From Street Narratives to Studio Beats in the Heart of Hartford

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As a tapestry woven from the raw, unfiltered threads of street life and personal ambition, this episode stitches together a narrative as rich and complex as the communities of Connecticut and Staten Island. Amidst the cacophony of fatherhood and the echoes of dreams deferred, we pay homage to the resilience of fathers striving for balance. Special guest Mali from Hartford brings the heat, dissecting the city's cultural metamorphosis and the scars left by violence on the fabric of community ties. From the turntables of Mali's DJ father to the pulsating beats of Hartford's music scene, we trace the rhythm of change from the '80s to the '90s, painting a portrait of a community's indomitable spirit.

The spotlight then swivels to the serendipitous birth of 'Live from the Gutter', my brainchild and entrepreneurial leap in Staten Island. Join me as I recount the heady days of conception, the adrenaline of nurturing a media presence, and the sobering reality check that fame can be a double-edged sword. A brush with danger, averted by the quick-witted Miah; the underbelly of local gangs juxtaposed with peace efforts; the ironies within crisis management organizations – these are the threads that weave the tapestry of Staten Island's complex narrative.

Our 25th episode crescendo brings us into the fold of a candid conversation, a celebration of the topics that resonate with us: the allure and pitfalls of social media personas, the intricacies of family life, and the culinary and cultural shifts in Hartford. We revel in the pursuit of podcasting and music engineering, sharing the desire to carve out a space of creative autonomy. Together with Mali, we raise a glass to authenticity, storytelling, and the shared journey toward delivering content that pulsates with the lifeblood of sports and the true essence of our streets.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
distort more, you can still cleans.
I know it's treatment.

(00:26):
It was my first time when youwalked in.
Couldn't look deep in your eyescause I was a little hot, it was
hurting deep inside and you wassmoky, but I was wrong the
other side and didn't know these.
Oh, I was always on top, I wasalways my time, but you found me
.
I lost my pen that work lastnight.

(00:48):
Yeah, yeah, I was up in one ofthe joints.
It was my other arm.
Here's some clown in the back,the whole whole woman Caught in

(01:09):
that.
Motherfucker.
Come on.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
So I think I theater with like six hits on that cut.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
It was a bit hot and hard, me fuckin fucking gunner,
live from the motherfuckinggutter.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
We got the motherfucking gas God on the
phone.
Majority owner.
What's good boy?
We live from the motherfuckinggutter.
Right now, just turn the intromusic off, nigga.
Yeah, man, I was perfect timing, that's like.

(01:44):
That's like divine timing rightthere.
And you know we just had astory time with gas God and we
got incredible feedback.
Man, you're a fucking legend inthe city, you heard.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
Thank you, thank you.
Thank you, bro, to those whoappreciate me as much as I
appreciate them.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Thank you, too yeah, man, I'm glad you tapped in.
We need to.
We need to meet face to facesoon, man.
I need to see you.
Man, I'm here, baby, I wantedto see.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
I wanted to come link you today but you know I caught
up with the kids.
You know parents are first,yeah, absolutely, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Shout out to all the good dads, for the positive
fathers out there.
But I yo, we about to resumeepisode 25 and as soon as I'm
done I'll call you.

(02:51):
Yeah, report, live from thegutter man, hell, my man, half
foot lifelong resident.
Talk to me my man.
Oh, talk to me my man.
Now.
Talk to me what they call youout here, man.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
They just called me Mali.
My man, it's simple, I justkeep it moving.
I mean regular Deville and me,my man Mali.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
I met Mali and passing and we've been good
friends since I decided to havethem pull up and you know, just
vibe with me, talk to me aboutlife in Connecticut, life in
half it, man, what it's like,what it's like out here, what
it's what it's like what it waslike for you growing up out here

(03:34):
.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
I'm gonna lie man growing up in half it.
It was what I made it.
Yeah, I mean, likemotherfuckers is exposed to
different shit.
A lot of people got similarsituations and whatnot.
Some people might have itbetter, but yeah, I mean, you're
not gonna see it.
Some people gonna have it worseand definitely gonna see it,
yeah, I mean.

(03:55):
So I mean it's a blended mix.
Yeah, I mean, like why grew uplike the neighborhood was?
It was mixed.
You know how the 90s is.
Like everybody behind me,anybody was outside, outside,
all the motherfucking time, yeah, day, every day.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
I wasn't really outside in the 90s, not yet I
was too young.
You know I'm saying how old areyou?
33?

Speaker 1 (04:18):
that's crazy, I was outside man, I was outside.
It's just yummy, like half ofthe 90s man.
Like, like I said, you got ablender, anything.
You got the good, you got thebad.
You got to mix anything half ofsmall yeah, it's not that big,
13 square miles but the mix ofthat.

(04:39):
You probably got like 20, 30different neighborhoods that you
could lay out this shit like Iain't gonna lie, like my pops
got a legit Matt coffee was amurder capital before.
Right, yeah, more than once, fewtimes, few times yeah, it's lit
, it's.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
It's not gonna twist it.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
It's wet and hot, but maybe it was in the 90s, was
early 2000s for sure, because Ilost quite a few people in the
early 2000s couple of thecousins and whatnot you lost
people.
That's here too right or lastyear, last year, last year, last
year, last year, yeah man, shit, crazy, crazy.
Even with that being said, like, yeah, I mean you look at

(05:22):
losses kind of differently.
I mean it's just based off ofwhere my fuckers was acting in
their lives and whatnot.
Yeah, I mean like I've lostpeople in my life, was like I
was child, her friends, you know.
I mean we might have just losttouch and my fuckers passed in
the doghood.
Yeah, I mean like you got thosememories but you can't sit here

(05:43):
and say you know what, I'm allfucking know the motherfuckers I
mean.
Yeah, I mean you know thememories that you got with the
exactly, exactly and you canhope it's the same, exactly.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
I certainly agree with that, but I come from a
bigger city.
No, no, I know, I know, I knowStaten Island and in comparison,
staten Island to Halflet, it'snot much different.
No, it's not, it's not it's notreally different.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Like, don't like, believe me, like as a kid, like
my dad was a DJ I mean my dadstill DJ's to the day on its
leisure, which, yeah, I mean was, if it's fun for you, was fun
for you.
Yeah, I mean yeah, but likeback in the 80s, early 90s, like
he was a big DJ.
Like one of the biggest DJ'sare Hartford.
Yeah, I mean one of the firstDJ's to DJ clubs in New York and

(06:37):
whatnot.
Because the Hartford DJ's,connecticut DJ's as a whole,
they wasn't really getting lovein the city in the 80s, early
90s.
Yeah, I mean like motherfuckerswas going out there but it
wasn't getting booked out there.
Like, yeah, one of the firstones to get regularly booked in
the city.

(06:57):
Yeah, I mean love.
It's like it really is love.
You got a lot of New York DJ'sthat come out here.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
I mean family, crack, g, perfect and they get love
out low out here and they getthe love back at home.
Exactly it'd be like that, bro.
It'd be like that even withthis podcast here.
Like this originated in StatenIsland and it died in Staten
Island, you know.
And then I came out here and Iwent through a good two, three

(07:31):
years of building and findingmyself in Connecticut and then,
once I felt comfortable enough,which was recently October 27th,
I started it back up and now wewe here is February 25th and
I'm 25 episodes deep already.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
That's not working.
My mother's got to look at likethis like reputations don't
follow a nigga.
I mean, like you can build abrand new reputation in the
brand new place.
Yeah, nobody knows.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
I mean definitely, definitely.
Yeah, my reputation hasdefinitely followed me, though
my reputation proceeds itself.
I'm pretty well-known, you cansee.
You see the tactics that.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
I mean everybody to an extent Google a boot.
Yeah, I mean, if motherfuckersgot some shit, anybody can find
it.
Anybody, everybody knowseverybody, especially through
social media.
Yeah, whole six degrees ofseparation.
Shit like nigga, you were DMaway.

