October 4, 2025 • 49 mins
We read Jessica’s letter about a locked VR headset, a hidden camera, and a shocking reveal involving her identical twin. We unpack jealousy, boundaries, and what counts as betrayal when the line between real and virtual blurs.
• VR secrecy and the emotional impact on trust
• Setting adult routines instead of adolescent habits
• Is virtual intimacy with a known person betrayal
• How comparison to a sibling fuels resentment
• Concrete boundaries for tech, time and money
• Private, calm conversations that seek clarity
• Protecting the family while avoiding public shaming
• Rebuilding connection with small, repeatable rituals
• Choosing personal goals that reduce envy
• When to seek neutral third‑party support
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SPEAKER_00 (03:54):
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
SPEAKER_01 (04:04):
How's everybody doing out there?
We are now live on TikTok.
We'll see how this goes.
But for those who are gettingready to tune in, I am the icon.
This is the show called Let'sTalk About It.
(04:24):
Here will we read off lettersthat we usually get from Oh, hey
mom.
Letters that we get from justpeople, you know, average people
that uh, you know, want someadvice or want some advice or
opinions on the matter, youknow, nothing big, nothing, you
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know, nothing, nothing I can'thandle, you know, but it's good.
It's all good.
So uh the name of the show iscalled Let's Talk About It.
I am the icon, and basicallywhat this is is just uh
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something I'm gonna trydifferent, something do
something different.
So um we'll get into it, but forthe most part, uh it's fun.
I like doing it, it's uh justsomething I like doing on uh
when I have downtime.
So I'm not a licensed therapist,I'm not I'm just somebody that
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likes to give advice.
So and I realize that peopledon't always like what I say, or
I don't always don't have theright answer, and I'm completely
fine with that, you know.
I just do this for fun, and if Ican help somebody, then I can.
Um, the links are what I'mworking on currently right now,
(05:53):
um, but my show can be streamedanywhere that you listen to
podcasts, whether it is uh onAmazon or i iTunes or wherever
you can listen to a podcast.
So in any event, feel free todrop me a line, or if you have
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any questions, comments, orgripes, complaints you simply do
or you don't like the show, hey,it's all good.
No worries.
But in any event, we're gonnaget into it.
We are going to uh get into thisletter that um Miss Jessica has
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sent me.
And keep in mind when I readthese letters, uh the people
they do give me their first andlast names, they do send
pictures, but I don't generallyshare the pictures with the
public because you know somepeople like to remain anonymous,
some people like to remainanonymous, and I don't really
want no drama or no flack orthis shit coming back on me or
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saying, oh well, he did this, hedid that.
But no, no.
So, in any event, we're gonnaget right into this letter.
Hopefully, uh we can give MissJessica some closure.
I gotta say, when I read thisletter, I thought, what the hell
is this?
This is uh, oh my god.
But it's all good.
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So without further ado, let'sget into this letter.
This letter is titled My VR asin virtual reality.
So here we go.
Icon.
Hello, my name is Jessica.
I just need some advice.
I feel like life is just goingdownhill for me.
I can't seem to keep my headabove water, and it seems that
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I'm just drowning.
I'm married for two years and wehave four kids.
My husband is an idiot.
It's like he's obsessed with hisVR, and he pays more attention
to the VR than he does me and mykids.
And the funny thing is, he'salways alone when he's on it.
Okay, red flag there.
He keeps this thing locked uptight like an animal in a zoo.
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He also has a combination lockon it, like it's money and a
safe.
That's that's kind of absurd.
I ask him about it, and it'slike it's his time away from
home.
And I'm like, what the WTO?
What does that even mean?
I asked him, can I play or seewhat the big deal is?
And he threw a whole man childfit, throwing his hands up,
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yelling like he's a freaking kidin a toy store.
I mean, he was he was really inhis damn feelings about this
thing.
Icon, what the hell is thisabout?
So you know what?
I decided to do someinvestigating as well as you
should, because that's what mostwomen do when they spot a
problem.
They kind of put on theirdetective detective gear and
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then they kinda start going intodetective mode.
But let's finish this letter.
This is what I did.
I have no shame.
I planned a night for me and myhusband, and I mean, it's what
we needed.
He came home Friday from workafternoon.
I prepared his favorite meal.
His favorite meal is dynonuggets and mac and cheese with
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the side Hawaiian punch.
You know, I can't make this shitup.
These are actual letters thatpeople send to me, and I read
them in their entirety.
So, yes, we're talking about anadult who has a favorite meal,
dino nuggets, mac and cheesewith the side Hawaiian punch.
I mean, you talking like thisshit is a five-star dining
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restaurant.
Whatever.
Then for dessert, he had hisfavorite Rice Krispie treats
made from fresh.
This is the bad thing aboutreading these letters because I
sometimes can't get them withoutlaughing because I'm actually
picturing this as I'm readingit.
This guy is coming home fromwork, and his favorite meal is
Dino Nuggets with mac andcheese.
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That's something.
Oh, you know what?
Let's just keep it going.
Let's keep it going.
So after that, needs to say Igave him a bath.
Gave him a bath.
What is this?
And put some candles around thetub with his favorite bubble
bath.
You know, this just gets betterand better.
And for those few hours, I feltlike things were going well.
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Because I understand that wehave four kids, and maybe he
just needs to relax.
Okay.
So all is well, so I thought,because we went into the room
and his dumbass proceeded to geton his VR, and I went, and I was
like, what the hell are youdoing?
He said he needed to check hisemail.
Okay.
I thought he was going to laydown some.
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Okay, hold on.
I'll get it together.
I thought he was gonna lay downsome pipe.
Instead, I told him I was goingto the store.
Okay, for y'all don't know wholay down a pipe is.
I mean, we're not gonna go toofar into that, but you know what
it is.
You know what it is.
I was going to the store, I waspissed.
But little does he know, Iinstalled a mini hidden camera
in our bedroom that I got fromAmazon 1999 plus tax, which came
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up to$22.31.
You know, the fact that you hadto go ahead and throw that in
there after tax is ridiculous.
And you can put Amazon 1999.
It was delivered to my mom'shouse because we all live in
like the same mobile home park.
Now it's starting to make sense.
Okay.
Icon, his ass was cooked.
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So upon the setup, I knew thathis dumbass would take the bait.
So I finally figured out whatwas happening.
He's been chatting with someoneuh the trailer park.
Oh my gosh.
He's been chatting with sometrailer park trash named Jenny.
Oh boy.
Plot thickens.
But he was doing something withthe VR that he sure in the hell
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wasn't doing with me.
I mean, I watched the whole damnthing on camera that this
dumbass thought I was gone.
I was just outside my carbecause I couldn't go too far
because then the Wi-Fi wouldlose signal.
You know what?
The fact that you gotta keepexplaining this is just
ridiculous.
Anyways, okay.
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Whatever she did to him knockedhis ass out so bad that he left
the VR on his head and he sleepslike a bear in hibernation.
So that was my chance.
I mean, you could literally beathis ass while he's sleeping and
he wouldn't know it.
I put on the VR set, and it wason this site called VR Porn.
But when I checked the site,it's rated one of the best, and
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one of the girls.
It's rated one of the best.
This is not my words, these areher words.
It's rated one of the best, andthe girl Jenny was still alive,
and it was like I was there inthe damn room.
What the hell?
I immediately smacked him, butas I said, he couldn't feel a
damn thing.
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But he's in bear mode, so youknow.
You know what, Icon?
I left him.
I went to my mom's trailer,which is five trailers over.
That is not good.
I think I need advice because Ithink I should leave him because
he's cheating on me with Jenny.
I almost went to Jenny's trailerpark, which is eight trailers
down from mine.
But she is the woman uh you lookfor when your dog goes away goes
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astray from home.
That's fast.
We call her Jenny from the park.
Not Jenny from the block, butJenny from the park.
But it wasn't her.
This Jenny.
A y'all ready for this?
This Jenny was her damn was mydamn twin sister.
So I was even more mad becauseafter having seen her since she
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left home, and she's doing waybetter than me.
I'm not sure how that's that'srelevant, but whatever.
I mean, Icon, she has adouble-wide three-bedroom, a
master suite that looks likesomething out of a Holiday and
Express.
Jesus, I really gotta.
