April 30, 2025 • 30 mins
What happens when a child's trauma is dismissed by the very people meant to protect them? At just ten years old, Katerris Lawrence was writing suicide notes on her schoolwork while battling depression.
Katerris joins us to share her powerful journey from that wounded child to the author of "The Depression and Me," a memoir twenty years in the making. Growing up in Portsmouth, Virginia, where "everybody looked out for each other," Katerris experienced a profound betrayal when her uncle molested her at age nine. The subsequent dismissal of her pain—being told it "wasn't that serious" and expected to interact normally with her abuser at family gatherings—compounded her trauma in ways that shaped her entire life.
With remarkable vulnerability, Katerris reveals how she survived those darkest moments through conversations with God that felt more therapeutic than formal counseling. "I would say, 'God, this feels unbearable, can you help me?'" she explains, describing how prayer became her lifeline when professional help fell short. The birth of her son finally gave her a reason powerful enough to keep living, sparking a healing journey that continues today.
Beyond sharing her personal story, Katerris offers profound insights about breaking the cycle of silence around trauma, particularly in Black families where "we don't talk about things." Her message to fellow survivors resonates with compassion and clarity: "Whatever happened to you was not your fault... don't carry that weight anymore."
Looking forward, Katerris plans to establish a non-profit to create the support system she wishes she'd had, helping trauma survivors navigate their healing journeys. For anyone struggling with depression, childhood trauma, or supporting someone who is, this conversation offers both comfort and courage to keep moving forward.
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Chuck (00:11):
Hey, welcome back to another episode of let's Just
Talk About it podcast.
I'm your host, chuck, and ifyou're here for the first time,
this platform was created togive genuine people just like
yourself an opportunity to sharea portion of your life's
journey.
So, with that being said, todayon this episode, I have Ms
Katerris Lawrence, fromPortsmouth, Virginia, here to
talk about her upcoming book,the Depression and Me, where she
(00:33):
shares a piece of it, talkingabout the traumatic experience
that she had growing up as achild.
So you don't want to miss thisinspiring, yet amazing
conversation today.
As a matter of fact, do me afavor go and grab your husband,
your wife, your children, oreven call a friend and gather
around to listen to myconversation with Katerris on
let's Just Talk About it podcast.
(00:53):
Hey, let's jump right in.
Welcome back to another episodeof let's Just Talk About it
podcast.
Today we have Ms KaterrisLawrence on with us today.
Ms Katerris Lawrence on with ustoday.
Ms Katerris, how are you?
Katerris (01:07):
I'm good.
How are you?
Chuck (01:08):
Doing good Doing great.
Thanks for being on.
Katerris (01:11):
Thank you for having me.
Chuck (01:12):
Absolutely.
I love to jump right into myinterviews to have those genuine
conversations with genuinepeople just like yourself, and
the first question I love tostart off with is where are you
from?
Katerris (01:23):
I'm from Portsmouth, Virginia.
Chuck (01:26):
What part of Portsmouth I grew up in, washington Park,
okay, and I also grew up inSouthside.
Nobody remembers Washington.
Katerris (01:37):
Park man, you got to know, you got to know about
Washington Park.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Chuck (01:41):
Yeah, you got to know it was there.
So how was that for you Backthen?
Katerris (01:46):
Back then it was pretty good.
You know I had my Greatgrandmother Living out there, my
grandmother, you know.
So a lot of family.
You know it was family oriented.
Chuck (01:55):
Back then.
Katerris (01:57):
So it was, that time was.
It was a great time.
I grew up with a lot of Goodpeople around me and I was safe.
You know lot of good peoplearound me and I was safe.
You know I ate good.
I had the best of everythingyou know, so that was a good
time you know, at that time it'slike everybody looked out for
each other.
Exactly, exactly.
Everybody looked out for eachother, yeah.
Chuck (02:17):
You had no sugar.
Go next door to miss such andsuch house.
Katerris (02:21):
Yeah.
Chuck (02:21):
Asking for some sugar and it was cool.
Yeah, such and such houseasking for some sugar and it was
cool.
Yeah, and it was all right, yep.
Katerris (02:26):
Oh yeah, baby, whatever you need, you know we
sure did.
You know everybody took care ofeverybody.
You know Nobody was hungry,nobody was left without.
You know, for the most part,Right.
You know so yeah good times,wow, wow, playing in the dirt
yeah.
Chuck (02:43):
Yeah, lots and lots of kids outside.
Good times, good times.
Yeah, kateris, I wanted to haveyou on today.
You got a book out, you got abook out.
Katerris (02:53):
You have a book out.
Chuck (02:54):
So what's the name of your book?
Katerris (02:55):
So the name of my book is called the Depression Emmy.
Chuck (02:58):
Mm.
Wow, yeah, okay, so can youtell us a little bit about your
book and what inspired you towrite it?
Katerris (03:09):
So after my Washington Park days, my grandparents they
moved from out of the projectsand my grandparents got a house
built over in Effingham Plazawhich is across from the
neighborhood shipyard Somehouses over there and my auntie
she used to babysit me sometimes.
(03:31):
I was about nine years old andfor some reason I was, you know,
spending the night at her houseon a weekend and her husband
molested me, Wow, Wow.
And for years, you know, Isuffered from depression and
anxiety.
I was very depressed as alittle girl.
I will write letters on my workat school.
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I was going to ChurchlandAcademy in Churchland and I will
write on my paper that I wasgoing to commit suicide, I was
going to kill myself, and yeah.
(04:15):
So from 10 years old on upthrough my teenage life and my
early 20s, I suffered fromdepression.
Really bad, and the only thingthat seemed to really kind of
soothe me or make me feel goodabout myself was when I was
involved with a man, so I waschasing the love that I didn't
get from my parents and mygrandparents.
My family was not supportive ofthe situation.
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They felt that I was nottruthful about it.
They didn't want to believethat it happened and that
bothered me.
It bothered me very bad, towhere I was depressed a lot and
I didn't want to live.
I always thought aboutcommitting suicide.
Wow, and so my book is about mylife and about how I navigated
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through that experience, feelingyeah.
Because depression is a feelingthat you have you know, and so
I talk about in my book.
You know how I navigated throughit, the things that I went
through because of me sufferingfrom depression.
You know living from house tohouse.
You know I got put out of myhouse at 16 and you know staying
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here, staying there.
You know learning how peopleare when you're living with them
and all of those things.
I talk about all of those thingsand it is to inspire people all
around that have been sexuallymolested in their family and how
it changes you.
