April 20, 2025 • 32 mins
When self-doubt threatens to hold us back, what propels us forward? In this milestone 50th episode, Coach Mo flips the script by becoming the interviewee, with previous guest Michelle Schaefer taking the host's chair for an illuminating conversation about overcoming limiting beliefs.
Coach Mo vulnerably shares how the inner critic nearly prevented him from launching his podcast despite his successful coaching career. "Who am I to provide value?" he recalls thinking—a universal doubt that plagues even accomplished professionals. His breakthrough came through simple action: "Once I put the headset on and started talking, the fear went away." This powerful realization formed the foundation of his podcasting philosophy and success.
With refreshing candor, Mo describes his inner critic as a "punk-ass" schoolyard bully who must be consistently confronted to lose power. This metaphor resonates deeply as he explains how taking action in the face of fear eventually silences the doubt. The episode offers a masterclass in applying confidence from one area of life to challenges in another—a transferable skill we all possess but rarely utilize.
The conversation reveals surprising developments in Mo's podcasting journey, including invitations from podcast networks and connections with guests from around the world. These successes stand in stark contrast to his initial hesitation, proving how drastically limiting beliefs can misrepresent our potential. Looking forward, Mo shares plans for increased audience engagement, including listener questions and possible live coaching sessions.
What will you do to get out of your own way? As Mo powerfully states: "Stay committed to your journey, because one thing I always tell people: no one else gives a shit about you but you." Take this inspiration and punch your own punk-ass inner critic in the mouth. Remember, "the most effective way to do it is to do it."
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Welcome to the let's Think About it podcast, where we
embark on a journey ofthoughtfulness and personal
growth.
I'm your host, Coach Mo, andI'm here to guide you through
thought-promoting discussionsthat will inspire you to unlock
your full potential.
In each episode, we'll explorea wide range of topics, from
self-discovery and mindfulnessto goal-setting and achieving
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success.
Together, we'll challengeconventional thinking and dive
deep into the realms ofpossibility.
Whether you're looking to findclarity in your personal or
professional life, or seekingstrategies to overcome obstacles
, this podcast is your go-tosource for insightful
conversations and practicaladvice.
So find a comfortable spot,chill and let's embark on this
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journey of self-improvementtogether.
Remember, the power oftransformation lies within you,
and together we'll uncover thetools and insights you need to
make it happen.
So let's dive in.
Welcome to another episode ofthe let's Think About it podcast
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.
I'm your host, Coach Mo, andI'm here with another amazing
guest.
Her name is Michelle Schaefer.
Michelle, what's?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
up.
Hey Mo, how are you?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
I'm great.
I'm really excited.
I just want to let the audienceknow we're changing it up today
.
This is number 50.
And so I invited Michelle backto the show because we have such
a great time.
I had to bring you back becausewe're going to do a role
reversal today.
I want you to interview mebecause this is a big deal for
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me.
This is really special for meNumber 50 episodes.
So I'm going to be handing themic to Michelle and Michelle's
going to interview me.
What are your thoughts aboutthat?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
You know what I think in life, when you change things
up and you do thingsdifferently, that's when the
magic happens.
That's what I'm talking about.
If you think of just the number50, it's a milestone for
birthdays, but it's certainly amilestone for your podcast.
Why are you excited for your50th episode?
Speaker 1 (02:33):
From day one.
I remember when I was thinkingabout doing this, the inner
critic was present.
The inner critic fear how toovercome that?
Right?
Yeah, it was a space in my lifewhere and we're just talking
about a year and a half agowhere I wanted to do this
podcast, not sure what it wasgoing to be about, and then I
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kept putting it off.
I was procrastinating for maybeabout a month, though it wasn't
too long that I procrastinated,but it was about a month and
that's big for me because I'm ajust do it type guy.
Yeah, and I remember thinking inthat moment like who am I to be
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providing value to people?
What do I know?
What your voice isn't?
What podcasters voices are younever done this before?
What makes you think you'regoing to be a good podcaster?
This is the inner critic, andthis is from a guy who finds I
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find myself to be extremelysuccessful.
Right, I've created a coachingprogram for the organization
that I work with.
I received multiple awards inmy coaching efforts.
I've been a talented top levelathlete.
So you know I'm very successfulin my own right, but this inner
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critic just really got in myway.
But at the end of the day, Ijust did it right.
And I remember thinking man, ifyou're going to do this, just be
consistent, just be consistent.
And from one to here we are atnumber 50.
I know it's special because Iwalk the talk right.
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We talk about the inner criticand how it gets in people's way
and things like that.
And I'm a walking testimonialfor that, because it got in my
way to launch this podcast andso I'm really proud of myself
that I'm at 50.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
You got to 50 and that's not easy in the
podcasting world, right?
There's a number of people whomight start, maybe they do a few
episodes and they think, oh,this isn't exactly what I was
hoping for, but you haven't.
You've shown up every singletime and you know it's really
interesting.
As you were sharing about thatinner critic, I could feel the
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heaviness they first startedeven just thinking about wanting
to do this.
There were so many of thoselimiting beliefs.
I can't do this.
I don't sound like other people, so I'd love to know what's one
thing that you did to turn thevolume down on that inner critic
that gave you a way forward,that actually gave you the
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impetus to start this.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Action, that's the simplest way I can put it.
Yeah, just doing it, it gettinginto the fight.
Because for me, I remember whenI put the headset on and I just
started talking, okay, all thefear went away and then from
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that moment, I felt my value.
Okay, I did, and it was a goodfeeling, regardless of how the
content or the message wasperceived.
It felt good, getting it out,absolutely.
It propelled me to do the nextone.
Okay.
Then it propelled me to doanother one, then another one,
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wow.