(08:40):
I mean DM away, that's likeperfectly, you're fucking.
DM away, so it's like everybodycan't touch for anybody.
You don't got to know.
Niggas to know about me exactly.
What would that be a cell likeif you went to new place and you
just trying to build somethinglike motherfuckers is gonna see
what you trying to build ratherthan who the nigga is.

(09:03):
Niggas to do the research laterand be like oh, I, absolutely,
I agree with that, this is, thisis what this nigga did, but the
same with this motherfuckerdoing exactly this is what he's
doing there, so this we couldget into story time.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
I'm gonna do a story real quick, share, share an
interesting story with you,called well, what I'm doing is I
have the Ali Carter show you'vebeen following yep, yep, yep
and what I'm doing isoccasionally I'll do a story
time in the Ali Carter show andthat's been getting great
feedback.
So I did story time with mypartner over and that's.

(09:45):
His name is Stax and his storytime was pretty much you know
about how I met him and thelegend of who he is.
But a story that I was in themiddle of was a story time with
reflex radio and that's how alot from the gutter got his
start.
So, okay, okay, I'll share thatstory with you.

(10:05):
We go back into.
Let's get the phone so he couldhave straight facts that this
way okay boom.

(10:28):
November 2020, scribner Avenue,new Brighton, staten Island, e.
At this point in life, I wouldsay life is good, life is
incredible.
The goat just got locked up.

(10:48):
He's on his way to shock.
Well, he's not on his way toshock yet.
He's on his way to like alsosomething you know processing so
he could start shock.
And I got the keys to the whip.
So I am stepping in and fillingin the roles of the goat in

(11:12):
Staten Island and that's mightylarge shoes to fill.
You making play, please.
Yeah, it's mighty, mighty,mighty large shoes to fill and
it's a lot of pressure.
You know, I got a lot ofdifferent things going on, cuz
I'm helping him manage hisbusiness, his businesses, and
then I have my businesses thatI'm managing as well, and I also

(11:33):
have, you know, britney'sbusiness.
I'm helping her build, at thatpoint in time, work.
So I want to say at that pointin time, I'm very, very loved in
the city.
I'm like a hero of some sort,you know, like a hero with
folktales, but, um, yeah, so Istart seeing ads for Reflex

(12:00):
radio and Joe Parker'sadvertising this on Facebook,
and I'm pretty big on Facebook,so I'm like, alright, cool, this
is a, this is good, this.
This podcast, then, could bewhat ties everything together,
because I have baked wakata, Igot trippy NYC, I got trippy
streams, I got trippy trips, Igot Elliot, carter's denim and

(12:23):
co.
I got a lot going on.
So the podcast could be withties that all together.
And plus, I love speaking.
I have a.
I have a big thing withvernacular.
You know I'm saying so cool.
I hit Joe Parker, we started westart the process of creating
the podcast.

(12:44):
I hit the goat up on J pay.
I let the goat know what's up.
I tell him I'm thinking tostart a podcast.
You know I need some ideas andshit like that for the title.
His first email back he told meI like live from the gutter.
So we stuck with it from there.
We got that.
We got the ball rolling.

(13:04):
I got Adam Jensen on on deck, Igot swimming on deck and that
was the creation of the dreamteam.
Then, you know, I got some someties in the prison system.
So that's how I linked up withLondon and we got London for
London's legal corner shout outto London.
So season one was very shortlived.

(13:28):
It was four episodes and it wasa four episodes at reflex radio
and that's where Adam Jensenwas, I want to say he was really
the one running everything.
Well, he was the one running meand I was running everything.
So he's the one to final sayyou know, I'm saying but I'm the
one that go out there andoperate and do what was told.
That lasted four episodesbecause at that time I started

(13:56):
my valenius actions of you know,just spazzing on social media
and the tactics that you seetoday.
Eventually it led to niggasbeing outside my crib with chops
.
You know I'm saying I'll comeoutside.
I know it's called me amessenger and everything.
They just standing on my carand everything.

(14:19):
They got chops.
They call me, they got the gunsin the phone and shit.
And I'm like I'm looking out thewindow because I'm in many zoom
.
My room is the back room, manyrooms, the front room.
I can see my car from a zoom,so I'm looking out the window.
They know where I'm looking at,so they aiming the chops and
all that.
So I'm like damn, this is asituation.
I'm gonna follow my grandma andmy uncle at this time.

(14:41):
I'm telling them I'm like yo,we got a call somebody cuz the
situation, situation, yeah, myfucking grandma, my uncle, like
come to grandma's house.
Go to grandma's house right now.
I'm like I can't believe, Ican't like they're on my car
right now.
They was like no, no, just getin the car and go.

(15:02):
I'm like all right, we gottaget off the phone because
obviously y'all not grasping thereality of what y'all not
hearing, what I'm telling you.
All right.
So, boom, I hang up one number.
I bang one number.
I'm like all right, I can'tcall ya, I gotta call somebody
that I could line.
I call a big patria, nigga.
Boom, he comes, bro, less thanfive minutes.
Boom, boom, boom, boom, blockis clear.

(15:26):
He's upstairs in the crib.
He like yo, we out.
Boom, he take me where I gottago.
So at this point I'm like allright, it's getting out of hand.
I need some type of deflectionto evade situations like that.
So here's where Maya comes intothe picture.

(15:47):
Bro, I hit Maya up.
I tell Maya, yo, I tell himexactly what it is, what the
situation is.
Like nigga's on my ass, it'syour job to take care of that.
So that's exactly what he did.
From that point on, all beefwent right through him.

(16:10):
Everything, anything thathappened, was being deflected by
Maya.
Maya was handling it.
Niggas wasn't even calling meno more because they had to deal
with Maya.
You know what I'm saying?
Like that lasted, but so long.
Eventually, you know, adamdecided to separate himself and
so did Reflex Radio.

(16:31):
They decided to distancethemselves from me because of
the violence that was comingwith me.
You know what I'm saying?
Like one day after the demon day, january 14th, me and Swimmy
left.
I was supposed to drop Swimmyhome.
I don't know where we was going.
We was going to my mom's crib,I think, but this is where I

(16:53):
told Y'all the story.
I was supposed to get murdered.
We leave the studio, we go to mymom's crib.
But before we go to my mom'scrib I make a stop.
While I'm making the stop, Ibreak some type of traffic.
Well, they said I ran a stopsign or whatever.
But whatever the case may be, Iran a stop sign.

(17:17):
I get pulled over as I'm goinginto my mom's parking lot.
This is all on YouTube too.
I'm a tag it.
I'm a tag that link in thisstory.
But yeah, I get into my mom'sparking lot, cops pull me over
and next thing, you know, it'slike seven cop cars they locking

(17:43):
me up the whole time.
I was on my way to my mom'scrib there was two niggas
following me with chops, assaultrifles and everything.
They was going to get me at mymom's crib.
So once they seen all the boysand me getting arrested and

(18:05):
everything, they pulled, theyjust did.
You know what I'm saying.
There was no more of that.
But I ended up.
What happened with that case?

Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yeah, that was nothing.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
I think I got RRWD, yeah.
So I left the next day and theneverything was regular.
But the nigger that was in thecar, right, he sent me videos of
me getting ready, like leavingto go to the podcast, me getting

(18:42):
ready setting up in the podcast, me leaving the podcast and
then me getting stopped by cops.
He was like if you didn't getstopped, we wouldn't be having
this conversation.
You and your mans wouldn't evenbe here.
So when I seen those videos, Iwas just like I had to start

(19:04):
moving different at that verypoint.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
You get what I'm saying, yeah brother like yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, Because niggaswill get bad business.
Man, yeah, man, that shit wascrazy.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Oh, I remember what I got arrested for now.
That's when I got arrested forthe shit with my little brother
fighting my little brother, ZayCinco.
Yeah, I got into a littlebullshit fight with my brother.
They called the cops on me andshit like that Zay's mom.

