January 23, 2025 • 30 mins
What happens when Black excellence, wellness, and entrepreneurship intersect?
This episode offers a spotlight on Whitney Harvey, a powerhouse in business strategy and legal savvy, who joins us to reveal how she beautifully weaves self-care into the rigors of professional life. Together, we explore the creation of the Black HR Society, providing a haven for Black HR professionals to prioritize self-preservation in demanding careers.
We then venture into the realm of personal growth and love with a twist, challenging the norms of romantic relationships and the importance of energy alignment. Hear how confronting cycles of people-pleasing and self-sabotage can lead to transformative self-awareness and ultimately, an unexpected love story that shatters preconceived notions. As Whitney recommends "The Alchemist" and "The Blue Zones Challenge," we explore the profound impact of purpose-driven living on both longevity and fulfillment.
This episode promises to inspire you to reconnect with your "why," as you navigate life's transitions with authenticity and joy.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to let's Talk About it, the podcast where we
shine a light on the changeagents and everyday heroes who
shape our communities.
Here we dive deep into thelived experiences of our guests,
exploring the milestone momentsthat have either propelled them
forward or changed their pathsmoments that have either
propelled them forward orchanged their paths.
We anchor every conversation intwo foundational pillars of the
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Black community books and music.
Through this unique lens, wecapture, entertain and inform,
weaving a rich tapestry ofstories and insights that
resonate, inspire and sparkmeaningful dialogue.
Join our host, tj Lowry andShatima Grisham, as they engage
with thought leaders andcommunity change agents to
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uncover the rich tapestry ofexperiences that shape our lives
.
Get ready for insightfuldiscussions, unfiltered
perspectives and the celebrationof Black excellence.
Let's talk about it of BlackExcellence.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Let's talk about it.
Hey everyone, and welcome tolet's Talk About it the podcast.
I'm your girl, tj, and I'm soexcited to dive into another
show where we bring you anothercommunity change agent.
But before we do that, I've gotto introduce my fabulous
co-host.
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How you doing, shatima?
What's up, tj?
Good, good, so we got a newlittle space, girl.
How?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
you feeling about it.
I'm feeling real good about it.
I love the vibe for sure.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Me too, I feel like we're moving on up like the
Jeffersons Moving on up andquick and quick.
So I really just kind of wantedto ask you about health and
wellness today, especially withall that we have to navigate in
HR.
You are an entrepreneur, amommy.
(01:53):
What do you do, Shatima, tomake sure you are also self-care
, self-preservation and puttingon your mask?
Speaker 3 (02:03):
That's a multifaceted question.
I think it's an ongoing process.
For me, some weeks, months,days, I feel more balanced than
others.
I just have to.
For me, I have to remind myselfto go easy on myself.
I think sometimes we feel likewe have to get everything done
and then when you're not able toget everything done and that's
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when we start to kind of pickourselves apart so for me, I
have to, you know, remind myselflike, okay, we got seven of the
10 things done, or we got themost important things done, or
you know what we had to call anaudible and just be present for
ourselves and how we're feeling,you know, and listening to my
body.
So, like um, like I said, somedays I feel a little better
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about what I've gotten done andother days not, maybe not so
much Um, but I've just learnedto be easy with myself.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
I find myself meditating a lot more now.
Um, it's something new into mypractice, daily practice,
probably the spring, and sinceI've done that, like now, I want
to do it more.
I spend a lot of time outsidejust enjoying nature.
If it's 10 minutes, I just wantto go out and be in the yard
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and be with the trees, right,and just get some sunshine.
You know, I work in an officewhere it's dark.
In the aquarium it's prettydark, and so we have to be
intentional about getting thatnature and sunshine, and so I
enjoy that time.
Because I spend so much time inmeetings and on the phone and
talking, oh yeah.
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And so when I'm meditating, I'mfeeling and measuring my own
senses and being aware of, youknow, my mental state and having
to say, dang, I might need totake some time off next week, or
you know, really just focusingon what's happening and what's
coming and not just doing yeah,and so I do a lot of meditation
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Again, even if it's 10 minutes,on my way to work.
That's me preparing for war.
I am listening to affirmationsall the way there.
You know I might take a call ortwo, but those I am's are so
essential so that I can staygrounded and just right here.
So the Black HR Society was alsocreated for that same reason.
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We wanted to create a safespace for black HR professionals
.
Because we deal with a lot.
You know we're focusing on thestaff, the team, but who's
really focusing on us, right?
And so I just wanted to takethat moment to recenter us and
make sure that, as HRpractitioners and just
professionals, you know we aredoing that.
(04:44):
I think today's guest, whichI'm excited for you to introduce
us to, knows a little bit aboutthat.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
So who are you introducing us to today?
Absolutely Thank you for that,tj, though, but thank you for
the reminder, you know, to getoutside and connect with nature,
and so so I appreciate that,but I'm excited about our guest,
who's also our friend, missWhitney Harvey.
Welcome to, let's Talk About it.
(05:12):
Thank you for having me, ladies, it's such a pleasure to be
here, awesome.
Well, let me get your intro outof the way, because it's heavy
over there.
You've been doing a lot.
So we have Whitney Harvey.
She is the CEO of Gen 38 andself-coached lawyer.
She's an esteemed businessstrategist, a consultant and a
motivational speaker whointegrates legal expertise and
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wellness into practice.
Now her credentials is sheholds her Juris Doctorate from
ASU Sandra Day O'Connor'sCollege of Law and is pursuing a
Doctor of Philosophy in GeneralPsychology, with a
specialization in Industrial andOrganizational Psychology.
Get it, girl.
Thank you.
Welcome to.
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Let's Talk About it.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Thank you for having me.
It feels good, it's good energyin the room always is with you
two, so thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Absolutely yeah you for having me.
Absolutely yeah, you lookbeautiful as ever.
We're really excited to diginto the episode and really just
share with our audience moreabout you.
You know we've seen you onsocial doing your thing out in
these social streets.
Shatima and I are trying tocatch up.
You've surpassed me.
What?
Yes, okay, because you out herewith and I'm excited.
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Before we jump into the show,we are HR practitioners and so
we like to do a little.
What do you call it?
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Ice breakers, that's what we do.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yes, let's talk about it.
So we'll ask you a question.
Just give us the first thingthat comes to mind, your first
thought.
Okay, first thing that comes tomind, you know?