And then I learned the conceptof bringing on guests talk to
them.
That can help alleviate some ofthe anxiety that I might be
feeling, coming up with a fullshow to talk through for 30, 45,
whatever the time was.
But at the end of the day, itwas the action.
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And then I said to myselfyou're in control, you are.
If I want to speak for 10minutes, I can speak for 10
minutes.
If I want to speak for an hour,I can speak for an hour.
It's your show, I can do what Iwant.
And that just kept me going andI was like man, I'm the creator
of this, I do what I want to do.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Well, and I think, too, like one of the things in a
podcast world that can keepthings going, too is knowing
that you're providing that valueto your listeners.
So I'm really curious what haveyou heard from your listeners
over the 50 episodes?
What's some of the feedbackthat you hear from people that
tune in that listen that youknow are being impacted by what
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you're sharing?
Speaker 1 (07:33):
I think it's really like I get random messages, like
I heard this episode and it wasreally impactful, or I like
when the guest was talking aboutsuch and it came right in time
because I was just thinkingabout transitioning into a job
or this situation.
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I think I get the most responsefrom people when we're talking
about the inner critic and fearand things like that.
People when we're talking aboutthe inner critic and fear and
things like that, because peopleare always looking for
different perspectives andavenues on how they can take
that next step.
The biggest for me, though, wasI think it was I can't think of
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the episode number, but it wasthe title of it was Taming your
Punk-Ass Inner Critic.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
That was my favorite.
What was it about that episodethat stands out for you?
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Because the experience of how I deal with
the inner critic and it's like abully, right, think of your kid
, you're going to school, right,and then you got the good crowd
.
And then you got just ordinarykids.
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And I'm an ordinary kid, right,and I'm going to school.
And then you got this popularguy.
He's just always trying to pushyou around.
Bully, you take your lunchmoney, right, takes your lunch
money.
You don't defend your lunchmoney, you don't defend yourself
.
So he gets more courage and hedoes it again.
And then he does it again.
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And then, before you know it,you're avoiding him, you
disengaging, you're afraid.
All of these things happen,right, until you're you punch
the bully in the mouth.
He may still come back andcause another fight, but every
day you punch the bully back,eventually he'll stop showing up
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to try to take your moneybecause he knows there's going
to be a fight involved with that.
Right, that's exactly how myinner critic is showing up for
me, wow, showing up for me, wow.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
and I labeled it punk ass because he was wrong for
putting these flawed thoughts inmy head.
Yes, you tell them to get outthere's no room for you here.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
And so it creates this narrative in our mind that
around these limiting beliefs,these assumptions, and it
affects our emotional state ofbeing in that moment where we
carry certain worry, certaindoubts, certain fears, and we
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avoid taking action until youlearn how to tame it.
And that's what the power wasin that episode for me.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
That's excellent and your experience is going to
serve as inspiration for others.
Now, in that episode you weretalking about, like your own
inner critic as it relates tobeing a podcast host, but you
can apply those learnings to anysituation.
There's so many things wherelimiting beliefs are just at the
root of us not doing anything.
We feel held back by ourselves,and so what inspiration you've
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been able to give to yourlisteners and people tuning in,
where you know anybody canlisten to that episode and think
, hey, I can do that.
That's a way that I can turndown the volume on that inner
critic and actually be able totake action.
I'm really curious aboutsomething and this is a hard
question because it's when youhave kids.
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You never want to choose afavorite.
But I'm going to ask you, mo,out of all your guests, kind of,
what was the like, the gueststhat stood out for you?
What were they talking about?
As you reflect on your 50episodes?
Speaker 1 (11:36):
One was mentorship.
I did a podcast episode onmentorship.
I think that was number 43.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Look at you your numbers and the topic.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Now I take a lot of pride in this.
I really do, but I think shewas number 43.
And the reason why I love Ilike Deborah I think her name
was Deborah, but we talked aboutthe mentorship program, her
mentorship program and shecreated this platform worldwide
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where people can give back andthey can join this project and
become a mentor or volunteer orbe an ambassador.
So much just giving.
And what really resonated withme about that particular episode
and having a conversation withher is so many of us, through
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our lives, through our journeys,we get to a certain point and
we really do want to give back.
And she was sharing how anindividual and how it got
started.
This person wanted to give backan individual and how it got
started.
This person wanted to give backand he was about to retire and
move into his go back into thefarm and just retire into the
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sunset, but he didn't have thatpeace to give to someone his
knowledge and he really yearnedto give away his knowledge to
someone, but there was no people, no mentees available to take
the knowledge from him.
So she ultimately created thisorganization that connects
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mentors with mentees, from kidsas young as kindergarten to
graduate level students, and soit was just, yeah, it was
amazing and I was like you knowwhat, sign me up, I want to
participate, I want to give back, and I just thought it was a
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very powerful episode because wealso had the opportunity to
break down mentorship versuscoaching, versus counseling, and
just really differentiatingthem and breaking it down, and I
thought it was one of myfavorite episodes.
Another one was with you, ofcourse, talking about career
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transitions, and then I hadanother woman that I felt I
think her name was Gina.
I forgot what episode she was,but she was also a career
transitional coach and she justcame with so much energy, so
much insight.
I was so appreciative of herapproach to career transitions.
But in all, man, all of myepisodes are my favorite
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episodes because it's hard topick.
It's hard to pick and then themost important thing is I'm
connecting with amazing people.
These amazing people arereaching out to me to come on my
show and that makes me feel sohonored, so blessed, so
appreciative that you want toreach out to me to come on to my
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show, right, sure, yeah, you'redoing such a good thing
appreciative that you want toreach out to me, to come on to
my show, right?
