sea?
Irish.
I don't know it was Wendy's.
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Fuck right.
In a wind tunnel, in the winter.
It's just so cold it's so it'slike bone chilling.
Yeah, me being sit out on thestreets out on a Monday night, a
hundred out little Wristbands.
The cheeky monkey didn't soundvery appealing at the end of the
day, at the end of the night.
You're one of my least favoritepeople.
Yeah.
I'd be like.
Oh, no, it wasn't clunkymonkeys.
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My friend had Northern Irishaccent.
And I can imagine him sayingsomething.
Kinda it wasn't cheeky monkey.
I can't remember, but imagine itwas cheeky monkey.
She'd be like a phallus cheekymonkey tonight.
And I'd be like, Hey logs, you.
Oh, you're the ones trying toget the lads in.
Cheeky monkey tonight.
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Is this so bad to teach youanything?
Did you learn anything from thisjob?
I got to go there for freeafterwards.
Perfect.
This is why you did it.
And it's pretty good actually.
And also got me like it got melike well-known in like the I
dunno.
Are you planning or oh, They'relike weird.
Nightlife scene in Liverpool.
Yeah.
You knew the people.
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Yeah.
I think Monday nights it waslike cheeky monkey, Tuesday
night.
I think there were any othernights.
Tuesday nights is bumpa.
Bumper.
The club was called bumper.
I can't remember the name of theactual, what were the name of
the other parties?
I must know.
You've been to heebie-jeebies.
I haven't been toheebie-jeebies.
Yeah.
And that was okay.
This is a very like, I wasn't anolder, an older student bar was.
It's like more so like third.
Yes.
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I've been talking about this forso long, because this is truly
part of my job.
Deep dive into Liverpool.
Yeah, I know I do miss that.
It's so true.
I love that I would love that.
You have another job in uni?
That's a good question.
Dig deep.
Let me think.
Do you know, I only went myfirst year.
I only went in.
my attendance was 30.
Things like it was registered atthe FDA.
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My first year I was registered.
I was registered present at 30lectures seminars.
Thanks for the out the wholeyear.
How many total were there.
Oh, honey.
Like you had five classes a weekor something.
Hundreds.
I went to 30 in the air.
Oh, didn't you get a failed?
Yeah, I had to redo.
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I really want to do it to you.
You need just this one.
It's I love the social aspect ofit.
I went to an art school.
I went to Liverpool, John Mooresuniversity.
I studied interior design.
Okay.
I'm like, okay.
And I really didn't want to bethere.
So I was in forced to be there.
Yup.
And I really just enjoyed thesocial aspect of university.
So I like went to be social andmake friends.
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And didn't participate in any ofthe actual.
In any of the actual learning.
Because why else would you be atuniversity, but to learn.
Make friends and get socialskills.
It's a pie.
Parties.
Party.
I'm a party engine.
So basically.
Yeah, I um, got another job.
No.
Wait.
Let's talk about uni.
Ah, uni oh yeah.
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Uni.
Oh my God.
Yeah.
I have to have to redo a bunchof like assignments because I
didn't do them properly.
No shit.
Cause I didn't go.
And then I did, I was like, Ireally want to, I want to stay
at uni.
I had to write this likestatement being like, I really
do want to, I want to applymyself.
And then they accepted me.
Oh no.
I think my mum got I alreadymoved into my second year house.
And then my mum got a letter andshe like sent a picture of it to
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me.
And it was like, you have notmade it just like in jail.
And I was like, I already paidthe deposit from my house.
I fucking baby.
I like went into college.
I went into uni the next day.
I.
She went in and be like, I I gohere.
I go here and I do hear what.
Crazy.
I don't care what you say.
I go here.
This is crazy that you have togo in and be like, I dunk, how
can I have to have to be here?
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It's so funny.
We're so opposite.
Literally an honors student incollege.
Oh, my God.
Like I went to, I went intocollege in the honors college of
the university, like thesmartest little Smarties of the
smarts.
Okay.
Oh, it's somebody on theopposite.
We.
Like I was like a straight a, Idon't think I made less than an
a in college, but did you havefriends?
Um, There we go.
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There we go.
Some friends.
That's nice.
He summons.
Nice.
Some friends.
But have fun stories to tell.
I didn't go to parties.
I also went to Boone.
I was in Boone, North Carolina.
We didn't have parties.
All that side.
Life's not all about the pies,but when you're 17, Now 18, 19
yet.
It really is.
It really is 29 33.
You really ain't really is.
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Yeah.
Anyway, I So no more jobs inuniversity?
No.
No.
You had another one, another.
I applied.
All this time in my second year.
Oh, yes.
I remember that applied for theHollister of a second gen.
They're like like you have toshave.
And I was like, I'm not doing.
Let me tell you this to yourface.
I would look like.
child.
If I did that.
And so I said, not for me.
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It was like, I wouldn't changemyself for anyone.
But I didn't not you Hollister.
No.
And then at the same time theyhad the men standing outside.
Not in the UK.
They didn't.
I think maybe that was like aspecial occasion thing in the U
S.
Not like all the time, then Ihaven't been outside, outside
all the time.
Yeah, no very nice pictures ofmen and Simon, lovely pictures
of men.
It was really dark and really,and.
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Cool.
You walk in and you're like, ohmy God, it smells amazing.
And the clothes were trash.
True.
Oh, so true.
The big Eagle, no seagull, thebig seagull logo.
That's not what that thing was.
It was a seagull.
They were a seagull.
The rest of this guy.
They're like a California.
It's like a California brown.
This is a fucking seagull in thebubble too.
It's a fucking seagull epidemicand Liverpool fucking now that's
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what they chose.
Yeah, true.
The.
Of the sky.
We already picked the moose.
So what else are we going topick?
I don't know, like an EagleAmerican Eagle probably had that
in say.
You can't can you can't feel youcan't copyright a fucking bird?
Aeropostle.
What is an Arab hostile?
I don't actually know.
You're a weirdo and you'remaking this.
No, I'll show you after.
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And so you worked at a differentclothing shop?
No.
Yeah, I did.
I did actually.
Yeah, no.
Yeah.
I feel like there's somethingelse in between that missing.
But it escapes me.
At the beginning of my thirdyear, the year that I was
supposed to like really applymyself.
And like focused on mydissertation and Really focused
on my studies.
I got a job at a clothing store.
and I loved.
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It so much.
Because I'd all my uni friends,I had all my friends from like
parties had been to like,people's housemates, people's
other housemates.
You just like how you meetfriends in Liverpool.
And it was like, I haven'treally met anyone new in a
really long time.
It's not working here.
And I fucking loved it.
I was like, this is so fun.
So cool.
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Everyone's so vibey in thisplace.
Yeah.
So many friends who would go onlike nights after work.
It was so fun.
Yeah.
Yup.
I'd had the best time ever.
And then that's where I met,like so many of my close
friends.
I'm still friends with.
Somebody believes to work withthat.
Yeah.
And all of your jobs did reallyrevolve around.
So social.
I'm a Gemini, Gemini Libra.
Like obviously that I seek outsocial interactions is the only
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reason I want to know.
I wanted stability.
Because you done like your atuni and then you move and then
you moved to Germany.
Yeah.
And then I have two more.
I have.
I moved to Australia still.
Oh my God.
I have.
I'm in the bubble.
This is my final year of uni.
And then I moved to Manchesterfor six months before I moved to
Australia.
Okay, let me just quickly fuckit.
This is supposed to be the quickversion I work for a retail.
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Clothing store.
In Liverpool.
Graduate university loved it somuch.
Moved to mountain view back toManchester.
Graduated.
You actually got my degree.
I got congrats.
Graduate.
Graduate with honors.
Good job.
Whoa.
Honors.
Yeah.
You yeah.
Honors.
I wrote my thesis.
In a week you faked it.
I know that she like lied about,oh no, I don't give a fuck.
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You think my fucking revoke.
Exactly.
Oh, no, I like made up all myprimary research.
Like I'm like, no, one's goingto, no, one's going to fit.
No one is going to also like ifyou lost your degree, oh no, you
lost your interior to see.
Yeah.
It's in a frame.
So when my mum hasn't moved,since I like.
I think you've lost.
I don't know where the fuck thatdegree is.
It doesn't exist.
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And then I moved back toManchester to live with my mum.
What site?
Bef in between me graduating andmoving to Australia.
I already had my visa oneverything like lined up.
So I just want you to save.
Some money.
Moved to Manchester startedworking at the Manchester store.
Made so many new friends, stillfriends with so many of those
people now.
I love that store.
Became supervisor, so fun.
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Crazy.
I'll have to leave, I have toleave you guys.
And then worked, I've got to gomy own way.
Yeah.
And then left that job so funthough.
I loved it.
I moved to Melbourne and I waslike, I've got savings in my
bank account.
So I don't need to do a job.
This second, I want to travelfor a bit.
I traveled the great ocean roadand I was like, wait, this is
really expensive here.
Let me get my aspect ofMelbourne and get a job, not a
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guy on new year's Eve, who wasthe manager of a famous
restaurant at the time?
Was it famous?
I don't fucking know.
It was a meatball and wine bar.
Oh, my God.
It was so fun.
It was so fun too, because Ididn't really know anyone in
Australia.
I didn't know anyone inAustralia.
I didn't know anyone inMelbourne.
And then I started working atthis job.
They made me the assistantmanager.
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Cause I like really hyped upthat when I was a supervisor of
my.
Store right.
You fobbed your resume.
Everyone's fucked.
A resume I'm 22 years old.
And then I become assistantmanager of meatball and wine
bar.
Yeah.
And listen to me, I got tochoose the people who we hired.
So I made like, I like thecoolest people that would walk
in.
