May 8, 2025 • 41 mins
In this raw, unflinching conversation with Hell Rell from behind the walls of Upstate Correctional Facility, we witness a man's profound transformation through the crucible of incarceration. Speaking with remarkable clarity and wisdom earned through painful experience, Hell Rell dismantles the glorified image of street life that led him to a 9x9 cell he describes as "hell on earth."
"The streets don't entice me anymore," Hell Rell reflects, his voice carrying the weight of regret and newfound perspective. "Living life, that's what I'm enticed by." This compelling revelation comes from a man who gained notoriety for actions he now deeply regrets - actions that harmed his own community. As he describes the conditions at Upstate, likening it to a "modern-day plantation," listeners gain rare insight into the dehumanizing reality of America's prison system, where men are confined to cells with recreation areas resembling "kennels."
Perhaps most powerful is Hell Rell's message to youth contemplating the path he once traveled: "Don't kill your own people... Live life, get money, go to school, educate yourself." His words carry unique authority, coming from someone who once saw only "four corners" of his neighborhood but now recognizes the vast possibilities beyond. When asked what he would do differently, his answer is immediate and poignant: "I would be rich... I would be on top of the world." The contrast between what could have been and his current reality delivers a message more impactful than any anti-crime program.
Through this conversation, Hell Rell reveals himself not as a hardened criminal, but as "just an ordinary guy" who made choices with extraordinary consequences. His story serves as both warning and inspiration - proof that even in the darkest circumstances, perspective and purpose can emerge. Listen, reflect, and share this episode with someone who needs to hear that there's always another path.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
An incarcerated individual at New York State
Department of Corrections andCommunity Supervision.
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Speaker 2 (00:33):
Maybe on let's connect them.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
All right.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Yeah, what's the word ?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
What's the word?
What's going?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
on Introduce yourself .
Let the people know who they'retalking to.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I know it's about how well with the alley, what's
going on?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
All right, so let's get into the first thing.
I know you wanted to offer someclarity because your name was
mentioned In episode 4 withLarry Love, and I know you
wanted to, you know, speak onsome things, offering clarity
with that, so I just wanted youto get that off your chest first
.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, you know, shout out toLarry Love, that's big bro and
shit.
But you know You've been onphones, lost the phones for 7
years, so you're not really hip.
So let me put you hip.
First and foremost, we wasn'tdealing with the kids, bro.
You didn't have to tell us noneof that.
We already was aware of certainthings.
(01:36):
Bro, he wasn't my co-defendant,I wasn't my co-defendant, I
wasn't.
We wasn't doing them crimestogether.
We wasn't my co-defendant, Iwasn't.
We wasn't doing them crimestogether.
We wasn't doing none of that.
So it was like you saying thatwe laid in bed with a snake, but
that's not what was reallygoing on, bro, and me personally
(01:59):
, I'm going through my pillprocess and all that.
So I don't really feel I don'treally be talking about none of
that, because I'm on a differenttype of time.
You feel me?
I'm on a different type of time.
And all this shit I used toglorify before, all this shit
happened, I'm not interested inthat.
It doesn't entice me no more.
The streets don't entice me nomore.
Like living life, that's whatI'm enticed by.
(02:21):
That's things that ent Enticedby.
That's things that that enticeme Nowadays.
You know, building the thing,building the brand, getting my
money when it needs to be.
You know what I'm saying.
Like all the Privileged streetshit and all that Black shit,
all that shit Got me aheadFighting for my life In here.
(02:42):
You know so, I'm not reallyInto that.
Like that no more fight for mylife in here.
You know so, I'm not reallyinto that.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Like that no more.
You know, yeah, yeah,respectfully, yeah, man, yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
What's the vibe?
Speaker 3 (02:55):
though.
So you know everybody wants toknow the situation with with Son
and how he told on you.
You know how that took place,so I just wanted to know if you
would speak on that.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Who you talking about , Because it was a couple of
people that told on me Uh.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Daesh, they're speaking on me?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Nah, I prefer not on me.
Dave Nah, I prefer not.
I prefer not to speak on him.
You know, I prefer not to speakon him, man, because he,
hopefully that he's living hislife.
He got whatever he wanted.
He got whatever, hopefully,from what he did, hopefully he
(03:43):
got whatever he wanted to getout of life.
You know, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
So, me personally, I choose not to speak when I
Respectfully, are you willing tospeak about who else told on
you?
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yeah, we good, we good.
I would just say at this time,I feel like at the end of the
day, I feel like at this time Ifeel like people know what's up.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
You feel me?
People already know what's up.
My case was like all over thenews.
I was being escorted to courtwith ESU, with AR-15.
It wasn't a secret what wasgoing on.
People want to act like it's asecret and they want to act like
it's under the bus and sweep itunder the bus.
They got hey, bro, it's adifferent era now.
(04:37):
Geez, I didn't come up in thisera.
I don't recognize this era.
I don't recognize the dudesthat proclaim they gangsters in
this era.
This is they ever.
Y'all can have this ever, butfor the people that came up in
my era, that's still out there,that's walking by these cats,
whatever happened.
Yo, that's what I with Laddie.
(04:58):
Let me hit on what LaddieGlover said in the interview
that's called getting in a bedwith a snake.
I was saying it's difficultgetting in a bed with a snake.
These dudes is living withsnakes, eating with snakes,
doing all this shit with snakesand then when they get bit, now
(05:20):
it's over, Like now it's like,oh, like, oh.
Now all this shit come up.
When it happens to them, theywant to highlight it, but when
it's somebody else that theydon't really matter, they sweep
it under the bus until ithappens to them.
So all I'm saying is this Y'allknow what's going on, it's not
(05:45):
a secret.
Don't wait until you get bitand then try to point your mouth
and put it out there and allthat.
I mean, I'm the type of dude Ido shit.
I keep it in the street, Idon't run the police.
I don't run the police becauseif you really want to get
(06:05):
technical, those is our will.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
That's a fact.
The police the government.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
If you really want to get technical, those are the
real ops.
That's a fact.
The police, the government, thegovernment, these police, they
are out there killing us.
They got a right to kill us andthat's what they're doing.
They're doing that to the bestof their ability.
They're doing that Any chancethey get.
They're killing us, Killing us,Killing us With no penance,
doing that Every chance they get.
They're killing us, killing us,killing us with no, with no
penance.
They not be having time upuntil recently, but it's always
(06:32):
a manslaughter or a lower gradedhomicide, Like if I did it,
they calling it a massacre.
They vote out of proportion.
They do it.
It's like you know what I'msaying.
So he's like just know whenyour real opps is.
Those are the opps, bro.
(06:53):
Those are the ones that areblocking us down.
They're blocking us down.
They're telling us we gotnatural life in prison, like
there's nothing for them.
They tell us they give a dude.
They gave him two natural lifesentences and then went to go
have coffee after that yeah.
He's doing a six case, like youfeel me.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
So it was like wow, you said you was just in a spot
with Bill Knight, right?
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah, I was in a spot with Bill Knight.
I was with Billy.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Was Billy able to produce that paperwork and show
you why the streets called Dozena rat?
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Absolutely not.
You know, bill Knight, that'ssomebody that I grew up with.
Man, that's Bill.
And you know, as soon as I wentthere, you know a dozen is my
family man.
But family or not, you're right, I don't deal with you.
I won't talk to you, I won't.
(08:00):
We're not doing nothing to usand to this day I was always on
dozen songs because that's myfamily, until I think that
paperwork.
I want to see the paperwork.
So I never believed that aboutdoesn't, because I never seen
the paperwork.
