Energy: The Invisible Force That Shapes Your World

Energy shapes our reality, and in this conversation with healing arts practitioner Jenna, we explore how what we put out into the universe always comes back to us.

Jenna shares her journey from a nervous breakdown and divorce to becoming a healer who channels universal energy, offering insights on leading with heart instead of ego and how judgment often reflects something we need to heal within ourselves.

We also dive into the magic of sound healing, especially the transformative power of gongs, and how these instruments become partners in the healing process.

For those feeling disconnected or drained, Jenna shares simple practices to protect your energy, like reconnecting with nature and being present.

This episode reminds us that spiritual growth is about awareness, compassion, and listening to the whispers of our soul.

This podcast dives deep into real, raw topics—think vulnerability, triggers, and childhood trauma. But just so we're super clear: I’m not a licensed therapist, mental health professional, or anything close. I’m just a human sharing stories, lessons, and life hacks based on personal experience and a whole lot of curiosity.

So, while you might find some golden nuggets here, this is not therapy and should never replace professional mental health care. If you or someone you love is going through it, please—seriously—reach out to a licensed therapist or healthcare provider. You deserve the real deal.

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The opinions expressed on this show are ours and ours alone—no official organizations are responsible for what we say (or how much we overshare).

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:07):
I'd love to help you get vulnerable.
Let's get naked.
Hey everyone, I'm Anne.
Welcome to the let's Get Nakedpodcast, where we dive deep into
vulnerability.
In this space, we'll explorewhat triggers us, uncover the
patterns holding us back anddiscover how to take charge of
our own growth.
If you're ready to dig in, bevulnerable and face the tough

(00:30):
stuff, then buckle up.
It's time to get naked.
Today we're going to be talkingwith our guest about energy.
Energy is everything.
It's in every interaction,every conversation, every
thought, every action.
It's not just some abstractthing floating around.
It's tangible.
It's something we feelconstantly.

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And here's the kicker weattract the energy we put out.
Period.
The kind of energy you radiateinto the universe is what the
universe gives back.
I'm sure you've noticed it.
When you're walking around in abad mood, everything seems to
spiral.
The car cuts you off yourcoffee spills, people are rude
to you, but when you're in agood mood, suddenly the world

(01:14):
seems a little brighter.
Strangers smile at you, peopleare more considerate and even
the smallest of annoyances feelless aggravating.
This is the law of attractionat its core.
The energy you project into theworld comes back to you.
Now let's talk about energy on adeeper, more spiritual level.
Energy isn't just emotional ormental, it's also physical and

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it's something that can behealed, balanced and manipulated
.
That's where practices likeReiki come in.
Reiki is a form of energyhealing that originates from
Japan, and it's all aboutchanneling energy through the
hands of a practitioner to helpheal emotional, physical and
spiritual imbalances.
It's built on the idea thatthere's a universal life force,

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energy that flows through allliving things, and when that
energy is blocked or stagnant,we experience discomfort or
disease.
Reiki helps to remove theseblockages and restore balance to
the body and mind.
Think of it like this your bodyis like a battery and your
energy flow is the charge thatkeeps you going.

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When that energy is stuck, weakor misaligned, you'll feel
tired, drained and unbalanced.
Reiki aims to clear thoseblockages and re-energize you,
bringing you back into alignmentwith your true self.
But here's the thing you don'thave to be a Reiki master to
understand this concept.
You can begin to feel theimpact of your energy in your

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daily life by simply becomingaware of it.
What kind of energy do you putout?
Are you constantly negative,critical or stressed, or are you
positive, loving andcompassionate?
It's easy to fall into the trapof complaining, venting and
blaming the world for ourproblems, but that only creates
more of the same negativity.
You get what you give.

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Plain and simple, this isn'tjust about good vibes or
positive thinking.
It's about alignment.
When you are aligned with theenergy of love, gratitude and
peace, your entire realityshifts.
Opportunities start flowing toyou, your relationships become
healthier, you start to see thebeauty in small things.
But when you're out ofalignment, when you're

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disconnected, frustrated orangry, everything around you
seems off.
You don't just attract negativepeople, you attract negative
situations.
You attract what mirrors yourinternal state.
Reiki teaches us that we canconsciously shift our energy.
It encourages us to let go ofnegative thought patterns, heal

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past wounds and raise ourvibrational frequency to one of
love, light and peace.
It's not about denying thedarker emotions or pretending
everything is okay.
It's about acknowledging thosefeelings and releasing them in a
way that doesn't disrupt yourinner balance.
It's about healing from theinside out.

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So next time you feel like lifeis handing you a bunch of
negativity, take a step back.
Check in with yourself.
What energy are you putting outinto the world?
Are you creating space forpositive change or are you
contributing to the chaos andfrustration around you.
If you're struggling withnegative energy, consider trying

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something like Reiki to helprestore your balance and guide
you back to a more harmoniousstate.
It's not magic, it's energy.
And that energy, my friends, isthe key to unlocking a life
full of positivity, healing andabundance.
Today we're stripping it alloff with my friend, jenna.
Jenna is an integrated healingarts practitioner and what I

(04:46):
will say is a Reiki energygenius.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Thank you, that was perfect.
I'm going to use that.
Yeah, absolutely, I would loveto have those notes.
I know, right, it was perfect.
Yeah, well, good, I'm glad, I'mglad, thanks.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
So I met Jenna for the listeners at home.
I met Jenna, a couple of yearsago I found her in a really
amazing, lovely way, and I'mgoing to tell that story because
I find that it's excellent.
So I had just moved back downfrom living up in Northern
Arizona and my energy smelledlike dog shit and I knew that I

(05:18):
had been in a tough situationfor several years and just
really did not feel like myself.
I wasn't aligned with things andI had this whole thing about
hummingbird for whatever reason.
So yeah, so I love hummingbirdsanyways, and just in life.
But then I had a situationwhere my husband and I had been

(05:40):
married, had just recently hadan anniversary, and he had given
me this little like hummingbirdstatue.
We moved down to Phoenix, thehouse that I found that
literally the universe broughtto our front doors on
Hummingbird Lane.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
Correct, and then I'm looking for.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
you know Reiki work and I had had some done years
and years ago but really hadgotten kind of away from that a
little bit and was looking andfound, came across Jenna's
website Sacred Paws.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Sacred Paws Healing Correct.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
Sacred Paws Healing Right and was reading about
Jenna and she has a hummingbirdtattoo on her arm, which is on
her website and just everythingabout what she had to say really
spoke to me, and so I went andsaw her, and now I send all of
my people.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
She sends everybody to me.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
So that's what I give for gifts is like a certificate
to go see Jenna to have your uh.
I love that.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Thank you, you know session and totally honored
every time you do.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Yeah, I love it so much so.
I absolutely adore Jenna.
I think she's incredible, but Ijust believe that the work that
you do is so incrediblypowerful.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Thank you that you do is so incredibly powerful.
Thank you, yeah, thank you.
So I would be powerful than Ieven understand sometimes what's
happening.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
I think you're absolutely right, Right, Like I
think you put yourself out thereand you're in service to the
collective, but like I don'tthink you really realize how
huge what you do is I have noidea.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yeah, people tell me all the time I'm like thank you.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
Like I have a hard time explaining, I have no idea
what I do for a living exactly.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
Um, I created a business on compassion and that
was it.
Um, I knew I was supposed to bein service.
I don't know what that means.
Sometimes I think that I'malways in service.
Um, I started pulling togetherdifferent modalities, like into
a toolbox, and didn't know whatI was doing with any of it, and
didn't realize that I was, Idon't know, like magical in my

(07:33):
own little way and we all are.
But I just didn't realize thatwhat was coming through me, not
from me.
So it's not me I'm not givingyou a piece of me but what's
coming through me is, uh ishelping other people.
I just had no idea.
And so what do I do?
Uh, a lot of coaching, um, alot of energy work.

