Unpacking the Trump Rally Shooting: Media, Conspiracy Theories, and Civil Discourse

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
guys, welcome back to let's go.
Podcast season three is aboutto start.
Um, we decided to do somethingdifferent and this is our first
virtual podcast.
Um, we have chris kova.
Chris, what's up, baby?
How you doing guys yeah, andthen we have of of course, we
have Jordan Gimmiola.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Hey dude, what up?
Welcome back.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Yeah, we're back, but , chris, thank you for joining
us.
We're just doing this becauseyesterday, as you guys know, the
events happened with DonaldTrump at the Pennsylvania rally.
He was shot at and it wasconfirmed and Jordan and Chris,
I'm sure, with you guys, same asme, like my phone blew up.
People were texting and callingand, of course, chris, as you

(00:55):
would probably know, the firstperson I called was Jordan, but
he has kids and family so hecouldn't answer, but I sent a
text.
I'm like, bro, bro, turn on thetv, like it's crazy.
So, uh, I just want to.
I want us to go over that andtalk about it.
Chris, we respect you and welove you.
Man, you've served in themilitary, um, you've done very
well for yourself and, um,you're very well spoken.

(01:18):
So it's been, I think, threemonths for us since we've been
back on, or so, uh, because myhouse is being rebuilt, so
that's why we haven't been doingthe podcast, but studio's up
and going now.
So, anyways, let's get thisstarted.
I do want to see what you guyskind of think about what
happened yesterday.
There's a lot we can talk abouthere.
So, let's be real, we couldprobably go for hours.

(01:39):
We're going to try and keepthis to about 20, 30 minutes,
but Donald Trump being shot?
It seems like it was a youngguy on a roof and I'll just give
you my quick opinion.
I think he was absolutelyprotected and saved by God's
grace straight up, because thatcould have been pretty bad.
There's always different waysto think of this, like it was a

(01:59):
psyop or it was staged, but I dothink that the Secret Service
failed yesterday.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
It didn't do well.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
So I'll let you guys kind of take it from there.
You tell me your thoughts onyesterday.
It's pretty wild.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
So, yeah, I mean, yeah, we actually just got back
home and was getting ready tojump in the pool with the kids
and my wife was like, oh my God,god, there was a shooting at
the trump rally.
And then it was like, oh my god, donald trump got shot.
I'm like what?
Like uh, okay, you know what Imean like it just at first, and
then, so it's like obviously,grab the phone and then, yeah, I

(02:36):
missed a bunch of calls andtexts and, um, so, you know, it
was kind of early on in it too,so they didn't know who.
It was A lot of little bit ofinformation that wasn't out
there, but I don't know if I'mbeing honest, like I got really
like mad.
You know, like my initialreaction was like what the you

(02:57):
know?
And again, right, whether it'slike you said, you know, because
I'm sure like it's allconspiracy, psyop, running, you
know, doj, depending on whereyou stand politically and how
you've been following a lot ofstuff with Trump.
Um, you know, or it's eitherway or it was just a crazy
person, but that was my.
My first thought process waslike I have a little bit of like

(03:18):
SWAT background and like justhaving been involved with a
couple things to like understandthe thoroughness of prepping an
area and making sure thesecurity checks and especially
high ground on everything.
I mean, I'll leave my personalexperience out of it as far as
what it was for it was about forhigh-profile people, that it

(03:42):
was very, very, very covered,you know.
So to have someone like Trump,whether you know again, is it
too polarizing?
Not, you know, there's always alot of people that seem to show
up at the, the rallies andsupport, and I personally just
figured I'm like man, thesecurity detail has got to be
insane on these things.
So, as this was kind of comingout, it was like, you know, like

(04:05):
there's a couple of videos ofpeople saying like, yeah, we saw
someone crawling on there andwe were screaming for law
enforcement to come over and it,you know.
And again, when people say fiveminutes, it could easily have
been a minute, you know, becausesometimes in these moments
times move so slow, you know.
So it's like you know, it'slike you got to keep a little
bit of leeway, but either way,you know, to have someone, it's

(04:28):
like, okay, they crawled up onthere, they had to get in
position, I'm assuming theyeither had to put their gun
together, or how did they getthat in?
Or was it sewed away?
There's a lot of questions inthere where you're just like man
, you know whether it was onpurpose or not.
I mean the security detail lookslike they dropped the ball.
I mean they were able to likeat least shoot back quick and I

(04:48):
got some questions, especiallyfor you, chris, when it comes to
watching some of those videos.
But either way, it was just acrazy situation and kind of a
whirlwind of emotions for me, atleast personally, because I'm
like thinking, oh my God, isthis?
You know, I mean I text youlike Tim, I was like dude, we
were.
That was like a half inch awayfrom like, in my opinion, like a
potential civil war orsomething starting you know, you

(05:12):
know.
so, either way, I'm personally,I'm glad he's okay and my heart
goes out to the, the person thatgot killed, because there was
one that is kind of getsoverlooked a little bit in all
of this, but there was.
You know there's a bystander inthe crowd that got shot and is
now dead you know it's like lookpolitics, are politics right?

Speaker 1 (05:35):
I, I mean, I may be a democrat, you guys may be a
republican, or you could begreen party, I could be
libertarian.
Whatever, we should be able toagree to disagree or agree to
agree and shake hands and findsomewhere to meet in the middle.
Nobody should die over politics, not in the United States.
I mean how this country wasfought and bought for with blood
of our you know, let's be realour ancestors, the people that

(05:57):
found this country was a highprice, even to this day.
Chris, you served in themilitary.
I grew up in a military home.
You have seen firsthand thesacrifices for our freedoms.
I really think that it's beentaken for granted.
I hate to say this, butprobably have had it too good
for too long.
Nobody should go to a rally andbe killed.

(06:18):
To me I'm just kind of likewhat in the heck is happening
with our country?
It's sad.
You have a great point, jordan.
I think we know Trump got shotand there's amazing photos which
I'm going to put up on here.
But what about the civilianwho's just there to hang out,
maybe with family, friends andsupport Trump?
You know that's a sad thing.
I would bet Trump is probablygoing to send some money their

(06:43):
way and pay for funeral costs orsomething like that.
I guarantee he'll probably dothat.
Yeah, I can definitely see that.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yeah, for sure.
I think with the civilian I hada conversation.
So the way I found outyesterday, I was on a thread
with a bunch of veteransyesterday that I studied film
with at film school and one ofthe younger guys Trump got
almost trump was, uh, there wasa attempted assassination on
trump and I was like, hmm, he'skind of one of those guys where

(07:12):
you question everything you hear.
So I was like I look it upreally quick, don't see anything
, and I'm like, hey, man, let'skeep politics out of this thread
.
That's what I, that's what Isaid, because it's it's a very
diverse thread with about like20 individuals, right, and it's
a group chat.
It's a group chat, right, yeah,so I'm constantly looking the

(07:35):
next 10 minutes looking forsomething.
I can't find anything and Idon't have the TV on, so I'm
just searching, googling, andnothing pops up.
So I don't think anything of it.
But then 30 minutes later, ding, ding, ding, start getting
notified.
I'm just searching, Googling,and nothing pops up, so I don't
think anything of it.
But then the 30 minutes later,ding, ding, ding start getting
notified.
I'm like, oh, wow, okay,something did happen.
Still didn't realize he wasshot in the ear, like you, like
Jordan, like Jordan said, halfinch away from a civil war,

(07:57):
right, like that's.
I think that was a huge point,right there.
And then then find out that youknow he's shot in the ear.
And then I start seeing theplayback and, um, immediately
started thinking about thecivilian right, that was kind of
like an afterthought.
So hopefully, you know god, youknow peace goes out to their
family, um, you know, hopefully,you know god can comfort them,

(08:18):
um, but it's one of those thingsimmediately I thought was like,
wow, you shouldn't have beenthere.
It was one of those things thatI like, almost like when
there's a victim of a drive-byshooting at a party in the hood,
yeah, you know.
But but because, honestly,that's where these political
rallies have come, because therehas been violence in the past.
Right, there's fights thatbreak out, there's a bit of a

(08:38):
mob mentality and it could getdisorderly really, really quick.
And but all these events,there's usually a buttload of
security.
Buttload of security, right,Like out of nowhere security is
coming.
So to you guys' point I thinkSecret Service dropped the ball
completely.
I know I've been working in thegovernment most of my adult life

(08:59):
and I will say there's someincompetent people.
Things don't run as smoothly asyou think they would.
But then you go behind thescenes, like you all see it,
right, and the fire departmentit's like wait, like, oh, we
just don't get paidautomatically, no, somebody has
to go, and like push a button,right.
So maybe someone, I don't know,maybe someone said, oh yeah, we

(09:21):
swept up there, you know.
Maybe someone's like, oh, oh,yeah, we checked it out already,
but then it didn't happen.
So, um, I think, uh, definitelyerring on the side of like, uh,
incompetence.
That's where I would land onthis initially.
And then you and then lookingat, okay, like looking at some
of the other details andresearching, I know you said Tim

(09:49):
that you were looking.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Look, you're doing a deep dive into twitter yesterday
, dude.
What did you find?
Okay, so you know, I knowtwitter's changed to x and
people are.
You know, there's differentfeelings about it.
Right, and to me it is the lastplace of free speech and, that
being said, I would say, becareful when you go on there,
because they show everything'sstill shown on there.
I mean, there's a wild videos,people getting killed, like
everything you could think of isstill on Twitter.
So, but at the, I would say,within the first hour of Trump

(10:16):
being shot, like the news isn'tgoing to put up a bunch of you
know, civilian photos and videosand pictures Like they're going
to.
We would hope they they'regonna wait until they have the
concrete evidence and know whatexactly is happening before they
say he's been shot, right,which I still think is being
downplayed by mainstream media.
Right now.
They're saying differentverbiage instead of being saying
hey, he was shot at right butas soon as I yeah so I went on

(10:43):
twitter and dude, like I said,said within the first hour
there's dude, there's video ofthe Secret Service sniper
capping this guy, right after,like you could see, the sniper
was honed in on this dude andyou see Trump speaking.
He's turning his head and he'slike looking up and then back in
his scope, and then the guyfires and he goes back to scope

(11:03):
and shoots him.
Right.
You're kind of like, well, waita minute, what?
Why didn't he pop that guy'snugget as soon as he saw him
with a rifle?