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Sure, yeah, you're doing such a good thing, and
being a podcast host is partlyabout like sharing learnings and
like widening the view ofpeople who are listening.
But then that other part isjust like you're, you're giving
back to individuals.
You're giving people a platformto be able to share, to be able
to talk about themselves.
I can only imagine like being apodcast host is a lot of work.
You're giving me a taste of ithere.
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Being able to interview youwhich, by the way, is such an
incredible honor that you hadasked me to do this for your
50th episode.
I'm incredibly flattered andI'm also getting an appreciation
of what's it like on the otherside of the microphone.
So tell us all.
I'm really curious about thishow do you plan out your guest
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roster, like, how do you figureout what you're going to talk
about and when?
Give us some insight on whathappens behind the scenes.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
First and foremost, I have to keep it as simple as
possible.
I'm a very intuitive type coach, so when you come on my show as
a guest, I don't have a list ofquestions that I ask.
Being a coach, one of thethings that we do is we let the
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client drive the agenda, is welet the client drive the agenda
and we just show up veryintuitive and ask powerful
questions.
I take that concept to the show, right, and it really starts
with the introduction everysingle time, right.
I come in with all of thisenergy and I'm excited and I
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have this amazing guest rightand the fact that I have that
energy it makes them feelcomfortable, that I'm excited
for them to be here.
It's the one question that Iask tell me who you are and what
you do and the type of valueyou bring to the people you work
with.
That's excellent.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
From there, my intuition drives the interview
and I think that's what makesyou not only an engaging host,
but also an authentic one,because you don't have that list
of canned questions and youknow you're going through step
by step.
What one person shares is likethe gateway or a doorway to
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another question and somethingelse that you're curious about,
and then what they share, thereis a gateway into something else
, and so I love how, first ofall, people are approaching you
to come onto your show, butyou're creating this content in
a really organic way, and I cansay that, having been one of
your guests, there was we had atopic, but that was really about
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it.
You were just bringing yourcuriosity to the table every
single time with every question.
It was something that you weregenuinely interested in, because
you knew that your listenerswould be interested as well, and
so, as you have been reflectingon your 50 episodes, mo, I'm
wondering if there has ever beensomething that I don't know
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maybe it was surprising, maybeit was a bit unexpected that
happened in your podcast, ormaybe it was something somebody
shared that you thought, whoa,like that's going to stop
everybody in their tracks.
What are you thinking about asyou reflect on your 50?
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Gosh, I think the biggest thing that sticks out
with me the most is how randompeople find me and reach out to
be on the show, just from out ofthe blue field.
That's amazing to me because Itake a lot of pride and honor in
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my integrity and myprofessional presence as a coach
and what I'm putting out thereDoing these podcasts.
I really try to provide as muchvalue to my listeners and I try
to put myself in their seatlistening to the show.
And what question would I behaving when I'm interviewing the
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guests as an audience, as alistener, what would I want to
know from the guests?
And I think I really try totake that perspective and
because of that perspective,like you said, I'm very
authentic as a host.
Yeah, and it sends out thewaves.
When we talk about the universe, we talk about energy.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
To certain people reach out to me, like I just had
this woman reach out to me andjust shot me an email and I
don't even know where she camefrom.
Maybe it was LinkedIn, maybe itwas my website.
Maybe it was LinkedIn, maybe itwas my website, maybe it was
social.
I have no idea.
And so that also tells me, likeman, you need to track better
mechanisms.
Analytics on the back.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
You've got big reach.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
When I look back on episode one, which was just a
basic introduction of who I am,what gives me the credibility to
be a coach and talk on apodcast?
That was episode one, justbasic introduction of who
Maurice Mabry is to where I amnow.
I moved the needle.
I moved the needle and to thepoint where people are searching
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for me and people are invitingme to join their podcast
networks.
Oh, that's a different level.
So I've had three differentnetworks reach out to me to be a
part of their network and we'retalking distribution, we're
talking contracts, we're talkingall of that.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Nice.
And that's the basis of value,not just to your listeners, but
to your peers.
Like other podcast hosts thatare doing what you're doing, I
think that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
It is amazing and it's an honor, and trusting your
intuition yourself, your spirit, to help me navigate that
journey.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
What's interesting, what you shared just there.
If I'm like just to connectback to how we started this
conversation, which was thoselimiting beliefs, right, that
were really present, like beforeyou started, before you
launched your podcast, and tohear things come so far the
other way, right, seeing likenot only is there a value to
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your listeners, there's a valueto your peers.
People are seeking you out.
Other podcast hosts want you tobe part of their network.
That, like, completely debunksall of those limiting beliefs.
This reality flies in the faceof how you felt when you first
got everything going.
That shows me I'm going to putmy coach hat on now that shows
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just an incredible amount ofgrowth and awareness, and those
are all things that certainlyare valuable outside of the
podcast world.
These are things that arevaluable in the businesses that
we have and for ourselves as acoach and just in our lives.
Really fascinating for me tohear that.
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Thank you for sharing that, mo.
You know how, when you go see amovie, some movies at the end
will have a blooper reel, likethose funny things that don't
make it into the movies, butthey were big oops moments and
they're funny and maybe thingsthat were unexpected.
I'm wondering do you have anymoments that would end up in
your blooper reel for the first50 episodes?
Speaker 1 (22:14):
I don't, Unfortunately.
I don't Because ourconversations be so engaged.
Right, Our interview that wehad did.
We had a great time.
There was no bloops there.
That's how all my episodes are.
But here's what I would add andI'm just coming from a value
standpoint now, because this isjust who I am and just trying to
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help people really understandhow to get out of their own way
Right.
And going back to the fullcircle, how I've talked about
this inner critic and how itaffected me getting this podcast
launched.