Hiring decisions.
People will come in and be likejust go out after work all the
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time.
It was so fun.
Cause like Monday nights,Tuesday, it was like industry
nights.
So you'd go to like, laser pegaround the corner, or that was
the first time I ever like,experienced like drag.
Yeah.
I was at 22 and I'd go out inMelbourne and just like, Work my
little shift and then go out.
I was so fond.
It was such a fun life.
Anyway.
Did that for a while and thenquit.
Cause I wanted to travel a bit.
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And then Hopped around some likebackpacker hustles, like
traveled a little bit.
And then in between those, Ilike found myself at the nomads
backpacking hostel, and then Ilike was doing work for
accommodation.
In between that time I was doingwolfing.
Which is whoa.
Work for accommodation working.
And Nope.
Where we'll think you.
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It is working out.
Yeah.
Or farming.
No, no, no, No.
It was like, it was like helpingpeople, helping, I don't know
what actually sounds.
I've never wolfed before Alexa.
Define wolfing.
What thing.
Uh, Way to work and travel whileI don't know why.
Yeah.
It was basically like work for acombination.
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Yeah.
So it was like doing that.
Yeah, I was doing that and itwas doing the Austin.
And then I moved to Sydney andthen I was doing the hot, the
hostile.
And then I was like my Visa'sup.
Got to go.
Skedaddled got to go get thefuck out of there.
And then we're about to go toGermany.
Wow.
That was a good lighteninground.
Thank you.
You're getting stuck in therefor a second.
I so hot.
You've had so many jobs.
I've had five and you've had a25 apparently.
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Yeah, I know Jesus.
There's still more to come.
Oh, my God.
I moved to Germany after collegebecause I had an internship.
Probably got an internship.
There's organization that I'veworked with in college.
If you want to know more aboutthat, Just go back to the, how
we met episode and you'll seethat.
I moved to Germany aftercollege.
I had an internship with D H Lfor a data analytics internship.
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That talked to me about the dayin the life of a day on list DHL
in Frankfurt.
Ah well, I would wake up and Iwas looking at my globe.
That was funny.
And then very sadly spin itaround.
And land on Frankfurt, Germany,because that's where I fucking
crazy though.
I said out of anywhere in theworld, I could land.
(35:01):
Like when you first moved to theweek.
You're like, wow, this is crazy.
I was like, yeah.
Cause it was like one of myfirst times, like living outside
of the country.
I was like, oh my God, Germany.
So cool.
I like living like that was likean a, I was like a.
Oh, it's like living in likeworking in like aiming to be
there for awhile.
I was like, yeah, that's cool.
It's like a, it's a city, so ithas like a skyline there's like
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buildings.
It's like skylights skyscrapers,which like most other European
cities don't have like bigactually.
Yes they do.
It's such a long.
They do.
Germans that he's dope.
So it was nice.
dana life I would wake up andthen I would get on the bus.
Early on 6:00 AM, 6 38 apple.
Shell to the airport.
Yes, I was getting there.
I was getting there.
We're going to the airportshuttle because my job was at
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the airport.
It was that the DHL cargo at theairport.
Frank Foote airport.
So I would go and got my littlebus, sadly.
I would pick up a little LOLsandwich on the way from the
grocery store.
Oh, my God.
Let's talk about the sandwichesin Germany.
The bricks.
Oh, they're bricks.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's mostly bread.
Oh my gosh.
Deli on the fucking hottestbread.
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I have had in your life, likethe I've had pre-prepared
sandwiches.
I do my breakfast.
It was like crazy.
10 pounds of bread.
Yeah.
Crazy.
It's true.
I was.
So I would go to the airport andthen I would sit down at my desk
and there'd be one German ladysat across from me and she was
my boss.
And that would be, it there'llbe some other people in the
office, but it would just be us.
I would go get a little coffeefrom the German coffee machine,
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get my filter, to ask coffee,put a little like milk in there
or something, put some sugar inthere.
And then I would do that 10 moretimes by the end of the morning.
Cause I was so bored.
Fucking job bitch.
I would just sat on next hour.
I don't know.
I lied.
And I said, I knew how to like,do XL functions.
I know how to sum something andadd something up.
And then they gave me reallyhard jobs and I was like, I
don't know what I'm doing.
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It's your fault for hiring me.
I lied, but.
Zero fall.
Wow.
So you do lie.
so that's when I started alsodoing the freelance writing and
copywriting and ghost writing tomake a few extra bucks.
Because I was making some moneyfrom this job, but I was like, I
don't really want to do thisanymore.
What was that website that youused to use?
Uh, Work.
Oh yeah.
Oh my God.
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It's where you would find likelittle jobs or they had a
copywriting job.
So I would like, actually, thisis when I started doing like
ghost articles.
So do you.
There's articles where you goonline.
You're like, what do I do inThailand?
Literally.
No, we're going to Thailand.
Okay.
We're going to Thailand.
I feel like actually, when thisepisode comes out, we're going
to be in Thailand.
Yeah.
When you.
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We're doing that when we met inBerlin.
Like you asked me, you sent thatto me because I'd been to
Thailand already.
Yeah.
You sent that over to me to readover to make sure it was like
actually P things people woulddo, as I was saying, I would
have right.
These like listicle articles.
So it's seven top things to doin Thailand, or seven things eat
in Thailand or what to do inThailand or anything else
besides Thailand.
I could just think of that rightnow.
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One was like a nursing homewebsite and it was like what to
do with your granny withdementia.
I was writing like eight thingsto do to help your grandma.
That's crazy.
But this is my win.
Yeah, those things like peoplelike ma are writing.
Or AI now, honestly.
But back then it was me.
Back in my day, I was slavingover this little laptop.
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No.
Wait, what, how, okay.
One of my like good friends fromhigh school, her now
ex-boyfriend.
I remember this.
Hired you.
I think we found this out likeyears later.
I know it was crazy.
We found this out years later,that when you were living in
Germany, one of my friends.
Like my friend's boyfriend atthe time.
Yeah.
Hide, use.
Do some more of this ghostwriting opportunity.
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Hi.
Yeah.
The opportunity.
It was a nursing home.
One.
This is why.
Oh my God.
Really.
That's crazy.
That's crazy.
Oh, my God.
And she told me she was like, Ijust realized.
It was crazy.
He just told me, so that's whatI was doing.
And that's when I started doingthat during my job at the
airport, I would sit at my deskand pretend to be doing Excel
sheet things, but I was reallyjust like doing my other job.
(38:53):
And we want one degree ofassociation away and we didn't
even know.
I know that's crazy.
I know it's crazy.
And then we.
Yeah.
And then I quit that internshipsix months in, and then I moved
to Berlin to continue toincrease writing and copywriting
and like starting my Instagramjourney.
And that's where like theInstagram shit happened.
Happened.
That's when I started doingInstagram and like, That whole
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influencer shenanigans.
How fast did you get like yourInstagram following up?
It was from like when I moved toGermany and then I met you.
I was like a 20,000, 30,000 onInstagram.
And then I think by the time Igot to Canada, no, I want to
know, like, how did you get upto 10 K?
Like when you were on Instagram?
It was like Instagram was reallyeasy to grow on the back of the
day.
Like you would just postsomething and you get thousands
(39:37):
of followers.
Oh, if you were good at it.
And I started doing likefashion, lifestyle travel and
all of that, and people werelike, oh my God, I'm really
interested in what you're doing.
I was like, I don't know.
It's just like travel diaries.
Basically, and then my life, andthen my fashion, which was top
man.
a sauce.
And that's it.
Oh.
It's at the top of my brain is.
It's at the top of my brain.
What's the one, the German onecalled.
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The orange is like an orangelogo.
Everyone used to work for themor like they just do all the
ads.
There's an office in Berlin.
I don't know.
I was a land.
This little land.
crazy work.
A crazy work.
Wow.
That really took me back.
That's crazy.
And that was the start of myinfluencer journey.
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And then you had a different jobin Berlin before you started,
you had too many, you have.
Like 10 other jobs.
I can quickly do this one.
Cause this one's boring as fuck.
When I moved to Berlin.
When I moved to Berlin,actually, no, after.
After I left Australia, I washome for like half of a second.
And then I did like a temp job.
Like I did temp office job.
And I was like, Nope, this ishorrible.
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And I went, I was at the job,like looking for flights to move
to Germany.
And then I was gone within acouple of weeks.
Nice.
And then.
was working at a hostel, thehostel that I liked first
arrived in.
I was like cleaning.
At the hostel.
And it was fucking horrible.
Actually, the guy never paid meup.
I know child labor is a piece ofshit.
I was trying to no way I was 20.
No, I'm 24 now.
(40:58):
Oh my God.
I'm 24 old child.
They have 24 now.
Fucking hell crazy.
Oh yeah.
I got a job when I was likelooking for an English speaking
role in Berlin.
I landed upon.
This customer.
Facing customer service, likerole, which sounded so fun.
Cause it was like for a fashioncompany, not that book.
And Mr.
Porter.
Now take me through the life ofa customer service, right.
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I would wake up in the morning.
I would take the train totheater.
It's plats.
And I'd walk to my building.
I'd stand outside and cry, smokea cigarette, then go upstairs.
And then I would sit at my deskfor 20 minutes.
I'd go down and says, I haveanother cigarette.
I sat at my desk for another 20minutes.
Go for coffee, eat some food.
God says and have anothercigarette.
(41:40):
And then we'll go back upstairs.
Our job.
I literally didn't spend morethan 20 minutes at my desk at
one time.
How about that for a year and ahalf.
This sounds eerily similar toyour first year in university.
Shut the fuck up.
Anyway, I was there for thefriends.
I made so many great.
So many lifelong friends, likeso many people from the office.