Speaker 3 (11:10):
on the roof right that doesn't make sense.
Almost does it almost look likea, like there was like a, a
moment of disbelief, okay likefrom the person like because
it's like the profile shot andhe's like, he looks up and then
he goes back in and I thinkthat's where, like, look, the

(11:32):
reason why is going to be like.
That's going to be up towhatever you're going to believe
Psycho, person, psyop, let himdo it, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Yeah, and I mean I don't know.
I kind of think Trump's beenpersecuted quite a bit through
this process.
But you know, I think this isalso a very extreme situation,
right, and I lean towards thelike just a just a catastrophic

(11:57):
response to a very serioussituation.
Yeah, and but I think what'sinteresting is that we're seeing
in a very short notice thateveryone all of a sudden is a
tactical expert.
You know, everyone all of asudden is like, oh, they dropped
the ball.
I mean, I just watched somethingthat it was like and again, I'm
not against some of the stancesthat I'm seeing, but I think

(12:18):
it's ironic that, like thingsare being said so confidently
that you know it's like dudeyou're, you're taking out the
factors for human errorcompletely and you know so.
I mean, did they drop the ball?
As far as not seeing someone inthere?
Yeah, but if you're scanning,like let's say you're a sniper,
right or let's whatever it islike, if you say you're playing

(12:41):
a freaking video game, dude,like if you're sitting on top
and you're scanning an area,because this is your area that
you're designated to to scan,because that's how this works,
right, you're responsible forsections.
That's how you break it down asfar as span of control and
things like that.
Like you're telling me that,like you know, you've done this
a hundred times and you've neverseen someone playing with the

(13:02):
gun back at you.
And it doesn't mean youshouldn't react fast, it just
means that split second ofid'ing something and not either
being like boom, pull thetrigger, or what.
The and then pull the triggeris the difference of someone
getting a round off and in thiscase, obviously clipped the
president's ear and took someoneout and they responded fast to

(13:23):
it.
It's just like the amount ofgrief that's coming from it.
I'm like, dude, I, you know I'mnot a, I'm not a specialist, I'm
not a sniper, I have noexperience in that, I'm not the
person for that job.
But I also like and I knowthere's people out there that
dedicate their life to this intheir profession, and that's
what we hope for because, like,when you made the comment about

(13:44):
the fire service, I was actuallyexplaining this to my wife.
It was like, look, if you'vebeen in the fire service for 15
years and let's say, you'vepromoted up the ranks and now
you're in charge of a group, butyou've never been on a real
incident like a real bad one.
That's a good point how isanyone expect you to?
I mean, look you, you stimulate, you try the best you can, but

(14:07):
when you actually see somethingin front of you and you're the
one that's the shot caller.
That's where the difference ofpeople who are great and people
who are just really good,trained people, come into hand.
You know, not everyone's goingto respond in the same way that
we would hope that they do now,obviously.
Yeah, I hope that the specialsir or the Secret Service is

(14:32):
like the elite of the elite.
But when you're watching agroup of gals in front of the
motorcade fumble to put theirguns back into their holsters,
it's going to.
It makes people and this isn'tit.
Look, I'd be freaking out.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
I'd probably piss my pants like if I'm being honest
I'm not saying I'm a tough guy-at all, because I'm not.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
I'm just saying that like I would hope that they're
hiring the tough people that canact in those moments, but again
we're ruling out the fact thatthey're just, they're people you
know.
So, again, like there's so manyways that this is gonna go and
like where my, my brain goes,versus how I feel about it in
the moment, versus 10 minuteslater after reading something,

(15:09):
it kind of keeps fluctuating,you know, right, anyway, I think
, jordan, like all your points,bro, like that's ground zero,
like that's the place to start,right, where you like everything
else could be true, right, like, but I don't think this, this,
the snipers, who?

Speaker 2 (15:27):
a service agent, whoever he or whoever, I don't
know what agency he works for, Idon't think he knew what he was
looking at, right, he did.
He didn't know that was going tohappen, he wasn't part of the.
If there's some kind of playlike op or false flag or stage
or whatever, he didn't knowright and um, and he, uh, and we

(15:47):
could, we could play whatsunday morning sniper, you know,
oh, yeah, man, right, call duty, right like um, but at the end
of the day, like you know, we, Ithink, uh, we can speak to
someone's ineptus or, like youknow, they stumbled, they
dropped the ball, whatever it is, yeah, that happened, it was,
it's on video, right, like hereacted, had a look, and then

(16:10):
he's like no way, disbelief, letthem, let me take the shot.
So I think, like that is a fact, like that's something that we
could all like go from and thenlike the conversation from there
.
I think we have to trace ourway back to that point and then
maybe we can find like arational place and land

(16:31):
somewhere like okay, maybe, likethis is actually what happened
right-wing friends who are onthe right and they're just
putting out a bunch ofmisinformation, disinformation,
right Like, along with somereally funny memes, that's right
.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
They're the best memes dude the best.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
I know you have some on deck.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
Oh yeah, I know you're in the holster.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
And so there's I mean , there's just so much.
I think, just as men of actionwho we are, like, men who've
worked within the government,who who hold down jobs, who have
families and support thecommunity we live in, we always
have, to like, remain rationaland reasonable first and
foremost, even if in just inpublic, in private, yeah, like,

(17:21):
okay, like some's some crazyshit going on, I think for sure.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
You guys are right.
If you think about it, you're.
Okay, let's think about this.
You're in the military, chris,right?
Can you imagine me or Jordancoming in and let's just say,
just because we've been in thefire service over 15 years in
leadership quality, whatever youthink, right, they say, hey,
you're in charge of thisbattalion, take them into war,

(17:48):
we're gonna fail we're.
There's no experience there.
There's nothing you know whatI'm saying?

Speaker 3 (17:52):
like there's no less, there's a fire thumbs on fire,
we're good yeah that justbecause you are what you are
doesn't mean you're meant tolead a thousand people in the
battle.
True, true, the experienceright.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
The experience there, and I mean those are such valid
points because we can sit backand watch these videos.
We were not there, okay, mostof the people in America was not
there, so I can't tell you whatthe person holding the phone or
taking the pictures truly saw,right.
So you, what the person holdingthe phone or taking the
pictures truly saw, right.
So, yeah, maybe it's those guys.
First times you can have allthat training, just like we do
in the fire service.

(18:30):
But until you actually startfighting fire and making rescues
and cutting people out of cars,go to paramedic school, start
you know, get, do you know doingcpr on people and giving
medication, like you won't know.
Until, as we call it, therolodex, you're like, oh yeah, I
remember, oh yeah, I remember,I've been on this, right, you
can flip through like, okay,I've been on a person who's had
a heart attack, I've been on aperson who's broke a bone, I've

(18:51):
run calls, or somebody wastrapped in a car.
I got to cut them out, right.
But until you get those Rolodex, it's like yo, what?
What I want to say about that isthat's the human factor, right,
you have to think about thehuman factor behind everything,
right?
We're not perfect people, evenpeople in leadership or in the

(19:13):
specialty programs like theSecret Service or in, you know,
the Green Berets or Navy SEALs.
They may be the top of the top,but they're still not perfect
people.
We still fail, right?
That's one of the biggestthings I tell people about,
especially coming back to myfaith.
Right, the biggest issue I hadwith a long time ago is the
people, the people in the church, the people, the leadership,
right.

(19:33):
And not understanding that theyfail, they make mistakes, they
stumble, just like I do.
They still have problems, youknow.
So I think it's the biggestthing behind this.
We won't until theinvestigation's over, we truly
won't know, but there was avideo that I did see where the
did you see the guy get aninterview with that trump 2024

(19:54):
hat on?

Speaker 3 (19:54):
with like the hair right.
He was saying yeah, it was likethat, like the the redhead,
like ginger, yeah yeah, you guyssaw that right where you say
that that's not mean right, he'sjust yeah, there's a ginger
baby.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
I think that.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
I think the hair's part of the hat right yeah yeah,
no, it's part of that I wish Ishould have pulled it out so I
could bring it up, if thatreally is his hair, though.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
He needs to get back on tv.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
That's pretty I don't know how much I believe him,
but you guys remember what he'ssaying.
He was saying we saw him upthere.
We were telling the police.
There's a guy on the roof ofthat connex box where that
little building was and theydidn't really do anything right?
So there's, there's stillthings in question where you're
like huh, I don't know.
So if you guys, you guys sawthat video, what's your thoughts
on that?

Speaker 3 (20:40):
so, you know, like like you've run medic standby
for like large events before,right, you know when, like a
missing persons thing comes in,like so, or like a kid, like
someone finds a kid wanderingoff and like it's a very common
occurrence and uh, this is.
This is obviously is not in thesame level of severity.