And here I am now, Right hereyou are here.
We are Every not every aspect ofour life, but a certain aspect
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in our lives.
We deal with this, and there'sother aspects in your life that
you are extremely successful.
The inner critic doesn't eventap into that because you're so
confident in what it is that youdo, right.
So what I've learned is how doI take that process of whatever
it is that I'm good at, that gotme there, and apply it in the
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moment that the inner critic ispresent and limiting me, and
that takes a lot ofself-awareness.
It really does, and it's noteasy.
It's easy.
It's easy, but it's not easy.
It's easy, it sounds easy, right, when you like, really reflect
on whatever you are successfulin, right, what that process was
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that got you there.
Yeah, you look at it as, yeah,I did this and I'm good, yeah,
but then you have this innercritic and this other area of
your life that you're just like,oh, I can't do that, or you
just ignore it, avoid it,whatever.
How about trying that processwhere you were successful?
Yeah, the deep, like where didthat confidence come from and
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how did you obtain thatconfidence in that process?
To obtain that confidence, takeit, pick it up, move it over
here and drop it in there andmimic that process.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Yeah, it's right.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
So many places so many different places.
And it comes back toself-awareness and action,
because in the moment of theinner critic being present about
their podcast at some point, Iwas unaware that the inner
critic was present.
I was just procrastinating.
Oh wow, and then it was likeman, you said you were going to
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do this.
It's already been two weeks.
What is going on?
But then what I noticed isanytime that I'm successful,
seriously, anytime Mo is verysuccessful, I just do it, I just
move forward, I don't thinkabout it.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
You're like Nike Just do it, just do it.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
The most effective way to do it is to do it Yep.
And the thing is, we all havethat.
We just got to get out of ourown way.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Get out of our own way.
That's true.
Like we, we put up thoseroadblocks for ourselves and
nobody can remove them for us.
We need to do them forourselves.
I'm curious as we start to takethis conversation home.
I'm really interested to know50 episodes this is number 50.
Let's look forward for a moment.
What's your vision for the next50?
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What's your vision for the 50after that?
Speaker 1 (25:39):
for a moment.
What's your vision for the next50?
What's your vision for the 50after that?
My vision for the next 50 is tobe more interactive with the
audience and start taking inmore coaching scenario type
questions that people might beexperiencing and want to know
how to navigate certain fears.
Having more engagement withother coaches on the show to
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help answer some of thosequestions and how they approach
certain things.
Being more engaged with myaudience and understanding more
so of what they want, what theyneed and being more intentional
to get that for them.
I think the first 50 was reallygetting off the couch, creating
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consistency, proving to myselfthat I can do this and just
riding the journey.
I think the next phase ishaving creating more engagement
opportunities with the audienceto get them more active into the
show.
Maybe it's not live, but maybegiving them the opportunity to
submit questions so that I cananswer the questions on the show
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.
Do some even createopportunities where I do live
coaching on the show at somepoint?
Speaker 2 (26:55):
And I love it Like you're thinking forward.
You're pivoting a little bit,like thinking about other things
that you can bring into yourpodcast.
You've been offering lots ofvalue to your listeners up until
this point.
There's a future of more valueand that's certainly going to be
really exciting to look forwardto.
As we wrap up this conversation, mo, what are some final
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thoughts as you reflect on thefirst 50 episodes in this
amazing podcast of yours?
Speaker 1 (27:41):
down to your viewpoint of that roadblock and
what are you willing to do toget out of your own way so that
you can overcome the roadblock,leap over the roadblock, run
through the roadblock?
Whatever that decision is,you're the only one that truly
judges your own journey.
So stay committed to yourjourney, because one thing that
I always tell people no one elsegives a shit about you but you
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yeah, Because no one walks yourwalk the way that you walk your
walk.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Your spouse, your loved one.
They do love you, they do careabout you, but they don't walk
your thoughts.
The way you walk your thoughts,no one else can.
That's your thoughts and themost effective way to do it is
to do it because when you do it,you're positioning yourself to
get out of your own way.
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That's what I would leavepeople with.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
That's amazing.
I love that.
I love especially how you werejust talking about the
commitment, almost like thecontract that we make with
ourselves.
Right, and you shared ittowards the end.
Stay committed to your journeyand when we make that commitment
to ourselves, we can doanything right.
We can host a podcast, we canchange jobs.
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We can do so many things inlife.
So thank you, mo, for sharingjust so many things in life.
So thank you, mo, for sharinglike just so many really
valuable reflections.
You're leaving your listenerseven today like with more value
things that they can do in theirown lives.
Again, it's been such an honorfor me to have this conversation
with you on this very special50th episode and I wish you so
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much success in the 50 still tocome episode and I wish you so
much success in the 50s still tocome.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Thank you, michelle, and a huge thank you to you.
Big shout out to you.
I appreciate your time.
I love your energy.
You're always welcome here.
Thank you.
Tell us about your book, thename of your book, really quick.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
It is called Cultivating Career Growth,
Navigating Transitions withPurpose, so you know it's geared
for people who are looking fornew work, whether they're
falling out of love with whatthey're doing now or whether
they've been restructured.
There's a lot of job loss inour society right now, and so it
could be the perfect companionto help people as they navigate
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a job search with confidence.
So I really look forward tohaving that conversation with
you.
That's going to be so much fun.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
It is going to be fun .
And lastly, how can you befound?
Because you've done such agreat job of being a guest
podcast host, you might get someout there.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
This was definitely stepping out of my comfort zone,
let me tell you.
It was a whole new experiencefor me, but very fun, because
you create that very safe spaceto have these conversations.
So if individuals are lookingto find me, the best way is
actually if you visit my website.
It's mshafercoachingca.