I like so near and dear to myheart.
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And love them to death.
We just we're on this, like onebig, long English, like row of
people.
It was the most.
Like mundane.
Jay.
I imagine it there's thismundane like German office
cubicle bullshit situation.
manager.
The boss man manager was thisItalian guy who was just like a
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big baby.
he was like, not.
Cognizant of anything at all ah,And I'm like, nothing is getting
done here.
there was a time where I waslike trying to, I want it to
streamline some things or likethis thing is going wrong or
something's annoying me.
And there's no way to fixsomething and he'd be like, ah,
bro.
Barbara.
I don't like, wow great.
You don't give a shit about thisplace, so I don't give a shit
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about this place.
Yeah.
And then.
Left that.
We started doing photographylike.
How fun.
Yeah.
As a hobby.
Yeah.
Cause I really loved, like I didlove the arts, like growing up,
I loved the arts.
I just never knew which.
Interior design.
Apparently it was.
I suppose to go to uni, it wasthe easiest thing to do, and
then some of my friends that wason that course with our like,
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designing.
Like full hotels andrestaurants.
And I don't like.
I got podcasts.
I have a podcast that they'reprobably listening to.
Once they do that sketchy.
Exactly.
Yeah, I'm proud of you.
You should be proud of me too.
I applied myself.
And then yeah, I was fuckingover that bullshit.
(43:29):
This is when we had alreadydecided to leave the country.
packed up my bags, moved to, uh,moved to Toronto.
And then I got a job at.
A hotel.
I was a host and a barista.
For six months.
And oh, my fucking Christ that Iwork every like pretty much
every you did, you were gone allthe time.
I was gone all the time.
(43:51):
isn't that the isn't that thelife lesson it is truly like.
Working money.
Yes.
But like also the social aspect.
I'm going to job was like themost fun thing.
There's two good things about.
I said that at the beginning,but then I want it to get that.
the social aspects of working aslike truly the main thing that
kept me.
Going right in all of these.
Random rigid job roles that Ihad.
(44:13):
Yeah.
I worked in hospitality againfor six months and then worked
in retail for two weeks.
You've done so much.
I was at north.
They were like, you can be.
What was I going to do?
Drag them?
You were going to be a fuckingsales.
Um, A stylist.
Yeah, it was what it was goingto be working as a stylist.
I was going to eventually be astylist.
I think they wanted me to havelike floor experience.
And I like did my interview withthe stylist and like I was going
(44:34):
to be on the stylist team.
And that was a hired you as astylist.
And then they put you in salesassociate was.
On the men's sportsweardepartment.
And I was like, Nope, I'm notdoing this for five.
And I like didn't come back.
I just didn't go back.
It's a theme actually.
And then we threw balls to thewalls.
I was like, let me just do mylife the way I want to do my
life.
And I started like reaching outto people and like the contacts
(44:56):
that I dealt already, I was likejust emailing and fucking.
A billion people to dophotography.
Full-time.
Because I was doing this bookwith Matt and I would go to her
like his campaign shoots andhelp him with everything.
Or it was like doing everything.
10% of every campaign.
Actually at the time you did,you were businessmen.
I was a business woman.
It was like, if I am going to belike doing my job, like I'm
(45:17):
going to be working like nine,10 hours a day.
This hotel.
Yeah.
Then come and help you shoot acampaign that you need to Adam,
I'm getting paid for it.
Do you also remember you made meput like the little camera emoji
and your name you're using.
On every single post that I did.
But that was cute.
Cute.
I want to grow my, I want togrow my photography.
(45:37):
And this will help me reachpeople and people will see like
shit.
Great content for you.
Yeah, and it did.
And people hired me to do likephotography work and I did that
for.
About a year and I was growingmy own Instagram and them.
Eventually fucking loves thatPawlenty fucking.
And then I got signed with youragency that you were already
with, correct?
Like the whole year.
Correct.
And then I started doing reallywell.
Yeah.
(45:57):
And then.
It depends on what happened.
And then I was on EDI.
For COVID.
Yeah.
But then we were starting yourTik TOK.
That's when we started.
I take time.
Yeah.
and little did we know.
That things would sky rocket.
And now here we are talking toyou.
That was exhausting.
I'm tired.
I thought this was like a fulleight hour shift.
(46:19):
So this is going to be easybecause I didn't think about how
many jobs you had.
You've lived 10 lives.
I know I've missed out a couple.
I'm sure.
I'm sure you have.
We're not going to go back.
That's close.
Chapter is closed.
Yeah.
Yeah, fuck.
That was wild now.
Everything about.
Cool.
I like fully, I have like trulythrowing myself under the bus.
(46:40):
For so many things there.
With the legal system in theUnited Kingdom.
For credit card fraud orwhatever that.
Okay.
Or whatever, you know, fraud.
Lying on your resume.
Lying.
Dirty liar.
I have a lot more incriminatingthings that I'm not going to
say.
Do we have time for a dinnertable game?
Yeah, I've got time for it.
That's able game.
I don't have one though.
(47:02):
Let's play, spin the bottle.
It's me and you.
Exactly.
Freak.
Fuck marry.
Kill.
Okay.
DHL.
American Eagle.
What was your other one?
You can even think of any of thejobs that is out here.
Art galleries.
Gallery watcher.
(47:25):
Going to.
As the job to do, or as the fuckmarry, kill.
Just generally, whatever youwant to do with that.
I'm going to marry.
DHL.
Oh, cause they're steady.
And the employment is good.
And it was like the most likecareer oriented thing that I've
ever done.
I know what you gonna say next?
I'm going to a.
(47:46):
I'll fuck American Eagle.
Yeah, exactly.
American hero for sure.
Like the art room watcher.
No, I would kill my art room.
Watch her job.
The watcher.
I'm the watcher.
I was the watcher.
So sad.
No totally.
Okay.
That was pretty easy.
Fuck marry, kill.
And I have to think about everysingle one of your jobs that
you've ever done.
(48:07):
Fuck marry, kill.
Meatball and wine bar.
Supervisor.
I was actually used as amanager.
I was.
My official title is to IC.
Alright.
Okay.
Assistant manager of meatballand Walmart.
And Melbourne Australia.
Random pizza flyer.
And.
What else did you do?
What else did you, oh my God.
(48:28):
And Net-a-Porter in Berlin andcustomer service.
We didn't say cheeky monkey whatthat was with the pizza flyer.
That's nothing to do with thepizza fly.
It was similar vibes, giving outthings, getting people to do
things.
I'm going to kill the Berlinjob, obviously.
The most mundane thing I everdid in my whole entire life.
I would marry the meatball andwine bar because I didn't say
(48:49):
before that I, that was thefirst job I ever got paid.
Like that much money at that.
I was on like Melvin's fucking.
Wages was so high.
I was paid like$24 an hour.
That's crazy.
AUD.
AUD, which is the same as CAD.
So that helps you referencethat.
As well as by couple, no oneelse with.
(49:10):
But I was 22.
I didn't got paid that muchmoney, like$24 an hour.
And that was crazy at the time.
and I guess I'm just going tohave to fuck the.
pizza fly a person.
As we clock off today's shift.
Please.
Don't forget to rate us whereveryou listen to podcasts.
Five stars only.
followers on Tik TOK, Instagram,and YouTube.
And we'll see you next time.
At the dinner table.
(49:31):
Now get out.
Hello.
(00:00):
Hello.
Hello, and welcome back to yetanother episode where we sit
around our dining table and talkto you about.
What if we want to talk to youabout, and you just have to
listen.
For as long as you please.
Hopefully that's the entirety ofthe show.
We'd love for you to stickaround.
Tell us your opinions.
Share with us talking to yourphone as if we're right there
(00:20):
with you, your woes and yourtroubles, your.
Hose in your troubles.
I.
I have also been forced to dressup an office attire for this
episode.
I was just thinking off as a tiefor this episode, because we are
going to be discussing my veryactually no, my least favorite
topic on the face of the planet.
Work.
employment.
(00:41):
Ah, money-making.
Moneymaking.
It's got some pros.
Some pros, mostly cons mostlythere's only one pro money.
And all of the rest of the consthat so true.
Let's see, like what you do, ifyou like what you do, you'll
never work a day in your life.
It seems.
Nobody wants to work these days.
Imagine if Kim Kardashian wasthis Casa.
Try it.
Seems like no one wants to workthese days.
(01:03):
Get it off.
Somewhere.
That was good.
Thanks.
So nice.
Nice.
let's dig into our career paths.
You're like, we start thepodcast and you say let's dive
in.
And I'm like, we have a catchphrase.
Like we have a title of thepodcast and it is to dig in as
if we're eating, but we're alsodigging into a topic and you
just miss it every time.
Why are you colors on yourshirt?
(01:24):
So big?
I don't know.
What is the show?
I don't go to work.
I don't go to work.
Nice callers.
Humongous.
I don't have nice shirts.
I don't go to work.
Oh, my God.
I dressed.
In my pajamas and.
No.
have you seen that?
The great Gatsby, the movie?
No, you've never seen no, notthe recent one that the Bri make
with.
Um, It's not even recent.
(01:47):
Just covering it.
Now we studied English inEnglish, lit in college.
We studied the great Gatsby.
They made us watch like theseventies or the sixties movie
version of the book.
Sure.
And Daisy, she likes, seesGatsby's shuts for the first
time.
So the nicest shuts I've everseen, which is like caressing
them.
That just reminded me of that.
(02:08):
Anyway work.
Let's dig in.
Let's dig in.
We need to have an intro, cuteand show do Lilly.
Should we do.
If you're like, yeah.
If you can comment somewhere,comment down below.
I should teach you where peoplecan comment.
I don't know why to beeverywhere.