(21:01):
But what I mean is like whenyou have split groups of people
that are in charge of differentareas, the talking, the back and
forth.
There are other and again I'mnot.
When I explain this, I'm nottrying to like make excuses, I'm
just trying to put like, like,there's, there's the reality of
how things work, right.
So if you're in charge of asection and you're hearing, you

(21:23):
know, let's say, there's athousand people in your section,
that's a thousand comments,that's a thousand things you're,
you're constantly scanning,you're looking around, you're
doing all this stuff and if yousee some guy with a wacky hat on
and he's screaming, hey,there's someone on the roof, I
mean, how many times doessomeone say that?

Speaker 1 (21:41):
at every event.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
And again, it doesn't mean that you don't investigate
that, because that is a veryimportant thing to investigate.
What I'm just saying is thatwhen that guy's delivering the
story and saying, hey, we werescreaming and I think he used
two to three minutes was thetimeframe of what he was saying.
Uh, for for that and and a verywelcome.
What he's saying is absolutelytrue.
I'm not saying that he's makinganything up you know, sometimes
two to three minutes.
Let's say it's 30 to a minuteand a half of what the real time

(22:08):
might have been.
Or let's say it was that?
either way, if that guy'sstreaming and for whatever
reason, that uh officer orsecret service member or
security detail, whatever theywere, if they were not in a good
vantage point, if they lookedup, didn see him, went right
back to scanning.
If there was, you know, or heyput the call out.
Hey was someone saying there'ssomething on top of the roof.

(22:30):
Can you someone give me a quickcheck?
Right?
Does that quick check mean OK,there's 30 seconds to receive,
30 seconds to look, 30 seconds?
to confirm 30 seconds to this.
So now we're building atimeline of you know, no one's a
superhero.
We don't have supersonic speed,we just have gut intuition and
an ability to respond towhatever is like reactive state

(22:51):
right.
So so I can see that all thesethings can be correlating as
true.
They could have been screaming,the cops could have been in the
same time trying to figure outwhat that was.
I have no idea how big thebuilding was in relation to,
like, my height.
So if I was 20 feet away andthis is 30 feet tall, I'm not
seeing someone sitting in thecenter of this thing, you know.

(23:14):
And if that means getting callsout and you think, that there's
no traffic going on the radio,like we have very high tech
stuff at our agency and weconstantly get shut out on
incidents when there's multiplethings happening because people
talking over each other oh mygod, no, yeah, so there again,
there's like there's human error, there's technology error and

(23:35):
then there's maybe gut intuition, which is also human error, of
like seeing something like theseand that and I'm not dogging
dude, that sniper took a crackshot in about a split second and
apparently yeah he did his job.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
I wish I could take this shot.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
Yeah, right, you know .
So it's like, again, it's just,it's a shitty situation.
I think that they did the bestthey could do.
They drop the ball withscanning and keeping out as
tight perimeter.
And or maybe, you know again,maybe it's the, the pre-scanning
.
Because, again, like, how'dthis guy get in?
How did he put his gun together?

(24:08):
How was he able to crawl upaside, get in a position?
Because that is not a, theysaid it was 146 yards, right, so
one and a half football fields.
And if anyone's ever shot a gun,even with the scope on it,
you're not just going to pullthat thing up and be able to sit
into it that that guy was in aprone position.
He moved into an advantageousspot to take a shot, right, so

(24:29):
it did take time.
So in that matter, it's likethere's a lot of things going on
.
It's like, ok, so this guymissed out.
People were yelling, they'retrying to get confirmation.
In the meantime, first shot goesout.
Sniper responds it's over,right, well, if you listen to
video, it sounds like there'slike four or five shots.
So I again, you know, maybeit's snipers shooting from

(24:49):
different angles, becausethere's more than two people off
the ground in these kind ofsituations.
So, um, yeah, it just it'scrazy and I think, like, like
what you're saying, chris, it'slike, at the end of the day,
ground zero.
This is where we're at now, thespeculative reasoning behind it
.
That's what I'm assuming.
In the next couple days we'regoing to get they.
Uh, I forgot the kid's name issome 20 year old.

(25:12):
Uh, that the names come out ofwho the shooter was not a lot of
detail behind that, but here'swhere the stories are going to
run right, was he?
you know, because I sawsomething it was like, oh, he
contributed to the bidencampaign in 2020.
You guys, you know, because Isaw something it was like, oh he
contributed to the Bidencampaign in 2021.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Oh, did you guys?

Speaker 3 (25:26):
You know I was like okay, was it 50 bucks or 100,000
?
I was like is he somewhere here?

Speaker 2 (25:31):
I'm sorry, more than me.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
I said, that's what he contributed, so just so you
guys know I just pulled up thenews and yes, people this is I
pulled up Fox News, whatever.
If people this is I pulled upfox news, whatever if you don't
like it, whatever.
The victim at the rally is aformer fire chief.
No way he was heroicallyshielded his wife and daughters

(25:54):
from the bullets oh my god dude.
God bless him, man.
That's a man right there, dude,protecting his family, that's
um, that's sad, that's it.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Um, that is very sad dude.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
So now I want to play devil's advocate here.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
Gentlemen, let's do it.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
We all know like every conspiracy theory that has
come out since like 2019, 2020,has pretty much been true.
Right, we know that jfk waskilled by the CIA.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
Oh man, we're going here.
I don't know that.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
I just want to throw it out there.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
I just want to throw it out there because, look,
you're in the military.
Chris Jordan and I both loveconspiracy theories, but let's
be very honest right now, donaldTrump is a massive threat to
the Democratic Party and to thebig three-letter word agencies.
Right, cia, FBI there's a fewothers, right?
He wants to IRS, irs.

(26:53):
He wants to clean them outbecause they were all backing
Biden and all the illegal,whatever stuff they were doing.
Right?
So he wants to clean house.
So he wants a clean house.
When you start going afterthose three, those big three
letter agencies like that, Iwould say you might want to
watch out if they got the ballsto kill Kennedy.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
I don't know.
So that's so funny.
I was just talking to my wifeabout this like literally right
before I logged in, so I was allfired up.
I'm fascinated with the JFKstuff, uh, just because and
again, I'm not I'm not saying aparticular group did it, I just
think there was more than oneperson involved, and I'm I kind

(27:38):
of fall under the Lee HarveyOswald didn't act alone, uh
thought process in it, and onlybecause of a lot of information
that has come out.
Well, after the fact.
You know you can build theargument like you're like.
You're saying like like mostnotable thing or one of the most
notable there's a lot of thingsthat happened.
But with JFK, right, fired thelead, the head of the CIA, yeah,

(27:58):
who ended up becoming the leadon his autopsy.
But but again, right fordifferentials of opinion of
where we wanted to be utilizingour military outside of a
potential conflict, directlywith the United States.
That's the big thing, right.
We go to the Bay of Pigs, we goto the issues with Cuba, we go
coming off the Korean War andthen not wanting to engage with

(28:20):
Vietnam, right.
So take that for whatever youwant.
Conflict of interest alsothreatened to, you know, change
things up, ends up gettingassassinated, and then the story
gets wide after that.
So to say that the potentialpossibility of wanting to get

(28:42):
Trump out of there, I think isabsolutely a potential.
You know, now, to the extent ofassassination, I don't know, man
, a lot of weird things happenand you know I mean my first
thought is that, like, I'm like,oh, this is, I can't believe
this.
But then it's like, okay, youalso have to understand.
Like, if you're and I'll playthe devil's advocate for this

(29:02):
also as far as, like, if you'relooking at it from the other
party's angle, is the point topotentially start a civil war
worth it?
Is it truly worth it, not, not?
Is it like, oh, we'll show them, because I mean again I was
talking about this yesterday alittle bit of saying, like man,

(29:23):
what a ploy this could be to doan attempted assassination, to
try to fire up the extreme rightwing people to do something
crazy right before the electionhappens so that you can be like,
hey, even though Biden is ababbling idiot, in my opinion
he's still going to be a betterset than the propagating

(29:45):
potential of someone you knowthat can rally up people that
are willing to do crazy shitright so like as far as, like
looking at it from the otherside of it.
But then the reality of that isit's like, yeah, okay, that
could make sense, but I don'tthink that it's going to be like
just rallying up a couple offolks that do some crazy stuff.
I'm talking like you have amassive group of people that if

(30:08):
there was talk of a I know thequote, unquote civil war or
whatever, that would even looklike like I don't think that
that's something that eitherside wants to happen.
You know, truly, because nowwe're talking about loss of
absolute control of, ofgoverning power.
You know, and I and I thinkthat we put a lot of faith and

(30:29):
hope in our government systemsand military for protection.
But if the United States reallydecided to be like, hey, we're
gonna do this, I don't thinkthat it really matters a whole
lot, because we have so manypeople here that even if we had
700,000 military folks that weretrying to disarm people,
there's enough blowback that itwould be catastrophic for both

(30:49):
parties.
If that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
Yeah, I mean, what did the Japanese say in World
War II, why they didn't reallytry to invade America?
I think the quote was they havemore guns than they do blades
of grass.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
No.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
There'll be a lot of bodies in the street right with
the civil war, like I think thatthat's my take on it, that's
why I don't want it to happen,that's why I'll do anything for
it not to happen.
Uh, I don't want to.
I don't want my neighbor tofight against.
I don't want to see neighboragainst neighbor or, you know,
brother against brother, fatheragainst son, and that's what it
would be like Block againstblock.
It would be insane, right Likethis urbanized giant nation

(31:31):
going head to head right andthis assassination attempt
because that's what it was hasthe even the attempt, he doesn't
even have to die.
Has the even, you know the temp, he doesn't even have to die.
That temp has the ability tocause unrest.

