Cory Gallup & Ross Nelson

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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Corey Gallup and Ross Nielsen.
Welcome to the podcast, guys.
Corey, this is your second timecoming back on, which super
stoked about, and Ross, this isyour first time, so welcome.
We appreciate you guys.
Thanks for having us.
Yeah, and Jordan, way to makeit through traffic back here at
my man.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Well, thank you very much.
I was a little nervous.
I thought I was going to haveto do like the Houdini and just
appear during the episode.
So it's worked out.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Yeah, it's all good.
Well, hey, the cool part aboutall this is we're all in the
same profession here, which Ireally love, and knowing that
you are back here, we have a lotto talk about.
But first, ross, since you'rekind of new to this man, let's
talk about your first second.
All right, how did you andCorey get linked up to even come
here?

Speaker 3 (00:52):
So Corey and I have worked together in the same
Italian for a while I think atleast a year or two and being in
the same department for a while, we ran into each other at
different events and things andwe were neighboring stations and
I started kind of going throughmy journey with the health and
nutrition side of things, tryingto get my life squared away,

(01:14):
and I if you guys have listenedto Corey's story in the past
from the first podcast, I wasthe A hole that told him that
just eat less and move more iswhat I was doing.
So it's that simple.
I am that guy, right?
Well, again, like he wastalking about, it's the fire
service, right?
So as soon as you do something,someone has an opinion on it.
So God yeah, so just trying tofigure it out, and we'd see each

(01:37):
other on calls and I thinkprobably for about two months
straight he was asking me whatare you doing, what are you
changing?
And that's when it finally justcame out Okay, this is what I'm
doing, and it was.
You didn't even tell me it wasBrian Roberts, right, and that's
that's where I was getting thatwith.
Is someone else that I kind oftell Corey was going on that.
Once, I think Corey approachedme and said, hey, are you,

(01:57):
you're doing this?
I'm like, yep, that's what I'mdoing.
So, okay, yeah, so that's that'show I kind of came into it with
Corey and we quickly in that,in that group that we were
working with, there is a firstresponder side of things, and so
we were kind of gettingtogether and as we were both
going down this journey together, I got to know Corey a lot
better than just the companyofficer from the neighboring

(02:20):
company, right, you know we'renow we're becoming buddies and
we're texting back and forth andcan you believe this is going
on, you know?
So it really started to grow,this friendship and bond, and as
things progressed and thingsstarted to change, we kind of
started looking at each otherdifferently, of having more
trust and faith in each other,with going with our route that
we ended up going, which isimportant, right, right,

(02:42):
absolutely so, um, yeah, andthat's what led us to where
we're at today.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
And this is.
Is this also part of the superhuman fathers?

Speaker 3 (02:50):
No, we, we started.

Speaker 4 (02:53):
It's it started.
That way it started.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
Okay, so so both we're both of you on that.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
Yes, yes, ross had his own transformation, and he
actually was doing it before Iwas, and it was by seeing his
transformation that it made merealize that this wasn't just
some guy that maybe had 20pounds to lose and then got
shredded and jacked and andcompletely changed his life.

(03:20):
He looked more like me.
Okay, okay, so it, it was byseeing him that it made me
realize, hey, I'm capable ofdoing this too.
So I see, we were both part ofsuper human, super human fathers
, which is a fitness coaching,nutrition coaching and
accountability group started bya firefighter from our agency,

(03:42):
and then we both had, I mean,pretty amazing transformations.
There was no magic pill.
It was.
It was hard to sell.
We, we did the work, but thenyou get to a point where you,
you climb to the mountaintop.
Yeah, yeah.
And a program like that, and youknow then.

(04:03):
Then you start asking yourselfwhat, what next?
Am I truly this man?
Am I capable of maintainingthis on my own?
And in the middle of both ofour journeys, ross had spoken up
about wanting to do somethingoutside of the fire service, and

(04:23):
that piqued my interest,because I had never thought
about anything like that beforeI'm.
I'm old school where you yousigned up, you got your job, you
counted your blessings, you didyour 33 years and then you
retired and rode off into thesunset and tried not to die
within two years, right.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
That's very true.
Yeah, finger crossed, yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
And so when Ross said that it was the first time that
I'd ever thought about doingsomething different, you know or
doing something different inretirement.
And so I contact them on theside and said, hey, I'd be
interested in in doing that withyou.
And then, once we both hit thatpoint in within Superhuman

(05:09):
Fathers where we were, it'salmost like we had graduated
high school and we're off tocollege now.
And now it's all.
Now the new seniors have comeup and now they're in charge of
of the school.
They're the big men on campus,and and so we, we had to ask
ourselves and, and I startedgetting curious about the what

(05:34):
goes on behind the scenes whydid this work for me?
How does the nutrition work,how does the workout programming
work?
So we started educatingourselves on that, and then I
was the first one to kind oftake the leap and walk away from
Superhuman Fathers.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
And I had zero intention of starting our own
program.
We had talked about it in thepast, maybe someday.
You know, someday is always.
Just what does Jack Johnson say?
Pretty much seems that maybe,or pretty much always means no,
or something like that.
Right.
It seems to me that maybepretty much always means no Good

(06:14):
reference.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
So you're going with banana pancake yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
So I I ended up starting a coaching app.
Well, on the same app that wewere using in Superhuman Fathers
, because I I still like theprogramming and the workouts.
Well, you can't just sign upfor it as a client, you have to

(06:43):
be a coach and then assignclients to it.
So I just did that for myself.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
You can be your own coach in this program.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yeah, Okay, so you need like an administrator type
to be able to okay.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
So I signed up for basically both ends of the
program.
I signed up as as a coach andthen hired myself as a client.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
I'm a home boss.

Speaker 4 (07:05):
Yeah, and so I was doing that on my own and Ross
was still in Superhuman Fathersand then other people started
finding out that I was no longerwith the program and then I had
my own ability to programworkouts and they said, hey, can
I you know, my membership isalso up or I'd like to join you

(07:27):
Can, can you put me in yourprogram?
So initially I was doing it forfree because I'm like, sure,
why not, I'm just messing aroundanyway.
And then it got to a pointwhere I had a handful of guys in
there where I contacted Rossand I said, hey, remember how we
talked about possibly doing ourown coaching thing somewhere
down the road?
And he was like, yeah, and Isaid, well, I think now's the

(07:51):
time, I think it's alreadyhappened sooner than later.
So, and that's how we gotstarted, heck yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
And Kyle.
He's pretty straightforwardwith it.
When we started SuperhumanFathers, he he talked about you
know, ultimately my goal is toget you guys out and coaching
and kind of feedback into themachine, if you will.
So it wasn't like we're theserenegades, that kind of went off
and started our own thing.
It definitely was fosteredthroughout the program the.

(08:19):
You kind of grow these multiplefacets of your life right, so
you get your nutrition andworkouts in.
And then that kind of exposedme to, okay, well, I got these
two things kind of figured out.
My financial house is a frickingmess and that's what kind of
got me into looking to othersources of revenue and going
down some other paths.
And that's when Corey and Ikind of really linked up on the

(08:39):
coaching side of things.
And so that's one of thosethings about a program is you
start to realize where yourdeficiencies are, and that's the
great thing about it is you canstart strengthening, improving
that.
So that's how this really kindof started.
And yeah, it.
I mean we had the same goal ofhey, look we, our target

(09:00):
audiences, first respondersprimarily.
I mean we'll help anyone thatwe can possibly so, but to pull
out as much as you can out ofretirement.
If we can pull more checks outof retirement than we put into
the system, that's a big winning.
Yeah, and by helping our guysbe healthier and live longer and
not die of cardiac relatedevents on incidents, and you

(09:22):
know, that's what we're reallykind of aiming for.
So that was having that commongoal and a drive, that that
really helped out.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
I think that's a that's really cool, that you
guys are able to key in on theyou know, and obviously, like
you're saying, the goals isfirst responders initially, and
who that extends to the peopleyou can help is amazing either
way.
But having that, you know, it'slike.
Look you, sometimes programsthat are set up create the

(09:51):
foundational, you know,awareness of the people involved
.
Right, you guys clearly haveutilized a program that has
worked for you.
You've tapped into whateverthat catalyst was that went from
where you were at before andthat was the driving factor into
getting to the healthy statusthat you are, you know, not just
okay with but are excited about, right, you know, and then

(10:15):
things spin off.
I mean that's just that's life,that's business, that's all
these, all these other thingsyou know and good for.
I don't know him personally, butobviously he's created a good
thing for himself in that.
And as things expand and, youknow, maybe ideas of what you
think individually they shouldbe will change, you know, and

(10:36):
keying in on the firstresponders may happen to be one,
you know, I like to see thatwithin our community because
it's, you know, it's inspiring,and we talked a lot about that
when you're on here last time,corey, in the backstory of what
got you started and everything,and I hope we jump into that
with you too, ross, but it's, Ithink it's inspiring and it's

(10:56):
you get to see these individualshave real time success and
making that the priority, youknow, or at least the foundation
of what you're doing.
The new foundation, I shouldsay, is it's really cool to hear
and you know, hopefully youguys, hopefully everyone takes a
piece of that and can apply itto that.
You know and like and like youwere saying, was that not

(11:18):
calories and calories?
What was?
the term Move more, eat less.
All these, all these like oneliners that we've everyone's
heard this, you know and likethere's always like working,
working on this job, and I'msure it's like a lot, but we are
exposed to the crash diets,what's popular, the, you know,
keto, this, that, that, and I'mnot knocking any of them,

(11:39):
because I'll be 100% honest withyou, I've tried them all.
Oh, we all have.

