Surviving Everything Life Throws at You

What happens when life hits hard before you even know who you are? At just 26, Brescia Dover has faced anorexia, bipolar disorder, and cancer, yet her story is one of deep transformation.

After a fall in fifth grade triggered an eating disorder, it wasn’t traditional treatment but a horse named Blue that helped her heal. When bipolar disorder brought psychosis, she rebuilt a life that protects her mental health. And when cancer came at 20, she found unexpected perspective and strength.

Now thriving as a business owner and podcast host, Brescia shows that vulnerability is a superpower. This episode is a reminder that even our darkest moments can shape powerful purpose.

This podcast dives deep into real, raw topics—think vulnerability, triggers, and childhood trauma. But just so we're super clear: I’m not a licensed therapist, mental health professional, or anything close. I’m just a human sharing stories, lessons, and life hacks based on personal experience and a whole lot of curiosity.

So, while you might find some golden nuggets here, this is not therapy and should never replace professional mental health care. If you or someone you love is going through it, please—seriously—reach out to a licensed therapist or healthcare provider. You deserve the real deal.

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· 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline (U.S.): Call or text 988
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· Therapy Directory: psychologytoday.com
· Crisis Text Line: Text HOME to 741741

The opinions expressed on this show are ours and ours alone—no official organizations are responsible for what we say (or how much we overshare).

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:07):
I'd love to help you get vulnerable.
Let's get naked.
Hey everyone, I'm Anne.
Welcome to the let's Get Nakedpodcast, where we dive deep into
vulnerability.
In this space, we'll explorewhat triggers us, uncover the
patterns holding us back anddiscover how to take charge of
our own growth.
If you're ready to dig in, bevulnerable and face the tough

(00:30):
stuff, then buckle up.
It's time to get naked.
Do you know what it's like tofight for your life before
you're even old enough to figureout who you are?
Because she does.
While her peers were outbuilding futures, chasing dreams
and posting carefully curatedsnapshots of their joy, she was
facing cancer, the kind ofdiagnosis that cracks your world

(00:52):
in half, the kind that doesn'tgive a damn how young you are or
what plans you had.
It wasn't just the disease orthe treatment, or the
never-ending cycle of beingpoked, prodded, or the treatment
or the never-ending cycle ofbeing poked, prodded and told to
stay strong.
It was the silence betweendoctor's appointments, the fear
no one could see.
The way people tiptoed aroundher made her feel like a walking

(01:15):
tragedy or, worse, completelydisappeared because her pain was
too heavy for their comfort.
But cancer was just one chapter.
Her fight didn't start there.
It started with somethingquieter, something more
invisible, but just as deadlyanorexia.
And here's the brutal truththat struggle is so often

(01:37):
encouraged when you're a youngwoman Shrinking is applauded,
restraint is seen as control.
Skipping meals, so disciplined,losing weight, you look amazing,
all while the voice in yourhead is telling you that your
value is tied to how little youtake up, that you are more
lovable, more acceptable, moretogether, the more you disappear

(01:59):
.
No one talks about howexhausting it is to live in a
body you're constantly at warwith, to feel proud of hunger
like it's an achievement, tofear food, to fear recovery
because it feels like failure toconvince the world you're fine
when your mind is screaming.
And beneath all that is thewhirlwind of bipolar disorder,

(02:23):
slamming between highs that feellike flying too close to the
sun and lows that feel likedrowning in cement.
Then there's anxiety,ever-present, whispering
worst-case scenarios in her ear,like a broken record.
Always running, always bracing,never resting.
She never got to just be, toexplore, to grow, to make

(02:45):
mistakes the way other people do.
She was fighting to stay here,fighting for a place in a world
that constantly tried to shoveher into boxes.
Too sick, too sensitive, tooemotional, too much.
Our guest is a human being whohas endured more than most
people will in a lifetime.
Today, we're stripping it offwith Bracia Dover.

(03:07):
Bracia is a relentless advocatefor mental health, a cancer
survivor and the powerhousebehind a growing boutique
marketing agency in Arizona.
At just 26, she's faced andconquered more than her fair
share of mental and physicalhealth challenges, but through
it all, she's discovered thepower of grit, resilience and

(03:27):
storytelling.
Whether she's sharing herjourney on social media or
bringing creative visions tolife for brands, bracia is on a
mission to make an impact, onehonest conversation at a time.
Welcome to the show, bracia,thank you.
Yeah, welcome to the show,vresha.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Yeah, I'm so excited to have a conversation with you
today because I think you'reincredible, being 26 years old
and being willing to really putyour story out there.
In the social climate that wehave, which is so much judging
and so much this gross stuffthat kind of comes out with that

(04:03):
, it takes a lot of bravery tostand up and say the things that
you do.
So I just wanted to say likekudos to you for sure for making
that part of your message.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yeah, well, thank you for letting me be on this show
and share my story andcontinually advocate and talk
about things that matter to me.
I'm excited to be here and divea little bit into what I've
been through and, yeah, I thinksharing my story has really
helped heal parts of me that Iwouldn't have been able to help

(04:34):
heal in myself otherwise, so Ifeel like that's been a very
powerful tool for me.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
Agreed.
I think being able to not haveshame associated with whatever
the ingredients are in yourrecipe right the things that
just make up your story.
I think it helps other peoplewhen they listen to that and say
, shit, I'm going through thattoo, you know, and there's a
path forward or there's a wayout, or there's another side to
that.
I think it gives hope to peopleand so I just am so happy to

(05:00):
have you here to share theconversation and, you know, let
us know what your story lookslike.
So thank you, yeah, for sure.
So start by telling us a littlebit about kind of what your
upbringing looked like.
You know you can kind ofsprinkle in where the different
things happened as far as whatage, and then we'll just kind of
dive in from there.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, so my upbringing well, I was born in
Utah, which is obviously a veryLDS Mormon-centered area of the
US, and moved out to Arizona atan early age.
I actually grew up in theMormon church and I think that

(05:39):
played a lot into some of myearly challenges in life.
But outside of religion, I hada really great upbringing.
My parents loved each other.
They still do.
You know, I have two youngerbrothers and so I was the oldest
.
I've always been reallycreative.