You know, when you don't havethat support, you know it makes
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you become another person.
You know you're dealing with somany different emotions, and so
I just want to encourage people,um, that may go through the
same thing I'm going through, orhave gone through it, how I I
navigated through it and how Ihad to encourage myself and push
myself to keep going and to notcommit suicide and keep living.
(06:05):
You know, and how you know.
When I had my son, you know hereally gave me a reason to keep
going, you know.
And so, whatever anybody'sreason is that gives them that
push and that motivation to keepgoing, whether it be your kids,
whether it be your job, yourcareer, you know, or even if
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it's just you saying you know,I'm enough, you know, I'm enough
, I'm a person you know, yes,yes, knowing your worth.
Yeah, so right.
And so it's just to inspirepeople, you know, because a lot
of times in the black familieswe don't talk about things, you
know, we just say, oh, you know,we're not going to speak on it,
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it happened and we're going toact like it didn't happen.
And, you know, the person thatis the victim is walking around
with this hurt, you know, andnowhere to turn to or anything.
Nobody that understands, youknow.
So I want people to know, Iunderstand, I understand there
is somebody out here thatunderstands just how you feel.
Wow.
Chuck (07:11):
You mentioned.
I'm sorry, you mentioned thatyou was a young girl walking
around depressed.
How old were you back?
How old were you again?
10 years old, wow.
So let me ask you this youthink about a young kid.
You think kids don't supposedto be sad or depressed because
they have no worries.
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How did that feel to you atthat time, being 10 years old?
What did that look like?
Katerris (07:39):
You know, it looked like everybody around me was
just moving on and doing dailythings.
Kids were happy, kids wereplaying and being kids, and I
was sad because I didn'tunderstand why someone that I
loved and I looked up to andthat I cared about you know, he
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was my uncle.
He was married to my mom'ssister, you know.
So I didn't understand howsomebody could, why, why did he
do that?
You know why?
Why did he put that fear in meand that trauma?
Why and so you know, for my mom, you know, and my grandmom and
everybody that took care of me,they wanted me to forget about
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it.
They, they said it wasn't thatserious.
They said, okay, you weremolested, but you weren't
penetrated.
So it's not that it was okay,but they felt like it wasn't
anything major for me to worryabout.
You know, okay, it happened.
Okay, get over it.
You know, still, having to seehim at family functions, you
know, oh, you need to speak toyour aunt and uncle.
(08:45):
You know it's disrespectful notto speak to them, but why do I
want to speak to these people?
You know?
Why is that?
Okay, you know?
So there were things that I hadquestions in my head but in my
family.
Certain things that you say asa kid is disrespectful.
They don't want kids to have avoice, you know back then
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disrespectful, they don't wantkids to have a voice, you know
back then.
So I felt like I couldn't.
I didn't know how to expresswhat I was feeling, right, you
know so.
So that's where the depressioncame in, because I can't say
what I want to say.
You know, I can't say what'sreally going on.
So I'm just sad.
All the time.
I'm thinking of ways to end mylife at 10.
Chuck (09:25):
Wow, talk about that, you talk about at 10, you were
thinking of ways to just totallyend your life.
That's deep.
Katerris (09:32):
Yes, I wanted to.
I was like you know what?
Can I take some pills and do it, or do I stab myself?
Do I what?
Do I do, you know, at 10.
Yeah, it was deep, it wasreally.
I really was thinking of waysall the time, of how can I just
do this, but I never had thestrength to go everything was
(09:56):
yeah, everything was like ohwell I and I thought about it,
like okay, if I take some pills,what if?
what if I choke or if I stabmyself?
That's gonna hurt you know, soI I think that that was god, it
was like I had god on oneshoulder and the devil on the
other shoulder wow you know,literally you know at that age.
So it was very, very hard forme.
(10:18):
I I spent so many nights cryingum, where I didn't sleep a lot.
So then when, when I got toschool, I was tired, you know,
and just depressed, just feelingsad all the time.
Chuck (10:32):
You never know how many kids today go to school and feel
that way.
You know, not who have beenthrough the same experience you
had, but any experience.
Katerris (10:43):
Any experience?
Chuck (10:44):
yeah, and they act out and the teachers don't know why.
But yeah, yeah.
Katerris (10:50):
So I wasn't, uh, violent, I didn't do anything to
harm any other child.
I was more sad, I cried a lot.
I wrote on my paperwork youknow I'm gonna kill myself today
.
You know um those things that II was that's, you know um those
things that I was.
That's what I was thinking andthat's what I was feeling.
So you know, that's that's whatit was for me at that time, for
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years.
Chuck (11:15):
Let me ask you this what steps okay moving forward, what
steps did you take or are stilltaking to heal?
You know?
Katerris (11:23):
prayer.
Chuck (11:24):
Got you.
Katerris (11:25):
I pray a lot, I talk to God a lot and I always have,
and I talk to God just like I'mtalking to you.
I would say, god, you know whyam I feeling this way?
You know, I say, hey, god, youknow, this is too much, it feels
heavy.
You know, you say you don't putmore on us than we can bear.
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But, lord, this feelsunbearable.
Chuck (11:50):
Can you?
Katerris (11:50):
help me.
You know I do that a lot.
I still do that to this day,praying.
I prayed a lot.
I would always say, god, youknow, please don't let me lose
my mind, keep me in my rightmind, don't let me lose my mind.
I would say, god, you know, I'mfeeling suicidal today.
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I feel like I can't take it nomore.
If this is not what I'msupposed to do, if you say you
won't forgive us for committingsuicide, take it away, take the
feeling away, and I did that asa teenager, as as a child.
I would say, god, if it's notwhat I'm supposed to, because I
grew up in the church, I grew upin holiness church, church of
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God and Christ, and they alwaystalk about you know, god will
forgive you for anything butcommitting suicide.
But, that was the one thing thatwas always present in my mind.
Chuck (12:43):
In your mind, yeah.
Katerris (12:45):
So I would always pray , you know, pray that thing away
, wow, and I would be able toget some rest.
Or, you know, I would try to dothings to take it off my mind.
I've always worked, you know.
I've always had a job.
Chuck (13:02):
I've always, you know, been involved in stuff, so you
try to bury yourself in that.
Katerris (13:05):
Right, right.
Chuck (13:06):
Yeah.
Katerris (13:06):
Yeah, and then when my son came along, oh, that was a
different feeling.
You know that that was.
It was like okay, this, this iswhat I have, this is, this is.
This is something I have to dobetter.
You know, I gotta do it for him.
You know, because I want to bethere for him, I want to see him
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grow, I want to see each stageof his life.
