September 22, 2025 • 33 mins
Episode Summary
Coach Mo reconnects with longtime friend and consultant Robynne Rose-Haymer for a conversation that blends personal truth with practical strategy. Robynne shares how mindfulness, gratitude, and a strong support squad help her navigate life’s peaks and valleys while refusing to let fear or the inner critic dictate her path. From doctoral studies to nonprofit leadership, she brings a lived perspective on resilience, reflection, and continuous learning. Coach Mo then introduces his S.W.A.G.™ framework—Self-awareness, Why-power, Aligned Action, and Grit—as a proven structure leaders can use to take small daily steps that add up to lasting growth. Together, they outline a recipe for shifting from self-doubt into momentum, reminding us that fear is often “false evidence appearing real” and that true leadership begins with vision and self-awareness.
Key Takeaways
- Mindfulness as a superpower: Daily breathing, gratitude, and self-reflection recalibrate energy in valleys.
- Reframe fear: Replace “Why me?” with “Why not me?” and treat fear as False Evidence Appearing Real.
- Continuous learning mindset: Curiosity and reflection open doors to growth when resources and answers aren’t obvious.
- S.W.A.G.™ framework (Coach Mo): Build Self-awareness, connect to Why-power, take Aligned Action, and cultivate Grit to stay on course.
- Detours ≠ derailment: Like MapQuest, knowing your starting and ending point helps you reroute with confidence when life shifts.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Welcome to the let's Think About it podcast, where we
embark on a journey ofthoughtfulness and personal
growth.
I'm your host, Coach Mo, andI'm here to guide you through
thought-provoking discussionsthat will inspire you to unlock
your full potential.
In each episode, we'll explorea wide range of topics, from
self-discovery and mindfulnessto goal-setting and achieving
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success.
Together, we'll challengeconventional thinking and dive
deep into the realms ofpossibility.
Whether you're looking to findclarity in your personal or
professional life, or seekingstrategies to overcome obstacles
, this podcast is your go-tosource for insightful
conversations and practicaladvice.
So find a comfortable spot,chill and let's embark on this
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journey of self-improvementtogether.
Remember, the power oftransformation lies within you,
and together we'll uncover thetools and insights you need to
make it happen.
So let's dive in.
Welcome to another episode ofthe let's Think About it podcast
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.
I'm your host, Coach Mo, andI'm here with another amazing
guest, my longtime friend, RobinRose Hamer.
What's up?
How you doing?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
I'm doing great.
I am super glad that we wereable to connect.
It has been a roller coasterwith these schedules, but we are
here now and I am happy aboutit.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I don't think our audience know how far we go back
, so would you give them theprivilege to let our audience
know how far do we go back?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
I think one of the things that we are both
extremely grateful for is we goback before social media, and I
know there are things in yourlife and mine that we are so
incredibly glad that it was notpossible to Snapchat or TikTok
or record.
We didn't even have recordingdevices.
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We have been rocking since 1990.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
That is true, and we may have fallen off the grid
here and there, but every timeand building businesses and all
of that that we could stayconnected virtually.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
And so for that I am grateful for both Facebook and
LinkedIn, because I get to stayconnected to you in that way,
absolutely.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Robin, tell us who you are, what you and the value
that you bring to others.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Oh, mo, okay.
So who I am first is a motherof three amazing, wonderful,
tremendously great humans whoare now adults, and the
grandmother, if I could be sobold, of two amazing humans.
So that's my reason for beingmy raison d'etre is my children
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and grandchildren.
And I am also a student.
I am a doctoral student at theUniversity of San Francisco
studying education, and I am afull-time consultant in this
world of political strategy andprofessional development.
And in my spare time it'sreally important for me to sit
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on nonprofit boards, so I amproviding board service to four
organizations.
I also really enjoy a goodglass of wine, so I also am a
wine drinker wine, so I also ama wine drinker.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Wow, thank you.
Because this platform we focuson helping people get out of
their own damn way.
Dealing with that punk as innercritic.
You mentioned consulting aroundprofessional development.
I'm going to have to pick yourbrain a little bit to help my
audience.
I know your journey's been longand it's been a fascinating
journey.
I can assume, and I know, youhad some peaks and some valleys.
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So take us through your processand when you hit those valleys,
how does the inner credittypically shows up for you and
how do you deal with it?
How do you navigate it?
What's your strategy?
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I love this question for a lot of reasons, because it
builds on the previous ask,which is what value do I bring?
Peaks and valleys are commonand I think starting with that
mindset helps to be able tonavigate them.
People who are surprised bypeaks and valleys, those are the
folks that, in my experience,have the most difficult journey,
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because we shouldn't besurprised that we have highs and
lows.
I had highs and lows today, letalone over this career.
I have learned that mindfulnessis a superpower and being
present with myself and beingvery attuned to what are the
signals and signs for my bodyLike?
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Am I hearing from my gut?
Am I hearing from my heart?
Am I hearing from my head?
What do each of those thingsmean?
And, honestly, it starts byhaving a good plan.
You talk about a journey and Ifrequently tell people MapQuest,
which I know is not how peoplefind their way places anymore.
But bear with me.
Mapquest requires you to have astarting location and an ending
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location and knowledge ofstreets and routes and traffic.
If you do not have an exactbeginning location and do not
have an exact ending location,you're going to end up somewhere
, but probably not in the placethat you were hoping to go.
So having goals helps tocalibrate those directions and
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helps to calibrate when you getveered off course.
When there are detours in life,at least you have a way to
reroute and you can keep youreye on where you intend to go.
So when valleys come, I engagein a few strategies If it's a
temporary setback, mindfulbreathing, just to make sure
that I'm in control of the onlything that I am in situations,
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which is me, and then followthat up with.
Everybody needs to complain,cry, rant, rail.
So having a good squad alsohelps to be able to navigate the
valleys, because people whoknow you and care about you and
are interested in your journeyand your goals, those folks are
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the people that you can go backto and they can help you find
your way again, help youremember your purpose.
