June 1, 2025 • 33 mins
Episode Summary
What happens when success starts to feel like a trap instead of a triumph? In this episode, Coach Mo sits down with executive and career clarity coach Danielle Droitsch to unpack what it really takes to reset your career when you're feeling burned out, unfulfilled, or stuck. Danielle shares her personal pivot from senior leadership in the nonprofit space to building a career rooted in purpose, and reveals how mindset, self-reflection, and courageous action are essential tools for anyone ready to rediscover their “why.” If you're questioning what's next, this episode will help you turn confusion into clarity.
🔑 Key Takeaways
- Burnout Isn’t Always Obvious: Success on the outside can mask deep disconnection on the inside—and it often hits mid-career leaders the hardest.
- Clarity Comes From Action: Danielle explains how taking aligned, imperfect action is key to moving through confusion—not just thinking harder.
- You’re Not Alone in Feeling Stuck: 70% of the global workforce is disengaged. Feeling misaligned isn’t failure—it’s a signal for change.
- Stop Outsourcing Your Purpose: Real career clarity doesn’t come from polls, mentors, or LinkedIn—it starts from within.
- Inner Critic vs. Inner Coach: The voice you listen to most determines whether you stay stuck or start moving.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
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So let's dive in.
Welcome to another episode ofthe let's Think About it podcast
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.
I'm your host, Coach Mo, andI'm here with another amazing
guest, and her name is DanielleDeutsch.
Danielle, what's?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
up.
It's so good to be here.
I'm excited to dive in with you.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I am so excited to have you.
Where are you checking in from?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I live in Salt Lake City, Utah, so here in the very
dusty desert beautiful mountainsthough, and I'm from the
Washington DC area.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
What's the most exciting thing to do in Salt
Lake City?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yeah, so we're at 5,000 feet and we're up on, you
get the Wasatch Mountains andwe're overlooking the Great Salt
Lake.
So we have beautiful mountains,beautiful skiing, beautiful
camping, hiking.
So we're an outdoors family andthat's a big part of our lives
is spending time outdoors.
So that's my thing.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
So tell us who you are, what you do and the type of
value you bring.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
My name is Danielle Troich and I am an executive
leadership and career claritycoach.
I have been working in thenonprofit space for 30 some
years and about 10 years ago Imade a big transition from law
and policy in the environmentalspace to helping others reach
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their full potential, whether aleader or they're thinking about
a career transition.
I had to go through my ownstuff first to become that
person.
Now I love helping peoplefigure it out for themselves.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Okay, you said you had to go through your own stuff
.
Let's explore that a little bit, because I'm sure there's a lot
of my audience who's goingthrough their stuff and can
utilize some insights on how tonavigate through their stuff.
Take us through some of thatstuff you were dealing with and
had to navigate through, andwhat was your approach and what
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does it look like?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah, so I had.
For many years, decades I hadfocused and I still I'm still
very passionate about theprotection of our environment,
clean air, clean water, all ofthat good stuff, and I'd been
there for 30 years, and then Ihit a wall.
The wall felt I wasdisconnected to my job, I was
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maybe a little bored, I wasmaybe feeling a little bit
cranky about what I had to doevery day.
The way I described at the timewas something was missing.
There was something missing andthere's a little part of me
that was like is this it?
Is this my job, is this mycareer?
Because, if this is it, Ididn't think it would feel this
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way and I was at the top of mycareer in the sense that I had
reached a senior leadership role.
I'm working for an organizationthat does incredible, amazing
work, had a great team, greatbudget.
One part of me was like why areyou even thinking this,
danielle?
You should be really happy.
You should be grateful andhappy for what you have.
Another part of me was like I'mjust something's missing here,
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and so that's what the wall feltlike.
The wall feels different todifferent people, because I've
coached a lot of people and youfeel it differently.
But there's a point and usuallyit's mid to senior in your
career You've been around theblock, you've done a bunch of
stuff and something's missing orsomething's not right, and that
happened to me.
And so then I went on thisjourney because I was.
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It took me a couple of years tofigure this out.
It kept coming back, itrecirculated again and again,
and so I kept trying differentthings and eventually I started
to be convinced that it wassomething bigger than just a
tweak to my career.
So I went on a journey and Iactually went part time in my
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job and I took the other parttime that I had available to do
a ton of volunteering.
I was volunteering at domesticviolence, shelter and working
with families immigrating fromAfghanistan.
I just threw myself into allthe things that I thought might
help.
And that journey was a goodjourney because it helped me
figure out what didn't work forme or wasn't the right fit, and
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eventually wasn't a short time,I would say.
My process was about threeyears long.
I came across this world ofcoaching and even then I had to
figure out what that looked like.
But once I experimented and hadto take course to figure that
out I realized, oh my gosh,there's this whole world there
for me and I would never in amillion years would have thought
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this is.
If someone had said, oh, youwere going to be a coach, I'd be
like no way.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
But just how you show up, I'm here, I'm listening to
you doing all of this volunteerwork, and that's what coaching
is giving giving and helping toempower people.
And you went on this journeyfor, like you said, three years,
and that's where the discoveryhappened.
It brought you to coaching.
So I'm going to go here withthis, now that you've discovered
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that this is your passion.
You love helping people.
But what do you do for thosewho are stuck and not know how
to find their purpose and theirpassion, but not necessarily
looking to go into coaching, buthow do you help them find that
alignment?
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah, it's such a fabulous question because
there's a lot of people thatfeel stuck and hit.
The statistic that is reallytroubling is that 70% of the
global workforce and so this isnot just the US, this is
everywhere 70% of the workforceis not engaged in their jobs.
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What does that mean?
It means you don't go to workfeeling happy, you're not
feeling fulfilled, you're thereto get a paycheck.
Don't get me wrong, but that'sa pretty big statistic and
that's a global trajectorythat's been going.
It's not just COVID.
Covid made it a little bitworse, but it's been something
we've been trending toward overthe past several decades and the
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short maybe.
If you ask why the reason is,there's a lot of big issues
where we have a disparitybetween what the workforce is
looking for and what theworkplace is offering.
So that's a bigger conversation.
But if you don't feel, or ifyou feel stuck, you are not
alone.
So that's number one.
