June 27, 2025 • 17 mins
Have men lost their way in modern society? This raw conversation with Bolderhead explores the troubling shift away from male responsibility and accountability, contrasting it with the rising leadership of women who increasingly serve as breadwinners, protectors, and homemakers simultaneously.
From behind prison walls comes a perspective rarely heard in mainstream media—a man reflecting on fifteen years of incarceration and the transformation of his mindset from self-centered thinking to understanding the ripple effects of his actions on victims, families, and communities. This powerful testimony from Bolderhead reveals how finding purpose through creative writing and media production has provided direction and meaning during confinement.
The dialogue delves into authentic storytelling and the responsibility creators have to portray realistic consequences rather than glorified criminal lifestyles that mislead young viewers. We hear about a growing publishing company signing new authors, completed books awaiting release, and television projects in development—all orchestrated from within the prison system.
Most compelling is the heartfelt advice offered to young men: value education, consider long-term consequences, seek guidance from respected mentors, and understand that decisions made at fifteen can still impact life at forty-five. The conversation closes with a profound realization that material wealth means nothing without genuine relationships and that having a vision larger than your current circumstances provides the motivation to overcome any obstacle.
Listen in and challenge your thinking about manhood, responsibility, and what constitutes true success in a world that often measures worth by the wrong metrics.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Yo.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Top of the top.
What's the word?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Boulderhead, Top of the morning, top of the morning,
how you feeling.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Feeling good.
You know, feeling great.
Today it's a beautiful dayoutside.
You know, looking forward togetting the day started, going
on a hike with my dog.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Okay, you got high energy early in the morning.
Man, I like to hear that man?
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Oh yeah, definitely I'm up 5 am every day, man.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Okay, I'm up at 6, so I had to run around, do a few
things, so starting the day.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
You know, it's crazy, uh, I had a conversation last
night, right, okay, about what,what it takes to be a man and
what I'm, what, what I'm seeingwith the young guys.
You know I've been going for 15and a half years, so you, I'm
seeing a lot of the young guyscome in and it's like men being
responsible.
Is not there, no more.
(01:09):
Men standing on their word isnot there, no more.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yeah, lack of accountability is something we
are dealing with in the modernday era.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah, and it's like he was telling me he was like yo
, the women out there, likethey're the ones that's really
doing things.
And I'm like how did it change?
How did it go from the menbeing the protectors and being
the breadwinners to now they siton the couch playing video
games and you got women outthere making a living, taking
(01:42):
care of the home and being theprotector?
All in one, they're being theones that's responsible.
And, you know, I feel like thesolution comes.
We're the only solution to ourown problems.
And when we start comingtogether and we put our petty
egos to the side and we cometogether and strengthen each
(02:03):
other with that positive thought, that positive reassurance of
what we got going on, and whenyou're able to do that, when
you're able to come and say youknow what, elliot, I'm going
through something right now andI need your advice, you know we
need that more often.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
And men being comfortable with not knowing.
But you know a lot of peopledeal with the egos and they're
dealing with, you know, notwanting to feel vulnerable, not
wanting to be perceived as weak.
So now they take that and theyshow their weakness by not
showing that strength in thosetimes of need and being okay
(02:53):
with not being okay.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Yeah, I could definitely agree.
Somewhere along the way menhave lost the leadership role
and it has been assumed by women.
You know women have been ontheir P's and Q's out here in
society.
You know taking care ofresponsibilities and getting to
the bag.
You know they're stepping up inthe field of creativity and
(03:17):
just responsibilities in general.
You know what I'm saying.
I definitely tip my hat to thewomen out there, all the single
mothers taking care ofeverything and doing what they
got to do.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah, I'm inspired.
I'm inspired more by the womenout there than the men, like,
because they really stepping itup, like one of my daughters
she's 27 and's getting a housebuilt from the ground up and
it's like, wow, like you'rereally out there, you're really
doing things that people twiceyour age is not doing.
(03:50):
They're not even thinking aboutdoing.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Like and I always.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
This call is from a federal prison.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
You got some of the good men that's doing it, but
you got so many more women doingit, man, and you know I always
like to show praise to them andshow my appreciation for our
beautiful black women.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Absolutely, Absolutely.