(07:53):
And what does that mean?
I'm moving.
I like shake a snow globe.
So everything that's been stuckin our bodies, whether it's old
trauma, whether it's old trauma, whether it's old emotions or
new emotion, whatever it is thatmakes us not feel light.
I'm shaking it up for you yeahand what you choose to do.
What your body chooses to do isup to your body yeah so we talk

(08:16):
about it, we do a lot ofvibrational healing, we do
energy work and then whateverelse comes out, whether it's
we're saging down the buildingor we're, I'm always up for a
good ritual.
If you've got something youwant to do, I'm doing it with
you.
Yeah, yeah.
So I don't really know what itis I do, except that I create a
space that's safe for somebodyelse to come and be vulnerable,
to do whatever's supposed tohappen that day it's interesting

(08:39):
because the things that you saythat kind of hit for me are
being in service to community.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Yeah, being a conduit .
Right, it's not from you, it'sthrough you.
Correct, you know, the snowglobe thing really lands for me
because that's exactly what itfeels like, and whatever you're
in the right timing for.
Whatever you're supposed to begetting is what you're going to
get, Absolutely.
And you literally just holdspace for people.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
That's right, that's right, that's right, and it's
not my ego.
So if I'm coming in sayingAnne's coming in today, what can
I do for her, then I've justblown the whole thing, because
it has nothing to do with what Ican do for somebody.
This is coming through me foryou from a source that is
already available to you, andyou're just maybe not able to
get there on your own.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
We all need somebody to help us get there, including
myself, so I'm that person.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
For whomever's walking through my door, you're
a guide for people to be able tojust find their heart,
absolutely yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
It's fascinating to me because I think people that
I've sent to you that don't knowanything about it come back,
because I'm just selfishly, Iwant to hear what their
experience is just for like tellme more, and it blows every
single person's mind that comesto see you that isn't familiar
with.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Reiki, and I have no idea, yeah, and I'm always like,
oh, they had a good time, oh,that's good, right, right, I
don't know that I'd say a goodtime.
Some people come back after.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Yeah, not everybody has a good time, but everybody
gets what they need out of it,absolutely.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
And that's what's coming through.
It has nothing to do with mywill for them today.
My will is to show up, unlockthe door, make sure it's safe
for them and safe for myself,and let them have the experience
that they were supposed to haveby God or the universe.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah, you mentioned something about ego and I think
that that's something, as I'vecontinued on my journey, of
really having to keep that incheck.
I think I had a huge experiencewhen I did ayahuasca a couple
of years ago and it reallyhelped me see the difference
between my ego and my soul.
Yeah, right, the differencebetween kind of your personality
and ego.
Yeah, and I don't want I spentmy entire life with that being

(10:36):
what led me.
Yeah, rather than let your soullead your ego and your
personality, because you aresupposed to be a conduit and
once you realize, um, it's notabout you.
Like I thought the worldrevolved around me for the first
40 years of my life.
Right, so for those that, knewme in a previous life.
Like I'm, a completelydifferent person in the last
eight years.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
And we need ego.
Right, there's a part of usthat need ego.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
We do, but it shouldn't lead you Right,
Absolutely.
You should make choices fromheart not ego.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
So when I go into service, I release ego.
Fear, judgment those are thewords every day.
So I'm not here to judge youfor what you're going through.
I'm actually not even here togive you advice on what you're
going through.
I'm here to hold space for itand listen, and that's the
biggest thing that I've takenaway from where I started and

(11:23):
how I ended up is what have Ilearned?
I've learned to listen reallywell and not judge.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
I think holding space is literally like the coolest
thing on the planet like it'swhat drives me now, because, as
I've gotten further into thework and I started working a
couple years ago with justpeople that are in my inner
circle, people that have saidnotice like the energy that has
changed in me and I want whatyou have kind of thing, tell me
what you're doing you know, andit literally is just cleaning

(11:50):
out the gunk letting youremotions really be, you know,
boss in in your life and uh andall of the things that go into
that.
But uh, yeah, it's, it'spowerful to be able to hold
space.
Like that's all I want to dofor people now because I just,
when people hold space for me, Ijust appreciate that to a whole
crazy level.
And when I'm able to hold spacefor other people, it feeds my

(12:11):
soul.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Yeah, and holding space is different for every
person.
You don't know what thatholding space is going to look
like.
You have to be willing to justgo with the flow, like break no
rules.
So open up the space, sit thereand wait for whatever needs to
show up that day when I thinkwe've gotten so in society, to
this judgment.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
This, all of the things that are so gross and so
nasty, they feel bad for thepeople that are doing it.
They feel bad for the peoplethat are receiving it.
Yeah, and holding space isreally just no judgment right,
just really helping guidesomeone, whether that's even
just with your presence and nowords.
Yeah, I mean, there's a lotthat goes into holding space and
it can look like a bunch ofdifferent things.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yeah, and judgment is when we're all going to judge.
It's part of human society,it's part of what we've been
brought up, we learn and it'sgoing on all around us.
So when we judge, we have toask ourselves why are we judging
?

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yes, I found that we judging yes, so because it has
something to do about us it doesnothing to do about, it's
nothing to do with the otherperson when you realize that,
like really realize that at yourcore.
Oh my gosh why am I doing this?
Turn, turn in on yourself, getcurious about it when you find
yourself judging somebody else.
Get curious about it.
I used to find myself judging,uh, people that were loud and
obnoxious and the people thatare having the most fun in the

(13:22):
room.
And then I looked, looked andI'm like that's me.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
I'm judging them because that is who I am.
I'm judging that because that'swho I am.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Just saw myself Right , exactly, and so when you're
really willing to sit with thosegross feelings and say like
okay, why am I doing that?
What does that look like?
Where is that coming from?
It's important work.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
I continue to tell people like get curious about
yourself, get curious aboutthat's what this is all about.
Self-awareness is what this isall about, and even you ask you
know what do I do?
I allow you to becomeself-aware, like what is really,
what's really bothering you?
Where is that emotion reallycoming from?
Yeah, where is the trauma?
Where's the root of the trauma?

(13:58):
Not what your spouse said toyou that made you feel this like
where did it really come fromand how far back does it go?

Speaker 1 (14:05):
I think it's fascinating because I think I
feel like there's layers ofthings right and this layer of
judgment gross.
You know, picking on each other, not being amazing to each
other is a whole different thing.
And then there's this nextlevel of okay, really getting
curious about yourself anddiving into that and like what
does that look?
Do you plug into the collective?
How do you plug into the source?

(14:26):
Like you, it just sheds all ofthat base layer grossness that
you plugged into for so longwhere it's like that's nothing,
nobody, that's nothing.
No, it's a totally differentvibration and you step out of it
and you don't even.
It doesn't even register foryou anymore.
I don't hang out with peoplethat talk about other people.
I hang out with people thattalk about what they're doing to
be better.
How?
They're supporting other people, how they're being of service

(14:49):
to the community, and I look atthat and I think I'm a
completely different person inthe best possible way, because
it doesn't have anything to dowith me.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
None of this does.
I'm literally like a speck ofsand, and the more you grow, the
more you're letting go ofpeople who don't serve you in
that space anymore, and it'sokay.
It's better to have smallamounts of quality than to have
these large groups that don'treally do anything but put you
into positions where you areback in ego or fear or shaming
or whatever it is, which is alldisgusting stuff.