Uh, the for your first thought.
Okay, so coffee or tea, tea,okay, we have coffee and we got
it as soon as we got all day,all day sweet or savory,
definitely savory savory, yeahme too, girl me too, unless it's
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the combo.
I like the combo sweet, savorymorning or night, morning,
morning.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
She's team, she's team, I am team morning.
Tj is not.
She's up all night.
It's all night, night out.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
And then I start in the dark of the day too, so I
feel like night is when I wantto work.
What's your favorite season?
The fall?
Is that Arizona?
Speaker 3 (07:25):
fall or Traditional fall, because we do not have
that traditional fall.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Well, I would say Arizona.
So September to November, okay.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Arizona fall.
That's what.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
I thought what about?
What's your favorite app?
Speaker 4 (07:40):
My favorite app Ooh Instagram right now.
Instagram.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Text or call.
You prefer text or callingTexting, texting.
I'm Gen X, so I'm a caller.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
I prefer the call.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Yeah we want to just hurry up and tell you.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
I want you to hear my tone and inflections, because
that means something.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Yes, I ain't even clicking over.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
I like it.
I don't mind a scheduled call,but like the impromptu and a
fist bump.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
That's work.
A scheduled call, let'sschedule it.
I like that.
What about your guilty pleasureTV show?
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Real Housewives.
Anything, Anything.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Do you have a favorite one?
Speaker 4 (08:27):
um potomac right now?
Speaker 2 (08:30):
yeah, pretty good.
Yeah, do you think atlanta will?
Speaker 4 (08:32):
bounce back, you know , maybe because phadra's coming
back which?
Speaker 2 (08:37):
she was always my favorite.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Yeah, firecracker, phadra, yes, but if we could get
phadra and nini together liketogether like old times.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
It'll be like old times.
It'll be a throwback Sex withthe lights on or off.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Ooh, I say off, yeah.
Yeah, I know that soundsvanilla, but I just think you
can really be like unleasheverything and just really be
free.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
I heard while you get over your 40, unleash
everything and just really befree.
I heard you get over your 40s,you're not going to care, right.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
We didn't get enough to turn them off, so whatever
happened, when this is wherewe're at, there you go.
Yeah, what was the last bookyou read?
Speaker 4 (09:22):
I did a repeat of one of my favorites.
It's through Audible so Iwasn't actually open.
But the Power, the Power, yes,by Rhonda Byrne.
Okay, so she does like thesecret, that whole series.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
I love the Power and you're reading it twice.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
This is probably like my I don't know 100th time Wow.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yes, we might need this.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Yes, since 2015,.
I just love playing it over andover.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Do you remember what was on the cover?
Speaker 4 (09:50):
of the book?
Oh my goodness.
No, because it's audible and Ifeel like it's just like the
power.
Yeah, so I don't remember ifit's like a star, but it's her
branding, sure.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, so they say the cover of a book is what lures
an audience in.
If we picked up the book ofWhitney, what would be on your
cover, whitney, and for you,this would be also what lures us
in.
And also how you show up, howyou present to people Today
present cute, by the way, I seeit Funky love boots.
How do?
Speaker 3 (10:24):
you show up how you present to people Today, present
cute by the way, I see you.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
I see you, funky little boots.
How do you show up?
Speaker 4 (10:28):
I like, I mean.
So I think I like a littleelement of an edge, so like
whether it's the leather bootsor a leather jacket, the big
sunglasses, so I like acomponent of that.
And then I like bright, boldcolors.
I see you have the red lip, thered, you know pants, I love red
everything.
So I think it would be probablyme in some sort of stance where
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it is like super powerful butlike edgy.
So professional and edgy, Ilike to have the dichotomy of
both.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
I like that, and that's how you show up too, I
assume, right With that littleedge on you.
You're a lawyer, so you've gotthe serious piece, but you're
edgy with it, exactly I likethat.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
I definitely like that.
So the back cover of the bookis what convinces us to buy the
book.
What would your back cover say?
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Ooh.
So the back cover would bereally looking at this
resiliency in motion.
I would say that describeseverything I do.
Everything I touch is just howcan I turn lemons into lemonade?
So it's going to be a story ofin every facet of life, turning
any dip into empowerment.
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So, whether it's workplace,whether it's relationship like
romantic or friendships, or evenfamily dynamics, I'm just going
to always turn a situation intosomething for the positive and
make the best out of it.
So I'm going to turn it into myadvantage.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Are you the cheerleader in the family if
things are going blah, blah,blah?
Yeah, I would say so A littlebit of come on, you feel, half
full person is what I'm hearing.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Absolutely, I can't stay down too long.
Like you know, we're going toalways have moments where we're
up and down, but I would say I'mmostly up or I'm trying to get
out of it, like I'm trying tofigure it out.
I can't just stay down, itfigure it out.
I can't just stay down.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
It just doesn't feel conducive to me and my energy,
so I'm an overcomer.
You don't want that lowvibration.
We need high vibration and weneed to survive yeah.
And we'll attract highvibration.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
So for sure.
So what people, place or eventwas most impactful to you along
the way?
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Let's see people.
Definitely my mom.
I know TJ knows who my mom isshe has an HR background and you
know she had me at 17 teenagemom, single mom.
So in a lot of ways we just,you know, grew up together and
had to be strength for eachother.
So I would definitely say thatshe's been a backbone for me in
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everything and a motivator forme too.
She never wanted any doorsclosed to me.
So she's like pick a career,pick something powerful, pick
something that no one can closethe door on you.
Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I know.
Shout out to Miss Colette by theway also from our hometown,
milwaukee, wisconsin, whointroduced us because she was
supporting you and she, you know, during your transition to
doing your own thing.
She said we should meet and I'mvery grateful that she did.
Coming from our area, teenpregnancy was a commonality, you
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know.
I remember being in that timeframe in Milwaukee, having the
highest teen pregnancy.
I was so scared my kids, wouldyou know, end up in the
statistics.
I was a teen pregnancy and youknow that was our environment.
So but look at us now, you know, glowing up and really just
supporting you, and I'm gladshe's done that for you because
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we're proud of you.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
And everything you're doing.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Thank you, I appreciate it.
It's nice to be able to.
I think in the past I wouldshare that story and, depending
on the rooms I would be in, Ifelt some shame around it, not
knowingly, but you know, I'verealized that as I've processed
my journey of there'll be timesI would omit that and I've just
been leading with them more andmore.
