May 12, 2025 • 33 mins
Episode Summary
What does it take to stop hiding in plain sight and finally own your brilliance? In this powerful conversation, Coach Mo sits down with Sandra Kemayou—business coach, author, and unapologetic champion of high-achieving women ready to turn their expertise into impact. From overcoming cultural shame and inner critic battles to building a thriving coaching business without dancing on TikTok, Sandra shares how reclaiming alignment, reps, and radical self-trust changed everything. This episode is a call to action for any woman who’s been told “you should be a coach” but hasn’t yet made the leap. If burnout is whispering—or yelling—at you, this is your wake-up call to get back in alignment and into your purpose.
Key Takeaways
- “You’re not burned out, you’re misaligned.” Sandra reframes burnout as a signal that your current season may be over—and purpose is calling.
- Walking was the first rep. Her transformation started with a simple 6 a.m. walk—rebuilding confidence by honoring commitments to herself.
- High-achieving women need new rooms. Many clients aren’t broken; they’re just in the wrong position or outgrown the room they’re in.
- From hiding to high-ticket. Sandra helps clients stop giving away their brilliance in corporate and build coaching businesses rooted in their true niche.
- “We don’t give you power—you’ve always had it.” The final mic-drop reminds listeners that transformation begins with self-belief, not outside validation.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Welcome to the let's Think About it podcast, where we
embark on a journey ofthoughtfulness and personal
growth.
I'm your host, coach Mo, andI'm here to guide you through
thought-promoting discussionsthat will inspire you to unlock
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Remember, the power oftransformation lies within you,
and together we'll uncover thetools and insights you need to
make it happen.
So let's dive in.
Welcome to another episode ofthe let's Think About it podcast
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.
I'm your host, coach Mo, andI'm here with another amazing
guest, and her name is sandrakameu.
So where are you checking infrom?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
right now the gambia, which is right next to senegal.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
It's in africa, the motherland what should I know,
or the audience know somethinggreat about the motherland in
your area.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Oh, man, like the motherland is homecoming right.
It's those people that haven'tfor the Black people listening,
that haven't been home.
You got to come home.
There's nothing like it.
It's, I think, if you wereadopted and you finally meet
your birth family.
It's that feeling of, oh, itmakes sense, there was nothing
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wrong with me, it all makessense.
And that's the feeling that youcan only get when you come home
anywhere on the continentperiod.
So definitely, come home, y'allCome home.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
I love that and that's one of the things that's
on my bucket list is to come toAfrica and I'm connected with
you.
So, that's what's up.
So tell my audience who you are, what you do and the type of
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value that you bring.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Got it.
So I'm Sandra, mother of three,and I'm a mother of three, a
wife.
Let me say that before myhusband comes for you.
But I'm also the person thatwomen call when they are tired
of hearing everybody else say tothem you should be a coach.
I'm the one that call when theyfeel overwhelmed.
They're tired of watching allthe webinars and reading all the
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books.
They're tired of hiding inplain sight and they really want
to build a business that'sgoing to take all of their
skillset and everything they'recurrently giving away in
corporate America and turn thatinto a business that's thriving
without having to dance onTikTok.
I'm that coach for that woman.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Okay, let's take a step back.
How did you develop the mindsetto want to help women in
business around this wholecoaching philosophy that you
carry?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
a lot in my life failed sixth grade after
skipping fifth grade, and sothat was happening back in the
days in Cameroon, and so I had abig party when I passed fifth
grade and skipped it basically,so she's a genius.
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And then get to sixth grade andfail sixth grade and had to
repeat it.
And I remember my dad tellingme after he grounded me for two
months, I was in my room, nohuman contact.
This is Cameroon, so don't callchild supportive services Like
these.
Things were happening in mypipe.
I'm sharing the story to saythat there's nothing.
When you look at me at 11, 12,that will say coach Right.
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And because of that failure,because I got pregnant at 21,
when I was supposed to be goingto medical school, because I got
this phone, I had front row sitat what it looks like to be a
disappointment and a failure andalso having people give up on
you, and so I spent my 20shiding in plain sight and being
the CEO of the hiding in plainsight community, and what I saw
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there was so many people with somuch talent.
I'm talking about the mosttalented people you ever meet
with so much talent.
I'm talking about the mosttalented people you ever met and
you know them because you'resitting at family barbecue and
places with them and they'relike man, they have better
advice than you, they could bepodcaster, they know everything
about everything, but they justnever launch.
And so, even though I washiding, my calling was calling.
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So in the hiding club, I wastrying to get people, I was
trying to coach people to do it.
And then I realized, sandra,that's a little bit of you being
a hypocrite.
How are you going to lead amovement while you hide?
How are you going to give allthis good advice?
You've given up on yourself.
You're still that little girlthat fell sixth grade.
What does it look like?
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Bishop Jake used to have this.
I think it's probably still onYouTube where he talks about
like.
Most of us have never seen whatperforming at 100% looks like.
So what would it look like ifyou dare to just explore the
idea of what 100% could looklike for you?
And so I decided to get on thisjourney of self-discovery.
I decided to do the thing thatI had been doing since I was
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eight years old what I callhelping people, guiding people
and realized there was actuallyvalue there.
Not everybody thought the way Ithought about things, and I
come from a family ofentrepreneurs.
My dad has been an entrepreneurfor almost 50 years, my mom
also.
I worked as a business analystand project manager.
That was my last job before Iwent into business coaching full
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time.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
And.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
I'm scared and I'm afraid, but I'll be there If I
end, if I'm on my dying bed.
And I realize that I allowedfear and safety to me, spending
a lot of money on coachingbecause I didn't know what I
didn't know.
And here we are now, sevenyears later.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
That's awesome and I'm going to go here before we
tap into the work that you do tohelp people grow and things
like that.
I talk a lot about becoming aleader of self.
It starts there and part ofthat concept is how we as
individuals approach the innercritic limiting beliefs,
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overcoming fear, things likethat and I can imagine you on
the up and coming, the rise, thebiases.
You dealt with some of thediscrimination, the
microaggressions, things likethat that created your inner
critic to grow in mega sizeright, generating certain fears,
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certain limiting beliefs,beliefs.
What was it in your approachand how you overcame that, for
yourself to leap over thosebarriers, to tame the inner
critic, overcome limitingbeliefs.
What was that for you and howdid that look?
Speaker 2 (07:15):
like that's a loaded question.
Oh my goodness, okay, let's gohere.
So when I decided that and itstarts with a decision right I
decided I was tired.
I was so bad that on my visionboard I said, oh my gosh lives
going live.
And I told my husband Iremember this.
I said, babe, if I can just getover my fear of going live and
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people like watching me, babe,I'll blow up Like that was on my
vision board for the year, if Icould.
Just, he was like, oh, good luckand luck.
And I was like yo, that's howbad.
Because I think sometimes whenpeople watch us they feel like,
oh man, she got it.
She always was.
I wasn't, I was not, but Iremember telling God I see
myself on stages and that'scrazy, because I can't even wear
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red lipstick like I'll go to aparty, I'm in a corner somewhere
, but I feel like that's whatyou call me to do.
What should I do?
So I'm thinking he's going togive me like a roadmap, a
blueprint, like a thing.
He's like you sure, I'm like,I'm sure.
And if he said all I need youto do, it's simple.