I wonder how much she's makingbecause my life is not what I
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want, and she's living a waybetter better life than me.
And what I want.
So, Icon, do you have any adviceon how I can get like my twin
sister?
The fact of the matter is, thisletter is ridiculous.
You feel me?
This letter is just oh my god.
Um, it's just so much to unpackhere.
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Oh my gosh, it's just so much tounpack here.
Um, but we're gonna get into itthough.
Let me get ahead of this vape.
You know, I got I gotta hit thisvape.
You know, I got my T.
I always keep my T on standby.
So the fact of the matter isthat you're more concerned about
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your sister's well-being thanyour husband's well-being.
The fact that he was on a VRsite that your sister, your twin
sister to be exact, is currentlyon.
Now, before I get into thequestions that I had for um for
Jenny, I mean for Jessica,because her twin sister is
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Jenny.
So before I get into thequestions, I do have to say she
sent me a picture of her, hertwin sister, and her husband.
Nice looking family.
Okay, trailer park has nothingto do with it.
I don't really think that's abig deal to me.
I mean, it's it's what it is.
I lived in a trailer park.
Wasn't that kind of specifictrailer park, but I lived in a
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trailer park.
So I emailed Miss Jessica back.
Jessica from West Virginia.
So I asked some questions forher and she responded.
I asked how old her and herboyfriend was.
Um, she's 23 and he's 24.
I asked, how long have you knownyour known your husband?
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She said they've known eachother since they were kids.
And this is a stupid question,even though it was already
answered.
I said, You live in a trailerpark?
She said yes.
And I said, the same trailerpark from when you were little,
yes.
And I asked, how much of yourfamily lives in the same trailer
park?
She has mom, dad, two aunts,three cousins, and an uncle.
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I also asked, how long has yourtwin been gone from home?
She said it's been one year.
I also asked, Did she see hertwin sister?
She said yes.
She visits our parents andbrings gifts for the kids around
the holidays, and then we talkon the phone.
So not too bad of arelationship, but you know, a
little bit weird.
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I said, I assume you guys areboth close because you're
identical twins.
She says, Yes, she's the oldestby 45 seconds, and yes, they are
close.
And I said, Are you mad at yourhusband and have you talked to
him about this?
She shared with me, yes and no.
And I asked, What does she meantby that?
Well, she often warned about himand my sister's relationship,
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but he said that he loves memore, that that I can do things
that she can't do.
And he, okay, let me stop righthere.
Because here's the weird thing.
I don't get none of this.
If they're twins and they'reidentical, and they're clearly
in this picture, they areidentical.
I don't understand this.
I don't, I don't get it.
Um, they're clearly identicaltwins.
So we're gonna get more intothat, but if she can do things
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that uh I don't know, it's it'sjust a red flag to me.
It's just all so so blurry, soso weird, so what the hell is
this?
I mean, the fact that y'all livein a trailer park and this has
got to be a small town becauseI've yet to encounter anything
like this.
So I asked her, is this a paidsite?
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She didn't understand what thatwas.
So I took the liberty of lookingthe site up, which is what I
said before, VR porn.
It is a virtual porn websitethat you go to have, you know,
male fantasies, and you have aVR headset that you can look
through and women, all thisother stuff.
Yes, I was on the site for wellover 12 hours.
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So what?
I had to do some investigationwork.
Yeah, I know how this works.
Nah, just juggle.
Hey, like, bro, 12 hours is abit too much.
Yeah, it is, it really is.
In any event, it's a paid site,so it's like any other site that
you're paid through that youokay.
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We're all adults here.
So if you go on these sites andit's a paid site, you know you
use tokens.
So that's how these women maketheir money.
You're paying in tokens.
Yes, it's your money, but apercentage of the they get the
tokens and a percentage of salesor whatever revenue that they
get goes to them.
So, yeah, it's not like we don'tknow.
So, and I said, Oh, now thething that got me was about the
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dino nuggets and mac and cheese.
And I said, Well, do you alwayscook like this for your husband?
And she said, No, we havesliders and fish sticks, which
is even more worse.
Damn.
Holy crap.
In any event, so I asked her, isher sister single?
Not for my FYI, let's not get ittwisted.
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So, whatever.
But um, her sister is single.
No, I will not share thepicture, so you guys can be
like, what does she look like?
I need we need to see thepicture.
No, you do not.
And I said, Does she have kids?
She does not have kids.
And then I asked the questionbecause they're twins.
And I said, Well, were you guyspretty popular in high school?
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And she said yes.
Uh she would say yes becausethey're the only twins in high
school.
So clearly, this led me tobelieve is that this is a small
town.
Now, it's a small town.
Um, if they're if you're theonly twins in one high school,
it's definitely a small town.
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Now, this is where I kind ofthought that I don't know how I
can help this young lady besidesto, I don't know, because I
don't understand what I canoffer her in terms of advice,
but I can try to help her outbecause what she didn't say is
that her and her uh husband orwere full or the husband wasn't
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fooling around with the twinsister.
But this is probably playingdevil's advocate, and I'll
probably take the heat on thatbecause if she's gonna listen to
this, I'm pretty sure she'sgonna have some choice words
from me.
And my listeners, if you'refeeling the same way, I don't
know.
But hear me out.
Hear me out.
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If they're identical twins andthey look exactly alike, is it
really cheating on you?
I mean, is it though?
I don't know.
I mean, I don't know.
Is it if they're identicaltwins?
I mean, one's name is Jessica,one's name is Jenny, so the J's
are still in there.
I mean, they look just alike,and if I had to guess that every
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identical twin has anidentifying mark that can
separate the two of them, Ididn't ask that question.
I should have asked thatquestion, but I don't get it.
You know, you clearly um youguys have clearly been together
since you were kids.
So it's not like you guys had achance to maybe test the waters
and go out to see what's outthere.
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The fact that you are dating himand you have a twin sister is
just ridiculous in my mind.
Probably a little bit, maybe notsick, but kind of a bit of a
freakish sickest kind of fetishbecause they're identical twins.
I mean, my God, how in the hellcan you tell them apart?
I mean, I'm looking at thispicture and I'm like, you really
can't tell them apart.
I mean, they look like they'rethe same damn size, same hair,
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same everything.
Now, this is currently now, thisyear, that she sent this
picture.
So um, she didn't send me apicture when they were little,
but as of now, they look justalike.
If they were pulling a Y swap,the twin edition, you would
never know.
Holy crap, you would never know.
Because, well, then again, maybehold on, hang on, y'all gotta
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get a sip of this tea.
Hold on.
Oh, that's good tea.
That's good tea right there.
But clearly, if in fact, if itwas a wife swap edition, twins,
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this guy would not be able totell them apart.
The fact that um it's weirdbecause it's weird to me because
you're on VR and you're watchingthe twin sister, but you
actually have the real thingright next to you.
I don't understand this, I don'tget it.
Maybe it's a kind of a fetishthing because she's a twin and
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it's like what is it?
It's like you're cheating, but Idon't know because it's weird.
If you're a twin, oh you knowwhat?
I'm gonna try to make some senseof this.
Hang on.
Married for two years, you havefour kids together.
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Clearly, I don't think that yourlife, I think your life is going
the way you want it, but I thinkyou want better.
And I think the only reason whyyou want better is because
you've seen that your twinsister is doing a lot better
than you.
But here's the thing I get thefeeling that you were more
popular than she was, but that'sprobably not a fair comparison
considering the fact that you'retwins.
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In my opinion, there's always atwins that is more outgoing, the
other one is shy, but kind ofbacks up the other twin because
they have this twin vibe going.
So I think that you were morepopular than her, even though
they that you guys areidentical.
I think you guys did everythingtogether.
I think you guys had a lot offriends.
That being said, I think youwanted to come out on top on
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everything.
And I mean that in afiguratively speaking, not in a
literal sense, but I think thatyou wanted to be on top of
everything.
I think that you were the firstone out, so you had the
boyfriend.
I think that's another questionI should have asked.
I should have asked if he wasinto the twin sister or if he
made the right choice by goingor marrying this sister, but I
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guess we'll never know.
In any event, I think that youwanted this life in that your
twin sister went off to go havea ridiculous life because she's
making money, and you now saidshe's in a double wide with
three bedrooms and a mastersuite that is out of the Holiday
and Express.