You know, I want to be there soI can't commit suicide because
I got to be there for him andthat's what for the past 15
years, that is what has beenholding me and keeping me.
That is why, you know, I can sayI'm having a great day today.
I feel good today, you know,because I have something to live
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for.
Chuck (13:50):
And that's them.
Katerris (13:56):
So, would you say you're healing still.
Yes, yeah, and my book was verytherapeutic because for years
I've been really trying to writethis book for about 20 years
and I could never finish thebook because it was so powerful
that I would just break down andso I could never finish it.
(14:17):
But I woke up one day about ayear ago, two years ago, and I
said I'm gonna write my book,I'm gonna tell my story.
I said, and I'm gonna take myemotion out of it, I can cry
about it later.
You know, once the book is outand all of that, if I want to
cry about it, cry about it then,but for right now, no crying.
(14:41):
I had to tell myself that youknow, and I wrote it and I did
not cry, Got a little teary eyessometimes, but I kept going.
I said I got to keep going, Igot to finish it and I finished
it.
Chuck (14:53):
Got you.
So if you see somebody rightnow, whether boy or girl, male
or female, and they went throughthe same thing or going through
it now, what would you tellthem?
What advice would you give them?
Katerris (15:11):
I would first tell them that whatever happened to
you was not your fault.
And I know that's cliche.
You know a lot of people saythat that's good.
It's really not your fault.
So you got to make up in yourmind that you're not going to
carry that weight anymore.
Don't hold on to that, becausewhatever happened, it wasn't
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something you did to make ithappen.
It was.
It happened, but it was notsomething you did.
So don't carry that guilt,don't carry that weight.
And then, and most importantly,the same way you talk to your
friends, you talk to your mom.
There is no perfect way to pray.
Talk to God just like you wouldtalk to me.
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And tell him exactly what it isthat you need to feel better, to
move forward, to do better.
Tell God exactly what it is,and that's what I do.
I don't say you know, heavenlyFather, dear God, no, I wake up
sometimes I'm like God, I'm madI need you, like today is not a
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good day.
I don't know what's going on,but I need you to do X, y, z.
You know I need this or I'mfeeling this way.
Take this away from me,whatever it is.
I need you to get it away fromme because I can't be who you
want me to be with this feeling,with these emotions, with this
baggage, I can't be productivein life.
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Whatever it is that you havefor me to do on this earth, I
can't do it feeling this way,and so that's what I would tell
any boy, girl, man, woman todaythat it's not your fault.
Chuck (17:01):
It's not your fault.
That's deep.
Katerris (17:04):
Whatever somebody done to you, it wasn't because you
did something to cause it.
It was them, and they have topay for that, not you.
Chuck (17:13):
Wow, wow.
So you say it was therapeutic.
In writing the book.
Did you ever go to any therapyor anything like that, or did?
Katerris (17:25):
therapy just write in the book.
I went to therapy throughout mylife.
You know I went here and therebut it's never been consistent,
Because I always used to feellike.
I don't feel that way today,but for years I felt like nobody
, ever, nobody ever gave me anyfeedback.
(17:48):
That felt natural.
You know, it was all doctormedical talk.
It was never like how we wouldtalk to each other.
Chuck (17:58):
Right, right right.
Katerris (17:59):
You know, I felt like I could tell I could call
somebody and talk to them aboutthis, like I didn't feel like I
got anything from it.
Chuck (18:06):
I see what you're saying.
Katerris (18:07):
You know, it was like I'm just there, I'm talking, I'm
telling them what's going on,how I feel, and they're writing
whatever down or whatever thecase may be, and they're like
well, we'll see you next week,you did good, we'll see you next
week, yeah, okay, well, I didgood.
But what do you have to sayabout that?
You know what?
What do you think about that?
(18:28):
Like, how am I supposed to goon in life?
You know, what am I supposed todo?
So I don't.
I don't ever feel like I gotany real good feedback, or, you
know, it wasn't.
I never found that person.
And then, when I did find thatperson, I thought I found
somebody that was good for me.
I lost my job and I didn't havethe insurance.
So that's another thing that Iwant to do.
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One day, you know, I would liketo have a non-profit
organization that helps peoplefind their person, their
therapist, you know, somebodythat they're comfortable with,
you know, instead of just goingto anybody.
Chuck (19:07):
But that's what people say, though.
They say you have to find theright one for you, so it may
take two or three therapistsbefore you get to the right one.
Katerris (19:14):
That's right.
Yeah, that's right, yeah,that's right.
Chuck (19:17):
But shout out to you and your process of healing that you
, you know.
Katerris (19:21):
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Chuck (19:22):
I appreciate that You're not letting it stop you.
You know what I mean.
No, because sometimes you getin that dark place and that's it
, you know.
So shout out to you.
Katerris (19:31):
Thank you, thank you, I appreciate that so much.
Chuck (19:33):
Absolutely so.
What's next for you?
More writing, speaking or otherprojects?
Katerris (19:45):
Where are you going to go from here with deal with it?
I'm well, my book is um beingpublished right now.
Oh, it's being published, okay,it's being published, and so,
um, it should be finishedpublishing, um, by the end of
may got you and so I'm gonnahave a be having a book signing
sometime in june.
Wow, wow, um, I haven't got theexact date yet because I'm
waiting for the publishing tofinish and once that finishes
then you know I'll know a timeframe of when I'll have books
(20:05):
available on hand.
You know cause they will haveto ship them to me.
So once I know, okay, they'regoing to be shipping it to me,
it might take two weeks for allof the books to get to me.
Then you know cause I want tohave books on hand at the book
signing.
Chuck (20:19):
Okay.
Katerris (20:19):
So that's why I say sometime in June.
In June I'll be having a booksigning, so I'll be letting you
know about that.
And yes, I would like to dosome speaking engagement.
Ok, how can people?
Reach you, then so people canreach me at LawLawLove40 at
gmailcom.
(20:40):
So that's L-A-W-L-A-W, the wordlove four, zero.
At gmailcom, so that'sL-A-W-L-A-W, the word love 40.
At gmailcom, they can email meand I'll respond and I'll be
there, you know.
So I would love to any type ofwomen's conference or men's
conference or anything, becauseyou know people tend to think
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men don't need healing or theydon't need advice, or you know,
but they do.
You know.
It may carry it a different way, but men need stuff too,
because men have been molested,men have been raped, men have
been hurt.
You know too.
Men have feelings, you know.
So I don't want to just single,you know, men out and say I'm
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only for women.
