May 18, 2025 • 34 mins
Episode Summary
After 33 years of breaking barriers in the Navy, Dee Allen retired—but not from leadership. In this powerful episode, she shares her journey from military service to executive coaching and why self-confidence, not credentials, is often the missing piece at the top. Coach Mo and Dee unpack the inner fears that plague even the most accomplished leaders—imposter syndrome, fear of failure, and the illusion of having no choice. With clarity and compassion, Dee explains how coaching helps leaders reclaim their mindset, confidence, and professional power. Whether you're in the C-suite or mid-career, this episode reminds you: you’re not stuck—you're one insight away from your next breakthrough.
Key Takeaways
- Confidence Crumbles at the Top
Even senior leaders in the C-suite struggle with self-doubt—especially when they feel isolated and pressured to constantly perform. - From Role Model to Change Agent
Dee Allen’s leadership philosophy reframes influence; she didn’t just rise in the ranks—she rewrote Navy policy for women and families. - Burnout Isn’t a Time Problem, It’s a Boundaries Problem
Leaders often put professional development last—but protecting time for growth is essential to staying sharp and centered. - Fear Thrives in Isolation
When high-level leaders stop talking through their challenges, fear of failure and limiting beliefs take over. Coaching provides a way out. - Development Looks Different Now
Dee challenges the traditional view of professional development—books, podcasts, reflection, and shadowing all count, not just courses.
Connect with me on Instagram and Facebook @Coach_Mo_Coaching, on LinkedIn as Morice Mabry, or visit my website at moricemabry.com for exclusive content.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
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embark on a journey ofthoughtfulness and personal
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So let's dive in.
Welcome to another episode ofthe let's Think About it podcast
(01:20):
.
I'm your host, Coach Mo, andI'm here with another amazing,
exciting guest.
Her name is Dee Allen.
Miss Dee, how are you, mysister?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I am well.
Thank you, coach Mo.
Happy to be here.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
I'm happy to have you , but first things first.
Where are you checking in fromaround the country?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I am checking in from the DMV.
I'm actually located inNorthern Virginia but you know
how we are up here.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Weed one time going to DC, but I've never actively
just been in the state ofVirginia.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
You've got to come.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
What's one thing that's great about your area
that you live in?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
It's so much to do.
You know, people live in thesuburbs because they don't like
the hustle and bustle of beingin DC, or even like Baltimore,
but there is something going onevery day of the week.
Me and my husband both said weare both military.
When we retired we said thereis no other place to be but in
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the DMV because there's alwayssomething to do.
So we love it here.
We came kicking and screamingbut it kind of grew on us.
So we love it here.
We came kicking and screaming,but it kind of grew on us.
So it's home now.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
But tell me, tell my audience, who you are, what you
do and the type of value thatyou bring.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Absolutely Well, I am Dee Allen.
I actually hail from Birmingham, alabama.
The roadside joined the Navydirectly out of high school and
I decided I was going to do fouryears just to be able to get
that money for education.
But it grew on me and 33 yearslater I was finally retired.
(03:19):
They were actually going likeit's time for you to go because
you can't do anything else goinglike it's time for you to go
because you can't do anythingelse.
Really loved my time in uniform.
Got to serve my country, got totravel the world, met some
amazing people that I still keepin touch with to this day.
Absolutely love it.
When I retired from themilitary I had no idea what I
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wanted to do and a really dearfriend of mine said you should
become an executive coach.
It is your calling.
And I was just like really.
And I was just like I'm gonnahave to think about that.
So COVID hit and I had a lot oftime on my hands so I was like,
let me look into this executivecoaching.
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So did some research,immediately jumped into a
program and got certified, andthe rest is in the history books
.
Absolutely love coaching myniche.
I focus on executive leadershipcoaching.
I've met some amazing people inthis space.
In this industry.
Everybody deserves a coach,regardless of where you are in
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the food chain of yourorganization.
So if you want to coach, youneed some help reaching your
goals.
I am definitely your person.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Okay, so help me understand this.
So you made the decision to gointo the Navy right after high
school.
What made you take that route?
First, let's explore that.
What made you go that route youtake?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
that route first, let's explore that.
What made you go that route?
Absolutely.
You know.
Education was huge in my family.
My parents was very strict,Like you had to come on with A's
and B's, you know.
So education was really huge,but my parents just couldn't
afford to send us to college.
So I decided I would join themilitary to get some money for
my education.
The military is so good withthat.
(05:06):
They provide that money forpeople to go back and get their
education.
Little did I know I was goingto fall in love with them.
I thought I was going to do myfirst four years and then walk
away, but it sort of just stuckwith me and I felt like I was
really good.
Leadership is my thing.
I'm a definite, a naturalleader.
(05:27):
In the military they justreally allow you to just really
be your authentic self, andthat's me.
My authentic self is all aboutleadership, anything and all
things leadership.
So I was able to just spread mywings and just really be able
to grow within that organization.
I kept getting promoted so Iwas like I might as well stay.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
That's great.
So as you were going throughthis evolution of growth within
the military structure, whattype of fears and biases came up
for you that you really had tolearn to navigate, as an
African-American woman, in astructure that's highly
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populated with men, let alonewhite men?
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Absolutely.
You know, throughout my careerI always found that most times I
was the only one at the tablethat didn't instill fear in me.
That instilled a purpose in me,because if I was the only one
at the table that didn't instillfear in me, that instilled a
purpose in me.
Because as I was coming upthrough the ranks, when I would
look upward, there wasn't a lotof people that looked like me
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and I was determined to changethat.
So I worked hard, I set mygoals.
I knew the rank and positionthat I wanted to accomplish
early on.
After I made that decision tostay.
I always believe never letanybody tell you that you can't
do something, especially whenthey haven't done it themselves.
So I was determined.
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I was like this is what I wantto do, these are the goals that
I want to accomplish, and I amso thankful that I was able to
do that.
I reached that rank, I reachedthat position, and it was almost
like breaking through thatglass ceiling.