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I've never stayed in a Holidayand Express, so I have no idea
what the hell an express suitein a Holiday Express looks like.
In any event, you guys need toget out some more.
I mean, damn, it's just it's alot to unpack in this letter.
Um, my first suggestion with youis that you need to level up and
boss up.
Cooking a man dino nuggets andmac and cheese, that might be a
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red flag or an indication to saythat I don't know if I want
something better or if I'm goingto stay in this relationship.
Now, it's crazy because Iunderstand that a grown man can
have dino nuggets and mac andcheese, but you said that was
his favorite meal.
Clearly, if you've never cookednothing else and put your foot
into it or put your heart andsoul into a food and into food.
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Now, I think that you shouldswitch it up a little bit.
I think you should try somethingdifferent.
Maybe try some grown-up mealsand not kids' meals.
Maybe um not draw him a bubblebath, but maybe you two get in
the shower and let things go aswhat happens in the shower stays
in the shower.
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Because clearly, I think youguys are are living in a teenage
man-child or man-woman orteenage couple world.
I've never heard of this.
And I've seen some shit in myday, but I've never heard of
this.
And then the dasty, you said youhave um fish sticks and sliders.
I mean, I don't understand.
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It doesn't say uh maybe I missedit.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
It doesn't say if you work ornot.
I didn't ask that question.
So I don't know if you work ornot, but judging by the kids
that you have, which I'massuming is still pretty young,
um, because you're 23 and he's24.
So um clearly there was ateenage pregnancy.
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Not knocking it, not uh beingdisrespectful to you, but you
guys are living where you'reliving, and I think you have no
connection to the outside world.
And I'm starting to think thatin a trailer park, it is its own
world.
Because and the reason why I saythat, because in a trailer park,
everybody knows somebody.
It's like a small town.
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It's like a small town,everybody knows everybody's
business, everybody knows whothe go-to person is, and it
seems like there's no other lifeoutside of the trailer park
because everything happens inthe trailer park.
Now, I'm not knocking anybodywho stayed in the trailer park
because I stayed in the trailerpark, but I didn't really stay
in uh that kind of trailer park.
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So I think um my reasoning isthis I think you should grow up
a little bit.
Um, I think you should maybe ifyour parents are up to helping
you get in contact with somegrown-up things or do some
grown-up things.
I don't know.
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I'm just saying this justdoesn't make any sense to me.
So, what I would first encourageyou to do is maybe try something
different.
When I say try somethingdifferent, uh maybe get into
some cookbooks.
If you are on the internet, likeI think you are because you're a
young adult, then I wouldprobably get on TikTok or
Instagram, whatever is the hellyou get on, and then I would
probably suggest that you getinto some cooking some different
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dishes.
Because if you can cook thesedifferent dishes, maybe there's
a way that you and your husbandcan survive whatever the hell
this is because I don't knowwhat this is.
I don't know what the hell'sgoing on.
It just sounds so ridiculousthat it's like your teenager
still and you guys fully haven'tgrown up.
Um he's on the game or he's onhis VR.
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Um, you are kind of figure outwhat's going to happen to your
relationship.
Well, I can tell you what youshould what you should do.
I think you should change tochange things up a little bit.
And when I say change things up,um come out of this shell that
you're still in high school andcome into the world called an
adulthood.
When you come into the world ofadulthood, then things start to
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happen.
Um I understand after highschool, I think a lot of us feel
a certain way that we have togrow up.
Uh no, that we don't let merephrase that.
I think after high school, whenwe come out of high school,
because I experienced this too,I was not ready to leave high
school.
And I wasn't ready to leavebecause of the friends and the
environment, the teachers, andit kind of made you feel like,
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yes, everything was good and itwas going to be all good.
But the minute after yougraduate, um, things change.
Um, adulthood starts to set in,um, the world starts to change,
you start looking at thingsdifferently, and you start
trying to figure out which wayis up and which way is down.
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And even though we have thesupport of our parents and the
support of friends, well, it'shard just to say, well, I'm not
ready to be out of high schoolyet.
But it's all part of life, it'sall part of growing up.
You know, I often tell my kids,don't grow up too quick.
You know, enjoy your years ofhigh school, enjoy your fun.
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Because when you grow up tooquick, and I think when it
starts as if you become pregnantat such a young age, because
sometimes you have to grow upquick.
I mean, not all the times, butsometimes.
So, my suggestion is you gottachange your whole dynamic.
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Now, you talking about you wantwhat your twin sister has.
I don't know respectfully if youcan have that because you have
four kids.
Now, you're Your twin sister, onthe other hand, doesn't have a
boyfriend.
She doesn't have kids.
So, in my opinion, I would sayshe's living her butt her best
life.
And I'm not trying to rub thatin your face.
I'm not trying to put you downand say, well, um, you should
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get like her.
No, you guys are twins, but youboth have an individual life.
And that life is you go do youand she does her.
Now, the only good thing iscoming out of this letter is
that you guys haven't said thatuh your husband has made a move
on the twin sister.
I mean, I'm not honestly surehow you could do that, but and
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you said that he that you dothings that she doesn't do.
So I guess I'm kind of stillconfused because in my mind, and
again, this is just my opinion.
I can't really say that he'scheating because he's not really
doing anything physical withher.
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And I don't know what a screenname is, and you didn't say if
they talk or if they chat on theside.
I mean, clearly, I don't thinkthat's the case, but if you
think that's the case, then whatscience director look for is
that if they act a certain wayaround each other, if when she
comes over for the holidaydinners and she doesn't speak to
him, but um well no, if shespeaks to him and it's kind of
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in a a more like a flirtatioustone, whatever that may be.
But if she comes over and shegreets him and says, hi, hey,
how you doing, this and theother, and then goes on about
her business, I don't reallythink there's nothing there.
I don't.
I'm not sure what this kind offetish is, um, because he has
the real thing at home, which isyou, but then he's also
fascinated with the twin sister,which I don't get what that is,
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because you guys clearly lookalike.
So I don't know.
I mean, I would say you can bemad at him for doing it and
probably approach him on it, butI wouldn't let this get out of
hand.
I would probably try to makesome sense of it and understand
why he's doing the things thathe's doing.
So I would challenge you to youguys need to both talk.
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And for the love of God, pleaseget out of the damn house and
not serve this man kids' food.
Because that shit is what youshould feed to your kids, which
I'm sure if I'm thinking aboutthis correctly, y'all all had
the same damn thing, and yourkids probably went bonkers over
and he may have gone crazier,may not.
You know, I actually want tohear from your husband.
(32:32):
I mean, you're more than welcometo play this back for him.
Maybe he can talk to me and orsend me a letter.
And I mean, I'm just not wantingto know the facts or logistics
about the relationships, but I'mjust trying to figure out what
is your guys' life?
Does he think he made the rightdecision by marrying you?
(32:54):
I would ask that questionrespectfully.
Um I honestly don't see thisthough.
But like I said in thebeginning, you're more mad at
him.
Um I mean, you're more mad ather because of her lifestyle,
and that's the lifestyle thatyou don't have.
And I don't understand why thatis.
(33:15):
Because the lifestyle that youhave is a good life.
You have a family.
Now, yes, I know sometimes kidscan be overwhelming, especially
if they're young, and you havefour.
But judging by this picture, I'massuming this picture was after
the fact that you had four kidsbecause I'll be damned.
You guys look good.
You look good, the husband ishandsome.
(33:36):
I don't even see where the kidscome into play at.
So if this is a more recentphoto of you, then kudos to both
because judging by me, it lookslike it is.
But in any event, I think youneed to put things in
perspective for yourself.
I think that sometimes the lifethat we want, we can't always
have.
I mean, honestly, what are yougonna do?
(33:58):
Desert um your children and yourhusband and go to this life and
try to be with this life with umthat your twin sister has?
What what what are you gonna dothere?
You're gonna leave your twin,your kids to be raised by your
husband, and then you're gonnabe often thinking about, well,
did I make the right choice?
Hell no, you didn't make theright choice.
(34:19):
You left four kids and ahusband.
So sometimes in life we can'talways get what we want.
Sometimes in life, we have toendure what life is, and we have
to go through some things.