No, I'm for everybody.
Right, right, right, everybody.
It don't matter who it is, itdon't matter what race it is.
I want to touch and be therefor anybody that needs it.
So, like I said, I do want tostart my nonprofit organization,
which is going to be calledRoeMail's Place.
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And RoeMail was my grandmother,my mom's mom, and so it's in
remembrance of her, and she'sthe one that taught me how to
pray Wow, you know and what itmeans to talk to God.
You know what it means to havea relationship with him.
She is the one that brought meup in the church.
So I want to have a non-profitorganization to where I can be a
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safe haven and a place withresources for anybody who has
experienced, you know, trauma,right, you know, and try to help
them navigate that through life.
Chuck (22:23):
Is there any kind of trauma or just?
Katerris (22:26):
any kind of trauma.
Chuck (22:26):
I got you yeah.
Katerris (22:27):
You know, of course, you know children being molested
by family, friends or whatever.
That is close and dear to myheart and those are people that
I want to touch, of course.
But I don't want to singleanybody out because trauma is
trauma, it don't matter.
You know, some kids experiencetrauma because their parents
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were on drugs and they live fromhouse to house and the people
that care for them didn't reallycare for them, you know.
And so those people are adultstoday and they're carrying that
same weight, that same trauma.
My cousin who was recentlymurdered.
He joined a gang because hefelt like that was the closest
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family to him, you know, and soclosest thing he had to family-
and that was from childhoodtrauma.
Chuck (23:20):
Right.
So, that is near and dear to myheart.
Katerris (23:24):
Yeah, so I want to touch you, know and help
everybody.
Chuck (23:28):
Yeah, that's something to speak about too.
Children are doing that,joining gangs, because they feel
I guess the family, the lovecoming from that source.
Katerris (23:38):
Uh-huh, yeah, uh-huh, yep, so they feel like they're a
part of something.
Mm-hmm, of course, yeah, yep,so they feel like they're a part
of something, and that's why I,you know, growing up, always
wanted a man, because I feltlike I was, I had something, it
was some type of void that wasbeing filled.
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You know, if I wasn't dealingwith a guy, I felt like I didn't
have anything.
Chuck (24:03):
Wow.
Katerris (24:04):
You know, and it took years for me to get over that
part.
You know and learn to love meand love being in my own
presence.
I like that.
Chuck (24:14):
Yeah, I like that man.
It's so many like people likewhat you just said.
People get into a relationshipbecause there's a void.
I have to have thisrelationship to feel like, um,
I'm somebody you know, but it'sjust filling that void and so
they take so much abuse orwhatever from anybody because
it's it's making them feelcomfortable that they have
(24:34):
somebody right, yeah it's deep,so deep.
So who is your publisher?
Katerris (24:44):
let's talk about her so my publisher her name is
Diane Boyd and she is a goodgood friend of mine and I love
her um, she is veryinspirational.
She has been through sometrauma of her own and that's how
(25:05):
we connected and so you know Iwas talking to her about my book
and you know she was saying,hey, you know, let's do it, you
know you wrote it, let's get itout there for everybody, you
know you wrote it, let's get itout there for everybody.
And so she has been.
She has been just such a goodfriend, such a motivational
(25:33):
person to be around.
Chuck (25:34):
Wow.
Katerris (25:34):
You know, and we have had similar things you know,
happen within us.
That we have, you know,happened within us.
That we have.
She's really been there for methrough this whole process, with
me writing my book, and herpublishing company is called
Purposeful, so the word purposeand then the word full F-U-L-L
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publishing company, and she hasbeen Publishing company and she
has been, even though we'refriends.
She has been a businesswoman.
She has been on time withthings.
She's prompt, she's reliable,dependable and her work is
remarkable.
She doesn't play around when itcomes to getting your stuff
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done, getting it edited, gettingit published.
When the time she says she'sgoing to do it, it's done.
And that's what I like abouther that she's not playing
around.
When she says she's going to dosomething, she does just that.
Wow, and I like that about her.
Wow, you know, and you knowsome people.
You know they don't know how toseparate the friendship from
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the business, but she'sdefinitely done that for me.
Shout out to Diane.
Chuck (26:47):
I love you.
Katerris (26:49):
I'm glad about everything that you're doing.
You know your publishingcompany her also being a
motivational speaker andmotivating people and telling
people.
You know you could turn yourpain into purpose.
You know you could turn all ofthat around and make it
something, because there'ssomebody else out there, even if
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you don't do nothing but touchone person, it's somebody else
out there that has experiencedthe things you've experienced,
but they have not gotten to thepoint where you're at, where you
can say I'm coming out of it.
You know I'm stepping out of it.
I'm a better person now.
I love myself, now.
I care about me.
You know I'm not going to playabout me.
(27:33):
You know there are people outthere that haven't gotten to
that point yet and they want toget there, and so that's what
we're trying to do is be there,you know.
And Diane, she listened to mystory and you know she's
counseled with me, she's prayedwith me and she's just an
all-around wonderful person.
I don't care what nobody sayabout her.
She's been through her owntrauma but she is coming out of
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it and she is using it to blessother people yeah.
Chuck (28:00):
She's definitely a solid person, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, very solid Shoutout to you, diane, yeah.
Katerris (28:08):
Yeah, yeah, shout out to Diane.
Chuck (28:11):
Well, Kateris, I really appreciate you coming on and
sharing your journey, um sharingyour book that's about to come
out and, uh, we reallyappreciate it.
We look forward to it, Lookforward to hearing your story.
Katerris (28:23):
Yes, yes, I will be letting you know.
Hey, you know, the book ispublished and I'm going to send
you a copy, a signed copy, fromme.
Chuck (28:31):
Wow appreciate that.
Katerris (28:32):
Yes, yes, so I'll be sending it to you and I'll be
letting you know when I'm havingmy book signed, and so maybe,
if you're not busy, you can stopby.
Chuck (28:40):
Absolutely, absolutely yeah.
Katerris (28:41):
And thank you so much for having me man, you're so
welcome.
Chuck (28:44):
Thanks again for being on .
Let's just talk about itPodcast.
We really appreciate you.
Katerris (28:49):
Thank you.
Chuck (28:55):
Wow, what an amazing conversation today.
Shout out to Kateris for havingthis dialogue with me.
You know, one of the things shesaid amongst amongst many other
things was the fact that shewas going through depression at
a very young age.
And the thing is is to payattention to young kids today,
because you never know whythey're doing the things they do
.
They may be going through about of depression and you don't
know why.
(29:15):
So I believe it's good to sitthem down and ask questions.