And then I think the last andmost important thing is like a
structured way of being.
So every day, before I hit thefloor, I say prayer, I remember
what I am grateful for, andgratitude has gotten me through
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many of this conversation with.
I am always better six feet overthan six feet under, and there
are people who didn't wake upthis morning, and so for that I
have another opportunity,another shot at getting this
right and achieving this goal,and so being very clear, about
which I am grateful, is anotherway that I navigate those
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valleys.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
How did you generate the awareness to develop
mindfulness?
Because most people we're juston autopilot and they're just
going through life, but there'san aspect of mindfulness that
you have to have some sort ofawareness to think mindfulness.
So where did that come from foryou?
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Listen, when you beat your head on the same wall a
whole bunch of times and thenwhen you back up your head, you
get ready to hit your head onemore time and you notice there's
a spot and you start toinvestigate, like why is there a
spot?
And you start to investigatelike why is there a spot on the
wall where I always hit my head?
And then finally it dawns onyou that doing the same thing
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over and over again is thedefinition of insanity.
That's where mindfulness beganfor me.
So it wasn't a huge revelation.
There were no angels thatappeared or a star.
I was sick and tired of beingsick and tired.
I had to start thinking OK, sothe only thing in these
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situations that don't work outfor you, the only commonality,
robin, is you.
So maybe you need to dosomething different to make sure
that some of the rest of thesethings fall into line, and so
self-realization only matters ifyou are getting ready to engage
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in action.
Right, so there's therealization part.
But then you have to dosomething, and that doesn't
always happen like bang, likeone right after the other, and
it was slow going for me.
And that happens because I wasfocused on kids, I was focused
on family, I was focused on justputting one foot in front of
the other, and survival in thosecases is way more important
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than self-actualization.
An opportunity to sit withyourself in those quiet places
and you realize that you're notwhere you want to be and you
start to reflect on how you'vegotten to this place that you
are in life.
It requires some recalibration,and that's where that goal
setting starts, right In thequiet, self-reflective moments,
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and it starts with what do Iwant?
Where do I want to be?
How am I going to get there?
Comes way after the figuringout what I want.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Yeah, I like that word reflection and coming from
our backgrounds, that's nottaught.
You go through life, you justexperience it.
No one teaches you how to haveself-awareness, or at least I
wasn't taught to haveself-awareness.
I wasn't taught to effectivelythink through things.
I was the first in mygeneration to go to college and
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so while we were at college,figuring it out as we go, but I
think, to reiterate your point,banging your head on the wall,
doing the same thing over andover, that was me right.
I was thinking to myself why doI keep doing this to myself?
Why does this happen to me?
And then I'm looking at thenext person in which I'm
thinking I'm better than thatperson, I'm more knowledgeable
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than that person.
You get in these moments atleast I would get in these
moments and I would haveself-pity about myself.
But during that self-pityprocess at a younger age, I was
asking myself why, how do I findout more?
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How do I do this?
How do I do that?
And it wasn't for me.
I think it was like 2010,.
I hit a point where me and mywife was coming back from our
vacation our first yearanniversary and I get the pink
slip and that just like droppedme.
That was a gut shot.
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That hit me because me, robin,I've always been that guy that's
always trying to strive and bethe best version of myself and
in that moment I didn'tunderstand how could something
like that happen to me?
Why me?
And then I went into this pitymode and then, for me, that's
how I was discovered.
I discovered coaching, becausethis coach started working with
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me and I was just like, oh, mygoodness, wow, this is great.
And she pulled me out of thisrut.
And I think that's the keyright, because as we navigate
through our lives, there'salways two sides of the coin.
There's the worst case scenarioand the best case scenario.
We naturally focus on worstcase scenario.
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So when things hit the fan, wego into this worst case scenario
mode that promotes avoidance,that promotes stay away, don't
touch that.
But the growth actually happens, naturally when you go through
the fear, when you approach it,when you challenge the inner
critic, and so, over a durationof time, you learn to flip it.
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Why me to?
Why not me?
You feel me.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
I do and I appreciate really the framing because you
use the word growth and that'salways been important to me as
an educator.
You use the word growth andthat's always been important to
me as an educator.
Having a growth mindset versusa scarcity mindset puts you in a
position to receive, puts youin a position to learn, gives
you the desire to be acontinuous learner, and that's
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how you buck yourself out of abad situation, right, like.
However you got to thatsituation, you're not going to
get out from what you were doing, so you have to do something
different.
So it requires recalibration,it maybe requires some new tools
and, to your point, like youmet with a coach and that
sparked your thought about maybeI should be a coach Now.
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Mo, I've known you a long time.
You were an athlete when I metyou, so you knew a lot about
coaching and you knew a lot ofcoaches.
So even then you were coachablebut you hadn't really made the
leap into coaching.
You had to get situationallypushed into an arena that you
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were uncomfortable and, to useyour words, experiencing some
fear about maybe what was goingto happen with your family.
And then you were like, wait aminute, I do have these skills.
I do know how this works.
I have had this experience.
So that's the other thing thathelps me is when I start to feel
fear, I remember it's falseevidence appearing real.
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So fear oftentimes is masked aslike this big, scary thing, when
in fact all it is a bunch ofuntruths that your inner critic
has told yourself or some otherrude, uncaring person whose
opinion about you shouldn'tmatter anyway, and that is what
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weighs us down.
So I will tell you another waythat I've gotten through and it
has helped as I've aged, andthat is knowing that what other
people think of me is reallynone of my business Damn
business man.
That is mind blowing, becausewhen you are freed from the
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opinions of everyone else andlisten, I had a mama who had
lots of opinions, so it was hardto get freed from those
opinions.
I have friends who have lots ofopinions.
It was hard to get freed fromthose opinions, but once I gave
myself permission to say, theiropinion belongs to them and
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that's fine.
