October 21, 2025 • 28 mins
This week we continue part 2 as Curry shares how he is feeling and discussed the new hallucinations he is having and how he is feeling overall including not remembering visitors. We also discuss compulsive behaviors people with LBD may have as this was a big discussion during one of the zoom meetings.
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SPEAKER_01 (00:10):
Welcome back.
We're gonna just keep going withour conversation that we were
having last week.
Oh got you caught up with Curryand a lot of thanks thrown out
and a little bit about thatimpromptu meeting we had in
Caney.
SPEAKER_00 (00:23):
I do want to say, I do want to say one more thing
real quick.
Okay.
If you just joined us and thisis your first or second time
listening or third or fourth,whatever, uh like we said,
please go back to the verybeginning one.
And anytime you have troublefinding the link, it's it's
listed under featured, underfeatures in both of our Facebook
(00:46):
groups.
Uh so you can always find thelink there.
It's it's at the top of thegroup under featured.
SPEAKER_01 (00:54):
Yep.
SPEAKER_00 (00:55):
I just looked and it's still on both of them.
SPEAKER_01 (00:57):
So yeah, or just type in Louie Body Roller
Coaster Podcast and Yeah, youcould come up.
Yeah, and I think it'll list.
I don't want to touch anybuttons, so I would look it up
right now.
We got it started.
I'm not touching anything.
It's been a minute since I'veused these computers, but
anyway.
Um, so we wanted to catch you upwith how Curry's doing and thank
(01:20):
people who helped us get that uhcamera person to uh Kaney for
the interviews.
And um that quick I forgot thethird one was it's one of those
weekends, Curry.
One of those weekends.
Um, but anyway, we're gonna moveon.
And we just thought we wouldtalk about um a topic that came
(01:44):
up in one of our Zooms thisweek, and I posted about it in
the roller coaster on the rollercoaster page, and we've gotten
like um 28 comments already, andI just posted it a day or so
ago.
Um so I'm just gonna weigh in,I'm gonna read what it is, and
then you can weigh in if youwant.
(02:07):
Um, so one of the topics that wetalked about was having I guess
you can call it compulsivebehaviors.
Like someone said, you know,when you go out to eat, and as
you're leaving on the counter,they'll have that that little
basket of mints for you to takeone on your way out.
Well, somebody had said, I can'ttake one, I gotta take like 20,
(02:30):
you know, that kind of thing.
Um, I feel like the same thing.
I'm like, it's free.
Nobody's looking.
I'll grab a handful.
But I totally understand whatshe gets.
Like, that's just one of herbehaviors that she has since
she's been diagnosed.
Um, I don't know whether it wasa her or a male that explained
that.
Um a couple people said theyhave this feeling that they want
(02:55):
to steal, even though they knowit's wrong.
Which, you know, that's thething about the meetings.
Um, I'm talking to you about atopic, but I would never give
names of what you know peopletalked about or who said what.
So we, you know, we keep that uhprivate, but and everybody in
(03:17):
our because there's times thepeople on our Zoom let us record
if we ask if it's if it's areally good topic to hear
everybody talking about.
But this one seemed to be, youknow, you don't know what to ask
people or like we don't have anyspecific agenda when we start
each meeting.
It's what people feel they wantto ask or talk about, whoever's
at the meeting.
(03:37):
So we don't we don't ever have ayou know come in and we we have
an agenda what we we want totalk about.
I don't even know how we gotonto this topic.
Um, but somebody had said, um, Ithink you were the one ordering
from Amazon.
I'm throwing you under us.
SPEAKER_00 (03:54):
You were the first it was Amazon, then it was
Teamu.
You know, uh that's one thing uhI talked with other people
about.
I know I know uh one couple, hiswife had to take his credit card
away from him, and she created anew account, and she just puts
like a hundred dollars in thataccount each month and lets him
(04:16):
order off a new card.
SPEAKER_01 (04:18):
That's a good idea.
SPEAKER_00 (04:19):
But compulsive spending is easy to I I've heard
that from uh several otherpeople, and I fell into the same
same category as that.
Uh compulsive spending canreally get out of control.
SPEAKER_01 (04:35):
Now, if do you remember doing it and then what
you were thinking when you weredoing it?
SPEAKER_00 (04:44):
Well, usually it's it's stuff that I ordered was
stuff Linda I that Linda wouldsay, Oh, see it on TV and she'd
say, Oh, that's a good idea.
So I would order it for her, youknow.
unknown (04:56):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (04:56):
And she didn't say get me one, she just said she
liked it.
But but that it was that kind ofstuff going on.
SPEAKER_01 (05:02):
Yeah.
Well, Amazon's easy to getsucked into, you know.
You're on there ordering onething and it throws like six
things that you probably couldshould have, it says.
SPEAKER_00 (05:11):
Yeah, Timu does the same thing.
SPEAKER_01 (05:13):
Yeah.
I uh yeah, I haven't checked outTimu yet, but um, Jim always had
to have a water money.
We he had a we all had a stopand drop place in the house, you
know.
We always knew to check, youknow, Matt always had a place,
and Jim he had a counter withthe top drawer was his, so he
(05:33):
stopped and put his work badgeand his keys and everything
there.
So in the morning he knew whereit was.
And when we were getting readyto sell the house, I was, you
know, decluttering the drawers,and I opened his drawer and
there were like a couplethousand dollars in there.
And I'm like, what the what isgoing on?
And I'm like, you know, we havestrangers coming through house,
we can't have this kind ofmoney, but he it he had to know
(05:57):
that he had a big lot of moneyon him.
And there was one time when Iflew to Kansas for filming, for
doing one of the things for thedocumentary, and Manny was with
Jim, I think for four days, andevery day, at least once a day,
Manny had to drive Jim to wherehe could go to an ATM and so he
(06:21):
can get a printout how muchmoney we had in the account.
Like, you know, his his brainjust wanted him to know or
wanted him to have money on himat all times.
Um so I I just posted out thereand I said, So asking here to
see how many other people areexperiencing these types of
behavior, and of course, there'sno judgment, you know, it might
(06:43):
be another symptom.
I know you said it might.
SPEAKER_00 (06:47):
Did you type something that's not a symptom
or it's a what I I yeah, I don'tthink it can be called a
symptom, but I think it can beuh it's it's worth talking about
so people will be aware thatit's something you need to look
out for.