(31:57):
Right like that, on that, onthat, on that degree, and um,
like you were saying jordan,like there's the devil's
advocate, it's a, it's a youcould.
It's like did, did the right,did the left set this up to
incite violence at the end ofright.
So the right looks like they'reinsane.
So we look like we're moderateand like we're going to keep the
.
The point is that we're we'renot going to like allow like a

(32:17):
civil war to happen Right andviolence in the street.
So I could definitely see that.
I think, um my initial likeconspiracy, like gremlin, as I

(32:39):
like to call him, he's in there.
He's in there and he's justjust like he's clawing away
right like at reason andrational thought, but uh, at the
same time he's connecting dots,like like that are like insane
right.
So, like my initial thought, uhwas like some type of false
false flag operation because man, just one, he, he got shot in

(33:03):
the head and didn't die.
That's like remarkable,remarkable right, like again an
inch to the right, he's doneright and like maybe centimeters
to the right and um, so uh, Ithink, um, I was like okay,
false flag, garner support, he'sgot 34, what 34 counts?

(33:25):
That he's still facing.
Right, yeah, like, like, let's.
He's a thug, he's a gangster.
Yeah, yeah, for sure, let'smaybe a little wag the dog Right
, let's take the spotlightsomewhere else.
This fool is gangster.
He survived an assassinationattempt.
They got, they got the media.

(33:47):
You know he's over there withhis fist up.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Let's get one of the greatest pictures of all time
going on, drop this in here.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
I'm gonna make a t-shirt with that.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
He's like yeah, with the gangster glasses and the
joint dude.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
You can't tell me how thug that is, dog the
composition alone right, it's agreat photo.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
It's a super good photo.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
I haven't seen that one yet dude, I mean that's the
principal advisory, but dude,like that, you know what, chris.
You said it to me before westarted.
I don't know if one yet.
Dude, I mean that's theprincipal advisory, but dude,
like that, you know what, chris.
You said it to me before,before we started.
I don't know if you want toremember and speak on that, but
you know if I was in hissituation the second that bullet
whizzed by my ear and I fell tothe ground.
I don't know if I would have thewherewithal to get up and throw

(34:41):
my fist up and say fight.
He knew exactly what he wasdoing.
That's a powerful man.
If you want to speak on thatdude.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
No, I just like we were talking like he knew
exactly what he was doing, hechose, like he, he took the
moment and he made the best ofit.
And because he's that type ofperson, right, he's, he's
adaptable, he's, he's constantlythinking on his feet, he's a
businessman, he, um, he knowshow to uh make something uh and
bring it to his side, to his umcan't think of the word right

(35:08):
now, uh, advantage and uh, hetotally was right there in the
moment.
And for that I, I, I have likeadmiration for, just as the, the
celebrity that the tv star thathe is right to just be in the
frame of mind to like, hey,fight, fight like do you guys
see this?
look at this thing.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Oh my god that picture, right there is gonna be
in history books.
That dude, that's chris 100.
That is, oh gosh, I'm trying tocuss, but that's some real shit
.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
It is, that's hard.
You know, I mean, like you'resaying, chris, is like the kind
of the vibrato of being able toturn something that I mean look,
if I got clipped in the earwhen I was speaking, I'd
probably be crying on the ground.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
Oh, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
I'm kind of painting myself as a picture, like I'm
not a real strong guy, but Idon't think that's true.
But I'm just being honest, likeI've never been shot at and, uh
, I would think like, or atleast in that split second of
being like, oh, my God, what amI doing?
Yeah, you know, like iseveryone okay around me, like
you know, I just got shot in theear, you know, but like to get

(36:22):
up and be like we're not good,nice, try, buddy.
You know, like that kind ofthing, like I don't know it is,
it doesn't do anything but presshis marketing up.
And I mean, i's already beenkind of going in an upward
trajectory, even after all the,the money things with Stormy
Daniels, although I did see andthis was from a comedian, mark

(36:44):
Norman, so this is not from mebut he posted a tweet that said
now we've both been shot in theface, and it said, quote Stormy
Daniels oh, it was, the timingwas not very nice, but I thought
, I thought, damn, that washilarious.

(37:04):
Uh, that's, you know, I may.
Obviously, you know he's okay,so I guess it makes it better.
But, um, I mean, dude, justeither way, we witnessed a uh,
you know, a very historicalevent, you know.
I mean there's a lot of crazyshit that's been going on in the
last few years and a lot ofstuff building up to the
election.
I think everyone is aware thatelection season is going to be

(37:25):
nuts and scandals and debaclesand kind of crazy things.
I mean they do.
They happen with every electionseason.
Now, this one happens to be apretty crazy one.
This one happens to be a prettycrazy one, and especially
coming off the debate and howJoe Biden sounded and then it
just it's nuts.

(37:45):
It's sad as an American, Ithink, to think that we're in
that kind of situation wherethis can happen and, in all
honesty, dude whether it wasTrump or biden or anybody, you
know, it's like look, I can, I.
I do not like joe biden at all,I'm not a fan, but he's the

(38:05):
president and I'll respect thatand but it doesn't mean that I
want to see him get shot.
It doesn't mean that I want tosee anybody that I have any
political like that.
I disagree on that.
It's worth, you know, havingsomeone publicly being murdered.
You know that's.
That's not OK.
I thought we're a bettercountry than that, you know.

(38:26):
I mean, look look at theelections that just happened in
Mexico.
You know the lady that won waslike the 25th candidate that
wasn't murdered over the lasttwo years.
That was running in oppositionof the presidency down there, oh
wow.
Now that's extreme.
It's very extreme, and I'm notsaying we're anything like that,

(38:46):
but we definitely open the doorto that kind of shit when we
allow this to happen here.
Yeah right.
And I think we're better thanthat.
I know we're better than that,I know we're better than that.
And all the political discourseand firing people up, whether
you're for it or against it, youknow, at the end of the day,
going back to like what you said, tim, like there has to be some

(39:06):
kind of civil, likeunderstanding, and that's really
easy to say right now.
It's super easy.
You know.
Someone's not screaming in myface, telling me that I'm an
idiot and using all the backyardwords that normally lead into a
fight.
But at the end of the day, yougot to be stronger than the
keyboard in front of you.
And because some people writesome mean on there doesn't mean
that everyone feels that wayabout it, and there's a lot more

(39:28):
people that are in the middlethat can be able to rationalize
stuff.
Even if we do disagree at theroot cause of it, we can still
talk to each other and that'swhat it's about.
And you know, I'm hoping thatthis pendulum of insanity can
kind of swing back towards thecenter a little bit, you know,
because it's never going to beperfect.
I don't think anyone expects itto be Well.

(39:51):
Actually it's probably not true.
Probably a lot of people expectthat.
But but you know, the realityof it is that we need to get
back to a little bit more of acivil discourse about things and
I I hope that maybe this shakesit up enough to where people
start going like ah man, I mighthate this mfr, but you know I

(40:12):
don't want to see him die, youknow that's not okay.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
You don't want to see what happens if he dies.
Right, well, like it's notworth it's not worth you.
Oh man, I wish he was pushing updaisies, right, like I, you
know.
But we don't like what willoccur.
People aren't thinking thateven far ahead, right, because
they're so just like you said,like the keyboard, the screen,
it's just right in front of themand they're just responding to
stimuli, right, boom, boom, boomall day, every day, and, um, I

(40:38):
think, uh, going back to likethe, the, the conspiracy part of
it, false flag on either side,right it was, if it was an
incident that was orchestratedto manipulate public perception
okay.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
So either way, um can you explain to people, just so
they know who is for people whodon't know what false flag means
you have like a just so theyknow, for people who don't know
what false flag means.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
You have like a short just so they know what you're
talking about when you say falseflag.
Okay, yeah, how would I explainthat?
Yeah, I think yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
Like a fake assassination yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
False flag is a covert operation designed to
deceive the public.
Right, operation designed todeceive the public.
Got it Right.
And there's another term.
It's called wag the dog is,when you know, usually the dog's
wagging the tail, but insteadthe tail is wagging the dog.
So you're looking.
So there's a lot of politicalterms and I think the term
originates from a navaloperations like a flying false

(41:33):
colors, right and to deceiveenemy ships.
Okay, and it's um, so usuallyperformed by one group or part
of the government, um, butappears to be done by another.
So, um, a lot of the people, alot of right, uh, right wing
conspiracy theories, theoristsabout the when they talk about

(41:53):
the school shootings and thingslike that, they, uh, they claim
it to be, uh, false flagoperations as well right, yeah
right.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
Just it's like an incident used to propagate a uh,
basically, whether it's likesupport or like to or to create
opposition, right and justjustify it, justify a particular
course of action becausesomething happened right.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
Oh, school shootings, let's take away the guns, like
that's the uh right, yeah,create something to solve the
problem right, exactly it waslike the first thing that popped
up in my head.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
It was like the iraq war, like like weapons of mass
destruction, right like oh, wefound them.
Guys are over here and they'relike well yeah, this place
seemed like they wouldn't begood if they had a bunch of
nukes speaking of iraq, it makesme think of bush.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Um, I mean, that dude did dodge two shoes that one
time oh, that's right, that'sright I remember that yeah, dude
, you can't do it left rightdude and then trump's like let
me put my shoes on.