(15:18):
It's all gross stuff, but we doit and we go back right so we
can be high and we're up, youknow, vibrationally, we're all
up, you know, vibrationally,we're all you know, up here in
this, in this cloud or this.
But then we're going to gobackwards and that's okay too it
is, but are you self-awareenough to know that you just
went backwards?

Speaker 1 (15:32):
it's funny that you say that, because I had a.
I had a moment a couple ofmonths ago where I found myself
like sliding back into oldpatterns at work that were very
uh, made me feel like I hadcontrol over things or that I
needed to.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
It's your survival.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
It is right, and so I had to just kind of really
remind myself and double down onthe surrender of this isn't
about me.
This isn't about I'm notholding things together.
This has nothing to do withthat and really like just
reaffirm to myself that it's not.
It's not in my control.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
I'm supposed to just release and let the big guy do
whatever the big guy's gonna do.
Yeah, control is so hard.
Oh, it is because we want to.
It's a survival technique and Ithink in our age group and
whatever that age group is 45 to60, let's put it that age group
we were brought up by parentswho just need us figure it out
on our own.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Yeah, so we've been surviving, yeah, forever usually
with a lot of shame and guilt.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
So much shame.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
I mean the shame is I just realized.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
So I'm turning 56.
I just realized in the lastyear that my mother has been
asking me what is wrong with youmy entire life.
I had no idea.
I just realized at this year.
I'm like, oh my God, what iswrong with me?
And I'm like, wait a second,where did that come from?
And I had to go backwards andrealize that what is wrong with
you is just a part of my life.

(16:49):
And so now I'm trying to figureout what the heck is wrong with
me all the time.
There's nothing wrong with me.
Now I just turned around on her.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
I'm like what is wrong with you?

Speaker 2 (16:59):
I mean, these are parents that had to be reminded
that they had kids at 10 o'clockevery night.
I love that.
You say that, didn't you loveit?
Do you remember?

Speaker 1 (17:07):
that Well.
We didn't have a TV growing up,which is maybe part of why I
was so weird.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Maybe that's part of your problem right there.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
I mean I do have a lot of unusual I've learned in
the last couple of years.
Really unusual things in myupbringing, but I do remember
that.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
It is 10 pm.
Do you know where your childrenare?
They had to be reminded at 10pm.
We were feral and that's okay.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
We were feral growing up.
We had a great time.
The 80s were a whole differentball of wax, no cell phones, no
one to show you a picture of howstupid you were when you got
drunk or did something stupid or?
Whatever, no, we didn't know.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
No, we were just living our best lives on our own
and being shamed, of course, aswell, and and all the other
good stuff.
So now I think it's our time.
Our generation is here to fixit.
I couldn't agree with you moreand it's a.
It's a hard weight to carry onour shoulders it is, but it's
exciting.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
It is exciting, for me it's.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
It's like let's fucking go to be able to say I'm
not afraid of it, let's bringit on.
I'm willing to get to the rootof the root of the root, yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
When I hold space for people, I literally it's like
you don't have demons that aregoing to make me scared.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
I've seen everything.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
I've seen all the things I am, I've been, I've
been.
All the things I am.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
And I'm still all the things and I still will a human
and a woman and all the othergood stuff, and a mother and an
ex and a daughter and a friend.

(18:35):
I'm still going to beat myselfup and not think I'm enough, but
I can pull myself out so muchquicker than I used to.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
I think people, like people from the other side, look
at people that are spiritual orpeople that kind of walk this
path and maybe they don'tunderstand or think we're woo
woo and like all, which istotally fine.
Yeah, I look at that though,and I think maybe explore that
in yourself, right, if you'recurious about, like, what the
woo woo is what are you afraid?
Of the woo woo.
People seem pretty happy.

(19:03):
We're pretty happy.
Yeah, we're pretty happy,pretty happy.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Sometimes we call it woo-woo and sometimes we don't.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
We can call it spiritual, but what's spiritual
to?

Speaker 2 (19:11):
you and what's spiritual to me is going to be
different.
Yeah, and I think being willingto uncover the gross stuff,
whatever the gross stuff is,even the gross stuff, is this
big right.
My trauma is not the same asyours, yours isn't better than
mine, um, but to be willing togo back and not be scared of it
and say oh yeah, oh yeah, andthis is the role I played in it,
and be okay with that.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
And take accountability to yourself to
yourself.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
You don't have to tell anybody else.
Nobody gives a shit.
It's not about anybody else.
Nobody cares about yourself,right?

Speaker 1 (19:38):
and and being curious enough about yourself to really
like unpack all of that right,it's not.
There's not like one size fitsall.
Yeah, spirituality, that likeokay, now you're on this side,
now you do that everybody'sjourney is completely different,
absolutely.
But I do think it'sunderstanding the energy and the
positive energy and the impactthat you have on the world and
being in, you know, service andjust all of these different

(19:59):
concepts that kind of cometogether and we do still have
bad days, you do still havethings.
Spiritual people still have baddays, absolutely, but I will
tell you, for me, it is ano-brainer as far as which side
of that I want to be on becauseit is such a beautiful thing to
know who I am.
Yeah, not to have it maskedwith a bunch of numbing and a
bunch of other shit.
Not to not be able to feel myemotions?

(20:20):
Yeah, not to be able to justall of the things that I used to
be or to tell your story.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Oh God, just tell the story.
There's no shame in telling thestory.
Actually, people will see youmore as a real person.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
Yeah, this has been.
This whole podcast has been avery vulnerable thing for me
because I went from beingprivate, not even having social
media, like not you know likeall of that.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
I mean bravo Right.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
To now what I call showing everybody the inside of
my asshole.
You know because I literallyjust say all the things.
It's a visual.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
I'm an intense person .

Speaker 1 (20:54):
Everyone that knows me knows that I'm an intense
person, but being saying all thethings right and it feels
comfortable to say here, andthen someone will text me from
outside of that and say like oh,I heard your pot.
And I'm like oh fuck, I forgetthat they published.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Everybody's heard it.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
Everybody knows that.
But yeah, but that's okay,because I see the impact that
this podcast has.
No-transcript wow, that's,that's incredible.

(21:30):
Let me, let me go inside onmyself or let me go all in on me
.
That's all I care about.
So just being able to share the, the knowledge that I gotten.
I think I spent like the lasteight years really just every
piece of self-improvement,anything I could do, whether it
was traditional therapy, whetherit was self-improvement books
or podcasts or retreats andayahuasca and Reiki and breath

(21:52):
work.
I have been a junkie that isjust obsessed with it because I
have to find the right thing.
It makes me feel so good and sonow I just want to share it
from the rooftops because it'slike hey there's a different way
.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
You guys, we don't have to do this hamster wheel,
and it doesn't have to be ugly,right, it doesn't have.
Everybody feels like thistrauma has to be so ugly to get
it out, and it doesn't have tobe that way.
You know, you don't have to belaid in a ball, curled up on the
floor crying during abreathwork session or during
I've not done ayahuasca but apsilocybin journey.
You don't have to do that.
There's so many ways to gothrough healing this trauma or

(22:31):
just acknowledging it andnoticing the trauma.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
The self-awareness is the biggest piece of that, it's
huge.
What would you tell people?
Maybe people who don'tunderstand, people that are
curious, like what are somethings that they can do just in
their everyday, doesn't cost anymoney, don't have to go
anywhere to do anything likewhat are some suggestions?
How about sit outside, sitoutside.
How about sit outside With nophone?
No, no phone, no music.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
Can you sit outside and just be present with
yourself.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
I think that scares a lot of people.
It's so scary.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
It's so scary and I'm the queen of that.
I'm addicted to it now.
I'm addicted.
I've always been addicted to it, but now I've given myself
permission that it's okay to sitoutside and do nothing.
And when people come to methey're like I need to meditate.
I'm supposed to meditate.
I don't meditate.
What am, what am I?
I'm like why are you trying sohard, right?