(19:42):
But that's how everything cameto conclusion with Reflex Radio.
And then I started live fromthe gutter immediately after
that.
But I lost Adam, I lost Swimmy,and that didn't stop me.
I just continued my journey.
You had to keep pushing and I'mhere now.
You know what I'm saying.
That's how you got to do it.

(20:02):
Yeah, I ended up, you know,meeting Stax and partnering up
with him, and now we're inbusiness together, you know, and
it all worked out.
It all worked out.
So that's story time withElliot Carter and Reflex Radio.
Round of applause Moving on.
But yeah, man, that was, Icould have been out of here.

(20:23):
You feel me?
I could have been out of here,you have a.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
I'll tell you, man, niggas, niggas, you just bless
the situations.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Yeah, man, you ever been in a situation like that or
anything comparable I have not,I have not, I can't even say I
have.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
You know what I mean.
I just I ain't even gonna holdyou man.
I've always been the type ofnigga where I'm good like almost
any circumstance or anysituation, any area.
You know what I mean.
Just because niggas are dead tothe day, you just got to know
how to move.
Even when I was trappingtrapping like motherfucking

(21:02):
Hoffa doesn't matter, you knowwhat I mean, because niggas know
like here and like, alright,that's a mile.
Like I don't cool, I don'tsolid.
Like he ain't got no beef fornobody, type shit Niggas wasn't
looking for.
You know what I mean.
I wasn't looking for, niggaswasn't looking for it with me.
Just keep it solid, keep itmoving.
Even when I was going out to NewYork, you know what I mean.

(21:23):
And when I was going out to NewYork, that was strictly music
shit.
Yeah, that wasn't no business.
Yeah, I mean, it wasn't nobusiness.
But you know what I mean.
The people I was running aroundwith you know what I mean, when
I was out in Brooklyn or I wasout in motherfucking Manhattan
and things like that, and theybe like yo, you ain't my mama,
like yo, let's grab a buck.

(21:44):
And I'm like alright, whatever,like you know what I mean, like
, even with the little GS9niggas I used to run around with
from time to time they used tobe here in East New York, yeah,
like you know, the niggasoutside, outside all day, every
day, and shit like that, but Iwasn't looking for no situation
and shit like that.
I was like yo, I know whatyou're doing.
Yeah, I come see me if y'allwant a little bit of weed and

(22:04):
shit like that.
Other than that, like you keepit pushing and I keep it pushing
because I ain't out here forthat, I'm just out here for the
music.
I just came out here with a lotof shit because I knew I was
going to smoke.
Yeah, I mean, but I ain't goingto turn down no money.
Nah, facts, facts.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
Facts.
Something that I'm coveringright now is that's right here,
you can see it Just the biggestgangs in Staten Island.
Okay, okay, okay, okay.
So you know, as a journalist, Ilike well, in my feel, in my
practice of journalism, I liketo cover most of the things that

(22:45):
lack coverage, you know.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
No, you got to.
You got to.
You got to show, like today,Things that aren't going to be
talked about.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
You know Exactly, you got to show like today, this is
, this is definitely somethingthat I wanted to talk about.
So some of the biggest gangs,you have some actual gangs here.
You got like Blood Sets, yougot Guerrilla Stone, mafia, mac
Buller Brims, you got OTA that'sthat originated in Park Hill in

(23:11):
Staten Island only the Africans.
You got G-Stone Crips andthat's probably like an
honorable mention because Idon't think any Crips should be
up there, honestly.
But the two biggest gangs Iwould say in Staten Island are
gangs that are not looked at asgangs because they're looked at

(23:40):
as units that protect and serveor as peace organization.
So you have the NYPD.
Of course I consider that agang because they get away with
murder, literally Murder, murder.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
Literally Murder.
I mean everybody, everyonefucking with it, no matter where
you at man.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Yeah, and then you got True to Life, and True to
Life is a city crisis managementsystem.
So what they do is like, let'ssay, someone gets shot in new
brightening, that whole groupwill pull up, that whole peace
organization will pull up andthey're going to do a shooting

(24:19):
response.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
They're going to do peace marches and speeches,
protests and whatnot, protestsand all that.
All that shit, but in reality,they're just collecting that
bread.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
that's all it is Exactly but in reality, these
niggas in Staten Island is theones creating the crisis, these
niggas I have death threats inmy DMs from these niggas.
I have niggas talking about.
They're going to kill me andthen do a peace march.
You know what I'm sayingBecause I have problems with
this guy right here, iron Mike,and he's the head of the whole

(24:56):
operation.
So when I speak out against him, it's like a hundred little
minions that speak in hisdefense because he never says
nothing he never said.
He's never mimicked the word tome.
You know what I'm saying andI'll be talking about his wife.
You know what I'm saying, likehow he's cheating on his wife

(25:17):
with multiple different females,and you know he just.
Everybody else has a voice buthim.
But he's supposed to be thehead of this peace organization
and everybody in this peaceorganization is violent.
It's crazy.
You have like three people inthe last five years that was a
part of this organization thatwent to try for murder For
bodies, for bodies.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
You know, shit like that For bodies.
You know what I mean.
Money talks, though Money talks.
You gotta look at like this man.
Dudes always and people alwaystry to raise awareness because
they know it's dollars behind it.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, absolutely yeah, man,every red cent matters to smell
fuckers Anything.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Niggas run up to these PPP loans and shit like
that and then going down, goingdown, going down Niggas is going
down for that shit.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
You know what I'm saying, man?
Like yo niggas know y'all aregoing to do nothing with nothing
, man.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Blowing that money.
Nothing with nothing Blowingthat money.
Something else that I'm doingis OnlyFans reviews.
Okay, yeah, I peep that, I peepthat, I peep that, and I think
this is really clever.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
You ain't got to do OnlyFans or you go to Twitter,
man, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
But, yo you gotta understand the platform that
OnlyFans has.
Bro Like this bitch is makingmillions, bro, millions,
hundreds of thousands.
Oh yeah, I know, I know Showingthey toes.
I know you know what I'm sayingand I'm tapped in with some of
those females that are doingvery well, but I like to keep

(26:54):
things on a local scale.
So what, what A girl that Ijust re A girl that I just rated
, leigh-anne Deyzi.
This girl right here you cancheck out her Facebook.
She's on a YouTube channel.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
There's a lot of good friends from the community For
the people who don't know.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
I'm gonna give you guys a look at her when you see
what you get a good look at,because we about to talk about
her when you see what sheprobably got like half a content
wax.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
You know what I mean?
Nah, she don't, bro.
This bitch is scamming, bro.
This bitch is scamming like amotherfuckin.
She's fired to look that.
You know what I mean she bemoving, moving.
I'm talking about SpringfieldCT.
Yeah, she was running for yearstoo.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yeah, tell me, that was bitch, not bad.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
Yeah, nah.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Nah see, she's bad but.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
I be listenin' to her on the live yo.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
This bitch sound like DMX my nigga she on some fish,
bro, I'm fuckin' hungry.
I be like damn bitch.
The fuck it was deep into myfather's bitch.
Nah, listen.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Nah, listen, I'm stoppin' from gettin' that
breeze though.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Nah, hell, no, I'm stoppin' from that.
I'm stoppin' that breeze.
Hell, no.
Now look at this.
Look at this bullshit.
This bitch be postin' my nigga.
What the fuck is this?
How much would you pay for thatout of your own pocket?
Nah, that's some basic ASIC.
I'm talkin' to you, man.

(28:35):
I'm gonna get better content onX than this.
I'm talkin' to you, man.
I'm talkin' to you, man.
I'm talkin' to you, man.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
I'm talkin' to you, man, I'm talkin' to you man, I'm
talkin' to you man, this issome more basic ASIC shit.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
This is super basic.
Like you know what I'm sayin'Out of your own pocket.
How much would you pay for?