But what I think of me and whatI want for myself and what I
need is the most important thing.
That's where you know truesuccess.
That's where peaks started tohappen, was when I realized that
I defined who I was and what Ineeded and how I should get
there.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
That's powerful, right.
The reality is people areworried about how they damn
about you and what you got goingon.
But we think other people isworried about what we got going
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on, and that is so not true.
And the other thing is wenaturally carry these judgments
about ourselves and I call themthese energy blocks, right, the
limiting beliefs, theinterpretations, the assumptions
, the inner critic.
It's all flawed.
But then you tie your voice tothe judgment that's in your mind
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and that inner critic istalking and it sounds like you,
it's believable, it sounds soreal and you listen to it.
And each time it limits you, ittalks you out of what's really
important.
God gives us the spirit, or theuniverse, whoever you believe
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in.
You have this spirit inside ofyou and we all do.
We have it and it's guiding us,it's telling us man, here's an
idea, try this.
And then that voice, that innercritic, the people going to
think, if I do this, x and Yright, and you totally just
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avoid it, dismiss it, don't try,for whatever the judgment is
that you carry, and then youwonder why things haven't
shifted for you, because we'veall are blessed with certain
spirits that's trying to guideus.
You can't be guided if you'reconsistently distracted by the
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limiting beliefs that you'recarrying.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
That's true, and until we achieve the next step
to get to what is for us, we'regoing to be in the same place.
And I think what you're sayingis how I've felt and how I've
coached and case managed andsupported people, and that is
you don't win the whole race thefirst day you start training.
There's levels to this, and soif you have a goal, just because
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you didn't achieve it in dayone, doesn't mean that goal is
not for you.
It means you have to prepareyourself.
You have to get your mind, yourbody, your spirit all in
alignment to be ready to receivethat which is for you, and so I
really appreciate youruplifting of that spirit that's
within us.
One of my favorite poems is thatMarianne Williamson poem.
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Right Like the idea that we areall meant to shine, there is no
dullness in any of us, and soif we lean in and discover and
get curious and do the work, wecan find it, we can achieve it,
and it isn't by any means simple.
The more huge, the more epicyour goal is, the harder it is
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to achieve, but when you alignyourself to your vision, it gets
a lot easier your vision, itgets a lot easier.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
It does, because that vision is the picture.
We think in pictures and if wedon't learn how to train our
mind to formulate the pictures,it's hard to get that desired
outcome because there's nopicture to go after, right.
But if you have the picture,the image, and you feel it, you
know how it would feel once Iget that.
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Whatever that image is rightNow, you're emotionally
connected to the image.
So now, when the voice comes,the inner critic starts sharing
that you should stop, you shouldquit, you shouldn't do this and
this it's easier to dismiss it,it's easier to challenge it,
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because you got this image rightin your right, in your
forefront, that you're goingafter and I'm not going to let
anything stop me from achievingit.
And I tell this to a lot of myclients think about it when you
really wanted something did youget it.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Yeah, a hundred percent of the time.
I think you are speaking mylanguage, mostly because I love
to nerd out on adult learningtheory, and so this idea of
scaffolding, right Like thisidea of attaching what you need
to know to what you already know, is vitally important in adult
learning.
And so this picture descriptionthat you created actually can
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come in a variety of differentforms.
It can be icons, it can be amug, a saying on a mug.
I wanted to go to France.
I wanted to go to France so bad, so I just started buying
everything with Eiffel Towers onit.
My screensaver was an EiffelTower and then I started saving
money to go to France, and thenI started planning a trip with
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my friends to go to France.
So I was able to see it to yourpoint and then align my life
and my vision to be able toevidence it, that tangible
reminder of a goal.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
It's huge, it's gigantic.
And I was doing this, notknowing I was doing this, at an
early age, because part Iremember my vision was I want to
play college football.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
And during that time, I was there, you did it.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
I did it right.
But we all came in together andit was just a large group of
players and things like that andpeople start falling off.
But I stuck to my vision.
I was like, no, I'm notquitting regardless.
And we're talking like early90s, right?
So there was some racism andstuff like that going on at
Davis and all of that crazystuff.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
But no scholarships.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Yes, no, scholarships , everything was financial aid,
getting the extra loans andstuff like that.
But I had that image that, no,this is what I want to do and I
did it and that's with anythingin our lives.
And I think we lose sight ofthat because faith as a whole is
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so hard to see the unseen inyour faith wavers, because you
can't see the unseen within us.
Whatever that picture isworking towards that picture and
we can't see it working towardsthat picture.
So because we can't see theinner workings that's moving us
towards the picture, we losebelief.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
And that's true.
You mentioned that we don'tknow what we don't know, and
that Johari window is the thingthat gets so many adults,
because we start to harm ourself, because we reject anything
that we didn't know, that wedidn't know, as not being true.
And so that's another reasonwhy being a continuous learner
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is so incredibly valuable andimportant to people with goals,
because there's a lot of thingswe don't know, that we don't
know.
If we can at least exposeourselves to what's out there in
the world, it provides us, toyour point, a picture of okay, I
know that I don't know how tofix a car, but now I know how to
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find an engine.
Ok, I know that I don't know howto fix a car, but now I know
how to find an engine.
So at least when I watch aYouTube video, I have some
context about what I'm lookingfor.
And now I've read the manualfor my car and so I know where
the oil goes.
Now I've never been to an autoparts store and that's scary,
but I'm going to go into theauto parts store with my new
knowledge that I know what kindof oil that my car takes and I
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know where it goes.
So now I can go into the autoparts store and feel confident
that I can ask for help, becausethere are so many people who
don't feel like they'recompetent enough to even ask for
help, which is why your job isso important Exactly.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
But we're in an environment where there's so
many resources.
Now you've got chat, gpt, aithat's surpassing the search
engines, so you can just ask theAI a certain question and I can
create a foundation approach,just a foundation to start the
journey of creating a vision.