I just need you to exerciseevery morning.
I want you to get out of yourhouse and take a walk, walk
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10,000 steps.
Now, hold on.
Are we going to get clients onthese walks at 6 am?
Because I'm walking at 9 to 5,so this is early and it didn't
make sense to me because itdidn't seem connected.
But God knew something about me,which was that I was a starter
but not a finisher, and he knewthat, yes, you can therapy your
way into healing.
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You can affirm your way intothat next version of yourself.
You can also understand thatconfidence comes through mastery
and that what I needed to dowas rewrite the story, not in a
hee-haw ha-ha I believe inmyself, but in a oh.
I'm the type of girl that'sgoing to take this walk, even
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though every morning, at 545,she gives herself a whole list
of reasons why she's not goingto take this walk.
Even though every morning, at545, she gives herself a whole
list of reasons why she's notgoing to take this walk.
I'm tired.
The baby didn't wake up.
Man who walks in the middle ofthe snow.
Man all of these things I willtell myself every so.
The inner critic, all theseexcuses every day for like maybe
six months.
It didn't get easier, but whathappened was, as I walked, I
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started looking at myselfdifferently.
Girl, you did that.
We do what we say we're goingto do.
We honor ourselves, and so itchanged everything.
Just that honoring of becomingthe person who did what she said
she was going to do.
In the little way, it becamebigger and bigger.
I started being able to trustmyself, because up to that point
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, I couldn't trust myself.
I couldn't trust myself.
To skip a grade and thensucceed.
I couldn't trust myself tobecome a doctor.
I couldn't, I couldn't.
I had so many failures stackedup that, like the walking, just
that one act that for somepeople is like girl, that
changed everything for me.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
That's powerful.
That's powerful because that'sone of the things I could really
try to encourage with myclients is you got to get the
reps in and whatever that is foryourself like for you it was
walking, and through walkingthere's a lot of reflection,
right, thinking through dynamics.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
That's the rep and as you continue that habit, your
confidence grew and it grew andhere we are, a powerful coach I
love the idea of reps becauseI'm not an athlete, which is
probably why God was like we'regoing to do the one thing.
We know you don't want to dothe hardest thing, but I admire
athletes and I tell my clientsif you look at business, the way
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athletes look at their work,you will always be successful,
because they're in love withtaking the reps right.
You won't practice, you want tojust.
Oh so, you want to.
The first time you playbasketball, to become Kobe
Bryant, oh so, you just want toget into the NBA.
Right.
And so for us, for businesses,aspiring businesses, for my
clients, I tell them oh so, youwant your first life to be a
sold out life.
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You want your first webinar tomake a hundred thousand dollars?
We do that for business, but tomake $100,000.
We do that for business, but wedon't do that for nothing else
because it's not realistic.
So I love that.
You said reps and I love sportbecause it's that long game,
it's that all you can do is showup and show up and hope that
you are outworking everybodyelse, but it's you against you,
and so I love that.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
And that takes me to the concept around leadership
right, because I'm sure you workwith a lot of women in
leadership and helping them getout of their own way.
If you're trying to elevateyour leadership skills whatever
that skill is surrounded byleadership you got to get the
reps in and you got to do morethan just to go to a training.
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You got to practice, you got toincorporate the reps.
So that's really powerful andI'm gonna I'm gonna go here
because I want to tap into moreof how you help your clients.
Tell me who your clients areand what do you do to help them
yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
So, michael, it's funny you ask that because we
always mission down and likerefining, and so who she is
seven years later, who I know Iget success with, is different
than who I thought she was sevenyears when I started.
But we've identified that thewomen that we do really great
work with are women that have atrack record of success.
So you're talking about womenin corporate America doing
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really well, or you're in ahelping profession, like a
social worker, a therapist, anurse, or you are in IT, a
business analyst, data analyst,people that are having to use
their brain a lot and makedecisions and all that stuff,
because that translates reallywell in business.
So you have the reps, becauseI'm not one who feels like, oh,
you can be a coach and you getto be a coach and not
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everybody's called to be a coach, please, not everybody, and
that's okay.
But these women that are puttingin the reps without even
realizing that's what they aredoing translates so well,
especially when they have thatlayer of wanting to help other
people, especially the ones thatare already the teacher and the
leader and the coach in theirfriends group and all that.
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Those are the women that it'salmost like a seamless
transition, and those are thewomen that we do our best with.
So that's my target audience.
That's why I'm called to helpin this season.
Maybe next year it will change,but in this season, these are
the women that we do our bestwork with.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Okay, as you were talking, I'm thinking of your
client base and these women.
They bust their ass and theygot to the top of the food chain
.
They're doing their thing.
How do you help them lead underpressure, though they're
feeling the pressure and they'relosing, let's just say, their
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mojo, but they don't want toshow the outer world that
they're losing their mojo.
But they know inside somethingjust isn't right and they can
feel the burnout coming.
How do you help those women?
Speaker 2 (14:00):
so what I have come to and it could be controversial
, but, like my take on this isthat you're not burnt out.
It could be that you'remisaligned, okay, because I feel
.
I feel that for me and in myexperience, a lot of the time
when I'm talking to these womenis that chapter is over, that
chapter is over.
It's time to graduate, it'stime for the next thing, it's
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time to become that next phaseor that next version.
Purpose is calling your name.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Right.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
It can feel like burnout, seems what felt like
ease and what felt like now it'shard, now it's a struggle, now
you're like I don't know who tobe, I don't like it feel like I
can't, I don't, I'm overwhelmed,and all these things.
But if you were really in yourpurpose, you might be tired.
You need a break, because weall do.
But I think a lot of the timethat symptoms of being
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misaligned Right, and a lot ofthese women didn't pick the
profession they are in becausethey felt like it was their
purpose.
Let's be real, like a lot ofthe nurses I know is not because
it was like.
For some it is, but for a lotof them it's not because when I
was a kid I wanted to be a nurse, it's because when I looked at
the landscape, that was the jobthat was going to pay the bills.
So I'm here for a check and sonow that you've accomplished all
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the things right, you have thehouse, things are a little bit
like it's not survival modeanymore.
Your higher, the higher versionof yourself, is knocking at the
door saying okay, sis, allright, how long are we going to
do this?
Okay, how long are we?
Because this is not what,because this is not all that it
was meant to be, and I thinkthat's where that feeling of
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misalignment that a lot ofpeople call burnout shows up and
opens up.
So one thing I would say isexploring.
What season are we at?
Are we still supposed to beinvesting at this job?
Even this title?
Now, my thing is always isentrepreneurship calling your
name?
But even if it's not, becausenot everybody is supposed to be
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an entrepreneur Is it time toexplore what else you want to do
?
Do you feel like that's thenext thing and that's what you
have to do?
So these?
I feel like it's really askingthe questions around.
What is it that?
What is this moment reallytelling you about where you
should go next?
Speaker 1 (16:12):
I like that word you said about misalignment.
What registered to me when yousaid that is your values.
Are your values still inalignment with your purpose?
Come on, wherever that is.
Is that alignment still matchedwith your business, your
organization, your school,whatever?
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Is that still there?
And when I'm hearing you, Itake it to the point of my
understanding of it is helping aperson reconnect with their
core values.
Because those values areoffline right.
Because those values areoffline right.