(43:08):
I don't know, maybe there's aconnection.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
Maybe there's a connection, my gremlin, my
conspiracy dude, that was like,or that was the whole.
That was when reagan, when theballoon popped and he was like
you missed me yeah, oh yeah outof nowhere you know, I was like,
oh, but that was after theassassination attempt.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
So, yeah, well, chris , I mean chris dude, there's one
thing what for you?
Because I love how you textedme when this happened.
I was texting Jordan and thenyou didn't even say did you hear
what happened?
This and that you said PSYOP,false flag.
Like you gave me all thescenarios, Like what do you
think it is?

Speaker 2 (43:44):
Right right Loan shooters.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
Yeah, what was your initial reaction?
And like what do you think?
Do you think false flag, I mean, could it be Joe Biden CIA, you
know?
I mean, could it be Joe BidenCIA, you know?

Speaker 2 (43:56):
right.
Right, I mean, who knows betterthan the government and the
people within the government howincompetent people within the
government are?
Right?
So, going back to ground zeroof where we were, where we begin
the conversation, is someonedropped the ball, did they?

(44:16):
And did they?
Did they take advantage of that?
You know, if, like, that's whatwould have to happen, right,
someone would have to know like,hey, this person sucks at, like
checking the perimeter, or likethis and this, or like they're
going to turn and you can walkbehind them, and so, like
there's a lot of groups and alot of people involved, it would
take, I mean, it would take alot of people and it would take
a lot of people in the know andwithin the agencies, or, like I

(44:41):
think I mentioned, like, or justsome dude who just like crime
of passion.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
It could be as simple as that.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
He's like I can climb up on this roof right here.
I got a gun in the car.
I could take that shot.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
No one's checking it out.
What's that saying?
They always say, right, thesafest place to be is in the
heart of the lion's den.
They wouldn't suspect you to bethere.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Right yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
Well, you know, and it's like again, whether it's
whether it's the PSYOP or therewas multiple people involved
with maybe, whether it's saying,let's say, it's looking past
something right To allowsomething to take place, Exactly
Half something take place andthen half the people well, let's
say it doesn't have to be half,it could be like three people,
it could be the people that werehey, you're in charge of this
area and that guy looks away.

(45:22):
You know which?
I'm sure there's going to besome investigation on multiple
aspects of this, like a crazyamount.
So this is there's going to beso much stuff coming out and
then you're going to see, like,dude, give it, give it a week.
You're gonna see every personthat's on the Secret Service.
You're gonna see who theircampaign donors are.
You can see who they've onlyhas any post that come up.

(45:43):
They're gonna take this andthey're gonna split it as much
as possible to either push thatup or knock it down.
The idea of there being a goodinside job, right, funding.
I've already seen it today withum that there was requests,
like two weeks ago, to beef upthe secret service uh, uh,
people for Trump's, you knowrallies and that got shot down

(46:06):
from up top.
Now I got shot down by ademocratic person, um, and that
doesn't mean and I'm not sayingthat that means they're in on it
.
What I'm saying is that thestoryline is going to keep
pushing.
It's going to and it's going toget pushed from both sides.
Whether it was, you know, thegunman acted alone.
But I thought I heard a prettycompelling not compelling, but

(46:28):
definitely something that wouldsay that this could lean more to
a crazy person who happened toget extraordinarily lucky to be
in the position, who happened toget extraordinarily lucky to be
in the position, and it was.
The comment was that it's onlya matter of time, when you paint
somebody as a hitler fascist,that someone's going to feel

(46:56):
like empowered enough to dosomething crazy to take this
person out.
And I sat on that for a second,because at first it was like
it's almost like I've kind ofbecome numb to hearing like, oh,
trump's hitler, trump's afascist, trump's a hitler
fascist, he's a nationalist.
It's fat, all this stuff right.
And it's like is it that I'vebecome used to hearing that?
So I don't think of it as such.
I'm like, well, that'saggressive.

(47:17):
You know, I'd be like I'm not Idon't think joe biden's
stalling.
I don't think that he's mao.
I don't think that he's a, youknow, an absolute communist like
ruler.
You know there's a lot ofsocialists.
What's that?
Just an old dude just an olddude who can't talk I don't even
think honestly, I don't eventhink joe biden's the problem.

(47:38):
He's just a sock puppet at thispoint.
But uh, but either way,whatever the organization, the
people that he has around him,it doesn't, it doesn't matter
what matters is when we userhetoric and we use ways of of
describing people.
It's it goes back to uh, oh mygosh, uh, he was a nazi official

(47:58):
.
Garbles garbles he has a he hasa famous quote that if you tell
somebody a lie long enough,they're going to believe it.
And I and I, and I, and I thinkthere's a lot of truth to that,
because, well, you know, lookat what we're doing right now.
We have the ability to get onhere and talk to people and
reach out to people that maybeare interested not interested,
learning, supporting, againstwhatever.

(48:18):
But we're, you know, we havethe ability to say stuff at our
level here.
You know, we're not talkingabout mass media.
We're not talking about, youknow, take whatever tv show on
there, that's for or againstsomething.
But when, as a public, whenwe're sitting here watching this
because that's what we'readdicted to, right, the
knowledge, the news, theentertainment, all this stuff,

(48:40):
when we hear something, enoughit may be, you know, it doesn't
click with everybody in the sameway, but I was like, using that
example it's like I've heard,like when I for used to hear
people call Trump Hitler, I'd belike you're an idiot, dude you
know how bad.
Hitler was.
You're putting him in thatcategory, like you may not like
this person, but calling someonewhat I would consider one of
the most evil people thatexisted, like that's a pretty

(49:03):
crazy comparison.
But then if you go on, maxinewaters is slinging that term
like it's no big deal.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
You have other people in the house, on the floor of
the senate, right, yeah?

Speaker 3 (49:12):
exactly, and there's no ramification from it.
So so as a viewer, you kind ofget numb to that.
You get numb to it, or at leastmaybe.
Or plants a seed.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Yeah, I believe that it's a political hyper, her,
probably, her, probably rightstatements and claims that
aren't made, that aren't meantto be taken literally.
But we live in a world todaywhere the common person is

(49:42):
taking everything literally,right and um, and it's uh, it's
just like you used to userhetoric, right, it's a
rhetorical device.
Often it's just used bypoliticians and commentators and
pundits these days, wherethey're just using it to fire us
up and you're like, hey, it maynot land over here, it might
not land right there, but it'sgoing to land on the margins.
And then those people on themargins are the one.

(50:03):
Either way, super staunchsupporters are super staunch
distractors.
They're going to take it up andthey're going to run with it,
and I think that's what we'veseen.
And maybe this young man whoshot at Trump was one of those
people on the left, you know,and he's like, oh, and he

(50:23):
believes, he's believingeverything, right, he's, he's,
he's Hitler, he's, he's afascist, like you said and you
know, and then was it Project2025?
Right, reading about that.
Fired up about that, yeah,fired up on on on every, every
side.
So I think, um, as I moveforward, especially in life, but

(50:45):
in this political season, uh,uh, season, um, I'm just like an
extreme moderate.
That's the.
I'm an extremist.
I'm an centrist, like I don't.
I don't care what you have tosay about that, or are that?
What's it going to take for tokeep my firefighters in their
firehouse so they can fight thefires that happen in my
neighborhood?
What's it gonna?
What's it gonna take for thegarbage?

(51:07):
Uh, disposal Engineers?

Speaker 3 (51:09):
yeah, you know what's it gonna take for all these
services to continue to happenfor the.
That's a really good job.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
You only work once a week.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
Those people are funny.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
Yeah, you know what's it going to take for all these
services to continue to happen,for the lights to stay on, for
the hospitals to stay open, forschools to keep taking students
in, for the roads to get repavedLike.
That's what I care about andthat's what I'm going to be
voting for, from city level,municipal level, county, state
and all the way up to federallevel, and I think maybe this
might be a time for moderates tofinally stand up and centrists
to finally freaking grow.
I think there is a backbone,but it's like you know what.
It's just my personality type,right?

(51:51):
I'm not going to go out in thestreets to say anything.
I'm not going to go to apolitical rally.
That's just not who I am.
That's not my personality type.
But at the same time, those arethe people who are gonna like
we're the ones like samsonfreaking holding those, like
holding that shit together.
Right?
If it wasn't for for us, likeeverything will fall apart,

(52:11):
everything but we get hate weget hate from both sides.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
We're getting hate Exactly we have poop flowing out
of us.
Oh, you're not that.
Yeah, you're like wait, hold onjust a second.
You're like to say that thereisn't arguments for both sides
of the aisle to me is ludicrous.
There's no extremes of either,because one extreme creates

(52:36):
problems, the other extremecreates problems, the other
extreme creates problems.
The answer truly is always inthe middle.
Unfortunately, the politicalsystem seems to propagate both
sides as we're splitting, but Ithink the majority of people is
exactly what you're saying.
They are centrist, becausethere's very few people that
live in an environment where oneis the perfect situation and
that goes for either side,because it doesn't exist.

(52:56):
Well, I've asked you the perfectsituation, and that goes for
either side, because it doesn'texist Unless.
Well, I've asked you.
The only commonality on that isif you're rich, then you're
okay.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
You're okay.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
Because it truly doesn't matter who wins your
life doesn't ever change, it'snever really impacted.
It's so true and that's why Ifeel like you can see rich
people stand on either side ofthe aisle and just propagate
things, because they feel sostrongly, because they're not
they're not the middle class,lower middle class, they're not
those people that everythingthat does change absolutely

(53:25):
affects you yeah, and that's why, like, you know what I mean.
So that's like, when we get intoall this kind of stuff, it's
just like I hope one day thatyou're right, I hope they
actually started a party andcall it the middle state or the
middle ground or the middle side, because I would jump into that
, like, because I don't, I'm notsuper right, I'm not left, I'm
not this, I'm right in themiddle.
Because you know, there's likewe live in a dynamic society.