Don't be afraid to talk to themand ask what's going on in your
life questions.
Don't be afraid to talk to themand ask what's going on in your
life and by all means, ifyou're old or you're an adult,
listen to them, because theyjust might be telling you the
truth of what they're goingthrough.
So, once again, shout out toyou, kateris, for having the
boldness to share your journeywith somebody who may be going
through the same thing.
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Hey, I want to thank everybodyfor tuning in to another episode
of let's Just Talk About itpodcast.
Thank you so much and untilnext time.
Don't hold it in, but let'sjust talk about it.
Talk to you soon you.
Hey, welcome back to another episode of let's Just
Talk About it podcast.
I'm your host, chuck, and ifyou're here for the first time,
this platform was created togive genuine people just like
yourself an opportunity to sharea portion of your life's
journey.
So, with that being said, todayon this episode, I have Ms
Katerris Lawrence, fromPortsmouth, Virginia, here to
talk about her upcoming book,the Depression and Me, where she
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shares a piece of it, talkingabout the traumatic experience
that she had growing up as achild.
So you don't want to miss thisinspiring, yet amazing
conversation today.
As a matter of fact, do me afavor go and grab your husband,
your wife, your children, oreven call a friend and gather
around to listen to myconversation with Katerris on
let's Just Talk About it podcast.
(00:53):
Hey, let's jump right in.
Welcome back to another episodeof let's Just Talk About it
podcast.
Today we have Ms KaterrisLawrence on with us today.
Ms Katerris Lawrence on with ustoday.
Ms Katerris, how are you?
Katerris (01:07):
I'm good.
How are you?
Chuck (01:08):
Doing good Doing great.
Thanks for being on.
Katerris (01:11):
Thank you for having me.
Chuck (01:12):
Absolutely.
I love to jump right into myinterviews to have those genuine
conversations with genuinepeople just like yourself, and
the first question I love tostart off with is where are you
from?
Katerris (01:23):
I'm from Portsmouth, Virginia.
Chuck (01:26):
What part of Portsmouth I grew up in, washington Park,
okay, and I also grew up inSouthside.
Nobody remembers Washington.
Katerris (01:37):
Park man, you got to know, you got to know about
Washington Park.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Chuck (01:41):
Yeah, you got to know it was there.
So how was that for you Backthen?
Katerris (01:46):
Back then it was pretty good.
You know I had my Greatgrandmother Living out there, my
grandmother, you know.
So a lot of family.
You know it was family oriented.
Chuck (01:55):
Back then.
Katerris (01:57):
So it was, that time was.
It was a great time.
I grew up with a lot of Goodpeople around me and I was safe.
You know lot of good peoplearound me and I was safe.
You know I ate good.
I had the best of everythingyou know, so that was a good
time you know, at that time it'slike everybody looked out for
each other.
Exactly, exactly.
Everybody looked out for eachother, yeah.
Chuck (02:17):
You had no sugar.
Go next door to miss such andsuch house.
Katerris (02:21):
Yeah.
Chuck (02:21):
Asking for some sugar and it was cool.
Yeah, such and such houseasking for some sugar and it was
cool.
Yeah, and it was all right, yep.
Katerris (02:26):
Oh yeah, baby, whatever you need, you know we
sure did.
You know everybody took care ofeverybody.
You know Nobody was hungry,nobody was left without.
You know, for the most part,Right.
You know so yeah good times,wow, wow, playing in the dirt
yeah.
Chuck (02:43):
Yeah, lots and lots of kids outside.
Good times, good times.
Yeah, kateris, I wanted to haveyou on today.
You got a book out, you got abook out.
Katerris (02:53):
You have a book out.
Chuck (02:54):
So what's the name of your book?
Katerris (02:55):
So the name of my book is called the Depression Emmy.
Chuck (02:58):
Mm.
Wow, yeah, okay, so can youtell us a little bit about your
book and what inspired you towrite it?
Katerris (03:09):
So after my Washington Park days, my grandparents they
moved from out of the projectsand my grandparents got a house
built over in Effingham Plazawhich is across from the
neighborhood shipyard Somehouses over there and my auntie
she used to babysit me sometimes.
(03:31):
I was about nine years old andfor some reason I was, you know,
spending the night at her houseon a weekend and her husband
molested me, Wow, Wow.
And for years, you know, Isuffered from depression and
anxiety.
I was very depressed as alittle girl.
I will write letters on my workat school.
(03:55):
I was going to ChurchlandAcademy in Churchland and I will
write on my paper that I wasgoing to commit suicide, I was
going to kill myself, and yeah.
(04:15):
So from 10 years old on upthrough my teenage life and my
early 20s, I suffered fromdepression.
Really bad, and the only thingthat seemed to really kind of
soothe me or make me feel goodabout myself was when I was
involved with a man, so I waschasing the love that I didn't
get from my parents and mygrandparents.
My family was not supportive ofthe situation.
(04:36):
They felt that I was nottruthful about it.
They didn't want to believethat it happened and that
bothered me.
It bothered me very bad, towhere I was depressed a lot and
I didn't want to live.
I always thought aboutcommitting suicide.
Wow, and so my book is about mylife and about how I navigated
(05:02):
through that experience, feelingyeah.
Because depression is a feelingthat you have you know, and so
I talk about in my book.
You know how I navigated throughit, the things that I went
through because of me sufferingfrom depression.
You know living from house tohouse.
You know I got put out of myhouse at 16 and you know staying
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here, staying there.
You know learning how peopleare when you're living with them
and all of those things.
I talk about all of those thingsand it is to inspire people all
around that have been sexuallymolested in their family and how
it changes you.
You know, when you don't havethat support, you know it makes
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you become another person.
You know you're dealing with somany different emotions, and so
I just want to encourage people,um, that may go through the
same thing I'm going through, orhave gone through it, how I I
navigated through it and how Ihad to encourage myself and push
myself to keep going and to notcommit suicide and keep living.
(06:05):
You know, and how you know.
When I had my son, you know hereally gave me a reason to keep
going, you know.
And so, whatever anybody'sreason is that gives them that
push and that motivation to keepgoing, whether it be your kids,
whether it be your job, yourcareer, you know, or even if
(06:26):
it's just you saying you know,I'm enough, you know, I'm enough
, I'm a person you know, yes,yes, knowing your worth.
Yeah, so right.
And so it's just to inspirepeople, you know, because a lot
of times in the black familieswe don't talk about things, you
know, we just say, oh, you know,we're not going to speak on it,
(06:49):
it happened and we're going toact like it didn't happen.