Number two is, if you're stuck,usually what's happening is
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you're circulating, just like Idid, with a lot of ideas.
You've got a lot of ideas.
They're probably all good ideas.
Maybe I could do this, maybe Icould do this, maybe I should do
this.
Maybe I should do this.
Maybe I should be anentrepreneur, maybe I should
whatever, and it just circulatesand the stuckness kind of comes
with that sort of circulation.
To get unstuck, we need to getout of our heads.
We need to in some ways.
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We need to be in our heads tofigure this out.
But we also need to get activeand try some things out.
But with my own clients, thefirst thing I do is just
understand that all those ideasare not bad ideas.
There's probably within yourideas list some really golden
things.
Understand what's behind thoseideas a little bit first, before
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you make any choices, andultimately the answer is within
you.
It's not outside, it's not onLinkedIn, it's not on Facebook.
You might have some goodadvisors, you might have some
good friends who you can talk to, but often the real answer is
within us.
And if I could go back and talkto myself 10 years ago, I was
looking outside myself, I wastalking to people, I was reading
books, I was getting onLinkedIn and seeing what other
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people were doing, the answerwas within me.
It was the helper within me.
I've always been a helper, eversince I've been a little girl
and I thought that it was goingto be all being a lawyer, and
that was the way I was going tohelp.
I was going to help by being alawyer and saving the
environment, but in fact I'mgood at that.
I'm not probably the mostamazing lawyer out there, but
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I'm good, but I'm great atcoaching, and so for me it was
discovering the secret sauce.
That's what it is.
It's about figuring out yoursecret sauce, and then that is a
clue, a major clue to what thatnext step should look like.
But you need to start withfiguring out your secret sauce
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before you figure out what thejob is.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
I remember when I was feeling stuck at one point in
my career and in my journey.
I would categorize myself inthat moment of being stuck I was
a lazy thinker.
Here's what I mean by that.
Here's what I mean by thatbeing a lazy thinker.
I didn't challenge myself tothink through and self-reflect
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on what it is that I wanted.
I copped out and said I don'tknow what I want.
And I dismissed it and kept itmoving.
But it kind of kept repeatingitself right, why am I not
making any progress?
And the thought was I don'tknow what I want to do, I don't
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know, I don't know, I don't know.
But I never challenged myselfto think what's really important
to you right now and what's oneaction I can do right now to
take a step forward towardsdiscovering what that looks like
for me?
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And consistently asking myselfthose little questions forced me
to be an active thinker onwhat's important for me and from
that man I've discovered myvalues.
I discovered my why, my purpose.
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All of these things came fromthat.
But in the moment of beingstuck it's very easy to generate
certain fears, limiting beliefsand a lazy thought process
because I didn't want tochallenge myself to get out of
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my own way, so to speak.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Oh, it's incredible to listen to you reflect,
because I was there too.
You were there.
Your listeners are maybe there.
I would say the majority of thepeople that I end up talking to
.
They'll say I just don't know,I just don't know, and they'll
kind of look at me like somehowI'll have the answer for them
and I don't.
There's no way I can have theanswer for them.
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But they're, they're looking atme, hoping I will figure it out
for them.
And yeah, like in a way it islazy thinking.
I mean not to be judgmental,because I was like that.
It sounds like you were likethat too, but the thing is that
you have to change how you'rethinking in order to get unstuck
, and if you're thinking I can'tfigure this out, you won't
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figure it out.
One of the key things that, asyou were talking, that really
hit me as a recognition reallyis that it does take time.
I think that we hope that itwill just strike us like a
lightning bolt, like it willjust hit us, and I don't know
about you, but it didn't hit melike a lightning bolt.
There was moments where I waslike, ooh, I think that's
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interesting, but it wasn't like.
One day I woke up and I waslike that is it day.
I woke up and I was like thatis it?
No, and I don't think it happensto most people.
It is a series of thoughtprocesses, of experimentation,
of investigation, of pushingyourself, of acting, of
experimenting, and it takes time.
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And my pro, I have a programwhere it takes a while.
It takes many months for peopleto work through it and often
they're wow, I can't believeit's taking this much time.
And I'm thinking to myself,yeah, and you're probably going
faster than most people.
The reality is that it doestake time.
When you're going through somesort of transformation whether
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it's a career change, a lifechange, whatever it may be and
you're trying to figure out howdo you want to aim yourself?
What is your North Star?
You got to be patient.
It's hard if you're not apatient person.
I'm not a patient person, I amnot patient at all.
But I am so glad I took thattime because I might have ended
up in some ridiculous field,because whatever my aunt said
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you should do this, becausewhatever my aunt said you should
do this, and what I needed todo is feel it in my heart and I
did.
I felt it in my heart when Ifinally signed up for a course
and I started to coach and Inoticed this alignment within my
heart.
But it wasn't until after.
I was helping others, I workedin the domestic violence shelter
, I was working with therefugees, I was volunteering my
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time, I started to try to, I dida whole bunch of stuff and
every single piece of that addedto my life and it was good and
nothing.
But I do think you're right.
I think it's a combination ofreally challenging ourself and
our minds in a different way,not getting lazy and then
realizing it does take time andit requires action, taking over
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a period of time versusinsisting that something happens
overnight.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
I'm listening to you and I'm smiling, because that
length of time it took me for myself-discovery process could
have been shortened dramatically.
The other aspect of the lazythinking concept that I just
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brought up was I was seekingvalidation from external forces
outside of me, me to find mydiscovery.
Because, as I'm listening tocertain people of what they
think I should be doing, and I'mlistening to them, and then I
go down that path and I'm doingeverything that they recommended
to do, and I'm walking thatpath, but it doesn't feel right.
I feel the purpose isn't reallybeing fulfilled.
And so then it's, this isn'tworking.
(15:37):
Well, let me try this, I'lltalk to this other person, I'll
talk to this, I get this advice,I do this and this, and at the
end of the day, I still wasn'tgoing back to what's important
to me.
And then here's the other piece,the judgment of self, because
if I go against the grain ofwhat other people think I should
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do or should be doing, thenwhat are they going to be
thinking of me?
Yes, and I'm beating myself up.
I'm beating myself up, and it'sjust like you said, that length
process, that long process.