Speaker 4 (11:44):
Yeah, I'm offering like 10 sick.
You know I can see one ab youknow we're doing good, but I had
more of a pony keg going.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah, I always call it a, a, a four pack and an
inner tube.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
I was like I'm working, quite, get rid of the
hunch is here.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
My parents say it's genetic, so, but anyway, what
I'm getting at is that very coolto see you guys take that step
and, more specifically, I thinkit's cool for first responders
and you're creating a you know,sometimes, um, I think when you
see a company like the, the, thesuper human fathers you know
they had, they have tremendoussuccess in that right.

(12:25):
And sometimes when you see thatmovement goes super fast, I mean
I'm sure it's good to theindividual that owns it.
But sometimes when things getlike kind of clicky you know, at
least in this profession, youcreate like a distinction,
sometimes within the group,where it's like you're like oh,
I'm, I'm in good shape becauseI'm in this club, and that's
really not what it's about you,you, how, you're more, you're

(12:48):
trying to surround people thatare like look, look, you want to
live a good life, you want tocash out your retirement checks,
and if it so happens to be thatyou're in the best shape that
you've ever been in your life,then it's a win across the board
.
So instead of it being thislike well, if you're out, you're
out, or if you're not in it,you're you know what I mean Like
there's not this weirddistinction.
You know, like obviously we alltalk shit, because that's what

(13:09):
we do.
And that's his personality types, but it's in love.

Speaker 4 (13:13):
Right, of course.
So most of the time, of course.
Yeah, I'm just yeah, I was adisclaimer.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
I was like most of the time but, either way, man, I
think it's really cool.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
But look at the fitness industry in general.
Right, I mean like you'retalking about, like keto.
I knew the big personalitiesthat you've had.
They're all kind of a flash inthe pan thing, you know.
And the nice thing about whatwe're doing at intentional,
savage fitness is we're fine,we're using and we learned it
from super human fathers is it'sa tried and true kind of old
school method of just watchingyour nutrition, balance

(13:41):
nutrition.
We're not emitting any foodgroup.
We're not.
Carbs aren't the demon or fatsaren't the demon, and it's
resistance training Right.
There's no fasting.
I mean you can do whateverworks for you or whatever you
like.
It's a, it's a lifestyle thingand as a commuter like that's
one weird thing for me too isI'm still able to travel back
and forth from home to workwhile still hitting all my

(14:02):
nutritional and workout goals.
So that's the great thing aboutthis program is you can still
go eat out with your family.
You can still go on vacations.
It's not, you're not making anybig sacrifices.
The sustainability of it longterm is what was nice about it
and I think really works for ourprofession.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
Yeah, it sounds like a like a it's an increase of
accountability to the individual, because you have to stay on
track, but that also means youhave to do the work Right, right
, so it's not a like you said,it's not just like you're not
taking a pill, right, I wish,yeah, but you know, but having a
fundamental life approach thatdoesn't get rid of the comfort

(14:41):
measures, completely Enjoying,you know, it's like yeah, dude,
you can't hammer burgers everynight.

Speaker 4 (14:45):
Like you know, even though, I could literally every
single day.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
I'm right there with you.
But you know I just attainableis really and I think that's the
key to this success is thatit's like obviously you're going
to have to work.
There's no, there's nothingeasy with that in life, but I
don't know.
Seeing that firsthand withindividuals, personality stuff
like that, getting to know it,anyway, I think what you guys
are doing are awesome, soappreciate it.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
How much weight did you lose?
Oh, thank you, I was about toask that.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
I'm down.
At my lowest I was down 70pounds, so I started at 235.
I got down to 165 and that waskind of over the course of a
year, year and a half.
Oh wow, I lost my initialprobably 60 pounds in six months
, six, eight months and thenkind of started trying to gain
some muscle back on.
And then I have this bad habitof starting these things right

(15:32):
before the holiday.
So I am that idiot that startssomething right before a holiday
to really deprive myself.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
At least you don't wait till January 1.
Yeah, yeah, right, right, right.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
Yeah, I got a running headstart into the holidays.

Speaker 4 (15:45):
You know, there's countless people everywhere that
right now are saying well, theholiday, holidays are here, so
I'm going to wait till January1st.
So they're already thrown awaytwo months, right?

Speaker 3 (15:58):
No, two months for two days, really, yeah, I mean,
if you look to think about itlike Thanksgiving and Christmas,
right, like that's that's goingto be the two days that they're
going to want to let loose andthey're going to cut off 60 days
.

Speaker 4 (16:09):
Yeah, so I'm.
I'm down to 82 pounds at mylowest, so we're over 150 pounds
between the two of us.
Wow and it's.
We didn't do it by a fad diet,we didn't do it by whatever.
The latest fad workout programis P90X Beachbot.
You know any?
I'm sorry, I don't mean tospeak negatively about any

(16:30):
programs or whatever, but, um,we, 90% of what we did, was
mindset change and daily habits.
That's it.
Um, I heard a great quote theother day.
Uh, john Gordon was on uh, anniefor sales podcast and he said
you don't do it by doingextraordinary things.

(16:50):
You do ordinary things withextraordinary consistency.
Very good, and that's all wedid.
We did normal stuff withextraordinary consistency and
that's what we we continue to do.
So I do want to clear somethingup for anybody that might be
wondering, that knows us, thatknows superhuman fathers, that

(17:10):
knows Kyle Carnahan there is noill will, no bad blood between
us.
He encouraged us to do this.
That's excellent.
We're not the only ones to tobranch off.
Our program is inspired bysuperhuman fathers.
And he even said uh to me in ain one of the last conversations
we had was hey, I look at itthis way the more people, the

(17:35):
more men's lives we can change.
It's all good.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
Well, and imitation is one of the greatest forms of
flattery.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
Right, I mean absolutely so.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
Yeah, he, we talked to him both independently and
yeah, he was both very he was avery encouraging of us starting
our own thing.
So, yeah, there's there's neverbeen any ill will or malice
between any of us, so that'sgood.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yeah, you see his family.
Dude, You're like dude,everyone's shredded, I know
right.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
Even like his two year old daughter.
You're like wait what?
What is going on?

Speaker 3 (18:04):
Yeah, in the background, and yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Cameron push ups.
Yeah, I was scrolled throughthe five more.
Johnny, we were at work.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
I was at work over time, whatever it was, and they
had brought donuts and I'm, likeyou know, before conference
call, like cool stuff andsomeone brought down since, like
chowing on one, and I just seehis picture of his family.
I was just like I'm such apiece of crap.
But Ross dude for you man,actually both.
What was that point in yourlife where you said handy to

(18:32):
change?
There's something about me,whether it's mentally,
spiritually, physically was itall of them or was it the
physical that hit you?
I need to do better for myself.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
It was so.
I was 35 or 36 years old, justfinished my annual physical with
the department.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
OK.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
And I my youngest was maybe two or three years old at
that time so they wanted tostart me on hypertension
medications.
They I mean, I have a familyhistory of hypertension, but I
also have a family history ofcholesterol and you know, when
they start explaining all thesethings and being a medic, I
understand you know the risk ofstroke and all these other

(19:09):
things.
So you start kind of going downthat, and so at the same time I
was also shopping for lifeinsurance and they do their own
screening as well, and the sameissues came up in my my life
insurance screening.
So kind of talked with the wifeand said there's no way I want
to go on hypertension, as at 36years old there's got to be
something I can do.
I reached out to Kyle at thesame time we were moving out of

(19:30):
state.
Um, good move, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:34):
When you say you can mute, you know you're not
talking 30 minutes no no, sowe're.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
we live in our trailer for two months prior to,
while we were waiting for ourhouse to be finished building.
So kind of one of thosemornings where you just kind of
dread and get out of bed.
I was sitting there, doom,scrolling through Instagram and
the superhuman fathers ad cameup.
One of he's now a co-worker atmy station, but one of the guys
I've known for a while with thedepartment came up and I

(20:03):
recognized him and guys shreddedlike a Julian salad, like he is
just not an ounce of fat on him.
So and he's there with Kyle andI'm just like holy, I gotta get
something straightened out, andjust feeling like crap sitting
in a trailer.
So, um, yeah, hit up Kyle andstarted down that path.
And so, long story short, afterI got my life insurance policy

(20:26):
and we were paying a pretty highrate on the policy, I lost the
60, 60, 70 pounds.
I called them back up to getexplain to them.
Hey look, you know I want toget reevaluated.
I think I can lower my premium.
And they ended up dropping mymy premium by half.
Oh, wow, and they offered me anextra 10 years on top of it
because of the lifestyle changesthat had happened.