(23:21):
Isn't meditation aboutconnecting back to yourself?
You don't have to sit there andohm for 30 minutes.
It's lovely to get there, andit's you know?
You get an awakening at times.
There's some great informationthat way from your higher self.
But what's wrong with justsitting outside and being in
nature, with source, with whathas been created for us, and
being quiet and having yourlittle mushroom coffee, which is
me, and sitting and watching mydogs chase birds it's the best

(23:42):
day ever.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
I told, I told my husband the other day.
I'm like I get bird watchingnow like I totally totally get
it.
I used to think like oh, that'san old people's thing, and like
blah blah blah with thebinoculars I'm old now whatever,
but I totally get it yeah,there's something so lovely
about just connecting with thatthey're so happy to them chirp,
or or going and sitting at thebase of a tree and just being
we've spent so long and oursociety is so into numbing,

(24:04):
numbing with yeah, booze withalcohol or booze and alcohol are
the same thing they're the sameflash to everyone.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
I could see how they could be different as well booze
, you know food, uh, scrollingon your device getting hot,
whatever it is.
Avoidanceance is huge and Iwill avoid everything I'm.
There's no perfection here.
I have avoided so much and Iwill still avoid.
Like I'm avoiding doing mytaxes.
I'm just saying it.
I don't want to do it, I justdon't want to.

(24:31):
But if you can get rid, if youcould take all the substance or
the the fake stuff that keepsyou busy and be present with
yourself long enough, that'swhen all the good stuff happens.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
It does, that's when all the yummy stuff happens.
That's the awesome sauce on theother side of that, but it is
really hard to lean into that.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
There's billions out there that won't right.
The society is so ego.
It's such an ego-based societythat there's no presence.
Nobody is having compassion andpresence for themselves.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
We need to.
We need to change that as acollective, because I think
that's the answer.
We have to change it one personat a time.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
We do Right, just one soul at a time that walks in
the door for me and it's it'sallowing them to see things
differently for for an hour oran hour and a half, and then
they go out and something'sdifferent.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Tell me about, so I, I call.
I call it when you go frombeing asleep to not being asleep
, you're awakening.
Yeah, Mine you know wasobviously hitting my rock bottom
with drinking and going and Iwent to an excellent rehab
facility that had Reiki breathwork like all of these things.
That really kind of pointedthings out to me as far as what

(25:36):
was really wrong with me, what Iwas hiding, what I was numbing.
Tell me what your awakeninglooked like or what your.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
I think there's so many layers of it, sure, sure,
sure, so many layers ofawakening, and I'm not even sure
there's one space anymore thatholds.
What was the awakening?
Because I think that theawakening still is happening and
I think, for as long as I'vebeen doing my job which I don't
consider a job, I consider it anextension of who I am I think
I'm just awakening where you'reso happy with everything, even

(26:06):
though you've gone through somuch.
So when did it start?
I'm really not sure.
I know that it was anaccumulation and a buildup of
getting married and having kidsand loving that job.
So I, that's my favorite jobI've ever had and I, I own that,
I love it.

(26:26):
My kids still know, I stillhave adult children living with
me because they know I love it.
And then things started gettingharder and I don't remember when
, but I started getting anxietyand panic attacks and that for
me was was a wake up call.
It was somebody who's trying toget my attention and I'm not
paying attention.
So it builds up.
And it builds up where it'sgetting worse and now I'm
diagnosed with panic disorderand I'm like where I don't even

(26:46):
know where this came from.
Have I always had that like I'msitting here, so in the panic
and anxiety that I'm not seeinganything else, which leads to a
true nervous breakdown, and thenervous breakdown was panic and
anxiety that would not go away,and somebody now looking back,
somebody saying something's notright.
We're going to change this foryou and we're going to make it

(27:07):
look really bad.
And so I think only in the lastmaybe five years that was 2011,
the last five years, I'vefinally figured out, like
somebody's trying to tell mesomething and you're not hearing
us.
So we're going to make this badagain and again, and then again
.
And then that started the demiseof my marriage.

(27:28):
And it wasn't me that startedit.
It was somebody not emotionallymature enough to help their
spouse through a situation thatthey were going through, which
caused a disconnect, and thatgot worse and worse.
But I wasn't going to leave,girl.
I'm in this.
So God, creator, universe, callit what you want Source is like

(27:48):
we've got to make somethingelse happen, so let's throw in a
third party and change theentire thing.
And that's what happened, and Iwas literally left, and I'm not
afraid to say it.
And that's my happened, and Iwas literally left and I'm not
afraid to say it, and that's mystory and my version, and I
lived it and I have no shamebehind it.
Somebody walked out on me andleft me with teenage boys.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
How long had you been married when that happened?

Speaker 2 (28:10):
I was married for 19 years when that happened.
So, and then was led throughlimbo, emotional limbo for about
a year and a half where Ididn't really realize I was
getting a divorce.
I didn't know, everybody elseseemed to know.
So yeah, so I think that thatsurvival technique that I always
had, I never had the chancejust to sit and like be so sad

(28:33):
about it.
I did, I threw things in thewall, I did a lot of things I
could have caught a bitch in theparking lot, but I didn't do it
.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
You were angry.
I mean, I was very angry.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Yeah, I was very angry and I don't think that
until really recently that I wasallowed to be as angry as I was
, because what is wrong with youwas always being fed to me at
the same time.
I'm like what is wrong with me?
Like what did I do?
So is wrong with me, like whatdid I do?
So I'm back to shaming myselfover something that I didn't
even do and everybody knew.
And so now I'm having this,this heaviness of people knowing

(29:07):
my entire life, and I was likelike I'm now I'm off of Facebook
, like I can't do any of this,and being in a neighborhood that
was like living, it was likeBeverly Hills, all of a sudden,
and everybody knew my stuff, andI was like I've got to get out
of here.
But I was frozen I don't knoweven what the next word would be

(29:27):
except frozen in just fear andstarted just diving into what
I'd been hearing in my mind'seye all along, but I couldn't
get to that, which wassomething's not right and you
need to fix it, and I stilldon't even know what that means.
I just went back to school andstarted going through life and

(29:48):
had the motto that I needed togo with grace, whatever grace
looked like to me that day,because I could have gone into a
parking lot and cut somebodyover it, I could have fought for
something that wasn't thereanymore, but my self-awareness
was I'm not going to chaseanything that's gone.
And so I just kept on going and, little by little, this

(30:14):
intuition that was already therestarted exploding and I knew
that something more washappening.
I still had no idea what I wasdoing Went to school, took some
Reiki classes no reason I haveno idea.
I didn't know what it was Tookfour other energy modalities
Still don't know what it is Justhaving a good time Trying to
raise two boys by myself, tryingto sell a house, trying to get
divorced which took a year and ahalf and not doing well through

(30:36):
most of it, and having panicattacks and having anxiety.
And then it got better.
And then it got better a littlebit more, and then it got
better a little bit more.
I had no intentions of everworking again in my life.
I didn't know I'd be doing thisfor a living.
I thought I'd be working atCostco.
That was always my backup plan.
Well, I can go to Costco andget a job.