So now that you're goingthrough these, I was going
through trial and error, trialand error and then at one point
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you go through that, whatever ittook to get to that bottom, and
he was like I know for me itwas losing my job.
It was losing a job and thengetting coaching.
And then we got to the root andI discovered coaching,
mentoring, counseling,consulting All of that is my
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realm, that's where I thrive atand I discovered that.
But that's how we get in ourown way right.
We're looking for thoseexternal validations from people
outside of us and not trustingour inner selves to oh my gosh,
you know what I mean Anybodylistening.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
This is really important point, because we do
get in our own way.
Of course, we've had our ourpath so far.
And guess who helped create ourpath?
Our parents, our school, ourcollege, our university, our
church, our friends, ourneighbors.
And we have and that's our sortof social self, and we have
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this societal expectations, andthat's a good thing, it's nice
to have a good society, but whathappens is we end up trending
toward this sort of it's.
It's just like it's almost likewe're wearing a cloak.
It's oh, coach Mo, or theydidn't call you coach Mo then,
but this is what he did, and soI'm going to give him advice
based on what he did before.
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And, in a way, this is almostthe worst thing that we can do
for our friends.
In fact, with my own clients,when my clients go out and ask
the world, I tell them to dothis.
I give them a little exerciseto go out and try to help figure
out their superpowers and theirsecret sauce, and I say go to
your most trusted friends orfamily.
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Just, you trust them like tothe core.
Do not ask them what they thinkyou should do.
That's not what we're doinghere.
All you need to know is whatthey think your special talents
are, and the reason I do that isbecause we often don't even
notice our special talents.
We're just natural and innate.
So it's great to get feedbackfrom people on how they see your
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talent.
What's John's special sauce?
What is Jen's?
What is she really good at?
That's really good data.
That's really helpful.
But the moment you cross overinto what should Jen do, what
should John do, then immediatelyyou go into that category of
social self and what we want toget to is our essential selves.
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Our essential selves are whoyou are as a kiddo, when you're
out there and you're on theplayground, and just what really
inspires and and draws you.
And for me as a kid I was, Iremember it vividly they would
give us those little cartons,the milk cartons, and then you'd
have to go around theneighborhood and fill them up
with coins.
I was that kid.
I would go around for povertyor hunger or something like that
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, door to door to collect money,because I was so concerned
about the people who were hungryand it was like I was driven to
get as much money as possiblefor these hungry people, and
that's how I've always been ahelper, always from the very
youngest age.
But then I decided oh yeah, Iwant to be a lawyer.
A lawyer sounds good.
I think I should be a lawyer.
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And when I finally figured outthat I'm a helper and the best
way for me to help is to helpother people reach their full
potential, figure out theircareer path, help them be good
leaders and so on, I had to goand this was really hard to go
on LinkedIn and I had to post Iam yeah, business, that's a
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legitimate fear.
I was.
It was hard because I thoughtpeople were going to be like
let's just be honest, not allcoaches are made equal.
So for lawyers, by the way, too, it's the same thing.
But coaching people areskeptical, and so on.
And even when you get yourcertification, you build clients
, you do all this trainingpractice.
Anyway, for me to go out intothe world and say, hey, I do
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this now.
Now it's changed.
I have people who come to mewho are my former colleagues and
they're like, hey, I want torefer you.
But at that time it was alittle bit like what are you
doing, lady?
Like why are you leaving?
It's scary.
And yet I needed to do that tobecome my more of my central
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self.
So it's crucial what youpointed out about this idea of
judgment, because sure, you cango and pave the path you've
always paved, but if you believethis may be your one life maybe
you don't, but maybe if youbelieve this is your life right
now, then you know this is it.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Man, you hit something because you said
central self, and I'm thinkingback when we were kids, when I
was a kid and you go to the parkand you're Central South, you
just play with whoever you'refree, you're climbing up.
There's just no fear.
You're doing whatever you feellike doing in that moment and
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it's fun.
There's no judgment.
You're approaching people kids,that's doing certain things.
You're approaching them, askingto play, things like that.
Then we become these adults.
Now we have all of this fearjust filtered in into our
consciousness.
Oh, I can't approach thatperson.
What would they think of me ifI approached them and asked them
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about their business?
What would they think of me ifI posted this on such and such?
And then you finally, just likeyou said on LinkedIn, you
finally drive up the courage todo your first post on.
Then there's another fear thatcomes, another judgment that
comes after you make the post.
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There's not a lot of peopleliking my post.
Maybe I'm not a good coach,maybe I did something wrong.
Maybe I should really rethinkthis whole posting thing.
Now you move into this otherarea and just going back to
being a kid, we didn't have anyof that.
We didn't have any of that atan early age we were just having
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fun enjoying life.
And then, as we get older,society, culture, family, our
environments, mentors, justacross the board they all
influence our consciousness.
Tvs, everything, and itgenerates certain viewpoints,
beliefs, from that space.
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And so now you carry a certainset of lenses and as you
approach different dynamics,certain fears pop up.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
And people hold themselves back and they stay in
jobs they hate.
They stay in mayberelationships that are bad for
them.
They never break out of theirshell and make really.
What it comes down to is risk.
If you were going to ask me thequestion, danielle, how'd it go
for you on this whole, comingout and saying you're a coach?
I would say I've made a millionmistakes.
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I have fallen flat on my face,but I've also picked myself back
up and I've failed a lot inorder to get to the place where
I am.
I think you have to fail a lot.
I really I think you have tofail and fail again.
And if you are afraid offailure, guess what?
It's going to be pretty hardfor you to make the shifts to
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create the fulfilling life andcareer you want.
But if you're okay with fallingon your face and be like
whatever we all do, think aboutit.
If you go onto any YouTubeanything these days it's all
about people failing Then whatwe just be okay with making a
mistake when I worked at thedomestic violence shelter.
I put a lot of work into gettingto that role and it's a very
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meaningful part of my life nowand I feel very strongly about
that issue.
But I remember being there andworking with women and men who
are in abusive situations and Iwas like, wow, I really don't
want to do this as a profession.
It just was not for me at alland I was thinking I've made a
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horrible mistake.
And that's not true.
In fact it's not a terriblemistake.
It was a great thing for me tolearn.