Maybe there's certain judgmentthat you're carrying a certain
limiting belief, that you'recarrying a certain fear, that
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you're carrying a certainassumption that you're carrying
and it distracts you away fromyour values and you're off track
, let's go.
And then, when you're off track, let's go.
And then, when you're off track, you can feel the pressure, you
can feel the burnout coming.
Yeah, but when they work withyou, us as coaches, and we help
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realign them to their corevalues, come on their confidence
comes back, their mojo comesback.
Yeah, how true is that?
Speaker 2 (17:32):
A thousand percent, and I don't for somebody who is
not an athlete.
I think of it like in my mind,if I was an athlete you're a
basketball player and they haveyou, you're really good, but
they have you in the wrongposition.
And can you imagine Kobe BryantI don't know what his position
was, but can you imagine, like,just shifting his position for
whatever he was, shifting hisposition for whatever he was?
Or if you're a lefty and theydon't realize you're a lefty and
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they want you to play with yourright, like it's not, nothing
is wrong with you, and I thinkthat's the big thing.
A lot of the time we think, oh,it's me, nothing is wrong with
you.
Sometimes you're just no longerin the right room, no longer
positioned the right way.
And we like security,especially as women Like we love
security and we love stability,but that's where dreams go and
that.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
I can imagine helping women like regain that
alignment that's been off forsome time.
They start to regain theirself-esteem and their confidence
.
You got to do the reps.
I'm big on the reps.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Okay, do the reps, even when you don't know what to
do.
Okay, I don't have clarity.
Lord, go do the reps.
Yeah, let's start with the reps, if nothing else.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
So tell me about your coaching approach that you take
to help women.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
It's funny.
So I have the five pillarmethod and basically it's the.
We build the foundation, sothat's your niche, your brand
story, and we help you createyour offer, for most of them is
either a group coaching programor VIP sessions or one-on-one,
so that's the foundation thatnobody sees.
That's like putting in the repsbehind the scenes.
And then we help you withmarketing and sales, Because if
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you don't know how to sell andmost of my clients have a very
love-hate relationship, I thinkit's most women with selling but
nothing happens in yourbusiness until you sell
something.
So we got to master those salesconversation and literally give
you our sales blueprint and werole play and practice and all
this stuff.
So everything you're going toneed to go from.
I think that maybe I should bea coach and I'm not sure to.
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Oh my gosh, I just got my firstthing High ticket paying
clients.
You got to be kidding me.
There's no way.
Everything in between that wecover.
But the biggest thing and Ididn't realize it was a thing is
what we talked about.
I had a client her name isFatima who was exactly in that
situation worked a nine to five,and her frustration was she
kept training her managers.
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And so when she was like, butwait a minute, you bring all
these people, I'm training them,so that must mean I know
something.
Okay, I'm on that position.
And somebody told her oh,you're never going to get that
position just because of the wayyou look, you are amazing,
You're smart, You're a workforce, but it's not going to be here,
Just FYI.
And so she got on a call withme.
She was like, oh, I'll be there, oh, I'm going to build my own.
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And so when we got on a call,she had worked with other
coaches before and so she hadsome of these pillars, but she
felt like something was off.
And because she felt likesomething was off, she couldn't
really market because she feltmisaligned.
And within one session I wasable to be like oh no, that's
not your niche, this is thething.
But I thought every coach coulddo that.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Cause I'm a coach.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
I don't know what the other people.
I thought everybody could dothat and one thing she said to
me.
She said, sandra, your greatestgift and I've seen you do this
with all of your clients is thepillars are good, but if I can't
really be aligned to my niche,I'm going to build somebody
else's business and I'm notgoing to be able to show up for
that business.
And so she said to me thebiggest gift that you give your
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clients is your ability to seethem and your ability to take
all those pieces of their livesand be able to know when they
are missed, like even when theycome to you and they say, no,
I'm a relationship coach, youare able to be like, let's
explore that farther.
And so I've come to realizethat with the five pillar,
that's great, but really alsojust that foundation and making
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sure that we are building thebusiness for you and not for
everybody else Right, so you canactually be your purpose and
carry this thing.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
That's powerful and that's the beauty of us being
coaches we adapt to our clientsto fulfill what their needs are.
In that moment, I hear a lot offlexibility in your approach to
working with different clientsflexibility in your approach to
working with different clientsbut specifically, can you share
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with us how you differentiateyourself from other coaches out
there?
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Yeah.
So that's a good question.
If you had asked me this a yearago, I would have gone on a
rant on oh we do 12 weekcoaching program and you get all
access and we build yourwebsite and we'll write your
first ad and you will never getthis type of support anywhere
else.
If we are partners, then we arehere for you.
That was that would have beenthe answer, and all those things
are true, but that's not theanswer.
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I don't have to differentiatemyself from anybody.
I don't.
I just don't.
I'm either your coach or I'mnot.
I don't chase, I attract.
I am who I am.
I'm not like find us, yes, wemarket and all that stuff.
But I really believe that thereis a thing about picking the
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right coach.
There's an energy transferthere.
It's a sacred thing, which iswhy I said not everybody is
called to be a coach.
So if you're thinking about,should I work with Sandra?
Should I work with coach Mo?
I think the question you haveto ask yourself is two questions
.
Number one would I go havecoffee with them?
I think they're cool people,just period.
Okay, number number one.
But number two would I do Iaspire to have the life that
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they have.
Do I aspire to have theirmindset?
Because there are things I don'tdo.
I'm not going to teach you howto create a seven dollar thing.
I don't know how to do that.
I don't do that.
I'm all about high ticket, highimpact.
Because you want to leave yournine to five, we're not going
unless you're kim kardashian.
Now kim kardashian came to me.
Baby, we're doing a 90 centcommunity, but for most of my
clients that introvert, theydon't know a bunch of people and
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it takes as much money to get a2k client than he does a $20
client.
So I don't do that.
If you want to be famous onTikTok I haven't figured out how
to do that.
I'm not your coach and askingyourself is that what I want?
Do I want to be able tohomeschool my kids?
Do I want to be able to have abusiness that's seven plus years
?
Do I want to be able to feel inalignment and have freedom in
my life?
Do I want to be myself and notget with somebody that's just
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going to be like Coach Mo?
Does it do what Coach Mo did?
What do I want?
And if that, if Coach Mo feelslike your vibe, go with him,
because we can all come on hereand give you all the marketing,
blah, blah blah.
We are better than.
But I don't got time for that.
I don't do that, no more.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
I love that, though.
I love that, and I'm listeningto you and I was, like man, I
don't think I even ever asked,answered that question for
myself.
And as I'm listening to youtalk, right, and I'm thinking
like Mo, how do youdifferentiate yourself?
And I have to admit, I show upas one of those vulnerable type
coaches, right, that I'm notafraid to share, that I'm going
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through the same shit type stuffthat you're going through too.
Oh, I love that the differenceis for me, though.
I acknowledge when I'm off thetracks and I just get back on
the tracks.
That's the difference for me,and I'm not afraid to share that
.
I'm imperfect.
I'm not afraid to talk aboutsome of my deficiencies that I
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may have because of the limitingbeliefs and the inner critic
that approaches my mindset.
But I can acknowledge when I'moff the tracks and then I say to
myself wait a minute, man, youhaven't got your reps in, so
let's go back and get our repsback in.