Okay.
You can come in everywhere.
Well, Actually this quiterelates to work.
(02:29):
Cause this is our job right now.
This.
Right now, this is our job.
It is.
So I'm asking you as the cocustomer.
I guess you could be thecustomer, I guess you could be
like the customer listener.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The service provider or we'rethe bosses.
They are the customer.
Right now the producer and thelistener.
Customer.
Yeah, they are consuming what weare producing creative in the
(02:50):
consumer.
They're consuming what we areproducing.
Then my question to you is, doyou think we should have a
little.
Jingle a June.
I think we should have a jingle.
We'll find a jingle somewhere.
Who could do it.
I'm not going to do it.
I can sing it.
The police dog duty.
(03:12):
He plays the cello.
I don't know anyone else placed.
It's an instrument as it'd belike, did he did it?
Let's dig in with a map.
The holiday, why Jack Blackmakes um, Make songs for mix
makes the tune.
Exactly.
Iris and what's his face.
Yep.
(03:32):
okay.
Let's get back on topic.
Fuck.
Okay.
Work.
This is how I feel about work.
I don't like to talk about it.
I don't like to do.
Well, We made a whole episodeout of it.
So let's talk about where ourhumble beginnings were.
Humble beginnings.
What was your first job?
Humble.
Mumble.
It's as humble as if I can come.
A year.
Was.
(03:53):
I was 15.
So when I was 16, I finishedhigh school.
That means I was, it was 2000the year.
It was 2007.
Perfect.
I'm gonna go to you.
It was actually 2007, rightbefore the financial crisis.
For who.
Everyone.
I wasn't.
Yeah.
Pretty bad.
Well That, yeah.
Oh, that was pretty big.
I thought it was just like, no.
It was a global recession.
(04:15):
I don't know, I wasn't verytuned into politics.
I was 15, I was 15 and I wasbusted my ass at the restaurant.
The restaurant.
When you're 15.
Huh?
Do I know this story?
Yes.
As a first job.
Try not.
Could you shut up and let me seeyou.
So it's the first job you askedme how I got there.
I'm telling you.
When you're in year.
(04:35):
10.
Yeah.
It's and when you're in year 10at school, you have to do work
experience, right?
So you.
There's a bunch of differentplaces that like, Half the work
experience programs, people cango into whatever career path
they want to do.
Like people can work in like asalon or like if they want to
work at a salon, like whenthey're older, I was like as
your one choices along.
No, you can not work in likedifferent places.
you know, the lads, they workedin like a construction field, or
(04:58):
like, I don't know.
Some fucking weird ass jobs.
at the time, I was like, I thinkI want to be a chef.
Um, This is, I like have changedmy career trajectory a billion
times before I turned 18.
So bear with me.
I want it to be a chef.
So was that, let me go and workin a restaurant.
The original thing was supposedto be a two week work
experience.
Two weeks.
That's it.
Two week.
Work experience.
(05:18):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like you go and like you work.
I think we got offs.
I can't remember.
I think we got off school.
I was 15.
Oh, wow.
You got off school and you'd goto work every day.
The screams child labor?
No, it was fully child labor.
Do you.
How much I paid, how much?
Three pound.
What's the minimum wage crazy atthe time, I think below 15, it
was like three pound, 50 anhour.
That's crazy.
Isn't it?
As a 15 year old, is that evenlegal?
(05:40):
It was then.
Yeah.
Because it was work experience.
You could work.
Busing tables.
No, it was in the back.
It was all local.
I don't know, be stro.
Oh.
I'd call that'd be stroke.
You're dressed like a, like youwould be as like a server for
Yeah.
Okay.
I, yeah, it was just likechopping vegetables in the back.
That's it?
Two weeks I chopped vegetablesand I was like, I like it here.
(06:01):
And they were like, you're agreat worker.
And I was like, they were like,you've got a face to face for
the front.
And I was like, no shit.
So not what you wanted to do.
You were trying to be a chef.
Yeah.
And they were like, and theywere like, no, you look pretty.
So be a waiter.
Yeah, I worked for like, I thinksix months at that restaurant.
And then I got fired.
Oh, why?
Because I called in sick.
When I wasn't sick, How long didyou have a job total?
(06:21):
Six months.
Oh, that's longer than Ithought.
Rude.
You said you were there for twoweeks chopping vegetables.
And I was like two weeks, sevenvegetables because of the work
experience.
That was part of the schoolprogram.
And then you started.
The name of the program atschool.
At school.
They made you do.
And then yeah, I got the job.
(06:42):
So your first job was inrestauranteuring.
And my first job was in customerservice.
As a sales associate at ye oldAmerican Eagle Outfitters.
First job.
Yeah.
That was your first job.
Yeah in high school.
This emphasis is going to beshort because you didn't do
much.
I've had.
Three jobs.
Oh my God.
Including this crazy.
(07:02):
I feel like seven.
No.
So I no, I started working onAmerican Eagle.
I had to, I actually, it waslike sophomore year of high
school.
16.
Okay.
16.
I had two interviews at twoplaces.
It was Bojangles'.
Or American Eagle.
And you chose American Eagle.
I was going to work atBojangles.
(07:24):
Oh, you'd be like way more obesethan you already were.
Yeah, exactly.
We've seen the pictures.
Whoa.
I shopped in the Husky sectionof Kohl's.
Yes, I was a little chubby.
So no, I didn't want to do that.
I also, they wouldn't let me offduring like football games.
Cause I had to go sing with mychoir for the national Anthem at
football games.
They wouldn't let me offer that.
So they were like, you're gonnahave to work to that.
And I was like, no, I want to beclear gay.
(07:45):
I want to be in court.
You're one of them queer.
Yeah.
He was like, no.
Actually I think I I gotaccepted to it, but I also
interviewed with American Eagleat the time.
And I was like, I want to be.
We're going an American Eaglebecause they have cool clothes.
When you were in high school andsomeone works in retail.
Oh, my fucking God.
That's so cool.
It was good that worked at topshop.
And I was like, you are thecontests person on the planet.
(08:07):
On American Eagle.
Oh, a hundred percent.
American Eagle is.
Cool at the time, it was likethe mid ground between.
Aeropostle and huh.
Arab hostile.
What?
Aeropostle no Arab hostile.
No.
Arab hostile.
We're not saying it wrong.
Arab hostile.
Yeah.
Is it air fossil era.
It's a clothing brown erahostile.
(08:30):
It was like the lower tier oflike the Hollister and the
Abercrombie stores, Arabhostile.
Not make it over there.
So you were signing.
Abercrombie and Hollister wherethe higher end.
No.
What the fuck are you goingabout?
Abercrombie and Hollister with ahigher end.
American Eagle was the midrange.
Okay.
And then air Postel.
(08:50):
No.
It's a thing.
It sounds like a place you'd getlike value bins.
Kinda.
Wow.
It sounds so fun.
So I worked in the mid tierbecause I just, I think I, oh,
no, I tried to get a job atHollister.
I wasn't hot enough.
No.
Oh my God.
I once interviewed, I got, I gotaccepted to Allister.
Thing that they.
(09:11):
Tracy to shave your face.
And it was like, Nope.
So you're racist.
I'm not going to do that.
Save your face.
I'm not going to do that.
No.
American Eagle took everyonevery inclusive at the time.
Wow.
Yeah.
Including you big back bitch.
(09:31):
Okay.
That's fun.
Yeah.
And I was a really goodsalesperson.
I actually was the I'm lookingback on it, not so proud of this
moment, but I was like thehighest credit card salesman.
Of the American Eagle staff inHickory, North Carolina.
So you're the devil.
So I'm the devil.
Yes.
So I got so many people incredit card debt.
Yeah.
Like I the percentage rate waslike, oh, it's 25, 30% or
(09:52):
something.
and then it's crazy.
I'd be like.
So do you want 10% off of yourorder today?
If you sign up for an AmericanNaval credit card, you get so
many points, you get so manydone.
But I don't know.
And I was like, you're in creditcard debt now.
It happened to me.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, I remember it was thattop shop when I was 18.
someone was you can get creditcard to get this.
Purchased 10% off.
And it was like, The height isof me.
(10:15):
Oh, my God.
Wait.
Wait, what's the cat.
And then they like charge me andthey didn't have to pay that.
And everything cause they put iton the credit card.
And it was like, I didn't knowwhat was going on.
So it was like, That was free.
That's crazy.
It's just gone and I haveclothes.
The money is gone the closer inmy hand.
I'm like, oh, like I also, I'm18.
(10:35):
I'm like, I want like newclothes for every night out.
I was in such bad credit carddebt.
And then they went tocollections crazy.
So these are like, thesecollections were like, come to
my house.
And then my mum moved.
And so did I, so I don't knowwhy that.
I don't know, happened to that.
If you're listing.
Credit card people.
(10:55):
No, you're not, I don't know ifyour debtor is listening to this
podcast.
Isn't it crazy though.
Yeah, that's good.
Oh, so I feel like the statuteof limitations.
This is expired on such a thing.
I don't know if that applies tothese situations.
What is it collection go.
If you've not been.
I don't like to think of, Idon't live in that country
anymore.
Fuck off.
And I don't like to think aboutthings like that.
So that's your problem.
(11:16):
Yeah, I was really good at myjob.
I was a great sales employee.
How long were you that full?
All through high school.
So three years from sophomoreyear, probably.
And then I worked some incollege, so I think five years
total.
I would come back.
I stood at 16 sophomore year 16.
18 is when senior year when yougraduate.
High school.
And then I would come downsometimes to work.
Cause my school was close towhere it was like an hour away.
(11:38):
So I'd still come down and worksometimes on like buck Fridays,
because you get double, you payan overtime.
That was so good.