Don't get me wrong, it wasn'tthe first.
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But there were several rolemodels that came before me who
helped pave the way, and I justhope that I was able to pave the
way for some of the youngladies coming behind me, and
that was my ultimate goal is tomake things just a little bit
better and easier for the onescoming behind me.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
I hear leaving a legacy.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Well, thank you for that.
You know, a lot of times peoplego, oh my God, you're a role
model.
And I always say I don't seemyself as a role model.
I really wanted to see myselfas a change agent.
So I really just, you know,shifted gears a little bit,
changed that language on them.
I know what a change agent isand that's exactly what I set
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forth when I decided that someof the things that I wanted to
do the Navy was really good tome, decided that some of the
things that I wanted to do, theNavy was really good to me.
I ended up having some veryunique positions.
One of the things I was able todo is I was able to actually
write policy for the Navy thatwas specific for women, and I
absolutely I was able to helpshape policies that helped our
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females when it came to givingbirth, on active duty and
remaining on board.
We created policies for fathers.
People always go oh, you focusjust on women.
Dads are part of the program aswell.
Right, they're part of thefamily.
So we were able to create somepolicies for fathers.
When their spouse had a kid,they got some of the same
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benefits that women got.
We were able to put togethersome policies if you adopted a
child.
So some very unique situationsthat we were able to come up and
create some policies just tomake things a little bit better
and make people want to stay.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
That's awesome.
One of the other things that Iheard you say, right, is you
know you, as you were exitingyour tenure in the military, you
explored coaching and you wentand the pandemic hit you got,
you went through your program toget certification and going
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through those programs because Iwent through a program as well
right, it's a lot of deep, deepdiving, digging, self-reflection
, type things, right.
So, going through that process,what did you learn about the
past version of you goingthrough the military?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
So I'm going to say there wasn't really a past
version of me going through themilitary.
You know, I always like to lookat things from a whole person
standpoint and a lot of some ofthe things I talk to my clients
about.
Why are you making yourself twopeople, Right?
You feel like you're this oneperson at work and then when you
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come home you're a completelydifferent person, Right, and a
lot of times the military feelthat way You're one person in
uniform and you're a differentperson.
You know that wasn't me.
I felt like I was the sameperson all the time, but what I
learned about myself after Iretired was like I felt like I
was authentic.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Right.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Because I didn't have to like oh, I got to find
myself.
I didn't have to do that.
It was just like OK, I'm justin different clothing now.
It was a little bit challenginggoing through the closet.
I had to figure out things towear, but when you're in the
military you have a uniform thatyou always know where you're
going to put on.
So for me it was just literallyabout changing from the uniform
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into civilian attire and justdo what I love doing, and that
is helping people.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
That's great.
So tell us, take us throughyour coaching journey now.
You came out, you started yourbusiness, you got certified.
What's that journey lookinglike for you now, and who are
the clients that you serve?
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Absolutely so I first , when I started, I dabbled
mostly with consulting.
Leadership is my thing, so Idid a little bit of leadership,
consulting, going and helpingorganizations, just really
figure out, like, do you havethe best structure in place?
I did that.
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Figure out like, do you havethe best structure in place?
I did that and while I wasdoing the certification piece,
you know, I was just like, okay,let me like start dabbling,
cause you know we all have toget those hours Right.
So I was like, hey, let mestart with some pro bono stuff.
So I started doing the pro bonowith some of those companies
and found like, yes, this isdefinitely what I want to do and
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I'll share with you, mo, when Iwas in the military, I had my
job was a people leader and Inever thought that I would be
able to find something that mademe as happy after I retired.
But I'm so glad to say that wascoaching for me, that same joy
that I got out of that peoplejob that I had in the military.
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I get that out of coaching andI will share with you.
You know just started dabblinginto coaching and just building
that clientele.
It was a challenge.
You know, like everybody whenthey first started trying to get
those claims, it can bechallenging right they always
tell you, the biggest complimentis the word of mouth and that
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really solidified things for me.
You know a couple of earlyclients referred some people to
me and you know it just sort ofkind of took off from there and
I absolutely loved it.
I do some government contractsand that door is always open.
I love that piece of it.
But I did want to make sure Ididn't box myself in one
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particular industry.
So I do government, I docorporate, I do nonprofits, so I
like to really spread thewealth.
And then I went with one otherorganization that targeted
college students when I startedcoaching for them, because I
felt like that was so unique.
We really targeted the juniorsenior level of students and
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really helped prepare them to beable to enter into the job
market.
And when I tell you what anexperience that was, it was
fascinating, it was just sorewarding and I'm so glad that I
took the opportunity to do that.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
I can relate to that because I was an adjunct
professor for about 16 years.
The aspect of it that I enjoyedthe most was the mentorship
piece component of it rightHanging out with students after
class, giving them insights,asking them a lot of powerful
questions to make them think andponder on what their next move
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is going to be.
I mean that was really fun forme and then that really helped
me set the stage to take thosenext steps to getting my
coaching certification, becausethrough the mentoring process
and working with students, Ididn't really have a
methodological approach in how Ican get them from point A to
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point Z.
I was just giving theminformation and just helping the
best way I think I can help.
But you know, with coaching,particularly going through a
certification program, that'swhat they teach you.
They teach you a systematicapproach that you take in this
industry in helping peopleself-discover what their goals
and their insights are so thatthey can move forward and become
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a more confident being.
And so that's why I'm like,really excited you know about
you and your discovery foryourself and this role of
coaching that you do.
You also mentioned that you doexecutive and leadership
coaching.
I have my version in how I workwith execs and leaders and the
common language, fears andthings that come up through my
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clients.
I want to hear what are some ofthe common issues, barriers
that leaders you work with face.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Absolutely, I think, hands down.
One of the challenges majorityof my clients come to the table
with is self-confidence.
It sort of kind of surprised meat first, right, because I go
you were in the C-suite, likewhat's going on?
But I had to do a littleself-reflection of myself right
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as I maneuvered through, youknow, the military structure.