And then I'm back in alignmentand then everything is all good.
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But I show up helping clientsand everything like that.
But I also share with them.
Man, I'm going through thisstuff too.
I'm not perfect.
I have inconsistencies, I haveflaws, I have limiting beliefs
and as I perfect myself the bestway that I think I can, I pass
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on the successes and the toolsand the insights so you can
apply it in your world as well.
And doing that for myself, withmy clients, I gained a lot of
trust.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Oh, I love that, Guys .
I hope you heard that, Becausewhat I heard you say is being
yourself is enough right?
Talk about a substance.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
And if you're working with me, the thing is, are you
ready to get the reps in?
Because if you're not, don'tfool with me, do not fool with
me.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Don't waste my time now.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Don't fool with me, because that's what we're about
too right.
We're about accountability,holding people accountable and I
am not afraid to call clientsout when they're not being
accountable.
And I think that's one of themost powerful things that we
bring as coaches is the abilityto hold our clients accountable,
(26:05):
and a lot of times that's whatthey need, because when they're
at these high positions in it,let's go with the organizational
structure and you're at a highposition.
Their direct reports aren'tgoing to hold them accountable,
so where does the accountabilitycome from?
They have to self holdthemselves accountable, but when
(26:25):
the reps start to fade and theystart getting off track, where
does the accountability comefrom then?
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
That's where we come into play.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
That's it, yeah, I appreciate this conversation.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
How can you be found though?
Speaker 2 (26:38):
So myfirstandlastnamecom, that's
the website.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
How can the audience contact you if they want to
connect with you or learn moreabout your programs?
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Absolutely so.
It's my first and last name, sosantrakmirecom.
Everything is on there.
How to find me on Instagram?
We don't TikTok.
We try.
We don't know what we're doing,but we're on there.
All the platforms, we are onthere.
But, yeah, you can find outabout the group coaching offers.
We have our VIP sessions.
I'm doing live event.
(27:07):
I haven't done a live talkabout a vulnerable moment I'm
going to cause.
Everything has been virtual forme from the beginning.
I was like, oh, this is my year.
And then COVID happened and soI did one live experience and
then the wall shut down.
And so this is me coming backwanting to.
I'll be in the US for about 10days, and so I'm doing a live
event in June and I'm nervousabout it because I'm like I
(27:28):
don't show up what we do, butI'm excited about it.
And then I'll do someone-on-one coaching session,
face-to-face, in Paris, andmaybe one in Nigeria, because
I'm traveling.
So I'm like let let me, let mypeople meet me here and in these
places and let's have, becauseI think online is powerful and
I've done that.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
But there's something that happened in a room like
Facebook and I've missed that.
That's awesome.
We hit a lot of differentthings, but one thing I forgot
to ask do you have a book?
Speaker 2 (27:55):
yes, I do.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
I have three books, but the latest tell us yeah,
tell us about the book yeah so.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
So the latest, the book that I Hiding in Plain
Sight, was my first book, theBusiness of you Hiding in Plain
Sight, where it's a call toaction for all the women that
are hiding behind the title, thelogo and all that stuff.
It's girls, let's go, let's doit If I can do it, you can but
(28:25):
to profit.
And it's the guide to buildinga six-figure coaching business,
because not everybody can buy mygroup coaching program, not
everybody has access to me, andso I was like you know what?
Let me put all the pillars andall the strategies and
everything we do in our programsand sell it for nine bucks, so
that if you're thinking andwondering, is coaching even a
thing for me, read the book.
It's available on Amazon.
I'm really proud of it.
It launched this year, soreally excited.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
You should be proud.
You should be proud because Iknow you put a lot of work into
getting that published.
It's out there now.
It's out there, socongratulations with that.
Any lasting thoughts?
We talked a lot today aboutleadership.
A little bit of fear.
Reps, what would you like toleave our audience with today?
Speaker 2 (29:05):
I remember going listening to I was a big.
I'll be at work listening topeople's podcasts Okay, side
hustle pro was one.
I'm like how are we going toget out of here?
And I remember attendingconferences, listening to
podcasts like this and thinkingto myself making up stories
about these people.
Man, coach Rod doesn't knowwhat it means to be like a woman
who got pregnant at 21.
She probably comes from like aloving family.
(29:27):
I will make up backstoriesabout these people and I will
make them heroes.
I think it's Lisa Nichols thatsays don't make me a hero.
The point of these podcasts andgoing to conferences and things
like that is not for you tomake me or you a hero.
It's for you to understand thatyou are the hero of your own
story.
You are.
So I don't want you to listen tome, coach Mo, to anybody else,
(29:49):
and dismiss what your own poweris.
The goal is to ignite somethingin you so that you understand
that you always had it in you.
Yes, you might need theaccountability.
Yes, you might need to buy thebook.
Yes, you might need thataccountability.
Yes, you might need to buy thebook.
Yes, you might need to join ourcoaching program, but we don't
give you the power.
God can do that, we can't, andso all of that power, all of the
things, everything you've gonethrough, even the bad things,
(30:11):
even the things that you thinkmake you disqualify, are
actually part of your story.
That's what he was talkingabout when he said I show up and
say I'm not perfect, here'swhat I'm still struggling with,
but here I am, still I stand,and I want you to know that.
The fact that you're listeningto a podcast and not staying in
desperate, the fact that you arestill seeking information, the
(30:33):
fact that there's a thing insideof you that tells you can do
better, you can be bigger, youcan be there's a thing, there's
a dream inside of you.
You are not just called, youare qualified.
And so let's be clear on whatwe are saying we can do for you.
We can't make you great becauseyou're already great.
We can guide you, we can giveyou some shortcut, but I want
you to know, no matter what, Idon't care what's happening, I
(30:54):
don't care if they fired you, Idon't care if your kids don't
talk to you, I don't care what'sgoing on in your life.
I want you to hear me loud andclear and I'm going to tell you
nothing happens when you hide inplain sight.
It might feel safe, it mightfeel like, oh, I'm everybody's
friend and I say at least I gotmy people.
Nothing good, nothing goodhappens while you hide in plain
sight.
(31:14):
So if I can do it, if CoachMoore can do it, I want you to
know hear me loud and clear thatyou have everything you've ever
needed to become that nextversion of yourself.
We believe in you, we believe inyour potential.
We believe that you are onedecision away.
It doesn't have to be the newyear, it doesn't have to be a
(31:35):
Monday.
It can be right now, in thismoment, and people don't got to
celebrate you.
People don't even have to seeit.
Actually, I want them to notsee it.
But wait a minute.
I talked to you two months agoand I thought I want you to be a
surprise for people.
So I want you to believe inyourself.
I want you to get that energyback.
I want you to put in your repsbecause you are great, you've
(31:56):
always been great and I'vealways known that this version
of you that's listening to usright existed and you can get to
that next phase.
So, coach Moore, thank you somuch for having me.
I am so excited to haveconnected with you and I can't
wait for us to do great thingstogether in the future.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Mic drop.
I appreciate you.
Thank you, Ms Sandra.
You set the tone for the restof my week with that last
message.
I appreciate you, Thank you.
Thank you for joining me inthis episode of let's Think
About it.
Your time and attention aregreatly appreciated.
If you found value in today'sdiscussion, I encourage you to
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Remember, the journey ofself-improvement is ongoing and
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Connect with me on social mediafor updates and insights.