(05:59):
I've had a camera in my handsince I was little.
I was getting my brothers to beon these video ideas I had and
I started creating and sharingthings on YouTube and just, I
think at a young age, saw thepower of storytelling and I just

(06:20):
loved it.
It was my outlet and I'm sograteful for it to this day.
But, yeah, growing up wasbeautiful until it wasn't.
And, yeah, so kind of I say, thecatalyst or the start of my
challenges started when I was infifth grade and I fell off a 15

(06:42):
foot tall zip line and I landedin push-up position and broke
both my arms and that was thebeginning for me, which is a
weird beginning.
But after that I startedexperiencing like mental health
challenges and eventually, youknow, had my diagnosis of cancer

(07:07):
.
But it all kind of startedafter that zip line fall, and so
you know, we're not sure ifthere was like a brain damage
effect or you know, whatevercould have happened during that
big of a fall.
But really that is kind of I.
When I look at my story.
That's like where thechallenges started in my fifth

(07:28):
grade when I fell off that zipline.
So, yeah, but a littlebackground on my childhood.
Yeah, that was a scary, scaryevent, though Is your family
still Mormon.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
It sounded a little bit like you.
Maybe are not, but they are.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yeah, so we left the church when I was around 12
years 12, 13 years old as afamily, a direct family, but all
of our extended family on bothsides is still LDS and actively
practicing.
So that was a really hardtransition because, you know, I

(08:08):
can't relate to most of myextended family now.
We have a lot of surface levelconversations, unfortunately,
but yet the perfectionism thatI'm trying to unlearn still in
my life, I think, was instilledwithin me through the Mormon
church church unfortunately.
But yeah, I feel happy that I'mnot a part of an organized

(08:32):
religion now.
I like support others whodecide to go that route, but for
me and I guess my personalfamily too it it doesn't work.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
So well, and I respect people that make those
decisions instead of justblindly following.
I think there's a lot of peopleout there that they're raised a
certain way and so they justcontinue to go that way, whether
it's individuals or a family,and so I commend people that say
you know what?
This doesn't resonate with me.
We're going to go a differentway and, like you said, kudos to
anybody that wants to dowhatever you want.

(09:03):
It's consenting adults andeverybody.
Do your own thing.
But I was raised in anorganized religion as well and I
same like it, just it did notland with me and my parents
still stayed in that um goingforward.
But for me, as soon as I couldget out of the house.
I was out of the house becauseit was literally it just did not

(09:23):
work for what really felt rightfor me and so, like you said,
you're having to go back throughall of these things that were
really implemented into you,programmed into you from a young
age.
Because of that organizedreligion, there's a lot of shame
and guilt and you know, likeyou said, perfectionism and
things that you have to be thiscertain type of way that.
I just think is reallydevastating to the human spirit

(09:45):
you know, and so it's having tokind of unpack all of that and
figure out what that looks likeand get rid of some of those
limiting beliefs that were dealtto you.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
It's powerful work, though right, because then you
get.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
To do what resonates with you.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah, for sure, and good for you for finding what
worked for you and listening toyour own inner dialogue and
voice, because it is hard toleave such an organized
structure and religion andcultural background as well.
So that does take a lot ofcourage.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
Yeah, for sure.
So when?
Okay, so you fell.
What country were you in?
You weren't in the US, were you?

Speaker 2 (10:22):
No, I was, yeah, I was.
Was it zip lining?
Yes, I was in, it was.
Were you in?
You weren't in the U?
S, were you?
No, I I was, yeah, I was.
Was it zip lining?
Yes, I wasn't.
It was actually just in ourneighbor's backyard, oh shit.
Okay, we grew up on horseproperty and they had just a
makeshift zip line in theirbackyard, so I guess I left that
part out.
But you're literally holding onto, like a handlebar, climbing

(10:45):
up a ladder that's, you know, 15feet tall and then you turn,
you grab the bar and that's whenmy foot must've gotten caught
in the ladder and I must've justfallen and I lost consciousness
and kind of remember.
The first thing I remember is,you know, waking up and you know
my dad carrying me to the carand immediately taking me to the

(11:07):
hospital and but but thatlooking back now, seems like
that was like an easy chapter.
You know, like I got to putsome cast on my arms.
I got, you know, kidssignatures at school and like
they signed my cast and I felt,you know, cool, I got a special

(11:27):
typewriter to do my schoolworkon.
But what's interesting aboutall of that is how much of a
mental toll it took, because Irealized that I couldn't control
my arms.
Like I couldn't.
I was like a mummy kind ofslinged up and I couldn't feed
myself or bathe myself.

(11:49):
And I'm lucky I hadn't startedmy period yet, because that
would have been yeah gnarly, but, um, I just remember like my
mom helping feed me and bathe me, and I think that's where the
turn of events happened.
Once I got my arms back, I waslike, okay, I have control.

(12:11):
What else?
I craved, wanting to controlmore in my life, and that's when
my eating disorder started.
It manifested through wantingto control something At such a
young age I was only in sixthgrade, and this was a little
while ago, so before socialmedia and so it was really an

(12:35):
eating disorder that stemmedfrom the need to control
something versus the way Ilooked physically, which is so
interesting.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
I agree with that.
yeah, it's interesting when youdescribe having your arms in a
cast and really what that lookslike or feels like, because to
me that plays into a wholemental component of almost
claustrophobia right and notbeing able to really do what you
wanted to do, and so then, whenyou did get those off and the
control, that makes perfectsense to me, for some reason,

(13:07):
where it's like you would cravebeing able to control whatever
you could, because you wereliterally sitting kind of in
this position for, I'm guessing,six weeks or however, long your
casts were on with no controlwhile your mind was reeling
without having control over.
I mean, your arms are the mostimportant.
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
Appendages that you have.
So it's like okay, you can't doanything with those.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Everyone has to take care of you Like.
It makes perfect sense to me.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
Yeah, wow, thanks for validating that.
Yeah, no for sure.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Just did your tell me about your eating disorder?
Did that?
How long did that go on?
Did your parents have any ideaabout that?
Like you said, it happened kindof before social media was
really big, so you probablydidn't even have a lot of
resources around that.
We didn't talk about stuffbefore, which is why it's so
important to talk about it nowbecause people should understand
that they can get help and thatthey should talk about things

(13:57):
and that there's not shameassociated with kind of being in
this place where you did needcontrol.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
Right, yeah.
Well, my eating disorder reallystarted kind of just by
counting calories.
Like I was like that's somethingI can easily monitor, and it
was really not even limitingfood initially.
It was just like countingcalories, initial introduction