And, you know, the person thatis the victim is walking around
with this hurt, you know, andnowhere to turn to or anything.
Nobody that understands, youknow.
So I want people to know, Iunderstand, I understand there
is somebody out here thatunderstands just how you feel.
Wow.
Chuck (07:11):
You mentioned.
I'm sorry, you mentioned thatyou was a young girl walking
around depressed.
How old were you back?
How old were you again?
10 years old, wow.
So let me ask you this youthink about a young kid.
You think kids don't supposedto be sad or depressed because
they have no worries.
(07:32):
How did that feel to you atthat time, being 10 years old?
What did that look like?
Katerris (07:39):
You know, it looked like everybody around me was
just moving on and doing dailythings.
Kids were happy, kids wereplaying and being kids, and I
was sad because I didn'tunderstand why someone that I
loved and I looked up to andthat I cared about you know, he
(08:00):
was my uncle.
He was married to my mom'ssister, you know.
So I didn't understand howsomebody could, why, why did he
do that?
You know why?
Why did he put that fear in meand that trauma?
Why and so you know, for my mom, you know, and my grandmom and
everybody that took care of me,they wanted me to forget about
(08:24):
it.
They, they said it wasn't thatserious.
They said, okay, you weremolested, but you weren't
penetrated.
So it's not that it was okay,but they felt like it wasn't
anything major for me to worryabout.
You know, okay, it happened.
Okay, get over it.
You know, still, having to seehim at family functions, you
know, oh, you need to speak toyour aunt and uncle.
(08:45):
You know it's disrespectful notto speak to them, but why do I
want to speak to these people?
You know?
Why is that?
Okay, you know?
So there were things that I hadquestions in my head but in my
family.
Certain things that you say asa kid is disrespectful.
They don't want kids to have avoice, you know back then
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disrespectful, they don't wantkids to have a voice, you know
back then.
So I felt like I couldn't.
I didn't know how to expresswhat I was feeling, right, you
know so.
So that's where the depressioncame in, because I can't say
what I want to say.
You know, I can't say what'sreally going on.
So I'm just sad.
All the time.
I'm thinking of ways to end mylife at 10.
Chuck (09:25):
Wow, talk about that, you talk about at 10, you were
thinking of ways to just totallyend your life.
That's deep.
Katerris (09:32):
Yes, I wanted to.
I was like you know what?
Can I take some pills and do it, or do I stab myself?
Do I what?
Do I do, you know, at 10.
Yeah, it was deep, it wasreally.
I really was thinking of waysall the time, of how can I just
do this, but I never had thestrength to go everything was
(09:56):
yeah, everything was like ohwell I and I thought about it,
like okay, if I take some pills,what if?
what if I choke or if I stabmyself?
That's gonna hurt you know, soI I think that that was god, it
was like I had god on oneshoulder and the devil on the
other shoulder wow you know,literally you know at that age.
So it was very, very hard forme.
(10:18):
I I spent so many nights cryingum, where I didn't sleep a lot.
So then when, when I got toschool, I was tired, you know,
and just depressed, just feelingsad all the time.
Chuck (10:32):
You never know how many kids today go to school and feel
that way.
You know, not who have beenthrough the same experience you
had, but any experience.
Katerris (10:43):
Any experience?
Chuck (10:44):
yeah, and they act out and the teachers don't know why.
But yeah, yeah.
Katerris (10:50):
So I wasn't, uh, violent, I didn't do anything to
harm any other child.
I was more sad, I cried a lot.
I wrote on my paperwork youknow I'm gonna kill myself today
.
You know um those things that II was that's, you know um those
things that I was.
That's what I was thinking andthat's what I was feeling.
So you know, that's that's whatit was for me at that time, for
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years.
Chuck (11:15):
Let me ask you this what steps okay moving forward, what
steps did you take or are stilltaking to heal?
You know?
Katerris (11:23):
prayer.
Chuck (11:24):
Got you.
Katerris (11:25):
I pray a lot, I talk to God a lot and I always have,
and I talk to God just like I'mtalking to you.
I would say, god, you know whyam I feeling this way?
You know, I say, hey, god, youknow, this is too much, it feels
heavy.
You know, you say you don't putmore on us than we can bear.
(11:47):
But, lord, this feelsunbearable.
Chuck (11:50):
Can you?
Katerris (11:50):
help me.
You know I do that a lot.
I still do that to this day,praying.
I prayed a lot.
I would always say, god, youknow, please don't let me lose
my mind, keep me in my rightmind, don't let me lose my mind.
I would say, god, you know, I'mfeeling suicidal today.
(12:12):
I feel like I can't take it nomore.
If this is not what I'msupposed to do, if you say you
won't forgive us for committingsuicide, take it away, take the
feeling away, and I did that asa teenager, as as a child.
I would say, god, if it's notwhat I'm supposed to, because I
grew up in the church, I grew upin holiness church, church of
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God and Christ, and they alwaystalk about you know, god will
forgive you for anything butcommitting suicide.
But, that was the one thing thatwas always present in my mind.
Chuck (12:43):
In your mind, yeah.
Katerris (12:45):
So I would always pray , you know, pray that thing away
, wow, and I would be able toget some rest.
Or, you know, I would try to dothings to take it off my mind.
I've always worked, you know.
I've always had a job.
Chuck (13:02):
I've always, you know, been involved in stuff, so you
try to bury yourself in that.
Katerris (13:05):
Right, right.
Chuck (13:06):
Yeah.
Katerris (13:06):
Yeah, and then when my son came along, oh, that was a
different feeling.
You know that that was.
It was like okay, this, this iswhat I have, this is, this is.
This is something I have to dobetter.
You know, I gotta do it for him.
You know, because I want to bethere for him, I want to see him
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grow, I want to see each stageof his life.
You know, I want to be there soI can't commit suicide because
I got to be there for him andthat's what for the past 15
years, that is what has beenholding me and keeping me.
That is why, you know, I can sayI'm having a great day today.
I feel good today, you know,because I have something to live
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for.
Chuck (13:50):
And that's them.
Katerris (13:56):
So, would you say you're healing still.
Yes, yeah, and my book was verytherapeutic because for years
I've been really trying to writethis book for about 20 years
and I could never finish thebook because it was so powerful
that I would just break down andso I could never finish it.
(14:17):
But I woke up one day about ayear ago, two years ago, and I
said I'm gonna write my book,I'm gonna tell my story.
I said, and I'm gonna take myemotion out of it, I can cry
about it later.