But every day I have to do I'veI try new things out every day.
Oh, maybe I should try this,maybe I should try that, maybe I
should work with that kind ofclient, maybe I should open this
kind of program.
But when you are the beginningof a transition, of trying to
figure out what the direction ofyour life or career looks like,
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you have to be open to failingand whatever that feels like.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I would like to edify what you're saying around.
Failure, right?
Not failure in a sense that youcarry self-pity and you suck
and don't do this.
Failure in a sense that withoutit, there's no opportunity to
learn.
And that's how we grow throughcertain desires that we're
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wasn't able to achieve in thatparticular moment, yes, and in
that moment of not achieving it,what's the opportunity?
The learning opportunity togrow, yeah, and we, we
characterize that word failureas that.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Exactly yes.
Here's a great case in point.
I work with people who arecareer transition people and
right now May 2025, things arenot looking great in the job
marketplace and people areworried about the economy and
opportunities and, in fact,people are hunkering down more.
I don't know.
I think I'm just going to stayright where I am Not going to
make any changes.
But people look around.
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They say, okay, I'll play.
So what about?
You see that job, or you seesomething you might want to go
for?
Maybe you apply right, maybeyou decide let me just see what
happens, and I'm a big proponentof like why not just see?
Take a moment, If you don't getthe interview, you get the big
no reaction, which is reallyhard because you maybe put a lot
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of time in the application andthen there's no response.
Is that failure?
Probably not.
You could see it as failure.
You could see it as oh my, myresume didn't even get looked at
.
Look at me I can't even get aninterview for this position over
here, and the reality is thatyou just tried.
You just put yourself out thereand experimented with something
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.
So when I started being a coachand this may have happened to
you too you need to like.
You might not get hiredinitially, or you might not get
callbacks, or people are notreaching out to you, or I'm not
getting a lot of clients, orwhatever.
It is.
When you start anything new,any business, it takes a little
work and maybe you make amistake or maybe whatever, and
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it's hard.
So if I had just taken the time, if I had looked at all those
signals early in my coachingcareer as oh, people don't hire
me, I have hardly any clients IfI had done that, I would have
closed up my shop and gone home.
But the reality is that's notthe reaction that's going to
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help me grow.
What do I learn from that?
And from there is where yougrow is through adversity.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
The other question is what's your self-reflection
process?
When things doesn't go to you,go your way.
How are you self-reflecting?
And then, what is the narrativeof the thought?
Is it positive feel of it or isit this negative feel of it?
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Yeah, inner critic or innercoach, which one shows up?
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Which one shows up.
That's exactly right, and yougot to stop yourself before you
get, because it's easy.
We have a negativity bias inour brains, so, of course, the
inner critics right there, readyto go.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
We all have it Ready to talk you down, make you feel
small, tell you you're not goodenough, make you feel like
you're stupid, but then yourinner coach is the one that's
let's think through this.
There can be an opportunitythat we're not seeing right now.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
What was interesting about that Wow, good for you for
actually even trying which isself-compassion.
What could I do differentlynext time so that I could move
forward?
But that's a growth mindsetwhich we want our kids to have,
and all the parents out there.
We want our kids to bounce backfrom adversity.
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We want them to pick themselvesup when they fall down.
We got to do it too, as parentsand as adults.
But we forget, and so then weallow the inner critic and then
we shut down and we don't takeaction.
So the big difference betweenthose who figure it out and move
forward and those who don't areusually has to do with how they
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treat the challenges in theirlife.
It's not the amazingopportunities and the lucky you
hear stories about.
I don't know why Oprah is in mymind, but Oprah talks about it
all the time.
She doesn't.
She doesn't talk about everyopportunity was thrown my way.
That's not how she talks aboutit.
She talks about how had to pickherself back up over and over
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and over again after lots ofadversity, and then look at her
now but it wasn't because thingsjust worked out, and that is
true for just about all of us.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Man, I bet your clients are lucky to have you as
their coach.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Oh, you're so sweet.
Same for you.
You've got to help.
There's all these people outthere that really need to be
helped.
I needed help way back when.
I'm sure you needed help too.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Yeah, I always need help.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
I always need help too.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
But who are your clients?
Speaker 2 (30:10):
They're mid to senior in their career, so they've
been around for 15, up to 30, 35years and usually it's they've
hit some wall the same wall thatI hit and they're trying to
figure out what comes next.
And sometimes they'regovernment, sometimes they're
academic, sometimes they'renonprofit, sometimes they're
corporate.
But usually it's not just aboutthe mighty dollar anymore
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Climbing the ladder.
It's not making more moneyalthough more money is always
good it's really aboutfulfillment.
So those are my clients.
If they've got five, 10, 15more years in the workforce,
they can make it meaningful,make it real and make it high
impact.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Okay, and how can you be found?
Speaker 2 (30:49):
You can find me on LinkedIn.
I love to connect, so connectwith me on LinkedIn, and I have
a free training I offer whichhelps people figure out career
clarity, and so we'll try tomake that available as well how
to figure out your next step.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Tell me about the free offering.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
It's a training on for those who are swimming in
their ideas about what couldcome next.
It's all about how we need tothink about what that next
career step looks like and howstrengths, in particular, your
superpowers, figure into it, andwhy skills matter but not as
much as superpowers, and why youdon't have to go back to school
.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Okay, okay, okay, and they get that off your website,
or?
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Yeah, or yeah, we can include in the show notes or
they can get off my website aswell.
Message me on LinkedIn and I'llget it to you.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Okay, and you want to tell us the website?
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Yes, that's right.
The website is time forwellbeing, so time for the
number for wellbeingcom.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
All right, and as we get ready to sign out, any
lasting thoughts or message youwould like to leave for the
audience?
Speaker 2 (31:59):
I would say it's never doubt what is possible,
never doubt that you can reachyour full potential, that you
can actually make it happen.
It's a long and winding road.
It's not an easy road, but I'veseen so many people go from
lost to feeling like they havefound their path, and it just
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takes tenacity, action and agreat mindset.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Miss Danielle, thank you so much.
I really enjoyed today's talk.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Same coach Mo.
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Thank you for joining me in this episode of let's
Think About it.