Every space I'm in of like boom.
This is how I came into theworld, but not in a negative.
(14:31):
That's right.
It's not.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
It's not, it's your testimony you know, and this
year I've been really pushed toshare my testimony and I think
this is, you know, a good spacefor us to do that so thank you
for sharing and being vulnerablein that space.
Now if, um, I called your bookthe book of Whitney but if you
did write your book, what wouldthe title be?
(14:52):
And then share some of thosechapters that were really
pivotal.
Um, that would resonate withpeople what they'll walk away
with yeah, okay.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
So title, I'm just gonna go with it because it's
kind of the movement I'm onright now.
I like it.
What they'll walk away with,yeah, okay.
So title, I'm just going to gowith it because it's kind of the
movement I'm on right now.
I like it, I like it.
So release the fuck boy energy.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Yes, hurry up and write that.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
I know I've been slow to write it.
I've been slow to write it,Whoa you better get that book
written and on the shelves.
Well, I started with the event,so we've been doing the event.
It's a breathwork event pluship hop music, getting women
together and like whateverfuckboy energy is for you Like.
For me it was romanticrelationships, but for some
people is workplace work, isgrief.
(15:34):
You know it through that.
Using it as a post-traumaticgrowth opportunity, yeah, and so
that would be the name of thebook and the chapters I'm buying
.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
I'm buying off the title.
I'm waiting for it.
I'm on the way, Lips.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Well, I'll have it, make sure.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
I'll personally sign it.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
And y'all have to catch me in the city of your
choice because we want to takeit and make it a tour.
I love it.
Yes, that'll be exciting andthen the chapters will be.
You know it's going to be a lotof dynamics, but for me in
particular, looking at romanticrelationships, there was a lot
of, you know, fuck boy energy Iendured there and looking at how
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that pattern in the way Iperceive my relationship to
people, how that translated intothe workplace and translate it
now as an entrepreneur Right,you know, if you were always a
people pleaser and you're tryingto overcome that, there's going
to be that thread through allkinds of areas of your life.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Setting the boundaries, even with family.
Yeah, being able to push backon things that are not conducive
to our our mental health andwell-being so I know that I'm
sorry.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
I want to know if you'll like peel back the layers
a little bit for the audienceand define because you said it
can be in the workplace and Ifeel, like we know you know that
context of it knows.
But for the people in theaudience that, like we know you
know that context of it knows,but for the people in the
audience that may not know, howdo you define that fuckboy
energy?
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Yeah.
So I would just say it's thislike really intense energy that
keeps you in that cycle ofoverthinking and you know second
guessing yourself, and thenit's also self-sabotaging, right
.
So it's like, even when youmight have come through a
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situation and you feel empoweredthrough it, then you know you
might have a positiveopportunity or a positive person
come into your life and if youdon't catch yourself, you might
sabotage it based on yourhistory of what you've
encountered.
So it's like you got to getthrough the.
You have to overcome it and beempowered to get through it, but
then for your future alignment,your future prospects and
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opportunities, you can'tself-sabotage it so that you
don't bring in the goodness intoyour life that you're seeking
and that you have been seeking.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Yeah, you have to identify that right, you have to
know, because sometimes you'rein the middle of the cycle, you
don't know.
And then, if you know, for me Iknow I had somebody tell me hey
, you know, yeah, you did reallygreat this time, but did you
see, like you said, how thatcame back through in this little
area here?
And so you have to recognizethat you are in that energy and
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pull through, because sometimeswe don't, especially when it's
intimate relationships.
Right, you just keep.
Why you keep having the sameperson come around, like, what
is it about me that keepsdrawing this person?
Speaker 1 (18:34):
in.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
And they may be, you know, a pedigree higher than
before, but they're still thesame person, right?
Speaker 2 (18:41):
New package, yeah than before, but they're still
right.
It's the same person, right?
New package, yeah.
Yeah, I feel like to Whitney'sdefinition.
That is what we're giving right.
You're gonna attract what yourenergy is and that's why, when
she is not in that space of Idon't want to be low vibration.
You're gonna be around peoplewho are, and so if you are
dating the same people, it'sbecause we haven't changed, we
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haven't really peeled and openedup and fixed some of those
things, and we just take it tothe next relationship and expect
the next person to deal, and,to your point, we may get a
little bit better, like, oh, hedressed nicer, oh, he got a
little more money, but inessence it's the same
relationship.
And I know, you know, I justwent through that phase of
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saying that old me has died, youknow, and I've had some healthy
relationships finally, but theystill weren't, you know, great,
you know.
But in looking back on what Ihad, they were better.
So I'm like I'm doing good andso that's where I think we have
to focus on us and that energy,and I will.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
I'm waiting for the book with, I'm waiting for the
motivation we're gonna make sureit's on your schedule to get
some authors in some of thosechapters written absolutely well
in this book.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Um, we've talked about you know what it means but
what's the plot twist in it?
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Ooh, plot twist, ooh, okay.
Well, I would say just what'scoming from the top of my brain,
because I always like to gowith intuitively.
And the plot twist is mefinding love, me finding stable,
secure love in another woman.
That was never in at theforefront of my mind.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
Never dated women historically.
But I got to a space where youknow I had put down all my
character.
You know they say make yourlist, made the list, prayed on
it for years and years and I wasfinally in a phase, through the
pandemic, where I'm just likeI'm going to be respected, I'm
going to enjoy life.
I'm not going to gonna hold offand wait, like waiting for it
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to come, I'm just gonna livelife and when it's the right
time, that person will find meand literally met my fiance,
like out at brunch for mybirthday and um with a group of
friends, not ever thinking it'sgoing to be a woman, but Like
the comfort I felt when she cameover to approach me was just
like at home and like peaceful,and there was a depth to our
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conversation early.
It wasn't just like what areyou doing?
Like that text of where you atyeah.
I was like, oh, okay, it waslike you know, it was very deep.
And I noticed that because Ihave been on a lot of dates and
I'm like this is so superficialand so I felt it.
This is so superficial.
And so I felt it right away thefirst week, love it, and I just
leaned into it.
I was like I don't know whatthis means, I'm not sure, but I
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had enough security and Itrusted myself enough to know
that I had to take the leapbecause I felt so comfortable
and I felt so alignedenergetically with her.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Yeah, that's a good plot twist.