(20:48):
So, and that's without anymedications and all this stuff.
So I mean, not only there wasno even hint of hypertension any
longer, my cholesterol wasunder control.
So just in the matter of a yearI had gotten all this squared
away.
And trying to explain that tosomeone over the phone when they
look at your, you know this isa nurse that came out to my home
and drew blood and all thisstuff and got me on the same
scale and they're like, wait,there's no way, this is right,

(21:11):
you're 70 pounds lighter now,yeah.
And so, you know, just tryingto explain them the same thing,
like I didn't want to be thatguy, I've worked with those guys
that pee every 10 minutesbecause we're on the
hypertension bed and they'drather be on the med than Spit
out half a donut.
You know, make that sacrifice,make the sacrifice.
I mean, I know what the maplebar is going to taste like.
Oh, dude so good, but right, butyou've had to see such.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
Okay, I'll be with you guys.
Yeah, I also had a piece ofapple man.
It's a small bite If you cut itin 10,.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
you know a knife, a knife, and you cut the dough in
half, eat the whole donut.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
There's still this kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
And you cut the dough in half, eat the whole donut.
There's still this.
Calories, right?
No, but that change that you'vemade physically, that's also
had to take a positive change inyour what you think of yourself
, right, as far as how you feellike internally and externally,
right, yeah, I mean there's.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
It's funny because as you go through this process I
never thought I'd be a guy.
That was Body dysmorphia is areal thing, right?
I mean you start looking atyourself like, oh man, my goal
was kind of like Corey talkedabout in his initial one, like I
kind of gave myself this, thislow bar for the initial goal
with a with the uh, super humanfathers.
So once I hit that goal ofgetting down to 200 pounds and

(22:33):
I'm looking at myself, I'm likeI don't look all that much
different than I did at 235.
I mean, 35 pounds is a prettysignificant amount, but a little
bit of abdominal definition.
At that point you know yourjaws getting a little tighter,
but you're starting to look atit like man, I can really go
further.
And then you're down at 180.
And then I'm looking at myselflike, oh well, I got four out of

(22:54):
six abs, I can probably hit allsix.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
And then you start looking at it like, oh man, like
if I had a beer lesson I cantell my love handle looks a
little more bloat.
So I mean you start dealingwith this stuff and yeah, I mean
you're.
You have different problems atthat time and so getting the
balance of and we've talkedabout this a lot and we were at
a real low as far as calorieintake goes and there's a,

(23:18):
there's definitely a healthymedian in there, but overall
energy is way better.
My relationship with my wifeand my kids is way better than
it was before.
I'm not as irritable,definitely more patient with
them and kind of like what we'vegone through with our
department, you know, withstress, inoculation and things
like that, by taking that timeto be discomfort or

(23:40):
uncomfortable in certainsituations, both eating and
lifting, and all this stuffmakes it easier to be more
present for the family.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
So, yeah, that's good to hear, dude, because I've
dealt with that.
I grew up very chubby most ofmy life and you know, once I
became you know more an adult, Istarted with the Forest Service
.
You know that's just prettymuch hiking and running all the
time and then getting hiredmunicipal.
I started doing trath lawns andthen doing ultramarathon,
running 50, 60 mile runs, and Iremember kind of at the peak I

(24:09):
did this 62 mile run over herein Orange County and I did well.
I got third place.
Are you part Kenyon?

Speaker 3 (24:14):
Yeah, actually.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
There we go.
Kenyon's got the tank yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
But I remember finishing that race and that's
when I was, you know, running alot and I was probably like 178
pounds, but I still looked atmyself in the mirror and was
like you're chubby.

Speaker 4 (24:29):
I need to lose more weight.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
It was such a weird thing to finally have to really
grow out of and get through that.
That's why I always ask when Italk to people who have lost
weight, like, hey, do you stilldeal with this?
Like when you look at yourself,do you still feel like that
chubby, fat kid or adult or thefear of it, right yeah, the fear
of turning into that guy, yeah.
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
And that's because you've put in all this hard work
to get to this point, right?
It's funny because my lastangel physical, the doctor,
looked at my stats on the paper.
You know the consultationafterwards and he's like it says
here you're at 3.5% body fat.
This is usually the part wherewe start talking to our patients
about bulimia and anorexia.
Yeah, I'm not, I'm the last guyyou got to worry about all that
, right?
But yeah, I mean it's, it's oneof those things that you kind

(25:12):
of it messes with you mentallyand that's just.
Another thing is, you knowyou're worried about the mental
side of things in this line ofwork, but yeah, it's no, I feel
you that's not come on.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
I asked that because for me that's I'll go out and
run 50 miles, let's go lift,swim, whatever it's have fun,
but it's always in a lot.
Most of the parts of my lifewhere I've struggled it's been
the mental aspect.
I always had a real hard timewith that of accepting things,
accepting the change.
Like you're doing better.
It's like I want to keep goingdown to this level where like,
oh, you're just a piece of crap.
It's like, no, you've changed.
You put in the work, like let'selevate yourself here and what

(25:43):
you think yourself.
Have grace.
That's the biggest thing I'velearned in myself is have grace
in yourself, man.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
Right?
No, totally.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
I think that's like something that's and I totally
agree with you.
I think that's the hardest partwhen it comes to any kind of
you know expectations ofyourself, whether it's your body
, dysmorphia, cause, like a dude.
I'm absolutely that person.
It doesn't matter if I've beenin the best shape of my life.
I'm like I feel right, look fat.
I mean, someone takes a pictureand I'm turned a certain way

(26:10):
and there's like my stuff, youknow.
I don't think I'm a fat.
I'm, and I'm not dogging onthis, I just I'm not in terrible
shape, you know, but to methat's the only thing I could
focus on.
My wife hates it.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
We're all worth critics.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
We'll take pictures and I'll be like you know, I'll
like this is a weird angle andI'm like, oh my God.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
I look so fat Cause you're worse than me.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
I'm like, yeah, but you're lucky, you're one of
those people.
She's like you know pizza andloses weight.
It's crazy, but anyway, but Ialso think that that that
expectation of yourself issometimes can be a bad thing.
It also is what perpetuates youpushing yourself forward.
Now, the key with that, though,is you allowing those not, I

(26:53):
don't want to say negativities,but a little bit is the chip on
your shoulder the drives youmoving forward.
And then, once you get to apoint cause I and I thought what
you said was very interestingbecause it's like the overall
goal You're like, okay, let'ssay, if you're you said you're
at 230, you're like, cause I was.
I was at 225 when this wasprobably a year and a half ago,
and it can't yeah and it no thatwas the heaviest I've ever been

(27:14):
and I can give you a millionreasons of what I think are
acceptable excuses, but they'renot.
And it was after doing the, theevaluation, the physical
evaluation.
When I got it back I had thesame conversation with the
doctor and I was 37 and they'retalking about going on
cholesterol medication and Ididn't have quite have

(27:36):
hypertension issues but it wasabove where it should have been
Right.
And they're telling me and allI've ever heard with you know,
and not knocking people that areon those medications, but it
was like, oh, if you takecholesterol meds, you might have
like erectile dysfunctionissues, you might have this, and
I already have like lowtestosterone for my age anyway.
So I kind of am like thinkinglike, nah, I don't want this

(27:57):
happening to me.

Speaker 4 (27:58):
I'm too young for this.
What's going on?
Just another thing, right?

Speaker 2 (28:01):
But when you, you know so, it's like I immediately
basically crash, dieted myselfto a healthier weight or what I
thought was, you know better forme and you know, it's like once
you kind of get where you'regoing, now you start getting
super analytical about the otherthings you know.
It's like, okay, yeah, my, Idon't have.

(28:22):
You know, I fit like the 34sthat I wear are now a little bit
loose on me, which before I waslike right.

Speaker 4 (28:28):
And then put it on.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
I can still fit them.
Look, that's a finger lengthand just all these stupid things
.
You know that you're constantlyusing, whether they're where
they're influential, to help youmake that change.
Or, once you get the changethat you initially set out, for
it's still not good enough.
And I feel like there's thathappy medium of where you're
like, look, you have to be ableto be graceful in your success.

(28:52):
You know, because that is asuccessful thing, whether you're
doing it for aesthetics, you'redoing it because you're worried
about your health or yourfamily, longevity, whatever.
But you do need to be like, hey, good for you.
Now, that doesn't mean go backto what you were doing before,
because I would smash two applefritters and a cup of coffee and
an energy drink and then threehours later go have.

Speaker 4 (29:14):
You know the habit or something else, right 100%.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
And you know, but I did good this week.
Well, right, and you're likeokay, and not saying the one
offs right, because thereference earlier I thought was
great.
You're like two months for twodays because 100%.

Speaker 4 (29:26):
Right.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
So you can't do it every other day and you ate like
shit on Christmas day orThanksgiving or whatever, it's a
win.