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If you found value in today'sdiscussion, I encourage you to
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Remember, the journey ofself-improvement is ongoing and
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Until next time, keepreflecting, keep growing and,
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Welcome to another episode ofthe let's Think About it podcast
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.
I'm your host, Coach Mo, andI'm here with another amazing
guest, and her name is DanielleDeutsch.
Danielle, what's?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
up.
It's so good to be here.
I'm excited to dive in with you.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I am so excited to have you.
Where are you checking in from?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I live in Salt Lake City, Utah, so here in the very
dusty desert beautiful mountainsthough, and I'm from the
Washington DC area.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
What's the most exciting thing to do in Salt
Lake City?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yeah, so we're at 5,000 feet and we're up on, you
get the Wasatch Mountains andwe're overlooking the Great Salt
Lake.
So we have beautiful mountains,beautiful skiing, beautiful
camping, hiking.
So we're an outdoors family andthat's a big part of our lives
is spending time outdoors.
So that's my thing.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
So tell us who you are, what you do and the type of
value you bring.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
My name is Danielle Troich and I am an executive
leadership and career claritycoach.
I have been working in thenonprofit space for 30 some
years and about 10 years ago Imade a big transition from law
and policy in the environmentalspace to helping others reach
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their full potential, whether aleader or they're thinking about
a career transition.
I had to go through my ownstuff first to become that
person.
Now I love helping peoplefigure it out for themselves.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Okay, you said you had to go through your own stuff
.
Let's explore that a little bit, because I'm sure there's a lot
of my audience who's goingthrough their stuff and can
utilize some insights on how tonavigate through their stuff.
Take us through some of thatstuff you were dealing with and
had to navigate through, andwhat was your approach and what
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does it look like?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah, so I had.
For many years, decades I hadfocused and I still I'm still
very passionate about theprotection of our environment,
clean air, clean water, all ofthat good stuff, and I'd been
there for 30 years, and then Ihit a wall.
The wall felt I wasdisconnected to my job, I was
(03:47):
maybe a little bored, I wasmaybe feeling a little bit
cranky about what I had to doevery day.
The way I described at the timewas something was missing.
There was something missing andthere's a little part of me
that was like is this it?
Is this my job, is this mycareer?
Because, if this is it, Ididn't think it would feel this
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way and I was at the top of mycareer in the sense that I had
reached a senior leadership role.
I'm working for an organizationthat does incredible, amazing
work, had a great team, greatbudget.
One part of me was like why areyou even thinking this,
danielle?
You should be really happy.
You should be grateful andhappy for what you have.
Another part of me was like I'mjust something's missing here,
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and so that's what the wall feltlike.
The wall feels different todifferent people, because I've
coached a lot of people and youfeel it differently.
But there's a point and usuallyit's mid to senior in your
career You've been around theblock, you've done a bunch of
stuff and something's missing orsomething's not right, and that
happened to me.
And so then I went on thisjourney because I was.
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It took me a couple of years tofigure this out.
It kept coming back, itrecirculated again and again,
and so I kept trying differentthings and eventually I started
to be convinced that it wassomething bigger than just a
tweak to my career.
So I went on a journey and Iactually went part time in my
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job and I took the other parttime that I had available to do
a ton of volunteering.
I was volunteering at domesticviolence, shelter and working
with families immigrating fromAfghanistan.
I just threw myself into allthe things that I thought might
help.
And that journey was a goodjourney because it helped me
figure out what didn't work forme or wasn't the right fit, and
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eventually wasn't a short time,I would say.
My process was about threeyears long.
I came across this world ofcoaching and even then I had to
figure out what that looked like.
But once I experimented and hadto take course to figure that
out I realized, oh my gosh,there's this whole world there
for me and I would never in amillion years would have thought
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this is.
If someone had said, oh, youwere going to be a coach, I'd be
like no way.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
But just how you show up, I'm here, I'm listening to
you doing all of this volunteerwork, and that's what coaching
is giving giving and helping toempower people.
And you went on this journeyfor, like you said, three years,
and that's where the discoveryhappened.
It brought you to coaching.
So I'm going to go here withthis, now that you've discovered
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that this is your passion.
You love helping people.
But what do you do for thosewho are stuck and not know how
to find their purpose and theirpassion, but not necessarily
looking to go into coaching, buthow do you help them find that
alignment?
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah, it's such a fabulous question because
there's a lot of people thatfeel stuck and hit.
The statistic that is reallytroubling is that 70% of the
global workforce and so this isnot just the US, this is
everywhere 70% of the workforceis not engaged in their jobs.
(07:08):
What does that mean?
It means you don't go to workfeeling happy, you're not
feeling fulfilled, you're thereto get a paycheck.
Don't get me wrong, but that'sa pretty big statistic and
that's a global trajectorythat's been going.
It's not just COVID.
Covid made it a little bitworse, but it's been something
we've been trending toward overthe past several decades and the
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short maybe.
If you ask why the reason is,there's a lot of big issues
where we have a disparitybetween what the workforce is
looking for and what theworkplace is offering.
So that's a bigger conversation.
But if you don't feel, or ifyou feel stuck, you are not
alone.
So that's number one.
Number two is, if you're stuck,usually what's happening is
(07:53):
you're circulating, just like Idid, with a lot of ideas.
You've got a lot of ideas.
They're probably all good ideas.
Maybe I could do this, maybe Icould do this, maybe I should do
this.
Maybe I should do this.
Maybe I should be anentrepreneur, maybe I should
whatever, and it just circulatesand the stuckness kind of comes
with that sort of circulation.
To get unstuck, we need to getout of our heads.
We need to in some ways.
(08:18):
We need to be in our heads tofigure this out.
But we also need to get activeand try some things out.
But with my own clients, thefirst thing I do is just
understand that all those ideasare not bad ideas.
There's probably within yourideas list some really golden
things.
Understand what's behind thoseideas a little bit first, before
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you make any choices, andultimately the answer is within
you.
It's not outside, it's not onLinkedIn, it's not on Facebook.
You might have some goodadvisors, you might have some
good friends who you can talk to, but often the real answer is
within us.
And if I could go back and talkto myself 10 years ago, I was
looking outside myself, I wastalking to people, I was reading
books, I was getting onLinkedIn and seeing what other
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people were doing, the answerwas within me.