Yeah, I like it.
Yeah, and congratulations.
Thank you, congratulations,thank you.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Almost four years now , so that's my longest
relationship.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
I need to get out more and go branching, go
branching.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Well, I like that you are leaning into letting the
energy you feel lead you right,because so many times we focus
on what the world thinks we'resupposed to have our family, our
co-workers, you know, even justthe fact that you're supposed
to be with somebody who says,right, you can't be happy single
.
And so I love that your energyis guiding you to find love, to
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find what's naturally for you.
And so that's where I'm saying,as a team, we're going to have
to open up and see what thetwerking is that need to happen,
because you attract, you know.
And so I hear her saying thatearly on, y'all felt it,
everything was firing, and soyou know, now being able to
embrace that I'm sure it's aplot twist and having to then go
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into your family and friendsand say, you know, surprise,
surprise, surprise, surprise youknow, and they're like wait
what?
Speaker 4 (22:55):
You know we'll see Right.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
That's what I have a best friend at home and she went
through the same thing thesharing with her family and she
was married.
You know she has two kids andso they felt the same way.
Oh, she'll get over it soon andshe's like no, we're getting
married.
You know, it was very seriousfor her.
Now they've embraced and loveher partner we all do, you know.
But I think that moment waswhat's happening.
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She'll get through this phase.
It's a phase.
But I also want to saycongratulations.
I've known and.
I've just.
It just gives me, you know,good hope and and I love the
energy that you get to carryfrom all that happiness and
having a partner and you lookhappy yes, talking about it over
there, like she pregnant, Iknow what's not pregnant.
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I mean the glow, not the glow.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
I just wait for the invite.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Yeah, you might have to catch us on vacation because
we're like we'll do somethingsuper small and then we want to
go maybe to Europe or?
Speaker 2 (23:56):
overseas for a couple weeks.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
Love that.
Yeah, but I love what you saidabout energy.
Like that's what I'm doing inall aspects of life now, just
letting the energy guide me tomy next opportunity.
Yeah, I don't chase, I attract.
Like you know, I'm no longer inthat state of mind of like I
gotta like make it happen formyself you have to have some
activity, some action, but youdon't have to chase
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opportunities that are meant foryou.
That's what, what I learned.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
I love that and it's true.
You know, even when it comes tomoney, don't chase the money,
chase your passion and it'llcome.
And so when we're exerting ourenergy in those positive things,
you create and you attractsomething bigger and better.
So I love that.
So we believe all leaders arereaders, but not all readers are
leaders.
(24:43):
What book would you recommendto our audience and why?
Speaker 4 (24:49):
I would recommend.
Okay, so I have to pick justone.
You can recommend more than one, okay, because my initial
thought so one that I reallyhave enjoyed was the Alchemist,
and it's really about being onthis journey to purpose of you
know, this young man going on ajourney to find this treasure
and for him to have a fullcircle moment where he literally
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ends up back home and that'swhere the treasure was.
So, you know, just growing somuch on the journey and really
not being about the destinationbut being about the skill set,
the experiences you have alongthe way.
And then blue Blue ZonesChallenge is one that I've
really been enjoying and isstill connected to the idea of
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purpose.
So there's this man that lookedat different communities across
the world to see thecommunities where people average
they live an average of 100years and he looked for the
commonalities amongst us.
I think it's seven communitiesand look for you know, what are
the central things they have incommon, and one of the common
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things was purpose, like notjust knowing their purpose but
waking up every day and havingsome reflection on it, yeah, and
living in it and finding thatalignment in every task they do,
even if it's like gardening orsomething that's more physical
labor, but them connecting thatto their purpose, and I just
thought that was so powerfulbecause I think that's why a lot
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of us are so disconnected.
in the work we're doing we can'tfind any connection to our why,
our North Star or our purpose.
So those are two.
I think from a leadershipperspective are major, because
if you're going through atransition or in a work
environment that's not ideal atthe moment, you still have to be
able to at least get throughthat situation.
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And being able to stayconnected to your why I think is
going to be essential for thosetransitions.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
That's so good, whitney.
I can't wait to get those bookreferences or referrals from you
.
We'll make sure we put them inthe link too, for the audience.
So good, it's about thatpurpose right.
And so that helped them livelonger.
You over here preaching so much, I almost said.
I say you know it sounded sogood because I think so many
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people live in the rat race.
I get up, I go to work, I comeback home, I go to bed, you know
, and you start over, but youreally aren't enjoying the
experience, you aren't presentwith the journey and you're just
trying to get through it.
And you don't realize you'rejust your life is just going by
you.
You won't get that time back.
Life is just going by you.
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You won't get that time back.
And I think when we one haveour purpose and have it top of
mind, you do, you enjoy the days.
It can be, a rough day, but youknow that your purpose is
bigger than this day, so goodstuff.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
I agree.
I think it leads to a lot ofthe dissatisfaction and the
hopelessness that you know a lotof people have, the
hopelessness that you know a lotof people have, especially when
you see, like you know, suiciderates have increased and some
of the other um, you know,addictions and disorders.
It's because of losing thatNorth star.
Waking up and understandingwhat that purpose is and, you
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know, moving towards it andtrying to figure out why your
current state is what it is,cause it requires some shadow
work sometimes.
You, you know you have to go anddig deep and figure out what
roles you played in in thecircumstance and situation that
you're in.
But once you get through that,then you get to be where you
know you can enjoy the journeyand you can figure out where the
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focus is, even in the middle ofa bad day, still being grateful
, right and being aligned, andthen also knowing, when you fall
off, that it's you know.
It's up to you to restart andyou can restart.
So I definitely love that.
I love that I'm going to getthese books.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Me too.
I can't wait, I can't wait.
So this has been a greatdiscussion.
Will you tell everybody wherethey can find you on social
media?
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Yeah, absolutely where they can find you on
social media.
Yeah, absolutely so.
I have multiple Instagramaccounts, but I say the central
one can just bewhitneymharveyesq, because that
will connect to the self-coachlawyer and Gen 38.
And then I'm on LinkedIn aswell.
So you know, we like to stayconnected on LinkedIn.
I like to show out on there aswell.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Yes, so, yeah, look for me on LinkedIn Awesome.
Well, thank you for joining theshow.
We really enjoyed you beinghere and I've learned a lot more
.
I feel like every time I meetyou, I learn more and more and
more, so we appreciate youshowing up for us here today.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
Thank you Thanks so much for having me.