SPEAKER_01 (07:01):
Yeah.
Yeah, but what would we call itif it wasn't a symptom?
A be just a behavior?
Behavior is better.
Behavior, yeah, behavior isbehavior.
Yeah.
But everybody was, you know, I Ilove how everybody feels
confident enough to post on ourFacebook pages and know it's
it's they're safe.
(07:23):
Well, it's that they're safe,you know, and yeah, that it gets
not going out to the wholeworld.
Um again, like we're we're Ijust shared the things that we
talked about, like what yourbehavior was and what Jim's
behavior was, and we're gonnashare a couple other people's,
but we're never gonna give aname, you know.
SPEAKER_02 (07:42):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (07:42):
It's it's part of that um being a family, yeah,
and talking about it openlywithout no j no judgment, you
know, and that's kind of what Ilove about our pages because you
can talk about anything that youneed and feel the need to talk
about.
And you know, um that somebodyuh somebody had said uh that
(08:09):
apologizing, like having aconversation with someone and
saying I'm sorry all the time.
You know, like that's I do thatwith Linda.
Yeah, it's like a repetitivebehavior.
I guess that's that's what Ishould have written said a
symptom of repetitive behavior.
Um, and a lot of people umtalked about Amazon and going
into other, you know, pages,like you said, Timu, that it,
(08:33):
you know, I don't have LouieBiden.
I can get there's sometimes Iget a package and I'm we were in
Zoom yesterday and I'm like,what the heck did I order?
This big package came and and Iand I could not remember what I
ordered, and I was afraid toopen it.
Because I'm like, sometimes whenI can't sleep at night, I heard
this sucks you in.
It you know, they they they haveit built so it sucks you in.
(08:55):
Yeah, I can't tell you what itis because they were Christmas
presents in case my kids arelistening.
But I couldn't remember what Ijust ordered, and I ordered it
like three days ago.
Um somebody said loved onecollects used paper towels and
unfolds them meticulously in apile.
And we've seen that done withdementia dementia patients.
(09:19):
Um I think it's uh I guess therepetitiveness of it, you know,
that you know it's something youyou're able to do still and you
just want to keep uh doing it.
SPEAKER_00 (09:30):
Um that's kind of like uh I in our move from from
Texas up here to Kansas, I havenot been able to find a bunch of
my tools.
Uh I know I had to have leftthem in Texas, you know.
(09:51):
Uh, but it's it was easier forme to go on Amazon or Timu and
order replacements, you know,and I got sucked into it that
way.
I was replacing tools that Ihaven't been able to find since
we since we moved up here.
And there was no reason for meto replace them.
I can't use them anymore, youknow.
It's just the idea that I that Ishould have them.
SPEAKER_01 (10:14):
Right.
Yeah, I'm responding to youryour thing on Facebook now.
Um, not saying it's not asymptom.
I said, yeah, a behavior isbetter.
Um yeah.
But like I know someone who wasbuying cars, bought a car,
returned it, bought a car, youknow, and that kind of thing.
And and a lot of times thathappens in the beginning when
(10:38):
people don't even realize thatthey have a problem.
You know, of course, I'm surethe spouse was like, what's
going on?
Why are you buying and selling,you know, the same car or or or
you know, getting all thesedeliveries?
Um so it's just, you know, oneof the behaviors.
And I I've read a lot about, Imean, I've seen a lot of videos
(10:58):
of people that compile peoplepaper towels or just like seeing
them fold it and that type ofthing.
Um trying to see if there'sanything different.
SPEAKER_00 (11:19):
Yeah, it's there Louie Body does uh bring out or
can, let me say, Louis Body canbring out uh some strange
behaviors, some that you'venever never had before.
SPEAKER_01 (11:34):
Yeah, compulsive behavior.
Yeah.
Um and I say, you know, if it'snot causing any harm or you
know, I I can see the whole umJim never ordered on Amazon, so
I never had to deal with that.
But um I made sure that he knewwhere there was a lot of money,
(11:56):
you know, just for I I guessthat was his security.
unknown (12:00):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (12:01):
But I I guess people can, you know, as long as the
the compulsive behavior isn'tharming anyone or your bank
account or anything like that,like the folding the towels, and
might just let them do it, youknow.
Um, but somebody said it had tohave uh um cash on hand.
(12:21):
And I totally get that becauseI'm like that right now.
Like I'm I'm so afraid to let mychecking account go below a
certain number.
Just I have this fear, you know,because it's just me now.
We went from two income familydown to mine.
Um but if if you haven't readthe post, it's it's on the
(12:42):
Facebook page.
SPEAKER_00 (12:43):
I'll I'll put a bump, put out because people
Yeah, you need you need to bumpthose.
SPEAKER_01 (12:47):
Yeah, because people are often offering suggestions
on how to how to you know handleall that situation.
So if you're a caregiverlistening, um you just check
under Linda's post.
Um, I'll bump it to the top ofthe page.
SPEAKER_02 (13:03):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (13:04):
Just share what you did to help alleviate that kind
of so how did how did yourspending stop?
Like, did she take away yourcard?
Did she hit you over the headwith her flying pan?
What'd she do?
SPEAKER_00 (13:15):
All the above.
SPEAKER_01 (13:20):
I didn't know I wasn't expecting that.
Yeah.
Um, yeah.
So but when she did it, did shetell you she was oh yeah.
She just said.
SPEAKER_00 (13:38):
I still have I still have them in my wallet, but I
don't carry my wallet anywhere.
SPEAKER_01 (13:42):
So and so how did you take it though when she told
you that?
SPEAKER_00 (13:46):
Uh I took it all right.
I felt guilty, you know, becauselike I said, those replacing all
those tools.
Why did I replace them?
I can't get out there and usethem, you know.
Uh so there was no need in mebuying them again.
SPEAKER_01 (14:00):
Right.
And you probably didn't evenknow you were doing it.
You know what I mean?
That you kept doing it.
SPEAKER_00 (14:05):
I know.
SPEAKER_01 (14:08):
Jim, Jim was that way with the I don't want to, I
don't know what to call it.
It's a screwdriver, like afour-in-one where you can pull
out the one in and make it.
Every time we went out to HomeDepot or Lowe's, he's like, I
gotta go get one of those.