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Whatever that looks like, youcan leverage it from that
viewpoint.
I don't know what I need to door what's next for me.
You could type in this is whereI am in my life, Give me some
recommendations, what should besome next steps for me, and just
start there.
Just start there.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
That's it, asking questions.
But see, that's developing aspirit of curiosity, that's
being a continuous learner.
So I think if we were lining upright, like our playbook, you
and me, it's time for us tostart creating this recipe.
First thing is get curious.
Don't get depressed, don't quit,be curious about what comes
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next and then gather information.
And you don't have to takeeverything at face value To your
point about chat GPT.
Sure, ask it, but then youbetter ask for some backup
resources or references, becausechat GPT is not 100% right
either.
Right, it was created by people.
So you need to make sure thatyou're doing your due diligence
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Exactly.
The information or directionthat you've been given is right.
Like how many times hassomebody given you directions to
someplace and you're like letme just check with Google Maps
and make sure exactly how theymisremembered that last turn.
I was supposed to go leftinstead of go, and if you go
right, when you're supposed togo left, it takes you a long
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time to get back around thatblock.
So, confirming the directionsand then start figuring out what
resources you need, right, youdon't have to have them all at
once, but at least knowing whatyour goal is.
When I was planning to go toFrance, in my mind it was this
huge, unobtainable number, andwhen we started planning I was
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like, oh, I can do that in ayear and a half.
And so then I started saving.
But right, as long as it'ssomething that I can't conceive
of.
I can't see it.
Then it becomes impossible.
So we're putting together apretty good recipe mom.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
The other thing is I teach this framework is swag.
Get your swag back and it'sreally.
People may think of it asconfidence, but it is.
That's the element of swag.
But the swag that I teach theframework of it is
self-awareness understandingthat inner critic, having a
vision, goals, all of that, yourvalues.
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That creates self-awareness.
Why power?
Your purpose, why am I doingwhat I'm doing?
It's just that simple.
Why power?
And then there's the alignedaction.
Okay, you identify your purpose, you know what actions.
Right now, one action that'sgoing to propel me forward
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towards my overall goal You'retaking these baby steps and over
time, that cultivates intolarger steps and when you look
around, you turn your head andlook back you didn't walk the
mile.
That's aligned action.
What can I do today that'sgoing to propel me forward to
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create my tomorrow?
And then, finally, grit Havingthe determination to not quit on
your version of what successlooks like, regardless of what
people think.
And if you have swag,self-awareness, why power?
Aligned action and grit, you'llget to your goal.
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You'll get to that visionBecause, at the end of the day,
when you look back, I don't carewho you are and there's
something that you really wantedswag was present.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
A hundred percent.
And I love the analogy and theinference because I think that
whole concept of fake it tillyou make it was like the
beginning part of swag right.
How many times have we heard ifyou are feeling bad, get up,
take a shower, put your clotheson and get out.
Don't just sit in the house,don't just lay around and not
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brush your teeth Like you got toget up and get moving because
two things a body in motionstays in motion, a body at rest
stays at rest.
So we got to go with thephysics.
But then the other part of thatis what you said, and that is
just take the first step right.
The journey of a thousand milesstarts with a single step.
So to your point, you lookbehind you and you've walked a
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mile already and all you had togo was two.
So it's really important to getup and get started.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
So, lastly, who are you serving what you do and how
do you help people?
Speaker 2 (28:32):
So I've always believed in the mantra to whom
much is given, much is expected.
And I've been given so muchgrace in my life and I am
incredibly humbled by mypositionality.
And, as I mentioned, I sit on afew nonprofit boards.
One of them is a nonprofitorganization that serves young
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people in elementary schoolsit's an afterschool program and
I serve in the capacity ofproviding technical support both
to the nonprofit organizationand also to the programming side
.
I am sitting on the board.
It's given me great pleasure tohave worked with people who are
experiencing homelessness overthe past seven years, so I'm
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really grateful to get anopportunity to hear about what
kind of research Kaiser isstarting to work on and provide
input.
I have a really greatopportunity to work with my
leadership program and I'mcurrently serving as the
president of our investment club.
And that for me, mo, that wasmy stretch right.
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I didn't know anything aboutinvesting.
I am very grateful to have satas a student for a number of
years and then be put in aposition that my organizational
gift, my gift of being able tohelp create positive
organizations, has been upliftedin that space.
I also am a former member of theBenioff Housing and
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Homelessness Initiative at UCSF,a member of one of their lived
expert boards, and in all ofthese spaces I'm super grateful
because I realized that it's myjob to hold the door open for
somebody else.
So I spent 18 years working forElk Grove Unified School
District as a job developer, andso anytime somebody I know
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needs a job they're like Robin,I know you got jobs Tell me
where I can get a job, and I'mso happy to be able to share
that knowledge with people,because most of the time it just
sits in my inbox.
Honestly, I was connectingpeople, so I do that a lot.
I see myself as a connector andI see myself as a hub of
information for people.
So that's how I'm in service.
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That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
That's awesome, and how can our audience get a hold
of you if they wanted to connectand take your offer on some of
this information that you mayhave to share?
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Absolutely.
I'm a big LinkedIn user.
I'm not big on any of the othersocials, but find me on
LinkedIn.
My name is uniquely spelled.
It's right there for you on thescreen.
I encourage you to reach outand definitely we'll tag all
this information in the chat ofthe podcast when it comes out.
The most important thing I wantpeople to know is just to reach
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out.
I love sharing information andI think it's really important.
I focus on growth mindset right.
So the more you know, thebetter we all are.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
For our audio audience who can't see.
How do you spell your name andfind you on LinkedIn?
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Sure, I'm Robin R-O-B-Y-N-N-E and my last name
is Rose.
Just like the flower R-O-S-Ehyphen, great Y'all, non
grammatically lovers, that's adash.
H-a-y-m-e-r.
Robin Rose Hamer.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
There it is.
There it is.