It's always a pleasure with youtoo.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Absolutely Well, once again, I'm Shatima.
I am the CEO of Procure TalentManagement Group and the Vice
President of Membership andProfessional Development with
BHRS.
You can find PTMG on LinkedIn,Facebook and Instagram.
Our website isprocuretmgroupcom.
Always forget that and you canalso contact me for the podcast
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at Shatima.
We want to talk about it, Allright.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
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We absolutely appreciate youjoining us today and hopefully
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Thank you so much.
Thank you, hopefully you'llcome back next time.
Thank you so much.
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Hey everyone, and welcome tolet's Talk About it the podcast.
I'm your girl, tj, and I'm soexcited to dive into another
show where we bring you anothercommunity change agent.
But before we do that, I've gotto introduce my fabulous
co-host.
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How you doing, shatima?
What's up, tj?
Good, good, so we got a newlittle space, girl.
How?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
you feeling about it.
I'm feeling real good about it.
I love the vibe for sure.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Me too, I feel like we're moving on up like the
Jeffersons Moving on up andquick and quick.
So I really just kind of wantedto ask you about health and
wellness today, especially withall that we have to navigate in
HR.
You are an entrepreneur, amommy.
(01:53):
What do you do, Shatima, tomake sure you are also self-care
, self-preservation and puttingon your mask?
Speaker 3 (02:03):
That's a multifaceted question.
I think it's an ongoing process.
For me, some weeks, months,days, I feel more balanced than
others.
I just have to.
For me, I have to remind myselfto go easy on myself.
I think sometimes we feel likewe have to get everything done
and then when you're not able toget everything done and that's
(02:24):
when we start to kind of pickourselves apart so for me, I
have to, you know, remind myselflike, okay, we got seven of the
10 things done, or we got themost important things done, or
you know what we had to call anaudible and just be present for
ourselves and how we're feeling,you know, and listening to my
body.
So, like um, like I said, somedays I feel a little better
(02:47):
about what I've gotten done andother days not, maybe not so
much Um, but I've just learnedto be easy with myself.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
I find myself meditating a lot more now.
Um, it's something new into mypractice, daily practice,
probably the spring, and sinceI've done that, like now, I want
to do it more.
I spend a lot of time outsidejust enjoying nature.
If it's 10 minutes, I just wantto go out and be in the yard
(03:17):
and be with the trees, right,and just get some sunshine.
You know, I work in an officewhere it's dark.
In the aquarium it's prettydark, and so we have to be
intentional about getting thatnature and sunshine, and so I
enjoy that time.
Because I spend so much time inmeetings and on the phone and
talking, oh yeah.
(03:37):
And so when I'm meditating, I'mfeeling and measuring my own
senses and being aware of, youknow, my mental state and having
to say, dang, I might need totake some time off next week, or
you know, really just focusingon what's happening and what's
coming and not just doing yeah,and so I do a lot of meditation
(04:00):
Again, even if it's 10 minutes,on my way to work.
That's me preparing for war.
I am listening to affirmationsall the way there.
You know I might take a call ortwo, but those I am's are so
essential so that I can staygrounded and just right here.
So the Black HR Society was alsocreated for that same reason.
(04:23):
We wanted to create a safespace for black HR professionals
.
Because we deal with a lot.
You know we're focusing on thestaff, the team, but who's
really focusing on us, right?
And so I just wanted to takethat moment to recenter us and
make sure that, as HRpractitioners and just
professionals, you know we aredoing that.
(04:44):
I think today's guest, whichI'm excited for you to introduce
us to, knows a little bit aboutthat.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
So who are you introducing us to today?
Absolutely Thank you for that,tj, though, but thank you for
the reminder, you know, to getoutside and connect with nature,
and so so I appreciate that,but I'm excited about our guest,
who's also our friend, missWhitney Harvey.
Welcome to, let's Talk About it.
(05:12):
Thank you for having me, ladies, it's such a pleasure to be
here, awesome.
Well, let me get your intro outof the way, because it's heavy
over there.
You've been doing a lot.
So we have Whitney Harvey.
She is the CEO of Gen 38 andself-coached lawyer.
She's an esteemed businessstrategist, a consultant and a
motivational speaker whointegrates legal expertise and
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wellness into practice.
Now her credentials is sheholds her Juris Doctorate from
ASU Sandra Day O'Connor'sCollege of Law and is pursuing a
Doctor of Philosophy in GeneralPsychology, with a
specialization in Industrial andOrganizational Psychology.
Get it, girl.
Thank you.
Welcome to.
(05:56):
Let's Talk About it.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Thank you for having me.
It feels good, it's good energyin the room always is with you
two, so thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Absolutely yeah you for having me.
Absolutely yeah, you lookbeautiful as ever.
We're really excited to diginto the episode and really just
share with our audience moreabout you.
You know we've seen you onsocial doing your thing out in
these social streets.
Shatima and I are trying tocatch up.
You've surpassed me.
What?
Yes, okay, because you out herewith and I'm excited.
(06:26):
Before we jump into the show,we are HR practitioners and so
we like to do a little.
What do you call it?
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Ice breakers, that's what we do.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yes, let's talk about it.
So we'll ask you a question.
Just give us the first thingthat comes to mind, your first
thought.
Okay, first thing that comes tomind, you know?
Uh, the for your first thought.
Okay, so coffee or tea, tea,okay, we have coffee and we got
it as soon as we got all day,all day sweet or savory,
definitely savory savory, yeahme too, girl me too, unless it's
(06:59):
the combo.
I like the combo sweet, savorymorning or night, morning,
morning.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
She's team, she's team, I am team morning.
Tj is not.
She's up all night.
It's all night, night out.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
And then I start in the dark of the day too, so I
feel like night is when I wantto work.
What's your favorite season?
The fall?
Is that Arizona?
Speaker 3 (07:25):
fall or Traditional fall, because we do not have
that traditional fall.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Well, I would say Arizona.
So September to November, okay.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Arizona fall.
That's what.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
I thought what about?
What's your favorite app?
Speaker 4 (07:40):
My favorite app Ooh Instagram right now.
Instagram.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Text or call.
You prefer text or callingTexting, texting.
I'm Gen X, so I'm a caller.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
I prefer the call.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Yeah we want to just hurry up and tell you.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
I want you to hear my tone and inflections, because
that means something.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Yes, I ain't even clicking over.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
I like it.