(31:03):
I don't know what it is aboutCostco, which is an energetic
nightmare for me now.
Oh my God, there's no way Icould even walk For me to say
that this is my backup.
My backup plan was to go towork at Costco I don't, I don't
know why.
It's the only thing that I canthink of.
That was going to be my savior.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
That's so funny.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
Now it is like my nemesis is Costco.
Because why?
Now I'm reading energy and Ican walk in and feel the
collective of that entire placeand I have to stick to the list
get in and get out, yeah, but atthe time that was.
My backup plan was that I'mgoing to raise my kids and go
work at Costco or Trader Joe's.
They seemed really happy there.
It was my two options.
And one person said to me Iknow you've taken all these

(31:40):
classes and you just graduatedin integrative healing arts,
don't even know what that means.
I just made it through theseclasses for almost three years
and she said why don't you comework for me at one of my spas?
Just come, you can hang out,you can do some Reiki if you
want, you could talk to people.
I'm like, ok, I'll just go talkto people.
And that's how it started,where people just wanted to come
and sit in my room and justchat with me.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
How many years ago was that?

Speaker 2 (32:03):
Nine.
Eight or nine, yeah, eight ornine, and then realized I'd been
doing that the entire time.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Right, isn't that funny.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Always.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
So I find myself at this place where what I find
myself doing, which is holdingspace and helping other people
be their best versions andhelping them level up, and all
of this stuff I look back andit's like I've been doing this
the entire time.
I've been doing this the entiretime but I didn't realize that
that's like valuable eitherValuable and my gift right, my
energy is my gift.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
My energy is my.
I love that.
My energy is my gift.
My kids will still tell you andthey are 26 and 23 now they
will still tell you that whenthey were little, I could go to
Target and they'd be like how doyou make friends?
Wherever you go?
I'm like, I don't know.
Your energy is magnetic.
Yeah, it is, Energy is magnetic.
So if you're going to put outbeing a bitch at Target, that's
what's going to come out Athousand percent.

(32:51):
If you're walking through therehaving fun with your kids and
you say hi to people who walk by, because that's who I am,
that's what you're going to getback.
And so I was making friendswherever I went.
Then I started working in thesekids' classrooms.
I was that mom.
I worked in that school 30hours a week, for free.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
And every kid wanted to sit with me.
And I was like okay, I'm doingthe same thing now, it's just in
a different place, in adifferent space, and I'm doing
it for a different reason adifferent space and I'm doing it
for a different reason.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
When people realize, you know, for the listeners who
don't know how to get to a placewhere they are starting to kind
of have this more positive orhow do you like get, how do you
get off the starting block?
Right?
And for me it's think aboutwhat you're putting out there
and really realize that what youput out there is what you're
going to get back.
Yeah, so if you're the personthat's always complaining about
the weather or the traffic orthe whatever, it is right your

(33:42):
circumstances in life, traffic'sgoing to be worse that day, and
also traffic and weather.
FYI is low-hanging fruit.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Absolutely Like.
Stop it's dense energy.
Get rid of that shit it is.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
It's like save your Skittles.
I think I've told you about thethe skittles analogy.
Right, it's just energy to me askittle.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Save your and by the way, the weather in arizona is
the same every day, so we don'thave anything to talk about
exactly, and if you're going tocomplain about how hot it is
every day, move to a differentstate.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Yes, like we don't want you here.
I'm so sorry, it's annoying,yeah, the weather is what the
weather is.
Isn't it amazing that the bigguy made this happen and we
chose to be here?
Yeah, that the sun came up thismorning and, like we live in
disneyland?
Yeah, and yet we still comefrom as a, as the majority of us
come from this place of like oh, what's happening today?
I?

Speaker 2 (34:25):
gotta do this.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
I gotta do that.
It's like change your fuckingperspective I get to do this.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
Instead of listening to the shouts of the world,
listen to the whispers of yoursoul.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
And what is the soul telling you?
That's a little.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
Will you say that again, because that's actually a
really beautiful thing that isactually my signature, like
that's my, that's my wholemantra is don't listen to the
shouts of the world, like listento the whispers of your soul or
the whispers of your innerguidance, or listen to your
heart, but the shouts of theworld is what's heavy.
Turn off the news, turn offeverything turn off everything.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
I, you know everything I don't, I don't,
consume, and I haven't for years.
And I remember when COVID firststarted happening and I was
living up north, I would get upin the morning and I would sit
in front of the news and watchthat happen and I have never
been more depressed in my life.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
And fearful and fearful.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
It feeds on all of that right.
So it's like you get to decidewhat you consume yeah, when you
realize that, take control ofyour life yeah, if you're doing
something that doesn't make youfeel good, stop it.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Yeah, like it's it's literally that easy you get to
change if you're not leadingfrom heart center and you're
leading from fear, like look atthe choices and look at the
outcomes from it, because if youcan lead your, if you can lead
your life in an intuitive way,it's so much more delicious,
yeah, than people telling youwhat to do or being afraid and
doing it because you're afraid,and that's a huge lesson.

(35:42):
That took me a long time to notlive from fear and I still live
from fear.
There's still days.
Listen, I haven't done my taxes.
I just told you that why Idon't like it.
Something is fearful for meabout it.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
We're leaving after this episode and we're going to
go do your taxes over lunch.
We've already started.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
And it's not even that hard to do.
It's that it just comes aroundand it's another self-discovery
right.
My parents had a fear aroundmoney and I'm really just
figuring that out, and so now Ihave to look at how it's
affecting me in this time andspace.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
You know what's crazy about that.
I believe that the energy thatyou put out towards things,
whether it's like the fear ofmoney or the fear of scarcity or
whatever those things are,you're literally calling that in
to yourself, right so?
I was talking to someone thispast week and we were talking
about kind of their financialsituation and they've lived in
debt for a long time and they'retrying to like figure out
whatever that looks like.
And it's.

(36:37):
You're perpetuating thatnarrative by continuing to say
that you're bad with money.
Oh, totally, yeah, say theopposite, right.
Words have weight, yourthoughts have weight.
What you put out to theuniverse will be it's coming
back to you.
You are right.
I mean, I said in the introthat that you're mirroring that
right, what you put out there.
So so, if you're not happy withwhat you're getting back, yeah,
be willing to look at yourselfand say what am I putting out

(37:00):
there?
yeah, because you're literallyjust calling it right back into
yourself.
Oh, absolutely, and when you dothat, it's powerful because you
realize I have control overwhat it is that I call out.
Right, like I've always been apositive person, I since I came
out of see- I'm the opposite.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
I've always been the opposite, so you've got to learn
how to be the other.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
You do right yeah, yeah, and for me it's.
I need to learn how to likechannel that so that it's not my
positivity is a little messy.
I get it gets on people, youknow it gets onto them.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Why?
Because it gets onto thembecause they're not in the space
.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
I know right belinda describes me I, I've, I've
allowed people that are close atmy table of life.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Don't know.
Belinda's off to my right.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
I don't know god belinda's, amazing belinda's, my
belinda's been on the episode acouple of times she is, but
I've allowed her to in ourfriendship over the last.
You know, since I've moved backdown from up north last couple
of years, we have grown so muchI don't even know.
I didn't know that that waseven possible.
Well, but, I have.
Energy is contagious, it totallyis but it's, it's being able to

(38:02):
allow her to uh say the wordsand mirror back to me what, yeah
, I put out in the world.
Yeah, and a lot of the stuff.
I didn't love what I saw,because I'm a freaking like I do
.
I know I'm like is that what Ireally bring to the table?
I'm like, yeah, I guess Ireally is you know?