It was the helper within me.
I've always been a helper, eversince I've been a little girl
and I thought that it was goingto be all being a lawyer, and
that was the way I was going tohelp.
I was going to help by being alawyer and saving the
environment, but in fact I'mgood at that.
I'm not probably the mostamazing lawyer out there, but
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I'm good, but I'm great atcoaching, and so for me it was
discovering the secret sauce.
That's what it is.
It's about figuring out yoursecret sauce, and then that is a
clue, a major clue to what thatnext step should look like.
But you need to start withfiguring out your secret sauce
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before you figure out what thejob is.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
I remember when I was feeling stuck at one point in
my career and in my journey.
I would categorize myself inthat moment of being stuck I was
a lazy thinker.
Here's what I mean by that.
Here's what I mean by thatbeing a lazy thinker.
I didn't challenge myself tothink through and self-reflect
(10:12):
on what it is that I wanted.
I copped out and said I don'tknow what I want.
And I dismissed it and kept itmoving.
But it kind of kept repeatingitself right, why am I not
making any progress?
And the thought was I don'tknow what I want to do, I don't
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know, I don't know, I don't know.
But I never challenged myselfto think what's really important
to you right now and what's oneaction I can do right now to
take a step forward towardsdiscovering what that looks like
for me?
(10:53):
And consistently asking myselfthose little questions forced me
to be an active thinker onwhat's important for me and from
that man I've discovered myvalues.
I discovered my why, my purpose.
(11:16):
All of these things came fromthat.
But in the moment of beingstuck it's very easy to generate
certain fears, limiting beliefsand a lazy thought process
because I didn't want tochallenge myself to get out of
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my own way, so to speak.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Oh, it's incredible to listen to you reflect,
because I was there too.
You were there.
Your listeners are maybe there.
I would say the majority of thepeople that I end up talking to
.
They'll say I just don't know,I just don't know, and they'll
kind of look at me like somehowI'll have the answer for them
and I don't.
There's no way I can have theanswer for them.
(12:00):
But they're, they're looking atme, hoping I will figure it out
for them.
And yeah, like in a way it islazy thinking.
I mean not to be judgmental,because I was like that.
It sounds like you were likethat too, but the thing is that
you have to change how you'rethinking in order to get unstuck
, and if you're thinking I can'tfigure this out, you won't
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figure it out.
One of the key things that, asyou were talking, that really
hit me as a recognition reallyis that it does take time.
I think that we hope that itwill just strike us like a
lightning bolt, like it willjust hit us, and I don't know
about you, but it didn't hit melike a lightning bolt.
There was moments where I waslike, ooh, I think that's
(12:46):
interesting, but it wasn't like.
One day I woke up and I waslike that is it day.
I woke up and I was like thatis it?
No, and I don't think it happensto most people.
It is a series of thoughtprocesses, of experimentation,
of investigation, of pushingyourself, of acting, of
experimenting, and it takes time.
(13:08):
And my pro, I have a programwhere it takes a while.
It takes many months for peopleto work through it and often
they're wow, I can't believeit's taking this much time.
And I'm thinking to myself,yeah, and you're probably going
faster than most people.
The reality is that it doestake time.
When you're going through somesort of transformation whether
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it's a career change, a lifechange, whatever it may be and
you're trying to figure out howdo you want to aim yourself?
What is your North Star?
You got to be patient.
It's hard if you're not apatient person.
I'm not a patient person, I amnot patient at all.
But I am so glad I took thattime because I might have ended
up in some ridiculous field,because whatever my aunt said
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you should do this, becausewhatever my aunt said you should
do this, and what I needed todo is feel it in my heart and I
did.
I felt it in my heart when Ifinally signed up for a course
and I started to coach and Inoticed this alignment within my
heart.
But it wasn't until after.
I was helping others, I workedin the domestic violence shelter
, I was working with therefugees, I was volunteering my
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time, I started to try to, I dida whole bunch of stuff and
every single piece of that addedto my life and it was good and
nothing.
But I do think you're right.
I think it's a combination ofreally challenging ourself and
our minds in a different way,not getting lazy and then
realizing it does take time andit requires action, taking over
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a period of time versusinsisting that something happens
overnight.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
I'm listening to you and I'm smiling, because that
length of time it took me for myself-discovery process could
have been shortened dramatically.
The other aspect of the lazythinking concept that I just
(15:17):
brought up was I was seekingvalidation from external forces
outside of me, me to find mydiscovery.
Because, as I'm listening tocertain people of what they
think I should be doing, and I'mlistening to them, and then I
go down that path and I'm doingeverything that they recommended
to do, and I'm walking thatpath, but it doesn't feel right.
I feel the purpose isn't reallybeing fulfilled.
And so then it's, this isn'tworking.
(15:37):
Well, let me try this, I'lltalk to this other person, I'll
talk to this, I get this advice,I do this and this, and at the
end of the day, I still wasn'tgoing back to what's important
to me.
And then here's the other piece,the judgment of self, because
if I go against the grain ofwhat other people think I should
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do or should be doing, thenwhat are they going to be
thinking of me?
Yes, and I'm beating myself up.
I'm beating myself up, and it'sjust like you said, that length
process, that long process.
So now that you're goingthrough these, I was going
through trial and error, trialand error and then at one point
(16:24):
you go through that, whatever ittook to get to that bottom, and
he was like I know for me itwas losing my job.
It was losing a job and thengetting coaching.
And then we got to the root andI discovered coaching,
mentoring, counseling,consulting All of that is my
(16:46):
realm, that's where I thrive atand I discovered that.
But that's how we get in ourown way right.
We're looking for thoseexternal validations from people
outside of us and not trustingour inner selves to oh my gosh,
you know what I mean Anybodylistening.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
This is really important point, because we do
get in our own way.
Of course, we've had our ourpath so far.
And guess who helped create ourpath?
Our parents, our school, ourcollege, our university, our
church, our friends, ourneighbors.
And we have and that's our sortof social self, and we have
(17:29):
this societal expectations, andthat's a good thing, it's nice
to have a good society, but whathappens is we end up trending
toward this sort of it's.
It's just like it's almost likewe're wearing a cloak.