And I'm like, and I did cut himoff at a point because you know,
(14:29):
you don't need 30 of those.
SPEAKER_02 (14:32):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (14:32):
You know, because I thought he felt probably the
same reason you felt why youthink you thought these needed
these tools, because youcouldn't find it, so he's gonna
order a new one, that kind ofthing.
SPEAKER_00 (14:42):
See, it turned out I was uh just for just for an
example, uh I ordered a realnice big socket set, you know.
Well, it turns out I orderedmore than one of them, the exact
same.
And I didn't remember.
SPEAKER_01 (15:00):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, I I I guess everybodylistening, like if you're you're
dealing with one of theseissues, especially with the
financial uh repercussions thatsomebody, you know, constantly,
thankfully you can send mostthings back, pretty much
everything back.
But I know that that could be alot for a caregiver to have to
(15:22):
do is um yeah, I guess you getto the point where you just set
your person down or and saydon't do it, or like you said,
give them a limit on their card.
SPEAKER_00 (15:34):
Um and I thought that was a good idea that that
the the wife did on that one.
Uh I wouldn't have thought ofdoing that, but uh yeah, she
just made him his own account,you know, and gave him his card,
and he only had so much in thereeach month he could spend.
SPEAKER_01 (15:52):
Yep.
Yeah, and I guess this goes backto you know, that oh, here you
have Louybody, get your affairsin order kind of thing.
SPEAKER_02 (16:02):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (16:02):
You know, in the beginning is um at what point do
you like I'm I'm asking you thiswith somebody with Louie body,
um at what point do you think Iguess you can still use your
accounts and write chats andthings, right?
(16:23):
I mean if it gets if somebody'snot realizing they're using all
the money, like what at whatpoint do you Yeah, I'm sure I'm
still on there in case somethinghappens to Linda, you know?
Yeah, yeah.
I guess what I'm I'm trying toask in a in a I don't even know,
a nice way or um it this is sucha crazy thing.
SPEAKER_00 (16:44):
Yeah, there's some things I don't want to know
about because I have no it'seasier for our daughter for
Linda to tell and show my ourdaughter than it is for me to
have to worry about or do oryeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (17:05):
Yeah.
So I guess I'm I'm trying tocome up with the right words so
it doesn't sound so harsh.
Because I can only imagine inthe beginning when they said get
your affairs in order, and wedid.
We went right to the lawyer likethe next day, we had our will
going.
At what point because when youget past a certain point, you
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can't have somebody taken offthe account if they're not
mentally able to.
You know what I mean?
But at what point I don't know.
Do you think that's from fromsomebody with Louie?
Do you think that's somethingpeople should do in the
beginning?
SPEAKER_00 (17:41):
Is I do.
SPEAKER_01 (17:43):
But then and then make maybe like if I had to do
it ever again, I don't know.
I don't know how I would handleit because I wouldn't want him
to think he'd I was cutting himoff from money, you know what I
mean?
SPEAKER_00 (17:57):
Yeah, true.
SPEAKER_01 (17:58):
Because in the beginning you grew up.
SPEAKER_00 (18:04):
Yeah, it's it's a hard you never know what's
coming down the pike.
SPEAKER_01 (18:08):
Yeah, but if if in the beginning, when you you know
we're still driving everything,if Linda said, listen, I'm
taking you off the account, eventhough you're putting the money
in there, you can't write acheck and you can't withdraw,
how would you have to do that?
SPEAKER_00 (18:23):
I don't think it would have bothered me if she I
don't think it would havebothered me if she'd come out
and said that in the beginning.
I really don't.
SPEAKER_01 (18:29):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (18:30):
I think I would have understood it better.
SPEAKER_01 (18:32):
Yeah, I I think if I had to do it over and and I was
to do something like that, Iwould tell Jim, listen, we're
gonna do this because we don'tknow what this disease is gonna
do.
And Andrew, Andrew would be onthe account also in case
something happened to me.
Do you know what I mean?
So that he would feel like,okay, well, he can't.
And and if he really wantedsomething, I mean, he wanted to
(18:54):
go on national parks.
I bought an RV, you know.
It wasn't like I wasn't doinghis fulfilling his wishes, you
know.
He wanted to move to Andrew, soI sold my house and just left,
you know.
And retrospect, I, you know, notsure that was the smartest thing
(19:16):
for me mentally, but that's whathe wanted, you know, and he did
get to see Andrew in concert.
And and my middle son alwayssays, because at the time he was
in Pensacola, if he wasn't, if Ihadn't moved, all three of my
kids wouldn't have been by hisbedside.
So I try to remember that when Ithink, why did I sell my house?
You know, like this beautifulhouse Jim built me.
(19:36):
But there's a lot of um on thisside of it, a lot of guilt of
thinking I should have donethings.
Why didn't I?
Why did I?
There's a lot of that on thisside of it.
SPEAKER_00 (19:51):
Um there's nothing, nothing about this disease, it's
normal.
SPEAKER_01 (19:55):
And people keep telling me, you know, you did
the best you could under thecircumstances.
And I'm like, what was my brainthinking when I thought to, you
know, and I couldn't tell you.
Well, I I know what I wasthinking.
He said he wanted to move closerto Android.
Made happen.
You know, it's just we werefortunate enough for me to be
able to make that happen.
But it's yeah, there's nothingnormal, like there's no, you
(20:19):
know, scripts to follow that'sgonna the disease is gonna do
this, this, this, and this.
You know, it's it is all overthe place.
And if two people are the same,which everybody will hear when
we get that um the recentfilming we did when I
interviewed those seven peopleat Louis Body.
But anyway, I guess this is aroundabout way of saying, you
(20:42):
know, please join a supportgroup.
It doesn't have to be ours, youknow.
Somebody posts every day, whichyou know, what what group is up?
Because we have Monday, Friday,or for anybody with Louis um
andor caregivers, medicalmedical professionals can join
them all.
That would be nice.
(21:03):
Um, we have one for um two nowfor caregivers, and then
Thursday is one just for Louis,Louis body people.
SPEAKER_00 (21:13):
Um yeah, the two for caregivers is one Saturday and
one Monday.
SPEAKER_01 (21:16):
Mm-hmm.
One is like one, three o'clock,and then I think the Monday is
at seven o'clock at nightEastern time, you know, for the
people who may still be working.
And so we're trying to do ourbest, you know, to have things
for people.