Speaker 1 (28:55):
that I mean that's some free shit, that's free,
that's free, that's free.
Damn that's free, that's freeyo.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
She need a relax.
I'm tellin' you Now, let metell you how much she's
chargein' $32 a month, hey, hey,hey, she wanna.
She's wild, she wild, shedefinitely wilder.
This is somebody else Now Isaid what I said, but you got a
mall head, now it's giving youhis opinion.
A following can't be crazy likethat.

(29:24):
A following crazy.
I don't think it can tell you.
It tells you how many.
Yeah, and I ain't gonna tellyou.
Yeah, but she sent me.
She told me how much she madesince, since she made 38 bands
since she started this, or ifthis bullshit, amen, look, she's
scamming bro, listen, I meanshe could be, but they ain't

(29:44):
even got a little like this.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Some weirdos out there?
Oh yeah, for sure, just someold, just old, old, old.
And then they see her on thegram.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
She's fire on the gram, Nigga not gonna mind if he
got it.
That's what I'm saying.
Spending that 32.
That's what I'm saying.
What me I spent that 32?
.
Bitch, I'm a bomb you for $32.
I'm gonna get my full $32 worthof bomb you.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
You know what I'm saying, what you looking at,
like this man, nigga, this job,got phones.
Man.
Look, you got fly kites no more.
Yeah, no idea facts.
You got fly kites no more, nah,but the whole thing is like you
wanna make money.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
If you're doing this shit, you wanna do it right, you
wanna make money, Like.
I feel like she needs to havebetter content and then, on top
of having the better content,she needs to lower her price
Because who the fuck do youthink you are Like, I mean, like
the only fans.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
It was PG.
Yeah, man, it was Super PG.
It was PG and I paid $32 forthat.
Yeah, that's some Disney.
She got you for some shit.
She and you with the Disney.
She robbed me, nigga.
She robbed me.
She and you with the.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Disney.
She robbed me nigga Straight up.
I seen the IG, I seen theFacebook.
I fell victim to the trap.
The beautiful pictures in thefire body I'm like okay, maybe
she got some.
Let me see her fucking dick.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
I'm like she's even promoting it, like when you talk
to her about it she'll tell youRight nigga her shit.
Probably don't even sayanything about meetups.
I mean, that's how he knows youNah, fuck a meetup.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
I'm not even trying to meet up.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
Nah, that's what I'm saying Hucking for content ain't
saying meetup nigga.
You know it's PG.
Oh yeah, yeah, you know it's PG.
You know that shit PG.
Don't say nothing about nomeetups nigga.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Nah, that's funny.
That guy's crazy.
Yeah, that's funny.
Nah, I don't think you shouldbe putting that in your only
fans.
I don't be seeing bitches putonly meetups in their only fans.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
You'll see them shitting the stories in the
fires Meetup specials, meetupspecials.
Nah, you see that shit.
You see the little bitches outhere, the little meetup specials
.
You see that all over, fuckinglike, like.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
BLK and like Swear to God, what's the other one?
Tinder, tinder, you, you, you.
There we go right, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
But yeah, man, they're like yeah, I mean wifey,
I ain't going nowhere on wifey,I mean that's, that's just me,
just because I mean I had myruns.
Yeah, I mean like, how long youbeen with wifey?
We been together for sevenyears.
Seven years, seven years, maybethree, seven years, maybe three
.
But yeah, I mean together wegot four, three of them mine for

(32:17):
sure, but all three of them gotdifferent mothers.
So yeah, I mean I had my timeswhen I was running, yeah.
Yeah, I mean I had my sporadicmoments and shit like that.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Yeah, I got one I don't want no more bro.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Nah man, look Shh, I know how it is, I know how it is
.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Yeah, I got one and I'm good on that.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
Bro, man, look, man, try it.
I'm telling you, I'm tellingyou, try sticking to that one,
please, please.
Yeah, I'm good on that one, bro, go away.
I got three daughters one time.
Man, I'm glad I got the son.
Yeah, I mean, keep it thelegacy and shit, but Three
daughters, man, it's a headache.
It's a headache.
Your age range, 14 to two.

(33:01):
Come on, man, yeah, you knowpeace when you got there with
them and two teenagers tellingyou.
You know what it is, how theyfeel, what their emotions are.
Yeah, I don't feel like doingthis.
You know what I mean, but Ineed you to do this for me and
shit like that.
I'm like just how the balancein the relationship is 14, 14,

(33:26):
12, seven and two.
Man, I'm telling you, two yearold, just like the oldest two,
running shit.
You know what I mean Runningshit like a mother and all this
shit.
So I'm like yo, nigga, I can'twin, like the only benefits to
this shit.
You know what I mean.
I got my own speech.
You know what I mean.
I could go to the back.

(33:47):
I got my studio in the back.
I could just chair, record, layback smoke.
You know what I mean.
You sit on the couch, watch TVand shit like that, trying to.
But now I'm a nigga.
Stick to the one, stick to theone.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Yeah, nah, I'm passionate about that.
I don't want no more.
Yeah, I'm good, stick to that.
I'm all the way good you followacademics.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
Man I used to, I used to with that nigga got I don't
know man, it's like home contentover the past few years to me.
I just fell off of it gave alot of to you Like I used to
follow academics heavy, heavy,heavy back in the day.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yeah, I'm happy right now.
Why you feel like he fell off?

Speaker 1 (34:34):
I mean to me it was just I ain't gonna hold you.
I mean, we are getting to likeespecially motherfuckers with
certain status and they want toget on like propaganda and be
sincere.
Yeah, I mean.
It's the same thing how I feltabout your brothers podcast.
So like, yeah, I mean like,nigga, you just be from a room

(34:54):
or more for what?
Yeah, I mean like it's cool andall, but no, nigga.
Like y'all doing this shit forclickbait?
Yeah, I try and do that shit.
That's all it is.
Yeah, niggas trying to gaintraction through clickbait?
Yeah, I mean, whether it's, oh,we trying to sign a deal?
Yeah, I mean, and we justtrying to get these numbers up.
I understand that perspective.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
I definitely understand that perspective.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
That's how I looked at it.
So I was like yo no nigga.
Like continue to build yourbrand.
Like y'all niggas know how todo it, y'all doing this shit
organically.
Like continue to capitalize offof that shit, like now with
these, with the podcast, like Iprobably watch more sports
podcast and shit like that.
Then motherfuckers want to talkabout regular I ain't gonna say

(35:37):
regular douglas shit, but it'slike y'all just want clickbait
podcast.
I'm like all right, that's cool, but I'm not clicking for that
shit.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Yeah, nah, I feel you , I feel you, I try to keep a
more authentic vibe.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
Nah, I'm saying nah, nah, I ain't go, you do, you do.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
Yeah, I'm very unbiased.
You know what I'm saying, like,if I get into it with my
brother, my brother will becomea part of this.
You know what I'm saying, like.
And that just goes to show likeI don't pick and choose.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Nah, you can't, you can't, you can't.
You know what I mean.
Even with motherfuckers youmight not see eye to eye with,
you know what I mean.
Or if you got a motherfuckerthat comes on and the very next
motherfucker he might have abeef with, Like make it right?