Speaker 4 (29:33):
It's a win, because who cares?
In one day?
It's a net positive for sure.
Right.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
And I just you know sorry, circling back to where
this even started was having Ithink that's a lot of people
struggle with that of having theownership of being like, yeah,
you can also be successful aswell as continue to push, and
those two things don't have tobe separate.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
No, they're not mutually exclusive and, like
I've talked with Corey aboutit's, we were really bad at
moderation in the beginning,right, like that's why we got to
being overweight and notworking out or our diet was a
mess, and it can get to the Bthe other side of the spectrum
of being really bad atmoderation where you're not
enjoying those things in lifeeither.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
Like you're not you know.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
so you got to find that happy medium somewhere in
the middle where you are stilldoing the things you need to do,
you're taking care of yourselfand that allows you to take care
of the family, right?
I mean, we always preach in thefire service that you know you
got to take care of the response.
The responders have to getthere in order to take care of
the emergency, right?
So you got to take care ofyourself in order to be present
for your family, and that's theend goal of this is to be there

(30:33):
for our families in retirement,to pull, to be there and present
and healthy.
I don't want to be the granddador the dad that's in a
wheelchair, you know, at 55.
So right so, or injured all thetime.
So that's one of the things isjust they kind of that was the
driving factor was seeing whereit was the markers and try to

(30:54):
improve them and just keeppushing them.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
Yeah, corey.
So people kind of understandwho maybe not have heard your
episode.
You had a turning point in yourlife as well I did.
What was that turning point?
For you to finally hey say Ineed to get better internally,
physically, emotionally,everything.
What was that turning point?

Speaker 4 (31:12):
Well, I'm a little bit older than you guys are and
I was actually when I firststarted.
My daughter wasn't pregnant yet, so I didn't know I was going
to be a grandfather, but duringmy journey I knew that I was
going to be a grandfather.
Just a brief recap of last timeI was extremely overweight, I

(31:36):
was extremely unhappy, I wasdepressed, I was unhealthy, my
labs were coming back pores well, cholesterol, fatty liver, I
reflux you know all of that andI got to a point where I was
becoming more and more unhappy.
And you talk about not likingpictures.
My kids are older now, so Irealized I had a decade of

(31:59):
pictures without me in them, youknow, because I was so unhappy
with how I felt and how I lookedand you could see it all over
my face.
Or my wife.
You know my wife and I havebeen together we're just about
to hit our eight year weddinganniversary, but nine years so I
was very happy.
So most of that time I wasextremely unhappy with myself

(32:22):
and we didn't have a lot ofpictures either.
It's not like we have a longhistory together.
Yeah, so there was a a lot lessdocumented history of my life,
especially with my wife and mykids than I would have liked.
And I, because I was sodepressed you know I was I was

(32:45):
sedating with alcohol and I wasdetaching from my family.
And when I was home we did havea staffing crisis going on.
I was not home a lot and when Iwas home I was doing everything
I could to shut my brain off.
And so I hit that point where,sadly, I'd actually given up on

(33:07):
trying to change it because I'dhad so many failed attempts that
I just told myself that whilethis is it, you're almost 50.
You know it.
Just it is what it is.
And I started thinking aboutretirement and what is that
going to look like?

(33:29):
And for those of you that don'tknow, I've been in the pipes and
drums for the last 20 years andI've been to countless funerals
more than I care to even recall.
And every year we call itMemorial season.
We do the Memorial for ouragency, we do our state Memorial

(33:55):
, we do the IFF Memorial inColorado, and then there's also
the National Memorial out inAmatsburg.
So I've put hundreds, if notthousands.
I've been present there whentheir names get put up on
Memorial walls, and the majorityof them were way too young.

(34:20):
But a good mix of them aren't.
When you think line of dutydeath, you think building
collapse or you know a flashover or something like that, a
lot of it's just from heart.
You know from how we treat ourbodies.
We're not in the greatest ofshape.

(34:41):
So the cardiac arrest is themajor killer of firefighters,
leading cause of death, line ofduty deaths and so many of these
stories.
Tragically they're just acouple of years after they
retire.
What was that statistic?
You were saying?

Speaker 3 (35:00):
I don't know the exact number, but I think I
heard something like the averageretiree from fire pulls 21
paychecks, and that's monthlypaychecks, so that's a little
less than two years.
Dude 21?
That's terrible.
It's horrible, yeah, so wow.

Speaker 4 (35:18):
So I got to a point where I just I felt like crap,
man, and I was like I'm not even50 yet.
What is 70 going to feel like?
And am I even going to make itthere?
Do you want to make?

Speaker 3 (35:31):
it yeah.

Speaker 4 (35:32):
What's that quality of life going to be?
And I was fortunate in that Ididn't seek out the
accountability program that Icame across.
It found me and dragged mealong, kicking and screaming,
like it was just.
It was one of those just Idon't know.

(35:55):
I guess it was just meant to be, it was just fate.
I came across superhumanfathers.
I found it.
Something really resonated withme, and then it was like a
switch was flipped and I justbecame an insane just
intentional savage and neverlook back.
And hence the name for for ourprogram is both the same thing,

(36:19):
or it happened in both of us,where you flip the switch and
you're able to turn it on andget after it.
And yeah, for me it was just.
I was in an extremely unhappyplace in my life and I had kind
of kind of given up on trying toimprove it.
I thought that it wasimpossible.

(36:39):
I knew how much weight I neededto lose.
I had told myself that I willnever be able to be happy with
myself unless I do lose thatweight, but I also had convinced
myself that it was impossibleto lose that amount of weight.
So therefore I was stuck right.
I'd back myself into a cornerthat I couldn't get out of and

(37:05):
it I quickly learned.
It's not just about the weight.
It's not what the scale says,you know.
It's the mindset, thediscipline, the daily habits,
the showing up in other areas ofyour life Versus just the.
It's not just about the gym.
This isn't about becoming a gym, bro, right.

(37:25):
You know, this is about doinghard shit day after day,
improving to yourself thatyou're capable of doing it, and
after having given up onyourself, and then to have that
epiphany that I'm not done, I'mnot fucking done.
My best days are not in my rearview mirror, they're in my

(37:48):
windshield.
And then becoming a grandfather.
Right at the same time, I gotin the best shape of my life.
I got posted and became I'msorry, I became a grandfather
and got posted on social mediaas hey, look at this Like 5%
body fat within two days of eachother.

(38:11):
Yeah, and it wasn't, like Isaid last time, it's not about
the six pack abs, it's about therest of the stuff.
I learned along the way that Iwas able to be present, in a way
, at the hospital for mydaughter and my son in law and
my grandson.
I was able to be present in away that I would not have been
able to do prior, and now I seeevery day with my grandson Sorry

(38:38):
, no man, it's awesome.
This is the place for it, man.
I just see it as such a giftevery time I get to hold that
little guy.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
you know and you're going to get more days doing it
now because of the shit thatyou're in and you're not sedated
.
You're going to be consciousand present.
That's huge.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Yeah, and that's well one.
Thank you for sharing that.
And I do remember when we weretalking about that last time.
Just, you know kind of thingslike things happen in life.
You know, maybe for you know, Idon't, I mean I believe things
happen for a reason.
But whatever your spiritualperspective is, it's different
for everybody.
But you know, it's kind of likeit's.

(39:17):
It's great to hear like that.
You know it's like I don't know.
I'm jumbling this up, I'm sosorry, I'm doing good man.
When you're yeah, I got it I gotit who spit it out, no, but at
the end of the day it's likelook, you know, you, you,
whatever that catalyst I usethat term all the time right,
because whatever that changes,or the epiphany that you had,

(39:39):
you know, I think there's a lotof people that have
extraordinarily similarcircumstances that they do that
to themselves.
I am, I'm, I'm a hundredpercent victim of that.
You know, and what, when,whatever, if it's, if it's
substance abuse, or you know,alcoholism or gambling or
anything that you do, thatyou've convinced yourself that I
can't get out of this because X, y and Z, you've already lost

(40:03):
that side mentally, yeah Right.
So if it's perpetuatingunhealthy habits, if it's extra
weight gain, if it's just howyou feel, a depression, and most
of the time all those thingswork simultaneously and you know
it's.
It's unfortunate because noteveryone has that epiphany, not
everyone has that catalyst thathappens in their life that maybe

(40:24):
they get the opportunity tochange it from that point moving
forward.
And I think it's very specificto in our workspace, because
it's predominantly what I'vedone in my entire adult life.
But I've been around a lot ofpeople in that way, you know,
and to certain extents I feellike I've been one of them and
you know you constantly createthe bullshit, you create the
excuse, and you see peoplearound you sometimes that have

(40:46):
that success and you kind ofthink, oh man, that's cool, but
maybe it's just not going to beme.
And you might tell yourselfthat, but at the end of the day,
when no one's looking, youstill make the same stupid
decisions, right?
So it's like what is it thatyou find that?
Like you're done, I'm done, I'mdone.
Line in the sand.
This is it moving forward, andI think that all of us have a
responsibility to that extentand not just, obviously, with

(41:08):
the business side of it movingforward.
And that's the appealing part ofit is that you're laying out a
foundational plan, even thoughif you say it's old school,
right, you know doing the work,accountability for yourself,
calories, you know making sureyou're in a certain thing, how
much you work out, all that'sgreat, but you have to sell the.
You know the, you can do it,and it's like then that takes
you to the next step of likewell, what is it?

(41:29):
What is that thing?
Are you the David Goggins?
Are you like?
Uh see, stay for?

Speaker 4 (41:34):
yeah, we're the boats .