You know, once the book is outand all of that, if I want to
cry about it, cry about it then,but for right now, no crying.
(14:41):
I had to tell myself that youknow, and I wrote it and I did
not cry, Got a little teary eyessometimes, but I kept going.
I said I got to keep going, Igot to finish it and I finished
it.
Chuck (14:53):
Got you.
So if you see somebody rightnow, whether boy or girl, male
or female, and they went throughthe same thing or going through
it now, what would you tellthem?
What advice would you give them?
Katerris (15:11):
I would first tell them that whatever happened to
you was not your fault.
And I know that's cliche.
You know a lot of people saythat that's good.
It's really not your fault.
So you got to make up in yourmind that you're not going to
carry that weight anymore.
Don't hold on to that, becausewhatever happened, it wasn't
(15:35):
something you did to make ithappen.
It was.
It happened, but it was notsomething you did.
So don't carry that guilt,don't carry that weight.
And then, and most importantly,the same way you talk to your
friends, you talk to your mom.
There is no perfect way to pray.
Talk to God just like you wouldtalk to me.
(15:59):
And tell him exactly what it isthat you need to feel better, to
move forward, to do better.
Tell God exactly what it is,and that's what I do.
I don't say you know, heavenlyFather, dear God, no, I wake up
sometimes I'm like God, I'm madI need you, like today is not a
(16:23):
good day.
I don't know what's going on,but I need you to do X, y, z.
You know I need this or I'mfeeling this way.
Take this away from me,whatever it is.
I need you to get it away fromme because I can't be who you
want me to be with this feeling,with these emotions, with this
baggage, I can't be productivein life.
(16:44):
Whatever it is that you havefor me to do on this earth, I
can't do it feeling this way,and so that's what I would tell
any boy, girl, man, woman todaythat it's not your fault.
Chuck (17:01):
It's not your fault.
That's deep.
Katerris (17:04):
Whatever somebody done to you, it wasn't because you
did something to cause it.
It was them, and they have topay for that, not you.
Chuck (17:13):
Wow, wow.
So you say it was therapeutic.
In writing the book.
Did you ever go to any therapyor anything like that, or did?
Katerris (17:25):
therapy just write in the book.
I went to therapy throughout mylife.
You know I went here and therebut it's never been consistent,
Because I always used to feellike.
I don't feel that way today,but for years I felt like nobody
, ever, nobody ever gave me anyfeedback.
(17:48):
That felt natural.
You know, it was all doctormedical talk.
It was never like how we wouldtalk to each other.
Chuck (17:58):
Right, right right.
Katerris (17:59):
You know, I felt like I could tell I could call
somebody and talk to them aboutthis, like I didn't feel like I
got anything from it.
Chuck (18:06):
I see what you're saying.
Katerris (18:07):
You know, it was like I'm just there, I'm talking, I'm
telling them what's going on,how I feel, and they're writing
whatever down or whatever thecase may be, and they're like
well, we'll see you next week,you did good, we'll see you next
week, yeah, okay, well, I didgood.
But what do you have to sayabout that?
You know what?
What do you think about that?
(18:28):
Like, how am I supposed to goon in life?
You know, what am I supposed todo?
So I don't.
I don't ever feel like I gotany real good feedback, or, you
know, it wasn't.
I never found that person.
And then, when I did find thatperson, I thought I found
somebody that was good for me.
I lost my job and I didn't havethe insurance.
So that's another thing that Iwant to do.
(18:50):
One day, you know, I would liketo have a non-profit
organization that helps peoplefind their person, their
therapist, you know, somebodythat they're comfortable with,
you know, instead of just goingto anybody.
Chuck (19:07):
But that's what people say, though.
They say you have to find theright one for you, so it may
take two or three therapistsbefore you get to the right one.
Katerris (19:14):
That's right.
Yeah, that's right, yeah,that's right.
Chuck (19:17):
But shout out to you and your process of healing that you
, you know.
Katerris (19:21):
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Chuck (19:22):
I appreciate that You're not letting it stop you.
You know what I mean.
No, because sometimes you getin that dark place and that's it
, you know.
So shout out to you.
Katerris (19:31):
Thank you, thank you, I appreciate that so much.
Chuck (19:33):
Absolutely so.
What's next for you?
More writing, speaking or otherprojects?
Katerris (19:45):
Where are you going to go from here with deal with it?
I'm well, my book is um beingpublished right now.
Oh, it's being published, okay,it's being published, and so,
um, it should be finishedpublishing, um, by the end of
may got you and so I'm gonnahave a be having a book signing
sometime in june.
Wow, wow, um, I haven't got theexact date yet because I'm
waiting for the publishing tofinish and once that finishes
then you know I'll know a timeframe of when I'll have books
(20:05):
available on hand.
You know cause they will haveto ship them to me.
So once I know, okay, they'regoing to be shipping it to me,
it might take two weeks for allof the books to get to me.
Then you know cause I want tohave books on hand at the book
signing.
Chuck (20:19):
Okay.
Katerris (20:19):
So that's why I say sometime in June.
In June I'll be having a booksigning, so I'll be letting you
know about that.
And yes, I would like to dosome speaking engagement.
Ok, how can people?
Reach you, then so people canreach me at LawLawLove40 at
gmailcom.
(20:40):
So that's L-A-W-L-A-W, the wordlove four, zero.
At gmailcom, so that'sL-A-W-L-A-W, the word love 40.
At gmailcom, they can email meand I'll respond and I'll be
there, you know.
So I would love to any type ofwomen's conference or men's
conference or anything, becauseyou know people tend to think
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men don't need healing or theydon't need advice, or you know,
but they do.
You know.
It may carry it a different way, but men need stuff too,
because men have been molested,men have been raped, men have
been hurt.
You know too.
Men have feelings, you know.
So I don't want to just single,you know, men out and say I'm
(21:24):
only for women.
No, I'm for everybody.
Right, right, right, everybody.
It don't matter who it is, itdon't matter what race it is.
I want to touch and be therefor anybody that needs it.
So, like I said, I do want tostart my nonprofit organization,
which is going to be calledRoeMail's Place.
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And RoeMail was my grandmother,my mom's mom, and so it's in
remembrance of her, and she'sthe one that taught me how to
pray Wow, you know and what itmeans to talk to God.
You know what it means to havea relationship with him.
She is the one that brought meup in the church.
So I want to have a non-profitorganization to where I can be a
(22:11):
safe haven and a place withresources for anybody who has
experienced, you know, trauma,right, you know, and try to help
them navigate that through life.
Chuck (22:23):
Is there any kind of trauma or just?