So what are some of the thingsthat you that you're working on
currently?
You know I'm saying let thepeople know what you got going
on with the books.
I know you got Black Soul byAndre Collier.
I've been shouting that out,you know, pushing that heavy on
Instagram and Facebook.
So is there a part two coming?
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Oh, part two is out right now on Amazon and Barnes
Noble.
I got I'm in the works.
I just signed a new artist, anew writer.
He's amazing.
He's out of the Bronx ToshBaller, he's out of Cortland,
cortland Ave.
Then I got Rich RobertsConfession of a Brooklyn Jack
(04:55):
Boy.
So that's more of a.
That's more.
It's an urban novel, but it'smore like an autobiography Not
mine, though, so let me makethat clear.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
So when you say you signed them, you signed them to
your multimedia company, mypublisher.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
yeah, so he's working on part two of his book, so
those will be in stores beforethe year's out.
But I'm just working on.
You know I got 12 bookscomplete.
So you know I'm just typingeverything up, putting the book
covers in order, gettingeverything in order, so now when
it's time to release, they canjust go.
(05:34):
But as far as writing, I'mdoing movies and I'm working on
actually a television scriptlike a series.
Okay, me and John DeGroat outof Stapleton, we're doing
amazing things, man, and youknow all the obstacles we
(05:55):
navigate around them and we makeit happen.
So you know, definitely you canlook out for that soon.
And you said your partner isJohn.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
DeGroat with that.
Yeah, he's in the feds too, youknow.
Definitely you can look out forthat soon.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
And you said your partner is John DeGroat.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
With that, yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
He's in the feds too.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Nah, he's home, he's home, oh, okay, okay, okay.
So that's your partner in thestreets.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Yeah, so with the series.
So you know, I'm working with afew other people.
I got another project projectin the world, which is big, but
I really can't get into thatbecause it's uh, it's a part two
of a hood classic and it's not.
It's not, you know.
You know you see a lot of parttwos and it's like, oh, that's a
(06:38):
cheesy remake.
Nah, like everybody that'sreading it they're like holy
shit, like they're amazed bywhat I was able to do with it.
And you know the main cast theygot killed off in part one, but
the supporting cast they backand you're able to see their
life now.
(06:58):
So it's amazing, but again, Ican't really talk about that
right now because I'm basicallynegotiating something now.
So it's amazing, but again, Ican't really talk about that
right now because I'm basicallynegotiating something.
So I'm just hold up on that andyou're gonna be the first one
to know, like yo, this is what'sgoing on.
This is what I got going on andbut, um, I'm excited about that
project, the project with John.
(07:19):
I'm excited about that.
I got you know every day, everyday, all day.
You know this is what I do.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
So is writing something that you started
throughout the course of thisbid.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yeah, I used to take it serious.
Yes, you know I always like towrite.
You know, I've been I've beencoming to jail since I was young
, so that used to be like whenI'm bored, you're sitting in the
cell and it's just like, let medo something.
You've read all the books thatthey got and it's like when you
(07:51):
start looking at certain books,you're like dude's getting paid
to do this, like.
So you know, I really startedtaking it serious actually a few
years ago probably, like 2017,2018.
I'm sitting in here and it'slike I need to put my mind
towards something that's biggerthan myself.
Yeah, and then I startedputting together.
(08:13):
Like now I don't have a purpose, like you know, I this call is
from a federal prison, I think alot of people.
Their mistakes is they lackpurpose.
They wake up in the morning andit's like I'm just going to
work, they're just going throughthe routine of it, but they
don't have a purpose.
They don't have a purpose thatencouraged them to.
Even when the obstacles come,they're able to navigate through
(08:37):
them because I have a biggerpurpose and my purpose is that
strong to where, like I, canovercome anything.
Nothing can get in my way.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Yeah definitely.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
So, you know, I look at what 50 Cent is doing, I look
at what Tyler Perry is doingright now and it's like they
feeding a lot of families, theygiving jobs to a lot of people,
they encouraging people withtheir words, they encouraging
people with their words, theyencouraging people with their
actions, and it's like that'samazing.