People talk because people,because people in my family
(08:23):
forever.
They talk about them.
They talk about them.
They talk about me.
They do just chat.
But they know, when I was outthere stepping dudes moved out
my way.
You understand what I'm saying.
So, no matter what, at the endof the day, bill, I pulled up my
bro.
He talked highly about me.
(08:44):
I was my brother.
I pulled up on the phone.
I know it was the mom, you knowhe.
He told Holly about it.
I was my brother, I remember.
But you know some people don'tunderstand what they get
themselves into.
So I asked him.
I said listen, you got thepaperwork on double.
He said yeah.
I said, all right, let me seethat.
Let me see that.
Let me see that, respectfully,that's my family.
Let me see that paperwork, bro.
(09:05):
He said, alright, so he comes,he gives me a paper, but I'm
like this is all you have.
I asked him personally and wecould be right here and I asked
him to himself this is the onlypaper you got, a legend that
doesn't.
He said yes, it was a policeinterview.
And I asked him to his cell.
I said, is this the only paperyou got alleging that Duggan is
(09:26):
a rat?
He said yes, it was a policeinterview.
There's no statement withDuggan's name on it.
There's no line-up with Dugganin it.
And we got Gallucci.
That was the lawyer in thatcase.
That verified that as well.
There was the lawyer in thatcase that verified that I was
black.
(09:46):
There was no wax in that man'scase.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Once I'm talking, so it's like you pumping, you doing
this.
I didn't got interested.
I didn't got interested withdudes that I came up with in the
streets like beats Dudes tryingto violate Sean Tate, me, and
Sean Tate got shaken with dudesat the UTL over this shit bro.
(10:15):
So that shit was crazy.
That shit was a crazy thing.
This is all he did to find outthat that shit wasn't really.
You don't really got no realevidence that he was telling you
, but a police interview thatyou get a police piece.
His signature is not on thatpolice interview so the police
(10:39):
could have said anything and ifyou read the police interview,
this shit sounds so stupid.
Like that shit sounds crazy,like that shit wasn't even
believable.
I couldn't even.
If the streets need to see that, the streets need Bill Knight,
(10:59):
make Bill Knight send thatpaperwork, because that
paperwork I've been seeing onthe internet, that shit is fake.
Only thing, bill Knight he toldme this out loud and he a
gangster.
I'm a gangster, nigga.
You said that that was the onlything you had on Dozen was a
police interview, no signature.
It was nothing, with Dozenpointing nobody out.
(11:21):
It was no signature or nostatement.
It was nothing like that.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
So I'm dozen and back , dozen and back.
You can't jack.
Dozen and back on me, bro.
You did that shit for years,just for me to come and find out
that that shit was never.
That shit was never the case,bro.
And any real nigga that's beennever the case bro, and any real
nigga that's been in the kidand the system, they gonna tell
(11:47):
you that's not valid, that's notvalid.
You can't say a dude snitchedon you unless you got proof of
that, especially when youbanging and you saying a
motherfucker telling on you yougot 30 days to produce that
paperwork unless your head getchopped off.
You know what I'm saying.
Tell that man to produce thatpaperwork.
(12:11):
Tell him to produce thatpaperwork.
Tell him his lawyer wasGallucci.
Tell him to get Gallucci toverify that Duggan was telling
him.
Other than that, don't jack.
Duggan was telling.
Duggan was telling on nobodybro.
He didn't tell on nobody bro.
He didn't tell on nobody bro.
He didn't tell on nobody bro.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
You feel me.
50 pages, or something likethat, of paperwork or shit that
Bill Knight has sent out back inthe day, or whatever the case
may be.
So if I ever run across it,I'll definitely send it to you
pages of ministers.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Bro you telling me that doesn't.
His statement is 50 pages long.
Y'all niggas is haters.
I said it's some weird shit.
Produce that, though.
(13:13):
Produce that though, andwhoever that is, don't be a
secret.
Don't keep yourself a secret,or none of that.
Produce that paperwork, becausewe got the loochie, we got the
loochie, we got the loochiesaying that it was no vaccine.
Bill's not kidding.
So we're not going to beataround the bush because that
gets down to the nitty-gritty.
(13:34):
Everybody's saying they gotpaperwork on Dutton High.
Y'all niggas had fun with thatshit for years.
But I'm telling you I'm acertified hitter.
That's my family.
If he was wrong, by all meansget him Bruh, because I don't
deal with rats.
I'm in jail for a rat.
Nigga Bruh, I don't condonenone of that.
I don't deal with them.
I don't shoot them.
(13:55):
I don't do none of that.
But you're saying dozens ofrats, y'all niggas jacking
dozens of rats.
Produce the.
Produce the paperwork and makesure it's a deal.
Because as far as I know, Iasked Bill Knight myself and if
he's against it, he's going totell you the same shit, which I
know he is.
Bill Knight ain't no fuckingpushover.
(14:15):
He's going to tell you he onlygot that one paper.
It's nothing else besides thatpolice interview.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Yeah, you gotta fix your headphones, bro.
Hello.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yeah, I hear you much better now.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Yeah, I mean, it's the digital era now.
We're going to give him 14.
We're going to give him 14 andI'll get back to you.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
You heard?
Yeah, you know, lafayettebasically made that nigga
Gallucci.
He's like, he's done it.
Gallucci bitch, he's not goingback.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
And that's.
I'm going to leave it at that.
All right, moving along, yeah,so what's?
Speaker 2 (15:55):
the conditions like in Upstate Correctional Facility
.
Now, yo, this shit is likeentrenched in a dungeon.
This shit is literally like.
This shit is like a.
This shit is like a modern day,like a A plantation.
This shit is like a modern dayplantation, where it's like they
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got all these young blacklatino brothers, a little
sprinkle of like dudes, aroundon this plantation and they just
validating.
It's gotten to the.
It's gotten to the point wherethey're scrambling so bad
(16:42):
because of all these murdersthat have been popping up with
these CEOs that's infectingtheir own co-workers, their own
staff, sending them to thehospital, jacking that.
(17:03):
It's us bringing drugs inthrough the visits and wherever
else we're bringing drugs in.
But my thing is this If webringing it in, how, it's true
to fully, how?
(17:26):
two inmates go to a clinic.
Yeah, they using things likethis to create a state of
emergency, to weaponize, takeour visit so we can't see our
family.
They just had us locked in thisshit for not long, just locked
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in, giving us the phone everythree days.
They didn't get the phone andshit.
This shit is hell.
This shit is hell on earth, bro.
This shit is crazy.
Bro, my mission, my solemission at this point in my life
, being I'm 36 now.
I came to jail when I was 25.
My sole mission is to get thefuck out of here.
(18:12):
Man, you feel me?
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
My mission is to get At these kind of places Because
and dudes out there, y'all needto be aware of the shit that
y'all glorifying, y'all killingeach other.
I had a, I did that one day,right, and I had people Flack on
certain things, right, and youknow the shit that killed me the
(18:36):
most.
It's one shit that killed methe most is one thing that
killed me the most.
I got my, I got my fame and mynotoriety or killed my own
people.
Yeah, yeah, flying my visitpictures and all that.
(19:15):
That shit is mad stupid to me,bro, like real talk.
You got dudes out there thattaking flights, going to Dubai,
living they life on yachts,switching up vehicles, taking
care of they family.
Yo, I'm so mad that I didn'tknow the shit I know now been,
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because I would have never, Iwould have never, ever, ever,
ever been in this type oflifestyle.
This shit is stupid.
It don't amount to nothing.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
So, with that being said, what's your message for
the youth and the people thatare out there right now that are
trying to live the lifestylethat you, that you know, trying
to reach the fame and notorietythat you've acquired from you
know doing what you've done inthe streets?