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Yeah, I was like one more mother fucking set.
You know what I mean and that Ilike that.
That's me personally, right,but maybe Tim doesn't like that
or maybe someone else thatyou're around doesn't like that,
and so the in your face don'tbe a you know what is maybe
doesn't work, but you have theopportunity now, being around
these, you know otherindividuals that may be seeking

(41:56):
that kind of lifestyle, butthey're, you know, not there yet
.
I think having that kind ofbroader perspective of like,
look, you know, it doesn't haveto be like you have to hate your
life, you have to hate yourselfto get to a spot of taking the
next step.
Maybe it's just like, hey, look, you have very good we're
sitting across from very goodexamples of maybe different
spectrums where you were at andfor the reasons why would you be

(42:18):
able to adhere to something,and it's just really rad to hear
like out loud and then, likeyou know, do the perspective
stuff of now you've gotten to aspot where you can appreciate
what you've done for yourselfand now you're in a spot where
your presence is nowappreciating the things that you
have.
You know, being a grandfather,I can't, you know, I'm still
early in the dad game, but I canonly imagine one day and the

(42:39):
goal is I want to be there forthat day that I can have
grandkids and have that sameexperience of, yeah, dude, life
is awesome and look at all thethings that I should.
You know I'm so appreciative ofhaving around me.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
Well, not to mention he's a grandfather with a six
pack.
I mean that's pretty rad too.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
It is cool.
I didn't want to seem like toomuch of a fanboy Corey, but I'm
very proud of you.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Yeah, it's, it's, it's.
I really appreciate you both ofyou being so open.
It's really cool because peopleneed to see that we're not just
this.
You know, we feel like there'salways that persona of people
who are in public service likewe've.
We've got it figured out, youknow we're.
Yes, maybe we do it allourselves because we're first
responders and we help people,but we still have our own issues
.
We still have things that wehave to deal with.

(43:20):
And yeah, well, one thing thatI've noticed over time, just
being this career for 16 yearsand even with crazy injuries
that I've had skydiving, seeingpeople pass away well, we're all
fighting for his time you know,and that's the one thing that
we can't get back Exactly.
It's priceless.
You know we can always go makemore money, you can have more

(43:41):
things, but at the end of theday, when your life is over,
you're not taking your career,you're not taking your money,
you're not taking yourpossessions and no, that's going
to be there for you besidesyour family when it's when it's
your time, your cards punched,your loved ones, hopefully, are
going to be there.
Hopefully you've cultivatedsomething at your home that's
loving and caring.
But by being in shape, by theexample that you're setting,

(44:02):
both of you and even being agrandfather, is you giving
yourself time and that'spriceless time to see your
grandkids grow, to spend thelater years of your life with
your wife and enjoying thoseyears and seeing your daughter
grow with her family.
Those are things that you cannotput a price tag on and I've
tried to explain that to so manypeople is dude.

(44:22):
I've seen people die.
We've all been there in theirlast moments.
I've never, ever heard oneperson say I wish I had more
money, I wish I had anotherpromotion.
Right, it's time.
It's not funny, but yeah, buttrue.

Speaker 4 (44:32):
No it's totally true, it's accurate yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
No one's ever asking for all this stuff and what's
staying healthy and taking careof yourself mentally, physically
, maybe spiritually, for anybodyelse, whatever you believe in?
But the importance of that goesso much farther than people
ever realize.
You know my parents.
They're getting older.
My dad's 82.
He looks like he's freaking 58.
He's a very in shape man andthat's because in his life he
was a green brain for 20 plusyears.

(44:58):
So he has a discipline, he hasthat regimen.
He's 82.
He still gets up.
He does 50 pushups, 50 sit ups,50 air squats, walks a mile.

Speaker 4 (45:06):
Hell yeah, let's go Right.
Exactly, dude.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
And he's fit and he's around.
I see his eight grandkids andsome are now in college, some
are in the military, you know.

Speaker 4 (45:17):
So he's not just being able to see him, but I can
only imagine that there has tobe one or two of his grandkids
that say I want to be like him.
Yes.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Yes, absolutely yeah, my brother's little boys.
Yeah, they're just like papa allday, papa, papa, papa.
You know they want to join themilitary and they're always
running around and camouflageand doing stuff.
But you know, the point is whatyou've done for yourself, of
putting in the work, having thatdiscipline, understanding, hey,
I need to change, because if Idon't, I'm not going to be here.

(45:50):
I want to be here.
I mean, I tell everybody I'vehad ups and downs in life and I
had some hard lows, and hope isa hell of a thing.
Hope will keep you going andany day above the dirt is a damn
good day.
So make it count, make it worthit.
We got one shot at this life.
It is as we all know.
It's here and gone.
I mean, it's like that, dude,it's quick.

(46:11):
Your kids are grown, you havegrandkids.
I've known Jordan since we gothired together years ago.
We're surfing, having fun andI'm watching him be a dad and I
love it.
I'm just like, well, this iscrazy, you know, but it goes so
fast, you know, and the way tokeep yourself around and healthy
is to have the discipline to dowhat you guys both of you have
done.

Speaker 4 (46:32):
Hope is not a strategy.
You have to do the work.
Yes, You've got to put the workin.
You talk about time.
So much of my career has beenspent chasing dollars, prestige,
accolades, rank stature, all ofthat.
I need to do more.
I'm not doing enough, I'm not,I'm not important enough.

(46:55):
Well, you worry about that atwork, but not at home.
And I I'm.
I'm having these mindsetchanges now, especially as I
approach retirement.
I plugged in my my numbers.
Once you see it, you can'tunsee it.
I'm leaving in three years.
Good, very good.
I'm not going to chase anythinganymore.

(47:17):
If anything, I have an evengreater opportunity opportunity
to help those around us in ourdepartment, just in a different
way.
Instead of being the, thecompany officer that's going to
teach you how to do a certainskill or whatever, now it's like

(47:38):
hey, when we're talking abouttime, I'm leaving in three years
.
If you were going to take across country trip with your
family, what's the vehicle youwant to do it in?
Do you want to do it in a 64Volkswagen bug that's been on
blocks in somebody's yard forthe last 30 years?

(47:59):
Or do you want a nice, brandnew Duramax, three quarter ton
diesel with a nice trailerbehind it that you know is going
to get you to the finish lineand get your family there?
Versus when I say vehicle, it'sjust an analogy for, for your

(48:20):
body, what body was I preparedto take into retirement just two
years ago, yeah, and that wasnot going to give me the best
chance of getting to the finishline.
So we just want to impact thosethat were stuck, just like we
were.
Yeah, hey, look what we did.
We can help you do the same,because I know what that feels

(48:43):
like.
I can look into that guy's eyesand I know what he says to
himself when he looks in themirror.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
Well, we actually have a retiree in our group that
we're working with, that we'recoaching, and just the
differences and changes thathe's made in the past four or
six months have been huge.
And he's he's talking about howhe was kind of going down some,
some paths with some substancesand, you know, getting away
from that and having a purposeagain.
Not I mean he wasn't lackingpurpose, but he's up earlier

(49:11):
than we were.
He told us from the beginningthat you know I don't need to
get up.
My kids are older, grown out ofthe house, I can work out any
time of the day and not impactanyone.
And he's the guy that's postedin our group of he's awake
before me sometimes Right.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Yeah, yeah, I swear to God, he's older yeah.
It goes to bed at four, butit's also a four?

Speaker 3 (49:32):
Yeah, no for sure.
Murder she wrote yeah, I meanhe's realizing that he's lost
what?
20 pounds or so, yeah, 40pounds, somewhere in that
neighborhood and he's that'sawesome.
But he's realizing the pros ofit, the benefit.
You know he's extending thatclock, you know he can't take
the time back, but you can keepthat clock running.
We can keep that clock going aslong as we possibly can, so,

(49:55):
and the quality of life thatwe're getting in that clock is
is a lot better.
So, no, and and that's the nicething about this too is there's
with doing what we're doing, wehave this group of men.
So, during those hard timeswhere it's hard to find that
mental strength, the consistencylike you were talking about
Jordan that there's, there'sguys have either been through
that or going through it or willhave gone through it in this

(50:17):
group and they can offer thatexpertise or experiences or, you
know, help each other outthrough these hard times.
And it's it's a, it's an appstill at the end of the day, but
it's it's that connection thatyou have with other guys in this
group that are primarily firstresponders.
They're trying to get theirlife or their health, it
together and you can messageback and forth and you know,

(50:40):
kind of show and demonstratewhat you're doing to help out in
these times, like on the striketeam we were on together back
in August.
I mean, I was talking to the guythat's going out on one of
these recent ones and my hey,dude, I was every gas station
stop.
I was grabbing two to threeprotein shakes a day just to
help meet those.
Those clerk cause.
A ham sandwich and some cheesesAin't going to cut it out there
.
So four uncrustables eightpounds of trail mix.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
I just took everyone's.
No one eats the pickle, Likethat's one thing.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
I don't know, that was something like I learned.
Oh hot Okay.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
First of all, no, like I would say, 90% of people
with the brown bag lunches.
No one eats the pickle.
I happen to be a fan of pickles, so I like pickle.
I throw them in the cooler.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
I fight you for it.