The more senior I got,sometimes I felt like the less
confidence that I had.
And that's what I findsometimes in a lot of my C-suite
clients.
You know they feel like, okay,I have arrived and now I got to
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continue to produce at thislevel or even higher, and a lot
of them are afraid of that.
So just really working throughlike, okay, what is your fear?
And nine times out of 10, thatfear is simple it's a fear of
failure.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Right so.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
I ask the question name me one person that you know
that's perfect.
And then they go there's noperfect person.
So why are you trying to makeyourself perfect, right?
Everybody fails at some pointin their life.
It's what you do with thatfailure that really matters.
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Do you learn from it and moveon, or do you waddle in that
failure and never be able tomove forward?
I have probably touched on 80percent of my clients in that
particular lane.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
That's interesting because, right, when they're on
the up and come up, they're soconfident they're doing what
they got to do to move theneedle and they consistently
advance, right.
Yes, my curiosity comes fromwhere did the shift happen?
Right, you built to this pointyour success, you're doing your
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thing.
All of a sudden, now you'recarrying this worrisome type
belief that you might fail.
Right, and I help clientsbecause I deal with the same
conversations that you just said.
Same conversations, but like,where did it shift?
Why, now that you're at thislevel, you're afraid of failure?
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Where in the past, getting tothis level, there was no fear of
that?
What was the shift for you?
And what comes from that?
The burnout.
And they feel as though whenyou rise, you become more
isolated too.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
And when you're isolated, you spend more time in
your head.
Absolutely Right.
When you're more time in yourhead, sometimes our core values
take a back seat.
You're not thinking about that.
It's the what ifs.
That might happen, this mighthappen, blah, blah, blah.
Judgment, judgment, judgment,limiting belief, assumption,
assumption, assumption createthis massive amount of worry
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that we carry that we mightpossibly fail.
And because you're in your ownhead, because you've risen to
the point where you don't haveno one to have those
conversations with, that's wherethe power of coaching comes in.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Absolutely, you know.
And then I think there's alittle bit of that imposter
syndrome that sometimes sneak inthere.
You know I share with you thatlike that sometimes sneak in
there.
You know, I share with you thatlike I don't know one person
who hasn't suffered fromimposter syndrome sometime.
But sometimes you do that butit's not really faking it right.
I say it's about learning,right?
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You gotta sometimes learn, evenas you progress up into those
positions.
You're not going to knoweverything, so sometimes it's
about taking a step back andlearning something new or maybe
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relying on someone else to showyou something different.
So I always say just go andhave an open mind and really
focus and really dig deep.
Do that self-reflection,because if you don't do that you
may be missing something.
Right If you don't do thatself-reflection piece.
But you got to be honest withyourself doing that
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self-reflection.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Yep, and then I would add to what you're saying, by
getting the reps in the reps ofcontinuing to develop your
mindset, whatever that lookslike for you and your endeavors.
You got to continue tostrengthen that.
And sometimes, as we buildtowards our career endeavors and
we arrive, we forget that piece.
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We need to forget that piece,right?
Because we're distracted by allthe meetings, the tasks that we
need to take care of, and soour personal and professional
development gets kind of put onthe back burner a little bit,
right.
And then there's consequencesof that because now there's more
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judgment, because you're inyour own head, because you're
not actively applying repetitionto your mindset to develop, to
continue to develop it.
Yeah, because we're learningbeings, we are always growing,
our mind is always trying tolearn and taking in new things,
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and when we pause that, forwhatever reason, unintentional
there's a consequence with thatand sometimes that consequence
is the level of fear that westart to carry around failure.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Yeah, and then think about you know, I'm sure you
know, with some of your clientswe get to a certain level and we
sort of kind of forget aboutourselves.
You know, you just mentionedprofessional development.
I often ask my clients when wasthe last time you developed
yourself professionally?
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And they go well, I did thisfor one of my direct reports.
We're not talking about yourdirect report right now, talking
about you.
It was a long time you investedin yourself and, I think, us as
coaches.
It is so important for us to godown that lane with our clients
, like open the door and makethem walk through it, put that
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question out there and make themanswer it, cause they'll try
and dodge it all day long and Igo.
Okay, it's been a while.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Right.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
What if you lost your job today?
Right Right, you got aprofession.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Because I also think pressure, like at that level
that you're dealing with, youknow we want results, we need
ROI, right, and we need resultsright now.
So I don't have time to develop, I got to do this, this, this
and this.
With that there's no boundariesfor yourself.
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So, because now everyone elseis taking your time and so when
everyone is pulling you thin,absolutely there's no time for
professional development becauseeveryone else has your time.
Well, what are you going to doto guard that for yourself?
Right?
And we are in this society wherenegativity, negativity,
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negativity, negativity in oursociety and that contributes to
our mindset as well.
When we invest in professionaland personal development for
ourselves, there's morepositivity to help offset some
of the negative informationthat's coming in, and sometimes
that's what we need, right?
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And so when I ask clients, youknow, what are you doing to
offset all of the negativeenvironment?
Not that everyone lives in anegative environment, but we
can't deny that media, media,advertisements, it all creates
some sort of subconsciousnegative context into our being.
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When you struggle with certainfears, I believe that you have
to be intentional in how youovercome that, and it starts
with professional and personaldevelopment and you just have to
build it and frame it.
That works best for you.
But if you're never doing that,the fear gets stronger and
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stronger, whatever that lookslike.
The limiting belief getsstronger and stronger.
The assumptions get strongerand stronger.
What are your thoughts about it?
Speaker 2 (24:00):
I agree.
I think when people look atprofessional development in
anything, they think of the,maybe the brick and mortar.
Oh, I got to go back to school,I got to like, up my degree
level or whatever.
But I tell people, developmentis so much more than that, right
, development can be anything.
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It could be learning fromsomeone already in the workplace
, it could be a certification ora certificate, it could be
going back in a highereducational level.