What's your message to theniggas out there now?
Speaker 2 (20:04):
My message to y'all out there right now is I respect
y'all young dudes.
I respect y'all drilling, y'alldoing what y'all doing, but do
it for a cause.
If you gonna stain, you gonnadrill, do it for a cause.
Don't kill your own people, bro.
Don't be the reason why youkilling your own people, bro.
(20:26):
Don't get your notoriety ofkilling your own people or
destroying your own communitiesLike.
Live life.
It's more life outside thatsquare that you're living in.
It's more life, bro.
It's so much more to life thanthe four corners of Stapleton or
(20:49):
West Brighton or the harbor orJust live your life, bro,
because don't wait until youcatch that thing and you famous
and now you're sitting in jailand the same niggas you was
running around with that wasyour mans.
You was running around onstains with them.
Niggas can't even give you adollar Because in all reality
(21:10):
y'all niggas is stained and shit.
Y'all niggas is broke.
I got more money than y'allniggas.
Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Let's do it.
Let's do it Because I got moremoney than y'all niggas out
there, right?
Speaker 2 (21:21):
now, for sure, for sure.
Get your money up, get money,enjoy life Respectfully, Like
you understand what I'm saying.
Stop drilling and going ondrills and destroying your own
community, bro.
Live life, get money, go toschool, educate yourself More
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wealth, because we only live onetime, bro.
We only live one time bro.
I was younger and I knew thethings I knew.
Now I would never be in thestreets holding a gun, chasing a
dude that could be my brother.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Yeah, if you could go back in time, where do you
think you would be now?
What do you think you would bedoing?
Speaker 2 (22:13):
If I could go back in time, where would I be now?
I would be Jay-Z, I would beStaten Island, hollywood.
I would be about my business.
I would be on top of the world.
I would be rich, I would berich, I would be rich, for sure,
(22:36):
for sure.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
You know, when I was younger, I used to be rich For
sure, for sure.
Yeah, you know, when I wasyounger, I used to get.
You know that it's easy to getthe money.
It's easy to get the money runit up, but to save it and hold
it and invest it and do thingslike that, I didn't know nothing
about that.
All I knew was my investmentswas a pair of products, a pair
(22:59):
of good seats, a good fit, someliquor, weed and a bad bitch to
run around with love.
That's all I cared about.
That's all I cared about.
Now I'm seeing how you couldinvest your money on fixing
houses and real estate and shitlike that, and you could get so
(23:21):
much more money building thiscredit up and all that.
Bro, I'm so like my vernacularis so extensive nowadays.
It's just like I'm on adifferent timing.
I'm on a different timing, bro.
I'm trying to build and takecare of my family.
(23:41):
That's my goal.
Man For real man, don't get ittwisted though.
Don't get it twisted, I meanit's still late, a thousand
percent, but it's lit towardsShit that really matters.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Yeah, I could jack that.
Yeah, I could jack that.
You wanna talk about yourgrievance?
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Oh, the grievance.
Oh yeah, I put a grievance in.
Yeah, I put a grievance in.
Recently I put a grievance in.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
When did you put a grievance in?
Yeah, I put a grievance in.
Recently I put a grievance in.
When did you put the grievancein?
Speaker 2 (24:21):
I put the grievance in on the 28th of February.
I put the grievance in becausethere was a strike.
The police had went on a strikein New York State and I went on
a visit.
This is the craziest shit.
I went on a visit.
This is the crazy shit.
I went on a visit February 17th.
I went on a visit with my womanand my son.
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I went on a visit with myfamily and after the visit we
had a thousand police out therein car hard suits and pool
safety masks, striking, talkingabout they want to work in safer
environments and all this otherweird shit.
Mind you, this is coming afterthe whole thing with the Brooks
(25:07):
kid.
I don't know if you're familiarwith it.
They killed an innocent,harmless dude that's locked up,
killed him, beat him with frozenwater bottles, killed him for
no reason, bruh.
So this got exposed.
This got exposed.
So it's like these evil assfucking guys up here.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Yeah, headphones going in and out again.
Hello, yeah.
Yeah, headphones was going inand out.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Yeah, pardon.
So these shit is trash bro.
This is the shit.
They give us some $2 headphonesand this shit pulls shit.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
But they pulled a stunt when they knew that that
motor was going to come outbecause the commissioner of
corrections they put some shitout.
He put a memo out saying thatthey was investigating some shit
that happened in Marcy and thenall of a sudden that shit was
(26:11):
exposed, the homicide wasexposed and Marcy correctional
facility with the books.
May he rest in peace.
And you know, I send mycondolences out there to the
family because that's hard,that's hard for anybody, any
family, to see people that gotkids.
That was hard like.
But, um, so you know, theypulled it.
(26:32):
They came up with some thingswhere they brought some shit
inside the jail that sent a lotof these nurses and staff to the
ER.
But if you really look at it,if it's coming from us, why
(26:53):
wasn't we going to the ER and tothe hospital and having to be
knock-'d and all this shit?
How the fuck it go from comingfrom us to only affecting y'all?
Yeah, yeah, not canned out.
(27:28):
If it's that strong we can take40, 40 staff out.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
One person had no one person got.
No, no, no, no, no, no wins onthat.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
And this is the incident that happened on
January 23rd right.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Yes.
That was the incident thathappened on January 23rd,
because you know, when you inthe jail you hear things.
You hear, oh, medical emergency, medical emergency all the time
, with all these fucking medicalemergencies, and the nurses
went on strike, oh, we want towork in safer places.
And then you had the policethat went on strike.
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So basically they just lefttheir jobs.
That's what's in here.
So basically they just lefttheir jobs, left us in here.
No food, no adequate food, noshowers, no food, no nothing.
They just left us with dead inhere.
Man, I was down in Boston witha dude.
He killed himself, bro.
He killed himself Over the phone.
(28:29):
Over the phone Because hecouldn't talk to his girl.
He had a bad phone call and hejust wanted to talk to his thing
.
Because you know they beef Likeyo why you not call me?
It's hard for some people to doa bitch when you in prison and
you doing time and you gotpeople out there that love you
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and that's doing time, theydoing the time with you.
Bro, they feeling shit.
Take that strongly, if notstronger than you, bro, because
they want their kids home, theywant their fathers home, they
want their family to come home.
So it's hard on them too.
So sometimes it getsoverwhelming and families is
like you know what?
I don't want to do this no more.
(29:12):
And dudes in here that yeah,that's crazy, you have one
(29:33):
minute left.
They not doing their Hold on.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Call you back, alright.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
The caller has.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Yeah, we got my boy Hal Rowe back on the throne.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Wraithman, you see me .
What's going on?
Good man, you see me.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
What's going on?
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Okay, okay, yeah, get your mind right.
You know what I mean.
Yeah, I'm in the spa.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
I'm in my spa, I you in your cell right now.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Yeah, I'm in the spa.
I'm in my spa.
I'm in my cell right nowCooling.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
For people that haven't been to prison.
You know what I'm saying.
There's a lot of listeners thathaven't been to prison.
They don't know what a cellconsists of.
So how big is the cell?
You in, you in a box.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yeah, I'm in a coupe right now but I'm single cell,
so the cell is made for two men.
So I'm in a double bunk cellbut I'm single cell, nobody
coming in.
I'm the only one in my spot.
So I got the red pin.
It's a red pin in the back,it's a shower and it's the um.
I got the red pen.
It's a red pen in the back.
It's a shower and it's twobunks and it's a toilet seat.