It's oh, coach Mo, or theydidn't call you coach Mo then,
but this is what he did, and soI'm going to give him advice
based on what he did before.
(17:51):
And, in a way, this is almostthe worst thing that we can do
for our friends.
In fact, with my own clients,when my clients go out and ask
the world, I tell them to dothis.
I give them a little exerciseto go out and try to help figure
out their superpowers and theirsecret sauce, and I say go to
your most trusted friends orfamily.
(18:13):
Just, you trust them like tothe core.
Do not ask them what they thinkyou should do.
That's not what we're doinghere.
All you need to know is whatthey think your special talents
are, and the reason I do that isbecause we often don't even
notice our special talents.
We're just natural and innate.
So it's great to get feedbackfrom people on how they see your
(18:38):
talent.
What's John's special sauce?
What is Jen's?
What is she really good at?
That's really good data.
That's really helpful.
But the moment you cross overinto what should Jen do, what
should John do, then immediatelyyou go into that category of
social self and what we want toget to is our essential selves.
(18:59):
Our essential selves are whoyou are as a kiddo, when you're
out there and you're on theplayground, and just what really
inspires and and draws you.
And for me as a kid I was, Iremember it vividly they would
give us those little cartons,the milk cartons, and then you'd
have to go around theneighborhood and fill them up
with coins.
I was that kid.
I would go around for povertyor hunger or something like that
(19:22):
, door to door to collect money,because I was so concerned
about the people who were hungryand it was like I was driven to
get as much money as possiblefor these hungry people, and
that's how I've always been ahelper, always from the very
youngest age.
But then I decided oh yeah, Iwant to be a lawyer.
A lawyer sounds good.
I think I should be a lawyer.
(19:43):
And when I finally figured outthat I'm a helper and the best
way for me to help is to helpother people reach their full
potential, figure out theircareer path, help them be good
leaders and so on, I had to goand this was really hard to go
on LinkedIn and I had to post Iam yeah, business, that's a
(20:05):
legitimate fear.
I was.
It was hard because I thoughtpeople were going to be like
let's just be honest, not allcoaches are made equal.
So for lawyers, by the way, too, it's the same thing.
But coaching people areskeptical, and so on.
And even when you get yourcertification, you build clients
, you do all this trainingpractice.
Anyway, for me to go out intothe world and say, hey, I do
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this now.
Now it's changed.
I have people who come to mewho are my former colleagues and
they're like, hey, I want torefer you.
But at that time it was alittle bit like what are you
doing, lady?
Like why are you leaving?
It's scary.
And yet I needed to do that tobecome my more of my central
(20:48):
self.
So it's crucial what youpointed out about this idea of
judgment, because sure, you cango and pave the path you've
always paved, but if you believethis may be your one life maybe
you don't, but maybe if youbelieve this is your life right
now, then you know this is it.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Man, you hit something because you said
central self, and I'm thinkingback when we were kids, when I
was a kid and you go to the parkand you're Central South, you
just play with whoever you'refree, you're climbing up.
There's just no fear.
You're doing whatever you feellike doing in that moment and
(21:27):
it's fun.
There's no judgment.
You're approaching people kids,that's doing certain things.
You're approaching them, askingto play, things like that.
Then we become these adults.
Now we have all of this fearjust filtered in into our
consciousness.
Oh, I can't approach thatperson.
What would they think of me ifI approached them and asked them
(21:50):
about their business?
What would they think of me ifI posted this on such and such?
And then you finally, just likeyou said on LinkedIn, you
finally drive up the courage todo your first post on.
Then there's another fear thatcomes, another judgment that
comes after you make the post.
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There's not a lot of peopleliking my post.
Maybe I'm not a good coach,maybe I did something wrong.
Maybe I should really rethinkthis whole posting thing.
Now you move into this otherarea and just going back to
being a kid, we didn't have anyof that.
We didn't have any of that atan early age we were just having
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fun enjoying life.
And then, as we get older,society, culture, family, our
environments, mentors, justacross the board they all
influence our consciousness.
Tvs, everything, and itgenerates certain viewpoints,
beliefs, from that space.
(22:55):
And so now you carry a certainset of lenses and as you
approach different dynamics,certain fears pop up.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
And people hold themselves back and they stay in
jobs they hate.
They stay in mayberelationships that are bad for
them.
They never break out of theirshell and make really.
What it comes down to is risk.
If you were going to ask me thequestion, danielle, how'd it go
for you on this whole, comingout and saying you're a coach?
I would say I've made a millionmistakes.
(23:25):
I have fallen flat on my face,but I've also picked myself back
up and I've failed a lot inorder to get to the place where
I am.
I think you have to fail a lot.
I really I think you have tofail and fail again.
And if you are afraid offailure, guess what?
It's going to be pretty hardfor you to make the shifts to
(23:47):
create the fulfilling life andcareer you want.
But if you're okay with fallingon your face and be like
whatever we all do, think aboutit.
If you go onto any YouTubeanything these days it's all
about people failing Then whatwe just be okay with making a
mistake when I worked at thedomestic violence shelter.
I put a lot of work into gettingto that role and it's a very
(24:10):
meaningful part of my life nowand I feel very strongly about
that issue.
But I remember being there andworking with women and men who
are in abusive situations and Iwas like, wow, I really don't
want to do this as a profession.
It just was not for me at alland I was thinking I've made a
(24:30):
horrible mistake.
And that's not true.
In fact it's not a terriblemistake.
It was a great thing for me tolearn.
But every day I have to do I'veI try new things out every day.
Oh, maybe I should try this,maybe I should try that, maybe I
should work with that kind ofclient, maybe I should open this
kind of program.
But when you are the beginningof a transition, of trying to
figure out what the direction ofyour life or career looks like,
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you have to be open to failingand whatever that feels like.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I would like to edify what you're saying around.
Failure, right?
Not failure in a sense that youcarry self-pity and you suck
and don't do this.
Failure in a sense that withoutit, there's no opportunity to
learn.
And that's how we grow throughcertain desires that we're
(25:21):
wasn't able to achieve in thatparticular moment, yes, and in
that moment of not achieving it,what's the opportunity?
The learning opportunity togrow, yeah, and we, we
characterize that word failureas that.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Exactly yes.
Here's a great case in point.