Speaker 2 (38:19):
but then you just called yourself a lunatic.
What if you walked around allday and said I am a lunatic.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
Yeah, but I am in such a good way.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
Right, so you have to make sure that you know where
lunatic's coming from.
Yeah, yeah, exactly yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
But I think for me, I it's like taste the fucking
rainbow I'm going to leavelittle, and I'm going to leave
little turtles everywhere foreverybody, right, it's true
right, but it's like, it'sinteresting, because when you're
able to embrace what you bring,you know to everyone what
you're able to bring in service.
You're bringing the turtle,which is amazing.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
And today I'm like hey, anybody want you're
manifesting, like I've got.
You know, I've been in themiddle of manifesting things for
many years.
I'm always manifestingsomething, but I have one thing
that is finally manifesting forme, and all my girlfriends have
been watching me and they knowthat I'm like leaving the little
plastic turtles everywhere andthey're like you should do this,
you've got to take over, You'vegot to take over, you've got to
.
And I'm like, nope, I'm goingto watch this thing totally

(39:22):
create itself like a curatedmanifestation.
I'm not going to get involvedand I'm just going to sit back
and watch it happen.
For me that works.
You know, I'm not go powerthrough it, I'm more like let's
watch it go down, yeah, andlet's see what happens next.
And that's my gift, that's mypower, is that I just like to

(39:42):
watch it all unfold and observeall of it.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
I'm learning to be more like that.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Because, yes, I can still bring my positive energy
to things, but I can alsounderstand that it has nothing
to do with me and I don't needto control anything, like I can
sprinkle my Skittles and thenexit I love that so much and
then like whatever is supposedto happen is going control
anything, right, like I cansprinkle my Skittles and then
exit, you know, and just, andthen like whatever is supposed
to happen is going to happen andeverybody will sweep up your
Skittles for you when you're at,when you leave the room.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
I want them to keep them right.
Keep the.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Skittles and use them , do something with it.
You know, understand thatthat's possible, right.
Yeah, that's powerful stuff,yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
So your superpowers brought you to a platform that's
so different than mine?
But we're both doing the samething.
It just looks different andthere's a.
There's a need for you andthere's a need for me.
So, all of our gifts and all ofour offerings, one is not
better than the other andneither should be judged Like.
If you and I both saw poorBelinda, we're bringing her in.

(40:35):
If I'm seeing Belinda for onething, but you're seeing her for
something else.
First of all, please, like,whoever it is, belinda or your
husband, like whoever it is,share your like, work with your
people.
Like, let somebody go fromperson A to B because they might
need A today.
I might need some of AnnSkittles today, but, boy, when I

(40:55):
need to slow down, I mightcheck in with Jenna.
Yeah, and there's a need forboth of us.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
Well, and just also being in tune with that.
Yeah, you know so, when youtalk about listening to the
whispers instead of the yells ofthe universe, or whatever.
If you're able to get quiet,like you said, go sit in nature,
be quiet, let things just comeup, let your gut start talking
to you, right?

Speaker 2 (41:20):
I think we spend so much time letting our mind kind
of get in the way and our mindis a real bastard.
Mine is really it really fuckswith you real terrible.
In my tarot deck that I use,which is not a traditional deck,
there's one card and it saysguilt and I'm like I'm renaming
that it's called mind fuckeryyeah, exactly, and that's what
you're doing to yourself and Ido it to myself, then my next
door neighbor is going to do itto herself.
We are going to be in that spacebecause we are our worst
enemies and the mind can fuckwith you I can, and when you

(41:42):
realize that you can have mentalstrength and that you can fix
those things and notice you.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
You could notice, but then you can also change that
right so, so eight years ago Iliterally started.
My mind was just nonsense, likeI just felt like I was in this
hamster wheel and I startedreading enough books that I
realized like, okay, I cancontrol that, and so I turned
that into this whole my missionof okay, how do I work with that

(42:08):
?

Speaker 2 (42:08):
How do I?

Speaker 1 (42:08):
figure out how that doesn't drive me.
Let my gut, my emotions, myknowing, let that drive me
instead of my mind, and I willtell you that, being on the side
of it, where I have, I'm goingto say, 90% of it under control
compared to where I started,that's powerful stuff.
Yeah, like when you use yourmind as a tool instead of
running your life, because yourmind is always in there.

(42:28):
No, don't do that.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
It's fear-based, it's are you sure you want to do
that Exactly?

Speaker 1 (42:33):
Instead of just like no, I'm going to listen to my
gut and I'm going to go try this, and it doesn't matter whether
we swing.
You know we're going to swingfor the fence.
It doesn't matter whether westrike out or whether we don't.
At least we're going to go dothat.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
That's life and you could just, if you could just
let it go do what you feel likeyou have to do and then let it
go, Like stop controlling it.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Just step back and watch it, watch it unfold.
There's the manifesting again,like set it and and go again and
then take a step like watch it,yeah, yeah, and that's powerful
to be able to do that.
I think everybody has been sobacked into the corner with fear
of, like being afraid to tryanything new, to do anything, to
connect with other people, tosmile at people in the store.
I mean, yeah, god, covid reallymessed us up as far as our
connection, but like think abouthow good you feel when you,
when you have a connection withsomebody, yeah, when you give
somebody a hug, where it's likemy energy center and your energy

(43:21):
center, just hard to connectright like yeah oh god that
feels so good?

Speaker 2 (43:25):
do you need 12 hugs a day just to make it like to
feed your energy?

Speaker 1 (43:29):
people that go all year and don't have a hug, right
?
Uh, yes, I could be one ofthose people half the time yeah,
I think I have clients to giveme hugs.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
Right, that's where I'm getting them.
I love it.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Yeah, I love it, but that's a big, that's a really
big thing, and so it is.
We've lost that connection that, yeah, we come right back to.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
We've lost compassion and connection to others and
we've we've lost just being kindto each other lost being kind.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
We have you think about that and it's, I think
that drives a lot of stuff.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
We're really gross to each other.
So we're gross to ourselves andwe're gross to each other.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
We figure out ways to divide right, I mean, I look at
how politics divides everybody,and I don't care which side
you're on, for anything, itdoesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
The collective energy is gross right now.
It's disgusting right.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
I won't even plug into that.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Cameron tries to come home and tell me different
stuff and I don't get.
I don't really connect to itanymore.
Where I used to love that, likefive, 10, 15 years ago, I loved
all the stuff.
I love to be knowledgeable,especially politically.
I just thought it was fun.
I mean, I don't know why Ithought it was fun and now it's
like read the headlines, haveyour knowledge get out, like

(44:39):
don't connect to it, don't takeit in, don't pull that energy in
Because it's energetic.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
I don't even know what's happening out there in
the world.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
It's good, you don't need to know, it's literally my
favorite, yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
It's my favorite.
You could tell me anything andI wouldn't be surprised, Because
it's like oh, I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
I other.
Thank you for the reminder.
Yeah, so we can go right backnow to collect the collective
energy.
If we're going to talk aboutenergy, the collective energy is
crazy.
So now, how can you find againthat stillness within yourself
and that okay with yourself tonot hear the collective energy
and to not feel it, and there's?