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Yeah, I gotta get both sides.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
It's both sides of the story.
There's two sides of everything, three sides to it.
When you get into truth, yeah,exactly Like it's your job as a
journalist, as a podcast host,to disseminate who's saying what
and be like, all right, he saidthis, he said this.
You know what I mean?
Like a piece of the shit and Ican make my own truth.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
Exactly exactly, and you know what I'm saying and
that's something that I love.
I love getting into like theinvestigations and just
launching investigations,talking to different people,
getting feedback and stuff likethat.
But the reason I brought upacademics was cause he posted my
man yesterday.
My man, nizzle, got into itwith Buster Rimes at the club

(37:06):
and they kind of manhandled mydog.
You know what I'm saying.
Shit broke my heart, had me alittle upset.
I'm not gonna lie.
But Nizzle called me and wespoke about it and he's not
gonna come on record right nowcause he has a.
You know the legal aspect thathe has to deal with it.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
But I'm not Look look , I ain't gonna say, look, he
wasn't going.
He probably wasn't going for itfor the breach, he was just
going for it for the simple love.
It's like yo, hey, man, that'sa bust.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Certain artists had thatreachable personality Like I
ain't never gonna forget, yeah,sometimes, why I used to be out
here fucking, and this is whenjuices for life had just opened

(37:51):
up.
You know what I mean.
And where's that?
They got one in Yonkers.
That's when the first one thatopened up was in Yonkers.
Okay, you know what I mean.
And I fucking only went to itcause I was like, oh, these deep
black niggas got a juices store.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
Oh, yeah, I know what you talking about.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Yeah, I know what you talking about.
Like I legit went there, StylesP was up in there.
It's like alright, Certainniggas is approachable.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
You chop that up with them.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
I don't know what the incidentwas.
Niggas was in the back makingthe fucking smoothie.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Yeah, I don't know what the incident was with my
man in a bust, that he didn'treally want to give me too many
details cause he know as soon ashe told me.
I'm coming right here to you,niggas, and I'm telling y'all
everything.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
But I'm feel you're feel you're feel, you're feel,
you're man.
This is what happened, righthere, oh man.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Yeah so.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
I mean like bust security and bust himself, like
I'm like niggas, don't know anddon't yeah, you can't really
tell much from the video.
Yeah, probably gonna be thesituation.
Yeah, you can't really tell,you can't really tell much, so
we'll get.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
we'll get.
Nizzle side, he said he'll giveus an exclusive interview.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
So thank you, Nizzle.
Nah, I swear Good luck.
Good luck, Shad out Nizzle man.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Yeah, definitely shout out Nizzle.
But let's see what else I gotgoing on.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
Probably I mean probably a genuine situation
that just went wrong.
Yeah, I mean, but shit likethat, like that's not a clip
meat type of thing, that wasjust Nah, yeah, yeah,
motherfuckers, yeah,motherfuckers looking for that's
real shit.
Yeah, whoever was posting it,they was looking for that
attention type.
Shit, yeah, that's real shit.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Oh, I think this should be real shit.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Yeah, man, that's how 80% of this shit be out here on
social media platforms, man.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
This guy deleted his Instagram.
But look at this.
We got a pedophile here.
Bugs underscore self-made.
That's the nigga laying in bed,got his dick out In front of
the little girl right here.
She took a picture, sent it toher mom.
Please come home, mommy, I'mfeeling uncomfortable.
Yeah, see.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
You got daughters.
See, that's what I'm saying.
I can't fuck with that.
I can't fuck with that.
I can't fuck with that.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
You have to be mindful of who.
You leaving your daughtersaround, bro.
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
Shit like this, like boy who's my blood, like I ain't
gonna lie, like niggas donebeen through like personal
situations.
I ain't talking like I'mtalking about my family type
shit, yeah, man, where it's likeniggas can't fuck with that,
niggas can't fuck with that.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Yeah, that's crazy.
That's unacceptable.
Bro, Niggas can't fuck withthat Like.
I said niggas like thatdeserves to be dropped from the
highest mountain tops bro.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
That's unacceptable.
You know what I mean A lot ofthat pedophilia.
You know what you're doing.
You know exactly what.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
I'm doing.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
I ain't gonna lie the situation with my family and
shit, like that it was.
I ain't gonna say it wasdifferent, like the result was
still the same.
But it's like my motherfuckerwas yeah, god was highest high.
God was down on who he was with.
God was highest high and he wason some dust Niggas only just

(41:18):
trees up.
I don't know what the fuckNiggas was on, but I know when I
took that nigga to the hospital, my arm was like yeah, my
grandma, I'm ready.
I'm like yo, nigga grandma,bingo.
Like oh, yeah, now I need totake you to that type shit.
Yeah, that's crazy.
So, like shit, like that, yeah,yeah, yeah, go deep into it.

(41:40):
Yeah, I mean it was my cousin.
You know what I mean.
Like that's crazy.
Oh yeah, on game, man home wason it, on it on it, I started
stripping right in front of myniece, my niggas, and it was
like yo, yeah, I knew somethingwas wrong with that shit.
I'm like yo, nah, god, we ain'tdoing this here.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
Yeah, that's bugged out.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
What y'all do with them.
Yeah, I mean, when I just tookhome to the hospital, I ain't
like my bro wanted to kill him.
My bro wanted to kill him.
So it was like home shit.
He started to approach my niece.
I'm like yo nah, dog, we ain'teven gonna do this.
You know what I mean?
Mom is like that, like lookingback at it.
You know what I mean.
It's a good thing.

(42:31):
Like you see comic books, shit,like the only time you ever see
me grab a damn near-neck andthey get just tight shit.
In my life, niggas.
Situation like that young, aunique situation for sure, yeah,
yeah, yeah.
But situation like that, you'relike nah, nigga, I know
something wrong.
It should have tied you down.
Just get you to hospital, getyou to help you need.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
Yeah, I would have been on the same side as killing
that nigga Cause shit like thatis just you can't come back,
Nah, you can't come back fromthat shit.
You can't come back from thatshit.
You can't come back from thatshit being inappropriate with a
little girl like Nah, you can'tcome back from that.
We need to get head tapped ASAP.
No picking and choosing.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
Yeah, yeah, my day in the day I had to look at a boy
and be like you know what I mean.
Situations, you know what Imean.
Like situations like this, shegonna need you.
Yeah, yeah, I mean just forconsolation, you know what I
mean.
Just be here For guidance, likemore than consolation, Like
guidance like yeah, yeah,guidance, consolation, support,

(43:36):
love, yeah, exactly All of theabove.
Love above everything.
Cause shit like that, you knowwhat I mean.
You gonna need it, show it tothe crowd.
Crazy, that's how shit is manCrazy?

Speaker 2 (43:50):
All right, so before we wrap it up, three restaurants
that you recommend for me to goreview, Cause I need to keep
this review shit going and Ineed some restaurants I'm
running out.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
Man.
Look, you can never run out ofrestaurants in the city.
I ain't gonna hold you.
You can never run out ofrestaurants in the city.
Fucking one for sure.
Not even gonna lie like it's alittle spot.
The food is straight, yeah.
I mean, if you looking for likecheap Any kind of food, yeah,

(44:28):
if you looking for like cheapMexican food, you can hit Mary.
There you can go to almost acalled Taco Minachos Taco
Minachos yeah.
If you looking for like alittle cheap meal what not?
You know what I mean?
The taco's like $2 a taco, mindthat good, you know what I'm
saying.
You can fuck around and get awhole platter with like six
tacos on the side for like $15.

(44:49):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
Like man wifey.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
That's about it.
I ain't gonna lie.
I used to be out of marriage alot, just because my grandmother
had properties out of marriage.
So, if I can, when she stayedat one of them she stayed there
for probably like 10, 12 yearsand then she ended up selling
both of those properties andwhatnot.
What was it Asked and whatnot?

(45:13):
But yeah, I mean, growing up inHartford, then you got me
spending time out there and evenunder my adulthood like
traveling all around with themusic shit, just because just
niggas don't want to stay in oneplace.
See what I mean?
Never, I don't know.
So I could say Tagumi Nacho,out of marriage, fucking.

(45:39):
I could say oh works, thelittle.
It's a little diner spot insidethe middle town.
The works is called oh works.
I'll text you the name.
Okay, the fucking owner, heactually be up in there every
day chefing it up.
It's a little breakfast spot.