(14:23):
to incorporating exercisethroughout.
Everything I did, like if I wasin school and sitting at my
desk I would like lift my legsup and down to try to create
movement.
Or like if I went to arestaurant with my family I'd go
to the bathroom and do somejumping jacks and just like
these weird, subtle things thatobviously in the moment I didn't

(14:46):
realize I was doing because Ihad an eating disorder.
I just was doing them becauseI'm like this is cool.
I'm so young, I don't have muchI can control in my world, but
this makes sense to me, and soit, I mean, started
progressively getting worse andworse, to where I was losing

(15:09):
weight.
I think my parents startedpicking up on that.
I think they saw my obsessive,you know, questioning around how
many calories is in this andyou know, can we eat this
tonight because it's healthier,or you know things like that.
And I think the moment myparents found out and realized

(15:30):
that something was wrong wasthey went to see a therapist
themselves and talk about, liketheir challenges and their
concerns about me and she justsaid you know, it really sounds
like your daughter has a typicaleating disorder, anorexia and
she's like I'm going to give youthis book.

(15:51):
And my mom took the book andthat night she she always she
tells me the story about how sheread the book and looked over
at my dad and just had tears inher eyes and just said Brisha is
sick and we need to get herhelp.
And like I was so young and thiswas over 10 years ago, before

(16:15):
there was really eating disorderclinics for young girls, and so
they had no idea where to start.
I had no idea where to start andwe ended up starting with
therapy for me, seeing anutritionist trying to just take

(16:36):
a gentle route to helping meget better, and nothing was
working.
So I ended up eventually kindof needing to be an inpatient,
kind of needing to be, uh,inpatient at a.
I was at Phoenix Children'sHospital and I mean, it was a
long road to get there, but onceI was there I desperately
needed help and um, so yeah, Ispent, um, I spent Christmas Eve

(17:02):
when I was a little girl, inPhoenix Children's Hospital and
in the, you know, psychiatricunit and it was really scary.
You know, that was the.
That was the first time that Ihad been exposed to something

(17:22):
like that and I just think, youknow, being so young and just
thinking you're doing somethinggood for yourself and then
letting it spiral into somethingthis big was really scary.
So yeah, so yeah, got out ofcontrol, yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
Yeah, literally it's so interesting that you're
sitting here because I have a25-year-old daughter and we
dealt with some stuff that wasvery similar to what you're
talking about, and so listeningto you talk about it from your
perspective is helping me heal alittle bit, just because it's
so scary as the mom of somebodythat you know, we were also at
Phoenix Children's and then didsome outpatient stuff or

(18:02):
inpatient stuff I guess, but youfeel so helpless you know, and
it's like how can I help her?
But you're looking at all ofthese things where the behaviors
that you're talking about andthe, the control and the
obsessive, that doesn't just youdon't just say like, oh, I'm
not going to do that anymore,that's literally spidered into
your entire life.
And so, as you are starting tokind of heal that with whatever
modalities, you are starting tokind of heal that with whatever

(18:24):
modalities you are, that's a lotof work and I'm sure you
unearthed all sorts of thingswhile you were doing that to
kind of figure things out.
What did that look like as faras just the recovery for that?
Did that go on for a long time,like what did that look like?

Speaker 2 (18:39):
So I was eventually discharged from Phoenix
Children's Hospital after NewYear's, discharged from Phoenix
Children's Hospital after NewYear's, and I kind of spiraled
again.
And I remember, before thingsgot really out of hand again, my
dad looking at me and justbeing like you know, bracia,
before we go back home, are, areyou gonna be able to get a hold

(19:02):
of this?
Like is this, are you gonna getbetter?
And I was like, yeah, likethat's my plan.
And I actually started kind offalling in love with horses
during this time and my parentssaw that that was kind of the
one thing that brought me joyduring all of this.
And so they put me in horseriding lessons in an area near

(19:25):
our home and I really my goalwas to like get back around the
horses.
So I knew I had to eat more andlike try to get better so I
could be around the horses, butcouldn't get, you know, well
enough to get to that point.
So I ended up going to DenverChildren's Hospital, which had a

(19:46):
specialized eating disorderclinic for younger boys and
girls, and spent time there.
Kind of same story all overagain.
And ultimately my dad was likewhat would help you?
Like what is going to help you.
Bracia and my aunt and unclehave a ranch in Cody Wyoming and

(20:11):
he just saw how much I lovedbeing around horses and he
talked to the doctors that I wasseeing and he said look, I you
know, nothing's working.
We're not getting anywhere withBracia's eating disorder.
What if we give her theopportunity to go to Wyoming, be
around horses and see if shecan get better from there?

(20:34):
And they were like no, don't dothat bad idea.
But he went against theirrecommendations and I ended up
spending a summer in CodyWyoming and fell in love with
this horse named Blue and helike I didn't think this was
possible until I met him, but Ifeel like he literally took my

(20:57):
eating disorder away from me and, um, he's no longer with me but
like just being around him andI think about him pretty much
every day and I feel like he'skind of my guardian angel
looking out for me.
But he is.
I think we helped each otherand I really believe in life is

(21:23):
to have a place for girls tocome to and facilitate that with
horses and a safe space, and sohorses is what healed me
throughout my journey with myeating disorder.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
That's so beautiful that you say that he took that
from you, because I reallybelieve that equine therapy is
so big it's.
It's there's such beautiful,amazing creatures that there's
something about being aroundthem that's so calming and so
peaceful and just being able toreally connect on on that level.
That's incredible.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
Yeah, it is.
It really is beautiful.
There's I mean, I've seen likeso many quotes about this, but
like a little girl and a horse,the connection there is so
strong and there are these huge,powerful animals that could
step on you and hurt you, butthey don't.
They're really sensitive toyour emotions and they can feel

(22:19):
your energy.
So it's really beautiful.
They can yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
Okay, so that's excellent.
That worked for you to be ableto have that, and lovely that
your dad was willing to goagainst what they were telling
him and really listen to his owngut, to say this is what we're
going to do.
More people need to be like that.
I think a lot of times we havepeople that kind of go through
life like zombies and they'rejust doing whatever they're told