Now, as I said before, youstarted out in this journey, you
had one kid.
You didn't stop at one, you hadfour.
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So I clearly think that you werein a place to say that I don't
know if you're in competitionwith your twin, which I wouldn't
be, or if you're in acompetition with whoever, I
don't know.
But I think you should um, Ithink you both should go out.
I think you guys should go out,have a nice dinner, something
that involves a kid's meal,maybe pass McDonald's and past
(35:00):
Sonic, and maybe just find arestaurant.
You say you're in West Virginia,I'm pretty sure West Virginia
has some good restaurants there.
I think you two should talk itout, and I think you guys should
just think about what your lifeis going to be and how you can
not really come back from this,because I don't think you're not
coming back from it.
I think the fact is just that umyou're just dealing with
(35:23):
something, you maybe you're likegoing through like a mental,
maybe a mental crisis.
I'm not sure.
I'm not sure.
But I don't think you shouldbase your life off your twin
sister's life because that life,you never know.
You may not be up for that life,and she might be up for that
life.
So if the life is good for her,but who's to say it's gonna be
(35:45):
good for you?
You just don't know.
You don't know, you don'tunderstand, and it could be a
good thing, it could be a badthing.
Because again, she doesn't havekids, she doesn't have a
boyfriend, so she can do this.
So my goodness This letter wasjust something different.
(36:12):
Give me just a second here.
Okay.
So I think I think that the lifethat you have now is a good
(36:36):
life.
I think that you should juststart to evaluate how you want
to go on with your life.
And what I mean by going on, doyou want to be married?
Do you love this guy?
I mean, if you guys have beenmarried for you've been married
(36:57):
for two years, there's gotta besomething there in the four
kids.
Don't throw this all awaybecause of your jealousy of what
your sister has and what youdon't have.
You can get to the places whereyou want to be and you can get
to the things that you want todo.
You first have to just try to dowhat you want to do.
It's going to be hard becauseyou have four kids, but it's not
(37:20):
impossible.
I've seen plenty of women thathave multiple kids and that go
on to live such a bigger andbetter life, and they are very
successful.
So I don't think that you cansit back and just say, well,
that's the light that you want.
You can do anything you want byputting your mind to it.
You can do anything you want bymaybe setting up a schedule.
(37:44):
Again, I would just try to dosomething different in reference
to your relationship with yourhusband.
That's the number one thing youneed to start with.
You need to start with trying tofigure out what you and your
husband are going to do aboutyour future.
And what you guys do about yourfuture is how you can go forward
and say, well, this is how wecan be happy.
Again, I don't think it's yourtwin sister's fault because
(38:06):
she's on the site.
I think maybe your um husbandhas some kind of something to
bear on her because he's on thesite.
I mean, and I don't know, it'sprobably an outlet for men
because I understand that mensometimes get overwhelmed.
I understand that men um need anoutlet, and I get it.
In this case, men have an outletfor video games.
(38:26):
Everybody's fetish is different,everybody's things are
different.
So I hope this letter finds youin a good way.
I hope this letter is justsomething that you can just
maybe sit back and think.
And you can feel free to rewriteme again to see how things went
and how things are going.
(38:47):
Because I believe that uh afamily should always stay
together.
I mean, the good thing is aboutthis letter, you didn't say he
was cheating.
That's a good thing.
He wasn't cheating, uh, though,yes, he was looking at your twin
sister, but he wasn't physicallycheating, it's not like she was
in the room, and I get it.
When you're on VR, it makes itseem like the person's actually
(39:09):
in the room, and I get that.
But it's just an image.
So technically, she's not reallythere.
She's on Lord, on camera, Jesus,which probably makes it a lot
more worse, but I think thatyou're gonna be okay.
(39:32):
I think that once you get to aplace where you need to get to,
I think everything's gonna befine.
I think that you just gotta kindof put things in perspective and
figure out what it is that yourlife is going to be.
Once you figure that out, youcan go on to being who you need
to be.
Get with your parents, talk toyour parents.
I wouldn't let them know aboutthis thing because I don't even
know if your twin sister haseven said anything about um
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doing this or what's going onwith um this whole thing with
your twin sister.
And some parents don't want toknow.
Some parents do, some parentsdon't.
And if that's for your sister totell, not to you.
So don't go blown at the spotbecause you feel in some type of
way, or you're kind of jealous,or you're thinking like, well, I
want what she has.
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So if I can't get what she has,then she can't be happy.
So I want you to be happy.
Anderson, thank you for thefollow.
I appreciate it.
I want you to be happy, but atthe same time, I want you to
understand that destroyingsomebody else's life is not
gonna make you happy, it's justgonna send you into a downward
(40:37):
spiral.
And it's gonna, I've heard Ibelieve in karma because what
goes around comes around.
So you spend so much time tryingto work on destroying this
person's life instead of workingon your own life.
And the crazy thing is, she'syour twin sister.
She didn't do anything wrong toyou.
She's just on a video, she'smaking money, and she's making
money the way she wants to makemoney.
(40:58):
How is she to know who yourhusband is or what his handle is
online?
I don't think she knows.
Because clearly, if she didknow, I think she would probably
be inclined to uh tell you.
I would hope, since you guys areboth close, that she would do
that.
But if you if you guys get ifyou guys get together and you
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talk and she hasn't saidanything about it, and then
here's another thing.
What you didn't say in theletter was that if your husband
acts a certain way when he'swhen you're talking to your twin
sister or she's on the phone, Idon't I don't know.
I don't know.
But then again, for me, it'slike the other way around.
(41:41):
If your twin sister is acting insuch a manner that you would see
that she feels uncomfortablearound um your husband, then
maybe, but I don't know becauseit's kind of a 50-50 thing here,
and you don't really know,especially in this day and age.
But like I said, I don't thinkthis is your sister's fault.
I don't.
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I think, and the crazy thing is,I don't know how he even got to
the site.
Um, but then again, you know,when you're in VR, you try
different things, and VR justain't for virtual gaming.
You can do a lot of stuff in VR.
So, but it doesn't sound likeyour husband's cheating because
you said he comes home afterwork.
And if he comes home after workand he is happy to see you, but
(42:24):
you said he does spend, hedoesn't spend that much time
with you, but he spends moretime on the VR.
Okay, so let me back up a bit.
If he pays more attention to theVR more than he does you and the
kids, talk to him.
Find out what's going on, findout if there's something that
can be fixed.
Find out if he wants to be inthis marriage.
Find out if you want to be inthis marriage.
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I would encourage the two of youboth to just sit down without
the kids, have a nice quietevening and talk.
There's no need to blow up,there's no need to get mad.
I don't know what the answerthat he could give you that
would probably justify hisactions.
I don't honestly, I don't know.
Because it's still kind of weirdto me that you guys are twins
and that he can get on this siteand see her anytime, but he has
(43:10):
the real twin in front of himright there.
I don't understand that.
That's weird to me.
And I guess I'm never gonnaunderstand it because it's just
weird.
How do you have a twin sisterthat's on a foreign site, but he
has a twin sister that he'smarried to that lives right
there in the damn house?
I don't get that.
That's weird.
God Lee.
(43:30):
Trying to think if I need atherapy after this because shit,
it's crazy.
So, in any event, I I don'tknow, but I hope this letter
finds you in a place or thispodcast finds you in a place
that you can maybe put somethings in perspective.
I don't know.
(43:51):
This letter's I was really notprepared for this shit.
I gotta be honest with you.
I wasn't prepared for half theshit that was going on in this
letter.
The thing that most gets me isthat they're twins, and that I
don't know.
I don't know.
So, as we get ready to closethis show out, um I want to say,
(44:16):
Jessica, I hope you do the rightthing.
I hope that you find um somekind of solace, some kind of
peace, or I hope that you findsome kind of happiness.
I hope that your relationshipgets back on track.
I hope that everything's gonnabe okay.
(44:37):
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Um, I have my cams open, but Idon't have my screen in the
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I know it's a lot going on inthe background that I can or
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So every Wednesday, new episodeswill drop and they should come
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So again, I take letters thatlisteners either send to me or
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I'm not a licensed therapist, sowhether you choose to take my
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(46:29):
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You now have to have over athousand followers.
So whether I have a thousandfollowers or not, it doesn't
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But I do this because I enjoyit.