I was, I went to a black Friday.
I was there at midnight.
Until 7:00 AM.
Actually, I worked a little morethan eight hours.
And some days, and I was likeyeah, I'm here for 12 hours to
do audits.
Yeah.
I think you come in at 5:00 AMinventory.
Yeah.
(11:59):
Everything.
Yeah.
The most.
truly the most mundane activityhuman beings could possibly ever
imagine to do you just stand andscan thousands of items
throughout the day?
Yeah.
What the fuck?
I learned a lot in that job.
I learned to talk to people.
I learned.
To sell.
Wow.
But it's cards.
I learned teamwork.
Do you know what, everythingthat you learned at American
Eagle, you're applying in yourcurrent life right now?
(12:20):
Really?
Yeah.
You talk to people through yourphone.
On the microphone.
You sell.
Via Partnerships.
Affiliate links.
If you need immediately is.
And what the hell was the otherthing?
Team work.
I'm working with.
You're working with me.
Nice.
(12:42):
Nice job.
And that was my first job.
And how do you even finish that?
2020 C between 20.
My 15 and 20, I had 50 billionjobs.
Let me them fire around them andfire them.
Because I only stop at asignificant one.
It was a significant story totell me all of your, have any
questions in between.
(13:02):
Please let me know.
Whilst I'm going.
Don't ask me afterwards becausethen I'll lose my train of
thought.
Throw them at me.
Okay.
I got fired from the restaurantwhen I was 15 going on 16.
Cause I really wanted to go out.
I think it was my birthday.
It was close to anyway, I'dsaved up quite a little bit of
money.
And then I got really drunk onmy 16th birthday and I lost a
bunch of cash.
Hello carrying around and it wascrazy.
(13:23):
And I was like, maybe I need ajob again.
Cause I was like, you know what?
I'm 16 now I'm young.
I'm free.
And then I want to be likecrazy.
And turns out was a bit toocrazy.
I lost a bunch of cash.
I went out.
I went out for that day.
Yeah.
When I was 16, I got wasted.
And then I.
Had cash in my bag.
And I'm sure one of the friendswanted someone that was with.
I was at like a house pie andsomeone that I was I'm sure,
(13:44):
went in my bag and stolen.
Yeah.
Like one of your friends.
Like one of your friends.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Do you know?
No.
Do you know for sure.
No.
Yeah, I know.
I know.
I know that one of them did it.
Oh, because well, who else wouldhave taken it?
Who else would have taken it?
Hey, fuck.
I love to diverged from the mainthing.
Then it was like, maybe I needsome money.
So then me and my friend, me andmy friend, Rachel, we signed up
(14:06):
to do.
Like flyer delivery.
At this pizza place Oh, actuallyall of these jobs I had with all
on one road.
a few doors down with this it'slike pizza place.
We literally went around these,this entire street and we were
just like hunting out.
OCBs.
And then I was like, please hireus.
We're so poor.
And it went money to.
I want money to buy alcohol.
Literally the only thing Iwanted money for.
What else do you need money for?
When you're 16 cigarettes.
(14:28):
That's all I needed money for.
What am I saying?
I had my first drink at 18.
All loser.
Handing out flyers at a pizzashop.
To get fucking cigarettes.
Prior E's may menthols.
Of course menthols.
Hello.
Fuck.
Oh, my God.
Ah, What do you think?
I am barbaric.
(14:50):
So I was handing out theseflyers.
It was really cold and I waslike, this is so boring.
We lasted a day.
He was like, apparently the guythat threw the piece of place
was driving around watching eyesand we would shove them in
people's bins.
Throwing them down the gut.
Uh, Like into like, Gutter.
Into the water system.
He didn't even recycle them.
No, I was fucking 16.
(15:11):
I didn't give a shit about that.
And so he saw that.
So we saw that and we went overto money and he was like I'm not
paying you because you didn't doany of it.
There was no flies at any of thehouses that we asked you to put
flyers out.
And so it was like you only hadto put them.
You'd have to give them toanyone.
Did you have to give them to.
You just had to push them aroundand just put them through
people's letterboxes and youcould've gotten money for your
(15:32):
cigarettes and you just decidednot to.
I when we were stopped.
I know, but then we got firedfor that.
So it didn't make it the day.
Again, I'm 16 and I was reallyTom did I have another job after
that?
I don't think I.
Oh, no.
The store.
How did you know that?
Because I know how did you.
I know your histories and thenfurther up the same street.
(15:56):
I've seen this.
At the same road.
I worked at the co-op like, It'slike a convenience store,
grocery store kind of thing.
And I worked there for quite abit and I made some good friends
and I kind liked that job.
It was fine.
It was very like chill.
But I finished high school bythis point and I was at sixth
form college.
Which is still your like highschool.
Yes.
I was 17, 16, 17.
Yeah.
And yeah, I was working at thislittle grocery store,
(16:18):
convenience store place and Iloved it.
I was so fun.
And then one day, this manwalked in.
It was just like a Monday nightand he was like so friendly and
he was like asking me to do allthese weird transactions that I
couldn't quite understand whatwas going on.
And there was a line forming andI was like yeah, let me quickly
put these transactions through.
He was like paying for thingswith like a.
Who's trying to top up his likegas and electric cards that you
(16:39):
could do, you know?
yeah.
And then he was like using likea credit card.
We had the credit card numberwritten down, but I bear in
mind.
I'm 16.
My frontal cortex has not.
It's not even there.
Even man, clearly you've allheard the bus story.
It's not that.
So I was like, Let me enterthese numbers that you gave him,
got a scrap piece of paper tomake this transaction go
(17:00):
through.
And he paid, he was like payingfor.
His gas and electric cards,which I thought were, got some
electric.
And they ended up being GamblingGod's thoughts, what they were.
I was at gambling.
He was like topping up hisgambling cards.
And I was like, that was weird.
Anyway.
Next, please.
And the next day my managercalled me and they were like,
you have to come into workbecause the police are here.
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I have to go to school.
I have to go to school now.
Now.
Sorry.
And then anyway, when I went in,they were like, no, the full
police investigation.
And they were like, you lookreally chummy with this guy.
So do you know him?
And I was like, no, I'm justreally from ma'am.
Promise.
I don't know who he was.
I'm so sorry.
I didn't know what was going on.
And it was like really busy andI didn't know what to do.
(17:44):
And then they were like, youshould've called us if you
needed help a lot.
And I was like, I'm 16.
You left me like to man.
The tale was about the tills bymyself.
Also child labor.
I know literally, so you can sayall of these.
All of these instances were notmy fault.
Yeah.
Let's just say I got fired.
I was actually quite solidbecause I liked that job.
They fired you.
It was really fun.
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then what I, then it didn'twork.
Did I work again until I went touni.
I didn't build my, like my bestfriend in college.
She like was working as a shopgirl.
Like a Jew who is XL jelloshots.
At the club.
And I'm going to support.
uh, worked in we'd like doshallow shots.
Why didn't you get that jobs?
Uh, Good support.
It sounds like a great job.
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Missing parts of my memory fromthat point in my life, because
it was very chaotic.
It was, this was like 17, 18,and I was like really going it.
Wasn't going to the clubs forthe first time.
And so while you were workingsimply for cigarettes and
alcohol, bla.
Oh my God.
Yeah.
Did I have a job when I worked.
When I went to the othercollege.
I can't say.
You know what.
(18:45):
I can't say if I did or not.
And then I moved to university.
And then the job's got weird.
Oh, I only have one job inuniversity.
What was it?
I find her so boring.
I worked for American Eagle for10, 10 years.
Boston.
That company model.
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I'm tired of this grandpa.
That's today.
I worked for American Eagle forfive years.
And then I was like, let me finda job at my university.
So I don't have to go homesometimes and work for.
The corporation.
So I found a job as a you know,like the, every university will
have an, like a art.
Art museum.
Like a gallery.
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Or they were like show likestudents work.
Okay.
Did you have one of those?
I went to an art school, thewhole building was in.
Well, We had one thing was likean art gallery and I was like
the person who like sat thereand like minded the arch.
What the fuck?
While people like walked aroundand I would shadow them and make
sure they didn't touch the yard.
It's like an old man jaw.
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But I could, I just, literally,most of the time, no one came at
him.
So I just sat there duringlecture.
Obviously.
So I sat there, like working onmy schoolwork.
And I feel like this is quiterelevant because.
At uni, I studied internationalrelations.
Talk to me please, about a dayin the life of an international.
International relations studentat don't tell me the name of the
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university.
Wait.
Um, State.
say the whole word.
Ah, that's such a hard word tosay for me, it's an easy one.
Apple.
yeah.
Appalachian.
Yeah.
I remember used to call up AllahPatchin.
Alec Patchin state AlecAppalachian state, Appalachian
state university.
And Hey.
Boom, boom.
North Carolina Boone, NorthCarolina, North Carolina, North
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Carolina, a day in the life.
I would wake up.
In my little room.
And I would look at my globe andsay, globe, I'm going to live
over there one day.
Across the ocean.
No, I'm kidding.
I'm joking.
I will cut to the scene.
Kelly Clarkson breakaway placespinning the globe.
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way.
To Germany.
whoa.
I wa was.
What did I do?
I had a major in global studies.
I had a focus in human rights.
I had minors in Spanish, anon-profit management.
This is all so random.
So I would go and write.
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Yeah.
It was just like what the, whatyou would like.
Study.
Okay.
Um, I would, I was just like alot of papers and a lot of like,
Thesises.
She say whatsoever.
Oh, shut up.
It was like a lot of just likelearning about the world and
cultures and religions of theworld and like human rights.
The world is crazy work.
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E you like RD.
Religious education.
All right.
That's what we used to call it.
No.