(22:44):
, and it's like we're meant tokind of go through life like
zombies and they're just doingwhatever they're told, and it's
like we're meant to kind of likefeel in our spirits what feels
like the right thing, right.
And as your dad, he's yourprotector, he's the one that's
supposed to be helping guide youor your parents.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
Right.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
So, then, being able to make that decision, even
though it wasn't maybe thepopular one, or maybe it was
going against what they wererecommended to, but that's,
that's powerful stuff.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
It is.
Yeah, I feel really gratefuland fortunate to have the
parents I have, because they Imean they never looked at me
like I was weird or differentthroughout any of my mental
health challenges and I'm surewe'll talk about you know my
other experiences but theyalways were just trying to help.
And our whole family is justhuge mental health advocates

(23:29):
because of my challenges, mybrother's challenges, my dad, I
mean we've all had our fairshare of mental health
challenges, and so we just areopen books and we just share our
stories however we can, I thinkthat's so important in families
, especially because that'ssupposed to be your safe space,
so to be able to have that bewhere your mom shares her

(23:49):
struggles with you, or, viceversa, that you so that you
don't feel so isolated, becauseeverybody does have different
things that they're dealing with.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
You know, I was not a person that really dealt with
that when I was growing up.
I had a whole my own pile ofbullshit, but it didn't have to
do with that.
And so when I was dealing withthat with my own kids, I'm like
I don't know anything about allof this, you know, and so
gathering the information andbeing able to talk about stuff,
I think is the most importantthing of just.
You know, tell me and I'vegotten better about that as I've

(24:19):
gotten, you know, further inlife I had kids very young, so I
wasn't like the best one to be,like, hey, let me figure it out
, I was just trying to keep thewheels on you know and so but I
think that open communicationand that being able to talk with
one another, especially in yourfamilies, about the different
struggles that you have, withoutshame, without guilt, without a
lot of those things thatunfortunately come with a lot of

(24:40):
these types of things, yeah,it's important.
Yeah, for sure, I agree withthat.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
Your folks live in Arizona?
Well, actually, no, they livein Mexico now.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
Oh okay, full time, oh, good for them.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
Yeah, the Baja, and they're doing real estate out
there.
They're loving life and I guesson the day we're recording this
episode they are in town today,but they, um, they come to see
us because my brothers and I allstill live in Arizona, so they
come to town to visit sometimes,but they're empty nesters just

(25:13):
living their life in Mexico.
I love that so much, myyoungest is 18.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
He's getting ready to move out, move on with his life
, and it's just like, oh, thisis going to be so much fun.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
A new chapter begins.
Yeah, yeah, awesome yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
Okay, so what age were you when you went, when you
were in Wyoming for the summer?

Speaker 2 (25:30):
I I think I was around like 12 or 13.
I we had already startedleaving the Mormon church and
once the chapter of my eatingdisorder was closed out, I
really got into riding horses.
I did rodeoing.
I gave horse riding lessons togirls in our neighborhood and,

(25:53):
like just loved, loved beingaround horses.
Eventually, when I got intohigh school, you know, we had to
sell the horses because I wasjust too busy with school and
events.
I was the only one in my familywho knew how to take care of
the horses.
They're expensive to keep.
I actually ended up sellingBlue.

(26:15):
I remember watching him withhis new owners driving away,
just tears coming down and justwishing I could have kept him.
He's probably, I know like nolonger alive, but um.
But I'm so grateful for thatchapter because I think, like I
love, you know, I love what I doin my career today and I also

(26:38):
can't wait to someday take whatI've built with my career and
turn it into something down theroad with horses and equine
therapy.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
So it's incredible to me when I talk to people and
and they tell me about whateverthe, whatever the components
were that kind of make them whothey are and then they turn that
into kind of their mission tobe able to give back to the
collective.
You know, I think that that'swhat it's all about, right,
totally.
So I commend you for that.
That's awesome, that's whatit's all about right.
Totally so.
I commend you for that.
That's awesome, thank you.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
So then we're moving on from that.
Do you still deal with anythingassociated with the eating
disorder?
Do you feel like that wasreally kind of a chapter that's
closed now?
I know some people it does justkind of resolve, and I know
some people still deal with it,even if they're not active in it
, you know.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
Yeah, I know that too .
I've heard a lot of people'sstories about how it just kind
of lingers throughout the restof their life, and so I feel
fortunate that in my case I'm.
You know that is a completelyclosed chapter for me and I yeah
, I don't struggle with, youknow, thoughts of control around
food or I feel like I live apretty balanced lifestyle now
with my approach to exercise andnutrition.

(27:49):
But I, I guess I'll say I diddo my first, like exposure to
creating a video and putting iton the internet and watching the
power of a story was when Icreated a video called my
survival story through anorexiaand it it was the first time I
saw something I created go viralon it went viral on YouTube and

(28:14):
I just got thousands ofcomments and messages and a lot
of them were negative.
Like you know, just eat.
Or you know, like people areterrible.
Yeah, just like wrong withwrong with people.
Yeah, but I, I loved it becauseI was like I know, this is
engagement, so you just keepgiving me all the hate and then,
someone will back you up.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
That's a good perspective.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
But.
But I had a lot of positivefeedback from that too.
And then I think through that Iwas like I had no idea that I
could go viral and so I'm goingto keep documenting and sharing
my journey.
I didn't know what was to come,but I just knew like I'd keep
my camera in hand and documentit and then see how it could

(28:57):
help someone else.
And it ended up connecting meto like.
I met someone from Scotland whoreached out to me and I visited
her in Scotland.
Since then she had an eatingdisorder growing up and just the
power of connection, and so Ifeel lucky that.
I mean, I wouldn't wish that onanyone, but I feel grateful for

(29:20):
that experience because itopened my eyes to the ability of
storytelling by just sharingyour story.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah, and what that brings out.
Like you said, the engagementwith that or what that you know
helps other people get curiousabout, or hearing your story, I
mean.
I just I think there's so muchpower to that, whatever
engagement comes from it.
I think people are assholes forsaying things like, just eat,
you know like also for me.
I don't know why it goes backto this, but it's like when
you're, when you're growing upand your mom says if you don't