And if somebody wants to give metheir problems and I try to make
(47:14):
it better for you, hey, I can dothat.
I can at least try.
And if not, then I can't say nopoint of saying I didn't try,
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So as we get ready to wrap thisshow up, I want to thank you
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Thank you guys for tuning in tothe show.
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(47:34):
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Until next time, you guys takecare of yourself and each other.
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Yes, yes, yes, yes.
SPEAKER_01 (04:04):
How's everybody doing out there?
We are now live on TikTok.
We'll see how this goes.
But for those who are gettingready to tune in, I am the icon.
This is the show called Let'sTalk About It.
(04:24):
Here will we read off lettersthat we usually get from Oh, hey
mom.
Letters that we get from justpeople, you know, average people
that uh, you know, want someadvice or want some advice or
opinions on the matter, youknow, nothing big, nothing, you
(04:46):
know, nothing, nothing I can'thandle, you know, but it's good.
It's all good.
So uh the name of the show iscalled Let's Talk About It.
I am the icon, and basicallywhat this is is just uh
(05:06):
something I'm gonna trydifferent, something do
something different.
So um we'll get into it, but forthe most part, uh it's fun.
I like doing it, it's uh justsomething I like doing on uh
when I have downtime.
So I'm not a licensed therapist,I'm not I'm just somebody that
(05:31):
likes to give advice.
So and I realize that peopledon't always like what I say, or
I don't always don't have theright answer, and I'm completely
fine with that, you know.
I just do this for fun, and if Ican help somebody, then I can.
Um, the links are what I'mworking on currently right now,
(05:53):
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So in any event, feel free todrop me a line, or if you have
(06:16):
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or you don't like the show, hey,it's all good.
No worries.
But in any event, we're gonnaget into it.
We are going to uh get into thisletter that um Miss Jessica has
(06:39):
sent me.
And keep in mind when I readthese letters, uh the people
they do give me their first andlast names, they do send
pictures, but I don't generallyshare the pictures with the
public because you know somepeople like to remain anonymous,
some people like to remainanonymous, and I don't really
want no drama or no flack orthis shit coming back on me or
(07:00):
saying, oh well, he did this, hedid that.
But no, no.
So, in any event, we're gonnaget right into this letter.
Hopefully, uh we can give MissJessica some closure.
I gotta say, when I read thisletter, I thought, what the hell
is this?
This is uh, oh my god.
But it's all good.
(07:21):
So without further ado, let'sget into this letter.
This letter is titled My VR asin virtual reality.
So here we go.
Icon.
Hello, my name is Jessica.
I just need some advice.
I feel like life is just goingdownhill for me.
I can't seem to keep my headabove water, and it seems that
(07:42):
I'm just drowning.
I'm married for two years and wehave four kids.
My husband is an idiot.
It's like he's obsessed with hisVR, and he pays more attention
to the VR than he does me and mykids.
And the funny thing is, he'salways alone when he's on it.
Okay, red flag there.
He keeps this thing locked uptight like an animal in a zoo.
(08:04):
He also has a combination lockon it, like it's money and a
safe.
That's that's kind of absurd.
I ask him about it, and it'slike it's his time away from
home.
And I'm like, what the WTO?
What does that even mean?
I asked him, can I play or seewhat the big deal is?
And he threw a whole man childfit, throwing his hands up,
(08:25):
yelling like he's a freaking kidin a toy store.
I mean, he was he was really inhis damn feelings about this
thing.
Icon, what the hell is thisabout?
So you know what?
I decided to do someinvestigating as well as you
should, because that's what mostwomen do when they spot a
problem.
They kind of put on theirdetective detective gear and
(08:45):
then they kinda start going intodetective mode.
But let's finish this letter.
This is what I did.
I have no shame.
I planned a night for me and myhusband, and I mean, it's what
we needed.
He came home Friday from workafternoon.
I prepared his favorite meal.
His favorite meal is dynonuggets and mac and cheese with
(09:08):
the side Hawaiian punch.
You know, I can't make this shitup.
These are actual letters thatpeople send to me, and I read
them in their entirety.
So, yes, we're talking about anadult who has a favorite meal,
dino nuggets, mac and cheesewith the side Hawaiian punch.
I mean, you talking like thisshit is a five-star dining
(09:29):
restaurant.
Whatever.
Then for dessert, he had hisfavorite Rice Krispie treats
made from fresh.
This is the bad thing aboutreading these letters because I
sometimes can't get them withoutlaughing because I'm actually
picturing this as I'm readingit.
This guy is coming home fromwork, and his favorite meal is
Dino Nuggets with mac andcheese.
(09:50):
That's something.
Oh, you know what?
Let's just keep it going.
Let's keep it going.
So after that, needs to say Igave him a bath.
Gave him a bath.
What is this?
And put some candles around thetub with his favorite bubble
bath.
You know, this just gets betterand better.
And for those few hours, I feltlike things were going well.
(10:12):
Because I understand that wehave four kids, and maybe he
just needs to relax.
Okay.
So all is well, so I thought,because we went into the room
and his dumbass proceeded to geton his VR, and I went, and I was
like, what the hell are youdoing?
He said he needed to check hisemail.
Okay.
I thought he was going to laydown some.
(10:35):
Okay, hold on.
I'll get it together.
I thought he was gonna lay downsome pipe.
Instead, I told him I was goingto the store.
Okay, for y'all don't know wholay down a pipe is.
I mean, we're not gonna go toofar into that, but you know what
it is.
You know what it is.
I was going to the store, I waspissed.
But little does he know, Iinstalled a mini hidden camera
in our bedroom that I got fromAmazon 1999 plus tax, which came
(10:56):
up to$22.31.
You know, the fact that you hadto go ahead and throw that in
there after tax is ridiculous.
And you can put Amazon 1999.
It was delivered to my mom'shouse because we all live in
like the same mobile home park.
Now it's starting to make sense.
Okay.
Icon, his ass was cooked.
(11:19):
So upon the setup, I knew thathis dumbass would take the bait.
So I finally figured out whatwas happening.
He's been chatting with someoneuh the trailer park.
Oh my gosh.
He's been chatting with sometrailer park trash named Jenny.
Oh boy.
Plot thickens.
But he was doing something withthe VR that he sure in the hell
(11:40):
wasn't doing with me.
I mean, I watched the whole damnthing on camera that this
dumbass thought I was gone.
I was just outside my carbecause I couldn't go too far
because then the Wi-Fi wouldlose signal.
You know what?
The fact that you gotta keepexplaining this is just
ridiculous.
Anyways, okay.
(12:01):
Whatever she did to him knockedhis ass out so bad that he left
the VR on his head and he sleepslike a bear in hibernation.
So that was my chance.
I mean, you could literally beathis ass while he's sleeping and
he wouldn't know it.
I put on the VR set, and it wason this site called VR Porn.
But when I checked the site,it's rated one of the best, and
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one of the girls.
It's rated one of the best.
This is not my words, these areher words.
It's rated one of the best, andthe girl Jenny was still alive,
and it was like I was there inthe damn room.
What the hell?
I immediately smacked him, butas I said, he couldn't feel a
damn thing.
(12:44):
But he's in bear mode, so youknow.
You know what, Icon?
I left him.
I went to my mom's trailer,which is five trailers over.
That is not good.
I think I need advice because Ithink I should leave him because
he's cheating on me with Jenny.
I almost went to Jenny's trailerpark, which is eight trailers
down from mine.
But she is the woman uh you lookfor when your dog goes away goes
(13:09):
astray from home.
That's fast.
We call her Jenny from the park.
Not Jenny from the block, butJenny from the park.
But it wasn't her.
This Jenny.
A y'all ready for this?
This Jenny was her damn was mydamn twin sister.
So I was even more mad becauseafter having seen her since she
(13:30):
left home, and she's doing waybetter than me.
I'm not sure how that's that'srelevant, but whatever.
I mean, Icon, she has adouble-wide three-bedroom, a
master suite that looks likesomething out of a Holiday and
Express.
Jesus, I really gotta.
I wonder how much she's makingbecause my life is not what I
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want, and she's living a waybetter better life than me.
And what I want.
So, Icon, do you have any adviceon how I can get like my twin
sister?