(45:59):
I mean that shit closes at likeone o'clock in the afternoon.
So if you're trying to getthere some type of shit, you try
and get there early morning.
But I ain't gonna lie, thebreakfast fools up in there.
Some amazing like the niggadoes it all up in there.
You fucking round, get some youfucking round, get some duck
for breakfast type shit, justfor the guy.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
There's this spot that opened in Manchester.
I'm about to tell you the nameof it right now.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
I was talking about that little soul, soul, soul,
shit, soul, you wet Soul man.
I was up in there.
I was actually up in there theother day, but fucking, you got
the empanada taco.
Yeah, yeah, everybody betalking about that shit.
I'm not going live street, butfucking I mean Mexican food,

(46:49):
mexican food, yeah, I mean likethe taco's there street, but
fucking I used to hit on.
They got this other fuckingtaco spot in Manchester called
Three Amigos.
Three Amigos, yeah, no, I neverhad it.
Yeah, hit Three Amigos.
Hit Three Amigos.
If you want some El Tacos.
If you want some El Tacos, somesteak tacos.

(47:10):
If you want some Maria Tacosand another fucking Mexican spot
, if you want to check it out,some Ocho Cafe.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
I think I had Ocho Cafe.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
That's it.
They got a few of them.
Yeah, Weston Marche.
I know they have one out ofWeston.
I know I seen more than one.
Yeah, one out of Weston, andthen they got another one.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
But they got, they all right, they're not bad.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
Yeah, it's clearly depending on which one you go to
.
Yeah, I mean, have you ever hadBaja?
I have, yeah, I have.
Yeah, she was just telling meabout it.
Baja's better than Chipotle.
Nigga, Nigga ain't gonna lie.
I never really fucked withChipotle like that, Bro.
I never really fucked withChipotle.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
So you like mose more than Chipotle.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
I couldn't really get into mose neither.
So what's your Mexicans fight?
If I hit Mexican, for sure Ihit damn.
If I want Mexican Mexican man,fuck it.
Man.
Just go to Taco Me Nachos.
Man, just go to Taco Me Nachos.
Taco Me Nachos.

(48:12):
Just go to Taco Me Nachos.
So you a real local?
Yeah, I'm a local dude.
Yeah, I mean, I ain't trying tospend, I ain't trying to spend
a hell of a bravo, yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah, I mean, if I I'm the
type of nigga, it's like I Ieat it Late night eats out here.
Yeah, fuck, come on, man, thisain't New York, it's over, it's
over.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
It's over, it's over.
That's just the category,that's eliminated.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
Just say New York man , fuck it.
Only late night eats.
Everybody know about it.
Nyc beat man.
New York chicken and biscuitman.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Yeah, that's the fact , yeah, that's everybody.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
Go to the spot, whether you want to hit the one
in the east or you hit the oneon Farmer to Nive and even the
one on Farmer to Nive and theyain't what they used to be
because the niggas in the eastused to run that one, yeah, so
like they sold that shit off andmotherfuckers just kept the
name over there.
But I think that one still, Ithink the one on Farmer to Nive
still open till like two, threeo'clock in the morning, fashions

(49:07):
, trash, stuff.
Yeah, I ain't gonna lie man,they got rid of the like
Hartford for sure.
Like up in the northern part ofthe state.
They really got rid of the latenight shit, just because they
got rid of the clubs.
The clouds, they got rid of theclubs, oh, clubs, all the clubs
, man, it's like when they hidethe club scene, yeah, shit was

(49:29):
open, whether it was going right.
When did they start getting ridof the clubs?
When they started gentrifyingthe city?
So I want to say 2016, 2017, iswhen they really started
shutting shit down, and I meanpartly for good reason, just
because motherfuckers used towild out.

(49:50):
Like we said, my heart for thesmall city.
So you had your little strip onIsland Street where you had
fucking a few of them, clubs andwhatnot.
Couple of them got shut downbecause of violence and whatnot,
whether it was niggas leavingthe club and they started
shooting, it was likemotherfucker, what you shooting
for, like the D's is right, thefuck man.

(50:11):
Like this is what we doing.
Niggas bugging him Like niggascan't even get no peace in there
cause you just shot.
She got one nigga.
Like you Niggas not thinkingbro, I'm saying man.
So yeah, other than that, likethey really started getting into
the sales process and fuckingselling properties and whatnot.

(50:32):
So you know how it is when yousell properties and whatnot.
You got clubs attached to acertain property.
Nigga, your club out of here.
You know what I mean.
That leases up.
Nigga, that's it boy.
So you ain't resigning nowhere.
And that's usually how hard forthis man, nigga.
I just I ain't gonna lie.
A couple of weeks ago I wasjust driving down where was it?

(50:55):
One on the street and I waslike damn, they got rid of the
old charisma.
I was looking to my left.
I was like damn, theydemolished that shit.
It's crazy, cause I rememberhelping my dad set up cause he
had to go DJ at charisma and I'mlike, oh shit, there you go
that memory.
That's really how hard for thisman.
They traded all that shit fromminor league baseball team and

(51:19):
the fucking that baseball field.
Right, yeah, the yard goes tothis shit.
That's what they traded thatshit for.
They traded all that shit for afucking college size baseball
field.
Don't get me wrong, it's a nicefield.
It's a nice field.
I've been to a couple of gamesand whatnot.
Yeah, it looks like a beautifulstadium.
Man, man, man, man, man, man,man, man, man, man, man, get
your little food, you get yourlittle drinks.

(51:40):
You know how it is, fuckingsports prices and shit.
Yeah, definitely, man, I ain'tgonna lie man.
One thing I always wanted tosee so what was there?

Speaker 2 (51:48):
clubs was there.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Nah, nigga fucking.
That space used to be just open.
I ain't even gonna hold you,not even gonna hold you Used to
have like one little buildingthere and then just like parking
.
So I mean, hartford wentthrough a hell of renovations.
You know what I mean?
Growing up like you see hell ofshit.
Whether it is the policestation that they got over there

(52:11):
, cause back then they didn'thave that shit, that was just
like a big ass open street.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
What police station is that?

Speaker 1 (52:18):
The Hartford Police Station.
Okay, that's that shit.
They all little medicalinsurance center and shit like
that Shit.
I know that I've been there acouple of times.
Yeah, man, they gentrifyingeverywhere man.
Yeah, man, I already know, Iknow how it is in New York.
For sure they gentrifyingeverywhere, man.
Like when I used to go throughBrooklyn I ain't gonna lie, if I

(52:40):
can you knew it was coming.
Just because, for example, yougo to Brooklyn, I mean you go to
one section, you might go toEast New York, you know they
never going gentrify that shit.
Yeah, like Red Hook, shit likethat.
Yeah, they never going to touchRed Hook, Like it is what it is
.
But you go through like BestEye, you're like, okay, they

(53:01):
gonna stay here, you can see it,you can see it.
You got places like Dumbo now.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
Dumbo.
Yeah, down Under by the Book,what the fuck that shit mean.
Down Under by the Bread,something like that.
But that shit is beautiful now.
I'm not gonna hold you thatshit is beautiful in the
motherfucker.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
I believe it, I believe it and that's all it's
gonna be, because it's just amoney play.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
Yeah, that's all it is.
That's all it is.
That's all it is.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
That's what everything is about we trying to
make our city look prettyenough for your ass to move back
into, but at the end of the dayyou're like yo dawg nigga.
Just make the house a mugdecent.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Affordable housing, bro, that's it.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Just make that shit affordable, like you don't gotta
charge the motherfucker with 7%Affordable housing.
Be reasonable and chargeeverybody like yo, motherfucker,
it's crazy.
It's crazy how these niggas betrying to get you to spend your
money.
Like I was telling my man theother day he was talking about

(54:10):
taxes and shit and I was like yo, it don't make no sense that
niggas gotta pay taxes for this,pay taxes for this, pay, income
tax for this, pay state andfair tax for this.
I tell him, nigga, I'm like hey, dawg, just let me get my
grocery right.
Let me get my grocery right.