One of the world.
Which is like religiouseducation.
And that wall and that's what Ihad.
And then I decided to work in agallery.
So I could do my work cause Iwas a good student.
That was a really good student.
I was a really good sale.
I was so good.
I never lost a job.
I never got fired.
I only quit.
And that's the motto.
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Quit don't be fired.
Okay that's rude festival.
And second of all, get somecharacter, get some gum shed.
And shall I say.
What did you do in college?
My first year.
Moved to Liverpool.
And I was like, let me get afucking job, doing what I love
to do.
What.
Fucking party is.
So I did my first job at uni.
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My first job at uni.
Not even fucking joking.
First year of uni, me and myfriend, we would Me and my
friend was done out on boldstreet in Liverpool.
Near the square.
And we would hand out wristbandsfor the Monday night, I think it
was called like cheeky monkey.
You're insane.
It's called cheeky monkey.
Cheeky monkey.
Yeah.
No.
Wait, there was like a differentone on Mondays.
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I used to work for specifically.
There was another one.
That's not cheeky monkey.
No.
There was a club night calledcheeky monkey.
And then there was another oneon Monday nights.
Fuck me.
If I remember the name of thatfucking shithole.
But yeah, I used to like standoutside and I would get a pound
for every wristband I sold.
So it sell wristbands on thestreet.
I think people would pay twopounds.
And then, so you got half ofthat.
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I think so that's a good deal.
Yeah, I think so.
But then, they would go into theclub and buy more drinks.
I think.
feel like that's what the dealwas.
Who's the fuck.
Take attention.
My.
My memory's bad too.
We did really well.
And then it got too cold and Iwas like, fuck this to how long.
We would like to go a couple ofmonths, actually two months,
maybe.
Two two sounds good.
That's a good, that's a good runin your books.
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I think it was a quintet by thispoint, too.
So it was like, it wasdefinitely like November ish.
And then by the time it wasgetting to December, I was like,
So cold Liverpool is like bythe.
C and we're calling it the C.
Let's see.
Yeah.
The C.
What is the sea?
Irish.
I don't know it was Wendy's.
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Fuck right.
In a wind tunnel, in the winter.
It's just so cold it's so it'slike bone chilling.
Yeah, me being sit out on thestreets out on a Monday night, a
hundred out little Wristbands.
The cheeky monkey didn't soundvery appealing at the end of the
day, at the end of the night.
You're one of my least favoritepeople.
Yeah.
I'd be like.
Oh, no, it wasn't clunkymonkeys.
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My friend had Northern Irishaccent.
And I can imagine him sayingsomething.
Kinda it wasn't cheeky monkey.
I can't remember, but imagine itwas cheeky monkey.
She'd be like a phallus cheekymonkey tonight.
And I'd be like, Hey logs, you.
Oh, you're the ones trying toget the lads in.
Cheeky monkey tonight.
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Is this so bad to teach youanything?
Did you learn anything from thisjob?
I got to go there for freeafterwards.
Perfect.
This is why you did it.
And it's pretty good actually.
And also got me like it got melike well-known in like the I
dunno.
Are you planning or oh, They'relike weird.
Nightlife scene in Liverpool.
Yeah.
You knew the people.
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Yeah.
I think Monday nights it waslike cheeky monkey, Tuesday
night.
I think there were any othernights.
Tuesday nights is bumpa.
Bumper.
The club was called bumper.
I can't remember the name of theactual, what were the name of
the other parties?
I must know.
You've been to heebie-jeebies.
I haven't been toheebie-jeebies.
Yeah.
And that was okay.
This is a very like, I wasn't anolder, an older student bar was.
It's like more so like third.
Yes.
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I've been talking about this forso long, because this is truly
part of my job.
Deep dive into Liverpool.
Yeah, I know I do miss that.
It's so true.
I love that I would love that.
You have another job in uni?
That's a good question.
Dig deep.
Let me think.
Do you know, I only went myfirst year.
I only went in.
my attendance was 30.
Things like it was registered atthe FDA.
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My first year I was registered.
I was registered present at 30lectures seminars.
Thanks for the out the wholeyear.
How many total were there.
Oh, honey.
Like you had five classes a weekor something.
Hundreds.
I went to 30 in the air.
Oh, didn't you get a failed?
Yeah, I had to redo.
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I really want to do it to you.
You need just this one.
It's I love the social aspect ofit.
I went to an art school.
I went to Liverpool, John Mooresuniversity.
I studied interior design.
Okay.
I'm like, okay.
And I really didn't want to bethere.
So I was in forced to be there.
Yup.
And I really just enjoyed thesocial aspect of university.
So I like went to be social andmake friends.
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And didn't participate in any ofthe actual.
In any of the actual learning.
Because why else would you be atuniversity, but to learn.
Make friends and get socialskills.
It's a pie.
Parties.
Party.
I'm a party engine.
So basically.
Yeah, I um, got another job.
No.
Wait.
Let's talk about uni.
Ah, uni oh yeah.
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Uni.
Oh my God.
Yeah.
I have to have to redo a bunchof like assignments because I
didn't do them properly.
No shit.
Cause I didn't go.
And then I did, I was like, Ireally want to, I want to stay
at uni.
I had to write this likestatement being like, I really
do want to, I want to applymyself.
And then they accepted me.
Oh no.
I think my mum got I alreadymoved into my second year house.
And then my mum got a letter andshe like sent a picture of it to
(26:54):
me.
And it was like, you have notmade it just like in jail.
And I was like, I already paidthe deposit from my house.
I fucking baby.
I like went into college.
I went into uni the next day.
I.
She went in and be like, I I gohere.
I go here and I do hear what.
Crazy.
I don't care what you say.
I go here.
This is crazy that you have togo in and be like, I dunk, how
can I have to have to be here?
(27:14):
It's so funny.
We're so opposite.
Literally an honors student incollege.
Oh, my God.
Like I went to, I went intocollege in the honors college of
the university, like thesmartest little Smarties of the
smarts.
Okay.
Oh, it's somebody on theopposite.
We.
Like I was like a straight a, Idon't think I made less than an
a in college, but did you havefriends?
Um, There we go.
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There we go.
Some friends.
That's nice.
He summons.
Nice.
Some friends.
But have fun stories to tell.
I didn't go to parties.
I also went to Boone.
I was in Boone, North Carolina.
We didn't have parties.
All that side.
Life's not all about the pies,but when you're 17, Now 18, 19
yet.
It really is.
It really is 29 33.
You really ain't really is.
(27:57):
Yeah.
Anyway, I So no more jobs inuniversity?
No.
No.
You had another one, another.
I applied.
All this time in my second year.
Oh, yes.
I remember that applied for theHollister of a second gen.
They're like like you have toshave.
And I was like, I'm not doing.
Let me tell you this to yourface.
I would look like.
child.
If I did that.
And so I said, not for me.
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It was like, I wouldn't changemyself for anyone.
But I didn't not you Hollister.
No.
And then at the same time theyhad the men standing outside.
Not in the UK.
They didn't.
I think maybe that was like aspecial occasion thing in the U
S.
Not like all the time, then Ihaven't been outside, outside
all the time.
Yeah, no very nice pictures ofmen and Simon, lovely pictures
of men.
It was really dark and really,and.
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Cool.
You walk in and you're like, ohmy God, it smells amazing.
And the clothes were trash.
True.
Oh, so true.
The big Eagle, no seagull, thebig seagull logo.
That's not what that thing was.
It was a seagull.
They were a seagull.
The rest of this guy.
They're like a California.
It's like a California brown.
This is a fucking seagull in thebubble too.
It's a fucking seagull epidemicand Liverpool fucking now that's
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what they chose.
Yeah, true.
The.
Of the sky.
We already picked the moose.
So what else are we going topick?
I don't know, like an EagleAmerican Eagle probably had that
in say.
You can't can you can't feel youcan't copyright a fucking bird?
Aeropostle.
What is an Arab hostile?
I don't actually know.
You're a weirdo and you'remaking this.
No, I'll show you after.
(29:23):
And so you worked at a differentclothing shop?
No.
Yeah, I did.
I did actually.
Yeah, no.
Yeah.
I feel like there's somethingelse in between that missing.
But it escapes me.
At the beginning of my thirdyear, the year that I was
supposed to like really applymyself.
And like focused on mydissertation and Really focused
on my studies.
I got a job at a clothing store.
and I loved.
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It so much.
Because I'd all my uni friends,I had all my friends from like
parties had been to like,people's housemates, people's
other housemates.
You just like how you meetfriends in Liverpool.
And it was like, I haven'treally met anyone new in a
really long time.
It's not working here.
And I fucking loved it.
I was like, this is so fun.
So cool.
(30:05):
Everyone's so vibey in thisplace.
Yeah.
So many friends who would go onlike nights after work.
It was so fun.
Yeah.
Yup.
I'd had the best time ever.
And then that's where I met,like so many of my close
friends.
I'm still friends with.
Somebody believes to work withthat.
Yeah.
And all of your jobs did reallyrevolve around.
So social.
I'm a Gemini, Gemini Libra.
Like obviously that I seek outsocial interactions is the only
(30:25):
reason I want to know.
I wanted stability.
Because you done like your atuni and then you move and then
you moved to Germany.
Yeah.
And then I have two more.
I have.
I moved to Australia still.
Oh my God.
I have.
I'm in the bubble.
This is my final year of uni.
And then I moved to Manchesterfor six months before I moved to
Australia.
Okay, let me just quickly fuckit.
This is supposed to be the quickversion I work for a retail.
(30:46):
Clothing store.
In Liverpool.
Graduate university loved it somuch.
Moved to mountain view back toManchester.
Graduated.
You actually got my degree.
I got congrats.