So when I think about where Iwant to be at, I want to in a
creative space, I want to besomewhere in between, like I
(09:13):
don't want to be all the wayhood gangster, like where 50 is
at as far as the content thathe's releasing, but then I don't
want to be where Tyler Perry is.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Yeah, I get it.
You want some type of a balance.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
The balance.
So you know, and that's whatI'm working for and that's a lot
of my work, that's what it'sworking for.
I deal with a lot of like.
I try to put a lot of likehistorical aspects into my
writing, because now it feelsmore authentic.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Yeah, definitely understood.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
You got, you got.
When you have like a 15 yearold kid that runs his whole
neighborhood and he's like adrug Lord at 15 is like it's not
realistic.
That's not, it's not real.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Nor is this something that you should be.
You know, preaching to theyouth, huh.
Nor is this something that youshould be, you know, preaching
to the youth, uh-huh.
Nor is this something that youshould be preaching to the youth
.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Yeah, because they're thinking that oh, I've just
seen that on TV, I can do that,I can go shoot up a block and
get away with it, and there's noconsequences behind it, and
that's not cool, there's noconsequences behind it, and
that's not cool.
So then you know, they got thatadded with the video games and
they feeling like it's like theyrun around playing Call of Duty
(10:30):
.
But this is real life, this isnot.
You don't get a do-over, youmake a mistake and that mistake
can cost you the rest of yourlife.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Yeah, that's it, it's over.
So we're approaching the11-minute mark here.
I got two questions for you andI would like for you to close
it out with these two questionswhat's your mentality now, you
know?
How have you grown since you'vebeen incarcerated, and what's
your message to the youth thatyou would like to leave closing
out the interview.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Okay, my mentality changed, because now I value
life, you know, in all its forms.
Before it was just like all Ithought about was me, but now
I'm looking at my actions andseeing the effect that I have on
so many other people.
I'm looking at my actions andseeing the effect that I have on
so many other people, not justmy family, but victims and their
(11:25):
family, and the things that youknow have long-lasting effects,
lifelong effects.
That that, that, that, thatlike that, inspires me to do
good Because of all the bad thatI've done.
And for the young boys, it'slike you have to have a vision
(11:50):
right and know that this is thepath I'm going and I'm not
listening to what everybody say.
Sometimes I might have to bealone because everybody's doing
this, but that's not right.
You know, take responsibility,because what you do at 15,
(12:11):
you're not realizing that you'llbe 45 years old still dealing
with the consequences that youmade when you was 15.
Still dealing with theconsequences that you made when
you was 15.
Think about the consequences ofyour actions, not just for today
or tomorrow.
Long term and, you know, becomfortable with going, sitting
(12:31):
down and talking to somebody, becomfortable with change, be
comfortable with somethingdifferent.
And if everybody's saying youshould wear this.
Think about, hold on, is thisreally a good outfit or is this
really what I want to do?
Do I really want to be agangbanger?
Do I really want to leave outof school like everybody that I
(12:53):
talk to in here?
Right, they be like they wishthey would have stayed in school
.
Why?
Because all the people that aresuccessful went to school and
succeeded the ones that with theso called nerves is the ones
that's running these companiesnow that they're going to work
for.
So it only makes sense like todo the right thing now, because
(13:18):
the things that you do now isgoing to affect you.
You know the relationships thatyou build now have a long-term
effect.
Your actions have a long-termeffect, and just be mindful of
that.
And you know everybody'sdealing with their own personal
issues.
So you know it's really noone-size-fits-all, you know, but
(13:40):
just get that one goodindividual, whether your uncle,
your father, the next-doorneighbor, and sit down, and
somebody that you respect,somebody's opinion that you
respect and be open to listen towhat he's saying, because I
used to always not want tolisten to the older guys.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Like they say something, something, and it's
like, yeah, I hear you, but youdon't have the Benz, you don't
have the nice car, you don'tthat's what I want.
Yeah, yeah, I was just lookingfor the materialistic things.
But they had their family, theyhad their freedom, they had
their ability to get up in themorning and eat and drink what
(14:20):
they want.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
They had the most sentimental things that you
valued.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
The one that's the value, the family, the love,
because when you take all themoney away, what you got left?