(30:57):
That's it and you got.
They give you all your clothes,sneakers and all that type shit
.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
And you get your, you get a, you get a phone in there
too.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
You, you get the phone in there too.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Yeah, yeah to do so.
(31:39):
I got my own tab, so this timeI'm rocking out.
Yeah.
So how long, like, how long areyou in that cell do you get to?
Speaker 2 (31:42):
oh, you said, the rec pen is in the back right there.
Yeah, it's in the back, so youdon't leave yourself like only
time you leave yourself, onlytime you leave your cell.
Only time you leave your cellis if you go to a visit or you
go to like a call out of sight,that's it.
Other than that, you in thespot.
(32:03):
If you go to rec, you just stepout the back door.
Like you step out the back doorinto your rec room with like a
cage.
This shit look like a kennel,like if you ever seen a door
kennel, that's how it is A bunchof weirdo niggas in a bunch of
cages, bro.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Yeah, this shit is weirded out, bro.
Is there like weights in yourrec pan or something you get to
work out?
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Yeah, you can work out.
There ain't no weights in there.
They never put weights in there, but dudes do pull-ups off the
gates.
Dudes make pull-up balls ontheir vents.
In the sound I made a pull-upball on my vent, so it's like
two angels coming down with theshoestrings and you know I'm
getting it in like that.
You know what I mean mean.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
So you be getting right, doing your calisthenics,
your pushups, your crunches andall that.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Yeah, yeah, definitely Me and my lady.
We got a thing going on when we, where we, where we fasting.
We fast everyday, every day wefast, we eat one meal.
We don't drink nothing, wedon't do nothing, we just fast
Eat one meal.
We, bro, we don't drink nothing, we don't do nothing, we just
fast Eat one meal, we work outand then we eat another meal.
(33:16):
This is everyday, bro.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
We on that, we on different times, we on different
times.
We're healthy, trying to stayhealthy.
You know, because a lot ofdudes come to prison and they
indulge in a lot of unhealthyshit, ind.
You know, because a lot ofdudes come to prison and they
indulge in a lot of unhealthy.
I just doled in a lot ofunhealthy.
You know, eating a lot ofunhealthy.
I'm trying to survive.
(33:42):
I'm not trying to do all thistime and then come out and drop
dead, like because that seemedto be the norm nowadays.
What's?
Speaker 3 (33:49):
going on, you know.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Uh, not really, I don't know, and I'm not gonna
say I'm not one of the goodbrothers.
I don't eat pork, I don'twhatever.
It's just that that shit is notaround me.
That shit is not around me LikeI ain't really, I don't really
indulge in pork like that,because it's not around me.
The brothers don't cook.
(34:15):
You know what I'm saying?
I'm around a lot of rocksters.
They don't cook that shit, so Idon't eat it.
Bruh, my mama loves it.
She always think I would eatthat shit, even if I was in the
streets.
Bruh, I just don't eat it.
I don't eat red meat.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
How you cook at all in there.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Bruh, you don't cook in a box.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
You get meals, you get chips.
You get chips.
They give you meals like riceso you like you might throw the
rice in a fish, throw some chipsin there, like.
Like that type, like you don'treally eat too good when you're
in a box, like it's a bunch ofthat you may eat and I say I
stay away from that really wellhow much more time?
(35:03):
You got in the box I get out.
In july I got nine months inthe box for a shooting.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
I got nine months in the box for a shooting.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Okay, yeah, I was in and I got, I got, I went to the
box for a shooting.
So I'm in the box for ninemonths.
I get out in July.
I've been in this shit sinceNovember.
I've been in this shit sinceNovember.
Word, I don't got that muchtime in the pool, but I'm
(35:33):
working on my appeal heavy.
You know what I mean.
I'm working on my appeal, man,that's what I'm doing.
I'm working on my appeal andI'm trying to build my funds up
and build my family and makethem stronger, like get my
family, make my inner familystronger.
You know I took some golfersthis year.
Rest in peace to my Uncle,family strong.
You know I took some doses thisyear.
Rest in peace to my uncle,michael Brown.
(35:54):
That was like the.
He was like the man of ourfamily.
He set the tone for the family,for the men Now I mean.
He passed away, so rest inpeace to him.
And then recently I just lostmy cousin Shifey.
He just had a heart attack andhe had to cardiac arrest at work
.
He did time in the fed, 10years in the fed.
(36:16):
He came home and, um, he gothis life together.
He started working, he got intothe union or whatever.
For whatever he was involvedconstruction whatever and one
day he went to work and he justpassed away.
So you know, rest in peace.
To my cousin Shifey, you know,rest in peace, construction
whatever, and one day he went towork and he just passed away.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
So you know, rest in peace to my cousin Shifey, you
know, rest in peace.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Yeah, rest in peace.
I got to keep the familytogether.
You know I'm still being a glue, taking care of my family, just
doing everything, trying to doeverything for man.
It's hard like you feel me.
Yeah, I'm trying to doeverything from there.
And it's hard like you feel me.
Yeah, I'm trying to get backout there.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
You know what I mean.
You got anybody you want toshout out.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Show some love to.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Shout out.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Definitely, traj.
Yeah, definitely, you know,definitely.
Shout out to Trackhole, Bro.
I love you, bro, hold your head.
When I get out of here I'mcoming to get you.
Don't worry about it, man, Igot you.
We all go through our shit.
We all make mistakes in life,bro.
But as long as you can learnfrom the mistakes and make it
(37:31):
better and be a better person,that's what counts, man, don't
count yourself out.
Don't let these dudes count youout.
Stay healthy, word brother.
Shout out to Franchise.
That's my brother, that's myheart.
Shout out to Cash.
Shout out to the Mola.
Shout out to the ProtectPhilippe.
(37:52):
You heard Free Him.
You heard Just shout to theRave.
Free the Rave.
You know what I'm saying.
There's too many.
Shout to Fleet Fleeto, I loveyou, bro.
You're a killer.
Welcome home.
I love you, bro.
You know what I'm saying?
Trap, that's my baby.
Fat ass.
I love you, nigga.
(38:12):
Shout out to my brother E he inthe can.
Free my bro.
E bro, free my little brother.
E Little crazy nigga.
He locked up.
Shout out to my sisters outthere, alexis and Alicia.
I love y'all, y'all my babies.
I love y'all my moms.
I love you, my family man, thisfamily bro.
(38:35):
Anybody I forgot.
Fuck y'all niggas Straight upwhat was in my mother's life.
That's how I feel Niggas.
(39:09):
Don't give a you.
Yeah, get my ass in.
You heard?
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Yeah, I already know.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Know what's going on.
Oh, shout to my brother, mytwin too, paul and Shelly Never
fuck with your family, notfamily.
That's my brother.
I love you, nigga, winnie.
I love you, doc.
What's up?
You know what's up.
I love you too, bro.
My family, I think this is myfamily.
So when I say family, I part itout Love.
(39:39):
So that was that love.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Yeah, that's it, man Report.
Absolutely Go ahead, say whatyou was going to say.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
I appreciate you for doing this.
To clarify a couple of thingsgiving a brother a voice to add
rattle to us.
You know a lot of people.
They got a misconception aboutme, like you feel me.
They think they hear my namelike, oh, this nigga's some
crazy big black crazy.
You feel me, but I'm reallyjust.
(40:12):
I'm really just one of y'all.
I'm really just a.
I'm an ordinary guy, bro.
You feel me.
I've did things in my past,right, that defied my reputation
, but I'm trying to change a lotof shit around, bro.
I'm trying to be known as amoney getter.