Graduate.
Graduate with honors.
Good job.
Whoa.
Honors.
Yeah.
You yeah.
Honors.
I wrote my thesis.
In a week you faked it.
I know that she like lied about,oh no, I don't give a fuck.
(31:08):
You think my fucking revoke.
Exactly.
Oh, no, I like made up all myprimary research.
Like I'm like, no, one's goingto, no, one's going to fit.
No one is going to also like ifyou lost your degree, oh no, you
lost your interior to see.
Yeah.
It's in a frame.
So when my mum hasn't moved,since I like.
I think you've lost.
I don't know where the fuck thatdegree is.
It doesn't exist.
(31:29):
And then I moved back toManchester to live with my mum.
What site?
Bef in between me graduating andmoving to Australia.
I already had my visa oneverything like lined up.
So I just want you to save.
Some money.
Moved to Manchester startedworking at the Manchester store.
Made so many new friends, stillfriends with so many of those
people now.
I love that store.
Became supervisor, so fun.
(31:50):
Crazy.
I'll have to leave, I have toleave you guys.
And then worked, I've got to gomy own way.
Yeah.
And then left that job so funthough.
I loved it.
I moved to Melbourne and I waslike, I've got savings in my
bank account.
So I don't need to do a job.
This second, I want to travelfor a bit.
I traveled the great ocean roadand I was like, wait, this is
really expensive here.
Let me get my aspect ofMelbourne and get a job, not a
(32:10):
guy on new year's Eve, who wasthe manager of a famous
restaurant at the time?
Was it famous?
I don't fucking know.
It was a meatball and wine bar.
Oh, my God.
It was so fun.
It was so fun too, because Ididn't really know anyone in
Australia.
I didn't know anyone inAustralia.
I didn't know anyone inMelbourne.
And then I started working atthis job.
They made me the assistantmanager.
(32:31):
Cause I like really hyped upthat when I was a supervisor of
my.
Store right.
You fobbed your resume.
Everyone's fucked.
A resume I'm 22 years old.
And then I become assistantmanager of meatball and wine
bar.
Yeah.
And listen to me, I got tochoose the people who we hired.
So I made like, I like thecoolest people that would walk
in.
Hiring decisions.
People will come in and be likejust go out after work all the
(32:52):
time.
It was so fun.
Cause like Monday nights,Tuesday, it was like industry
nights.
So you'd go to like, laser pegaround the corner, or that was
the first time I ever like,experienced like drag.
Yeah.
I was at 22 and I'd go out inMelbourne and just like, Work my
little shift and then go out.
I was so fond.
It was such a fun life.
Anyway.
Did that for a while and thenquit.
Cause I wanted to travel a bit.
(33:13):
And then Hopped around some likebackpacker hustles, like
traveled a little bit.
And then in between those, Ilike found myself at the nomads
backpacking hostel, and then Ilike was doing work for
accommodation.
In between that time I was doingwolfing.
Which is whoa.
Work for accommodation working.
And Nope.
Where we'll think you.
(33:34):
It is working out.
Yeah.
Or farming.
No, no, no, No.
It was like, it was like helpingpeople, helping, I don't know
what actually sounds.
I've never wolfed before Alexa.
Define wolfing.
What thing.
Uh, Way to work and travel whileI don't know why.
Yeah.
It was basically like work for acombination.
(33:55):
Yeah.
So it was like doing that.
Yeah, I was doing that and itwas doing the Austin.
And then I moved to Sydney andthen I was doing the hot, the
hostile.
And then I was like my Visa'sup.
Got to go.
Skedaddled got to go get thefuck out of there.
And then we're about to go toGermany.
Wow.
That was a good lighteninground.
Thank you.
You're getting stuck in therefor a second.
I so hot.
You've had so many jobs.
I've had five and you've had a25 apparently.
(34:17):
Yeah, I know Jesus.
There's still more to come.
Oh, my God.
I moved to Germany after collegebecause I had an internship.
Probably got an internship.
There's organization that I'veworked with in college.
If you want to know more aboutthat, Just go back to the, how
we met episode and you'll seethat.
I moved to Germany aftercollege.
I had an internship with D H Lfor a data analytics internship.
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That talked to me about the dayin the life of a day on list DHL
in Frankfurt.
Ah well, I would wake up and Iwas looking at my globe.
That was funny.
And then very sadly spin itaround.
And land on Frankfurt, Germany,because that's where I fucking
crazy though.
I said out of anywhere in theworld, I could land.
(35:01):
Like when you first moved to theweek.
You're like, wow, this is crazy.
I was like, yeah.
Cause it was like one of myfirst times, like living outside
of the country.
I was like, oh my God, Germany.
So cool.
I like living like that was likean a, I was like a.
Oh, it's like living in likeworking in like aiming to be
there for awhile.
I was like, yeah, that's cool.
It's like a, it's a city, so ithas like a skyline there's like
(35:22):
buildings.
It's like skylights skyscrapers,which like most other European
cities don't have like bigactually.
Yes they do.
It's such a long.
They do.
Germans that he's dope.
So it was nice.
dana life I would wake up andthen I would get on the bus.
Early on 6:00 AM, 6 38 apple.
Shell to the airport.
Yes, I was getting there.
I was getting there.
We're going to the airportshuttle because my job was at
(35:43):
the airport.
It was that the DHL cargo at theairport.
Frank Foote airport.
So I would go and got my littlebus, sadly.
I would pick up a little LOLsandwich on the way from the
grocery store.
Oh, my God.
Let's talk about the sandwichesin Germany.
The bricks.
Oh, they're bricks.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's mostly bread.
Oh my gosh.
Deli on the fucking hottestbread.
(36:03):
I have had in your life, likethe I've had pre-prepared
sandwiches.
I do my breakfast.
It was like crazy.
10 pounds of bread.
Yeah.
Crazy.
It's true.
I was.
So I would go to the airport andthen I would sit down at my desk
and there'd be one German ladysat across from me and she was
my boss.
And that would be, it there'llbe some other people in the
office, but it would just be us.
I would go get a little coffeefrom the German coffee machine,
(36:25):
get my filter, to ask coffee,put a little like milk in there
or something, put some sugar inthere.
And then I would do that 10 moretimes by the end of the morning.
Cause I was so bored.
Fucking job bitch.
I would just sat on next hour.
I don't know.
I lied.
And I said, I knew how to like,do XL functions.
I know how to sum something andadd something up.
And then they gave me reallyhard jobs and I was like, I
don't know what I'm doing.
(36:46):
It's your fault for hiring me.
I lied, but.
Zero fall.
Wow.
So you do lie.
so that's when I started alsodoing the freelance writing and
copywriting and ghost writing tomake a few extra bucks.
Because I was making some moneyfrom this job, but I was like, I
don't really want to do thisanymore.
What was that website that youused to use?
Uh, Work.
Oh yeah.
Oh my God.
(37:06):
It's where you would find likelittle jobs or they had a
copywriting job.
So I would like, actually, thisis when I started doing like
ghost articles.
So do you.
There's articles where you goonline.
You're like, what do I do inThailand?
Literally.
No, we're going to Thailand.
Okay.
We're going to Thailand.
I feel like actually, when thisepisode comes out, we're going
to be in Thailand.
Yeah.
When you.
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We're doing that when we met inBerlin.
Like you asked me, you sent thatto me because I'd been to
Thailand already.
Yeah.
You sent that over to me to readover to make sure it was like
actually P things people woulddo, as I was saying, I would
have right.
These like listicle articles.
So it's seven top things to doin Thailand, or seven things eat
in Thailand or what to do inThailand or anything else
besides Thailand.
I could just think of that rightnow.
(37:47):
One was like a nursing homewebsite and it was like what to
do with your granny withdementia.
I was writing like eight thingsto do to help your grandma.
That's crazy.
But this is my win.
Yeah, those things like peoplelike ma are writing.
Or AI now, honestly.
But back then it was me.
Back in my day, I was slavingover this little laptop.
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No.
Wait, what, how, okay.
One of my like good friends fromhigh school, her now
ex-boyfriend.
I remember this.
Hired you.
I think we found this out likeyears later.
I know it was crazy.
We found this out years later,that when you were living in
Germany, one of my friends.
Like my friend's boyfriend atthe time.
Yeah.
Hide, use.
Do some more of this ghostwriting opportunity.
(38:32):
Hi.
Yeah.
The opportunity.
It was a nursing home.
One.
This is why.
Oh my God.
Really.
That's crazy.
That's crazy.
Oh, my God.
And she told me she was like, Ijust realized.
It was crazy.
He just told me, so that's whatI was doing.
And that's when I started doingthat during my job at the
airport, I would sit at my deskand pretend to be doing Excel
sheet things, but I was reallyjust like doing my other job.
(38:53):
And we want one degree ofassociation away and we didn't
even know.
I know that's crazy.
I know it's crazy.
And then we.
Yeah.
And then I quit that internshipsix months in, and then I moved
to Berlin to continue toincrease writing and copywriting
and like starting my Instagramjourney.
And that's where like theInstagram shit happened.
Happened.
That's when I started doingInstagram and like, That whole
(39:15):
influencer shenanigans.
How fast did you get like yourInstagram following up?
It was from like when I moved toGermany and then I met you.
I was like a 20,000, 30,000 onInstagram.
And then I think by the time Igot to Canada, no, I want to
know, like, how did you get upto 10 K?
Like when you were on Instagram?
It was like Instagram was reallyeasy to grow on the back of the
day.
Like you would just postsomething and you get thousands
(39:37):
of followers.
Oh, if you were good at it.
And I started doing likefashion, lifestyle travel and
all of that, and people werelike, oh my God, I'm really
interested in what you're doing.
I was like, I don't know.