(53:47):
There isn't one way that worksout for everybody.
We have to have differences of,you know whether it's location,
area, you know, socioeconomicalstuff, like everything changes.
So it's like to think thatthere's only one way is bad.
But when we have these pillarsof our government are just
constantly slinging the craziest, shittiest, yet each other, you

(54:10):
know it's like dude, you aregonna spur up a psychopath out
there.
I mean, look, you mentioned theschool shootings earlier.
Right, there's, there's way toomany of them and it's
disgusting and all this stuffand the fact that any child is
in danger of going to school tolearn.
I can't, I can't understand whyit even happens.

(54:30):
But those people that do it, youknow whether it's, you know, I
mean I feel like they're allmentally unstable, but whatever
category that falls under, callit whatever you want to call it,
but somewhere on the line theyfeel vindicated because of it,
and that's what pushes you to beable to follow through with
something.
So if it's, you know, like, saythe one, what was the Texas one

(54:51):
?
There was a trans person or anon-binary, whatever it was.
Okay.
Whatever the reason was, it'snot a good enough reason to do
it.
So let's, I just want to saythat.
But whatever it is thattriggers them in their head,
whether it's, they're like oh, Ilistened to so and so and they
said I feel like this and I'mabsolutely allowed to feel like
this, and these people hate youfor feeling like this.

(55:14):
If you eventually hear that longenough, there are going to be
some people that break and dosomething fucking nuts, and this
applies to all these crazythings.
So again, right, because westarted detracting.
Is it a coordinated effort?
Lone person?
At the end of the day, it couldbe both, who knows, but it

(55:36):
sucks to hear it and it'sterrible that we're going
through it and I just I wishpeople would like do due
diligence and maybe read a bitmore on things and instead of
just hearing something for facevalue, because your favorite TV
personality said it was true,doesn't mean that it's actually
true.

(55:56):
And that goes for both sides ofeverything.
And you know, when you take thetime to research some stuff and
maybe understand things, maybethat can be like the hey, even
though I feel crazy aboutsomething, I'm not going to go
fucking murder.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Right, right.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
And again there's a.
There's a fucking stretch.
Sorry, I thought I wasn't evergoing to cuss it all out.
I love the passion baby, no, nono, but you know and again
Extreme moderate, extrememoderate right here, yeah, but
see, dude, you can't say that,because then all of a sudden
I'll be like on the no fly list,dude.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
Yeah, yeah, this guy.

Speaker 3 (56:30):
We're not, because you know what.
You're not sure what they'regoing to do.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
That's why they hate us.
That's why they hate us.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
Because they hate us, because you're the most
dangerous.
We're the most dangerous.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
You're not predictable.
We think for ourselves.
I'm unpredictable, we don't fita map right.
We don't fit a freaking plot.
They can't plot our movement.
And it's so important, I think,because, as they're trying to
shape our public opinion right,they're like we don't need them.
We just need the people who aregoing to whine the loudest,

(57:03):
complain the loudest, be willingto do something like that's out
of the ordinary, right, likeshoot at a rally or even go to a
rally.
I don't know if you guys havebeen to a rally.
I've never been to a rally.
I've never been to a rally.
Yeah, I don't see myself goingto a rally ever.
I hate standing around.
I hate, I hate standing in lineand waiting.
I'm not, I don't mean to go tothe concerts, you know, I'm, I'm

(57:25):
, I'm not that.
I just I'm not going to do that.
But.
But I think what, what we allhave in common is we're going to
do what we have to do every dayto support ourselves and our
families and be contributingmembers of this sickness that we
all have called life on earth.
You know, we're out here justtrying to exist at the end of
the day and I think, uh, whatcertain people need to like, you

(57:48):
don't need to like some peoplelike, oh, I need to understand
this more, I need to do a deepdive into this or that.
It's like maybe it's so youdon't have to understand.
Maybe it's okay notunderstanding what's going's
like.
Maybe it's you don't have tounderstand.
Maybe it's okay Notunderstanding what's going on.
It's because it's so underst,not understandable, it's just
none of it's going to make sense.
And then you're just going todrive yourself crazy and can
start connecting dots thataren't even there and then you

(58:09):
form an opinion that's dangerous.
Next thing, you know you'reyou're vulnerable to grooming,
you know from the proud boysfrom the, you know anti-antifa,
you know.
And the thing is like it's noteven you, it's not even your own
opinion, it's not evensomething that came out from
like, from the depths of yoursoul, because you haven't even

(58:29):
done the introspective workthat's necessary to like form,
like your own thought on life,necessary to like form, like,
like your own thought on life.
So I think, uh, certain people,not certain people, I think all
of us just need to take a stepback and uh and uh, take measure
of what's valuable to us in ourlives and then go from there.

(58:49):
But, um, certain people, justthey don't.
Maybe they don't have, maybethat's a privilege we have,
maybe it is.
You know we're not.
You know like survival is not.
We're not living in survivalmode, we're not making decisions
out of scarcity.
I've been there, I've grown uplike that and it's a it's not.
It's not a fun place to be.
So I can understand how likepeople are, like you know, like

(59:11):
how paramount certain issues canbe to them, um, but at the end
of the day, just stay home, stayhome.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
Well, I would definitely recommend that for
anyone who is contemplatingsomething crazy.
You know, like you're better offstaying at home than going out
and being in participating insomething where you feel like
you're going to get riled up tothe point of doing something
that you're going to regret.
Now, you know, and then againand I like what you said, dude,
because, like and that's a verytrue statement it's like

(59:43):
sometimes, you know, I always Idon't want to sound
contradictory I always like kindof tell people, like, do your
own research.
You know, like, look at it.
And when I say do your ownresearch, I like look at it.
And when I say do your ownresearch, I mean like, whatever
you think, if you're readingsomething and you agree with it,
try to find something inopposition of it and convince

(01:00:04):
yourself that that oppositionisn't strong enough to change
your opinion.
I like that now and I know, andI know that, like, having that
mindset on things is not common,like, or isn't as common as it
should be, and that wouldalleviate a lot of problems, but
I think the root issue withwhat a lot of what we're talking
about is is that it doesn'tequate to entertainment value.

(01:00:26):
It doesn't enter, it doesn'tcome up as like you know, like
unless well, hell yeah, dude,it's not a moneymaker.
That's why there's no extremecentrist group.
That is successful.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
We're boring.

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
If you had a bunch of people come up and try to talk
about things rationally, youwould get the lowest ratings of
all time, because then you'd belike I agree and actually
disagree with that statement.
Here's why.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
Here's what I agree with.
Here's what I don't.
It's not sensational.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
No one's going to want to hear that.
And then the counter is like oh, that's a good point.
Well, I'll take that intoconsideration.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
moving forward, I think that I'm going to do civil
discourse right.
You might get eight people thatare your family members that
tuned in.
That's it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
You know.
So it is one of those thingswhere you know like that and I
don't know how that's going tochange we're on like the.
It's like this next generationthat we're a part of right now.
It's like most information'scoming through 30 second reels,
right, and even though, like, ifyou're, you know, maybe like
our age, right, I think we're inthe kind of category that if I

(01:01:26):
saw something crazy in a reel,I'd be like whoa, that's weird.
Let me look into that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Yeah, there's no man there's no way.

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
But think about it.
I mean, we kind of live a partof this like headline status
society, where if you read theblurb of the headline, that
maybe is what you told eightpeople that day and it's like,
oh, do you know?
Joe Biden's a lizard person,you know?
His eyes moved around in thatone time.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
You know now, I'd read that and be like what?
There's lizard people?
No way, it's so true, right?
Most people I see it onFacebook all the time right,
they only read the headline andthen repost it without reading
it.
And I remember somebody didthat right to prove a point.
He put the headline likePresident Trump loves the Lord,

(01:02:13):
right, or something like that.
Right, something just supersimple.
President Trump's a Christian.
And then you go in and it's anarticle just talking trash on
Joe Biden.
That's all.
It was dude and it was shared.
I think it was shared like 800times, wow.
Right and then the people I sawsharing it, they're like see,
he's a Christian guy, he lovesGod.

Speaker 3 (01:02:33):
It's like you didn't even read the article, dude it's
not even about that, right, andand it's just gonna get more
and more.
I mean, dude, I remember whenthe when the internet first
started to become like more,like, hey, utilize the
information on the internet tohelp you write like reports and
stuff, because I think I was asenior in high school and that's
when, like, dial up and netzero and all that stuff you guys

(01:02:55):
remember that, oh yeah, but Iremember I had a teacher that
said like hey, be careful usingcertain websites because it may
not be what you think it is.
And the example that they usedwas when Wikipedia first came
out.
And if you did because I waswriting a book report on martin

(01:03:16):
luther king jr.
And if you go to the bottom ofwhere the, where the, you know
the site source information wasfrom dude, it was from a website
generated by the clan.
Oh, it's where they pulled allthe information.
Now, if you read through that,there was nothing that was
written that like made MartinLuther King look bad.

(01:03:38):
It was.
He looked like a advocate forcivil rights and had.
It was very descriptive, allthat stuff.
But at the bottom, if you clickthe link, it took you to a Klan
link.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
Yeah, it's the irony of that, dude, that's just so
ironic dude no diet, yeah, right.