I want to be known as somebodythat's a family man and all that
(40:36):
, all that silly shit from whenI was back then.
Fuck all that.
That shit got me here like andthis ain't no accolade that I
want being in prison for life.
This shit is corny like bro.
Yeah, so you knowny like bruhyeah, so you know, you hear it
though Everybody.
I got everybody supported.
(40:58):
Man support free me, man FreeHelly.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
Free Helly, what the.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Helly, what the Helly ?
You know what's going on, yeahabsolutely you, you know,
natalie, I'm still here, I'mstill alive.
I'm still alive, I'm stillhealthy, I'm still gorgeous, as
ever.
I'm taking off.
I got a beautiful wife, youfeel me, but I'm still healthy.
I'm here.
I'll be there in a second andthat's where I'm on.
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Speaker 2 (00:33):
Maybe on let's connect them.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
All right.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Yeah, what's the word ?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
What's the word?
What's going?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
on Introduce yourself .
Let the people know who they'retalking to.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I know it's about how well with the alley, what's
going on?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
All right, so let's get into the first thing.
I know you wanted to offer someclarity because your name was
mentioned In episode 4 withLarry Love, and I know you
wanted to, you know, speak onsome things, offering clarity
with that, so I just wanted youto get that off your chest first
.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, you know, shout out toLarry Love, that's big bro and
shit.
But you know You've been onphones, lost the phones for 7
years, so you're not really hip.
So let me put you hip.
First and foremost, we wasn'tdealing with the kids, bro.
You didn't have to tell us noneof that.
We already was aware of certainthings.
(01:36):
Bro, he wasn't my co-defendant,I wasn't my co-defendant, I
wasn't.
We wasn't doing them crimestogether.
We wasn't my co-defendant, Iwasn't.
We wasn't doing them crimestogether.
We wasn't doing none of that.
So it was like you saying thatwe laid in bed with a snake, but
that's not what was reallygoing on, bro, and me personally
(01:59):
, I'm going through my pillprocess and all that.
So I don't really feel I don'treally be talking about none of
that, because I'm on a differenttype of time.
You feel me?
I'm on a different type of time.
And all this shit I used toglorify before, all this shit
happened, I'm not interested inthat.
It doesn't entice me no more.
The streets don't entice me nomore.
Like living life, that's whatI'm enticed by.
(02:21):
That's things that ent Enticedby.
That's things that that enticeme Nowadays.
You know, building the thing,building the brand, getting my
money when it needs to be.
You know what I'm saying.
Like all the Privileged streetshit and all that Black shit,
all that shit Got me aheadFighting for my life In here.
(02:42):
You know so, I'm not reallyInto that.
Like that no more fight for mylife in here.
You know so, I'm not reallyinto that.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Like that no more.
You know, yeah, yeah,respectfully, yeah, man, yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
What's the vibe?
Speaker 3 (02:55):
though.
So you know everybody wants toknow the situation with with Son
and how he told on you.
You know how that took place,so I just wanted to know if you
would speak on that.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Who you talking about , Because it was a couple of
people that told on me Uh.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Daesh, they're speaking on me?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Nah, I prefer not on me.
Dave Nah, I prefer not.
I prefer not to speak on him.
You know, I prefer not to speakon him, man, because he,
hopefully that he's living hislife.
He got whatever he wanted.
He got whatever, hopefully,from what he did, hopefully he
(03:43):
got whatever he wanted to getout of life.
You know, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
So, me personally, I choose not to speak when I
Respectfully, are you willing tospeak about who else told on
you?
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yeah, we good, we good.
I would just say at this time,I feel like at the end of the
day, I feel like at this time Ifeel like people know what's up.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
You feel me?
People already know what's up.
My case was like all over thenews.
I was being escorted to courtwith ESU, with AR-15.
It wasn't a secret what wasgoing on.
People want to act like it's asecret and they want to act like
it's under the bus and sweep itunder the bus.
They got hey, bro, it's adifferent era now.
(04:37):
Geez, I didn't come up in thisera.
I don't recognize this era.
I don't recognize the dudesthat proclaim they gangsters in
this era.
This is they ever.
Y'all can have this ever, butfor the people that came up in
my era, that's still out there,that's walking by these cats,
whatever happened.
Yo, that's what I with Laddie.
(04:58):
Let me hit on what LaddieGlover said in the interview
that's called getting in a bedwith a snake.
I was saying it's difficultgetting in a bed with a snake.
These dudes is living withsnakes, eating with snakes,
doing all this shit with snakesand then when they get bit, now
(05:20):
it's over, Like now it's like,oh, like, oh.
Now all this shit come up.
When it happens to them, theywant to highlight it, but when
it's somebody else that theydon't really matter, they sweep
it under the bus until ithappens to them.
So all I'm saying is this Y'allknow what's going on, it's not
(05:45):
a secret.
Don't wait until you get bitand then try to point your mouth
and put it out there and allthat.
I mean, I'm the type of dude Ido shit.
I keep it in the street, Idon't run the police.
I don't run the police becauseif you really want to get
(06:05):
technical, those is our will.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
That's a fact.
The police the government.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
If you really want to get technical, those are the
real ops.
That's a fact.
The police, the government, thegovernment, these police, they
are out there killing us.
They got a right to kill us andthat's what they're doing.
They're doing that to the bestof their ability.
They're doing that Any chancethey get.
They're killing us, Killing us,Killing us With no penance,
doing that Every chance they get.
They're killing us, killing us,killing us with no, with no
penance.
They not be having time upuntil recently, but it's always
(06:32):
a manslaughter or a lower gradedhomicide, Like if I did it,
they calling it a massacre.
They vote out of proportion.
They do it.
It's like you know what I'msaying.
So he's like just know whenyour real opps is.
Those are the opps, bro.
(06:53):
Those are the ones that areblocking us down.
They're blocking us down.
They're telling us we gotnatural life in prison, like
there's nothing for them.
They tell us they give a dude.
They gave him two natural lifesentences and then went to go
have coffee after that yeah.
He's doing a six case, like youfeel me.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
So it was like wow, you said you was just in a spot
with Bill Knight, right?
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah, I was in a spot with Bill Knight.
I was with Billy.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Was Billy able to produce that paperwork and show
you why the streets called Dozena rat?
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Absolutely not.
You know, bill Knight, that'ssomebody that I grew up with.
Man, that's Bill.
And you know, as soon as I wentthere, you know a dozen is my
family man.
But family or not, you're right, I don't deal with you.
I won't talk to you, I won't.
(08:00):
We're not doing nothing to usand to this day I was always on
dozen songs because that's myfamily, until I think that
paperwork.
I want to see the paperwork.
So I never believed that aboutdoesn't, because I never seen
the paperwork.
People talk because people,because people in my family
(08:23):
forever.
They talk about them.
They talk about them.
They talk about me.
They do just chat.
But they know, when I was outthere stepping dudes moved out
my way.
You understand what I'm saying.
So, no matter what, at the endof the day, bill, I pulled up my
bro.
He talked highly about me.
(08:44):
I was my brother.
I pulled up on the phone.
I know it was the mom, you knowhe.
He told Holly about it.
I was my brother, I remember.
But you know some people don'tunderstand what they get
themselves into.
So I asked him.
I said listen, you got thepaperwork on double.
He said yeah.
I said, all right, let me seethat.
Let me see that.
Let me see that, respectfully,that's my family.
Let me see that paperwork, bro.
(09:05):
He said, alright, so he comes,he gives me a paper, but I'm
like this is all you have.
I asked him personally and wecould be right here and I asked
him to himself this is the onlypaper you got, a legend that
doesn't.