It's just like travel diaries.
Basically, and then my life, andthen my fashion, which was top
man.
a sauce.
And that's it.
Oh.
It's at the top of my brain is.
It's at the top of my brain.
What's the one, the German onecalled.
(39:58):
The orange is like an orangelogo.
Everyone used to work for themor like they just do all the
ads.
There's an office in Berlin.
I don't know.
I was a land.
This little land.
crazy work.
A crazy work.
Wow.
That really took me back.
That's crazy.
And that was the start of myinfluencer journey.
(40:18):
And then you had a different jobin Berlin before you started,
you had too many, you have.
Like 10 other jobs.
I can quickly do this one.
Cause this one's boring as fuck.
When I moved to Berlin.
When I moved to Berlin,actually, no, after.
After I left Australia, I washome for like half of a second.
And then I did like a temp job.
Like I did temp office job.
And I was like, Nope, this ishorrible.
(40:38):
And I went, I was at the job,like looking for flights to move
to Germany.
And then I was gone within acouple of weeks.
Nice.
And then.
was working at a hostel, thehostel that I liked first
arrived in.
I was like cleaning.
At the hostel.
And it was fucking horrible.
Actually, the guy never paid meup.
I know child labor is a piece ofshit.
I was trying to no way I was 20.
No, I'm 24 now.
(40:58):
Oh my God.
I'm 24 old child.
They have 24 now.
Fucking hell crazy.
Oh yeah.
I got a job when I was likelooking for an English speaking
role in Berlin.
I landed upon.
This customer.
Facing customer service, likerole, which sounded so fun.
Cause it was like for a fashioncompany, not that book.
And Mr.
Porter.
Now take me through the life ofa customer service, right.
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I would wake up in the morning.
I would take the train totheater.
It's plats.
And I'd walk to my building.
I'd stand outside and cry, smokea cigarette, then go upstairs.
And then I would sit at my deskfor 20 minutes.
I'd go down and says, I haveanother cigarette.
I sat at my desk for another 20minutes.
Go for coffee, eat some food.
God says and have anothercigarette.
(41:40):
And then we'll go back upstairs.
Our job.
I literally didn't spend morethan 20 minutes at my desk at
one time.
How about that for a year and ahalf.
This sounds eerily similar toyour first year in university.
Shut the fuck up.
Anyway, I was there for thefriends.
I made so many great.
So many lifelong friends, likeso many people from the office.
I like so near and dear to myheart.
(42:03):
And love them to death.
We just we're on this, like onebig, long English, like row of
people.
It was the most.
Like mundane.
Jay.
I imagine it there's thismundane like German office
cubicle bullshit situation.
manager.
The boss man manager was thisItalian guy who was just like a
(42:25):
big baby.
he was like, not.
Cognizant of anything at all ah,And I'm like, nothing is getting
done here.
there was a time where I waslike trying to, I want it to
streamline some things or likethis thing is going wrong or
something's annoying me.
And there's no way to fixsomething and he'd be like, ah,
bro.
Barbara.
I don't like, wow great.
You don't give a shit about thisplace, so I don't give a shit
(42:45):
about this place.
Yeah.
And then.
Left that.
We started doing photographylike.
How fun.
Yeah.
As a hobby.
Yeah.
Cause I really loved, like I didlove the arts, like growing up,
I loved the arts.
I just never knew which.
Interior design.
Apparently it was.
I suppose to go to uni, it wasthe easiest thing to do, and
then some of my friends that wason that course with our like,
(43:06):
designing.
Like full hotels andrestaurants.
And I don't like.
I got podcasts.
I have a podcast that they'reprobably listening to.
Once they do that sketchy.
Exactly.
Yeah, I'm proud of you.
You should be proud of me too.
I applied myself.
And then yeah, I was fuckingover that bullshit.
(43:29):
This is when we had alreadydecided to leave the country.
packed up my bags, moved to, uh,moved to Toronto.
And then I got a job at.
A hotel.
I was a host and a barista.
For six months.
And oh, my fucking Christ that Iwork every like pretty much
every you did, you were gone allthe time.
I was gone all the time.
(43:51):
isn't that the isn't that thelife lesson it is truly like.
Working money.
Yes.
But like also the social aspect.
I'm going to job was like themost fun thing.
There's two good things about.
I said that at the beginning,but then I want it to get that.
the social aspects of working aslike truly the main thing that
kept me.
Going right in all of these.
Random rigid job roles that Ihad.
(44:13):
Yeah.
I worked in hospitality againfor six months and then worked
in retail for two weeks.
You've done so much.
I was at north.
They were like, you can be.
What was I going to do?
Drag them?
You were going to be a fuckingsales.
Um, A stylist.
Yeah, it was what it was goingto be working as a stylist.
I was going to eventually be astylist.
I think they wanted me to havelike floor experience.
And I like did my interview withthe stylist and like I was going
(44:34):
to be on the stylist team.
And that was a hired you as astylist.
And then they put you in salesassociate was.
On the men's sportsweardepartment.
And I was like, Nope, I'm notdoing this for five.
And I like didn't come back.
I just didn't go back.
It's a theme actually.
And then we threw balls to thewalls.
I was like, let me just do mylife the way I want to do my
life.
And I started like reaching outto people and like the contacts
(44:56):
that I dealt already, I was likejust emailing and fucking.
A billion people to dophotography.
Full-time.
Because I was doing this bookwith Matt and I would go to her
like his campaign shoots andhelp him with everything.
Or it was like doing everything.
10% of every campaign.
Actually at the time you did,you were businessmen.
I was a business woman.
It was like, if I am going to belike doing my job, like I'm
(45:17):
going to be working like nine,10 hours a day.
This hotel.
Yeah.
Then come and help you shoot acampaign that you need to Adam,
I'm getting paid for it.
Do you also remember you made meput like the little camera emoji
and your name you're using.
On every single post that I did.
But that was cute.
Cute.
I want to grow my, I want togrow my photography.
(45:37):
And this will help me reachpeople and people will see like
shit.
Great content for you.
Yeah, and it did.
And people hired me to do likephotography work and I did that
for.
About a year and I was growingmy own Instagram and them.
Eventually fucking loves thatPawlenty fucking.
And then I got signed with youragency that you were already
with, correct?
Like the whole year.
Correct.
And then I started doing reallywell.
Yeah.
(45:57):
And then.
It depends on what happened.
And then I was on EDI.
For COVID.
Yeah.
But then we were starting yourTik TOK.
That's when we started.
I take time.
Yeah.
and little did we know.
That things would sky rocket.
And now here we are talking toyou.
That was exhausting.
I'm tired.
I thought this was like a fulleight hour shift.
(46:19):
So this is going to be easybecause I didn't think about how
many jobs you had.
You've lived 10 lives.
I know I've missed out a couple.
I'm sure.
I'm sure you have.
We're not going to go back.
That's close.
Chapter is closed.
Yeah.
Yeah, fuck.
That was wild now.
Everything about.
Cool.
I like fully, I have like trulythrowing myself under the bus.
(46:40):
For so many things there.
With the legal system in theUnited Kingdom.
For credit card fraud orwhatever that.
Okay.
Or whatever, you know, fraud.
Lying on your resume.
Lying.
Dirty liar.
I have a lot more incriminatingthings that I'm not going to
say.
Do we have time for a dinnertable game?
Yeah, I've got time for it.
That's able game.
I don't have one though.
(47:02):
Let's play, spin the bottle.
It's me and you.
Exactly.
Freak.
Fuck marry.
Kill.
Okay.
DHL.
American Eagle.
What was your other one?
You can even think of any of thejobs that is out here.
Art galleries.
Gallery watcher.
(47:25):
Going to.
As the job to do, or as the fuckmarry, kill.
Just generally, whatever youwant to do with that.
I'm going to marry.
DHL.
Oh, cause they're steady.
And the employment is good.
And it was like the most likecareer oriented thing that I've
ever done.
I know what you gonna say next?
I'm going to a.
(47:46):
I'll fuck American Eagle.
Yeah, exactly.
American hero for sure.
Like the art room watcher.
No, I would kill my art room.
Watch her job.
The watcher.
I'm the watcher.
I was the watcher.
So sad.
No totally.
Okay.
That was pretty easy.
Fuck marry, kill.
And I have to think about everysingle one of your jobs that
you've ever done.
(48:07):
Fuck marry, kill.
Meatball and wine bar.
Supervisor.
I was actually used as amanager.
I was.
My official title is to IC.
Alright.
Okay.
Assistant manager of meatballand Walmart.
And Melbourne Australia.
Random pizza flyer.
And.
What else did you do?
What else did you, oh my God.
(48:28):
And Net-a-Porter in Berlin andcustomer service.
We didn't say cheeky monkey whatthat was with the pizza flyer.
That's nothing to do with thepizza fly.
It was similar vibes, giving outthings, getting people to do
things.
I'm going to kill the Berlinjob, obviously.
The most mundane thing I everdid in my whole entire life.
I would marry the meatball andwine bar because I didn't say
(48:49):
before that I, that was thefirst job I ever got paid.
Like that much money at that.
I was on like Melvin's fucking.
Wages was so high.
I was paid like$24 an hour.
That's crazy.
AUD.
AUD, which is the same as CAD.
So that helps you referencethat.
As well as by couple, no oneelse with.
(49:10):
But I was 22.
I didn't got paid that muchmoney, like$24 an hour.
And that was crazy at the time.
and I guess I'm just going tohave to fuck the.
pizza fly a person.
As we clock off today's shift.
Please.
Don't forget to rate us whereveryou listen to podcasts.
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followers on Tik TOK, Instagram,and YouTube.
And we'll see you next time.
At the dinner table.
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Now get out.
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