We'll make sure to drop it inthe show notes after.
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And if you're looking for mybook, if you click on that my
book tab you'll be able to dotwo things.
You can order the book directlyfrom Amazon or, if you want to
try before you buy, you can getaccess to a free chapter which
will give you a flavor of whatthe book's about before you
order it.
So please visit me there.
You can also find me onLinkedIn.
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I post on career transitiontopics all the time.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Sounds great.
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Thank you Mo, Congratulations again.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Thank you.
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I'm your host, Coach Mo, andI'm here with another amazing
guest.
Her name is Michelle Schaefer.
Michelle, what's?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
up.
Hey Mo, how are you?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
I'm great.
I'm really excited.
I just want to let the audienceknow we're changing it up today
.
This is number 50.
And so I invited Michelle backto the show because we have such
a great time.
I had to bring you back becausewe're going to do a role
reversal today.
I want you to interview mebecause this is a big deal for
(01:57):
me.
This is really special for meNumber 50 episodes.
So I'm going to be handing themic to Michelle and Michelle's
going to interview me.
What are your thoughts aboutthat?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
You know what I think in life, when you change things
up and you do thingsdifferently, that's when the
magic happens.
That's what I'm talking about.
If you think of just the number50, it's a milestone for
birthdays, but it's certainly amilestone for your podcast.
Why are you excited for your50th episode?
Speaker 1 (02:33):
From day one.
I remember when I was thinkingabout doing this, the inner
critic was present.
The inner critic fear how toovercome that?
Right?
Yeah, it was a space in my lifewhere and we're just talking
about a year and a half agowhere I wanted to do this
podcast, not sure what it wasgoing to be about, and then I
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kept putting it off.
I was procrastinating for maybeabout a month, though it wasn't
too long that I procrastinated,but it was about a month and
that's big for me because I'm ajust do it type guy.
Yeah, and I remember thinking inthat moment like who am I to be
(03:20):
providing value to people?
What do I know?
What your voice isn't?
What podcasters voices are younever done this before?
What makes you think you'regoing to be a good podcaster?
This is the inner critic, andthis is from a guy who finds I
(03:44):
find myself to be extremelysuccessful.
Right, I've created a coachingprogram for the organization
that I work with.
I received multiple awards inmy coaching efforts.
I've been a talented top levelathlete.
So you know I'm very successfulin my own right, but this inner
(04:10):
critic just really got in myway.
But at the end of the day, Ijust did it right.
And I remember thinking man, ifyou're going to do this, just be
consistent, just be consistent.
And from one to here we are atnumber 50.
I know it's special because Iwalk the talk right.
(04:35):
We talk about the inner criticand how it gets in people's way
and things like that.
And I'm a walking testimonialfor that, because it got in my
way to launch this podcast andso I'm really proud of myself
that I'm at 50.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
You got to 50 and that's not easy in the
podcasting world, right?
There's a number of people whomight start, maybe they do a few
episodes and they think, oh,this isn't exactly what I was
hoping for, but you haven't.
You've shown up every singletime and you know it's really
interesting.
As you were sharing about thatinner critic, I could feel the
(05:15):
heaviness they first startedeven just thinking about wanting
to do this.
There were so many of thoselimiting beliefs.
I can't do this.
I don't sound like other people, so I'd love to know what's one
thing that you did to turn thevolume down on that inner critic
that gave you a way forward,that actually gave you the
(05:38):
impetus to start this.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Action, that's the simplest way I can put it.
Yeah, just doing it, it gettinginto the fight.
Because for me, I remember whenI put the headset on and I just
started talking, okay, all thefear went away and then from
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that moment, I felt my value.
Okay, I did, and it was a goodfeeling, regardless of how the
content or the message wasperceived.
It felt good, getting it out,absolutely.
It propelled me to do the nextone.
Okay.
Then it propelled me to doanother one, then another one,
(06:24):
wow.
And then I learned the conceptof bringing on guests talk to
them.
That can help alleviate some ofthe anxiety that I might be
feeling, coming up with a fullshow to talk through for 30, 45,
whatever the time was.
But at the end of the day, itwas the action.
(06:47):
And then I said to myselfyou're in control, you are.
If I want to speak for 10minutes, I can speak for 10
minutes.
If I want to speak for an hour,I can speak for an hour.
It's your show, I can do what Iwant.
And that just kept me going andI was like man, I'm the creator
of this, I do what I want to do.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Well, and I think, too, like one of the things in a
podcast world that can keepthings going, too is knowing
that you're providing that valueto your listeners.
So I'm really curious what haveyou heard from your listeners
over the 50 episodes?
What's some of the feedbackthat you hear from people that
tune in that listen that youknow are being impacted by what
(07:31):
you're sharing?
Speaker 1 (07:33):
I think it's really like I get random messages, like
I heard this episode and it wasreally impactful, or I like
when the guest was talking aboutsuch and it came right in time
because I was just thinkingabout transitioning into a job
or this situation.
(07:54):
I think I get the most responsefrom people when we're talking
about the inner critic and fearand things like that.
People when we're talking aboutthe inner critic and fear and
things like that, because peopleare always looking for
different perspectives andavenues on how they can take
that next step.
The biggest for me, though, wasI think it was I can't think of
(08:17):
the episode number, but it wasthe title of it was Taming your
Punk-Ass Inner Critic.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
That was my favorite.
What was it about that episodethat stands out for you?
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Because the experience of how I deal with
the inner critic and it's like abully, right, think of your kid
, you're going to school, right,and then you got the good crowd
.
And then you got just ordinarykids.
(08:50):
And I'm an ordinary kid, right,and I'm going to school.
And then you got this popularguy.
He's just always trying to pushyou around.