Speaker 4 (51:29):
Oh, so we're on one.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
together We'll share the pickle and we'll be, we'll
be money, but it's funny because, like those are the lunches you
get as far as availability,which is understandable
depending on what youroperations are, it is and stuff.
But you know, even in that,like for me, like I'm surprised
we really didn't talk about thiswhile we're out there because,
like I'm absolutely the personthat goes, I was eating good

(51:53):
until, like, we got here.

Speaker 3 (51:54):
But here I am.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
So it's like cheez-its, cheez-its cheez-its
because they're my favoritesnack food and crustables and
all this stuff.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
And then I felt better because I'd be like, well
, I had like six pickles today.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
I had the fruit cup.
Hey, they're cucumbers, rightthey are, they're vegetables,
and there's, you get the salt.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
Right.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
Yeah, there's, there's a complete way I could
bullshit the fact that I'mmaking that seem positive, but
you know it's just it's comingup with a game plan, right and
like.
So you're saying like anytimewe and you know, when you're
running in there getting proteinpowder, I'm buying like rolls
of zins, so I'm like I need it,right, which is the whole other
problem that I would like to getrid of.
But anyway, we're.
Yeah, this guy cut it.
He did.

(52:33):
I know I'm proud of you, man.

Speaker 4 (52:36):
And I actually, I have fears cold turkey.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
I was utilizing this transition of the new station
I'll be at to be a startingpoint.
Going for it, yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:45):
Good for you.
That's horrible station to do.
That it is.
He's gonna be bored out of yourmind.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
But that's part of the that's part of the challenge
.
I think in that, and then I'mjust going to chew a lot of gum.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
Count squirrels and yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
I like to carve things, I guess.
But you know one thing I dowant to ask you guys so if no
one knows name of your company,where to find you, how to get
interested and obviously notjust word of mouth between the
fire department and extendingout to other first responders
what's the best way to do that?

Speaker 4 (53:17):
The company is called intentional savage fitness and
the reason for the name is youknow, you do, you do savage
things.
You do change your life in asavage way, but it's with the
savage intent.
Not everyone says, oh, look athim.
Or oh, my God, that guy's asavage, I could never do that.

(53:37):
He's lucky, we're not lucky.
Nobody looked at us two yearsago when we were at our absolute
heaviest and most miserable andsaid he's lucky.
No we put in the work.
It was the intent.
We were intentional abouteverything that we did and, yes,
we were not perfect, we blew it, but we had the intention and

(54:01):
the ability and now thediscipline to, when we did fall
off, to get ourselves back ontrack.
So, intentional savage fitness.
You can find us on Instagram atintentional savage fitness.
Like I was explaining earlier,we didn't actually intend I

(54:21):
guess we weren't intentionalsavages about it wasn't our plan
to get this company going sosoon, this group going so soon.
So we're flying the, we'rebuilding the plane as we fly it
right now.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
So with that, yeah, the wrong with that.

Speaker 4 (54:39):
So we're, we're grassroots, we're getting it off
the ground, but Instagram isgoing to be the best way for
doing so.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
Okay, nice.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
That's awesome.
I was like I feel like my brainworks as like a slideshow.
Yeah, no, it's like I got aquestion queue pop up and I'm
like, okay, that'd be yeah.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
So if I could just tag on to that, please.
So the next natural question isokay, that's your company, but
what is it exactly?
And I realized last time I washere I never really explained
what superhuman fathers was.
So what our company is?
It's an online fitness andnutrition coaching and

(55:24):
accountability with a communityaspect to it, an accountability
group.
So, like I said, I got supercurious about what.
Why were these things beingeffective for me?
So I started educating myselfon them.
I got certified in the macronutrition, where I've also

(55:46):
gotten certified in the workoutprogramming.
Ross is also educating himselfon all that.
So we're now we know thereasons why it worked for us.
So we will program your macrosfor you, teach you how to track
them.
We will hold you accountable totracking them.

(56:07):
Ross will program your workouts.
It'll be customized based onwhat your, what your
capabilities are, what yourfitness goals are, what you're
comfortable with doing, yourinjuries, your age, all of that
and that will be app based towhere you can log in you it

(56:28):
takes a guess workout.
You don't have to go to the gymand say I'm going to do the
same workouts I've done for thelast 10 years.
What should I do today.
Yeah, it just you show up, youclick on it and you go awesome,
I'm going to do this workout andwith there's even custom,
custom customization that youcan do on the fly if you want to
swap out a workout or whatever.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
I was just going to ask you guys to have like
flexibility as far as whatyou're you know, because, like
even for myself, like at home, Ihave a Peloton bike.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
Right, I don't have I don't know anything like that.
When I first started I lost themajority of my 60 pounds.
But just by doing in garageworkouts with bands and some
basic dumbbells.

Speaker 4 (57:07):
I mean.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
I wasn't doing excellent, wasn't doing a whole
lot of stuff in a gym.

Speaker 4 (57:12):
Damn it.
You know how many people'sexcuses you just stole right.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
Yeah, totally, what an asshole.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
Yeah, that's the hard part and I mean a lot of it 90
nutrition is 90% of it, thatjust getting that dialed in.
But the workouts are great.
That's what's going to buildthe muscle tone and that's
what's going to help keep themetabolism going throughout the
day.
But I mean we even havevacation workouts with bands
that you can do.
So you can throw a pack ofbands from Amazon, you know, in
your bag for 35 bucks and youhave something to do.

(57:41):
I was working out at the gymnear my station this morning and
they don't have all theequipment so you can go in
through the app and actuallysubstitute for what they don't
have.
You know, working a similarmuscle group.
It even tracks.
I mean the app's great.
It tracks what you did lastweek or the previous week so you
can see how you're progressing.
So there's that kind ofreinforcement through it there
too.
And then there's the communitywhole side of the thing.

(58:02):
So if you're going on a tripdown to Costa Rica for a surf
trip or something like that butstill want it, you know you're
still going to be tracking andkind of keeping on it and maybe
not as tight as you are at home.
There's guys you can reach outto the community there and it's
it's kind of like the commentsection of any Instagram or
Facebook or something like that.
Like, hey, going down to on asurf trip, what do you guys

(58:22):
recommend?
And that's the great thingabout this is versus like the
Keto's and the Paleo's of thepast, where you really didn't
have much guidance besides maybea book that was printed a year
or two prior.
There's, there's people areworking with us in our line of
work.
So guys that have been onstrike teams, the guys that are
commuting, guys that are in thestation at busy houses, guys

(58:43):
that are in the station at slowhouses, they have all these
pointers of hey, this is whatI've done to be successful, to
help out.
So that's that's kind of thenice part of this, too, is this
community that is built into the, the intentional, savage
fitness, and this app is there's.
There's that reach, reachingout and the accountability of
holding each other accountablefor what we're doing.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
Yeah, so we are downloaded.
Like I said, globally is.
Can somebody who is listeningto this, that is outside the
country, be involved with us?
Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (59:13):
Okay, absolutely, as long as they speak English or
have the ability to translatethe videos that we put up or our
instructions.
But yeah, you, you can do itfrom anywhere.
I've done it myself in othercountries, oh yeah.
So yeah, the the communitybased portion of this you can

(59:36):
leverage not only just the othermembers in the program, but you
also have 24 seven access toRoss and myself.
So if you have, when you havethose questions on your macros,
when you need somethingcustomized for your workout,
when you have, when you justsometimes a lot of its mindset

(59:57):
related, when you're havingthose down moments, the
community is great.
I got so much from the zoomcalls Because you almost don't
want to speak out, because ifyou're, if you're new to the
journey and you're still havingyou, you haven't had any wins
yet or any large wins.

(01:00:18):
And then you have somebodythat's towards the end of their
not the end, but has had a lotof success and say you're
catching Ross or myself towards,you know, after we had already
been in for a year.
Well, you see that guy, and ifyou're new, you hadn't seen
their struggle, you don't knowwhat they went through and you
think, oh, that guy's lucky,that guy just gets it.

(01:00:40):
Well, then that guy shows up ona zoom and says, man, I
completely shit the bed I've.
I had this happen with myfamily and a lot of times it's
not just about food, like oh, Iate a burger today, it's like no
, I came home from work.
This is me three days ago, camehome from work, I was up all

(01:01:05):
night.
I literally got no sleep.
We got pummel and I was drivinghome or I was going to my
station to put my gear away.
And I'm sorry I'm going off ona tangent, but I do that a lot.
Two weeks prior we'd been on afatality on the freeway 19 year

(01:01:28):
old.
I have a 19 year old son it.
It affected me, you know, and Ihad had conversations with my
wife about it.
I'm driving home and I'mpassing the area where that
fatality was and I see a carpulled over and I see a woman

(01:01:49):
over on the side of the freewaykneeling at the wall where the
event happened, and I knew.
As soon as I saw her I saidthat's his mom.
Wow, that has to be his mom.
Yeah.
And instinctively I startedpulling over.
And then I started fightingwith myself what do you do?