And I know we haven't been as uhconsistent with the podcast, so
we really do appreciate thateverybody, you know, when one
(21:38):
comes up, I think there's a waythat people can set their set
something that they'll benotified as soon as the podcast
goes live.
I probably should check intothat too.
We need it, anybody out therelistening and they're really
good at tech, please send us amessage.
You can send me a message andmessenger and then I could call
(21:58):
you.
Um, yeah, those kind of things.
Um, because it is it is hard forme sometimes.
Like, what did you text?
You texted me something reallysweet today, and I'm gonna try
not to cry because I get thesemessages with Curry, and we
talked about this last time.
Um, about I know when he'sstruggling, I feel the need to
(22:20):
protect you and not try torecord an episode knowing you're
struggling.
You know?
So, you know, I try to walk thatthat fine line.
Um, and I think you or your wifesaid, well, do it because people
need to see what you're like at,you know, at all times.
And I'm like, okay.
SPEAKER_00 (22:39):
Yeah, that's what Linda says.
SPEAKER_01 (22:41):
Yeah.
And you'll attest to the factthat if there's a topic that
comes up during the Monday,Friday Zoom meetings that I know
is gonna trigger me, I'll justdisappear off out because it
there's at least two people,sometimes three, that are
so-called co-hosts of themeeting.
So I know, and it I don't haveto say, hey, listen, I'm being
(23:03):
triggered, I'm gonna leave.
In our meetings, you can comeand go as you want, you don't
have to tell anybody you'releaving.
Get up and go.
So, you know, sometimes thereare topics that you all need to
talk about that I know is gonnathrow me down the grief hole,
and I just walk away.
And, you know, that's the beautyof our group, I think, because
(23:26):
nobody, you know, I'm notgetting a thousand messages or
UK, you know, or if somebodyleaves abruptly, like sometimes
they just have to go for adoctor's appointment.
It's just, you know, they'rethey're tired.
Or so you can come and go intomeetings, but it's just so
important to connect with otherpeople with the disease and
other caregivers of people withthe disease.
Um, and I say kudos to COVID,because I think this became more
(23:53):
normalized.
You know, Zoom meetings andmeeting online.
SPEAKER_00 (23:58):
Um because I think it's for COVID.
SPEAKER_01 (24:02):
Uh yeah, we know who this I don't think we would have
started the the group, the Zoomgroups or the podcast or you
know, yeah, I agree.
Yeah.
Um podcast, I think, because weI was still researching that
while I was still teaching, butyou know, I do think um doctors'
(24:26):
meetings being virtual now hashelped people be more
comfortable going online.
So that was our roundabout wayof saying please try to join one
of our meetings.
Um they're all list they arelisted under that featured.
Is that what it's called?
Featured now.
Used to be something.
SPEAKER_02 (24:45):
Yeah, featured.
SPEAKER_01 (24:45):
Yeah, under featured and it lists all the the times
that we have our meetings.
Um yeah, you're you're not gonnaregret it because you're gonna
meet somebody that has symptomslike you have or a caregiver
going through the same thing.
And it really is, I don't knowif I would have made it without
the support groups.
SPEAKER_00 (25:06):
Um I know, I know what you mean.
I don't know where I'd bewithout it.
Uh I I still ever I walk awayfrom every Zoom meeting uh where
I've learned something that Ididn't know before.
SPEAKER_01 (25:19):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (25:20):
And it may be small things or it may be big things.
Right.
Uh but I I can all honestly sayI'll I always learn something.
SPEAKER_01 (25:27):
And it's because somebody will say, hey, this
this just happened the otherday.
And then there are usuallyseveral that they've experienced
that before.
And okay, well, what what do youdo to deal with that?
And then that's that's kind ofbecause you're just trying to
even just there's tons, youknow, there's not tons, but
there's research on Louie Body,but it's nothing like hearing it
(25:50):
from somebody else who'sexperiencing the same thing and
how they're and how they'recoping.
Um so anyway, this episode willbe out soon, hopefully, because
I don't know if you told toldyou Andrew bought a house while
he's trying to sell a house.
He broke he bought a house, hebought a house and knocked all
the walls out in the middle.
It's like construction zone.
SPEAKER_02 (26:12):
So I'll send them cool.
SPEAKER_01 (26:14):
I'll send them a message later today, and
hopefully he'll be able to umyeah, it's it is very cool.
I'm excited for them.
It's just, you know, I gottasay, knock knock an hour out.
I need you to to go.
SPEAKER_00 (26:28):
Did he buy it down there in in New Orleans?
Yeah.
Or are they moving?
SPEAKER_01 (26:31):
Well, he he lives on the outskirts of the city of New
Orleans in Mettery, but they'renot gonna have kids, and they're
real big in the Mardi Girlparade and stuff, so they bought
a house in the city of NewOrleans.
So they're very, very happy.
They're just they just have toredo the whole thing.
But anyway, um, thank you againfor everybody uh for listening.
(26:52):
And just a reminder, we are notgiving medical advice.
Um we're just sharing our openand honest feelings and thoughts
as we live with those peoplewith Louis body and the
caregivers that um live withLouis body dementia.
SPEAKER_00 (27:11):
So all right, folks, that's all we have time for this
week.
Remember, you can email us withsuggestions on what you'd like
us to discuss on a futureepisode, or you can ask any
questions you have, and we'llsure do our best to get help get
you the right answer.
SPEAKER_01 (27:30):
And remember that we post the links to the podcast in
both the Louis Body RollerCoaster Facebook page and our
Our Journey page, as well as uhunder features, what we were
just talking about, or it alwayshas the link to the Zoom and uh
for the Zoom meetings.
But if you are interested inhelping us volunteer and
advocate, or you knowtechnology, please reach out at
(27:54):
LouieBodyrollercoastergmail.com, or you can send me a
message through Messenger withyour number and we can connect
that way.
Um more people who reach out,yeah, and the more hey, I'm not
done talking.
The more people reach out, themore people reach out, the more
people we can help.
No worries.
SPEAKER_00 (28:23):
Below the link, and we that's where we post the
information on supporters.
SPEAKER_01 (28:29):
Um I think it's under folks.
It's under feature too.
He if I was next to you rightnow, you were looking down as I
tried to talk.
It's under the feature too, Ithink those those links.