But you know, I tell people toreally be broad about
development, right, because itcan be so many things.
It could easily be working sideby side with the CEO, like
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shadowing somebody.
So you know, I get people toreally just explore the word
development, right, but let'sjust really explore that.
And I go.
If I would say, hey, mo, I wantyou to do some professional
development, what does that looklike to you?
Right, and I just send them outthere, right?
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Or I go, I'm your boss and Isay I have $10,000 that I'm
going to give you fordevelopment.
What would you do with it?
Right, you know?
So just getting them to see therealm of possibilities when it
comes to development, I think isso important, because people
are so rooted in the traditionaldefinition of the word.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Right.
I'm glad you brought that up,because when I ask my clients,
what are you doing forprofessional development, the
first thing that they think ofis a training that they have not
taken, that they mean to take.
And you're right, developmentis so much more than that.
Like what podcast are youlistening to?
What books are you readingRight?
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What meditation activities areyou incorporating into your
mindset?
All of those type of thingscould be development, right.
And then reflection isdevelopmental opportunities
taking a walk and as you go on a15, 20-minute walk, isolate
yourself to self-reflect andthink about what's next and
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things like that, right, andthose ideas that you get.
How do you expand it?
All of that is part ofself-development.
But you're right People put itin this box that I have to
enroll in a class.
I don't have eight hours in aday to go to a training.
It's so much more than justthat.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
And how many times, mo, have you gotten that new
client who goes well, I reallydon't know what this coaching
thing is about.
I really don't think I need it,you know.
But I always say just give methis one session, that's all I
ask.
Give me this one session, andthen we'll go from there and by
the end of that first sessionthey're going I'm all in, I'm
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all in, you know.
So just getting them to see thepossibilities of it, right?
So that has happened to me somany times.
Development comes in so manyways and we all need development
, regardless of what stage weare in our lives or careers.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Absolutely.
The common phrase that I hearfrom my clients is damn you, mo,
you're in my head.
How do you know this stuff?
I mean, you just bring so muchwisdom.
That's the common response.
Because you know us as coaches,right, the great thing that we
do.
We create awareness for ourclients through powerful
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questions that we ask, Right.
And then, through my experiencewith my clients, they realize,
like damn, I've been in my head,damn you know in a good way,
though.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Absolutely.
I had a client recently.
I had worked with her trying toget a promotion and every time
she felt like she got close theywere going like oh, you know,
we're doing a freeze, we're notdoing any more promotion.
And that happened like foralmost like a year.
And of course, you know, hersession had ran out.
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And at the beginning of thisyear I get this message that
says Dee, we did it, I got thepromotion.
I love how she said we did it.
I didn't do anything but coachher.
Right, she did all the hardwork, but her sharing that it
was, you know we.
You know that as a coach, thatmakes you feel good, like all of
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the things that you set thisperson up with.
You know they were.
And she, she came to the table.
She was a little reluctantabout coaching, but she came
like I'm going to give this atry.
And she kept coming back, youknow.
So I was like this is a goodthing.
I was so happy to see her.
That growth.
When your clients excel, weexcel as well.
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So that just makes us go like,yeah, this is definitely what I
was meant to do.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Absolutely.
And another thing I want tothrow into across the board,
whether it's an exact C-suitetype leader, first time leader,
even a person that's just acareer professional, a lot of
times when they experiencecertain inner barriers and
challenges, they feel in thosemoments there's no choice, they
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have no choice, and thatstrengthens the fear and the
limiting belief.
And I think what we do to helpthem through that, we help them
discover the possibilities andregaining their power of choice.
And when they self-discoverthat they have choice in their
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particular situation, of whatthey're dealing with, and they
make a choice, whatever that is,they naturally feel better,
absolutely, and they build uponit.
And then that's where theconfidence comes, that's where
the shift starts to happen andthat's where I'm most grateful
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in being able to help clients,because across the board, across
the board, all theconversations that I have with
so many different leaders in themoment of the situation, nine
out of 10 times it has to dowith them feeling like they have
no choice in this situation andthey have to accept it.
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And that is so, not true.
That is so not true.
And when you have the abilityand the space to talk it out,
get it out of your head, youstart to see the possibilities
all around you and you make adecision, and that's where we
get our power back.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
I agree.
I agree.
I like to be able to show thatleader that they have the
capacity for greatness.
Show that leader that they havethe capacity for greatness,
regardless of what.
The situation is Right.
So yeah, I get it, yep.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
So what's next for you?
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Well, I am currently on the downside of my PhD.
I am writing my dissertation,and what a challenge it has been
.
So much, you know, we talkabout development here.
I am continuing to developmyself.
You know I did 33 years in themilitary, but it was a personal
(31:21):
goal to become Dr D, so I'mworking on that.
When I finish, my desire is toactually write a book focused on
leadership.
You know we talked about howyou can show your leadership
regardless of where you lie inthe organization, so that's
going to be my focus.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Well, congratulations on moving toward your
dissertation and becoming Dr D.
I'm excited for you.
How can my guests find you?
Speaker 2 (31:51):
You can find me.
My main living space isLinkedIn, so I live on LinkedIn.
I'm constantly posting.
You will see my dissertationjourney all across LinkedIn, so
people can find me on LinkedIn.
You can also find me onInstagram at IamCoachD.
So those are my two mainplatforms.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Any lasting thoughts, words, nuggets that you would
like to leave the audience with.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
You know, it's just really about giving back.
I love being a coach, I lovewhat I do.
Like I said, I love helpingpeople.
My why is to empower others toachieve their goal.
I know that and I hope that Iam living that every day when
I'm coaching, going to thesessions, just helping them
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realize that if you have a goal,you can achieve it with that
strategy.
So, yeah, everybody needs acoach.
It doesn't matter where youfall out on the organizational
chart.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Absolutely.
I'm there.
Whatever you need, I got you.
I appreciate you.
I enjoyed today's conversation.