Katerris (22:26):
any kind of trauma.
Chuck (22:26):
I got you yeah.
Katerris (22:27):
You know, of course, you know children being molested
by family, friends or whatever.
That is close and dear to myheart and those are people that
I want to touch, of course.
But I don't want to singleanybody out because trauma is
trauma, it don't matter.
You know, some kids experiencetrauma because their parents
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were on drugs and they live fromhouse to house and the people
that care for them didn't reallycare for them, you know.
And so those people are adultstoday and they're carrying that
same weight, that same trauma.
My cousin who was recentlymurdered.
He joined a gang because hefelt like that was the closest
(23:13):
family to him, you know, and soclosest thing he had to family-
and that was from childhoodtrauma.
Chuck (23:20):
Right.
So, that is near and dear to myheart.
Katerris (23:24):
Yeah, so I want to touch you, know and help
everybody.
Chuck (23:28):
Yeah, that's something to speak about too.
Children are doing that,joining gangs, because they feel
I guess the family, the lovecoming from that source.
Katerris (23:38):
Uh-huh, yeah, uh-huh, yep, so they feel like they're a
part of something.
Mm-hmm, of course, yeah, yep,so they feel like they're a part
of something, and that's why I,you know, growing up, always
wanted a man, because I feltlike I was, I had something, it
was some type of void that wasbeing filled.
(23:59):
You know, if I wasn't dealingwith a guy, I felt like I didn't
have anything.
Chuck (24:03):
Wow.
Katerris (24:04):
You know, and it took years for me to get over that
part.
You know and learn to love meand love being in my own
presence.
I like that.
Chuck (24:14):
Yeah, I like that man.
It's so many like people likewhat you just said.
People get into a relationshipbecause there's a void.
I have to have thisrelationship to feel like, um,
I'm somebody you know, but it'sjust filling that void and so
they take so much abuse orwhatever from anybody because
it's it's making them feelcomfortable that they have
(24:34):
somebody right, yeah it's deep,so deep.
So who is your publisher?
Katerris (24:44):
let's talk about her so my publisher her name is
Diane Boyd and she is a goodgood friend of mine and I love
her um, she is veryinspirational.
She has been through sometrauma of her own and that's how
(25:05):
we connected and so you know Iwas talking to her about my book
and you know she was saying,hey, you know, let's do it, you
know you wrote it, let's get itout there for everybody, you
know you wrote it, let's get itout there for everybody.
And so she has been.
She has been just such a goodfriend, such a motivational
(25:33):
person to be around.
Chuck (25:34):
Wow.
Katerris (25:34):
You know, and we have had similar things you know,
happen within us.
That we have, you know,happened within us.
That we have.
She's really been there for methrough this whole process, with
me writing my book, and herpublishing company is called
Purposeful, so the word purposeand then the word full F-U-L-L
(25:57):
publishing company, and she hasbeen Publishing company and she
has been, even though we'refriends.
She has been a businesswoman.
She has been on time withthings.
She's prompt, she's reliable,dependable and her work is
remarkable.
She doesn't play around when itcomes to getting your stuff
(26:20):
done, getting it edited, gettingit published.
When the time she says she'sgoing to do it, it's done.
And that's what I like abouther that she's not playing
around.
When she says she's going to dosomething, she does just that.
Wow, and I like that about her.
Wow, you know, and you knowsome people.
You know they don't know how toseparate the friendship from
(26:41):
the business, but she'sdefinitely done that for me.
Shout out to Diane.
Chuck (26:47):
I love you.
Katerris (26:49):
I'm glad about everything that you're doing.
You know your publishingcompany her also being a
motivational speaker andmotivating people and telling
people.
You know you could turn yourpain into purpose.
You know you could turn all ofthat around and make it
something, because there'ssomebody else out there, even if
(27:12):
you don't do nothing but touchone person, it's somebody else
out there that has experiencedthe things you've experienced,
but they have not gotten to thepoint where you're at, where you
can say I'm coming out of it.
You know I'm stepping out of it.
I'm a better person now.
I love myself, now.
I care about me.
You know I'm not going to playabout me.
(27:33):
You know there are people outthere that haven't gotten to
that point yet and they want toget there, and so that's what
we're trying to do is be there,you know.
And Diane, she listened to mystory and you know she's
counseled with me, she's prayedwith me and she's just an
all-around wonderful person.
I don't care what nobody sayabout her.
She's been through her owntrauma but she is coming out of
(27:56):
it and she is using it to blessother people yeah.
Chuck (28:00):
She's definitely a solid person, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, very solid Shoutout to you, diane, yeah.
Katerris (28:08):
Yeah, yeah, shout out to Diane.
Chuck (28:11):
Well, Kateris, I really appreciate you coming on and
sharing your journey, um sharingyour book that's about to come
out and, uh, we reallyappreciate it.
We look forward to it, Lookforward to hearing your story.
Katerris (28:23):
Yes, yes, I will be letting you know.
Hey, you know, the book ispublished and I'm going to send
you a copy, a signed copy, fromme.
Chuck (28:31):
Wow appreciate that.
Katerris (28:32):
Yes, yes, so I'll be sending it to you and I'll be
letting you know when I'm havingmy book signed, and so maybe,
if you're not busy, you can stopby.
Chuck (28:40):
Absolutely, absolutely yeah.
Katerris (28:41):
And thank you so much for having me man, you're so
welcome.
Chuck (28:44):
Thanks again for being on .
Let's just talk about itPodcast.
We really appreciate you.
Katerris (28:49):
Thank you.
Chuck (28:55):
Wow, what an amazing conversation today.
Shout out to Kateris for havingthis dialogue with me.
You know, one of the things shesaid amongst amongst many other
things was the fact that shewas going through depression at
a very young age.
And the thing is is to payattention to young kids today,
because you never know whythey're doing the things they do
.
They may be going through about of depression and you don't
know why.
(29:15):
So I believe it's good to sitthem down and ask questions.
Don't be afraid to talk to themand ask what's going on in your
life questions.
Don't be afraid to talk to themand ask what's going on in your
life and by all means, ifyou're old or you're an adult,
listen to them, because theyjust might be telling you the
truth of what they're goingthrough.
So, once again, shout out toyou, kateris, for having the
boldness to share your journeywith somebody who may be going
through the same thing.
(29:36):
Hey, I want to thank everybodyfor tuning in to another episode
of let's Just Talk About itpodcast.
Thank you so much and untilnext time.
Don't hold it in, but let'sjust talk about it.
Talk to you soon you.
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