I work with people who arecareer transition people and
right now May 2025, things arenot looking great in the job
marketplace and people areworried about the economy and
opportunities and, in fact,people are hunkering down more.
I don't know.
I think I'm just going to stayright where I am Not going to
make any changes.
But people look around.
(26:05):
They say, okay, I'll play.
So what about?
You see that job, or you seesomething you might want to go
for?
Maybe you apply right, maybeyou decide let me just see what
happens, and I'm a big proponentof like why not just see?
Take a moment, If you don't getthe interview, you get the big
no reaction, which is reallyhard because you maybe put a lot
(26:28):
of time in the application andthen there's no response.
Is that failure?
Probably not.
You could see it as failure.
You could see it as oh my, myresume didn't even get looked at
.
Look at me I can't even get aninterview for this position over
here, and the reality is thatyou just tried.
You just put yourself out thereand experimented with something
(26:50):
.
So when I started being a coachand this may have happened to
you too you need to like.
You might not get hiredinitially, or you might not get
callbacks, or people are notreaching out to you, or I'm not
getting a lot of clients, orwhatever.
It is.
When you start anything new,any business, it takes a little
work and maybe you make amistake or maybe whatever, and
(27:11):
it's hard.
So if I had just taken the time, if I had looked at all those
signals early in my coachingcareer as oh, people don't hire
me, I have hardly any clients IfI had done that, I would have
closed up my shop and gone home.
But the reality is that's notthe reaction that's going to
(27:32):
help me grow.
What do I learn from that?
And from there is where yougrow is through adversity.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
The other question is what's your self-reflection
process?
When things doesn't go to you,go your way.
How are you self-reflecting?
And then, what is the narrativeof the thought?
Is it positive feel of it or isit this negative feel of it?
(27:59):
Yeah, inner critic or innercoach, which one shows up?
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Which one shows up.
That's exactly right, and yougot to stop yourself before you
get, because it's easy.
We have a negativity bias inour brains, so, of course, the
inner critics right there, readyto go.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
We all have it Ready to talk you down, make you feel
small, tell you you're not goodenough, make you feel like
you're stupid, but then yourinner coach is the one that's
let's think through this.
There can be an opportunitythat we're not seeing right now.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
What was interesting about that Wow, good for you for
actually even trying which isself-compassion.
What could I do differentlynext time so that I could move
forward?
But that's a growth mindsetwhich we want our kids to have,
and all the parents out there.
We want our kids to bounce backfrom adversity.
(28:55):
We want them to pick themselvesup when they fall down.
We got to do it too, as parentsand as adults.
But we forget, and so then weallow the inner critic and then
we shut down and we don't takeaction.
So the big difference betweenthose who figure it out and move
forward and those who don't areusually has to do with how they
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treat the challenges in theirlife.
It's not the amazingopportunities and the lucky you
hear stories about.
I don't know why Oprah is in mymind, but Oprah talks about it
all the time.
She doesn't.
She doesn't talk about everyopportunity was thrown my way.
That's not how she talks aboutit.
She talks about how had to pickherself back up over and over
(29:37):
and over again after lots ofadversity, and then look at her
now but it wasn't because thingsjust worked out, and that is
true for just about all of us.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Man, I bet your clients are lucky to have you as
their coach.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Oh, you're so sweet.
Same for you.
You've got to help.
There's all these people outthere that really need to be
helped.
I needed help way back when.
I'm sure you needed help too.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Yeah, I always need help.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
I always need help too.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
But who are your clients?
Speaker 2 (30:10):
They're mid to senior in their career, so they've
been around for 15, up to 30, 35years and usually it's they've
hit some wall the same wall thatI hit and they're trying to
figure out what comes next.
And sometimes they'regovernment, sometimes they're
academic, sometimes they'renonprofit, sometimes they're
corporate.
But usually it's not just aboutthe mighty dollar anymore
(30:32):
Climbing the ladder.
It's not making more moneyalthough more money is always
good it's really aboutfulfillment.
So those are my clients.
If they've got five, 10, 15more years in the workforce,
they can make it meaningful,make it real and make it high
impact.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Okay, and how can you be found?
Speaker 2 (30:49):
You can find me on LinkedIn.
I love to connect, so connectwith me on LinkedIn, and I have
a free training I offer whichhelps people figure out career
clarity, and so we'll try tomake that available as well how
to figure out your next step.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Tell me about the free offering.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
It's a training on for those who are swimming in
their ideas about what couldcome next.
It's all about how we need tothink about what that next
career step looks like and howstrengths, in particular, your
superpowers, figure into it, andwhy skills matter but not as
much as superpowers, and why youdon't have to go back to school
.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Okay, okay, okay, and they get that off your website,
or?
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Yeah, or yeah, we can include in the show notes or
they can get off my website aswell.
Message me on LinkedIn and I'llget it to you.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Okay, and you want to tell us the website?
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Yes, that's right.
The website is time forwellbeing, so time for the
number for wellbeingcom.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
All right, and as we get ready to sign out, any
lasting thoughts or message youwould like to leave for the
audience?
Speaker 2 (31:59):
I would say it's never doubt what is possible,
never doubt that you can reachyour full potential, that you
can actually make it happen.
It's a long and winding road.
It's not an easy road, but I'veseen so many people go from
lost to feeling like they havefound their path, and it just
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takes tenacity, action and agreat mindset.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Miss Danielle, thank you so much.
I really enjoyed today's talk.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Same coach Mo.
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Thank you for joining me in this episode of let's
Think About it.
Your time and attention aregreatly appreciated.
If you found value in today'sdiscussion, I encourage you to
subscribe on your favoritepodcast platform.
Remember, the journey ofself-improvement is ongoing and
I'm here to support you everystep of the way.
(32:53):
Connect with me on social mediafor updates and insights.
You can find me on Instagramand Facebook, at Coach Mo,
coaching or LinkedIn, at MauriceMabry, or visit my website at
mauricemabrycom for exclusivecontent.
Until next time, keepreflecting, keep growing and,
(33:16):
most importantly, keep believingin yourself.
Remember, the most effectiveway to do it is to do it
Together.
We're making incredible stridestoward a better and more
empowered you, so thank you, andI'll see you in our next
episode.
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