You can find me on Instagramand Facebook at Coach Mo
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Until next time, keepreflecting, keep growing and,
most importantly, keep believingin yourself.
Remember, the most effectiveway to do it is to do it
Together.
We're making incredible stridestoward a better and more
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empowered you.
So thank you and I'll empoweredyou.
So thank you, and I'll see youin our next episode.
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Welcome to another episode ofthe let's Think About it podcast
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I'm your host, coach Mo, andI'm here with another amazing
guest, and her name is sandrakameu.
So where are you checking infrom?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
right now the gambia, which is right next to senegal.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
It's in africa, the motherland what should I know,
or the audience know somethinggreat about the motherland in
your area.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Oh, man, like the motherland is homecoming right.
It's those people that haven'tfor the Black people listening,
that haven't been home.
You got to come home.
There's nothing like it.
It's, I think, if you wereadopted and you finally meet
your birth family.
It's that feeling of, oh, itmakes sense, there was nothing
(02:07):
wrong with me, it all makessense.
And that's the feeling that youcan only get when you come home
anywhere on the continentperiod.
So definitely, come home, y'allCome home.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
I love that and that's one of the things that's
on my bucket list is to come toAfrica and I'm connected with
you.
So, that's what's up.
So tell my audience who you are, what you do and the type of
(02:39):
value that you bring.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Got it.
So I'm Sandra, mother of three,and I'm a mother of three, a
wife.
Let me say that before myhusband comes for you.
But I'm also the person thatwomen call when they are tired
of hearing everybody else say tothem you should be a coach.
I'm the one that call when theyfeel overwhelmed.
They're tired of watching allthe webinars and reading all the
(03:03):
books.
They're tired of hiding inplain sight and they really want
to build a business that'sgoing to take all of their
skillset and everything they'recurrently giving away in
corporate America and turn thatinto a business that's thriving
without having to dance onTikTok.
I'm that coach for that woman.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Okay, let's take a step back.
How did you develop the mindsetto want to help women in
business around this wholecoaching philosophy that you
carry?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
a lot in my life failed sixth grade after
skipping fifth grade, and sothat was happening back in the
days in Cameroon, and so I had abig party when I passed fifth
grade and skipped it basically,so she's a genius.
(03:52):
And then get to sixth grade andfail sixth grade and had to
repeat it.
And I remember my dad tellingme after he grounded me for two
months, I was in my room, nohuman contact.
This is Cameroon, so don't callchild supportive services Like
these.
Things were happening in mypipe.
I'm sharing the story to saythat there's nothing.
When you look at me at 11, 12,that will say coach Right.
(04:14):
And because of that failure,because I got pregnant at 21,
when I was supposed to be goingto medical school, because I got
this phone, I had front row sitat what it looks like to be a
disappointment and a failure andalso having people give up on
you, and so I spent my 20shiding in plain sight and being
the CEO of the hiding in plainsight community, and what I saw
(04:37):
there was so many people with somuch talent.
I'm talking about the mosttalented people you ever meet
with so much talent.
I'm talking about the mosttalented people you ever met and
you know them because you'resitting at family barbecue and
places with them and they'relike man, they have better
advice than you, they could bepodcaster, they know everything
about everything, but they justnever launch.
And so, even though I washiding, my calling was calling.
(04:59):
So in the hiding club, I wastrying to get people, I was
trying to coach people to do it.
And then I realized, sandra,that's a little bit of you being
a hypocrite.
How are you going to lead amovement while you hide?
How are you going to give allthis good advice?
You've given up on yourself.
You're still that little girlthat fell sixth grade.
What does it look like?
(05:19):
Bishop Jake used to have this.
I think it's probably still onYouTube where he talks about
like.
Most of us have never seen whatperforming at 100% looks like.
So what would it look like ifyou dare to just explore the
idea of what 100% could looklike for you?
And so I decided to get on thisjourney of self-discovery.
I decided to do the thing thatI had been doing since I was
(05:41):
eight years old what I callhelping people, guiding people
and realized there was actuallyvalue there.
Not everybody thought the way Ithought about things, and I
come from a family ofentrepreneurs.
My dad has been an entrepreneurfor almost 50 years, my mom
also.
I worked as a business analystand project manager.
That was my last job before Iwent into business coaching full
(06:01):
time.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
And.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
I'm scared and I'm afraid, but I'll be there If I
end, if I'm on my dying bed.
And I realize that I allowedfear and safety to me, spending
a lot of money on coachingbecause I didn't know what I
didn't know.
And here we are now, sevenyears later.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
That's awesome and I'm going to go here before we
tap into the work that you do tohelp people grow and things
like that.
I talk a lot about becoming aleader of self.
It starts there and part ofthat concept is how we as
individuals approach the innercritic limiting beliefs,
(06:38):
overcoming fear, things likethat and I can imagine you on
the up and coming, the rise, thebiases.
You dealt with some of thediscrimination, the
microaggressions, things likethat that created your inner
critic to grow in mega sizeright, generating certain fears,
(06:59):
certain limiting beliefs,beliefs.
What was it in your approachand how you overcame that, for
yourself to leap over thosebarriers, to tame the inner
critic, overcome limitingbeliefs.
What was that for you and howdid that look?
Speaker 2 (07:15):
like that's a loaded question.
Oh my goodness, okay, let's gohere.
So when I decided that and itstarts with a decision right I
decided I was tired.
I was so bad that on my visionboard I said, oh my gosh lives
going live.
And I told my husband Iremember this.
I said, babe, if I can just getover my fear of going live and
(07:36):
people like watching me, babe,I'll blow up Like that was on my
vision board for the year, if Icould.
Just, he was like, oh, good luckand luck.
And I was like yo, that's howbad.
Because I think sometimes whenpeople watch us they feel like,
oh man, she got it.
She always was.
I wasn't, I was not, but Iremember telling God I see
myself on stages and that'scrazy, because I can't even wear
(07:59):
red lipstick like I'll go to aparty, I'm in a corner somewhere
, but I feel like that's whatyou call me to do.
What should I do?
So I'm thinking he's going togive me like a roadmap, a
blueprint, like a thing.
He's like you sure, I'm like,I'm sure.
And if he said all I need youto do, it's simple.
I just need you to exerciseevery morning.
I want you to get out of yourhouse and take a walk, walk
(08:22):
10,000 steps.
Now, hold on.
Are we going to get clients onthese walks at 6 am?
Because I'm walking at 9 to 5,so this is early and it didn't
make sense to me because itdidn't seem connected.
But God knew something about me,which was that I was a starter
but not a finisher, and he knewthat, yes, you can therapy your
way into healing.
(08:42):
You can affirm your way intothat next version of yourself.
You can also understand thatconfidence comes through mastery
and that what I needed to dowas rewrite the story, not in a
hee-haw ha-ha I believe inmyself, but in a oh.
I'm the type of girl that'sgoing to take this walk, even
(09:03):
though every morning, at 545,she gives herself a whole list
of reasons why she's not goingto take this walk.
Even though every morning, at545, she gives herself a whole
list of reasons why she's notgoing to take this walk.
I'm tired.
The baby didn't wake up.
Man who walks in the middle ofthe snow.
Man all of these things I willtell myself every so.
The inner critic, all theseexcuses every day for like maybe
six months.