The fact of the matter is, thisletter is ridiculous.
You feel me?
This letter is just oh my god.
Um, it's just so much to unpackhere.
(14:14):
Oh my gosh, it's just so much tounpack here.
Um, but we're gonna get into itthough.
Let me get ahead of this vape.
You know, I got I gotta hit thisvape.
You know, I got my T.
I always keep my T on standby.
So the fact of the matter isthat you're more concerned about
(14:35):
your sister's well-being thanyour husband's well-being.
The fact that he was on a VRsite that your sister, your twin
sister to be exact, is currentlyon.
Now, before I get into thequestions that I had for um for
Jenny, I mean for Jessica,because her twin sister is
(14:58):
Jenny.
So before I get into thequestions, I do have to say she
sent me a picture of her, hertwin sister, and her husband.
Nice looking family.
Okay, trailer park has nothingto do with it.
I don't really think that's abig deal to me.
I mean, it's it's what it is.
I lived in a trailer park.
Wasn't that kind of specifictrailer park, but I lived in a
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trailer park.
So I emailed Miss Jessica back.
Jessica from West Virginia.
So I asked some questions forher and she responded.
I asked how old her and herboyfriend was.
Um, she's 23 and he's 24.
I asked, how long have you knownyour known your husband?
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She said they've known eachother since they were kids.
And this is a stupid question,even though it was already
answered.
I said, You live in a trailerpark?
She said yes.
And I said, the same trailerpark from when you were little,
yes.
And I asked, how much of yourfamily lives in the same trailer
park?
She has mom, dad, two aunts,three cousins, and an uncle.
(16:05):
I also asked, how long has yourtwin been gone from home?
She said it's been one year.
I also asked, Did she see hertwin sister?
She said yes.
She visits our parents andbrings gifts for the kids around
the holidays, and then we talkon the phone.
So not too bad of arelationship, but you know, a
little bit weird.
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I said, I assume you guys areboth close because you're
identical twins.
She says, Yes, she's the oldestby 45 seconds, and yes, they are
close.
And I said, Are you mad at yourhusband and have you talked to
him about this?
She shared with me, yes and no.
And I asked, What does she meantby that?
Well, she often warned about himand my sister's relationship,
(16:48):
but he said that he loves memore, that that I can do things
that she can't do.
And he, okay, let me stop righthere.
Because here's the weird thing.
I don't get none of this.
If they're twins and they'reidentical, and they're clearly
in this picture, they areidentical.
I don't understand this.
I don't, I don't get it.
Um, they're clearly identicaltwins.
So we're gonna get more intothat, but if she can do things
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that uh I don't know, it's it'sjust a red flag to me.
It's just all so so blurry, soso weird, so what the hell is
this?
I mean, the fact that y'all livein a trailer park and this has
got to be a small town becauseI've yet to encounter anything
like this.
So I asked her, is this a paidsite?
(17:34):
She didn't understand what thatwas.
So I took the liberty of lookingthe site up, which is what I
said before, VR porn.
It is a virtual porn websitethat you go to have, you know,
male fantasies, and you have aVR headset that you can look
through and women, all thisother stuff.
Yes, I was on the site for wellover 12 hours.
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So what?
I had to do some investigationwork.
Yeah, I know how this works.
Nah, just juggle.
Hey, like, bro, 12 hours is abit too much.
Yeah, it is, it really is.
In any event, it's a paid site,so it's like any other site that
you're paid through that youokay.
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We're all adults here.
So if you go on these sites andit's a paid site, you know you
use tokens.
So that's how these women maketheir money.
You're paying in tokens.
Yes, it's your money, but apercentage of the they get the
tokens and a percentage of salesor whatever revenue that they
get goes to them.
So, yeah, it's not like we don'tknow.
So, and I said, Oh, now thething that got me was about the
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dino nuggets and mac and cheese.
And I said, Well, do you alwayscook like this for your husband?
And she said, No, we havesliders and fish sticks, which
is even more worse.
Damn.
Holy crap.
In any event, so I asked her, isher sister single?
Not for my FYI, let's not get ittwisted.
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So, whatever.
But um, her sister is single.
No, I will not share thepicture, so you guys can be
like, what does she look like?
I need we need to see thepicture.
No, you do not.
And I said, Does she have kids?
She does not have kids.
And then I asked the questionbecause they're twins.
And I said, Well, were you guyspretty popular in high school?
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And she said yes.
Uh she would say yes becausethey're the only twins in high
school.
So clearly, this led me tobelieve is that this is a small
town.
Now, it's a small town.
Um, if they're if you're theonly twins in one high school,
it's definitely a small town.
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Now, this is where I kind ofthought that I don't know how I
can help this young lady besidesto, I don't know, because I
don't understand what I canoffer her in terms of advice,
but I can try to help her outbecause what she didn't say is
that her and her uh husband orwere full or the husband wasn't
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fooling around with the twinsister.
But this is probably playingdevil's advocate, and I'll
probably take the heat on thatbecause if she's gonna listen to
this, I'm pretty sure she'sgonna have some choice words
from me.
And my listeners, if you'refeeling the same way, I don't
know.
But hear me out.
Hear me out.
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If they're identical twins andthey look exactly alike, is it
really cheating on you?
I mean, is it though?
I don't know.
I mean, I don't know.
Is it if they're identicaltwins?
I mean, one's name is Jessica,one's name is Jenny, so the J's
are still in there.
I mean, they look just alike,and if I had to guess that every
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identical twin has anidentifying mark that can
separate the two of them, Ididn't ask that question.
I should have asked thatquestion, but I don't get it.
You know, you clearly um youguys have clearly been together
since you were kids.
So it's not like you guys had achance to maybe test the waters
and go out to see what's outthere.
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The fact that you are dating himand you have a twin sister is
just ridiculous in my mind.
Probably a little bit, maybe notsick, but kind of a bit of a
freakish sickest kind of fetishbecause they're identical twins.
I mean, my God, how in the hellcan you tell them apart?
I mean, I'm looking at thispicture and I'm like, you really
can't tell them apart.
I mean, they look like they'rethe same damn size, same hair,
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same everything.
Now, this is currently now, thisyear, that she sent this
picture.
So um, she didn't send me apicture when they were little,
but as of now, they look justalike.
If they were pulling a Y swap,the twin edition, you would
never know.
Holy crap, you would never know.
Because, well, then again, maybehold on, hang on, y'all gotta
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get a sip of this tea.
Hold on.
Oh, that's good tea.
That's good tea right there.
But clearly, if in fact, if itwas a wife swap edition, twins,
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this guy would not be able totell them apart.
The fact that um it's weirdbecause it's weird to me because
you're on VR and you're watchingthe twin sister, but you
actually have the real thingright next to you.
I don't understand this, I don'tget it.
Maybe it's a kind of a fetishthing because she's a twin and
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it's like what is it?
It's like you're cheating, but Idon't know because it's weird.
If you're a twin, oh you knowwhat?
I'm gonna try to make some senseof this.
Hang on.
Married for two years, you havefour kids together.
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Clearly, I don't think that yourlife, I think your life is going
the way you want it, but I thinkyou want better.
And I think the only reason whyyou want better is because
you've seen that your twinsister is doing a lot better
than you.
But here's the thing I get thefeeling that you were more
popular than she was, but that'sprobably not a fair comparison
considering the fact that you'retwins.
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In my opinion, there's always atwins that is more outgoing, the
other one is shy, but kind ofbacks up the other twin because
they have this twin vibe going.
So I think that you were morepopular than her, even though
they that you guys areidentical.
I think you guys did everythingtogether.
I think you guys had a lot offriends.
That being said, I think youwanted to come out on top on
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everything.
And I mean that in afiguratively speaking, not in a
literal sense, but I think thatyou wanted to be on top of
everything.
I think that you were the firstone out, so you had the
boyfriend.
I think that's another questionI should have asked.
I should have asked if he wasinto the twin sister or if he
made the right choice by goingor marrying this sister, but I
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guess we'll never know.
In any event, I think that youwanted this life in that your
twin sister went off to go havea ridiculous life because she's
making money, and you now saidshe's in a double wide with
three bedrooms and a mastersuite that is out of the Holiday
and Express.
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I've never stayed in a Holidayand Express, so I have no idea
what the hell an express suitein a Holiday Express looks like.