Bully, you take your lunchmoney, right, takes your lunch
money.
You don't defend your lunchmoney, you don't defend yourself
.
So he gets more courage and hedoes it again.
And then he does it again.
(09:11):
And then, before you know it,you're avoiding him, you
disengaging, you're afraid.
All of these things happen,right, until you're you punch
the bully in the mouth.
He may still come back andcause another fight, but every
day you punch the bully back,eventually he'll stop showing up
(09:33):
to try to take your moneybecause he knows there's going
to be a fight involved with that.
Right, that's exactly how myinner critic is showing up for
me, wow, showing up for me, wow.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
and I labeled it punk ass because he was wrong for
putting these flawed thoughts inmy head.
Yes, you tell them to get outthere's no room for you here.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
And so it creates this narrative in our mind that
around these limiting beliefs,these assumptions, and it
affects our emotional state ofbeing in that moment where we
carry certain worry, certaindoubts, certain fears, and we
(10:23):
avoid taking action until youlearn how to tame it.
And that's what the power wasin that episode for me.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
That's excellent and your experience is going to
serve as inspiration for others.
Now, in that episode you weretalking about, like your own
inner critic as it relates tobeing a podcast host, but you
can apply those learnings to anysituation.
There's so many things wherelimiting beliefs are just at the
root of us not doing anything.
We feel held back by ourselves,and so what inspiration you've
(10:59):
been able to give to yourlisteners and people tuning in,
where you know anybody canlisten to that episode and think
, hey, I can do that.
That's a way that I can turndown the volume on that inner
critic and actually be able totake action.
I'm really curious aboutsomething and this is a hard
question because it's when youhave kids.
(11:21):
You never want to choose afavorite.
But I'm going to ask you, mo,out of all your guests, kind of,
what was the like, the gueststhat stood out for you?
What were they talking about?
As you reflect on your 50episodes?
Speaker 1 (11:36):
One was mentorship.
I did a podcast episode onmentorship.
I think that was number 43.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Look at you your numbers and the topic.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Now I take a lot of pride in this.
I really do, but I think shewas number 43.
And the reason why I love Ilike Deborah I think her name
was Deborah, but we talked aboutthe mentorship program, her
mentorship program and shecreated this platform worldwide
(12:10):
where people can give back andthey can join this project and
become a mentor or volunteer orbe an ambassador.
So much just giving.
And what really resonated withme about that particular episode
and having a conversation withher is so many of us, through
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our lives, through our journeys,we get to a certain point and
we really do want to give back.
And she was sharing how anindividual and how it got
started.
This person wanted to give backan individual and how it got
started.
This person wanted to give backand he was about to retire and
move into his go back into thefarm and just retire into the
(12:55):
sunset, but he didn't have thatpeace to give to someone his
knowledge and he really yearnedto give away his knowledge to
someone, but there was no people, no mentees available to take
the knowledge from him.
So she ultimately created thisorganization that connects
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mentors with mentees, from kidsas young as kindergarten to
graduate level students, and soit was just, yeah, it was
amazing and I was like you knowwhat, sign me up, I want to
participate, I want to give back, and I just thought it was a
(13:40):
very powerful episode because wealso had the opportunity to
break down mentorship versuscoaching, versus counseling, and
just really differentiatingthem and breaking it down, and I
thought it was one of myfavorite episodes.
Another one was with you, ofcourse, talking about career
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transitions, and then I hadanother woman that I felt I
think her name was Gina.
I forgot what episode she was,but she was also a career
transitional coach and she justcame with so much energy, so
much insight.
I was so appreciative of herapproach to career transitions.
But in all, man, all of myepisodes are my favorite
(14:26):
episodes because it's hard topick.
It's hard to pick and then themost important thing is I'm
connecting with amazing people.
These amazing people arereaching out to me to come on my
show and that makes me feel sohonored, so blessed, so
appreciative that you want toreach out to me to come on to my
(14:46):
show, right, sure, yeah, you'redoing such a good thing
appreciative that you want toreach out to me, to come on to
my show, right?
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Sure, yeah, you're doing such a good thing, and
being a podcast host is partlyabout like sharing learnings and
like widening the view ofpeople who are listening.
But then that other part isjust like you're, you're giving
back to individuals.
You're giving people a platformto be able to share, to be able
to talk about themselves.
I can only imagine like being apodcast host is a lot of work.
You're giving me a taste of ithere.
(15:17):
Being able to interview youwhich, by the way, is such an
incredible honor that you hadasked me to do this for your
50th episode.
I'm incredibly flattered andI'm also getting an appreciation
of what's it like on the otherside of the microphone.
So tell us all.
I'm really curious about thishow do you plan out your guest
(15:38):
roster, like, how do you figureout what you're going to talk
about and when?
Give us some insight on whathappens behind the scenes.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
First and foremost, I have to keep it as simple as
possible.
I'm a very intuitive type coach, so when you come on my show as
a guest, I don't have a list ofquestions that I ask.
Being a coach, one of thethings that we do is we let the
(16:05):
client drive the agenda, is welet the client drive the agenda
and we just show up veryintuitive and ask powerful
questions.
I take that concept to the show, right, and it really starts
with the introduction everysingle time, right.
I come in with all of thisenergy and I'm excited and I
(16:26):
have this amazing guest rightand the fact that I have that
energy it makes them feelcomfortable, that I'm excited
for them to be here.
It's the one question that Iask tell me who you are and what
you do and the type of valueyou bring to the people you work
with.
That's excellent.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
From there, my intuition drives the interview
and I think that's what makesyou not only an engaging host,
but also an authentic one,because you don't have that list
of canned questions and youknow you're going through step
by step.