You are amazing, you'reoutstanding and please got to
come back.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
After you become Dr D , I got to bring you back.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
I will definitely be what I would love to come back,
thank you.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
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Welcome to another episode ofthe let's Think About it podcast
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I'm your host, Coach Mo, andI'm here with another amazing,
exciting guest.
Her name is Dee Allen.
Miss Dee, how are you, mysister?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I am well.
Thank you, coach Mo.
Happy to be here.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
I'm happy to have you , but first things first.
Where are you checking in fromaround the country?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I am checking in from the DMV.
I'm actually located inNorthern Virginia but you know
how we are up here.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Weed one time going to DC, but I've never actively
just been in the state ofVirginia.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
You've got to come.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
What's one thing that's great about your area
that you live in?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
It's so much to do.
You know, people live in thesuburbs because they don't like
the hustle and bustle of beingin DC, or even like Baltimore,
but there is something going onevery day of the week.
Me and my husband both said weare both military.
When we retired we said thereis no other place to be but in
(02:39):
the DMV because there's alwayssomething to do.
So we love it here.
We came kicking and screamingbut it kind of grew on us.
So we love it here.
We came kicking and screaming,but it kind of grew on us.
So it's home now.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
But tell me, tell my audience, who you are, what you
do and the type of value thatyou bring.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Absolutely Well, I am Dee Allen.
I actually hail from Birmingham, alabama.
The roadside joined the Navydirectly out of high school and
I decided I was going to do fouryears just to be able to get
that money for education.
But it grew on me and 33 yearslater I was finally retired.
(03:19):
They were actually going likeit's time for you to go because
you can't do anything else goinglike it's time for you to go
because you can't do anythingelse.
Really loved my time in uniform.
Got to serve my country, got totravel the world, met some
amazing people that I still keepin touch with to this day.
Absolutely love it.
When I retired from themilitary I had no idea what I
(03:40):
wanted to do and a really dearfriend of mine said you should
become an executive coach.
It is your calling.
And I was just like really.
And I was just like I'm gonnahave to think about that.
So COVID hit and I had a lot oftime on my hands so I was like,
let me look into this executivecoaching.
(04:02):
So did some research,immediately jumped into a
program and got certified, andthe rest is in the history books
.
Absolutely love coaching myniche.
I focus on executive leadershipcoaching.
I've met some amazing people inthis space.
In this industry.
Everybody deserves a coach,regardless of where you are in
(04:22):
the food chain of yourorganization.
So if you want to coach, youneed some help reaching your
goals.
I am definitely your person.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Okay, so help me understand this.
So you made the decision to gointo the Navy right after high
school.
What made you take that route?
First, let's explore that.
What made you go that route youtake?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
that route first, let's explore that.
What made you go that route?
Absolutely.
You know.
Education was huge in my family.
My parents was very strict,Like you had to come on with A's
and B's, you know.
So education was really huge,but my parents just couldn't
afford to send us to college.
So I decided I would join themilitary to get some money for
my education.
The military is so good withthat.
(05:06):
They provide that money forpeople to go back and get their
education.
Little did I know I was goingto fall in love with them.
I thought I was going to do myfirst four years and then walk
away, but it sort of just stuckwith me and I felt like I was
really good.
Leadership is my thing.
I'm a definite, a naturalleader.
(05:27):
In the military they justreally allow you to just really
be your authentic self, andthat's me.
My authentic self is all aboutleadership, anything and all
things leadership.
So I was able to just spread mywings and just really be able
to grow within that organization.
I kept getting promoted so Iwas like I might as well stay.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
That's great.
So as you were going throughthis evolution of growth within
the military structure, whattype of fears and biases came up
for you that you really had tolearn to navigate, as an
African-American woman, in astructure that's highly
(06:10):
populated with men, let alonewhite men?
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Absolutely.
You know, throughout my careerI always found that most times I
was the only one at the tablethat didn't instill fear in me.
That instilled a purpose in me,because if I was the only one
at the table that didn't instillfear in me, that instilled a
purpose in me.
Because as I was coming upthrough the ranks, when I would
look upward, there wasn't a lotof people that looked like me
(06:35):
and I was determined to changethat.
So I worked hard, I set mygoals.
I knew the rank and positionthat I wanted to accomplish
early on.
After I made that decision tostay.
I always believe never letanybody tell you that you can't
do something, especially whenthey haven't done it themselves.
So I was determined.
(06:57):
I was like this is what I wantto do, these are the goals that
I want to accomplish, and I amso thankful that I was able to
do that.
I reached that rank, I reachedthat position, and it was almost
like breaking through thatglass ceiling.
Don't get me wrong, it wasn'tthe first.
(07:17):
But there were several rolemodels that came before me who
helped pave the way, and I justhope that I was able to pave the
way for some of the youngladies coming behind me, and
that was my ultimate goal is tomake things just a little bit
better and easier for the onescoming behind me.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
I hear leaving a legacy.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Well, thank you for that.
You know, a lot of times peoplego, oh my God, you're a role
model.
And I always say I don't seemyself as a role model.
I really wanted to see myselfas a change agent.
So I really just, you know,shifted gears a little bit,
changed that language on them.
I know what a change agent isand that's exactly what I set
(07:59):
forth when I decided that someof the things that I wanted to
do the Navy was really good tome, decided that some of the
things that I wanted to do, theNavy was really good to me.
I ended up having some veryunique positions.
One of the things I was able todo is I was able to actually
write policy for the Navy thatwas specific for women, and I
absolutely I was able to helpshape policies that helped our
(08:23):
females when it came to givingbirth, on active duty and
remaining on board.
We created policies for fathers.
People always go oh, you focusjust on women.
Dads are part of the program aswell.
Right, they're part of thefamily.
So we were able to create somepolicies for fathers.
When their spouse had a kid,they got some of the same
(08:46):
benefits that women got.
We were able to put togethersome policies if you adopted a
child.
So some very unique situationsthat we were able to come up and
create some policies just tomake things a little bit better
and make people want to stay.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
That's awesome.