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
Well, a hundred percent.
But in that, in that, it's,like you know, and that was in
the like early days of it, yeahright, so it just gets more and
convoluted.
And I'm not saying everythingon the internet's lie, it's not.
There's a lot of good stuff outthere, but there's also a ton
of crazy shit and a ton of stuffthat isn't true.
Also, you know, and this isthis is the societal battle that

(01:04:16):
we're gonna constantly haveover and over and over again,
unless we can get some rationalspeaking people in there to be
able to, you know, stand for theside or to the center or
whatever.
But I think that, like, thenumber one thing is rationality
and we have gotten very far awayfrom that, I think, from both

(01:04:37):
political spectrums.
And you know we listed thereasons of why it's not popular,
because it's not.
But the hopes is that, you know,we just had a crazy, crazy,
crazy thing happen yesterday and, if anything, hopefully it
wakes a couple people up.
That can be like whoa dude,like you know, I got a Trump is

(01:04:59):
Hitler sticker on the back of mycar.
Maybe I could take that off ormaybe I have, you know, I mean,
dude, I remember seeing, likeObama posters with the Hitler
mustache on it and stuff.
It's like, look, dude, none ofthat, shit's okay.
I mean, there's a differencebetween having satirical comedy
value and propagation of youknow kind of extremeness and the

(01:05:23):
hope is, is that one day right,someday, like it's?
Eventually you're gonna be likeyo dude, this is crazy, we can't
be doing this.
We can't be shooting at people,be shooting at people.
I mean, yeah, you know I maynot agree with this person, but
I wish them the best.
I'm going to do the best toeducate people around me for
whatever political stances thatI have, and then it's going to
go to vote and that's where thedemocracy side of our republic

(01:05:46):
is created off of.
So, you know, at the end of theday I'm glad, I'm glad trump's
good, but I feel horrible forthe person that was shot, and
there was two other people thatwere injured, but I think that
that's um, what's that?

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
Prayers go up to, up to all those people, right, like
that, were involved, absolutely.
Yeah, that's not cool.
Anyway, I think, um, there's,there's fault lines, right,
there's fault lines that areclear and distinctive within the
American political landscape,the social landscape, the
cultural landscape, and I thinkthat, like what, happened

(01:06:26):
yesterday.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
Firework video.
Does LA take over?

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
I think I've seen that video.
No, you're good Anyways.
I think, what happenedyesterday?
What happened yesterday is justa stark warning about the
fragility of american societyand the dangers of ignoring, um,
the underlying fault lines thatare, that are there and have

(01:07:04):
have occurred and they neverreally got covered up or fixed
and, um, yeah, so you know, justgot to, I don't know, I don't,
I don't, I really don't know howto act, except just to be
continued to be awesome, I guessin my own life.

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
It's the best way to do it, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
That's my, that's my response.

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
Otherwise.
I'm going to crush life and beawesome.
Crush life and be like way toend on it well uh no chris,
chris and jordan.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
Thank you guys for coming on this morning.
I I just went a lot longer thanI wanted to, but I really enjoy
hearing you guys.
Your thoughts fully come out.
Um, you know, these, these are.
I think these are importantthings to talk about.
We have the platform to do it.
I'm so glad that you hit me up.
Yesterday, chris were asking methose questions.
I I'm like, hey, what are youdoing tomorrow morning?
I know you're going to church,because I got to go to church
too, but we should talk.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
That's right, that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
But I do think, at the end of the day, no matter
who our president is, even now,I'll just be straight.
I didn't support Joe Biden.
I don't want him killed and, tobe real with you, I actually
will pray for him every once ina while because he's the leader
of our country.
He has to do well for us.
We depend on our president todo well, so we don't want him to
fail.
Do I believe in what he's doing?

(01:08:18):
In a lot of ways, no, just likeif Trump is in, people don't
agree with what he's doing, butyou still got to support the guy
.
He's still trying to do what'sbest for our country.
You shouldn't want to see thedownfall of this person
whatsoever.
And you know we're living insome very tumultuous times and
you know the best thing you do.
It's kind of honestly, like yousaid, chris, it's like remember
to take care of your familylike the most important thing in

(01:08:39):
the day.
Everybody is your family, you,us.
You know what, what we do forthe people that are directly
around us, because you know whenwe we all got a time limit here
.
I've said this so many timesyou know at the end of the day,
when you, when you pass away?
Do you think they really careabout what your political
affiliation was?
You know what?
I read a statistic, and thiswill be real quick.
When we die, okay, the averageeulogy is eight to 12 minutes.

(01:09:04):
Your life, my life, our livesare summed up in eight to 12
minutes.
You think I really want them totalk about my political
affiliation?
You know what I'm saying Likeuse your time wisely, Like your
time is the only thing we cannotget back, you know so.
Your 70 years was the averagelifespan around there.

(01:09:25):
If you make it that long, it'ssummed up in eight to 12 minutes
.
It's not about your career, howmuch money you brought in.
You can't take your money withyou.
I've never seen a hearsepulling a U-Haul behind it.
I mean, what's your life goingto be summed up in eight to 12
minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:09:41):
Sorry, that was funny .
Yeah, I know You're right andthat's the thing I know we're
talking about.
The assassination attempt andthat's, and that's the thing you
know.
I know this is we're talkingabout the assassination attempt
is kind of turned in a politicalstandpoint and but I think it's
good to talk about because Ithink it's good to hear, like I
think it's good for people tohear that, like you know,
there's different things ofopinions and there's a way to go

(01:10:02):
about things that, like, civildiscourse isn't the answer.
And you know, the things thatyou can control in your life is
yourself, your family.
And I mean control, like Idon't mean like being an asshole
, I'm just saying like theimmediate things that you can
impact, that you're going tohave a direct relation to, is
those things.
It's your friends, your family,you know, your coworkers that

(01:10:25):
you work with every day.
You know, and and those arewhere you can, you know, either
make or break things, and that'swhat's most important.
You know the political stuff,the outside stuff, is important
for sure, cause you shouldn't,you know you're like, hey, I
don't, I don't want to spendmore money in this.
Or hey, I hope they would helpthese people out more.
Or, hey, I hope I get some helpout in certain things, whatever
that may be being involved with.

(01:10:46):
That isn't the problem.
But letting that turn intosomething that can perpetuate
heinous acts, that's disgusting,and you know, and you know I
think, like every couple youknow, every 10 to 20 years, dude
, shit happens, stuff goessideways.
It gets crazy because we livein, we live, we're here, we're
on earth, we're human.
You know, and you know we tryto make the best sense of things

(01:11:09):
and we try to put ourselves inthe best possible situations
that we can.
And I just, you know, Ichallenge people to like if you
disagree with somebody, try totalk through it.
See if you can have aconversation with somebody
instead of calling them a dumbass or an idiot or I can't
fucking do this because I don'tagree with you that much.
Try, try to listen, and even ifyou still think that that

(01:11:32):
person isn't responding in a way, or maybe they're not having a
good argument, well, at leastyou did it, and then you can
agree to disagree.
And then you know you're like,hey, that person sucks at
talking about this.
It doesn't mean that they'reevil or that they're something
different.
I mean not that there aren'tevil people.
They're clearly there are, butyou know, I'm talking about the

(01:11:55):
day-to-day.
Like it's not a, it's not a 50,50 out there.
That half of people are, youknow, evil and the other half
aren't.
I'm saying, like you know, justextend yourself in a way to be
able to talk about stuff,because one it's gonna, it's
gonna do one of two things it'seither gonna change your mind or
it's going to make your basefirstly, so your feelings about

(01:12:15):
something stronger, because youcan articulate it, not just
because you can call someone afucking moron and then you shut
them down yeah, you know what?
yeah, and I think okay, sorry,buddy oh no, no, I just and I
mean all I'm doing, all I'msaying is that, going with that
mindset and how you approachthings that are differencing of
opinion, you know, I think whatyou find is that maybe something

(01:12:37):
that would fire you up.
It won't fire you up If youhave a conversation with someone
that maybe you feel like youbettered them in the
conversation.
It doesn't make you more firedup.
What it does is it makes youkind of like I feel, at least
for me.
I feel like I'm like, ok, Ifeel better about it, but it's
like I'm not.
I'm not like I don't know, I'mworried about it as much as that
makes any sense.
Yeah, you know, and again,that's such a broad statement of

(01:12:59):
what I'm saying right now it'slike I don't want to make it
sound like you can best people.
It's not about that.
It's about putting in yoursituation of learning.
About putting in your situationof learning.
It's about understanding.
Or maybe, hey, you go like look, I just talked to somebody that
completely disagrees with me onsomething.
I still don't agree with them,but maybe I can empathize with
where their mindset's comingfrom, something.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
So, instead of me thinking that person's and have
respect for them as well.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
Yeah, right, because instead of being like oh, this
person you know, fill inwhatever expletive.
Now I person you know, fill inwhatever expletive, now I just
go.
Okay, well, I can see wherethat person's coming from.
I still don't agree and maybe,hey, maybe now it's like, maybe
I can talk to them and help.
You know, whether it's changedtheir mind or help educate them,
whatever it is, doesn't matter,but your approach to the
situation isn't now I want tofuck this person up.

(01:13:46):
Has nothing to do with that'slike.
Or maybe, hey, instead of beinglike, instead of being like,
I'm gonna mess them upphysically, be like I'm gonna go
talk to them intellectually andplay some jujitsu in that game.
You know, what I mean.
And let's try to compete.
And that's where the exhibitionlies, because it's a mental
game.
Not, hey, I can go out and kickyour ass because you feel
different than I do.
You know, and and again.