SPEAKER_00 (28:44):
Yeah, it is.
SPEAKER_01 (28:45):
But anyway, until next week, this is Linda and
Curry signing off.
Welcome back.
We're gonna just keep going withour conversation that we were
having last week.
Oh got you caught up with Curryand a lot of thanks thrown out
and a little bit about thatimpromptu meeting we had in
Caney.
SPEAKER_00 (00:23):
I do want to say, I do want to say one more thing
real quick.
Okay.
If you just joined us and thisis your first or second time
listening or third or fourth,whatever, uh like we said,
please go back to the verybeginning one.
And anytime you have troublefinding the link, it's it's
listed under featured, underfeatures in both of our Facebook
(00:46):
groups.
Uh so you can always find thelink there.
It's it's at the top of thegroup under featured.
SPEAKER_01 (00:54):
Yep.
SPEAKER_00 (00:55):
I just looked and it's still on both of them.
SPEAKER_01 (00:57):
So yeah, or just type in Louie Body Roller
Coaster Podcast and Yeah, youcould come up.
Yeah, and I think it'll list.
I don't want to touch anybuttons, so I would look it up
right now.
We got it started.
I'm not touching anything.
It's been a minute since I'veused these computers, but
anyway.
Um, so we wanted to catch you upwith how Curry's doing and thank
(01:20):
people who helped us get that uhcamera person to uh Kaney for
the interviews.
And um that quick I forgot thethird one was it's one of those
weekends, Curry.
One of those weekends.
Um, but anyway, we're gonna moveon.
And we just thought we wouldtalk about um a topic that came
(01:44):
up in one of our Zooms thisweek, and I posted about it in
the roller coaster on the rollercoaster page, and we've gotten
like um 28 comments already, andI just posted it a day or so
ago.
Um so I'm just gonna weigh in,I'm gonna read what it is, and
then you can weigh in if youwant.
(02:07):
Um, so one of the topics that wetalked about was having I guess
you can call it compulsivebehaviors.
Like someone said, you know,when you go out to eat, and as
you're leaving on the counter,they'll have that that little
basket of mints for you to takeone on your way out.
Well, somebody had said, I can'ttake one, I gotta take like 20,
(02:30):
you know, that kind of thing.
Um, I feel like the same thing.
I'm like, it's free.
Nobody's looking.
I'll grab a handful.
But I totally understand whatshe gets.
Like, that's just one of herbehaviors that she has since
she's been diagnosed.
Um, I don't know whether it wasa her or a male that explained
that.
Um a couple people said theyhave this feeling that they want
(02:55):
to steal, even though they knowit's wrong.
Which, you know, that's thething about the meetings.
Um, I'm talking to you about atopic, but I would never give
names of what you know peopletalked about or who said what.
So we, you know, we keep that uhprivate, but and everybody in
(03:17):
our because there's times thepeople on our Zoom let us record
if we ask if it's if it's areally good topic to hear
everybody talking about.
But this one seemed to be, youknow, you don't know what to ask
people or like we don't have anyspecific agenda when we start
each meeting.
It's what people feel they wantto ask or talk about, whoever's
at the meeting.
(03:37):
So we don't we don't ever have ayou know come in and we we have
an agenda what we we want totalk about.
I don't even know how we gotonto this topic.
Um, but somebody had said, um, Ithink you were the one ordering
from Amazon.
I'm throwing you under us.
SPEAKER_00 (03:54):
You were the first it was Amazon, then it was
Teamu.
You know, uh that's one thing uhI talked with other people
about.
I know I know uh one couple, hiswife had to take his credit card
away from him, and she created anew account, and she just puts
like a hundred dollars in thataccount each month and lets him
(04:16):
order off a new card.
SPEAKER_01 (04:18):
That's a good idea.
SPEAKER_00 (04:19):
But compulsive spending is easy to I I've heard
that from uh several otherpeople, and I fell into the same
same category as that.
Uh compulsive spending canreally get out of control.
SPEAKER_01 (04:35):
Now, if do you remember doing it and then what
you were thinking when you weredoing it?
SPEAKER_00 (04:44):
Well, usually it's it's stuff that I ordered was
stuff Linda I that Linda wouldsay, Oh, see it on TV and she'd
say, Oh, that's a good idea.
So I would order it for her, youknow.
unknown (04:56):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (04:56):
And she didn't say get me one, she just said she
liked it.
But but that it was that kind ofstuff going on.
SPEAKER_01 (05:02):
Yeah.
Well, Amazon's easy to getsucked into, you know.
You're on there ordering onething and it throws like six
things that you probably couldshould have, it says.
SPEAKER_00 (05:11):
Yeah, Timu does the same thing.
SPEAKER_01 (05:13):
Yeah.
I uh yeah, I haven't checked outTimu yet, but um, Jim always had
to have a water money.
We he had a we all had a stopand drop place in the house, you
know.
We always knew to check, youknow, Matt always had a place,
and Jim he had a counter withthe top drawer was his, so he
(05:33):
stopped and put his work badgeand his keys and everything
there.
So in the morning he knew whereit was.
And when we were getting readyto sell the house, I was, you
know, decluttering the drawers,and I opened his drawer and
there were like a couplethousand dollars in there.
And I'm like, what the what isgoing on?
And I'm like, you know, we havestrangers coming through house,
we can't have this kind ofmoney, but he it he had to know
(05:57):
that he had a big lot of moneyon him.
And there was one time when Iflew to Kansas for filming, for
doing one of the things for thedocumentary, and Manny was with
Jim, I think for four days, andevery day, at least once a day,
Manny had to drive Jim to wherehe could go to an ATM and so he
(06:21):
can get a printout how muchmoney we had in the account.
Like, you know, his his brainjust wanted him to know or
wanted him to have money on himat all times.
Um so I I just posted out thereand I said, So asking here to
see how many other people areexperiencing these types of
behavior, and of course, there'sno judgment, you know, it might
(06:43):
be another symptom.
I know you said it might.
SPEAKER_00 (06:47):
Did you type something that's not a symptom
or it's a what I I yeah, I don'tthink it can be called a
symptom, but I think it can beuh it's it's worth talking about
so people will be aware thatit's something you need to look
out for.
SPEAKER_01 (07:01):
Yeah.
Yeah, but what would we call itif it wasn't a symptom?
A be just a behavior?