I don't mind a scheduled call,but like the impromptu and a
fist bump.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
That's work.
A scheduled call, let'sschedule it.
I like that.
What about your guilty pleasureTV show?
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Real Housewives.
Anything, Anything.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Do you have a favorite one?
Speaker 4 (08:27):
um potomac right now?
Speaker 2 (08:30):
yeah, pretty good.
Yeah, do you think atlanta will?
Speaker 4 (08:32):
bounce back, you know , maybe because phadra's coming
back which?
Speaker 2 (08:37):
she was always my favorite.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Yeah, firecracker, phadra, yes, but if we could get
phadra and nini together liketogether like old times.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
It'll be like old times.
It'll be a throwback Sex withthe lights on or off.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Ooh, I say off, yeah.
Yeah, I know that soundsvanilla, but I just think you
can really be like unleasheverything and just really be
free.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
I heard while you get over your 40, unleash
everything and just really befree.
I heard you get over your 40s,you're not going to care, right.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
We didn't get enough to turn them off, so whatever
happened, when this is wherewe're at, there you go.
Yeah, what was the last bookyou read?
Speaker 4 (09:22):
I did a repeat of one of my favorites.
It's through Audible so Iwasn't actually open.
But the Power, the Power, yes,by Rhonda Byrne.
Okay, so she does like thesecret, that whole series.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
I love the Power and you're reading it twice.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
This is probably like my I don't know 100th time Wow.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yes, we might need this.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Yes, since 2015,.
I just love playing it over andover.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Do you remember what was on the cover?
Speaker 4 (09:50):
of the book?
Oh my goodness.
No, because it's audible and Ifeel like it's just like the
power.
Yeah, so I don't remember ifit's like a star, but it's her
branding, sure.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, so they say the cover of a book is what lures
an audience in.
If we picked up the book ofWhitney, what would be on your
cover, whitney, and for you,this would be also what lures us
in.
And also how you show up, howyou present to people Today
present cute, by the way, I seeit Funky love boots.
How do?
Speaker 3 (10:24):
you show up how you present to people Today, present
cute by the way, I see you.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
I see you, funky little boots.
How do you show up?
Speaker 4 (10:28):
I like, I mean.
So I think I like a littleelement of an edge, so like
whether it's the leather bootsor a leather jacket, the big
sunglasses, so I like acomponent of that.
And then I like bright, boldcolors.
I see you have the red lip, thered, you know pants, I love red
everything.
So I think it would be probablyme in some sort of stance where
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it is like super powerful butlike edgy.
So professional and edgy, Ilike to have the dichotomy of
both.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
I like that, and that's how you show up too, I
assume, right With that littleedge on you.
You're a lawyer, so you've gotthe serious piece, but you're
edgy with it, exactly I likethat.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
I definitely like that.
So the back cover of the bookis what convinces us to buy the
book.
What would your back cover say?
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Ooh.
So the back cover would bereally looking at this
resiliency in motion.
I would say that describeseverything I do.
Everything I touch is just howcan I turn lemons into lemonade?
So it's going to be a story ofin every facet of life, turning
any dip into empowerment.
(11:40):
So, whether it's workplace,whether it's relationship like
romantic or friendships, or evenfamily dynamics, I'm just going
to always turn a situation intosomething for the positive and
make the best out of it.
So I'm going to turn it into myadvantage.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Are you the cheerleader in the family if
things are going blah, blah,blah?
Yeah, I would say so A littlebit of come on, you feel, half
full person is what I'm hearing.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Absolutely, I can't stay down too long.
Like you know, we're going toalways have moments where we're
up and down, but I would say I'mmostly up or I'm trying to get
out of it, like I'm trying tofigure it out.
I can't just stay down, itfigure it out.
I can't just stay down.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
It just doesn't feel conducive to me and my energy,
so I'm an overcomer.
You don't want that lowvibration.
We need high vibration and weneed to survive yeah.
And we'll attract highvibration.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
So for sure.
So what people, place or eventwas most impactful to you along
the way?
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Let's see people.
Definitely my mom.
I know TJ knows who my mom isshe has an HR background and you
know she had me at 17 teenagemom, single mom.
So in a lot of ways we just,you know, grew up together and
had to be strength for eachother.
So I would definitely say thatshe's been a backbone for me in
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everything and a motivator forme too.
She never wanted any doorsclosed to me.
So she's like pick a career,pick something powerful, pick
something that no one can closethe door on you.
Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I know.
Shout out to Miss Colette by theway also from our hometown,
milwaukee, wisconsin, whointroduced us because she was
supporting you and she, you know, during your transition to
doing your own thing.
She said we should meet and I'mvery grateful that she did.
Coming from our area, teenpregnancy was a commonality, you
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know.
I remember being in that timeframe in Milwaukee, having the
highest teen pregnancy.
I was so scared my kids, wouldyou know, end up in the
statistics.
I was a teen pregnancy and youknow that was our environment.
So but look at us now, you know, glowing up and really just
supporting you, and I'm gladshe's done that for you because
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we're proud of you.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
And everything you're doing.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Thank you, I appreciate it.
It's nice to be able to.
I think in the past I wouldshare that story and, depending
on the rooms I would be in, Ifelt some shame around it, not
knowingly, but you know, I'verealized that as I've processed
my journey of there'll be timesI would omit that and I've just
been leading with them more andmore.
Every space I'm in of like boom.
This is how I came into theworld, but not in a negative.
(14:31):
That's right.
It's not.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
It's not, it's your testimony you know, and this
year I've been really pushed toshare my testimony and I think
this is, you know, a good spacefor us to do that so thank you
for sharing and being vulnerablein that space.
Now if, um, I called your bookthe book of Whitney but if you
did write your book, what wouldthe title be?
(14:52):
And then share some of thosechapters that were really
pivotal.
Um, that would resonate withpeople what they'll walk away
with yeah, okay.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
So title, I'm just gonna go with it because it's
kind of the movement I'm onright now.
I like it.
What they'll walk away with,yeah, okay.
So title, I'm just going to gowith it because it's kind of the
movement I'm on right now.
I like it, I like it.
So release the fuck boy energy.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Yes, hurry up and write that.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
I know I've been slow to write it.
I've been slow to write it,Whoa you better get that book
written and on the shelves.