One of the other things that Iheard you say, right, is you
know you, as you were exitingyour tenure in the military, you
explored coaching and you wentand the pandemic hit you got,
you went through your program toget certification and going
(09:21):
through those programs because Iwent through a program as well
right, it's a lot of deep, deepdiving, digging, self-reflection
, type things, right.
So, going through that process,what did you learn about the
past version of you goingthrough the military?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
So I'm going to say there wasn't really a past
version of me going through themilitary.
You know, I always like to lookat things from a whole person
standpoint and a lot of some ofthe things I talk to my clients
about.
Why are you making yourself twopeople, Right?
You feel like you're this oneperson at work and then when you
(10:00):
come home you're a completelydifferent person, Right, and a
lot of times the military feelthat way You're one person in
uniform and you're a differentperson.
You know that wasn't me.
I felt like I was the sameperson all the time, but what I
learned about myself after Iretired was like I felt like I
was authentic.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Right.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Because I didn't have to like oh, I got to find
myself.
I didn't have to do that.
It was just like OK, I'm justin different clothing now.
It was a little bit challenginggoing through the closet.
I had to figure out things towear, but when you're in the
military you have a uniform thatyou always know where you're
going to put on.
So for me it was just literallyabout changing from the uniform
(10:42):
into civilian attire and justdo what I love doing, and that
is helping people.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
That's great.
So tell us, take us throughyour coaching journey now.
You came out, you started yourbusiness, you got certified.
What's that journey lookinglike for you now, and who are
the clients that you serve?
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Absolutely so I first , when I started, I dabbled
mostly with consulting.
Leadership is my thing, so Idid a little bit of leadership,
consulting, going and helpingorganizations, just really
figure out, like, do you havethe best structure in place?
I did that.
(11:23):
Figure out like, do you havethe best structure in place?
I did that and while I wasdoing the certification piece,
you know, I was just like, okay,let me like start dabbling,
cause you know we all have toget those hours Right.
So I was like, hey, let mestart with some pro bono stuff.
So I started doing the pro bonowith some of those companies
and found like, yes, this isdefinitely what I want to do and
(11:46):
I'll share with you, mo, when Iwas in the military, I had my
job was a people leader and Inever thought that I would be
able to find something that mademe as happy after I retired.
But I'm so glad to say that wascoaching for me, that same joy
that I got out of that peoplejob that I had in the military.
(12:09):
I get that out of coaching andI will share with you.
You know just started dabblinginto coaching and just building
that clientele.
It was a challenge.
You know, like everybody whenthey first started trying to get
those claims, it can bechallenging right they always
tell you, the biggest complimentis the word of mouth and that
(12:32):
really solidified things for me.
You know a couple of earlyclients referred some people to
me and you know it just sort ofkind of took off from there and
I absolutely loved it.
I do some government contractsand that door is always open.
I love that piece of it.
But I did want to make sure Ididn't box myself in one
(12:54):
particular industry.
So I do government, I docorporate, I do nonprofits, so I
like to really spread thewealth.
And then I went with one otherorganization that targeted
college students when I startedcoaching for them, because I
felt like that was so unique.
We really targeted the juniorsenior level of students and
(13:16):
really helped prepare them to beable to enter into the job
market.
And when I tell you what anexperience that was, it was
fascinating, it was just sorewarding and I'm so glad that I
took the opportunity to do that.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
I can relate to that because I was an adjunct
professor for about 16 years.
The aspect of it that I enjoyedthe most was the mentorship
piece component of it rightHanging out with students after
class, giving them insights,asking them a lot of powerful
questions to make them think andponder on what their next move
(13:55):
is going to be.
I mean that was really fun forme and then that really helped
me set the stage to take thosenext steps to getting my
coaching certification, becausethrough the mentoring process
and working with students, Ididn't really have a
methodological approach in how Ican get them from point A to
(14:17):
point Z.
I was just giving theminformation and just helping the
best way I think I can help.
But you know, with coaching,particularly going through a
certification program, that'swhat they teach you.
They teach you a systematicapproach that you take in this
industry in helping peopleself-discover what their goals
and their insights are so thatthey can move forward and become
(14:41):
a more confident being.
And so that's why I'm like,really excited you know about
you and your discovery foryourself and this role of
coaching that you do.
You also mentioned that you doexecutive and leadership
coaching.
I have my version in how I workwith execs and leaders and the
common language, fears andthings that come up through my
(15:04):
clients.
I want to hear what are some ofthe common issues, barriers
that leaders you work with face.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Absolutely, I think, hands down.
One of the challenges majorityof my clients come to the table
with is self-confidence.
It sort of kind of surprised meat first, right, because I go
you were in the C-suite, likewhat's going on?
But I had to do a littleself-reflection of myself right
(15:38):
as I maneuvered through, youknow, the military structure.
The more senior I got,sometimes I felt like the less
confidence that I had.
And that's what I findsometimes in a lot of my C-suite
clients.
You know they feel like, okay,I have arrived and now I got to
(15:58):
continue to produce at thislevel or even higher, and a lot
of them are afraid of that.
So just really working throughlike, okay, what is your fear?
And nine times out of 10, thatfear is simple it's a fear of
failure.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Right so.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
I ask the question name me one person that you know
that's perfect.
And then they go there's noperfect person.
So why are you trying to makeyourself perfect, right?
Everybody fails at some pointin their life.
It's what you do with thatfailure that really matters.
(16:38):
Do you learn from it and moveon, or do you waddle in that
failure and never be able tomove forward?
I have probably touched on 80percent of my clients in that
particular lane.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
That's interesting because, right, when they're on
the up and come up, they're soconfident they're doing what
they got to do to move theneedle and they consistently
advance, right.
Yes, my curiosity comes fromwhere did the shift happen?
Right, you built to this pointyour success, you're doing your
(17:14):
thing.
All of a sudden, now you'recarrying this worrisome type
belief that you might fail.
Right, and I help clientsbecause I deal with the same
conversations that you just said.