I appreciate you.
Thank you for sharing yourwisdom with me.
I love this talk.
I'm going to have to bring youon again.
We're going to have to do thisagain because this went by too
fast, but I really do appreciateyou.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Thanks, Mo.
I appreciate the opportunity.
I'm so happy that the rest ofthe world gets to know the Mo
that I've known for 35 years and, yeah, obviously I'd be happy
to come back.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Thank you.
Thank you for joining me inthis episode of let's Think
About it.
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Remember, the journey ofself-improvement is ongoing and
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Welcome to another episode ofthe let's Think About it podcast
(01:20):
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I'm your host, Coach Mo, andI'm here with another amazing
guest, my longtime friend, RobinRose Hamer.
What's up?
How you doing?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
I'm doing great.
I am super glad that we wereable to connect.
It has been a roller coasterwith these schedules, but we are
here now and I am happy aboutit.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I don't think our audience know how far we go back
, so would you give them theprivilege to let our audience
know how far do we go back?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
I think one of the things that we are both
extremely grateful for is we goback before social media, and I
know there are things in yourlife and mine that we are so
incredibly glad that it was notpossible to Snapchat or TikTok
or record.
We didn't even have recordingdevices.
(02:17):
We have been rocking since 1990.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
That is true, and we may have fallen off the grid
here and there, but every timeand building businesses and all
of that that we could stayconnected virtually.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
And so for that I am grateful for both Facebook and
LinkedIn, because I get to stayconnected to you in that way,
absolutely.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Robin, tell us who you are, what you and the value
that you bring to others.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Oh, mo, okay.
So who I am first is a motherof three amazing, wonderful,
tremendously great humans whoare now adults, and the
grandmother, if I could be sobold, of two amazing humans.
So that's my reason for beingmy raison d'etre is my children
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and grandchildren.
And I am also a student.
I am a doctoral student at theUniversity of San Francisco
studying education, and I am afull-time consultant in this
world of political strategy andprofessional development.
And in my spare time it'sreally important for me to sit
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on nonprofit boards, so I amproviding board service to four
organizations.
I also really enjoy a goodglass of wine, so I also am a
wine drinker wine, so I also ama wine drinker.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Wow, thank you.
Because this platform we focuson helping people get out of
their own damn way.
Dealing with that punk as innercritic.
You mentioned consulting aroundprofessional development.
I'm going to have to pick yourbrain a little bit to help my
audience.
I know your journey's been longand it's been a fascinating
journey.
I can assume, and I know, youhad some peaks and some valleys.
(04:33):
So take us through your processand when you hit those valleys,
how does the inner credittypically shows up for you and
how do you deal with it?
How do you navigate it?
What's your strategy?
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I love this question for a lot of reasons, because it
builds on the previous ask,which is what value do I bring?
Peaks and valleys are commonand I think starting with that
mindset helps to be able tonavigate them.
People who are surprised bypeaks and valleys, those are the
folks that, in my experience,have the most difficult journey,
(05:08):
because we shouldn't besurprised that we have highs and
lows.
I had highs and lows today, letalone over this career.
I have learned that mindfulnessis a superpower and being
present with myself and beingvery attuned to what are the
signals and signs for my bodyLike?
(05:29):
Am I hearing from my gut?
Am I hearing from my heart?
Am I hearing from my head?
What do each of those thingsmean?
And, honestly, it starts byhaving a good plan.
You talk about a journey and Ifrequently tell people MapQuest,
which I know is not how peoplefind their way places anymore.
But bear with me.
Mapquest requires you to have astarting location and an ending
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location and knowledge ofstreets and routes and traffic.
If you do not have an exactbeginning location and do not
have an exact ending location,you're going to end up somewhere
, but probably not in the placethat you were hoping to go.
So having goals helps tocalibrate those directions and
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helps to calibrate when you getveered off course.
When there are detours in life,at least you have a way to
reroute and you can keep youreye on where you intend to go.
So when valleys come, I engagein a few strategies If it's a
temporary setback, mindfulbreathing, just to make sure
that I'm in control of the onlything that I am in situations,
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which is me, and then followthat up with.
Everybody needs to complain,cry, rant, rail.
So having a good squad alsohelps to be able to navigate the
valleys, because people whoknow you and care about you and
are interested in your journeyand your goals, those folks are
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the people that you can go backto and they can help you find
your way again, help youremember your purpose.
And then I think the last andmost important thing is like a
structured way of being.
So every day, before I hit thefloor, I say prayer, I remember
what I am grateful for, andgratitude has gotten me through
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many of this conversation with.
I am always better six feet overthan six feet under, and there
are people who didn't wake upthis morning, and so for that I
have another opportunity,another shot at getting this
right and achieving this goal,and so being very clear, about
which I am grateful, is anotherway that I navigate those
(07:47):
valleys.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
How did you generate the awareness to develop
mindfulness?
Because most people we're juston autopilot and they're just
going through life, but there'san aspect of mindfulness that
you have to have some sort ofawareness to think mindfulness.
So where did that come from foryou?
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Listen, when you beat your head on the same wall a
whole bunch of times and thenwhen you back up your head, you
get ready to hit your head onemore time and you notice there's
a spot and you start toinvestigate, like why is there a
spot?
And you start to investigatelike why is there a spot on the
wall where I always hit my head?
And then finally it dawns onyou that doing the same thing
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over and over again is thedefinition of insanity.
That's where mindfulness beganfor me.
So it wasn't a huge revelation.
There were no angels thatappeared or a star.
I was sick and tired of beingsick and tired.
I had to start thinking OK, sothe only thing in these
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situations that don't work outfor you, the only commonality,
robin, is you.
So maybe you need to dosomething different to make sure
that some of the rest of thesethings fall into line, and so
self-realization only matters ifyou are getting ready to engage
(09:13):
in action.
Right, so there's therealization part.
But then you have to dosomething, and that doesn't
always happen like bang, likeone right after the other, and
it was slow going for me.