He said yes, it was a policeinterview.
And I asked him to his cell.
I said, is this the only paperyou got alleging that Duggan is
(09:26):
a rat?
He said yes, it was a policeinterview.
There's no statement withDuggan's name on it.
There's no line-up with Dugganin it.
And we got Gallucci.
That was the lawyer in thatcase.
That verified that as well.
There was the lawyer in thatcase that verified that I was
black.
(09:46):
There was no wax in that man'scase.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Once I'm talking, so it's like you pumping, you doing
this.
I didn't got interested.
I didn't got interested withdudes that I came up with in the
streets like beats Dudes tryingto violate Sean Tate, me, and
Sean Tate got shaken with dudesat the UTL over this shit bro.
(10:15):
So that shit was crazy.
That shit was a crazy thing.
This is all he did to find outthat that shit wasn't really.
You don't really got no realevidence that he was telling you
, but a police interview thatyou get a police piece.
His signature is not on thatpolice interview so the police
(10:39):
could have said anything and ifyou read the police interview,
this shit sounds so stupid.
Like that shit sounds crazy,like that shit wasn't even
believable.
I couldn't even.
If the streets need to see that, the streets need Bill Knight,
(10:59):
make Bill Knight send thatpaperwork, because that
paperwork I've been seeing onthe internet, that shit is fake.
Only thing, bill Knight he toldme this out loud and he a
gangster.
I'm a gangster, nigga.
You said that that was the onlything you had on Dozen was a
police interview, no signature.
It was nothing, with Dozenpointing nobody out.
(11:21):
It was no signature or nostatement.
It was nothing like that.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
So I'm dozen and back , dozen and back.
You can't jack.
Dozen and back on me, bro.
You did that shit for years,just for me to come and find out
that that shit was never.
That shit was never the case,bro.
And any real nigga that's beennever the case bro, and any real
nigga that's been in the kidand the system, they gonna tell
(11:47):
you that's not valid, that's notvalid.
You can't say a dude snitchedon you unless you got proof of
that, especially when youbanging and you saying a
motherfucker telling on you yougot 30 days to produce that
paperwork unless your head getchopped off.
You know what I'm saying.
Tell that man to produce thatpaperwork.
(12:11):
Tell him to produce thatpaperwork.
Tell him his lawyer wasGallucci.
Tell him to get Gallucci toverify that Duggan was telling
him.
Other than that, don't jack.
Duggan was telling.
Duggan was telling on nobodybro.
He didn't tell on nobody bro.
He didn't tell on nobody bro.
He didn't tell on nobody bro.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
You feel me.
50 pages, or something likethat, of paperwork or shit that
Bill Knight has sent out back inthe day, or whatever the case
may be.
So if I ever run across it,I'll definitely send it to you
pages of ministers.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Bro you telling me that doesn't.
His statement is 50 pages long.
Y'all niggas is haters.
I said it's some weird shit.
Produce that, though.
(13:13):
Produce that though, andwhoever that is, don't be a
secret.
Don't keep yourself a secret,or none of that.
Produce that paperwork, becausewe got the loochie, we got the
loochie, we got the loochiesaying that it was no vaccine.
Bill's not kidding.
So we're not going to beataround the bush because that
gets down to the nitty-gritty.
(13:34):
Everybody's saying they gotpaperwork on Dutton High.
Y'all niggas had fun with thatshit for years.
But I'm telling you I'm acertified hitter.
That's my family.
If he was wrong, by all meansget him Bruh, because I don't
deal with rats.
I'm in jail for a rat.
Nigga Bruh, I don't condonenone of that.
I don't deal with them.
I don't shoot them.
(13:55):
I don't do none of that.
But you're saying dozens ofrats, y'all niggas jacking
dozens of rats.
Produce the.
Produce the paperwork and makesure it's a deal.
Because as far as I know, Iasked Bill Knight myself and if
he's against it, he's going totell you the same shit, which I
know he is.
Bill Knight ain't no fuckingpushover.
(14:15):
He's going to tell you he onlygot that one paper.
It's nothing else besides thatpolice interview.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Yeah, you gotta fix your headphones, bro.
Hello.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yeah, I hear you much better now.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Yeah, I mean, it's the digital era now.
We're going to give him 14.
We're going to give him 14 andI'll get back to you.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
You heard?
Yeah, you know, lafayettebasically made that nigga
Gallucci.
He's like, he's done it.
Gallucci bitch, he's not goingback.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
And that's.
I'm going to leave it at that.
All right, moving along, yeah,so what's?
Speaker 2 (15:55):
the conditions like in Upstate Correctional Facility
.
Now, yo, this shit is likeentrenched in a dungeon.
This shit is literally like.
This shit is like a.
This shit is like a modern day,like a A plantation.
This shit is like a modern dayplantation, where it's like they
(16:19):
got all these young blacklatino brothers, a little
sprinkle of like dudes, aroundon this plantation and they just
validating.
It's gotten to the.
It's gotten to the point wherethey're scrambling so bad
(16:42):
because of all these murdersthat have been popping up with
these CEOs that's infectingtheir own co-workers, their own
staff, sending them to thehospital, jacking that.
(17:03):
It's us bringing drugs inthrough the visits and wherever
else we're bringing drugs in.
But my thing is this If webringing it in, how, it's true
to fully, how?
(17:26):
two inmates go to a clinic.
Yeah, they using things likethis to create a state of
emergency, to weaponize, takeour visit so we can't see our
family.
They just had us locked in thisshit for not long, just locked
(17:50):
in, giving us the phone everythree days.
They didn't get the phone andshit.
This shit is hell.
This shit is hell on earth, bro.
This shit is crazy.
Bro, my mission, my solemission at this point in my life
, being I'm 36 now.
I came to jail when I was 25.
My sole mission is to get thefuck out of here.
(18:12):
Man, you feel me?
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
My mission is to get At these kind of places Because
and dudes out there, y'all needto be aware of the shit that
y'all glorifying, y'all killingeach other.
I had a, I did that one day,right, and I had people Flack on
certain things, right, and youknow the shit that killed me the
(18:36):
most.
It's one shit that killed methe most is one thing that
killed me the most.
I got my, I got my fame and mynotoriety or killed my own
people.
Yeah, yeah, flying my visitpictures and all that.
(19:15):
That shit is mad stupid to me,bro, like real talk.
You got dudes out there thattaking flights, going to Dubai,
living they life on yachts,switching up vehicles, taking
care of they family.
Yo, I'm so mad that I didn'tknow the shit I know now been,
(19:36):
because I would have never, Iwould have never, ever, ever,
ever been in this type oflifestyle.
This shit is stupid.
It don't amount to nothing.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
So, with that being said, what's your message for
the youth and the people thatare out there right now that are
trying to live the lifestylethat you, that you know, trying
to reach the fame and notorietythat you've acquired from you
know doing what you've done inthe streets?
What's your message to theniggas out there now?
Speaker 2 (20:04):
My message to y'all out there right now is I respect
y'all young dudes.
I respect y'all drilling, y'alldoing what y'all doing, but do
it for a cause.
If you gonna stain, you gonnadrill, do it for a cause.
Don't kill your own people, bro.
Don't be the reason why youkilling your own people, bro.
(20:26):
Don't get your notoriety ofkilling your own people or
destroying your own communitiesLike.
Live life.
It's more life outside thatsquare that you're living in.
It's more life, bro.
It's so much more to life thanthe four corners of Stapleton or
(20:49):
West Brighton or the harbor orJust live your life, bro,
because don't wait until youcatch that thing and you famous
and now you're sitting in jailand the same niggas you was
running around with that wasyour mans.