(01:02:15):
What are you going to say?
Why would you pull over?
It's unsafe, you're going toget, you'll get killed.
And so I literally pulled backinto the shoulder three times.
Ultimately, I talked myselfinto continuing on and then, as
soon as I made the, Irecommitted back to the freeway.

(01:02:36):
I thought it is dangerous outthere.
I can't let her get killed aswell.
I don't know what I'm going tosay.
I don't.
I don't know what I'm going todo, but at least I have a big
truck.
I can try and protect her whileshe mourns.
So I ended up circling back.
I came, came back up and aroundand I parked back there and I

(01:03:00):
got out of my car and got thateverything's just whizzing by
and you're like, oh, this is nota good place to be.
And I'm, I'm walking up to herand I'm like this is a mistake.
This is a mistake.
This is a mistake, what are youdoing?
And and I, I got to her and Ivapor locked.
I didn't even know what to sayand I just said your mother,

(01:03:23):
aren't you?
She said yeah, and both of usjust stood there and kind of
stared at each other and thevacant, hollow look in her eyes
I'll never forget.
And I said I know there'snothing I can say.

(01:03:47):
I know you just wanna be hereto be with where your son was
last.
I said, but it's extremelyunsafe.
I'll stay here for a little bit.
I'll stay parked right here,just do your thing, but you
can't stay here.
I wouldn't be able to live withmyself if something happened to

(01:04:08):
you.
So I got back in my truck, Igave her her moments piece, she
got back in her car and we bothleft.
So that was pretty heavy, right?

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
Oh yeah that's a moment.

Speaker 4 (01:04:23):
And I was sleep deprived Right.
And I get home and I have thisprocess I came up with to try
and check myself at the door soI don't ruin my only days off at
home.
I did.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
I just I exploded.

Speaker 4 (01:04:49):
I exploded as soon as the littlest instigator
happened.
I completely snapped and, likeI have this whole mantra be
present, be patient, be present,be ready.
And that's the be ready isbreathe, reorient, evaluate,
anticipate and align with yourvalues, decide how you're gonna

(01:05:12):
act and then yield Yield toeverybody else in the house,
because it's not about me, causeI haven't been home.
I'm the stranger there, so I'mnot perfect.
Still, you know, I get home andI still, I still blow it.
But the goal is is it's notjust about calories and the

(01:05:34):
workout, it's about the mindset,it's about being present, it's
about just trying to be the bestversion of ourselves.
But we still fall off.
We still have to recover.

Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
But I mean you reached out to the group and
kind of explained the basics ofwhat was going on that day.
I mean, and there was guys thatreached out from within the
group of hey, you knoweverything from guys that are
similar, just you know sorry, ithappened to guys that have some
pretty in depth psychologybackgrounds there, you know, are
offering some suggestions,reach out, give us, you know.

(01:06:08):
So that's the nice thing is,this group is there for each
other and it it's kind ofwhatever you need.
I mean, if, if Corey needed toreach out to any one of us, he
knows it's there.
It's a group of guys thatreally do care.
Or if it's just getting it offhis chest, it's like you know
what I messed up.
I I know what I need to do andI'm going to re reorient and
keep going forward.

(01:06:29):
But I mean, that's the nicething is you have this group of
guys there that aren't going tocast judgment.
We've all been in the same boatas Corey.
I mean, we've all come home andblown it up.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
It's made things worse.
Yeah, so if you say you haven't, you're lying.
Right, I don't believe don'tbelieve you, or I think you're a
psychopath Right?
There's no way.
We're all.

Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
That's the most human response, and and it's
understandable, and but ourfamilies usually don't get it,
and that's the hard part istrying to.
You know you have this group,that that they understand where
you're coming from, and we'veall been in that same boat and I
think there's a couple ofreally good suggestions
Something about even writing aletter and even if you don't
deliver it, at least you'regetting it off your chest and

(01:07:06):
now you can move forward.
So I mean it's, there's a lotof good information and these
guys have a lot of experiencemessing things up.
We're really good at it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
Yeah, so really what?
What?
It's more than just staying.
You know fitness and gettinghealthy.
You're kind of cultivating acommunity.
Yeah, so it's coming from this.

Speaker 4 (01:07:23):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
Yeah, where it's.
It's not just keeping you ontrack with your physical fitness
and eating what you're puttingin your mouth, but it's also
your daily life.

Speaker 3 (01:07:32):
Well, it's struggles.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
The struggles that we have as men or as women that
are on there too, like we'rehuman, you're human, right?
I've had days where I come home, I think the same thing, Cory,
I'm gonna be good.
Like I just need to go surf,I'm gonna be fine.
I get my surfing, I feel likeI'm great.
I come home and it's likesomething happens or falls on
the ground and you lose it.
Right, You're just like whoa,where did that come from?

(01:07:53):
What happened?

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
Or you sit in the truck, just not wanting to go in
.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
So to be able to.
You know, what's the good thingabout having this with Jordan
and other things I'm involved inis I do have a really strong
knit, very small, tight group ofpeople.
It's probably only four or five.
Not a lot of people have that.
Not a lot of people have peoplethey can open up to and be
completely honest withoutcasting judgment.
And let's be real on our lineof work.
Let's do this, dude's judge bro.

(01:08:20):
As soon as they hear dirt nextthing, you know the station.
the farthest side of the countyknows You're getting text
messages.
Firemen, all the day off now,yeah, and you're like, hey, man,
I told you that and confidencefor some help here, right, so
I'm real careful Confession.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
Those are my paintings, Todd.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
So to have that.
I think it's beautiful, it's agood thing.
I mean, you gotta be able tothese emotions that we have as
humans.
That's God-given, that's in you.
To be able to work throughstressful times, hard times, joy
, let down.
It's okay to cry, it's okay tobe frustrated, it's okay to be
upset, but you gotta learn howto let that out appropriately

(01:08:57):
and be able to talk to thecorrect people that you trust.

Speaker 3 (01:08:59):
You can't tell everybody everything.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
That's just.
That's the way of the world.
Man, you can't trust everyone.

Speaker 4 (01:09:05):
Or go on a podcast and tell about how you just
messed up one of your only daysoff.

Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
I think honestly it's good.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
But, dude, that story , I think, is it's a little bit
of a struggle, isn't it?
And I know the call you'retalking about and having
interactions when you'reinvolved with something, let's
say, it doesn't go the right way, or someone loses a loved one
or whatnot, and then you comeacross that person and it's
always mine, always seems to bethe grocery store or something,

(01:09:35):
shopping for food it justrecently happened, or whatever,
and one.
I think that's cool, that whatyou did.
And when you're saying you'repumping back and forth and
pulling over, I'm the same way.
I'm not one to want to get offthe freeway, especially because
of scenarios that can lead towhat had happened, and but you
have this empathetic responsesometimes for whatever that

(01:09:57):
connection is with these peoplethat you don't even know and how
that piggybacked off of thenightless sleep going into the
next day.
Whether it's an attitudeadjustment or it's very easy to
not follow suit with a dailyregiment.
When you are in those positions, which happens to us a lot,

(01:10:17):
it's like, okay, I was gonnacome home and work out, and then
do this and do that, and dothis and do that, and next thing
you know it's like you comehome, you're three seconds into
the house, you're pissed offbecause something's on the floor
, or whatever.
The case is mine, my kid, onekid screams a certain way.

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
There's a certain pitch that doesn't even have to
be about.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
I just immediately am mad and it doesn't make any
sense and it's not right andit's and I like the acronym with
the yielding right, causeyou're yielding and I'm not good
at it but I try and I want tobe better and you know all that
kind of stuff.
But I think having your abilityto open the networking within

(01:10:52):
that app you're talking about,like that's half the struggle,
you know and you know what'scool is too, is like you're
gonna be like I don't wanna saylike-minded, but essentially
like-minded because you havecommon goals, or at least-.

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
Similar circumstances .

Speaker 4 (01:11:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
And that's the thing, right.
And like what Tim's saying,like I'm not saying, to run into
a station that you don't knowanybody and be like here's all
my problems, Because more thanlikely it's not gonna be
received very well, and I havebeen on both ends of that.
Do you know what I mean?
So where I was the one blur,now stuff.
Then all of a sudden, nowpeople I thought I told in
confidence, aren't you know nothings about me?
I didn't want or I've heardpeople go.

Speaker 4 (01:11:30):
I don't even know you , I'm like damn dude.

Speaker 3 (01:11:32):
Like you know, like do you need a hug?

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
But, it probably wouldn't have been bad.
But you know, at the end of theday, I think that that format
and then I didn't know you hadthe capacity of the video
conference style or Zoom orwhatever that's rad.

Speaker 4 (01:11:47):
We do a weekly Zoom.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
See, that's really cool and yeah, anyway, I just I
think like what a great deal,cause I know with with a lot of
popular, whether it was socialmedia or anything along those
lines you know you might as wellbe posting things on Reddit,
cause the world will not.
Oh yeah, we'll just basicallytake you down, cause, inherently
, the keyboard warriors outthere don't want to empathize
with you.
They want to make you lookstupid because it makes the

(01:12:10):
inferior people feel powerful.
But I think that's super rad,being able to do that and like
kind of bounce things off oneanother, and so much needed
Cause everything that you saidabout that day.
I'd be like dude, someone tellme something good.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
Is there any good day out there?
You know they don't want totext him.
He's like oh, it's skydiving,it's open.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
Today I was like okay , there are things going and
what I think is supposed tohappen.