And that happens because I wasfocused on kids, I was focused
on family, I was focused on justputting one foot in front of
the other, and survival in thosecases is way more important
(09:36):
than self-actualization.
An opportunity to sit withyourself in those quiet places
and you realize that you're notwhere you want to be and you
start to reflect on how you'vegotten to this place that you
are in life.
It requires some recalibration,and that's where that goal
setting starts, right In thequiet, self-reflective moments,
(09:59):
and it starts with what do Iwant?
Where do I want to be?
How am I going to get there?
Comes way after the figuringout what I want.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Yeah, I like that word reflection and coming from
our backgrounds, that's nottaught.
You go through life, you justexperience it.
No one teaches you how to haveself-awareness, or at least I
wasn't taught to haveself-awareness.
I wasn't taught to effectivelythink through things.
I was the first in mygeneration to go to college and
(10:31):
so while we were at college,figuring it out as we go, but I
think, to reiterate your point,banging your head on the wall,
doing the same thing over andover, that was me right.
I was thinking to myself why doI keep doing this to myself?
Why does this happen to me?
And then I'm looking at thenext person in which I'm
thinking I'm better than thatperson, I'm more knowledgeable
(10:53):
than that person.
You get in these moments atleast I would get in these
moments and I would haveself-pity about myself.
But during that self-pityprocess at a younger age, I was
asking myself why, how do I findout more?
(11:16):
How do I do this?
How do I do that?
And it wasn't for me.
I think it was like 2010,.
I hit a point where me and mywife was coming back from our
vacation our first yearanniversary and I get the pink
slip and that just like droppedme.
That was a gut shot.
(11:37):
That hit me because me, robin,I've always been that guy that's
always trying to strive and bethe best version of myself and
in that moment I didn'tunderstand how could something
like that happen to me?
Why me?
And then I went into this pitymode and then, for me, that's
how I was discovered.
I discovered coaching, becausethis coach started working with
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me and I was just like, oh, mygoodness, wow, this is great.
And she pulled me out of thisrut.
And I think that's the keyright, because as we navigate
through our lives, there'salways two sides of the coin.
There's the worst case scenarioand the best case scenario.
We naturally focus on worstcase scenario.
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So when things hit the fan, wego into this worst case scenario
mode that promotes avoidance,that promotes stay away, don't
touch that.
But the growth actually happens, naturally when you go through
the fear, when you approach it,when you challenge the inner
critic, and so, over a durationof time, you learn to flip it.
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Why me to?
Why not me?
You feel me.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
I do and I appreciate really the framing because you
use the word growth and that'salways been important to me as
an educator.
You use the word growth andthat's always been important to
me as an educator.
Having a growth mindset versusa scarcity mindset puts you in a
position to receive, puts youin a position to learn, gives
you the desire to be acontinuous learner, and that's
(13:09):
how you buck yourself out of abad situation, right, like.
However you got to thatsituation, you're not going to
get out from what you were doing, so you have to do something
different.
So it requires recalibration,it maybe requires some new tools
and, to your point, like youmet with a coach and that
sparked your thought about maybeI should be a coach Now.
(13:30):
Mo, I've known you a long time.
You were an athlete when I metyou, so you knew a lot about
coaching and you knew a lot ofcoaches.
So even then you were coachablebut you hadn't really made the
leap into coaching.
You had to get situationallypushed into an arena that you
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were uncomfortable and, to useyour words, experiencing some
fear about maybe what was goingto happen with your family.
And then you were like, wait aminute, I do have these skills.
I do know how this works.
I have had this experience.
So that's the other thing thathelps me is when I start to feel
fear, I remember it's falseevidence appearing real.
(14:16):
So fear oftentimes is masked aslike this big, scary thing, when
in fact all it is a bunch ofuntruths that your inner critic
has told yourself or some otherrude, uncaring person whose
opinion about you shouldn'tmatter anyway, and that is what
(14:36):
weighs us down.
So I will tell you another waythat I've gotten through and it
has helped as I've aged, andthat is knowing that what other
people think of me is reallynone of my business Damn
business man.
That is mind blowing, becausewhen you are freed from the
(14:58):
opinions of everyone else andlisten, I had a mama who had
lots of opinions, so it was hardto get freed from those
opinions.
I have friends who have lots ofopinions.
It was hard to get freed fromthose opinions, but once I gave
myself permission to say, theiropinion belongs to them and
(15:21):
that's fine.
But what I think of me and whatI want for myself and what I
need is the most important thing.
That's where you know truesuccess.
That's where peaks started tohappen, was when I realized that
I defined who I was and what Ineeded and how I should get
there.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
That's powerful, right.
The reality is people areworried about how they damn
about you and what you got goingon.
But we think other people isworried about what we got going
(16:02):
on, and that is so not true.
And the other thing is wenaturally carry these judgments
about ourselves and I call themthese energy blocks, right, the
limiting beliefs, theinterpretations, the assumptions
, the inner critic.
It's all flawed.
But then you tie your voice tothe judgment that's in your mind
(16:26):
and that inner critic istalking and it sounds like you,
it's believable, it sounds soreal and you listen to it.
And each time it limits you, ittalks you out of what's really
important.
God gives us the spirit, or theuniverse, whoever you believe
(16:47):
in.
You have this spirit inside ofyou and we all do.
We have it and it's guiding us,it's telling us man, here's an
idea, try this.
And then that voice, that innercritic, the people going to
think, if I do this, x and Yright, and you totally just
(17:08):
avoid it, dismiss it, don't try,for whatever the judgment is
that you carry, and then youwonder why things haven't
shifted for you, because we'veall are blessed with certain
spirits that's trying to guideus.
You can't be guided if you'reconsistently distracted by the
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limiting beliefs that you'recarrying.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
That's true, and until we achieve the next step
to get to what is for us, we'regoing to be in the same place.