It didn't get easier, but whathappened was, as I walked, I
(09:24):
started looking at myselfdifferently.
Girl, you did that.
We do what we say we're goingto do.
We honor ourselves, and so itchanged everything.
Just that honoring of becomingthe person who did what she said
she was going to do.
In the little way, it becamebigger and bigger.
I started being able to trustmyself, because up to that point
(09:46):
, I couldn't trust myself.
I couldn't trust myself.
To skip a grade and thensucceed.
I couldn't trust myself tobecome a doctor.
I couldn't, I couldn't.
I had so many failures stackedup that, like the walking, just
that one act that for somepeople is like girl, that
changed everything for me.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
That's powerful.
That's powerful because that'sone of the things I could really
try to encourage with myclients is you got to get the
reps in and whatever that is foryourself like for you it was
walking, and through walkingthere's a lot of reflection,
right, thinking through dynamics.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
That's the rep and as you continue that habit, your
confidence grew and it grew andhere we are, a powerful coach I
love the idea of reps becauseI'm not an athlete, which is
probably why God was like we'regoing to do the one thing.
We know you don't want to dothe hardest thing, but I admire
athletes and I tell my clientsif you look at business, the way
(10:44):
athletes look at their work,you will always be successful,
because they're in love withtaking the reps right.
You won't practice, you want tojust.
Oh so, you want to.
The first time you playbasketball, to become Kobe
Bryant, oh so, you just want toget into the NBA.
Right.
And so for us, for businesses,aspiring businesses, for my
clients, I tell them oh so, youwant your first life to be a
sold out life.
(11:05):
You want your first webinar tomake a hundred thousand dollars?
We do that for business, but tomake $100,000.
We do that for business, but wedon't do that for nothing else
because it's not realistic.
So I love that.
You said reps and I love sportbecause it's that long game,
it's that all you can do is showup and show up and hope that
you are outworking everybodyelse, but it's you against you,
and so I love that.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
And that takes me to the concept around leadership
right, because I'm sure you workwith a lot of women in
leadership and helping them getout of their own way.
If you're trying to elevateyour leadership skills whatever
that skill is surrounded byleadership you got to get the
reps in and you got to do morethan just to go to a training.
(11:46):
You got to practice, you got toincorporate the reps.
So that's really powerful andI'm gonna I'm gonna go here
because I want to tap into moreof how you help your clients.
Tell me who your clients areand what do you do to help them
yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
So, michael, it's funny you ask that because we
always mission down and likerefining, and so who she is
seven years later, who I know Iget success with, is different
than who I thought she was sevenyears when I started.
But we've identified that thewomen that we do really great
work with are women that have atrack record of success.
So you're talking about womenin corporate America doing
(12:25):
really well, or you're in ahelping profession, like a
social worker, a therapist, anurse, or you are in IT, a
business analyst, data analyst,people that are having to use
their brain a lot and makedecisions and all that stuff,
because that translates reallywell in business.
So you have the reps, becauseI'm not one who feels like, oh,
you can be a coach and you getto be a coach and not
(12:47):
everybody's called to be a coach, please, not everybody, and
that's okay.
But these women that are puttingin the reps without even
realizing that's what they aredoing translates so well,
especially when they have thatlayer of wanting to help other
people, especially the ones thatare already the teacher and the
leader and the coach in theirfriends group and all that.
(13:08):
Those are the women that it'salmost like a seamless
transition, and those are thewomen that we do our best with.
So that's my target audience.
That's why I'm called to helpin this season.
Maybe next year it will change,but in this season, these are
the women that we do our bestwork with.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Okay, as you were talking, I'm thinking of your
client base and these women.
They bust their ass and theygot to the top of the food chain
.
They're doing their thing.
How do you help them lead underpressure, though they're
feeling the pressure and they'relosing, let's just say, their
(13:46):
mojo, but they don't want toshow the outer world that
they're losing their mojo.
But they know inside somethingjust isn't right and they can
feel the burnout coming.
How do you help those women?
Speaker 2 (14:00):
so what I have come to and it could be controversial
, but, like my take on this isthat you're not burnt out.
It could be that you'remisaligned, okay, because I feel
.
I feel that for me and in myexperience, a lot of the time
when I'm talking to these womenis that chapter is over, that
chapter is over.
It's time to graduate, it'stime for the next thing, it's
(14:24):
time to become that next phaseor that next version.
Purpose is calling your name.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Right.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
It can feel like burnout, seems what felt like
ease and what felt like now it'shard, now it's a struggle, now
you're like I don't know who tobe, I don't like it feel like I
can't, I don't, I'm overwhelmed,and all these things.
But if you were really in yourpurpose, you might be tired.
You need a break, because weall do.
But I think a lot of the timethat symptoms of being
(14:51):
misaligned Right, and a lot ofthese women didn't pick the
profession they are in becausethey felt like it was their
purpose.
Let's be real, like a lot ofthe nurses I know is not because
it was like.
For some it is, but for a lotof them it's not because when I
was a kid I wanted to be a nurse, it's because when I looked at
the landscape, that was the jobthat was going to pay the bills.
So I'm here for a check and sonow that you've accomplished all
(15:15):
the things right, you have thehouse, things are a little bit
like it's not survival modeanymore.
Your higher, the higher versionof yourself, is knocking at the
door saying okay, sis, allright, how long are we going to
do this?
Okay, how long are we?
Because this is not what,because this is not all that it
was meant to be, and I thinkthat's where that feeling of
(15:36):
misalignment that a lot ofpeople call burnout shows up and
opens up.
So one thing I would say isexploring.
What season are we at?
Are we still supposed to beinvesting at this job?
Even this title?
Now, my thing is always isentrepreneurship calling your
name?
But even if it's not, becausenot everybody is supposed to be
(15:56):
an entrepreneur Is it time toexplore what else you want to do
?
Do you feel like that's thenext thing and that's what you
have to do?
So these?
I feel like it's really askingthe questions around.
What is it that?
What is this moment reallytelling you about where you
should go next?
Speaker 1 (16:12):
I like that word you said about misalignment.
What registered to me when yousaid that is your values.
Are your values still inalignment with your purpose?
Come on, wherever that is.
Is that alignment still matchedwith your business, your
organization, your school,whatever?
(16:36):
Is that still there?
And when I'm hearing you, Itake it to the point of my
understanding of it is helping aperson reconnect with their
core values.
Because those values areoffline right.
Because those values areoffline right.
Maybe there's certain judgmentthat you're carrying a certain
limiting belief, that you'recarrying a certain fear, that
(17:00):
you're carrying a certainassumption that you're carrying
and it distracts you away fromyour values and you're off track
, let's go.
And then, when you're off track, let's go.
And then, when you're off track, you can feel the pressure, you
can feel the burnout coming.
Yeah, but when they work withyou, us as coaches, and we help
(17:22):
realign them to their corevalues, come on their confidence
comes back, their mojo comesback.
Yeah, how true is that?
Speaker 2 (17:32):
A thousand percent, and I don't for somebody who is
not an athlete.
I think of it like in my mind,if I was an athlete you're a
basketball player and they haveyou, you're really good, but
they have you in the wrongposition.
And can you imagine Kobe BryantI don't know what his position
was, but can you imagine, like,just shifting his position for
whatever he was, shifting hisposition for whatever he was?