(29:48):
have anything nice to say youknow, it's like just shut up.
You know you can, if this isn'tfor you, go ahead and just
change your channel, you know.
But, um, but anyways, I'm gladthat you have a nice perspective
on that and can really see thatfrom a that's engagement Cause
for me I want to just tell thosepeople to go fuck themselves
yeah, totally we have differentapproaches no, I love that.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
I kind of I'll find some of the rudest ones, sure,
and I'll respond with a reallykind loving comment and I'll
just be like sending so muchlight and love your way.
Have a beautiful day.
I'm a cancer survivor orsomething like that, like and
just really make them feel bad,exactly it's like, and just suck
it.
Yeah, I love that.
Fuck you with light and love.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
Yes, yes, yes, we're going to get t-shirts made for
Jackie.
Yes, fuck you with light andlove.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Totally.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yes, I think that was from Allie when we were in
Sedona.
Allie, yes.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
She said that phrase before.
I've heard her say that it'sfrom her.
It's from her.
I robbed her of that.
Fuck you with light and love,and I just think that's lovely
you know, because it's like.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
I'm not getting worked up about it.
Light and love everywhere, butyou're still an asshole.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
So Yep, yeah, there's that Totally.
I love it Okay.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
So okay, so we got chasing that Because I think a
lot of people aren't braveenough to do that.
You know you fall into these.
Okay, we have to have thisregular job and like really plug

(31:19):
into something I don't lovedoing and whatever, you're young
for having your own businessand really being able to do your
own thing and what does thatlook like?
I mean, that's, that's reallyincredible.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Thank you.
Yeah, I think thatentrepreneurial spirit was like
built into me when I was youngerand it started with giving
horse riding lessons.
Like my parents weren't liketry to find a way to make money,
I was just like I love beingbeing around horses.
I bet I could like tell some ofthe girls in the neighborhood
I'll give you a lesson for $20an hour come over you know so

(31:52):
but yeah, I feel fortunate tohave found something I love
doing and be able to monetize itand then also help other people
do what they love by using mycreative skill set too, and tell
their stories.
So, yeah, I love that, thanks.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Okay.
So we've gotten through thatlove that.
That's not really somethingthat drives you anymore, because
I.
It breaks my heart for peoplewho still struggle with that as
it rears its head over and overright.
I think there's definitely rootcauses for stuff and being able
to really get that out right.
Thank God for Blue that you hadthat to be able to give to him,
because I do believe that Likethat to me is that makes perfect

(32:35):
sense to me.
And thank God those creaturesare there to be able to help us
through that stuff, because thenthat can just be part of your
story instead of something thatyou actively have to fight all
the time.
So, and just be part of yourstory instead of something that
you actively have to fight allthe time you know, yeah.
So okay, so we're going through.
Now we've got that.
What is what comes next?
What's the next big challengefor Raisha.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
So okay, so this is an interesting kind of area of
science that I would love tounderstand more of.
But there seems to be a directcorrelation between young girls
who have severe eating disorders, or boys but I've only spoken
to girls in this category andhaving that exposure at a young

(33:15):
age to an eating disorder andlater becoming an adult having a
psychotic or manic break.
And this my friend in Scotland,who I'm really close to, ended
up having the same experiencehappen to her, had an eating
disorder as a young girl andthen later on dealt with

(33:37):
psychosis, and so that was kindof the next chapter for me.
I was in high school it waskind of junior senior year,
about to get out there in theworld, and started having these
manic symptoms and like whenyou're in an eating disorder,
you don't know what's going onuntil after the fact.

(34:00):
And I think my parents werealways kind of aware of my
mental health struggles and kindof kept a close eye on me
throughout my early years andthey started seeing concerning
symptoms and didn't know whatwas going on and those things
were like hyperactive sex drive,overspending money which wasn't

(34:24):
like me, because I'm a reallygreat saver Like not eating a
ton just because not eatingdisorder related, but just
because, like staying up late,not getting enough sleep, your
brain moving a million miles perhour, like textbook mania
symptoms, and so, like senioryear of high school, it got to

(34:50):
the point where I had hitpsychosis and needed to be
hospitalized and ended up goingthrough the whole psychiatric
unit system again, which isbroken in America.
It's the worst setup and it'slike you don't know how to help
these people, so you put them ina psychiatric unit and so I

(35:12):
went to an Arizona BannerBehavioral Center and had a
psychotic episode, kind of theybrought me down from psychosis
with medication and ended upkind of being discharged, still
struggling.
But the next time I was about togo into psychosis I could feel

(35:34):
it coming on and I was trying tofight it by like keeping the
lights dim in my room, like notdoing things that would
stimulate my nervous system, allthese things that were like I'm
a senior in high school, Ishould be like doing what all
the other people are doing andhaving a fun time, but I'm so
scared about going intopsychosis again and I ended up

(35:59):
graduating from high school andgoing to a treatment center in
Tucson for 30 days, and that'swhere I learned that I
technically was diagnosed withbipolar, but not the typical
bipolar where you swing from thehighs and lows, the type of
bipolar where you just hit thehighs and so, um, I had two

(36:24):
psychotic episodes and thenexperiences with lower doses of
mania.
But what's so interesting aboutthis all is at that treatment
center I learned all the tools,resources to live a happy and
successful life with mentalhealth challenges, but I never
then had any psychotic episodesagain or any manic symptoms.

(36:49):
It was just like my juniorsenior year of high school, you
know, got the help I needed andthen I've had no symptoms of it
since.
So I have medication to take asneeded.
I it just knowing it's there iscomforting to me, but I I try
not to live in fear that I couldhave a psychotic break again.

(37:12):
But it is by far the most scary, unreal experience and so, um.
So yeah, I tell people I havebipolar, but it's such a unique,
interesting case and I wouldlove to understand more of the
science behind the connectionbetween malnutrition and, later

(37:32):
on in life, some sort ofpsychotic break.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Yeah, I think a lot of that stuff just the mental
challenges that you've gonethrough as far as experiences
that you've had a lot of that isprobably interconnected, more
so than we even understand.
Yeah, that's interesting.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
Yeah, that's probably true, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
That's fantastic that you're able to like move
through that.
Do you find that you share yourstory with other people?
Are you documenting that inyour socials as well and other
things, so that you can kind ofshare your experience with that
too, or what does that look likefor you?