What one person shares is likethe gateway or a doorway to
(17:08):
another question and somethingelse that you're curious about,
and then what they share, thereis a gateway into something else
, and so I love how, first ofall, people are approaching you
to come onto your show, butyou're creating this content in
a really organic way, and I cansay that, having been one of
your guests, there was we had atopic, but that was really about
(17:29):
it.
You were just bringing yourcuriosity to the table every
single time with every question.
It was something that you weregenuinely interested in, because
you knew that your listenerswould be interested as well, and
so, as you have been reflectingon your 50 episodes, mo, I'm
wondering if there has ever beensomething that I don't know
(17:52):
maybe it was surprising, maybeit was a bit unexpected that
happened in your podcast, ormaybe it was something somebody
shared that you thought, whoa,like that's going to stop
everybody in their tracks.
What are you thinking about asyou reflect on your 50?
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Gosh, I think the biggest thing that sticks out
with me the most is how randompeople find me and reach out to
be on the show, just from out ofthe blue field.
That's amazing to me because Itake a lot of pride and honor in
(18:30):
my integrity and myprofessional presence as a coach
and what I'm putting out thereDoing these podcasts.
I really try to provide as muchvalue to my listeners and I try
to put myself in their seatlistening to the show.
And what question would I behaving when I'm interviewing the
(18:53):
guests as an audience, as alistener, what would I want to
know from the guests?
And I think I really try totake that perspective and
because of that perspective,like you said, I'm very
authentic as a host.
Yeah, and it sends out thewaves.
When we talk about the universe, we talk about energy.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
To certain people reach out to me, like I just had
this woman reach out to me andjust shot me an email and I
don't even know where she camefrom.
Maybe it was LinkedIn, maybe itwas my website.
Maybe it was LinkedIn, maybe itwas my website, maybe it was
social.
I have no idea.
And so that also tells me, likeman, you need to track better
mechanisms.
Analytics on the back.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
You've got big reach.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
When I look back on episode one, which was just a
basic introduction of who I am,what gives me the credibility to
be a coach and talk on apodcast?
That was episode one, justbasic introduction of who
Maurice Mabry is to where I amnow.
I moved the needle.
I moved the needle and to thepoint where people are searching
(20:01):
for me and people are invitingme to join their podcast
networks.
Oh, that's a different level.
So I've had three differentnetworks reach out to me to be a
part of their network and we'retalking distribution, we're
talking contracts, we're talkingall of that.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Nice.
And that's the basis of value,not just to your listeners, but
to your peers.
Like other podcast hosts thatare doing what you're doing, I
think that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
It is amazing and it's an honor, and trusting your
intuition yourself, your spirit, to help me navigate that
journey.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
What's interesting, what you shared just there.
If I'm like just to connectback to how we started this
conversation, which was thoselimiting beliefs, right, that
were really present, like beforeyou started, before you
launched your podcast, and tohear things come so far the
other way, right, seeing likenot only is there a value to
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your listeners, there's a valueto your peers.
People are seeking you out.
Other podcast hosts want you tobe part of their network.
That, like, completely debunksall of those limiting beliefs.
This reality flies in the faceof how you felt when you first
got everything going.
That shows me I'm going to putmy coach hat on now that shows
(21:32):
just an incredible amount ofgrowth and awareness, and those
are all things that certainlyare valuable outside of the
podcast world.
These are things that arevaluable in the businesses that
we have and for ourselves as acoach and just in our lives.
Really fascinating for me tohear that.
(21:52):
Thank you for sharing that, mo.
You know how, when you go see amovie, some movies at the end
will have a blooper reel, likethose funny things that don't
make it into the movies, butthey were big oops moments and
they're funny and maybe thingsthat were unexpected.
I'm wondering do you have anymoments that would end up in
your blooper reel for the first50 episodes?
Speaker 1 (22:14):
I don't, Unfortunately.
I don't Because ourconversations be so engaged.
Right, Our interview that wehad did.
We had a great time.
There was no bloops there.
That's how all my episodes are.
But here's what I would add andI'm just coming from a value
standpoint now, because this isjust who I am and just trying to
(22:37):
help people really understandhow to get out of their own way
Right.
And going back to the fullcircle, how I've talked about
this inner critic and how itaffected me getting this podcast
launched.
And here I am now, Right hereyou are here.
We are Every not every aspect ofour life, but a certain aspect
(22:59):
in our lives.
We deal with this, and there'sother aspects in your life that
you are extremely successful.
The inner critic doesn't eventap into that because you're so
confident in what it is that youdo, right.
So what I've learned is how doI take that process of whatever
it is that I'm good at, that gotme there, and apply it in the
(23:22):
moment that the inner critic ispresent and limiting me, and
that takes a lot ofself-awareness.
It really does, and it's noteasy.
It's easy.
It's easy, but it's not easy.
It's easy, it sounds easy, right, when you like, really reflect
on whatever you are successfulin, right, what that process was
(23:45):
that got you there.
Yeah, you look at it as, yeah,I did this and I'm good, yeah,
but then you have this innercritic and this other area of
your life that you're just like,oh, I can't do that, or you
just ignore it, avoid it,whatever.
How about trying that processwhere you were successful?
Yeah, the deep, like where didthat confidence come from and
(24:07):
how did you obtain thatconfidence in that process?
To obtain that confidence, takeit, pick it up, move it over
here and drop it in there andmimic that process.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Yeah, it's right.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
So many places so many different places.
And it comes back toself-awareness and action,
because in the moment of theinner critic being present about
their podcast at some point, Iwas unaware that the inner
critic was present.
I was just procrastinating.
Oh wow, and then it was likeman, you said you were going to
(24:45):
do this.
It's already been two weeks.
What is going on?