Or if you're a lefty and theydon't realize you're a lefty and
(17:52):
they want you to play with yourright, like it's not, nothing
is wrong with you, and I thinkthat's the big thing.
A lot of the time we think, oh,it's me, nothing is wrong with
you.
Sometimes you're just no longerin the right room, no longer
positioned the right way.
And we like security,especially as women Like we love
security and we love stability,but that's where dreams go and
that.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
I can imagine helping women like regain that
alignment that's been off forsome time.
They start to regain theirself-esteem and their confidence
.
You got to do the reps.
I'm big on the reps.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Okay, do the reps, even when you don't know what to
do.
Okay, I don't have clarity.
Lord, go do the reps.
Yeah, let's start with the reps, if nothing else.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
So tell me about your coaching approach that you take
to help women.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
It's funny.
So I have the five pillarmethod and basically it's the.
We build the foundation, sothat's your niche, your brand
story, and we help you createyour offer, for most of them is
either a group coaching programor VIP sessions or one-on-one,
so that's the foundation thatnobody sees.
That's like putting in the repsbehind the scenes.
And then we help you withmarketing and sales, Because if
(19:02):
you don't know how to sell andmost of my clients have a very
love-hate relationship, I thinkit's most women with selling but
nothing happens in yourbusiness until you sell
something.
So we got to master those salesconversation and literally give
you our sales blueprint and werole play and practice and all
this stuff.
So everything you're going toneed to go from.
I think that maybe I should bea coach and I'm not sure to.
(19:23):
Oh my gosh, I just got my firstthing High ticket paying
clients.
You got to be kidding me.
There's no way.
Everything in between that wecover.
But the biggest thing and Ididn't realize it was a thing is
what we talked about.
I had a client her name isFatima who was exactly in that
situation worked a nine to five,and her frustration was she
kept training her managers.
(19:43):
And so when she was like, butwait a minute, you bring all
these people, I'm training them,so that must mean I know
something.
Okay, I'm on that position.
And somebody told her oh,you're never going to get that
position just because of the wayyou look, you are amazing,
You're smart, You're a workforce, but it's not going to be here,
Just FYI.
And so she got on a call withme.
She was like, oh, I'll be there, oh, I'm going to build my own.
(20:04):
And so when we got on a call,she had worked with other
coaches before and so she hadsome of these pillars, but she
felt like something was off.
And because she felt likesomething was off, she couldn't
really market because she feltmisaligned.
And within one session I wasable to be like oh no, that's
not your niche, this is thething.
But I thought every coach coulddo that.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Cause I'm a coach.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
I don't know what the other people.
I thought everybody could dothat and one thing she said to
me.
She said, sandra, your greatestgift and I've seen you do this
with all of your clients is thepillars are good, but if I can't
really be aligned to my niche,I'm going to build somebody
else's business and I'm notgoing to be able to show up for
that business.
And so she said to me thebiggest gift that you give your
(20:46):
clients is your ability to seethem and your ability to take
all those pieces of their livesand be able to know when they
are missed, like even when theycome to you and they say, no,
I'm a relationship coach, youare able to be like, let's
explore that farther.
And so I've come to realizethat with the five pillar,
that's great, but really alsojust that foundation and making
(21:06):
sure that we are building thebusiness for you and not for
everybody else Right, so you canactually be your purpose and
carry this thing.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
That's powerful and that's the beauty of us being
coaches we adapt to our clientsto fulfill what their needs are.
In that moment, I hear a lot offlexibility in your approach to
working with different clientsflexibility in your approach to
working with different clientsbut specifically, can you share
(21:36):
with us how you differentiateyourself from other coaches out
there?
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Yeah.
So that's a good question.
If you had asked me this a yearago, I would have gone on a
rant on oh we do 12 weekcoaching program and you get all
access and we build yourwebsite and we'll write your
first ad and you will never getthis type of support anywhere
else.
If we are partners, then we arehere for you.
That was that would have beenthe answer, and all those things
are true, but that's not theanswer.
(22:00):
I don't have to differentiatemyself from anybody.
I don't.
I just don't.
I'm either your coach or I'mnot.
I don't chase, I attract.
I am who I am.
I'm not like find us, yes, wemarket and all that stuff.
But I really believe that thereis a thing about picking the
(22:20):
right coach.
There's an energy transferthere.
It's a sacred thing, which iswhy I said not everybody is
called to be a coach.
So if you're thinking about,should I work with Sandra?
Should I work with coach Mo?
I think the question you haveto ask yourself is two questions
.
Number one would I go havecoffee with them?
I think they're cool people,just period.
Okay, number number one.
But number two would I do Iaspire to have the life that
(22:42):
they have.
Do I aspire to have theirmindset?
Because there are things I don'tdo.
I'm not going to teach you howto create a seven dollar thing.
I don't know how to do that.
I don't do that.
I'm all about high ticket, highimpact.
Because you want to leave yournine to five, we're not going
unless you're kim kardashian.
Now kim kardashian came to me.
Baby, we're doing a 90 centcommunity, but for most of my
clients that introvert, theydon't know a bunch of people and
(23:04):
it takes as much money to get a2k client than he does a $20
client.
So I don't do that.
If you want to be famous onTikTok I haven't figured out how
to do that.
I'm not your coach and askingyourself is that what I want?
Do I want to be able tohomeschool my kids?
Do I want to be able to have abusiness that's seven plus years
?
Do I want to be able to feel inalignment and have freedom in
my life?
Do I want to be myself and notget with somebody that's just
(23:27):
going to be like Coach Mo?
Does it do what Coach Mo did?
What do I want?
And if that, if Coach Mo feelslike your vibe, go with him,
because we can all come on hereand give you all the marketing,
blah, blah blah.
We are better than.
But I don't got time for that.
I don't do that, no more.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
I love that, though.
I love that, and I'm listeningto you and I was, like man, I
don't think I even ever asked,answered that question for
myself.
And as I'm listening to youtalk, right, and I'm thinking
like Mo, how do youdifferentiate yourself?
And I have to admit, I show upas one of those vulnerable type
coaches, right, that I'm notafraid to share, that I'm going
(24:07):
through the same shit type stuffthat you're going through too.
Oh, I love that the differenceis for me, though.
I acknowledge when I'm off thetracks and I just get back on
the tracks.
That's the difference for me,and I'm not afraid to share that
.
I'm imperfect.
I'm not afraid to talk aboutsome of my deficiencies that I
(24:28):
may have because of the limitingbeliefs and the inner critic
that approaches my mindset.
But I can acknowledge when I'moff the tracks and then I say to
myself wait a minute, man, youhaven't got your reps in, so
let's go back and get our repsback in.
And then I'm back in alignmentand then everything is all good.
(24:49):
But I show up helping clientsand everything like that.
But I also share with them.
Man, I'm going through thisstuff too.
I'm not perfect.
I have inconsistencies, I haveflaws, I have limiting beliefs
and as I perfect myself the bestway that I think I can, I pass
(25:12):
on the successes and the toolsand the insights so you can
apply it in your world as well.
And doing that for myself, withmy clients, I gained a lot of
trust.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Oh, I love that, Guys .
I hope you heard that, Becausewhat I heard you say is being
yourself is enough right?
Talk about a substance.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
And if you're working with me, the thing is, are you
ready to get the reps in?