Speaker 2 (38:21):
a lot of my mental health challenges.
Um, I share it cause I hadanxiety after I was dealing with
the psychosis you know, in myafter college and throughout
college dealt with anxiety and,as I was, like you know,
navigating the adult world.
But I I'm super open and I feellike I share all sides of it
and I think I haven't reallyfully processed everything that
happened during the psychoticepisodes, because it's a really

(38:43):
scary place for me to go and I'ma big advocate for therapy.
But I'm also like I've haveseen so many therapists that I
just feel like every time Ireshare my story, like open up
this box and box and I feel likeI don't want to feel like the
victim here.
I'm so lucky to be where I'm atand therapy works and is great,

(39:07):
but it's also like I findtherapy through meditating or
exercise being in nature, thingslike that.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
I think that's important for people to realize
too, because I think a a lot oftimes now we've gotten to this
place where therapy is moreaccepted.
It wasn't, maybe when you wereyounger, even you.
Even you saying that yourparents went and got therapy was
impressive to me, because it'smore of a okay.
Now it's, you know, becomingmore accepted, but at the same
time, it's not the end all beall you know, because a lot of

(39:36):
times, yes, like get the tipsand the tricks and the things
that you're going to get fromthat and then be able to
implement those so that you canrun your life right, being in
therapy for the rest of yourlife is not maybe the right move
and I think a lot of peoplejust think that that's what it
is and it's like, no, we'resupposed to unpack and kind of
fix, yeah, but the things thatyou're saying of those are hard
things to get into.
As far as what happened duringthe psychosis and really just

(39:59):
honoring your body for whenyou're ready to process that
stuff, yeah, and when it doescome up, being able to release
it, so that it's not somethingthat you're pushing back down
and then, you know, trying toignore or numb.
I mean I think a lot of timeswhen we go through things as
younger people, we push thingsdown and then we numb them
because we don't want to dealwith whatever they are.

(40:20):
The things that you've beenthrough.
These are big things, you know.
So you having the therapy andthe tips and tricks and tools to
be able to kind of navigatethat and process that so healthy
, I mean you're so fortunate tobe able to have parents that
were plugged into that andwilling to get help and, you
know, figure out topics thatmaybe they didn't understand and
that's scary as a parent withdaughters or kids in general

(40:44):
that it's just like holy shit, Idon't know what's happening.
You feel so helpless you know,to be able to help with that, so
I bet they just love watchingwhere you are right now and
being in a good place with stuff.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
Yeah, I mean, I hope so.
I think they're well.
They have told me they're proudof me and where I'm at, so that
feels good.
But I definitely, yeah, I haveto say like there are parents
out there still that don't thinkmental illness is a real thing,
and so it's it's so I, yeah,constantly thank my lucky stars

(41:16):
that they understood that thisis real and our daughter needs
help throughout all of ourchallenges.
And then my younger brother,who dealt with anxiety like they
were better equipped to helphim because of my challenges,
and I I think, yeah, if I couldjust have like a heart to heart
with every parent who doesn'tbelieve that mental illness is

(41:37):
real and just try to say likeyou've got to understand the
depths of this and believe inhow real it is, because that's
how you're going to help yourchild.
I just wish I could tell themthat yeah, no, you're not wrong.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
I mean, I think anxiety, specifically, is so
much bigger than you can evenget your head around you know, I
didn't understand that becauseI just I never really dealt with
that and I watched as I hadkiddos that have dealt with
different things where it waslike crippling anxiety and I
just didn't understand.
You know, it was like I don'teven know how to support you

(42:11):
because I can't get my headaround it.
And so really being able to dosome research and have
conversations about what doesthat look like for you?
you know, and and having that besomething where they are
telling me that they're notdoing things, just normal things
, because of anxiety being socrippling to them.
I mean it just that feels, thatfeels terrible to have your,
your kid, going throughsomething where literally is

(42:33):
limiting their life and makingtheir lives miserable.
How long do you still deal withanxiety?
Do you feel like you have thatunder control?
What does that look like foryou?
Because I know that that cankind of weasel its way in all
sorts of different places.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
Yeah, that's a good question.
I think today I have a reallygood balance on my mental health
and I think, because of thechallenges, even with anxiety,
mental health and I thinkbecause of the challenges, even
with anxiety, I live kind of alifestyle that maybe some 20
year olds wouldn't be living.

(43:06):
You know, I'm very it's veryimportant to me to start my day
like with an ice bath and likeput myself into a panic mode and
learn how to breathe through itand then, like, from there I
like to meditate and do likewhatever I can at the gym, you
know, and like try to get somephysical movement and and then I
go about my work day, but likeI don't.

(43:29):
I don't drink or smoke, justnot for religious reasons, just
primarily to take care of mymental health.
And I guess my idea of a funnight out wouldn't be a fun
night out.
It would be like a nice dinnerwith like an intimate setting,
you know, and not going to aclub.
And I feel like I live this thisway because I want to take care

(43:52):
of my mental health and I don'tfeel like I'm missing out on
anything because of it either.
So I think I do have a goodgrip on my anxiety and I still
have an open book with my opencase with my psychiatrist and
she'll see me like every sixmonths and we have a medication

(44:13):
I can take as needed and, like Isaid earlier, just knowing it's
there gives me peace of mind.
But I haven't taken it like ina year.
I just I try to do everythingI've been taught and shown on
how I can better improve mymental wellbeing and just
incorporate that into my life.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
You're, you're, I'm.
Just the more we speak, speakthe more impressed I am with you
because, being 26 years old andreally being able to understand
the importance of taking careof your body, getting movement,
you know you talk about icebaths and and you know
meditation, and I love that your.
Your ideal of a amazing nightout includes like a nice dinner

(44:54):
instead of drinking.
You know I always people arelike why don't you drink?
I?
I'm like why do you drink?

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Like tell me what adds value to your life, Because
?

Speaker 1 (45:01):
what it looks like is that you're causing your own
fucking tornado with all of thisdrama and shit that you bring
in, because you're numbing,whatever it is that you don't
want to deal with Again everyonedo your own thing, that's not a
place of judgment.
I spent a lot of years drinkingmy fair share drinking more
than my fair share, you know.
So I get it.
But I see the other side ofthat and it's like, yeah, my

(45:22):
idea of a fun time is I havefriends that come over and we do
a breathwork session onSaturday.
I'm like, hey, you guys want tocome over and heal some
childhood trauma, I'll havesnacks.
I love that, but you know what?
These are my people right, likeI'm not interested in going to
the bars and being stupid andmaking shitty decisions.
I'm interested in how am Igoing to really make this the

(45:42):
best life that I possibly can?

Speaker 2 (45:44):
How am?