In any event, you guys need toget out some more.
I mean, damn, it's just it's alot to unpack in this letter.
Um, my first suggestion with youis that you need to level up and
boss up.
Cooking a man dino nuggets andmac and cheese, that might be a
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red flag or an indication to saythat I don't know if I want
something better or if I'm goingto stay in this relationship.
Now, it's crazy because Iunderstand that a grown man can
have dino nuggets and mac andcheese, but you said that was
his favorite meal.
Clearly, if you've never cookednothing else and put your foot
into it or put your heart andsoul into a food and into food.
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Now, I think that you shouldswitch it up a little bit.
I think you should try somethingdifferent.
Maybe try some grown-up mealsand not kids' meals.
Maybe um not draw him a bubblebath, but maybe you two get in
the shower and let things go aswhat happens in the shower stays
in the shower.
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Because clearly, I think youguys are are living in a teenage
man-child or man-woman orteenage couple world.
I've never heard of this.
And I've seen some shit in myday, but I've never heard of
this.
And then the dasty, you said youhave um fish sticks and sliders.
I mean, I don't understand.
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It doesn't say uh maybe I missedit.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
It doesn't say if you work ornot.
I didn't ask that question.
So I don't know if you work ornot, but judging by the kids
that you have, which I'massuming is still pretty young,
um, because you're 23 and he's24.
So um clearly there was ateenage pregnancy.
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Not knocking it, not uh beingdisrespectful to you, but you
guys are living where you'reliving, and I think you have no
connection to the outside world.
And I'm starting to think thatin a trailer park, it is its own
world.
Because and the reason why I saythat, because in a trailer park,
everybody knows somebody.
It's like a small town.
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It's like a small town,everybody knows everybody's
business, everybody knows whothe go-to person is, and it
seems like there's no other lifeoutside of the trailer park
because everything happens inthe trailer park.
Now, I'm not knocking anybodywho stayed in the trailer park
because I stayed in the trailerpark, but I didn't really stay
in uh that kind of trailer park.
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So I think um my reasoning isthis I think you should grow up
a little bit.
Um, I think you should maybe ifyour parents are up to helping
you get in contact with somegrown-up things or do some
grown-up things.
I don't know.
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I'm just saying this justdoesn't make any sense to me.
So, what I would first encourageyou to do is maybe try something
different.
When I say try somethingdifferent, uh maybe get into
some cookbooks.
If you are on the internet, likeI think you are because you're a
young adult, then I wouldprobably get on TikTok or
Instagram, whatever is the hellyou get on, and then I would
probably suggest that you getinto some cooking some different
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dishes.
Because if you can cook thesedifferent dishes, maybe there's
a way that you and your husbandcan survive whatever the hell
this is because I don't knowwhat this is.
I don't know what the hell'sgoing on.
It just sounds so ridiculousthat it's like your teenager
still and you guys fully haven'tgrown up.
Um he's on the game or he's onhis VR.
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Um, you are kind of figure outwhat's going to happen to your
relationship.
Well, I can tell you what youshould what you should do.
I think you should change tochange things up a little bit.
And when I say change things up,um come out of this shell that
you're still in high school andcome into the world called an
adulthood.
When you come into the world ofadulthood, then things start to
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happen.
Um I understand after highschool, I think a lot of us feel
a certain way that we have togrow up.
Uh no, that we don't let merephrase that.
I think after high school, whenwe come out of high school,
because I experienced this too,I was not ready to leave high
school.
And I wasn't ready to leavebecause of the friends and the
environment, the teachers, andit kind of made you feel like,
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yes, everything was good and itwas going to be all good.
But the minute after yougraduate, um, things change.
Um, adulthood starts to set in,um, the world starts to change,
you start looking at thingsdifferently, and you start
trying to figure out which wayis up and which way is down.
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And even though we have thesupport of our parents and the
support of friends, well, it'shard just to say, well, I'm not
ready to be out of high schoolyet.
But it's all part of life, it'sall part of growing up.
You know, I often tell my kids,don't grow up too quick.
You know, enjoy your years ofhigh school, enjoy your fun.
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Because when you grow up tooquick, and I think when it
starts as if you become pregnantat such a young age, because
sometimes you have to grow upquick.
I mean, not all the times, butsometimes.
So, my suggestion is you gottachange your whole dynamic.
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Now, you talking about you wantwhat your twin sister has.
I don't know respectfully if youcan have that because you have
four kids.
Now, you're Your twin sister, onthe other hand, doesn't have a
boyfriend.
She doesn't have kids.
So, in my opinion, I would sayshe's living her butt her best
life.
And I'm not trying to rub thatin your face.
I'm not trying to put you downand say, well, um, you should
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get like her.
No, you guys are twins, but youboth have an individual life.
And that life is you go do youand she does her.
Now, the only good thing iscoming out of this letter is
that you guys haven't said thatuh your husband has made a move
on the twin sister.
I mean, I'm not honestly surehow you could do that, but and
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you said that he that you dothings that she doesn't do.
So I guess I'm kind of stillconfused because in my mind, and
again, this is just my opinion.
I can't really say that he'scheating because he's not really
doing anything physical withher.
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And I don't know what a screenname is, and you didn't say if
they talk or if they chat on theside.
I mean, clearly, I don't thinkthat's the case, but if you
think that's the case, then whatscience director look for is
that if they act a certain wayaround each other, if when she
comes over for the holidaydinners and she doesn't speak to
him, but um well no, if shespeaks to him and it's kind of
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in a a more like a flirtatioustone, whatever that may be.
But if she comes over and shegreets him and says, hi, hey,
how you doing, this and theother, and then goes on about
her business, I don't reallythink there's nothing there.
I don't.
I'm not sure what this kind offetish is, um, because he has
the real thing at home, which isyou, but then he's also
fascinated with the twin sister,which I don't get what that is,
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because you guys clearly lookalike.
So I don't know.
I mean, I would say you can bemad at him for doing it and
probably approach him on it, butI wouldn't let this get out of
hand.
I would probably try to makesome sense of it and understand
why he's doing the things thathe's doing.
So I would challenge you to youguys need to both talk.
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And for the love of God, pleaseget out of the damn house and
not serve this man kids' food.
Because that shit is what youshould feed to your kids, which
I'm sure if I'm thinking aboutthis correctly, y'all all had
the same damn thing, and yourkids probably went bonkers over
and he may have gone crazier,may not.
You know, I actually want tohear from your husband.
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I mean, you're more than welcometo play this back for him.
Maybe he can talk to me and orsend me a letter.
And I mean, I'm just not wantingto know the facts or logistics
about the relationships, but I'mjust trying to figure out what
is your guys' life?
Does he think he made the rightdecision by marrying you?
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I would ask that questionrespectfully.
Um I honestly don't see thisthough.
But like I said in thebeginning, you're more mad at
him.
Um I mean, you're more mad ather because of her lifestyle,
and that's the lifestyle thatyou don't have.
And I don't understand why thatis.
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Because the lifestyle that youhave is a good life.
You have a family.
Now, yes, I know sometimes kidscan be overwhelming, especially
if they're young, and you havefour.
But judging by this picture, I'massuming this picture was after
the fact that you had four kidsbecause I'll be damned.
You guys look good.
You look good, the husband ishandsome.
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I don't even see where the kidscome into play at.
So if this is a more recentphoto of you, then kudos to both
because judging by me, it lookslike it is.
But in any event, I think youneed to put things in
perspective for yourself.
I think that sometimes the lifethat we want, we can't always
have.
I mean, honestly, what are yougonna do?
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Desert um your children and yourhusband and go to this life and
try to be with this life with umthat your twin sister has?
What what what are you gonna dothere?
You're gonna leave your twin,your kids to be raised by your
husband, and then you're gonnabe often thinking about, well,
did I make the right choice?
Hell no, you didn't make theright choice.
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You left four kids and ahusband.
So sometimes in life we can'talways get what we want.
Sometimes in life, we have toendure what life is, and we have
to go through some things.
Now, as I said before, youstarted out in this journey, you
had one kid.
You didn't stop at one, you hadfour.
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So I clearly think that you werein a place to say that I don't
know if you're in competitionwith your twin, which I wouldn't
be, or if you're in acompetition with whoever, I
don't know.