You was running around onstains with them.
Niggas can't even give you adollar Because in all reality
(21:10):
y'all niggas is stained and shit.
Y'all niggas is broke.
I got more money than y'allniggas.
Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Let's do it.
Let's do it Because I got moremoney than y'all niggas out
there, right?
Speaker 2 (21:21):
now, for sure, for sure.
Get your money up, get money,enjoy life Respectfully, Like
you understand what I'm saying.
Stop drilling and going ondrills and destroying your own
community, bro.
Live life, get money, go toschool, educate yourself More
(21:47):
wealth, because we only live onetime, bro.
We only live one time bro.
I was younger and I knew thethings I knew.
Now I would never be in thestreets holding a gun, chasing a
dude that could be my brother.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Yeah, if you could go back in time, where do you
think you would be now?
What do you think you would bedoing?
Speaker 2 (22:13):
If I could go back in time, where would I be now?
I would be Jay-Z, I would beStaten Island, hollywood.
I would be about my business.
I would be on top of the world.
I would be rich, I would berich, I would be rich, for sure,
(22:36):
for sure.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
You know, when I was younger, I used to be rich For
sure, for sure.
Yeah, you know, when I wasyounger, I used to get.
You know that it's easy to getthe money.
It's easy to get the money runit up, but to save it and hold
it and invest it and do thingslike that, I didn't know nothing
about that.
All I knew was my investmentswas a pair of products, a pair
(22:59):
of good seats, a good fit, someliquor, weed and a bad bitch to
run around with love.
That's all I cared about.
That's all I cared about.
Now I'm seeing how you couldinvest your money on fixing
houses and real estate and shitlike that, and you could get so
(23:21):
much more money building thiscredit up and all that.
Bro, I'm so like my vernacularis so extensive nowadays.
It's just like I'm on adifferent timing.
I'm on a different timing, bro.
I'm trying to build and takecare of my family.
(23:41):
That's my goal.
Man For real man, don't get ittwisted though.
Don't get it twisted, I meanit's still late, a thousand
percent, but it's lit towardsShit that really matters.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Yeah, I could jack that.
Yeah, I could jack that.
You wanna talk about yourgrievance?
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Oh, the grievance.
Oh yeah, I put a grievance in.
Yeah, I put a grievance in.
Recently I put a grievance in.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
When did you put a grievance in?
Yeah, I put a grievance in.
Recently I put a grievance in.
When did you put the grievancein?
Speaker 2 (24:21):
I put the grievance in on the 28th of February.
I put the grievance in becausethere was a strike.
The police had went on a strikein New York State and I went on
a visit.
This is the craziest shit.
I went on a visit.
This is the crazy shit.
I went on a visit February 17th.
I went on a visit with my womanand my son.
(24:43):
I went on a visit with myfamily and after the visit we
had a thousand police out therein car hard suits and pool
safety masks, striking, talkingabout they want to work in safer
environments and all this otherweird shit.
Mind you, this is coming afterthe whole thing with the Brooks
(25:07):
kid.
I don't know if you're familiarwith it.
They killed an innocent,harmless dude that's locked up,
killed him, beat him with frozenwater bottles, killed him for
no reason, bruh.
So this got exposed.
This got exposed.
So it's like these evil assfucking guys up here.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Yeah, headphones going in and out again.
Hello, yeah.
Yeah, headphones was going inand out.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Yeah, pardon.
So these shit is trash bro.
This is the shit.
They give us some $2 headphonesand this shit pulls shit.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
But they pulled a stunt when they knew that that
motor was going to come outbecause the commissioner of
corrections they put some shitout.
He put a memo out saying thatthey was investigating some shit
that happened in Marcy and thenall of a sudden that shit was
(26:11):
exposed, the homicide wasexposed and Marcy correctional
facility with the books.
May he rest in peace.
And you know, I send mycondolences out there to the
family because that's hard,that's hard for anybody, any
family, to see people that gotkids.
That was hard like.
But, um, so you know, theypulled it.
(26:32):
They came up with some thingswhere they brought some shit
inside the jail that sent a lotof these nurses and staff to the
ER.
But if you really look at it,if it's coming from us, why
(26:53):
wasn't we going to the ER and tothe hospital and having to be
knock-'d and all this shit?
How the fuck it go from comingfrom us to only affecting y'all?
Yeah, yeah, not canned out.
(27:28):
If it's that strong we can take40, 40 staff out.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
One person had no one person got.
No, no, no, no, no, no wins onthat.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
And this is the incident that happened on
January 23rd right.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Yes.
That was the incident thathappened on January 23rd,
because you know, when you inthe jail you hear things.
You hear, oh, medical emergency, medical emergency all the time
, with all these fucking medicalemergencies, and the nurses
went on strike, oh, we want towork in safer places.
And then you had the policethat went on strike.
(28:08):
So basically they just lefttheir jobs.
That's what's in here.
So basically they just lefttheir jobs, left us in here.
No food, no adequate food, noshowers, no food, no nothing.
They just left us with dead inhere.
Man, I was down in Boston witha dude.
He killed himself, bro.
He killed himself Over the phone.
(28:29):
Over the phone Because hecouldn't talk to his girl.
He had a bad phone call and hejust wanted to talk to his thing
.
Because you know they beef Likeyo why you not call me?
It's hard for some people to doa bitch when you in prison and
you doing time and you gotpeople out there that love you
(28:50):
and that's doing time, theydoing the time with you.
Bro, they feeling shit.
Take that strongly, if notstronger than you, bro, because
they want their kids home, theywant their fathers home, they
want their family to come home.
So it's hard on them too.
So sometimes it getsoverwhelming and families is
like you know what?
I don't want to do this no more.
(29:12):
And dudes in here that yeah,that's crazy, you have one
(29:33):
minute left.
They not doing their Hold on.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Call you back, alright.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
The caller has.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Yeah, we got my boy Hal Rowe back on the throne.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Wraithman, you see me .
What's going on?
Good man, you see me.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
What's going on?
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Okay, okay, yeah, get your mind right.
You know what I mean.
Yeah, I'm in the spa.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
I'm in my spa, I you in your cell right now.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Yeah, I'm in the spa.
I'm in my spa.
I'm in my cell right nowCooling.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
For people that haven't been to prison.
You know what I'm saying.
There's a lot of listeners thathaven't been to prison.
They don't know what a cellconsists of.
So how big is the cell?
You in, you in a box.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yeah, I'm in a coupe right now but I'm single cell,
so the cell is made for two men.
So I'm in a double bunk cellbut I'm single cell, nobody
coming in.
I'm the only one in my spot.
So I got the red pin.
It's a red pin in the back,it's a shower and it's the um.
I got the red pen.
It's a red pen in the back.
It's a shower and it's twobunks and it's a toilet seat.
(30:57):
That's it and you got.
They give you all your clothes,sneakers and all that type shit
.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
And you get your, you get a, you get a phone in there
too.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
You, you get the phone in there too.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Yeah, yeah to do so.
(31:39):
I got my own tab, so this timeI'm rocking out.
Yeah.
So how long, like, how long areyou in that cell do you get to?
Speaker 2 (31:42):
oh, you said, the rec pen is in the back right there.
Yeah, it's in the back, so youdon't leave yourself like only
time you leave yourself, onlytime you leave your cell.
Only time you leave your cellis if you go to a visit or you
go to like a call out of sight,that's it.
Other than that, you in thespot.
(32:03):
If you go to rec, you just stepout the back door.
Like you step out the back doorinto your rec room with like a
cage.