Speaker 1 (45:44):
I going to have the biggest impact on other,
specifically women for me, butother people.
My calling is to women, justbecause I think I have daughters
.
All of the things that areimportant to me about really
helping women along, because Ithink we are so hard on
ourselves and we haven't had thesupport and, um, yes, we've
come a long way, you know, inthe society, uh, and in

(46:07):
evolution, but there's just somuch more to do, and so it just
takes women that are strongenough to be able to put their
stories out there, or women thatare, you know, brave enough to
say hey, you guys want to comeover and do the unpopular thing.
We're going to do some breathwork, yeah, but, um, but, yeah,
that's it's to me that's the,that's the best.
So for you to be 26 and say,yeah, I don't drink, I don't
smoke, that's not my jam yeah.
I love that.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
I love that.
Yeah, for sure yeah, so, okay.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
So now we're at.
God, tell me about cancer.
I mean that's crazy town aswell, like there's just all of
these huge things that you'vedealt with that the universe
apparently thought you were upfor handling.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
Yeah, yeah, okay.
So I was in college, I went to,I was studying creative media
and film at Northern ArizonaUniversity and I, you know, had
finished going through thetreatment center for my bipolar
challenges, was so excited to beliving in Flagstaff, arizona,

(47:09):
because I'm a mountain girl,like love the mountains, it's my
happy place.
So I was there in my secondyear and wanted to study abroad.
So I was named after a city inItaly where my dad lived for a
little period and always knew Iwanted to see Bracia, and so it
just made sense for me to studyabroad in Italy.

(47:31):
So I had the opportunity to gofor a semester to a town by Rome
and study film in Italy.
And I got to live alone in likethe cutest little apartment,
totally out of a movie, likedidn't have an elevator, had to
walk up these stairs, but justwas so special and such a great

(47:56):
experience.
Just was so special and such agreat experience.
And no one spoke English inthis town so I was like forced
to learn the language.
I mean, I'm not an expert, butI could get by and met great
people, had a great time.
And then I came home to Americaand had a routine physical with
my doctor and she found swellingon the left side of my neck.

(48:19):
And I think it's interestinglooking back, because I look at
photos of me when I was in Italyand I can clearly see the
swelling.
But I never saw it until shepointed it out, because when you
kind of, when you look atyourself in the mirror, it's
like your face and then like thebody, like it's not just like,

(48:39):
at least for me at that age Iwasn't looking at my neck.
So I, after the physical, hadan ultrasound and I was like not
concerned, I was like yeah,you're 20.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
I mean, you can't.
The cancer word doesn't evencome out in your mind when
you're 20.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Totally no family history of cancer.
Just kind of like I wonder whatthey'll find, like it's not,
it's nothing to be concernedabout.
Like no one even came with meto these appointments.
Like I just went and I was like, yeah, and I remember telling
my mom and she like looked at myneck and she's like, oh, that's

(49:19):
not good, what does she thinkit is?
And I'm like, oh, she doesn'tknow.
And so after the ultrasoundthey recommended I go see your
nose throat specialist.
And then it started to like geta little bit more real.
And my parents came with me tothis appointment and I was in
between semesters at college,but kind of gearing up to start
my next semester, so going tothese appointments.

(49:41):
And then he's like we're goingto need to do a surgical biopsy.
And I was just like, hey, thisis weird.
And I remember coming out ofthe surgical biopsy knowing that
they were going to be testingmy lymph nodes, they were going
to pull out.
I just imagine, like theselittle circular lymph nodes, but
I didn't know what they lookedlike and they pull them out and

(50:03):
someone's going to look at themand see if it's cancer.
And so you know, I had thislike neck brace on, they like
cut into there, and went homeeventually, got to take the
bandages off and then had anoffice visit with the doctor and
he walked in and was like greatnews, you have Hodgkin's

(50:24):
lymphoma cancer.
And I was like why is?

Speaker 1 (50:27):
that I was like what is?

Speaker 2 (50:29):
what's and he's like, and let me explain.
It's the cancer you would wantto have in this family, because
there's something callednon-Hodgkin's lymphoma and the
chance of someone surviving thatis much slimmer.
So this is the cancer you wantto have and I was like holy shit
, what a weird way to bring thatinto this room and how you said

(50:53):
it and I didn't cry, I justkind of sat there and I was like
oh no, like what does this mean?
I, I the initial questions comethrough your head, like how
long do I have?
What will I lose?
My what's going to?

Speaker 1 (51:08):
happen Am, I am.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
I is my hair going to , like what's going to happen?
And um, I think at that point Iwas you kind of especially with
not having a family history ofcancer.
You kind of watch movies aboutcancer, like the fault in our
stars, or, and you just think,oh, I feel so bad for them, but
that will never happen to me,like that's not, that's not

(51:33):
going to happen to me.
And so I remember leaving thatroom with my parents and they
were like, how are you doing?
Like I hadn't started crying,or, and we went out to dinner.
I like hardly ate Cause I justwas like in shock, I couldn't
believe it.
And then that night went backto their home and I just looked

(51:54):
in the mirror.
I remember putting on the Queensong who Wants to Live Forever,
and just like looking in themirror and just sobbing and I
was like, oh my like have I doneeverything I wanted to do with
my life?
I did.
I, you know, because there'skind of this gap where it's like
a lot of childhood cancer andthen after you know, like older,

(52:16):
you know a lot of childhoodcancer and then after you know,
like older you know a lot ofdifferent cancers come up later
in life.
But there's this gap where it'slike young adults don't really
get cancer right.
But, um, yeah, that's that'show I found out I had cancer and
then from there, kind of it allbegan.
I went kind of aroundinterviewing different

(52:38):
oncologists and ended up findingmy team at the Mayo Clinic and
saw an oncologist there who wasactually a leukemia survivor
herself and she took me on as apatient and we began
chemotherapy and I did lose mostof my hair.

(52:58):
I got a port and got my chemothat way and it was a really
tricky, hard time in my life.
So, yeah, that's, but I will sayI don't.
I know everyone's story isdifferent, but I they found it

(53:20):
when I was in the early phases.
So I'm so lucky that they foundit when they did.
And I do remember lookingaround during treatment and
looking at all the other a lotof women in the room and just
being like I don't have it asbad as them.
I'm so lucky and I'm so sorryfor what they're going through.