(01:14:07):
Like it, dude, it's just, lifeis nuts.
I hate to see the events thathappened yesterday and I hope
that this is like a kind ofsmack upside the head for
everybody that, like dude, noone's impervious to anything.
We're all human and we can allmake mistakes, do great things,
suffer bad stuff, get through ittogether, all those good things

(01:14:28):
that can come from it, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
Well said dude, Damn Very good dude.
Yeah, You'll see someone's, youcan see someone's maturity One
cup of coffee, baby.
Yeah, you'll see someone'smaturity when you have a
disagreement with them and tryto have a conversation.
That's where you can reallytell someone's maturity.
And Jordan and I have justdealt with this.
That's the worst wedding I'veever been a part of in my entire
life.
So, it's just people's emotionalintelligence right.

(01:14:52):
I've always learned.
I have had to learn this thehard way too early on in life.
If I respond with emotions, I'malways in the wrong.
Something bad happens from itbecause I'm responding
emotionally.
Whereas I take a step backthink about what's happening,
give it time to breathe, let theemotions cool down then, think
about it and talk to the person,or the disagreement, whatever

(01:15:14):
it is, usually works itself out.
It's like it's an easy, simplefix or pretty much usually a
misunderstanding.
That's how it always starts out.
But, chris dude, thank you somuch for joining us on a Sunday
morning.
Today's July 14th, it is theday after President Trump his
assassination attempt and wewant to talk about it, so thank
you so much for coming on.

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
Yeah, thank you for having me.
It's always great to riff withyou boys and hopefully we can
jam later, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:15:39):
Oh well, you're coming back.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
Literally dude, trust me, we can do it again, but I
don't mean like post anassassination attempt.
We just yeah, yeah, we'll justdo another extreme moderate.
Yeah, extreme moderates is thatwhat we should call this this
episode should be called extremeyeah, moderation extreme yeah,
right on.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
Well, thanks, chris, I'll be texting you here in a
little bit.
Man, alright, sounds good,brother talk to you.

Speaker 3 (01:16:04):
See you later, jordan .
Alright, see you, fellas,jordan.
Dude, what's up, buddy, we areback.
Are we recording?
Yeah oh, what's wrong?
Okay, oh, nothing's wrong.
I just don't know the timelinedude.
It was like no, no, this isgonna be real quick.

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
Um, this is just to update everybody.
This is the start of seasonthree, jordan, and I have been
gone for what was three it threemonths now.

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
I think it was three months Dude longer than that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
It's been like almost five, five, wow.
So everybody knows, yeah, it'smainly because a lot has changed
.
I've recently gotten married.
I have a child on the way.
Let's go Stoked on the landbaby.
Yeah, a lot has changed for thebetter and I'm rebuilding my
home inside.
Um, yeah, a lot has changed forthe better and I'm rebuilding my
home, um, inside backyard front, so we couldn't record because
there was pretty much no placeto record.

(01:16:55):
But within that time, uh, we dohave a virtual setup.
Now we have an olympian who'scoming on, pro surfer, a retired
fire chief.
Uh, there's so many more peoplethat have hit me up to come on,
I'm having to tell them to wait.
So, um, thank you for yourpatience.
We are back.
This is season three, jordan,um, you have life updates to

(01:17:15):
your family's growing.
You can talk about it if youwant.
If not, we can end this.
But, um, yeah, dude, here weare.

Speaker 3 (01:17:21):
Yeah, no, uh, yeah, it has been a couple of months.
I'm super pumped that, uh,sorry, it's warm.
Um, we're doing it from mygarage and if I start sweating,
uh, it's because we just gotdone filming a, uh, an intense
one, but, um, no, uh, it's goinggood.
Yeah, I've got, uh, got three.
I think the last episode thatwe talked about we had, I talked

(01:17:43):
a little bit about the how tobaby girl, oh, baby, awesome,
and it's uh, it's wild withthree kids, but it's a lot of
fun too.
And yeah, I just dude, my wifeis a rock star.
I don't know how she does it,but she has to deal with me and
the kids and she does it verygracefully.

(01:18:04):
So I truly appreciate that.
But, dude, I'm so psyched ontrying out and doing the digital
feeding like so we can do fromdifferent locations with the
remote stuff, and I think that'sgoing to expand our ability to,
you know, communicate, gettingguests on and having some what's

(01:18:25):
the word?
I'm looking for A little bitmore Flexibility.
Flexibility within that I'mlooking for a little bit more
flexibility, flexibility withinthat, so we can stay consistent
on it, cause I do, I love doingthis and I'm super excited about
the third season and kind of alittle bit format changes up
that we're doing and I thinkit's going to be really good and
yeah, yeah, other than that,I'm and I get, I'm stoked cause
I get to talk to you on this youknow more than I heard.

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
Yeah, it'll be be easy, so we just want to say
thank you for everyone'spatience and for continuing to
listen because, oddly enough,the downloads went up while we
were gone.
So it's just, it's interesting,so it's fine.
Demand, yeah, it's awesome, butuh, that's it, man, we'll get
out of here.
Happy sunday again.
This is july 14th, the dayafter president trump's uh you
know assassination attempt.
He's still alive, man.
This is a wild time.
This is a wild, wild time.
But I'll tell you one thingwhile we close Jordan I don't

(01:19:17):
know the people who arelistening.
I'm not one to press my faithon you or church or whatever.
It ain't about church either.
It's about relationship withthe Lord.
Just leave you at that.
But ultimately, my belief isGod is in control and I do think
he protected the president.
He's in control of our livesand everything that's happening
around us.
And you know, I always remindmy parents, my mom too, cause

(01:19:37):
she gets all worried about allthis stuff, and in times I'm
like look, you know, I'velearned you don't have to stress
about anything.
Lord's in control.
Just what's going to happen isgoing to happen.
It is what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:19:47):
Yeah, baby Dude, I totally agree, and I agree with
you with what happened yesterdaytoo.
You know, I mean, I think Ithink the nickname of Teflon Don
took on a whole new meetingyesterday.
And you know, yeah, you cancall it whatever you want, but I

(01:20:07):
think it's divine interventionof what occurred.
Yeah, you can call it whateveryou want, but I think it's
divine intervention of whatoccurred.
And I think that that's kind ofthe like, kind of the
understating tone of just howhow live in life, you know, is
this reduces the stress, becausethe reality is that, dude,
we're not in control.
Yeah, you know, and it doesn'tmean that you know bad things
can't happen and all that stuff.
But instead of worrying aboutevery aspect of your day, you

(01:20:30):
know, just, you know, put it toGod and he'll take care of the
rest.
And and you know, that's all wecan do as humans.
And you know, and, uh, yeah, no, it's sorry, we just with the
film, and that there was a lotof stuff we were talking about.
Oh, it's crazy dog.
But, yeah, no, man, I'm, I'mjust man, I'm just I'm glad that
didn't happen to him.
And my heart goes out to thefamily of the individual that

(01:20:53):
was shot and, like you said, itwas maybe a retired fire chief
or something along that lineHorrible.
And you know my heart goes outto their family and whoever else
was injured.
And you know, I think that lifeis crazy and all we could do is
keep the ones around us, ourloved ones, our friends, and,

(01:21:16):
you know, try to establish thoserelationships and nurture those
things, because those are theonly things that we're truly not
in control of but that we can,you know, make better or worse.
And the rest of it, you know,we got to give it up to God to
light us out, and you know youcan't control those things.
Dude, if it's your time, it's.
Your time clearly wasn'ttrump's time yesterday.
No, you know, and, uh, you know, at the end of the day, I just,

(01:21:39):
you know my heart goes out toanyone involved in that and you
know, I hope that this is a big,you know, wake-up moment and
that, you know, the violencething it's real.
Yeah, you know, and that's whatI think.
That's what I think that mostpeople just don't understand.
There was a.
I'll keep it short, but therewas a video out there yesterday

(01:22:00):
that was someone in the crowdhappened to be uh, he was an er
physician saw that he had bloodall over him and you know he was
talking to the camera aboutwhat had happened.
He said he saw the.
The person got shot, hit him inthe head.
They came over try to do cpr.
There was brain matter so heknew the person's gonna expire
but they did what they could andyou know he sounded very uh

(01:22:22):
mellow talking about it.
But you gotta understand, thisis a er physician he's like he
sees it all the time, yeah yeah,death is not something that's
gonna a new thing, but themajority of people around him
probably aren't.
And you know, I think, when yousee that kind of stuff for the
first time, my hope is thatthere's a little bit of like a,
like a whoa.
You know, life is fragile to acertain extent and when you're

(01:22:47):
gone, you're gone, you know, anduh, maybe to have the
understanding of, like you know,people dying because of you
know, political discourse.
You know, this isn't the 1800s,it isn't, you know, revolutions
and things that took place.
This is like we were supposedto be a little bit more civil in

(01:23:09):
this process and hopefullythere's a lot of things that are
learned from this.
And you know, and I'm sure it'sgoing to be a subject matter
We'll be talking about a lot,you know, um, but yeah, either
way, sorry I'm, I'm going on awrong tangent.
I'm super stoked, I'm superstoked to be back on and doing
this um, for everyone stickingwith us and downloading, and to
anybody new that's that'sfollowing.

(01:23:31):
Thank you and welcome, andhopefully we can provide some
fun insight to things, and wegot a couple guests coming up
that are going to be superinteresting and I don't want to
ruin that, you know.
So it'll be a reveal, but itshould be a lot of fun and
hopefully we get some funmoments out of it as well.

Speaker 1 (01:23:46):
Thanks again, buddy, looking forward to this season.
It's going to be super good.
Let's get a.
Let's go on.
Three.
You ready?
Yes, sir, let's do it.
One, two, three, let's go,let's go.
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