But then what I noticed isanytime that I'm successful,
seriously, anytime Mo is verysuccessful, I just do it, I just
move forward, I don't thinkabout it.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
You're like Nike Just do it, just do it.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
The most effective way to do it is to do it Yep.
And the thing is, we all havethat.
We just got to get out of ourown way.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Get out of our own way.
That's true.
Like we, we put up thoseroadblocks for ourselves and
nobody can remove them for us.
We need to do them forourselves.
I'm curious as we start to takethis conversation home.
I'm really interested to know50 episodes this is number 50.
Let's look forward for a moment.
What's your vision for the next50?
(25:36):
What's your vision for the 50after that?
Speaker 1 (25:39):
for a moment.
What's your vision for the next50?
What's your vision for the 50after that?
My vision for the next 50 is tobe more interactive with the
audience and start taking inmore coaching scenario type
questions that people might beexperiencing and want to know
how to navigate certain fears.
Having more engagement withother coaches on the show to
(26:02):
help answer some of thosequestions and how they approach
certain things.
Being more engaged with myaudience and understanding more
so of what they want, what theyneed and being more intentional
to get that for them.
I think the first 50 was reallygetting off the couch, creating
(26:22):
consistency, proving to myselfthat I can do this and just
riding the journey.
I think the next phase ishaving creating more engagement
opportunities with the audienceto get them more active into the
show.
Maybe it's not live, but maybegiving them the opportunity to
submit questions so that I cananswer the questions on the show
(26:46):
.
Do some even createopportunities where I do live
coaching on the show at somepoint?
Speaker 2 (26:55):
And I love it Like you're thinking forward.
You're pivoting a little bit,like thinking about other things
that you can bring into yourpodcast.
You've been offering lots ofvalue to your listeners up until
this point.
There's a future of more valueand that's certainly going to be
really exciting to look forwardto.
As we wrap up this conversation, mo, what are some final
(27:16):
thoughts as you reflect on thefirst 50 episodes in this
amazing podcast of yours?
Speaker 1 (27:41):
down to your viewpoint of that roadblock and
what are you willing to do toget out of your own way so that
you can overcome the roadblock,leap over the roadblock, run
through the roadblock?
Whatever that decision is,you're the only one that truly
judges your own journey.
So stay committed to yourjourney, because one thing that
I always tell people no one elsegives a shit about you but you
(28:03):
yeah, Because no one walks yourwalk the way that you walk your
walk.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Your spouse, your loved one.
They do love you, they do careabout you, but they don't walk
your thoughts.
The way you walk your thoughts,no one else can.
That's your thoughts and themost effective way to do it is
to do it because when you do it,you're positioning yourself to
get out of your own way.
(28:29):
That's what I would leavepeople with.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
That's amazing.
I love that.
I love especially how you werejust talking about the
commitment, almost like thecontract that we make with
ourselves.
Right, and you shared ittowards the end.
Stay committed to your journeyand when we make that commitment
to ourselves, we can doanything right.
We can host a podcast, we canchange jobs.
(28:53):
We can do so many things inlife.
So thank you, mo, for sharingjust so many things in life.
So thank you, mo, for sharinglike just so many really
valuable reflections.
You're leaving your listenerseven today like with more value
things that they can do in theirown lives.
Again, it's been such an honorfor me to have this conversation
with you on this very special50th episode and I wish you so
(29:16):
much success in the 50 still tocome episode and I wish you so
much success in the 50s still tocome.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Thank you, michelle, and a huge thank you to you.
Big shout out to you.
I appreciate your time.
I love your energy.
You're always welcome here.
Thank you.
Tell us about your book, thename of your book, really quick.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
It is called Cultivating Career Growth,
Navigating Transitions withPurpose, so you know it's geared
for people who are looking fornew work, whether they're
falling out of love with whatthey're doing now or whether
they've been restructured.
There's a lot of job loss inour society right now, and so it
could be the perfect companionto help people as they navigate
(29:54):
a job search with confidence.
So I really look forward tohaving that conversation with
you.
That's going to be so much fun.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
It is going to be fun .
And lastly, how can you befound?
Because you've done such agreat job of being a guest
podcast host, you might get someout there.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
This was definitely stepping out of my comfort zone,
let me tell you.
It was a whole new experiencefor me, but very fun, because
you create that very safe spaceto have these conversations.
So if individuals are lookingto find me, the best way is
actually if you visit my website.
It's mshafercoachingca.
We'll make sure to drop it inthe show notes after.
(30:34):
And if you're looking for mybook, if you click on that my
book tab you'll be able to dotwo things.
You can order the book directlyfrom Amazon or, if you want to
try before you buy, you can getaccess to a free chapter which
will give you a flavor of whatthe book's about before you
order it.
So please visit me there.
You can also find me onLinkedIn.
(30:55):
I post on career transitiontopics all the time.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Sounds great.
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Thank you Mo, Congratulations again.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Thank you.
Thank you for joining me inthis episode of let's Think
About it.
Your time and attention aregreatly appreciated.
If you found value in today'sdiscussion, I encourage you to
subscribe on your favoritepodcast platform.
I encourage you to subscribe onyour favorite podcast platform.
Remember, the journey ofself-improvement is ongoing and
I'm here to support you everystep of the way.
(31:25):
Connect with me on social mediafor updates and insights.
You can find me on Instagramand Facebook at Coach Mo
Coaching, or LinkedIn at MauriceMabry, or visit my website at
mauricemabrycom for exclusivecontent.
Until next time, keepreflecting, keep growing and,
(31:48):
most importantly, keep believingin yourself.
Remember, the most effectiveway to do it is to do it
Together.
We're making incredible stridestoward a better and more
empowered you, so thank you andI'll see you in our next episode
.
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