Same conversations, but like,where did it shift?
Why, now that you're at thislevel, you're afraid of failure?
(17:38):
Where in the past, getting tothis level, there was no fear of
that?
What was the shift for you?
And what comes from that?
The burnout.
And they feel as though whenyou rise, you become more
isolated too.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
And when you're isolated, you spend more time in
your head.
Absolutely Right.
When you're more time in yourhead, sometimes our core values
take a back seat.
You're not thinking about that.
It's the what ifs.
That might happen, this mighthappen, blah, blah, blah.
Judgment, judgment, judgment,limiting belief, assumption,
assumption, assumption createthis massive amount of worry
(18:19):
that we carry that we mightpossibly fail.
And because you're in your ownhead, because you've risen to
the point where you don't haveno one to have those
conversations with, that's wherethe power of coaching comes in.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Absolutely, you know.
And then I think there's alittle bit of that imposter
syndrome that sometimes sneak inthere.
You know I share with you thatlike that sometimes sneak in
there.
You know, I share with you thatlike I don't know one person
who hasn't suffered fromimposter syndrome sometime.
But sometimes you do that butit's not really faking it right.
I say it's about learning,right?
(18:56):
You gotta sometimes learn, evenas you progress up into those
positions.
You're not going to knoweverything, so sometimes it's
about taking a step back andlearning something new or maybe
(19:17):
relying on someone else to showyou something different.
So I always say just go andhave an open mind and really
focus and really dig deep.
Do that self-reflection,because if you don't do that you
may be missing something.
Right If you don't do thatself-reflection piece.
But you got to be honest withyourself doing that
(19:39):
self-reflection.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Yep, and then I would add to what you're saying, by
getting the reps in the reps ofcontinuing to develop your
mindset, whatever that lookslike for you and your endeavors.
You got to continue tostrengthen that.
And sometimes, as we buildtowards our career endeavors and
we arrive, we forget that piece.
(20:02):
We need to forget that piece,right?
Because we're distracted by allthe meetings, the tasks that we
need to take care of, and soour personal and professional
development gets kind of put onthe back burner a little bit,
right.
And then there's consequencesof that because now there's more
(20:23):
judgment, because you're inyour own head, because you're
not actively applying repetitionto your mindset to develop, to
continue to develop it.
Yeah, because we're learningbeings, we are always growing,
our mind is always trying tolearn and taking in new things,
(20:44):
and when we pause that, forwhatever reason, unintentional
there's a consequence with thatand sometimes that consequence
is the level of fear that westart to carry around failure.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Yeah, and then think about you know, I'm sure you
know, with some of your clientswe get to a certain level and we
sort of kind of forget aboutourselves.
You know, you just mentionedprofessional development.
I often ask my clients when wasthe last time you developed
yourself professionally?
(21:19):
And they go well, I did thisfor one of my direct reports.
We're not talking about yourdirect report right now, talking
about you.
It was a long time you investedin yourself and, I think, us as
coaches.
It is so important for us to godown that lane with our clients
, like open the door and makethem walk through it, put that
(21:43):
question out there and make themanswer it, cause they'll try
and dodge it all day long and Igo.
Okay, it's been a while.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Right.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
What if you lost your job today?
Right Right, you got aprofession.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Because I also think pressure, like at that level
that you're dealing with, youknow we want results, we need
ROI, right, and we need resultsright now.
So I don't have time to develop, I got to do this, this, this
and this.
With that there's no boundariesfor yourself.
(22:22):
So, because now everyone elseis taking your time and so when
everyone is pulling you thin,absolutely there's no time for
professional development becauseeveryone else has your time.
Well, what are you going to doto guard that for yourself?
Right?
And we are in this society wherenegativity, negativity,
(22:45):
negativity, negativity in oursociety and that contributes to
our mindset as well.
When we invest in professionaland personal development for
ourselves, there's morepositivity to help offset some
of the negative informationthat's coming in, and sometimes
that's what we need, right?
(23:05):
And so when I ask clients, youknow, what are you doing to
offset all of the negativeenvironment?
Not that everyone lives in anegative environment, but we
can't deny that media, media,advertisements, it all creates
some sort of subconsciousnegative context into our being.
(23:29):
When you struggle with certainfears, I believe that you have
to be intentional in how youovercome that, and it starts
with professional and personaldevelopment and you just have to
build it and frame it.
That works best for you.
But if you're never doing that,the fear gets stronger and
(23:50):
stronger, whatever that lookslike.
The limiting belief getsstronger and stronger.
The assumptions get strongerand stronger.
What are your thoughts about it?
Speaker 2 (24:00):
I agree.
I think when people look atprofessional development in
anything, they think of the,maybe the brick and mortar.
Oh, I got to go back to school,I got to like, up my degree
level or whatever.
But I tell people, developmentis so much more than that, right
, development can be anything.
(24:22):
It could be learning fromsomeone already in the workplace
, it could be a certification ora certificate, it could be
going back in a highereducational level.
But you know, I tell people toreally be broad about
development, right, because itcan be so many things.
It could easily be working sideby side with the CEO, like
(24:47):
shadowing somebody.
So you know, I get people toreally just explore the word
development, right, but let'sjust really explore that.
And I go.
If I would say, hey, mo, I wantyou to do some professional
development, what does that looklike to you?
Right, and I just send them outthere, right?
(25:09):
Or I go, I'm your boss and Isay I have $10,000 that I'm
going to give you fordevelopment.
What would you do with it?
Right, you know?
So just getting them to see therealm of possibilities when it
comes to development, I think isso important, because people
are so rooted in the traditionaldefinition of the word.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Right.
I'm glad you brought that up,because when I ask my clients,
what are you doing forprofessional development, the
first thing that they think ofis a training that they have not
taken, that they mean to take.
And you're right, developmentis so much more than that.
Like what podcast are youlistening to?
What books are you readingRight?
(25:54):
What meditation activities areyou incorporating into your
mindset?
All of those type of thingscould be development, right.