And I think what you're sayingis how I've felt and how I've
coached and case managed andsupported people, and that is
you don't win the whole race thefirst day you start training.
There's levels to this, and soif you have a goal, just because
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you didn't achieve it in dayone, doesn't mean that goal is
not for you.
It means you have to prepareyourself.
You have to get your mind, yourbody, your spirit all in
alignment to be ready to receivethat which is for you, and so I
really appreciate youruplifting of that spirit that's
within us.
One of my favorite poems is thatMarianne Williamson poem.
(18:21):
Right Like the idea that we areall meant to shine, there is no
dullness in any of us, and soif we lean in and discover and
get curious and do the work, wecan find it, we can achieve it,
and it isn't by any means simple.
The more huge, the more epicyour goal is, the harder it is
(18:47):
to achieve, but when you alignyourself to your vision, it gets
a lot easier your vision, itgets a lot easier.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
It does, because that vision is the picture.
We think in pictures and if wedon't learn how to train our
mind to formulate the pictures,it's hard to get that desired
outcome because there's nopicture to go after, right.
But if you have the picture,the image, and you feel it, you
know how it would feel once Iget that.
(19:21):
Whatever that image is rightNow, you're emotionally
connected to the image.
So now, when the voice comes,the inner critic starts sharing
that you should stop, you shouldquit, you shouldn't do this and
this it's easier to dismiss it,it's easier to challenge it,
(19:42):
because you got this image rightin your right, in your
forefront, that you're goingafter and I'm not going to let
anything stop me from achievingit.
And I tell this to a lot of myclients think about it when you
really wanted something did youget it.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Yeah, a hundred percent of the time.
I think you are speaking mylanguage, mostly because I love
to nerd out on adult learningtheory, and so this idea of
scaffolding, right Like thisidea of attaching what you need
to know to what you already know, is vitally important in adult
learning.
And so this picture descriptionthat you created actually can
(20:24):
come in a variety of differentforms.
It can be icons, it can be amug, a saying on a mug.
I wanted to go to France.
I wanted to go to France so bad, so I just started buying
everything with Eiffel Towers onit.
My screensaver was an EiffelTower and then I started saving
money to go to France, and thenI started planning a trip with
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my friends to go to France.
So I was able to see it to yourpoint and then align my life
and my vision to be able toevidence it, that tangible
reminder of a goal.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
It's huge, it's gigantic.
And I was doing this, notknowing I was doing this, at an
early age, because part Iremember my vision was I want to
play college football.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
And during that time, I was there, you did it.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
I did it right.
But we all came in together andit was just a large group of
players and things like that andpeople start falling off.
But I stuck to my vision.
I was like, no, I'm notquitting regardless.
And we're talking like early90s, right?
So there was some racism andstuff like that going on at
Davis and all of that crazystuff.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
But no scholarships.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Yes, no, scholarships , everything was financial aid,
getting the extra loans andstuff like that.
But I had that image that, no,this is what I want to do and I
did it and that's with anythingin our lives.
And I think we lose sight ofthat because faith as a whole is
(21:59):
so hard to see the unseen inyour faith wavers, because you
can't see the unseen within us.
Whatever that picture isworking towards that picture and
we can't see it working towardsthat picture.
So because we can't see theinner workings that's moving us
towards the picture, we losebelief.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
And that's true.
You mentioned that we don'tknow what we don't know, and
that Johari window is the thingthat gets so many adults,
because we start to harm ourself, because we reject anything
that we didn't know, that wedidn't know, as not being true.
And so that's another reasonwhy being a continuous learner
(22:42):
is so incredibly valuable andimportant to people with goals,
because there's a lot of thingswe don't know, that we don't
know.
If we can at least exposeourselves to what's out there in
the world, it provides us, toyour point, a picture of okay, I
know that I don't know how tofix a car, but now I know how to
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find an engine.
Ok, I know that I don't know howto fix a car, but now I know
how to find an engine.
So at least when I watch aYouTube video, I have some
context about what I'm lookingfor.
And now I've read the manualfor my car and so I know where
the oil goes.
Now I've never been to an autoparts store and that's scary,
but I'm going to go into theauto parts store with my new
knowledge that I know what kindof oil that my car takes and I
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know where it goes.
So now I can go into the autoparts store and feel confident
that I can ask for help, becausethere are so many people who
don't feel like they'recompetent enough to even ask for
help, which is why your job isso important Exactly.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
But we're in an environment where there's so
many resources.
Now you've got chat, gpt, aithat's surpassing the search
engines, so you can just ask theAI a certain question and I can
create a foundation approach,just a foundation to start the
journey of creating a vision.
(23:59):
Whatever that looks like, youcan leverage it from that
viewpoint.
I don't know what I need to door what's next for me.
You could type in this is whereI am in my life, Give me some
recommendations, what should besome next steps for me, and just
start there.
Just start there.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
That's it, asking questions.
But see, that's developing aspirit of curiosity, that's
being a continuous learner.
So I think if we were lining upright, like our playbook, you
and me, it's time for us tostart creating this recipe.
First thing is get curious.
Don't get depressed, don't quit,be curious about what comes
(24:39):
next and then gather information.
And you don't have to takeeverything at face value To your
point about chat GPT.
Sure, ask it, but then youbetter ask for some backup
resources or references, becausechat GPT is not 100% right
either.
Right, it was created by people.
So you need to make sure thatyou're doing your due diligence
(25:00):
Exactly.
The information or directionthat you've been given is right.
Like how many times hassomebody given you directions to
someplace and you're like letme just check with Google Maps
and make sure exactly how theymisremembered that last turn.
I was supposed to go leftinstead of go, and if you go
right, when you're supposed togo left, it takes you a long
(25:21):
time to get back around thatblock.
So, confirming the directionsand then start figuring out what
resources you need, right, youdon't have to have them all at
once, but at least knowing whatyour goal is.