Behavior is better.
Behavior, yeah, behavior isbehavior.
Yeah.
But everybody was, you know, I Ilove how everybody feels
confident enough to post on ourFacebook pages and know it's
it's they're safe.
(07:23):
Well, it's that they're safe,you know, and yeah, that it gets
not going out to the wholeworld.
Um again, like we're we're Ijust shared the things that we
talked about, like what yourbehavior was and what Jim's
behavior was, and we're gonnashare a couple other people's,
but we're never gonna give aname, you know.
SPEAKER_02 (07:42):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (07:42):
It's it's part of that um being a family, yeah,
and talking about it openlywithout no j no judgment, you
know, and that's kind of what Ilove about our pages because you
can talk about anything that youneed and feel the need to talk
about.
And you know, um that somebodyuh somebody had said uh that
(08:09):
apologizing, like having aconversation with someone and
saying I'm sorry all the time.
You know, like that's I do thatwith Linda.
Yeah, it's like a repetitivebehavior.
I guess that's that's what Ishould have written said a
symptom of repetitive behavior.
Um, and a lot of people umtalked about Amazon and going
into other, you know, pages,like you said, Timu, that it,
(08:33):
you know, I don't have LouieBiden.
I can get there's sometimes Iget a package and I'm we were in
Zoom yesterday and I'm like,what the heck did I order?
This big package came and and Iand I could not remember what I
ordered, and I was afraid toopen it.
Because I'm like, sometimes whenI can't sleep at night, I heard
this sucks you in.
It you know, they they they haveit built so it sucks you in.
(08:55):
Yeah, I can't tell you what itis because they were Christmas
presents in case my kids arelistening.
But I couldn't remember what Ijust ordered, and I ordered it
like three days ago.
Um somebody said loved onecollects used paper towels and
unfolds them meticulously in apile.
And we've seen that done withdementia dementia patients.
(09:19):
Um I think it's uh I guess therepetitiveness of it, you know,
that you know it's something youyou're able to do still and you
just want to keep uh doing it.
SPEAKER_00 (09:30):
Um that's kind of like uh I in our move from from
Texas up here to Kansas, I havenot been able to find a bunch of
my tools.
Uh I know I had to have leftthem in Texas, you know.
(09:51):
Uh, but it's it was easier forme to go on Amazon or Timu and
order replacements, you know,and I got sucked into it that
way.
I was replacing tools that Ihaven't been able to find since
we since we moved up here.
And there was no reason for meto replace them.
I can't use them anymore, youknow.
It's just the idea that I that Ishould have them.
SPEAKER_01 (10:14):
Right.
Yeah, I'm responding to youryour thing on Facebook now.
Um, not saying it's not asymptom.
I said, yeah, a behavior isbetter.
Um yeah.
But like I know someone who wasbuying cars, bought a car,
returned it, bought a car, youknow, and that kind of thing.
And and a lot of times thathappens in the beginning when
(10:38):
people don't even realize thatthey have a problem.
You know, of course, I'm surethe spouse was like, what's
going on?
Why are you buying and selling,you know, the same car or or or
you know, getting all thesedeliveries?
Um so it's just, you know, oneof the behaviors.
And I I've read a lot about, Imean, I've seen a lot of videos
(10:58):
of people that compile peoplepaper towels or just like seeing
them fold it and that type ofthing.
Um trying to see if there'sanything different.
SPEAKER_00 (11:19):
Yeah, it's there Louie Body does uh bring out or
can, let me say, Louis Body canbring out uh some strange
behaviors, some that you'venever never had before.
SPEAKER_01 (11:34):
Yeah, compulsive behavior.
Yeah.
Um and I say, you know, if it'snot causing any harm or you
know, I I can see the whole umJim never ordered on Amazon, so
I never had to deal with that.
But um I made sure that he knewwhere there was a lot of money,
(11:56):
you know, just for I I guessthat was his security.
unknown (12:00):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (12:01):
But I I guess people can, you know, as long as the
the compulsive behavior isn'tharming anyone or your bank
account or anything like that,like the folding the towels, and
might just let them do it, youknow.
Um, but somebody said it had tohave uh um cash on hand.
(12:21):
And I totally get that becauseI'm like that right now.
Like I'm I'm so afraid to let mychecking account go below a
certain number.
Just I have this fear, you know,because it's just me now.
We went from two income familydown to mine.
Um but if if you haven't readthe post, it's it's on the
(12:42):
Facebook page.
SPEAKER_00 (12:43):
I'll I'll put a bump, put out because people
Yeah, you need you need to bumpthose.
SPEAKER_01 (12:47):
Yeah, because people are often offering suggestions
on how to how to you know handleall that situation.
So if you're a caregiverlistening, um you just check
under Linda's post.
Um, I'll bump it to the top ofthe page.
SPEAKER_02 (13:03):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (13:04):
Just share what you did to help alleviate that kind
of so how did how did yourspending stop?
Like, did she take away yourcard?
Did she hit you over the headwith her flying pan?
What'd she do?
SPEAKER_00 (13:15):
All the above.
SPEAKER_01 (13:20):
I didn't know I wasn't expecting that.
Yeah.
Um, yeah.
So but when she did it, did shetell you she was oh yeah.
She just said.
SPEAKER_00 (13:38):
I still have I still have them in my wallet, but I
don't carry my wallet anywhere.
SPEAKER_01 (13:42):
So and so how did you take it though when she told
you that?
SPEAKER_00 (13:46):
Uh I took it all right.
I felt guilty, you know, becauselike I said, those replacing all
those tools.
Why did I replace them?
I can't get out there and usethem, you know.
Uh so there was no need in mebuying them again.
SPEAKER_01 (14:00):
Right.
And you probably didn't evenknow you were doing it.
You know what I mean?
That you kept doing it.
SPEAKER_00 (14:05):
I know.
SPEAKER_01 (14:08):
Jim, Jim was that way with the I don't want to, I
don't know what to call it.
It's a screwdriver, like afour-in-one where you can pull
out the one in and make it.
Every time we went out to HomeDepot or Lowe's, he's like, I
gotta go get one of those.
And I'm like, and I did cut himoff at a point because you know,
(14:29):
you don't need 30 of those.