Well, I started with the event,so we've been doing the event.
It's a breathwork event pluship hop music, getting women
together and like whateverfuckboy energy is for you Like.
For me it was romanticrelationships, but for some
people is workplace work, isgrief.
(15:34):
You know it through that.
Using it as a post-traumaticgrowth opportunity, yeah, and so
that would be the name of thebook and the chapters I'm buying
.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
I'm buying off the title.
I'm waiting for it.
I'm on the way, Lips.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Well, I'll have it, make sure.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
I'll personally sign it.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
And y'all have to catch me in the city of your
choice because we want to takeit and make it a tour.
I love it.
Yes, that'll be exciting andthen the chapters will be.
You know it's going to be a lotof dynamics, but for me in
particular, looking at romanticrelationships, there was a lot
of, you know, fuck boy energy Iendured there and looking at how
(16:20):
that pattern in the way Iperceive my relationship to
people, how that translated intothe workplace and translate it
now as an entrepreneur Right,you know, if you were always a
people pleaser and you're tryingto overcome that, there's going
to be that thread through allkinds of areas of your life.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Setting the boundaries, even with family.
Yeah, being able to push backon things that are not conducive
to our our mental health andwell-being so I know that I'm
sorry.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
I want to know if you'll like peel back the layers
a little bit for the audienceand define because you said it
can be in the workplace and Ifeel, like we know you know that
context of it knows.
But for the people in theaudience that, like we know you
know that context of it knows,but for the people in the
audience that may not know, howdo you define that fuckboy
energy?
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Yeah.
So I would just say it's thislike really intense energy that
keeps you in that cycle ofoverthinking and you know second
guessing yourself, and thenit's also self-sabotaging, right
.
So it's like, even when youmight have come through a
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situation and you feel empoweredthrough it, then you know you
might have a positiveopportunity or a positive person
come into your life and if youdon't catch yourself, you might
sabotage it based on yourhistory of what you've
encountered.
So it's like you got to getthrough the.
You have to overcome it and beempowered to get through it, but
then for your future alignment,your future prospects and
(17:51):
opportunities, you can'tself-sabotage it so that you
don't bring in the goodness intoyour life that you're seeking
and that you have been seeking.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Yeah, you have to identify that right, you have to
know, because sometimes you'rein the middle of the cycle, you
don't know.
And then, if you know, for me Iknow I had somebody tell me hey
, you know, yeah, you did reallygreat this time, but did you
see, like you said, how thatcame back through in this little
area here?
And so you have to recognizethat you are in that energy and
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pull through, because sometimeswe don't, especially when it's
intimate relationships.
Right, you just keep.
Why you keep having the sameperson come around, like, what
is it about me that keepsdrawing this person?
Speaker 1 (18:34):
in.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
And they may be, you know, a pedigree higher than
before, but they're still thesame person, right?
Speaker 2 (18:41):
New package, yeah than before, but they're still
right.
It's the same person, right?
New package, yeah.
Yeah, I feel like to Whitney'sdefinition.
That is what we're giving right.
You're gonna attract what yourenergy is and that's why, when
she is not in that space of Idon't want to be low vibration.
You're gonna be around peoplewho are, and so if you are
dating the same people, it'sbecause we haven't changed, we
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haven't really peeled and openedup and fixed some of those
things, and we just take it tothe next relationship and expect
the next person to deal, and,to your point, we may get a
little bit better, like, oh, hedressed nicer, oh, he got a
little more money, but inessence it's the same
relationship.
And I know, you know, I justwent through that phase of
(19:29):
saying that old me has died, youknow, and I've had some healthy
relationships finally, but theystill weren't, you know, great,
you know.
But in looking back on what Ihad, they were better.
So I'm like I'm doing good andso that's where I think we have
to focus on us and that energy,and I will.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
I'm waiting for the book with, I'm waiting for the
motivation we're gonna make sureit's on your schedule to get
some authors in some of thosechapters written absolutely well
in this book.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Um, we've talked about you know what it means but
what's the plot twist in it?
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Ooh, plot twist, ooh, okay.
Well, I would say just what'scoming from the top of my brain,
because I always like to gowith intuitively.
And the plot twist is mefinding love, me finding stable,
secure love in another woman.
That was never in at theforefront of my mind.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
Never dated women historically.
But I got to a space where youknow I had put down all my
character.
You know they say make yourlist, made the list, prayed on
it for years and years and I wasfinally in a phase, through the
pandemic, where I'm just likeI'm going to be respected, I'm
going to enjoy life.
I'm not going to gonna hold offand wait, like waiting for it
(20:45):
to come, I'm just gonna livelife and when it's the right
time, that person will find meand literally met my fiance,
like out at brunch for mybirthday and um with a group of
friends, not ever thinking it'sgoing to be a woman, but Like
the comfort I felt when she cameover to approach me was just
like at home and like peaceful,and there was a depth to our
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conversation early.
It wasn't just like what areyou doing?
Like that text of where you atyeah.
I was like, oh, okay, it waslike you know, it was very deep.
And I noticed that because Ihave been on a lot of dates and
I'm like this is so superficialand so I felt it.
This is so superficial.
And so I felt it right away thefirst week, love it, and I just
leaned into it.
I was like I don't know whatthis means, I'm not sure, but I
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had enough security and Itrusted myself enough to know
that I had to take the leapbecause I felt so comfortable
and I felt so alignedenergetically with her.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Yeah, that's a good plot twist.
Yeah, I like it.
Yeah, and congratulations.
Thank you, congratulations,thank you.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Almost four years now , so that's my longest
relationship.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
I need to get out more and go branching, go
branching.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Well, I like that you are leaning into letting the
energy you feel lead you right,because so many times we focus
on what the world thinks we'resupposed to have our family, our
co-workers, you know, even justthe fact that you're supposed
to be with somebody who says,right, you can't be happy single
.
And so I love that your energyis guiding you to find love, to
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find what's naturally for you.
And so that's where I'm saying,as a team, we're going to have
to open up and see what thetwerking is that need to happen,
because you attract, you know.
And so I hear her saying thatearly on, y'all felt it,
everything was firing, and soyou know, now being able to
embrace that I'm sure it's aplot twist and having to then go
(22:45):
into your family and friendsand say, you know, surprise,
surprise, surprise, surprise youknow, and they're like wait
what?