Speaker 4 (01:12:35):
The point that I was trying to make with that before.
I circled the airport quite afew times I'll land my plane now
is there might be somebody inthere that you think has it all
together, and especially beingin our program now us as the
coaches you might falselyelevate us to this level of

(01:12:59):
having it all figured out, butthe things that always had the
greatest impact on me was when Iwould go to those zooms and
there would be somebody that Ithought had it all figured out,
was struggling with the samething that I was.
So when you hear that personthat you're putting on a

(01:13:21):
pedestal open up, be vulnerableand say, hey, I completely
screwed this up, and you're like, oh, I screwed that up too.
Yeah, yeah, I did.
Oh, okay.
So this guy who I thought hasit all together still wrestles
with these things and it doesn'tgive you permission to go say,
oh well, he does it, so I can goscrew it up too, but you, like

(01:13:44):
you were saying earlier, ithelps you have that little bit
of give yourself a little gracethat oh, I don't have to be
perfect, I'm gonna try.
Yeah, try your best, but I don'thave to be perfect.
And look, this guy does it too.
So it's not permission to screwup.
Hey, honey, it's okay if I'm anasshole to you, because Cory

(01:14:09):
was.
You know it doesn't ever workit doesn't ever work.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
Not one time have I had that approach.
It's been like today was a goodday, but I was just I was so.

Speaker 4 (01:14:18):
I was so upset with myself because for so long I've
always worked so much over timeand our staffing crisis and the
captains have been getting justhammered for years that when
we're at work you get FOMO and,especially with social media,
you see your family live intheir best life while you're at
work and you get jealous orenvious or whatever and all we

(01:14:39):
wanna do is be home.
I just wanna be home.
I'm here on a 96.
I can't wait to go home.
I just wanna be home.
And then we get home and wejust get in our own way.
We just step in it, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
And it's our fault, but not to justify, but imagine
how Corrie a year and a half agowould have handled it.
I mean Corrie a year and a halfago may have even stopped off
at the bar on the way home.
Well, yeah, I mean it didn'tlook much different.

Speaker 4 (01:15:05):
I wanna tell you that that was a particular one, but
there definitely were otherinstances where I've handled
them way different and I'veavoided ruining my days off or I
was able to go have a great daywith my family because I was

(01:15:25):
able to hit the brakes, pauseand filter my response in
alignment with my values beforethe monster came out.
But there were no brakes theother day.

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
The brakes were out.
That's the thing is, cause noone's perfect and that's the
reality of it.
And even in the successfuljourney of self-realization and
success for what you guys aredoing and or didn't I even say
you guys, just as the individualright the reality is life's
crazy.
It's crazy, it's relentless,and your expectation of what you

(01:16:06):
think's gonna happen.
You probably got a 40% accuracyrate with that In that right.
Cause there's only so manythings you can control the day.
You can't control the callsthat you happen.
You can't control the fact thatyou don't sleep.
You can't control the fact thatyou have a staffing crisis.
You get forced on a 96.
Cause everything that you saidis 100% true I like work, I like
the people I work with, I enjoythe job to a certain extent,

(01:16:28):
but I'm there for more than 24hours and the only thing I could
think about is getting home.
And it's ironic that it takessometimes 30 seconds of walking
into the door where, instead ofbeing like yes, I'm home, I'm
going damn it, why didn't thishappen?
Why are we doing this?
And it's like all of a sudden,you start spouting things out
and you're thinking well, thatescalated quickly.
That was not my intention I meanintentions were not to be this

(01:16:50):
way, but yet you find yourselfin that situation now.
Is it repetitive?
Is it all the time?
You guys, my wife, my wife willagree that it is a lot of the
time.
But you know, and I'm notsaying that in a bad way, I just
mean that we can only controlso many things.
But that's how.
It's why it is so important tohave that strategy of life, the
approach, and not just talkingabout eating good and working

(01:17:12):
out and living a healthylifestyle.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
Better mindset.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
But having the mental approach and taking that time.
Hey, that self reflectionperiod.
You run down your chart.
I normally like exhale for like10 seconds and shake.
I don't know when I was a kid,the whole shake it off thing.
I always kind of use that myentire life, you know, even when
no one's looking.
So that's kind of actuallyembarrassing.
But you know, whatever yourreset is right To change up the

(01:17:39):
approach.
And by having the strongervalue system, by having the
accountability, by being able todo the hard things consistently
and the savage approach toaccomplishing stuff in life, you
know is important Because evenwhen you hit all of those things
, shit's still his heart, andyou know, and it's like, yeah,
and honestly, going back to whatyou guys got, you know, having

(01:18:01):
the forum, having the ability tocommunicate with other people
that have hey, if I would havesaw that, did you stand
something like, bro, it's gonnabe okay.
You know, I'm sure we can alllaundry list it.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:18:14):
Jordan, could one of you guys please apologize to my
wife for me.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
I think they have something else to do.
They call it chat GPT.
You can put you in a frameworkor possibly getting on.

Speaker 1 (01:18:27):
But if I did not anyway?
Well, guys, thank you so muchfor coming out.
I really love what you guys aredoing and it's really cool that
you also took the time to getthe certifications that you
needed, cause there's actuallylike an Instagram account I
think it's Instagram, one of thesocial media sites.
This guy's all about callingout people who aren't like
certified and trying to sellstuff for fitness online, it's

(01:18:48):
just total hacks, so it's legit,it's through and through.
You have your certifications.
You put in the work and thetime.
You're also both living proofof what?
Proof, proof of your ownsuccess, of what you've been
doing, the sacrifice, the hardwork.
So we're gonna be in fullsupport of you guys.
Thank you, we will actuallytalk to you after about this,

(01:19:09):
about making a commercial andkeeping on here as a quote,
unquote sponsorship, just tohelp you guys Heck, yeah, thank
you, we'll get that going, let'sgo.
Ding ding.

Speaker 3 (01:19:17):
Give me the ding Ding .

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
There we go, so real quick so people can find you
again?
Are you on Instagram, facebookor just Instagram, right?

Speaker 4 (01:19:25):
now.
Just Instagram right now.
Like I said, we're building itas we fly it, so you can find us
at Intentional Savage Fitness.
We are an online nutrition,fitness coaching and
accountability group.
We are geared towards firstresponders.
There you go.
You got it right there.
Thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (01:19:42):
So back up a little, back up, back up, back up you
Jordan, there you go.

Speaker 4 (01:19:46):
Boom, see the logo.
Check out the logo.
My wife was like is thatsupposed to be you?
I'm like we're gonna buy onelike that.

Speaker 1 (01:19:54):
Okay, is there a website for you guys too.

Speaker 4 (01:19:56):
Yeah, is that being built.
Not yet.
We're working on that.
That's the landing gear thathasn't been put on yet.
So, again, it's geared towardsfirst responders, although that
is not a requirement.
What we are trying to do is tohelp find the guys that were

(01:20:17):
stuck, like us, and give you adifferent look at what
retirement, what your career isgoing to be like, what your life
is like.
We will change your lives.
We will Love it, just the wayours was changed.
So show up and we will help you.
Keep showing up and we will getyou there.

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
Let's go baby, I freaking love it.
Well, thank you guys so muchfor coming on.
We will chat after aboutgetting that commercial made for
you guys.
The last thing for me is keepgoing.

Speaker 4 (01:20:47):
Keep doing what you're doing.

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
If anybody understands Jordan and I do
understand about buildingsomething from the ground up
it's work, it takes time, ittakes dedication, it takes grit.
There's gonna be highs, there'sgonna be lows, there's gonna be
things that you fail at, butyou just keep moving forward.
It's always able to look evenif I mess up, I'm gonna mess up
and fail forward.
You just learn as you go,because with this podcast,

(01:21:09):
there's a lot of people who wanteverything perfect right away
when you start.

Speaker 4 (01:21:12):
It's not gonna be dude.
You need to just start Just getgoing and that's what we did.

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
Yeah, but what you were?

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
saying I was like yes .

Speaker 1 (01:21:21):
Yeah, that's what we did.
I mean, like I told you, thispodcast started in my kitchen on
a plastic table.
Now we have this full setup,you know, and we got global
downloads.
You don't know where it can go,unless you just try.
Oh yeah, just go for it.
So if I could say that, just gofor it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:37):
You have nothing to lose, man.

Speaker 4 (01:21:39):
You guys are truly inspiring with that.

Speaker 1 (01:21:40):
Yeah, no worries.
So usually at the end of thispodcast we do a let's go on
three.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
I'm gonna do it this time.

Speaker 4 (01:21:47):
I'm gonna get it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:48):
I'll actually do this .
You know what?
Why don't you lead us out, dude?
You can do the one, two, three.
Let's go, We'll get out of here.

Speaker 4 (01:21:53):
All right, everybody, everybody.
Thank you for listening.
Tim Jordan, thank you forhaving us.
We really appreciate it.
Let's get a.
Let's go on three Ready One,two, three, let's go Bye
everybody.

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