Speaker 1 (45:15):
a lot going on out there.
How do you protect your energy?
You have a lot of people thatcome in and see you.
You talk about going intoCostco and that being a whole
thing.
Tell me tips and tricks of howyou protect your own energy.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Well, we could do lots of fun rituals and there's
lots of fun ways to do thingsand you can wear the crystals
and you can pray to your angelsand pull in golden bubbles of
light, and you can also not beafraid of any of it too and not
do any of that.
So there's this.
There's kind of this like wholewoo-woo back and forth, like,
oh, you're going to costco, howmany crystals do you have in

(45:46):
your shirt?
Oh, yeah, I've got like sevencrystals and they're protecting
me from whatever's going on.
And then there's this otherpart of me that knows that I'm
so protective because of who Iam and who am I working for,
collective like I'm, so do Ineed to be afraid?
So what I do now is come homeand be present in my home and
that helps me to ground.

(46:06):
It helps me.
Do I still go into my office ormy studio space and sage the
crap out of it?
I totally do, because whenyou're working in this field,
you're opening up to manydifferent realms and vibrations
and they kind of collect, andsometimes you might hear certain
things and bangs and talkingand dead people, whatever's
happening, whatever's happeningthat day, and so I just love

(46:30):
sage.
Do you have to use it.
No, you don't have to useanything, but I love it.
So I'm still going to do myrituals and I consider my
rituals that I do, walking intomy studio space, saging it out,
playing some sound bowls or thegong, whatever.
That's my meditation.
So all I'm doing is connectingand coming home.

(46:50):
And how do I get rid of all ofthat?
It's just about coming home forme and knowing like I can't
wait to go home, even ifnobody's there for me.
Well, there's three dogswaiting for me, that I am their
best friend, those animals andthe birds outside and my space,
and it's quiet and nobody knockson my door and I don't answer
the phone.
That's how I come back into becentered.

(47:11):
That's how that's everything tome.
Do I still go through theritual If I take a shower every
day when I get home from work?
I cleanse myself off and I nameevery person that came to see
me that day and I tell themtheir energy is going down the
drain.
I don't want it.
I'm cutting it loose.
Do I, you know, do a littleshaking off?
Maybe a little tail swift comeson.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
I'm shaking off the energy.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Yes, I do that because it feels good.
Do I go outside, in betweenevery client?
Yes, I do that.
If it doesn't happen that day,though, it's not going to
energetically change me, but tobe home and grounded for me is
my space and place.
That just keeps me going forthe next day.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
I'd like to talk with you really quickly about sound
healing.
Okay, because I love that somuch.
I can't stand it.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
It's magical, it's magical, it is magical.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
It is magical when you can really get into that.
I do a yin class with thisamazing goddess from heaven
named Linda on Wednesday nightsand I swear to God I adore her.
She plays the gong oh beautiful.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
And I was telling.
Belinda, because I drag Belindaalong a lot to that class, and
then we do dinner afterwards andI said I really want one of
those gongs and Belinda says youshould probably not just go buy
one.
And I'm like, I'm just so sheconsulted you and I'm telling
you a story.
We just talked about this.
It's gonna come.
I forgot about my job.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
I have a new job but the whole, like I picture this,
this meme or this clip thatBelinda sent me, and it was like
this jazzercise, and there'sthese ladies on these
trampolines and the lady at thefront is holding on the front
and she's boing, boing, boing,boing and the people in the back
are just regular and she's likethat's, you is the one at the
front, so apparently you're notsupposed to just go buy a gong,

(48:51):
which is what I do, is like giveme the biggest gong I can have
and then she says I spoke withJenna.
Jenna says you should probablynot just go buy a gong, also
maybe be called to the, maybe becalled so all of the things
that go into it.
And I'm like, all right, thisis, this is good lesson, this is
good learning for me.
But then she said somethingabout a bigger gong and I'm like

(49:11):
isn't the one that Linda hasbig?
And she's like no, not, that'snot what Jenna says.
Jenna says that's actually asmall one and I'm like, oh my
God, then my eyes go huge, wide.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
I'm like how big, can I get this?

Speaker 1 (49:21):
Because I have a size matters.
I'm going to say that always.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
I'm like how big of a gong could I really fit in my
new space?
Well, the gong is going tospeak to you and it's going to
be powerful for you, becauseit's what you, it's what you
need.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
It doesn't Size does not matter in a gong, it does
matter Stop.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
Stop.
Size doesn't matter, butvibrational healing or sound
healing, it's part of the personand the connection to their
tools that make the magic.
So it's not just walking overto a gong and hitting it and
it's going to be magical.
It's your intention behind itand it's your.

(50:01):
Did you see how my voicetotally changed when I was
talking about sound healing?
It did it all of my, all of mytools that I use in my space, as
I've told you, and I blend like.
They have names, they havepersonalities.
You have to learn them and theyhave to learn you learn them

(50:22):
and they have to learn you.
So we are.
This is an energy exchange.
Yes, they might be made out ofmetal or crystal, but those
things are alive in their ownway as well, and each one has
energy and each wants to be usedin their own way.
Now, this is jenna's theory andphilosophy.
Sure, you can go play somebowls somewhere and think that
they're awesome and great andbeautiful, or you can have
intention behind each one well,I want intention, but I want you

(50:42):
to go shopping with me.
So absolutely I think.
I think that you need it.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
I think that.
I think that I can't let youlose.
I think it's gonna have to havea belinda jenna.
Yeah situation.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
We have to find the space right.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
I'll buy dinner.
I don't even know where you buya gong.
I have no idea, like I'm sureI'm sure jenna does's not on
Amazon.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
I fucking guarantee you that right, yeah, I mean,
you know Amazon's lovely forinstant gratification, oh fuck.
Yes, she's going to oh.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
Instant gratification I just got you?

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Oh, it was a gut punch in the solar plexus.
Or can you be a turtle about itand find the one that speaks to
you, for you, with theintention of what you're using
it for?
Are you using it for yourselfor do you want to show off with
your friends?
What do you?

Speaker 1 (51:19):
want to do.
I don't give a shit aboutshowing off for my friends.
There you go, so it's for you.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
So why would you?
Why would you just go pick oneup off the street or buy
something that Joe Amazon pickedout for you?
No, I'm not.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
definitely wouldn't do that because I really love my
story.
Hold on one quick second.
Was that 10 or two that you did?

Speaker 2 (51:39):
Okay, thank you.
Oh, goodness, you know what I'mcoming back for.
Number two yeah, tell me Okaytell me your God's story.
So I go to a sound healing class.
By the way, in most states Ican't imagine there's a state
you do not need a certificationto be a sound healer, right,

(51:59):
it's an energetic dance and flow.
So you have to practice, youhave to learn your people.
Your people are these objectsin front of you.
Learn which mallet who likes toplay together.
It's a whole situation at myoffice.
They are screaming at me overthere and they lead half of my
sessions.
I'm not there, I'm the conduitof their healing for the person.

(52:20):
So my gong story.
I go to this class by somebodythat I love.
She was a mentor of mine andshe had a yoga studio in
Scottsdale that unfortunatelyclosed during COVID, but she had
the bowl temple, and what abowl temple is is a beautiful
space with hundreds of bowls andyou go and you just don't go in
like Ann would and say I'lltake the pink one.
No, you go in and let the bullstalk to you, and so it's a

(52:42):
whole this beautiful thing.
Anyway, so I go to the soundhealing class.
The second part of the class,week two, was the gong.
I'm like I don't want to do thegong.
I don't like the gong.
The gong is intimidating to me.
I've gone to sound healings andI've walked out during the gong
.
Really, oh yeah, does it makeyou feel uncomfortable?
Yes, and it's supposed to ittotally is.

(53:04):
If you are not ready for thathealing, if you're not mentally
ready, it's a panic attackwaiting to happen.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
It is, it's intense, it's intense.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
So do you want to own a gong, Anne, where you go and
just hit it in the middle?