Speaker 4 (22:55):
You know we'll see Right.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
That's what I have a best friend at home and she went
through the same thing thesharing with her family and she
was married.
You know she has two kids andso they felt the same way.
Oh, she'll get over it soon andshe's like no, we're getting
married.
You know, it was very seriousfor her.
Now they've embraced and loveher partner we all do, you know.
But I think that moment waswhat's happening.
(23:22):
She'll get through this phase.
It's a phase.
But I also want to saycongratulations.
I've known and.
I've just.
It just gives me, you know,good hope and and I love the
energy that you get to carryfrom all that happiness and
having a partner and you lookhappy yes, talking about it over
there, like she pregnant, Iknow what's not pregnant.
(23:43):
I mean the glow, not the glow.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
I just wait for the invite.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Yeah, you might have to catch us on vacation because
we're like we'll do somethingsuper small and then we want to
go maybe to Europe or?
Speaker 2 (23:56):
overseas for a couple weeks.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
Love that.
Yeah, but I love what you saidabout energy.
Like that's what I'm doing inall aspects of life now, just
letting the energy guide me tomy next opportunity.
Yeah, I don't chase, I attract.
Like you know, I'm no longer inthat state of mind of like I
gotta like make it happen formyself you have to have some
activity, some action, but youdon't have to chase
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opportunities that are meant foryou.
That's what, what I learned.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
I love that and it's true.
You know, even when it comes tomoney, don't chase the money,
chase your passion and it'llcome.
And so when we're exerting ourenergy in those positive things,
you create and you attractsomething bigger and better.
So I love that.
So we believe all leaders arereaders, but not all readers are
leaders.
(24:43):
What book would you recommendto our audience and why?
Speaker 4 (24:49):
I would recommend.
Okay, so I have to pick justone.
You can recommend more than one, okay, because my initial
thought so one that I reallyhave enjoyed was the Alchemist,
and it's really about being onthis journey to purpose of you
know, this young man going on ajourney to find this treasure
and for him to have a fullcircle moment where he literally
(25:11):
ends up back home and that'swhere the treasure was.
So, you know, just growing somuch on the journey and really
not being about the destinationbut being about the skill set,
the experiences you have alongthe way.
And then blue Blue ZonesChallenge is one that I've
really been enjoying and isstill connected to the idea of
(25:31):
purpose.
So there's this man that lookedat different communities across
the world to see thecommunities where people average
they live an average of 100years and he looked for the
commonalities amongst us.
I think it's seven communitiesand look for you know, what are
the central things they have incommon, and one of the common
(25:52):
things was purpose, like notjust knowing their purpose but
waking up every day and havingsome reflection on it, yeah, and
living in it and finding thatalignment in every task they do,
even if it's like gardening orsomething that's more physical
labor, but them connecting thatto their purpose, and I just
thought that was so powerfulbecause I think that's why a lot
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of us are so disconnected.
in the work we're doing we can'tfind any connection to our why,
our North Star or our purpose.
So those are two.
I think from a leadershipperspective are major, because
if you're going through atransition or in a work
environment that's not ideal atthe moment, you still have to be
able to at least get throughthat situation.
(26:35):
And being able to stayconnected to your why I think is
going to be essential for thosetransitions.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
That's so good, whitney.
I can't wait to get those bookreferences or referrals from you
.
We'll make sure we put them inthe link too, for the audience.
So good, it's about thatpurpose right.
And so that helped them livelonger.
You over here preaching so much, I almost said.
I say you know it sounded sogood because I think so many
(27:03):
people live in the rat race.
I get up, I go to work, I comeback home, I go to bed, you know
, and you start over, but youreally aren't enjoying the
experience, you aren't presentwith the journey and you're just
trying to get through it.
And you don't realize you'rejust your life is just going by
you.
You won't get that time back.
Life is just going by you.
(27:23):
You won't get that time back.
And I think when we one haveour purpose and have it top of
mind, you do, you enjoy the days.
It can be, a rough day, but youknow that your purpose is
bigger than this day, so goodstuff.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
I agree.
I think it leads to a lot ofthe dissatisfaction and the
hopelessness that you know a lotof people have, the
hopelessness that you know a lotof people have, especially when
you see, like you know, suiciderates have increased and some
of the other um, you know,addictions and disorders.
It's because of losing thatNorth star.
Waking up and understandingwhat that purpose is and, you
(27:57):
know, moving towards it andtrying to figure out why your
current state is what it is,cause it requires some shadow
work sometimes.
You, you know you have to go anddig deep and figure out what
roles you played in in thecircumstance and situation that
you're in.
But once you get through that,then you get to be where you
know you can enjoy the journeyand you can figure out where the
(28:18):
focus is, even in the middle ofa bad day, still being grateful
, right and being aligned, andthen also knowing, when you fall
off, that it's you know.
It's up to you to restart andyou can restart.
So I definitely love that.
I love that I'm going to getthese books.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Me too.
I can't wait, I can't wait.
So this has been a greatdiscussion.
Will you tell everybody wherethey can find you on social
media?
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Yeah, absolutely where they can find you on
social media.
Yeah, absolutely so.
I have multiple Instagramaccounts, but I say the central
one can just bewhitneymharveyesq, because that
will connect to the self-coachlawyer and Gen 38.
And then I'm on LinkedIn aswell.
So you know, we like to stayconnected on LinkedIn.
I like to show out on there aswell.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Yes, so, yeah, look for me on LinkedIn Awesome.
Well, thank you for joining theshow.
We really enjoyed you beinghere and I've learned a lot more
.
I feel like every time I meetyou, I learn more and more and
more, so we appreciate youshowing up for us here today.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
Thank you Thanks so much for having me.
It's always a pleasure with youtoo.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Absolutely Well, once again, I'm Shatima.
I am the CEO of Procure TalentManagement Group and the Vice
President of Membership andProfessional Development with
BHRS.
You can find PTMG on LinkedIn,Facebook and Instagram.
Our website isprocuretmgroupcom.
Always forget that and you canalso contact me for the podcast
(29:43):
at Shatima.
We want to talk about it, Allright.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
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If you want to be a sponsor orguest on the show, you can email
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we do.
We absolutely appreciate youjoining us today and hopefully
you'll come back next time.
Thank you so much.
Thank you, hopefully you'llcome back next time.
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Thank you.
Thank you for tuning into let'sTalk About it the podcast.
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inspiration in the stories andexperiences shared.
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