(54:32):
If you know what bracket I'm in,you know what I'm making at the
end of the year, charge me afeed at the end of the year.
It's like yo, you got all thisgrowth pay.
I'm gonna charge you two racksat the end of the year.
Pay off all your taxes.
You know what I mean.
Yeah, if they don't tax you acertain amount anyway, pay your
check.
You know what I mean.
Pay for your fare and state forthis and pay your Medicaid tax

(54:57):
right here, some bullshit.
But why would you be doing that?
I mean because I'm trying tosee what all my bread looks like
before y'all niggas take mehere.
Before y'all take my money.
I didn't know you even had theoption to do that.
Nah, you don't, you don't?
Idealistically, I would wantthat.
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean,idealistically I would want
that shit.

(55:17):
Just because I'm not here, Iwant to see all my bread, you
know why they don't do that.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
People aren't that responsible, you in the god
knows.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
I know it's that simple.
I know Because you got a niggalike this man.
You got niggas making differentamounts of bread right now.
Like, think about it like thisI might take home an extra
amount of wheat, right, but if Igot all my gross income, let's
just say all my gross income islike all right, I get like 13
hundred Mm-hmm, but with all thetaxes taken out I'm only seeing

(55:47):
like nine, 20.
Or let's say I'm seeing likeeight, 70, some more If you
lucky Right.
I want that extra three hundredtwo Like, oh shit, I might need
that.
I feel you.
I mean I might need that.
But I mean to your point, yeah,you're right, niggas might not
be super responsible To thepoint where you have to pay back

(56:10):
a lump sum at the end of theyear.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
Nah, they can't do that Me.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
And nah, when it's expected that you have to put a
small amount aside every timeuntil I mean, like that's my JJ
when we're still in business,right, I pay a lump sum to get
that money.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Yeah, that's a different though.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
I mean, I'm structuring newities.
Yeah, Instructing newitiesthat's it.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
That's a different, that's a different Fucking.
What else do I have up here?
Add?

Speaker 1 (56:53):
This shit, bro.
I realistically want to see howold my books money look like.
I ain't gonna hold you If Icould see that week by week,
cause you already know we getpaid week by week.
Yeah, I'm like, you know what Imean.
Maybe if some niggas saw thatshit week to week, niggas will
envy living.
Check to check.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
I ain't working, I ain't having a job and I'm
having a report to work, Niggasfor you.
That shit is just dreadful tome, like taking orders.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
I feel you.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
I feel you.
That's something I strugglewith, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
I tell a niggaz man be in my position where you
gotta take orders and giveorders at the same time.
You know what I'm saying?
Nigga, you just a middle manbetween the order.
My nigga, like, I'm between thefirst and second window right
now I'm between you paying yourfull bill right now.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
So I'm just here, nigga, I'm just right here.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
I'm just delivering, I'm the message, that's all it
is, but I'm the fucking message.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
Man, I was mindlessin', don't shoot the
messenger, yeah, nah, but that'swhy, you know, like I'm here,
I'm working and I'm trying tojust reestablish something that
I already had going on.
You know, like, bring all thisshit back.
You know, but the podcast wassomething that I was always

(58:31):
passionate about, something thatI'm the most passionate about.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
No, I can tell nigga.
I can tell I'm between all yourjournalism, what you reporting
and whatnot, how I give you up.
I mean shit, nigga.
I can tell at all times, niggaAt all times.
Yeah, at all times, bro, at alltimes, nigga at all times.
I already know, I already knowNigga, I'm like man.
If that man, like if I was onthe low, he on the move, that's

(58:57):
all it is.
Yeah, exactly that's all it is.
I mean.
That's why I'm like.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
How they gonna do it.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
But you know what I mean you in a good space to make
it happen too.
Like nigga, this is visually,this is a nice ass space.
Yeah, thank you, you need someshit like that.
I appreciate that.
I appreciate that I don't wannawork for niggas, neither man.
That's why I still got myrecording studio set up.
Keep it up being, cause.
I told niggas on that.
Look, I used to tell my teamback then when you got a

(59:24):
recording studio set up Right upat my spot, right up at my spot
, nigga, oh, oh, where you live.
Yeah, that's beautiful Rightoutside my property, I mean
right up in the shed, if I can.
That's one of the reasons whyI'm you be doing engineering
work.
Yeah, yeah, like I transition,I transition what you use like.

(59:45):
From my DAW.
Yeah, I'm using Cubase.
I use Studio One, okay, okay,okay, you familiar, my cousin
used to use Studio One back inthe day.
Well, you know how to how tofuck with this.
I just need to get the fuck outof this little mixer.
I ain't gonna lie, I ain't seenit from too long.
I ain't seen it from long.
Yes, I haven't seen the Zoom inyears.

(01:00:06):
You trying to use this for yourpodcast?
Yeah, I actually could show youhow to fuck with this shit,
cause, fucking, I don't got aZoom at the house, but I got a.
I got a Bayranger and theykinda do some of the same shit.
My Bayranger, the way I got ithooked up.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
Yeah, like even if you wanted to take it with you
so you could mess with it, okaywell, can I keep it a beam?

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
You should be able to .
What the deal is?
You just gotta have the properoh your shit.
Usb.
You got the fucking driver onthis shit.
If you got the driver, so itgot the.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
You could use this too, like it got the memory
cards, oh word, and then youcould plug it in through here
too, oh word, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, and you already know
this ain't nothing but theYouTube search, nigga.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
Bro, that's more complicated than that, man, I
believe.
I swear to God, I wish it was.
I'm not going live, fucking.
I've been on YouTube for hourstrying to figure this
motherfucker out.
Bro, I done had two sessionswith an engineer.
There you go if you get thatshit out of here.
Nah he's teaching me, but evenhe's still learning as he's
showing me.
Okay, okay, okay, as he got adifferent studio.

(01:01:18):
Shout out Dante Tweaks man.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
Shout out Dante Tweaks, yeah.
Cause I got a different setuptoo, not the zone, but in terms
of like how my setup is.
Cause I got my own interfaceand I got my fucking my mixer.
Cause you can use this as well.
Mine I could use as aninterface as well, but I got my
actual sends going through themotherfucker shit and I'm just
tweaking this shit through myinterface.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
Yeah, and then it slides up and out.
So yeah, mine's gonna have that, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
Mine's gonna have that and I paid Breach for mine.
Nigga COVID was a hell of atime.
It was like Yo COVID was a hellof a time.
Nigga, I need that man.
I need two checks right now,nigga.
That's all I need.
Y'all can't lie.
Nigga COVID.
Man, that's all I did was stackup checks.
My studio put me in a cop pack,man.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
Nigga, that's all I did, bro COVID was probably the
best time that my mother fucking.
You know what's crazy you knowwhat's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
I didn't even trap them in COVID man Grabbed a pack
of smoke.
That's all I did.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Now, are you trapping like a motherfucker during
COVID nigga?
Nah, I ain't gonna lie, fucking.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
I'm trapping days, nigga.
That was 2013 through 2016.
That's because I was always onthe motherfucking move.
It was easy to make it happen.
Yeah, I mean between makingmusic and I ain't gonna lie, I
was doing construction at thetime too.
So, fucking, I rememberwhatever came, Sandy, it
happened, Nigga.

(01:02:44):
I spent Nigga, I tell you, Ispent time down in Jersey
helping my fuckers clean up, butwhen I was like, yeah, I know
your niggas ain't got no trees.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
Bro, let me tell you about Hurricane Sandy nigga.
I lost my car, my job, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
I know your niggas on the island got hit.
I lost my car, my job and mycrib.
I don't know your niggas on theisland got hit because my
sister was going to St John's atthe time.
So I was like, oh yeah, queens,what the gig.
Hurt too, cause I let my Queensright there on the shore.
Look at that.
Look at that.
Look at that.
Two inches long.