SPEAKER_02 (14:32):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (14:32):
You know, because I thought he felt probably the
same reason you felt why youthink you thought these needed
these tools, because youcouldn't find it, so he's gonna
order a new one, that kind ofthing.
SPEAKER_00 (14:42):
See, it turned out I was uh just for just for an
example, uh I ordered a realnice big socket set, you know.
Well, it turns out I orderedmore than one of them, the exact
same.
And I didn't remember.
SPEAKER_01 (15:00):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, I I I guess everybodylistening, like if you're you're
dealing with one of theseissues, especially with the
financial uh repercussions thatsomebody, you know, constantly,
thankfully you can send mostthings back, pretty much
everything back.
But I know that that could be alot for a caregiver to have to
(15:22):
do is um yeah, I guess you getto the point where you just set
your person down or and saydon't do it, or like you said,
give them a limit on their card.
SPEAKER_00 (15:34):
Um and I thought that was a good idea that that
the the wife did on that one.
Uh I wouldn't have thought ofdoing that, but uh yeah, she
just made him his own account,you know, and gave him his card,
and he only had so much in thereeach month he could spend.
SPEAKER_01 (15:52):
Yep.
Yeah, and I guess this goes backto you know, that oh, here you
have Louybody, get your affairsin order kind of thing.
SPEAKER_02 (16:02):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (16:02):
You know, in the beginning is um at what point do
you like I'm I'm asking you thiswith somebody with Louie body,
um at what point do you think Iguess you can still use your
accounts and write chats andthings, right?
(16:23):
I mean if it gets if somebody'snot realizing they're using all
the money, like what at whatpoint do you Yeah, I'm sure I'm
still on there in case somethinghappens to Linda, you know?
Yeah, yeah.
I guess what I'm I'm trying toask in a in a I don't even know,
a nice way or um it this is sucha crazy thing.
SPEAKER_00 (16:44):
Yeah, there's some things I don't want to know
about because I have no it'seasier for our daughter for
Linda to tell and show my ourdaughter than it is for me to
have to worry about or do oryeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (17:05):
Yeah.
So I guess I'm I'm trying tocome up with the right words so
it doesn't sound so harsh.
Because I can only imagine inthe beginning when they said get
your affairs in order, and wedid.
We went right to the lawyer likethe next day, we had our will
going.
At what point because when youget past a certain point, you
(17:26):
can't have somebody taken offthe account if they're not
mentally able to.
You know what I mean?
But at what point I don't know.
Do you think that's from fromsomebody with Louie?
Do you think that's somethingpeople should do in the
beginning?
SPEAKER_00 (17:41):
Is I do.
SPEAKER_01 (17:43):
But then and then make maybe like if I had to do
it ever again, I don't know.
I don't know how I would handleit because I wouldn't want him
to think he'd I was cutting himoff from money, you know what I
mean?
SPEAKER_00 (17:57):
Yeah, true.
SPEAKER_01 (17:58):
Because in the beginning you grew up.
SPEAKER_00 (18:04):
Yeah, it's it's a hard you never know what's
coming down the pike.
SPEAKER_01 (18:08):
Yeah, but if if in the beginning, when you you know
we're still driving everything,if Linda said, listen, I'm
taking you off the account, eventhough you're putting the money
in there, you can't write acheck and you can't withdraw,
how would you have to do that?
SPEAKER_00 (18:23):
I don't think it would have bothered me if she I
don't think it would havebothered me if she'd come out
and said that in the beginning.
I really don't.
SPEAKER_01 (18:29):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (18:30):
I think I would have understood it better.
SPEAKER_01 (18:32):
Yeah, I I think if I had to do it over and and I was
to do something like that, Iwould tell Jim, listen, we're
gonna do this because we don'tknow what this disease is gonna
do.
And Andrew, Andrew would be onthe account also in case
something happened to me.
Do you know what I mean?
So that he would feel like,okay, well, he can't.
And and if he really wantedsomething, I mean, he wanted to
(18:54):
go on national parks.
I bought an RV, you know.
It wasn't like I wasn't doinghis fulfilling his wishes, you
know.
He wanted to move to Andrew, soI sold my house and just left,
you know.
And retrospect, I, you know, notsure that was the smartest thing
(19:16):
for me mentally, but that's whathe wanted, you know, and he did
get to see Andrew in concert.
And and my middle son alwayssays, because at the time he was
in Pensacola, if he wasn't, if Ihadn't moved, all three of my
kids wouldn't have been by hisbedside.
So I try to remember that when Ithink, why did I sell my house?
You know, like this beautifulhouse Jim built me.
(19:36):
But there's a lot of um on thisside of it, a lot of guilt of
thinking I should have donethings.
Why didn't I?
Why did I?
There's a lot of that on thisside of it.
SPEAKER_00 (19:51):
Um there's nothing, nothing about this disease, it's
normal.
SPEAKER_01 (19:55):
And people keep telling me, you know, you did
the best you could under thecircumstances.
And I'm like, what was my brainthinking when I thought to, you
know, and I couldn't tell you.
Well, I I know what I wasthinking.
He said he wanted to move closerto Android.
Made happen.
You know, it's just we werefortunate enough for me to be
able to make that happen.
But it's yeah, there's nothingnormal, like there's no, you
(20:19):
know, scripts to follow that'sgonna the disease is gonna do
this, this, this, and this.
You know, it's it is all overthe place.
And if two people are the same,which everybody will hear when
we get that um the recentfilming we did when I
interviewed those seven peopleat Louis Body.
But anyway, I guess this is aroundabout way of saying, you
(20:42):
know, please join a supportgroup.
It doesn't have to be ours, youknow.
Somebody posts every day, whichyou know, what what group is up?
Because we have Monday, Friday,or for anybody with Louis um
andor caregivers, medicalmedical professionals can join
them all.
That would be nice.
(21:03):
Um, we have one for um two nowfor caregivers, and then
Thursday is one just for Louis,Louis body people.
SPEAKER_00 (21:13):
Um yeah, the two for caregivers is one Saturday and
one Monday.
SPEAKER_01 (21:16):
Mm-hmm.
One is like one, three o'clock,and then I think the Monday is
at seven o'clock at nightEastern time, you know, for the
people who may still be working.
And so we're trying to do ourbest, you know, to have things
for people.
And I know we haven't been as uhconsistent with the podcast, so
we really do appreciate thateverybody, you know, when one
(21:38):
comes up, I think there's a waythat people can set their set
something that they'll benotified as soon as the podcast
goes live.