(53:42):
And now I can relate to them ona whole new level, because
before it was just if you have amental health challenge, let's
talk.
And I want to listen, I want tohear your story.
But now it's like, if you'vehad cancer, cancer, mental
health, challenge, I'm here foryou.
Like let's, let's lean on eachother, because this is a whole

(54:03):
nother ballpark yeah, well,that's incredible that you turn
it into that, though, too.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
I mean, that's a powerful perspective instead of
doing the whole like poor me andwhy did this happen to me?
It's looking around and saying,god, it could be so much worse.
I'm grateful that it isn't.
I'm grateful that we caught itearly.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
You know, I, I.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
One of the things that's so incredibly important
to me, that I preach all thetime, is having a gratitude
journal practice, and it can be,you know, however you do it
right.
It can be in a notebook, it canbe on your phone, it can be
stuff that you say, but I think,when you come from this place
of gratitude, and that's whatyou're searching for, and that's
what you're looking for Because, yeah, we all have stories,

(54:42):
right, we all have shit that'smessed up, but that's what it is
, it's part of your story.
And so, when you're able toreally take that and make that
good and then also be gratefulfor the things that you do have,
even if it's I have the not asbad cancer, you know I have the
not as bad cancer, you know, Imean it's still.
I mean that's that's powerfulbecause you're keeping that
positive uh, you know attitudetowards things, yeah, that's

(55:05):
that's really powerful and itsends a message to everybody
else that's around you too,right?

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Then you're able to really shine your light and be
that for other people where theylook and say, yeah, I can do
that too, yeah Well, yeah, Imean, and I don't always have
that mindset, but, um, yeah,definitely felt the lows
throughout that entire cancerjourney too.
But, um, I tried not to playthe victim role.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
And.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
I think you know when I felt the shittiest after
treatment and just wanted tosleep or curl up in a ball or
watch Game of Thrones and justdo nothing, like I.
Also, I think those were themoments where I look back and
I'm like that's after I beatcancer.
I wanted to start a podcast.

(55:53):
I wanted to give people aplatform to share their stories.
I knew I don't know how long Ihave.
I want to do more.
I'm not like I mean, I justlike there's been so many
amazing guests so far on yourpodcast.
But I think you know, througheverything, it's like when you
have a massive health crisis orchallenge, it's like you just

(56:15):
don't know how long you have andit gives you this new
perspective on life and you haveto fulfill your purpose, find
your purpose, follow, chase yourpassions.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
I mean you have to make money and unfortunately,
sadly, that's what it takes tokeep the world going around.
But yeah but I totally get itFiguring out a way to do that
while you're still making enoughmoney to kind of keep food on
the table but, do what drivesyou do what?
Is is your passion, because wedon't know how many days we get.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
Yeah, right, I know there's that invisible imaginary
clock, that's just ticking andso it's like I just always, you
know, even if I see a cute guyin public, you know, I'm like
just 20 seconds of insanecourage, you know.
Know, just always say what youfeel and just don't leave
anything unspoken, becausethat's that.

(57:04):
You just don't have time toregret things.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
I love that so much 20 seconds of insane courage.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
That is from a movie, from we Bought a Zoo.
I can't take that as my ownquote, but I swear that I live
by that quote.
Now you know it just.
The quote is sometimes all youneed is 20 seconds of insane
courage and I promise yousomething great will come of it,
and I think that's so powerful.
And if, yeah, it was my iPhonewallpaper for a while.

(57:31):
Yes, ma'am, yes ma'am, I havefull body chills right now, I
think if more of us lived thatway, right Like that's a
powerful statement.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
God that feels good.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
Love, that I do too, I'm going to steal that?
One, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
Because also, like when you talk to you know, for
me I'm older and I have yearsand years and years under my
belt of being a courageousasshole.
That's what I bring to thetable.
But you know, I look at likestuff with my daughters or stuff
with my kids and I really wantthem to be able to do those bold
things and not kind of getpainted into this corner of not
doing the hard things, becausethat's where the good stuff

(58:11):
comes from you know, I betyou're never disappointed when
you do that, no matter how itcomes down you know, yeah,
totally never disappointed whenyou do that, no matter how it
comes down you know, yeah,totally 20 seconds of insane
courage um tell me what you donow and how we find you.
We're gonna have to wrap up, buttell me about your podcast.
Tell, tell me how other peoplewould find your marketing
company if they're in arizona,or do you service other places
outside of arizona?

Speaker 2 (58:31):
tell me, tell me about what you're doing now yeah
, so I'm based out of phoenix,ari.
I do travel for clients, but Iam growing my boutique marketing
agency and you can learn aboutit at checkerjagwirecom.
I do professional gradevideography photography for
brands businesses.
I help with social mediamanagement management.

(58:53):
A big driving force and kind ofselling point with my clients
is it's not just creative work,it's strategic work.
So I, you know, work closelywith clients, give them monthly
analytics and just love helpingbrands, businesses, individuals
tell their story in a creativeand strategic way.
So, yeah, I'm always looking tobring new clients on work with

(59:17):
different niches and just helpthem grow in the digital
landscape.
I love that, I love that andthen tell me about your podcast.
How do people find that.
So my podcast is also calledChecker Jaguar and it's on
Spotify and Apple podcast andit's kind of a similar concept
to this show about, you know,just having the difficult and

(59:38):
vulnerable conversations andnormalizing those.
So I've had a lot of reallyneat guests on sharing their
story.
But being on your show todayhas been really special because
I'm generally not the one beinginterviewed.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
So it's weird.
I know.
I went on Chrissy Mays podcastseveral weeks ago and it's a
totally different vibe whenyou're in the hot seat, I know
it's like I'm not the one askingthe questions.
I'm like she could ask anythingand I'm the answer.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
So let's just see where this goes, I know yeah, I
wasn't nervous so much for this,but it was just like an
interesting shift because itgives me perspective on what
it's like to be in the chair,you know, like getting the
questions asked to you.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
Well, I think that's powerful work and I'm glad that
you're doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
You're wise beyond your years for being 26.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
I love to see it because a lot of times you look
around and it's like God some ofthese young people don't have
it figured out, but it's lovelyto run across some of you that
seem like you're on the rightpath.
You know Thanks, and I thinkthat makes me sound 100, too,
just so you know Like some ofthe young people don't have it
figured out.
We're going to work throughthat.
I don't want to feel 100.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
You don't look 100, that's for sure.
Thank you so okay.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
Well, that is our time for today, thank you.
Yeah, I was thinking the may Isuggest, and then I forgot what
that was going to be because I'mrunning on empty right now, but
there was something veryimportant.
I'm sure you guys will pick itup as you're listening.
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