(01:03:19):
Look at that.
Two feet of rain, two feet ofrain.
I'm over here in Connecticut.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Tell it yeah, bro, I was suffering Hurricane Sandy.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
Shit.
But nah, after that shit, damnit, all my job called me and
they was like yeah, we got thecall to go mom, fuck me, clean
up Relief offers, HurricaneSandy I don't know how much
y'all paying, right, it's like$15 a week and we got your
statement, we got your dailyallowance.
Make sure y'all eat, niggas.
I was walking around like threeracks a week on that cleanup

(01:03:56):
shit.
Three racks a week, easy, easy.
First check money.
I want you to grab pack money.
Yeah, bro, I was just what agod.
I made a call.
Who was the qualifications foryou to be a cleanup member?
Niggas, it was just a job I wasworking at.
So at that time I was doingconstruction work.
So, fucking, I already had mycertifications in terms of, like

(01:04:17):
, underwater tank storage, cleanup and shit like that, Find
spaces and all that shit likehas, wipe our hands, match
certifications and whatnot.
Like I had that shit.
I mean, that's what I was doing.
Like, right after I had myfirst daughter, my nigga, I was
like, yeah, nah, I got me, I gotsome bridge, like bridge,

(01:04:37):
bridge, because I got a big sign.
Yeah, that's all I did, Got totake construction.
Right after I got thatconstruction money, nigga.
I turned that first check.
I said I can't stand any of thebig track money.
Nigga, that shit was easier atthe time 2013,.
You already know what themprices was looking like, but at
the time it's fucking.

(01:04:57):
Like I said my sister was goingto St John's fucking.
One of her peoples was fromCali.
So I'm like, yeah, he lived upin the golden triangle like
Mendocino's that shit.
Yeah, we got three up there.
So he was like nigga, we growover time.
And I had a straw big cough.

(01:05:17):
I thought I was eating a strawbaby.
My nigga almost said you peethat shit.
2013, you already paid $1,700for that pee.
You can talk about it at timeswith a piece of like yeah, $38,.
Nigga, Shoot me.
2013.
2013.
You talking about what?
Yeah, Talking like four for thepee.

(01:05:39):
At that time I think I got thatshit for $17.
No one was clicking my heelsthree, four times.
I was like, oh, this shit offedyeah, One, this shit offed Two.
Nigga, I'm not mad at you andyou were the trapping.
You said no, I wasn't trappingat that time, but when I heard
it, I was like I'm trapping now.
I was like I'm feeling the samething.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
I'm trapping.
Now too.
They can fuck that.
Don't trap me now.
Run that motherfucker up Shitnigga 2013.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
And I had the age goal for $45.
Just because of all that, nigga, Just because it's not going to
cost me nothing, man, nigga,it's not going to cost me
nothing.
And niggas are still dubbingand dying.
At that time I'm like this shitnot going to cost me nothing,
man, nigga.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Shit.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
I don't know.
That's part of the reason whythe money became so fucked up by
2014,.
Nigga, you say it's just $40.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
Bro, even now it's just $40 now.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
That's what I'm saying.
That's because the market man,the market, Everybody started
relying on dispensaries.
I'm like, as long as thedispensaries charge you $50 for
age, nigga anybody on?
the block could charge you $40.
Yeah, anybody, you can'tcomplain.
Like I used to tell niggas backthen, like yo, when age was
talking about $25, I was like,nigga, I don't want that.

(01:07:00):
I don't want that.
I'm not used to paying $25 for3.5 grand.
Now, something wrong with this.
You about to give me some boof,you about to give me some shit.
I'm out to come back to you fora bit.
I don't smoke the split fromdebut, your shit.
That end of my mind.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
I don't want, yeah, I don't want.
No bullshit.

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
It's the difference that you wish you charge me $40,
nigga, charge me $40, dude, letme know what some good shit
Like.
I'm around.
I'm around Appreciate you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
Yeah, charge me $40, nigga, I swear Fuck out of you.
I'm on the same type of time,bro.
I'm telling you, I'm tellingyou man.

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
Man shout out to my nigga, mr Beek, who always
showed me love Cause the strangehe be running around with now
with these.
My nigga, I don't got somestrudel strings.
My nigga, some shit just comingout the West Coast, cause he
got me tapped into some of thepeople that he be affiliated
with too.
Yeah, so yeah, that was like Isaid that was nothing more than
a DM.
Give it a big six.

(01:07:56):
You know what I'm saying?
That's just nothing more than aDM.
Your time is so different, bro.
That's what I'm saying.
Like you don't gotta call yourman.
It's a call a man to get incontact with a man, and it's so
crazy how that shit changedwithin the past eight, nine, 10
years.
My nigga, cause I remember whenI was on my music wave and me
and my team was traveling up anddown to 95.

(01:08:17):
You could a DM nigga.
It was like crazy, crazy,trying to get in contact to
fucking see what's good.
Nah, hell, no, not even at thattime.
Hell, no, you still had to seeniggas.
Like I remember when we wasdoing these shows out in Atlanta
and fucking, I ain't gonna holdyou shit when south down there,
just because niggas ain't knowhow to move all the way.

(01:08:39):
Yeah, I mean one of my niggaskeep it a big heat from New York
.
One of my niggas had gotten ittwisted with one of the
promoters down there and fucking, long story short, you got our
set bumped.
For one I sat was too longanyway.
Like you know what I mean, likeyou do a music, you gotta know

(01:09:00):
what the business is and shitlike that.
I ain't gonna hold you.
So that was homework for us,that was a lesson for us.
But we still turn that shitinto a positive Cause.
One of my people's from my teamhe actually had a connection
down in Atlanta at the time sowe was able to chop it up with
one of them off fucking love andhip hop producers when the

(01:09:22):
niggas he produced on where theyJ holiday first two albums and
shit.
Oh, so he, probably he wasgoing to that.
I will put you to bed.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, he was one of them offand produced.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
Yeah, chef was before Blabber.
Yeah, chef was before.
Chef was before.
Oh no, what the hell is that?
That's all right.

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
I mean hey yo.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
Nah, he's trash.
Don't even waste your money.
No, I say that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
Yeah, don't even waste your fucking money.
See that?
That's probably why I didn'tknow what the fuck he was.
Yeah, facts.

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
Three, two, yeah, nah , but what?

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
you was saying but yeah, fucking, no fuck.
Was I saying, I don't know I'llbe getting lost in thoughts
sometimes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,me, both Me both Me, both Fuckin
.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
Do I have any more stuff to talk about?

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
No, no, no, fucking the smoking, that white boy shit
that we supposed to be smokingon man.
Yeah, that's good.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
Yeah, but you can hit the bomb.
Let's take another flip though.
Three, two, all right, yeah,man, yeah, that's a good one.
Episode 25, that's a wrap, myman fucking Mal.
Told to me, told to me Hartfordstand the fuck up.

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
Hey, yo, cardamon, I can't even hold you.
It was a pleasure coming outhere having that conversation.
It's just regular conversations.
Yeah, absolutely bro.
And then these conversationswill go to the end of the day.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
We're gonna have cause you off Sunday Monday,
right, yeah, yeah.
So always off, we off the samedays.
Always off Sunday Monday too.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
Yeah, he is yes, he is yes he is, and always a part
of this.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
So we could do an episode.
Would you be open to me?
You, owen Randy, I'm around youaround, I'm left around, all
right, so I don't know.
Yeah, and Valence too, causeValence, valence gotta get up in
this motherfucker too.
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
Yeah, cause you already know that shit.
That nigga got shit to talkabout.
Yeah, not Viz, that's what I'msaying, bro.
Look man, we talk about kids.
You know it's crazy, me and Viz, we got connections, fuckin'.
We know a lot of the samepeople, cause V from Brooklyn, I
ain't even know that shit too,fuckin'.
We had a conversation one day.
He was like yo, how you knowsomeone, someone, someone,
someone, someone, someone.
I, like nigga, he's been out inNew York all the fucking time.

(01:12:04):
Man, like he's calling themniggas for confirmation, like yo
, yeah, that's my man, that'swhere he at.

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
Man V is my man.
We gotta get fuckin' V on forV-U-V-O.
Randy, that could be.
That could probably be the nextepisode we'll make it happen.
Live from the gut, episode 25,man Shout out.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
Mal.
You already know.
You already know how to letyour boy go to Mali.
You know what I mean.
Let's get it.