But I think you should um, Ithink you both should go out.
I think you guys should go out,have a nice dinner, something
that involves a kid's meal,maybe pass McDonald's and past
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Sonic, and maybe just find arestaurant.
You say you're in West Virginia,I'm pretty sure West Virginia
has some good restaurants there.
I think you two should talk itout, and I think you guys should
just think about what your lifeis going to be and how you can
not really come back from this,because I don't think you're not
coming back from it.
I think the fact is just that umyou're just dealing with
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something, you maybe you're likegoing through like a mental,
maybe a mental crisis.
I'm not sure.
I'm not sure.
But I don't think you shouldbase your life off your twin
sister's life because that life,you never know.
You may not be up for that life,and she might be up for that
life.
So if the life is good for her,but who's to say it's gonna be
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good for you?
You just don't know.
You don't know, you don'tunderstand, and it could be a
good thing, it could be a badthing.
Because again, she doesn't havekids, she doesn't have a
boyfriend, so she can do this.
So my goodness This letter wasjust something different.
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Give me just a second here.
Okay.
So I think I think that the lifethat you have now is a good
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life.
I think that you should juststart to evaluate how you want
to go on with your life.
And what I mean by going on, doyou want to be married?
Do you love this guy?
I mean, if you guys have beenmarried for you've been married
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for two years, there's gotta besomething there in the four
kids.
Don't throw this all awaybecause of your jealousy of what
your sister has and what youdon't have.
You can get to the places whereyou want to be and you can get
to the things that you want todo.
You first have to just try to dowhat you want to do.
It's going to be hard becauseyou have four kids, but it's not
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impossible.
I've seen plenty of women thathave multiple kids and that go
on to live such a bigger andbetter life, and they are very
successful.
So I don't think that you cansit back and just say, well,
that's the light that you want.
You can do anything you want byputting your mind to it.
You can do anything you want bymaybe setting up a schedule.
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Again, I would just try to dosomething different in reference
to your relationship with yourhusband.
That's the number one thing youneed to start with.
You need to start with trying tofigure out what you and your
husband are going to do aboutyour future.
And what you guys do about yourfuture is how you can go forward
and say, well, this is how wecan be happy.
Again, I don't think it's yourtwin sister's fault because
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she's on the site.
I think maybe your um husbandhas some kind of something to
bear on her because he's on thesite.
I mean, and I don't know, it'sprobably an outlet for men
because I understand that mensometimes get overwhelmed.
I understand that men um need anoutlet, and I get it.
In this case, men have an outletfor video games.
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Everybody's fetish is different,everybody's things are
different.
So I hope this letter finds youin a good way.
I hope this letter is justsomething that you can just
maybe sit back and think.
And you can feel free to rewriteme again to see how things went
and how things are going.
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Because I believe that uh afamily should always stay
together.
I mean, the good thing is aboutthis letter, you didn't say he
was cheating.
That's a good thing.
He wasn't cheating, uh, though,yes, he was looking at your twin
sister, but he wasn't physicallycheating, it's not like she was
in the room, and I get it.
When you're on VR, it makes itseem like the person's actually
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in the room, and I get that.
But it's just an image.
So technically, she's not reallythere.
She's on Lord, on camera, Jesus,which probably makes it a lot
more worse, but I think thatyou're gonna be okay.
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I think that once you get to aplace where you need to get to,
I think everything's gonna befine.
I think that you just gotta kindof put things in perspective and
figure out what it is that yourlife is going to be.
Once you figure that out, youcan go on to being who you need
to be.
Get with your parents, talk toyour parents.
I wouldn't let them know aboutthis thing because I don't even
know if your twin sister haseven said anything about um
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doing this or what's going onwith um this whole thing with
your twin sister.
And some parents don't want toknow.
Some parents do, some parentsdon't.
And if that's for your sister totell, not to you.
So don't go blown at the spotbecause you feel in some type of
way, or you're kind of jealous,or you're thinking like, well, I
want what she has.
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So if I can't get what she has,then she can't be happy.
So I want you to be happy.
Anderson, thank you for thefollow.
I appreciate it.
I want you to be happy, but atthe same time, I want you to
understand that destroyingsomebody else's life is not
gonna make you happy, it's justgonna send you into a downward
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spiral.
And it's gonna, I've heard Ibelieve in karma because what
goes around comes around.
So you spend so much time tryingto work on destroying this
person's life instead of workingon your own life.
And the crazy thing is, she'syour twin sister.
She didn't do anything wrong toyou.
She's just on a video, she'smaking money, and she's making
money the way she wants to makemoney.
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How is she to know who yourhusband is or what his handle is
online?
I don't think she knows.
Because clearly, if she didknow, I think she would probably
be inclined to uh tell you.
I would hope, since you guys areboth close, that she would do
that.
But if you if you guys get ifyou guys get together and you
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talk and she hasn't saidanything about it, and then
here's another thing.
What you didn't say in theletter was that if your husband
acts a certain way when he'swhen you're talking to your twin
sister or she's on the phone, Idon't I don't know.
I don't know.
But then again, for me, it'slike the other way around.
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If your twin sister is acting insuch a manner that you would see
that she feels uncomfortablearound um your husband, then
maybe, but I don't know becauseit's kind of a 50-50 thing here,
and you don't really know,especially in this day and age.
But like I said, I don't thinkthis is your sister's fault.
I don't.
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I think, and the crazy thing is,I don't know how he even got to
the site.
Um, but then again, you know,when you're in VR, you try
different things, and VR justain't for virtual gaming.
You can do a lot of stuff in VR.
So, but it doesn't sound likeyour husband's cheating because
you said he comes home afterwork.
And if he comes home after workand he is happy to see you, but
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you said he does spend, hedoesn't spend that much time
with you, but he spends moretime on the VR.
Okay, so let me back up a bit.
If he pays more attention to theVR more than he does you and the
kids, talk to him.
Find out what's going on, findout if there's something that
can be fixed.
Find out if he wants to be inthis marriage.
Find out if you want to be inthis marriage.
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I would encourage the two of youboth to just sit down without
the kids, have a nice quietevening and talk.
There's no need to blow up,there's no need to get mad.
I don't know what the answerthat he could give you that
would probably justify hisactions.
I don't honestly, I don't know.
Because it's still kind of weirdto me that you guys are twins
and that he can get on this siteand see her anytime, but he has
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the real twin in front of himright there.
I don't understand that.
That's weird to me.
And I guess I'm never gonnaunderstand it because it's just
weird.
How do you have a twin sisterthat's on a foreign site, but he
has a twin sister that he'smarried to that lives right
there in the damn house?
I don't get that.
That's weird.
God Lee.
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Trying to think if I need atherapy after this because shit,
it's crazy.
So, in any event, I I don'tknow, but I hope this letter
finds you in a place or thispodcast finds you in a place
that you can maybe put somethings in perspective.
I don't know.
(43:51):
This letter's I was really notprepared for this shit.
I gotta be honest with you.
I wasn't prepared for half theshit that was going on in this
letter.
The thing that most gets me isthat they're twins, and that I
don't know.
I don't know.
So, as we get ready to closethis show out, um I want to say,
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Jessica, I hope you do the rightthing.
I hope that you find um somekind of solace, some kind of
peace, or I hope that you findsome kind of happiness.
I hope that your relationshipgets back on track.
I hope that everything's gonnabe okay.
(44:37):
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In any event, the links are inthe description of my podcast on
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You can follow me on IG, you canfollow me on TikTok, uh,
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YouTube, or wherever.
You know the crazy thing is, Iwas actually gonna go live on
IG, but I just found out thatthey took that away.
You now have to have over athousand followers.
So whether I have a thousandfollowers or not, it doesn't
really matter to me.
But I do this because I enjoyit.
And if somebody wants to give metheir problems and I try to make
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it better for you, hey, I can dothat.
I can at least try.
And if not, then I can't say nopoint of saying I didn't try,
but I did.
So as we get ready to wrap thisshow up, I want to thank you
guys for listening.
Thank you guys for tuning in tothe show.
Um, hopefully everybody's weak,everybody's day will go better.
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Hopefully, all is well with youand your family.
Until next time, you guys takecare of yourself and each other.
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