Because if you're not, don'tfool with me, do not fool with
me.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Don't waste my time now.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Don't fool with me, because that's what we're about
too right.
We're about accountability,holding people accountable and I
am not afraid to call clientsout when they're not being
accountable.
And I think that's one of themost powerful things that we
bring as coaches is the abilityto hold our clients accountable,
(26:05):
and a lot of times that's whatthey need, because when they're
at these high positions in it,let's go with the organizational
structure and you're at a highposition.
Their direct reports aren'tgoing to hold them accountable,
so where does the accountabilitycome from?
They have to self holdthemselves accountable, but when
(26:25):
the reps start to fade and theystart getting off track, where
does the accountability comefrom then?
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
That's where we come into play.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
That's it, yeah, I appreciate this conversation.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
How can you be found though?
Speaker 2 (26:38):
So myfirstandlastnamecom, that's
the website.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
How can the audience contact you if they want to
connect with you or learn moreabout your programs?
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Absolutely so.
It's my first and last name, sosantrakmirecom.
Everything is on there.
How to find me on Instagram?
We don't TikTok.
We try.
We don't know what we're doing,but we're on there.
All the platforms, we are onthere.
But, yeah, you can find outabout the group coaching offers.
We have our VIP sessions.
I'm doing live event.
(27:07):
I haven't done a live talkabout a vulnerable moment I'm
going to cause.
Everything has been virtual forme from the beginning.
I was like, oh, this is my year.
And then COVID happened and soI did one live experience and
then the wall shut down.
And so this is me coming backwanting to.
I'll be in the US for about 10days, and so I'm doing a live
event in June and I'm nervousabout it because I'm like I
(27:28):
don't show up what we do, butI'm excited about it.
And then I'll do someone-on-one coaching session,
face-to-face, in Paris, andmaybe one in Nigeria, because
I'm traveling.
So I'm like let let me, let mypeople meet me here and in these
places and let's have, becauseI think online is powerful and
I've done that.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
But there's something that happened in a room like
Facebook and I've missed that.
That's awesome.
We hit a lot of differentthings, but one thing I forgot
to ask do you have a book?
Speaker 2 (27:55):
yes, I do.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
I have three books, but the latest tell us yeah,
tell us about the book yeah so.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
So the latest, the book that I Hiding in Plain
Sight, was my first book, theBusiness of you Hiding in Plain
Sight, where it's a call toaction for all the women that
are hiding behind the title, thelogo and all that stuff.
It's girls, let's go, let's doit If I can do it, you can but
(28:25):
to profit.
And it's the guide to buildinga six-figure coaching business,
because not everybody can buy mygroup coaching program, not
everybody has access to me, andso I was like you know what?
Let me put all the pillars andall the strategies and
everything we do in our programsand sell it for nine bucks, so
that if you're thinking andwondering, is coaching even a
thing for me, read the book.
It's available on Amazon.
I'm really proud of it.
It launched this year, soreally excited.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
You should be proud.
You should be proud because Iknow you put a lot of work into
getting that published.
It's out there now.
It's out there, socongratulations with that.
Any lasting thoughts?
We talked a lot today aboutleadership.
A little bit of fear.
Reps, what would you like toleave our audience with today?
Speaker 2 (29:05):
I remember going listening to I was a big.
I'll be at work listening topeople's podcasts Okay, side
hustle pro was one.
I'm like how are we going toget out of here?
And I remember attendingconferences, listening to
podcasts like this and thinkingto myself making up stories
about these people.
Man, coach Rod doesn't knowwhat it means to be like a woman
who got pregnant at 21.
She probably comes from like aloving family.
(29:27):
I will make up backstoriesabout these people and I will
make them heroes.
I think it's Lisa Nichols thatsays don't make me a hero.
The point of these podcasts andgoing to conferences and things
like that is not for you tomake me or you a hero.
It's for you to understand thatyou are the hero of your own
story.
You are.
So I don't want you to listen tome, coach Mo, to anybody else,
(29:49):
and dismiss what your own poweris.
The goal is to ignite somethingin you so that you understand
that you always had it in you.
Yes, you might need theaccountability.
Yes, you might need to buy thebook.
Yes, you might need thataccountability.
Yes, you might need to buy thebook.
Yes, you might need to join ourcoaching program, but we don't
give you the power.
God can do that, we can't, andso all of that power, all of the
things, everything you've gonethrough, even the bad things,
(30:11):
even the things that you thinkmake you disqualify, are
actually part of your story.
That's what he was talkingabout when he said I show up and
say I'm not perfect, here'swhat I'm still struggling with,
but here I am, still I stand,and I want you to know that.
The fact that you're listeningto a podcast and not staying in
desperate, the fact that you arestill seeking information, the
(30:33):
fact that there's a thing insideof you that tells you can do
better, you can be bigger, youcan be there's a thing, there's
a dream inside of you.
You are not just called, youare qualified.
And so let's be clear on whatwe are saying we can do for you.
We can't make you great becauseyou're already great.
We can guide you, we can giveyou some shortcut, but I want
you to know, no matter what, Idon't care what's happening, I
(30:54):
don't care if they fired you, Idon't care if your kids don't
talk to you, I don't care what'sgoing on in your life.
I want you to hear me loud andclear and I'm going to tell you
nothing happens when you hide inplain sight.
It might feel safe, it mightfeel like, oh, I'm everybody's
friend and I say at least I gotmy people.
Nothing good, nothing goodhappens while you hide in plain
sight.
(31:14):
So if I can do it, if CoachMoore can do it, I want you to
know hear me loud and clear thatyou have everything you've ever
needed to become that nextversion of yourself.
We believe in you, we believe inyour potential.
We believe that you are onedecision away.
It doesn't have to be the newyear, it doesn't have to be a
(31:35):
Monday.
It can be right now, in thismoment, and people don't got to
celebrate you.
People don't even have to seeit.
Actually, I want them to notsee it.
But wait a minute.
I talked to you two months agoand I thought I want you to be a
surprise for people.
So I want you to believe inyourself.
I want you to get that energyback.
I want you to put in your repsbecause you are great, you've
(31:56):
always been great and I'vealways known that this version
of you that's listening to usright existed and you can get to
that next phase.
So, coach Moore, thank you somuch for having me.
I am so excited to haveconnected with you and I can't
wait for us to do great thingstogether in the future.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Mic drop.
I appreciate you.
Thank you, Ms Sandra.
You set the tone for the restof my week with that last
message.
I appreciate you, Thank you.
Thank you for joining me inthis episode of let's Think
About it.
Your time and attention aregreatly appreciated.
If you found value in today'sdiscussion, I encourage you to
(32:34):
subscribe on your favoritepodcast platform.
Remember, the journey ofself-improvement is ongoing and
I'm here to support you everystep of the way.
Connect with me on social mediafor updates and insights.
You can find me on Instagramand Facebook at Coach Mo
Coaching, or LinkedIn at MauriceMabry, or visit my website at
(32:58):
mauricemabrycom for exclusivecontent.
Until next time, keepreflecting, keep growing and,
most importantly, keep believingin yourself.
Remember, the most effectiveway to do it is to do it
Together.
We're making incredible stridestoward a better and more
(33:20):
empowered you.
So thank you and I'll empoweredyou.
So thank you, and I'll see youin our next episode.
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