Speaker 1 (53:15):
No, no, no.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
Where that's your heart, chakra.
And now I'm going to leave youwith your heart open and exposed
.
No, I want to spend time withit.
You want to spend time with it.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
When Linda plays that thing, I swear to God.
Half the time I cry.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
You can feel that energy going through you.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
It is intense, it is uncomfortable and for me, when I
feel discomfort, I run towardsit because I know that the
awesome sauce lives on the otherside of that.
It's like a breathwork session,it is right so.
So for me it's the more intense, the better.
Obviously that's.
I'm a cannonballer, yeah, I inlife.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
I want to get me to the yeah, and I'm avoidant, so
I'm like I'm out of here, right,so I'm bolting out of this
class.
Take my mat, I'll see it nexttime I come so to us by this
gong online platform that I love, and so we were sitting next to
the smallest one.
I'm like mine's small, mine'ssmall.

(54:08):
I just kept on saying mine'ssmall.
So we're learning on this smallgong and it's super powerful
and I'm like, ooh, this gong isdelicious and we are learning it
from a kundalini instructor.
So this is the space and placeI wanted to be, and why?
Because she's teaching us howto heal the body and what we can
do for ptsd with a gong andanxiety with a gong.
And we're not to hit the gongor you're going to leave

(54:30):
somebody walking out on thestreets with anxiety and panic.
So I'm sitting there day two.
I'm sitting there with the gongand I'm like I say to my friend
that I'm there with, I say thegong is saying my name.
She goes tell it to stoptalking to you.
I'm like he's talking to me.
His name is sweet little man.
Oh, my god, he's the sweetlittle man.
She goes don't give it a name,don't give it a name.

(54:50):
And as soon as I heard the name, it was over for me and I was
like oh god, I'm going home withthis gong.
She goes Jenna, you just boughtfive thousand dollars worth of
bowls don't get the gong.
I'm like, okay, you're right,you're right, I'm not gonna get
the gong.
I get very I'm.
I'm kind of like ann, I'm thekid in the candy store like I
want the gong.
So we learned for three days onthe gong.
I'm on gong overload and I gohome without the gong.

(55:11):
Wow, I did it.
I was so good of me.
I don't even know how thathappened and I started dreaming
of the gong like it's talking tome in my flippant dreams.
I'm like, oh my gosh, thatsweet little man is calling my
name.
Tuesday class ended.
Sunday Tuesday I call thestudio.
I'm like, hi, this is JennaDiGiuseppe.
She's like it's the only oneleft and I went I'll be there in

(55:34):
10 minutes.
And I went and took that gongand he is the most powerful
thing I work with and not I'mnot even afraid of him.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
I love the gong.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
I love the gong and then I started learning more
about the gong and that gongtaught me how to help others
with it.
It wasn't me saying we're gonnado this today, let's get
rocking.
It was more like stay inyourenna, I've got this, but go
ahead and hit me right and whenit calls you right, then answer
it, yeah answer the call.

(56:05):
So it's.
It's amazing when you have aconnection with when your best
friends are musical instruments.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
Yeah, and they are well, there's something so yummy
about it for anybody that yummyis my favorite word about it
yeah, if there's anyone whohasn't done kind of a sound
healing anything, I highlyhighly highly recommend that you
do that.
And also like for our listeners.
I think a lot of people don'trealize all of the different
options and opportunities thatare out there.
Look around at your local yogastudios, and I don't mean like

(56:34):
yoga, fitness yoga.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
I mean yin, restorative yoga, sound healing
yoga, trauma yoga.
Like whatever it is, nidra is abeautiful practice.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
And just go do that, figure out where you can go plug
in, because then you're alsoaround other people that have
similar interests, that are alsoin a space where they're trying
to be their best versions andtheir best selves and figure
things out, because they alsodon't want to be and find the
teacher that also aligns withyou.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
Yeah, because I can go to that gong class.
That doesn't align with mebecause somebody doesn't know
what they're doing.
Not that I would have knownthat they didn't know, sure, but
had just gotten me to thatpoint of panic where I was like
out, jenna, out.
Find somebody.
If you're interested in goingfor energy healing, find
somebody that does both thatenergy healing.

(57:24):
Find somebody that does both.
That energy healing is alsosound healing, it's one and the
same.
Find somebody who morphs theirwhole sessions together and
gives you a personalized healingjust for you, so the bulls can
talk to you and not a collectivegroup of people laying on the
floor I'm literally addicted toit's awesome, all of the things
like me too, all I'm addicted toall the things.
Yeah like, I understandcompletely how that would happen
, because as soon as I startedtalking with belinda about gongs
, I was like I'm gonna have togo, you're gonna have to think

(57:47):
about what the intention isbehind it and what you want it
to do for you, and then knowthat there's not just gongs
there's.
There's sonic gongs, there's,there's now you're gonna blow my
mind I know so, and I don'tthink I'm even the one who knows
everything about them.
I was called to one that wastalking in my ear.
They all talk to me.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
It's such a problem do you play the gong for
yourself?
No, I should though I wasthinking the same thing like I
guess I love the gong, but it'slike what I play it for myself
or to me, it's way morebeneficial and enjoyable to be
able to receive stuff.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
And what I've learned from playing all of my
instruments during session.
Yes, I am benefiting from allof those beautiful sounds that
are going through.
I don't hear it the same waythe other person does, so there
are many times where I'm playingbowls and I'm like is this
thing on over here, Like I can'thear it.
So I'm so close to theinstrument that I'm not hearing
the resonance and dissonancefrom the notes to go into my

(58:41):
body and work that magic.
It's still happening for me.
I'm just not hearing it thesame way you are.
I'm not feeling the goosebumpsall over the place, or I'm not
feeling the anxiety somebody hasfor it.
I'm too close to it so I'mgetting the benefits but I don't
hear it.
So to play it?
Um practice?
Yes, sure, but it's differentor it's different.

(59:04):
It's different, and you know wholoves the gongs.
Dogs love those gongs, oh mygod.
So if you're going to play foryour dogs, they will like that.
Do that do that and know whatyou're doing.
Excellent, yeah well.
Thank you, jenna, for comingtoday and spending time this is
lovely.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
I'm sorry.
It was fun.
I geeked out on the end thereabout some sound healing stuff.
Excellent, I love sound healing.
I know I do too.
Well, and that's going to be mymay I suggest for this week.
So usually I try to do a may Isuggest to the listeners.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
Oh, I love that.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
And so my may.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
I suggest is twofold.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
It's leave your.
Go to a tree that calls to youGo anywhere and go sit, put your
feet in the grass, like just dothat and sit, and maybe you
only can do it for five or tenminutes, maybe you can do it for
30 seconds.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Exactly Whatever it takes, whatever works.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
But realize how good that feels and it starts
unlocking things.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
The other thing I wanted to suggest is, if you go
on Spotify, you can, or whateveryour music app yeah, you can
type in sound bath sound healing.
You know, bowls sound bowlswhatever, and just turn that on
and listen to that instead ofjust having crazy noise, right I
?
Agree, there's all thiseverything all the time TVs and
phones, and you know socialmedia and everything that you're

(01:00:10):
on.
Put that on and then just letyour mind wander right, because
it's actually really beautiful.
What will happen from that?

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Absolutely, I love that for you.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
Yeah, I do too.
From that, absolutely.
I love that for you.
Yeah, I do too.
So, okay, well, good, well thenthat's our time for today.
Um, if you have questions orsuggestions, please either send
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Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
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feel like.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
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Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
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