When I was planning to go toFrance, in my mind it was this
huge, unobtainable number, andwhen we started planning I was
(25:41):
like, oh, I can do that in ayear and a half.
And so then I started saving.
But right, as long as it'ssomething that I can't conceive
of.
I can't see it.
Then it becomes impossible.
So we're putting together apretty good recipe mom.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
The other thing is I teach this framework is swag.
Get your swag back and it'sreally.
People may think of it asconfidence, but it is.
That's the element of swag.
But the swag that I teach theframework of it is
self-awareness understandingthat inner critic, having a
vision, goals, all of that, yourvalues.
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That creates self-awareness.
Why power?
Your purpose, why am I doingwhat I'm doing?
It's just that simple.
Why power?
And then there's the alignedaction.
Okay, you identify your purpose, you know what actions.
Right now, one action that'sgoing to propel me forward
(26:42):
towards my overall goal You'retaking these baby steps and over
time, that cultivates intolarger steps and when you look
around, you turn your head andlook back you didn't walk the
mile.
That's aligned action.
What can I do today that'sgoing to propel me forward to
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create my tomorrow?
And then, finally, grit Havingthe determination to not quit on
your version of what successlooks like, regardless of what
people think.
And if you have swag,self-awareness, why power?
Aligned action and grit, you'llget to your goal.
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You'll get to that visionBecause, at the end of the day,
when you look back, I don't carewho you are and there's
something that you really wantedswag was present.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
A hundred percent.
And I love the analogy and theinference because I think that
whole concept of fake it tillyou make it was like the
beginning part of swag right.
How many times have we heard ifyou are feeling bad, get up,
take a shower, put your clotheson and get out.
Don't just sit in the house,don't just lay around and not
(27:57):
brush your teeth Like you got toget up and get moving because
two things a body in motionstays in motion, a body at rest
stays at rest.
So we got to go with thephysics.
But then the other part of thatis what you said, and that is
just take the first step right.
The journey of a thousand milesstarts with a single step.
So to your point, you lookbehind you and you've walked a
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mile already and all you had togo was two.
So it's really important to getup and get started.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
So, lastly, who are you serving what you do and how
do you help people?
Speaker 2 (28:32):
So I've always believed in the mantra to whom
much is given, much is expected.
And I've been given so muchgrace in my life and I am
incredibly humbled by mypositionality.
And, as I mentioned, I sit on afew nonprofit boards.
One of them is a nonprofitorganization that serves young
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people in elementary schoolsit's an afterschool program and
I serve in the capacity ofproviding technical support both
to the nonprofit organizationand also to the programming side
.
I am sitting on the board.
It's given me great pleasure tohave worked with people who are
experiencing homelessness overthe past seven years, so I'm
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really grateful to get anopportunity to hear about what
kind of research Kaiser isstarting to work on and provide
input.
I have a really greatopportunity to work with my
leadership program and I'mcurrently serving as the
president of our investment club.
And that for me, mo, that wasmy stretch right.
(29:34):
I didn't know anything aboutinvesting.
I am very grateful to have satas a student for a number of
years and then be put in aposition that my organizational
gift, my gift of being able tohelp create positive
organizations, has been upliftedin that space.
I also am a former member of theBenioff Housing and
(29:56):
Homelessness Initiative at UCSF,a member of one of their lived
expert boards, and in all ofthese spaces I'm super grateful
because I realized that it's myjob to hold the door open for
somebody else.
So I spent 18 years working forElk Grove Unified School
District as a job developer, andso anytime somebody I know
(30:18):
needs a job they're like Robin,I know you got jobs Tell me
where I can get a job, and I'mso happy to be able to share
that knowledge with people,because most of the time it just
sits in my inbox.
Honestly, I was connectingpeople, so I do that a lot.
I see myself as a connector andI see myself as a hub of
information for people.
So that's how I'm in service.
(30:39):
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
That's awesome, and how can our audience get a hold
of you if they wanted to connectand take your offer on some of
this information that you mayhave to share?
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Absolutely.
I'm a big LinkedIn user.
I'm not big on any of the othersocials, but find me on
LinkedIn.
My name is uniquely spelled.
It's right there for you on thescreen.
I encourage you to reach outand definitely we'll tag all
this information in the chat ofthe podcast when it comes out.
The most important thing I wantpeople to know is just to reach
(31:12):
out.
I love sharing information andI think it's really important.
I focus on growth mindset right.
So the more you know, thebetter we all are.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
For our audio audience who can't see.
How do you spell your name andfind you on LinkedIn?
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Sure, I'm Robin R-O-B-Y-N-N-E and my last name
is Rose.
Just like the flower R-O-S-Ehyphen, great Y'all, non
grammatically lovers, that's adash.
H-a-y-m-e-r.
Robin Rose Hamer.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
There it is.
There it is.
I appreciate you.
Thank you for sharing yourwisdom with me.
I love this talk.
I'm going to have to bring youon again.
We're going to have to do thisagain because this went by too
fast, but I really do appreciateyou.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Thanks, Mo.
I appreciate the opportunity.
I'm so happy that the rest ofthe world gets to know the Mo
that I've known for 35 years and, yeah, obviously I'd be happy
to come back.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Thank you.
Thank you for joining me inthis episode of let's Think
About it.
Your time and attention aregreatly appreciated.
If you found value in today'sdiscussion, I encourage you to
subscribe on your favoritepodcast platform.
Remember, the journey ofself-improvement is ongoing and
I'm here to support you everystep of the way.
(32:34):
Connect with me on social mediafor updates and insights.
You can find me on Instagramand Facebook, at Coach Mo
Coaching or LinkedIn, at MauriceMabry, or visit my website at
mauricemabrycom for exclusivecontent.
Until next time, keepreflecting, keep growing and,
(32:57):
most importantly, keep believingin yourself.
Remember, the most effectiveway to do it is to do it
together.
We're making incredible stridestoward a better and more
empowered you, so thank you, andI'll see you in our next
episode.
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