This shit look like a kennel,like if you ever seen a door
kennel, that's how it is A bunchof weirdo niggas in a bunch of
cages, bro.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Yeah, this shit is weirded out, bro.
Is there like weights in yourrec pan or something you get to
work out?
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Yeah, you can work out.
There ain't no weights in there.
They never put weights in there, but dudes do pull-ups off the
gates.
Dudes make pull-up balls ontheir vents.
In the sound I made a pull-upball on my vent, so it's like
two angels coming down with theshoestrings and you know I'm
getting it in like that.
You know what I mean mean.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
So you be getting right, doing your calisthenics,
your pushups, your crunches andall that.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Yeah, yeah, definitely Me and my lady.
We got a thing going on when we, where we, where we fasting.
We fast everyday, every day wefast, we eat one meal.
We don't drink nothing, wedon't do nothing, we just fast
Eat one meal.
We, bro, we don't drink nothing, we don't do nothing, we just
fast Eat one meal, we work outand then we eat another meal.
(33:16):
This is everyday, bro.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
We on that, we on different times, we on different
times.
We're healthy, trying to stayhealthy.
You know, because a lot ofdudes come to prison and they
indulge in a lot of unhealthyshit, ind.
You know, because a lot ofdudes come to prison and they
indulge in a lot of unhealthy.
I just doled in a lot ofunhealthy.
You know, eating a lot ofunhealthy.
I'm trying to survive.
(33:42):
I'm not trying to do all thistime and then come out and drop
dead, like because that seemedto be the norm nowadays.
What's?
Speaker 3 (33:49):
going on, you know.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Uh, not really, I don't know, and I'm not gonna
say I'm not one of the goodbrothers.
I don't eat pork, I don'twhatever.
It's just that that shit is notaround me.
That shit is not around me LikeI ain't really, I don't really
indulge in pork like that,because it's not around me.
The brothers don't cook.
(34:15):
You know what I'm saying?
I'm around a lot of rocksters.
They don't cook that shit, so Idon't eat it.
Bruh, my mama loves it.
She always think I would eatthat shit, even if I was in the
streets.
Bruh, I just don't eat it.
I don't eat red meat.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
How you cook at all in there.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Bruh, you don't cook in a box.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
You get meals, you get chips.
You get chips.
They give you meals like riceso you like you might throw the
rice in a fish, throw some chipsin there, like.
Like that type, like you don'treally eat too good when you're
in a box, like it's a bunch ofthat you may eat and I say I
stay away from that really wellhow much more time?
(35:03):
You got in the box I get out.
In july I got nine months inthe box for a shooting.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
I got nine months in the box for a shooting.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Okay, yeah, I was in and I got, I got, I went to the
box for a shooting.
So I'm in the box for ninemonths.
I get out in July.
I've been in this shit sinceNovember.
I've been in this shit sinceNovember.
Word, I don't got that muchtime in the pool, but I'm
(35:33):
working on my appeal heavy.
You know what I mean.
I'm working on my appeal, man,that's what I'm doing.
I'm working on my appeal andI'm trying to build my funds up
and build my family and makethem stronger, like get my
family, make my inner familystronger.
You know I took some golfersthis year.
Rest in peace to my Uncle,family strong.
You know I took some doses thisyear.
Rest in peace to my uncle,michael Brown.
(35:54):
That was like the.
He was like the man of ourfamily.
He set the tone for the family,for the men Now I mean.
He passed away, so rest inpeace to him.
And then recently I just lostmy cousin Shifey.
He just had a heart attack andhe had to cardiac arrest at work
.
He did time in the fed, 10years in the fed.
(36:16):
He came home and, um, he gothis life together.
He started working, he got intothe union or whatever.
For whatever he was involvedconstruction whatever and one
day he went to work and he justpassed away.
So you know, rest in peace.
To my cousin Shifey, you know,rest in peace, construction
whatever, and one day he went towork and he just passed away.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
So you know, rest in peace to my cousin Shifey, you
know, rest in peace.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Yeah, rest in peace.
I got to keep the familytogether.
You know I'm still being a glue, taking care of my family, just
doing everything, trying to doeverything for man.
It's hard like you feel me.
Yeah, I'm trying to doeverything from there.
And it's hard like you feel me.
Yeah, I'm trying to get backout there.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
You know what I mean.
You got anybody you want toshout out.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Show some love to.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Shout out.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Definitely, traj.
Yeah, definitely, you know,definitely.
Shout out to Trackhole, Bro.
I love you, bro, hold your head.
When I get out of here I'mcoming to get you.
Don't worry about it, man, Igot you.
We all go through our shit.
We all make mistakes in life,bro.
But as long as you can learnfrom the mistakes and make it
(37:31):
better and be a better person,that's what counts, man, don't
count yourself out.
Don't let these dudes count youout.
Stay healthy, word brother.
Shout out to Franchise.
That's my brother, that's myheart.
Shout out to Cash.
Shout out to the Mola.
Shout out to the ProtectPhilippe.
(37:52):
You heard Free Him.
You heard Just shout to theRave.
Free the Rave.
You know what I'm saying.
There's too many.
Shout to Fleet Fleeto, I loveyou, bro.
You're a killer.
Welcome home.
I love you, bro.
You know what I'm saying?
Trap, that's my baby.
Fat ass.
I love you, nigga.
(38:12):
Shout out to my brother E he inthe can.
Free my bro.
E bro, free my little brother.
E Little crazy nigga.
He locked up.
Shout out to my sisters outthere, alexis and Alicia.
I love y'all, y'all my babies.
I love y'all my moms.
I love you, my family man, thisfamily bro.
(38:35):
Anybody I forgot.
Fuck y'all niggas Straight upwhat was in my mother's life.
That's how I feel Niggas.
(39:09):
Don't give a you.
Yeah, get my ass in.
You heard?
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Yeah, I already know.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Know what's going on.
Oh, shout to my brother, mytwin too, paul and Shelly Never
fuck with your family, notfamily.
That's my brother.
I love you, nigga, winnie.
I love you, doc.
What's up?
You know what's up.
I love you too, bro.
My family, I think this is myfamily.
So when I say family, I part itout Love.
(39:39):
So that was that love.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Yeah, that's it, man Report.
Absolutely Go ahead, say whatyou was going to say.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
I appreciate you for doing this.
To clarify a couple of thingsgiving a brother a voice to add
rattle to us.
You know a lot of people.
They got a misconception aboutme, like you feel me.
They think they hear my namelike, oh, this nigga's some
crazy big black crazy.
You feel me, but I'm reallyjust.
(40:12):
I'm really just one of y'all.
I'm really just a.
I'm an ordinary guy, bro.
You feel me.
I've did things in my past,right, that defied my reputation
, but I'm trying to change a lotof shit around, bro.
I'm trying to be known as amoney getter.
I want to be known as somebodythat's a family man and all that
(40:36):
, all that silly shit from whenI was back then.
Fuck all that.
That shit got me here like andthis ain't no accolade that I
want being in prison for life.
This shit is corny like bro.
Yeah, so you knowny like bruhyeah, so you know, you hear it
though Everybody.
I got everybody supported.
(40:58):
Man support free me, man FreeHelly.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
Free Helly, what the.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Helly, what the Helly ?
You know what's going on, yeahabsolutely you, you know,
natalie, I'm still here, I'mstill alive.
I'm still alive, I'm stillhealthy, I'm still gorgeous, as
ever.
I'm taking off.
I got a beautiful wife, youfeel me, but I'm still healthy.
I'm here.
I'll be there in a second andthat's where I'm on.
(41:24):
Wow, and that's that reportinglive from the gutter with the
classic man Harold Rowe.
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