I probably should check intothat too.
We need it, anybody out therelistening and they're really
good at tech, please send us amessage.
You can send me a message andmessenger and then I could call
(21:58):
you.
Um, yeah, those kind of things.
Um, because it is it is hard forme sometimes.
Like, what did you text?
You texted me something reallysweet today, and I'm gonna try
not to cry because I get thesemessages with Curry, and we
talked about this last time.
Um, about I know when he'sstruggling, I feel the need to
(22:20):
protect you and not try torecord an episode knowing you're
struggling.
You know?
So, you know, I try to walk thatthat fine line.
Um, and I think you or your wifesaid, well, do it because people
need to see what you're like at,you know, at all times.
And I'm like, okay.
SPEAKER_00 (22:39):
Yeah, that's what Linda says.
SPEAKER_01 (22:41):
Yeah.
And you'll attest to the factthat if there's a topic that
comes up during the Monday,Friday Zoom meetings that I know
is gonna trigger me, I'll justdisappear off out because it
there's at least two people,sometimes three, that are
so-called co-hosts of themeeting.
So I know, and it I don't haveto say, hey, listen, I'm being
(23:03):
triggered, I'm gonna leave.
In our meetings, you can comeand go as you want, you don't
have to tell anybody you'releaving.
Get up and go.
So, you know, sometimes thereare topics that you all need to
talk about that I know is gonnathrow me down the grief hole,
and I just walk away.
And, you know, that's the beautyof our group, I think, because
(23:26):
nobody, you know, I'm notgetting a thousand messages or
UK, you know, or if somebodyleaves abruptly, like sometimes
they just have to go for adoctor's appointment.
It's just, you know, they'rethey're tired.
Or so you can come and go intomeetings, but it's just so
important to connect with otherpeople with the disease and
other caregivers of people withthe disease.
Um, and I say kudos to COVID,because I think this became more
(23:53):
normalized.
You know, Zoom meetings andmeeting online.
SPEAKER_00 (23:58):
Um because I think it's for COVID.
SPEAKER_01 (24:02):
Uh yeah, we know who this I don't think we would have
started the the group, the Zoomgroups or the podcast or you
know, yeah, I agree.
Yeah.
Um podcast, I think, because weI was still researching that
while I was still teaching, butyou know, I do think um doctors'
(24:26):
meetings being virtual now hashelped people be more
comfortable going online.
So that was our roundabout wayof saying please try to join one
of our meetings.
Um they're all list they arelisted under that featured.
Is that what it's called?
Featured now.
Used to be something.
SPEAKER_02 (24:45):
Yeah, featured.
SPEAKER_01 (24:45):
Yeah, under featured and it lists all the the times
that we have our meetings.
Um yeah, you're you're not gonnaregret it because you're gonna
meet somebody that has symptomslike you have or a caregiver
going through the same thing.
And it really is, I don't knowif I would have made it without
the support groups.
SPEAKER_00 (25:06):
Um I know, I know what you mean.
I don't know where I'd bewithout it.
Uh I I still ever I walk awayfrom every Zoom meeting uh where
I've learned something that Ididn't know before.
SPEAKER_01 (25:19):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (25:20):
And it may be small things or it may be big things.
Right.
Uh but I I can all honestly sayI'll I always learn something.
SPEAKER_01 (25:27):
And it's because somebody will say, hey, this
this just happened the otherday.
And then there are usuallyseveral that they've experienced
that before.
And okay, well, what what do youdo to deal with that?
And then that's that's kind ofbecause you're just trying to
even just there's tons, youknow, there's not tons, but
there's research on Louie Body,but it's nothing like hearing it
(25:50):
from somebody else who'sexperiencing the same thing and
how they're and how they'recoping.
Um so anyway, this episode willbe out soon, hopefully, because
I don't know if you told toldyou Andrew bought a house while
he's trying to sell a house.
He broke he bought a house, hebought a house and knocked all
the walls out in the middle.
It's like construction zone.
SPEAKER_02 (26:12):
So I'll send them cool.
SPEAKER_01 (26:14):
I'll send them a message later today, and
hopefully he'll be able to umyeah, it's it is very cool.
I'm excited for them.
It's just, you know, I gottasay, knock knock an hour out.
I need you to to go.
SPEAKER_00 (26:28):
Did he buy it down there in in New Orleans?
Yeah.
Or are they moving?
SPEAKER_01 (26:31):
Well, he he lives on the outskirts of the city of New
Orleans in Mettery, but they'renot gonna have kids, and they're
real big in the Mardi Girlparade and stuff, so they bought
a house in the city of NewOrleans.
So they're very, very happy.
They're just they just have toredo the whole thing.
But anyway, um, thank you againfor everybody uh for listening.
(26:52):
And just a reminder, we are notgiving medical advice.
Um we're just sharing our openand honest feelings and thoughts
as we live with those peoplewith Louis body and the
caregivers that um live withLouis body dementia.
SPEAKER_00 (27:11):
So all right, folks, that's all we have time for this
week.
Remember, you can email us withsuggestions on what you'd like
us to discuss on a futureepisode, or you can ask any
questions you have, and we'llsure do our best to get help get
you the right answer.
SPEAKER_01 (27:30):
And remember that we post the links to the podcast in
both the Louis Body RollerCoaster Facebook page and our
Our Journey page, as well as uhunder features, what we were
just talking about, or it alwayshas the link to the Zoom and uh
for the Zoom meetings.
But if you are interested inhelping us volunteer and
advocate, or you knowtechnology, please reach out at
(27:54):
LouieBodyrollercoastergmail.com, or you can send me a
message through Messenger withyour number and we can connect
that way.
Um more people who reach out,yeah, and the more hey, I'm not
done talking.
The more people reach out, themore people reach out, the more
people we can help.
No worries.
SPEAKER_00 (28:23):
Below the link, and we that's where we post the
information on supporters.
SPEAKER_01 (28:29):
Um I think it's under folks.
It's under feature too.
He if I was next to you rightnow, you were looking down as I
tried to talk.
It's under the feature too, Ithink those those links.
SPEAKER_00 (28:44):
Yeah, it is.
SPEAKER_01 (28:45):
But anyway, until next week, this is Linda and
Curry signing off.
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