And then reflection isdevelopmental opportunities
taking a walk and as you go on a15, 20-minute walk, isolate
yourself to self-reflect andthink about what's next and
(26:16):
things like that, right, andthose ideas that you get.
How do you expand it?
All of that is part ofself-development.
But you're right People put itin this box that I have to
enroll in a class.
I don't have eight hours in aday to go to a training.
It's so much more than justthat.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
And how many times, mo, have you gotten that new
client who goes well, I reallydon't know what this coaching
thing is about.
I really don't think I need it,you know.
But I always say just give methis one session, that's all I
ask.
Give me this one session, andthen we'll go from there and by
the end of that first sessionthey're going I'm all in, I'm
(27:01):
all in, you know.
So just getting them to see thepossibilities of it, right?
So that has happened to me somany times.
Development comes in so manyways and we all need development
, regardless of what stage weare in our lives or careers.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Absolutely.
The common phrase that I hearfrom my clients is damn you, mo,
you're in my head.
How do you know this stuff?
I mean, you just bring so muchwisdom.
That's the common response.
Because you know us as coaches,right, the great thing that we
do.
We create awareness for ourclients through powerful
(27:39):
questions that we ask, Right.
And then, through my experiencewith my clients, they realize,
like damn, I've been in my head,damn you know in a good way,
though.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Absolutely.
I had a client recently.
I had worked with her trying toget a promotion and every time
she felt like she got close theywere going like oh, you know,
we're doing a freeze, we're notdoing any more promotion.
And that happened like foralmost like a year.
And of course, you know, hersession had ran out.
(28:11):
And at the beginning of thisyear I get this message that
says Dee, we did it, I got thepromotion.
I love how she said we did it.
I didn't do anything but coachher.
Right, she did all the hardwork, but her sharing that it
was, you know we.
You know that as a coach, thatmakes you feel good, like all of
(28:31):
the things that you set thisperson up with.
You know they were.
And she, she came to the table.
She was a little reluctantabout coaching, but she came
like I'm going to give this atry.
And she kept coming back, youknow.
So I was like this is a goodthing.
I was so happy to see her.
That growth.
When your clients excel, weexcel as well.
(28:54):
So that just makes us go like,yeah, this is definitely what I
was meant to do.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Absolutely.
And another thing I want tothrow into across the board,
whether it's an exact C-suitetype leader, first time leader,
even a person that's just acareer professional, a lot of
times when they experiencecertain inner barriers and
challenges, they feel in thosemoments there's no choice, they
(29:19):
have no choice, and thatstrengthens the fear and the
limiting belief.
And I think what we do to helpthem through that, we help them
discover the possibilities andregaining their power of choice.
And when they self-discoverthat they have choice in their
(29:41):
particular situation, of whatthey're dealing with, and they
make a choice, whatever that is,they naturally feel better,
absolutely, and they build uponit.
And then that's where theconfidence comes, that's where
the shift starts to happen andthat's where I'm most grateful
(30:01):
in being able to help clients,because across the board, across
the board, all theconversations that I have with
so many different leaders in themoment of the situation, nine
out of 10 times it has to dowith them feeling like they have
no choice in this situation andthey have to accept it.
(30:21):
And that is so, not true.
That is so not true.
And when you have the abilityand the space to talk it out,
get it out of your head, youstart to see the possibilities
all around you and you make adecision, and that's where we
get our power back.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
I agree.
I agree.
I like to be able to show thatleader that they have the
capacity for greatness.
Show that leader that they havethe capacity for greatness,
regardless of what.
The situation is Right.
So yeah, I get it, yep.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
So what's next for you?
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Well, I am currently on the downside of my PhD.
I am writing my dissertation,and what a challenge it has been
.
So much, you know, we talkabout development here.
I am continuing to developmyself.
You know I did 33 years in themilitary, but it was a personal
(31:21):
goal to become Dr D, so I'mworking on that.
When I finish, my desire is toactually write a book focused on
leadership.
You know we talked about howyou can show your leadership
regardless of where you lie inthe organization, so that's
going to be my focus.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Well, congratulations on moving toward your
dissertation and becoming Dr D.
I'm excited for you.
How can my guests find you?
Speaker 2 (31:51):
You can find me.
My main living space isLinkedIn, so I live on LinkedIn.
I'm constantly posting.
You will see my dissertationjourney all across LinkedIn, so
people can find me on LinkedIn.
You can also find me onInstagram at IamCoachD.
So those are my two mainplatforms.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Any lasting thoughts, words, nuggets that you would
like to leave the audience with.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
You know, it's just really about giving back.
I love being a coach, I lovewhat I do.
Like I said, I love helpingpeople.
My why is to empower others toachieve their goal.
I know that and I hope that Iam living that every day when
I'm coaching, going to thesessions, just helping them
(32:41):
realize that if you have a goal,you can achieve it with that
strategy.
So, yeah, everybody needs acoach.
It doesn't matter where youfall out on the organizational
chart.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Absolutely.
I'm there.
Whatever you need, I got you.
I appreciate you.
I enjoyed today's conversation.
You are amazing, you'reoutstanding and please got to
come back.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
After you become Dr D , I got to bring you back.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
I will definitely be what I would love to come back,
thank you.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Thank you for joining me in this episode of let's
Think About it.
Your time and attention aregreatly appreciated.
If you found value in today'sdiscussion, I encourage you to
subscribe on your favoritepodcast platform.
Remember, the journey ofself-improvement is ongoing and
I'm here to support you everystep of the way.
(33:35):
Connect with me on social mediafor updates and insights.
You can find me on Instagramand Facebook, at Coach Mo,
coaching or LinkedIn, at MauriceMabry, or visit my website at
mauricemabrycom for exclusivecontent.
Until next time, keepreflecting, keep growing and,
(33:57):
most importantly, keep believingin yourself.
Remember, the most effectiveway to do it is to do it
Together.
We're making incredible stridestoward a better and more
empowered you, so thank you, andI'll see you in our next
episode.
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