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Relationships.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Because you can be rich and lonely.
I'd rather be poor with lovingpeople around me than rich and
lonely, because you can't buygenuine relationships.
You know, and a lot of peoplethey try to do it, they try to
get money so they could buypeople and buy relationships,
but that's not going to last.
(14:54):
That's not going to last long,that's going to be over.
And then what?
Now you messed up all yourrelationships trying to chase
after this money, and now you'relonely around a bunch of people
that don't care about you.
And what did you do it for?
Well, what I want to, uh, what Iwant to explain to you too,
right, is the bigger vision.
(15:17):
Right, okay, I see you goingthrough what you're going
through, right, absolutely.
But what helps me get by inhere and what has me able to do?
What I do in here is having avision that's bigger than myself
.
Yeah, having a purpose that'sbigger than myself.
(15:38):
Having a purpose that's biggerthan myself.
So, you know, with thepublishing company, I got that
going on.
I got the media company goingon.
I'm developing a series, atelevision series, like I'm
working on that.
So, regardless of what's goingon in here, I have a bigger
vision.
So it doesn't matter if I got$2 in my pocket or I got
$200,000 in my pocket.
(15:59):
The vision still remains thesame, absolutely.
So the bigger vision I want youto see is that you have good
men, positive men, that supportyour platform.
And you know we salute you, Isalute you, and that's content
for the broader world.
And you have to be able totranslate that content into
(16:25):
dollars, and that's easier thanwhat you really think.
But, your vision has to be there, so you can see all the
possibilities as they arise.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Yeah, definitely no.
No, the vision's there.
The vision is grand.
You know, trust me, I'm pushingforward and making incredible
efforts every day.
You know I just broke a hugestory about Summer Jam backstage
.
You know there was a brawlbackstage Summer Jam with the
Dream Chasers.
I'm the only one that with thefootage.
You know I broke that.
(16:59):
You know I'm breaking biggerand better news every day.
So you know I'm working.
It's just and it's my passion.
So you know I'm always going topush my greatest effort.
But you know it comes with itsups and downs, its struggles.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Yeah, yeah.
And a lot of times you got tothe hate is going to come and
you got to know that and you gotto step on that and you got to
know that people is always goingto try to bring you down.
Misery loves company.
Misery always likes company.
So once you understand that,you're able to navigate through
(17:39):
the treacherous waters easy.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Yeah, most certainly.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Yo.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Top of the top.
What's the word?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Boulderhead, Top of the morning, top of the morning,
how you feeling.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Feeling good.
You know, feeling great.
Today it's a beautiful dayoutside.
You know, looking forward togetting the day started, going
on a hike with my dog.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Okay, you got high energy early in the morning.
Man, I like to hear that man?
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Oh yeah, definitely I'm up 5 am every day, man.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Okay, I'm up at 6, so I had to run around, do a few
things, so starting the day.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
You know, it's crazy, uh, I had a conversation last
night, right, okay, about what,what it takes to be a man and
what I'm, what, what I'm seeingwith the young guys.
You know I've been going for 15and a half years, so you, I'm
seeing a lot of the young guyscome in and it's like men being
responsible.
Is not there, no more.
(01:09):
Men standing on their word isnot there, no more.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yeah, lack of accountability is something we
are dealing with in the modernday era.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah, and it's like he was telling me he was like yo
, the women out there, likethey're the ones that's really
doing things.
And I'm like how did it change?
How did it go from the menbeing the protectors and being
the breadwinners to now they siton the couch playing video
games and you got women outthere making a living, taking
(01:42):
care of the home and being theprotector?
All in one, they're being theones that's responsible.
And, you know, I feel like thesolution comes.
We're the only solution to ourown problems.
And when we start comingtogether and we put our petty
egos to the side and we cometogether and strengthen each
(02:03):
other with that positive thought, that positive reassurance of
what we got going on, and whenyou're able to do that, when
you're able to come and say youknow what, elliot, I'm going
through something right now andI need your advice, you know we
need that more often.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
And men being comfortable with not knowing.
But you know a lot of peopledeal with the egos and they're
dealing with, you know, notwanting to feel vulnerable, not
wanting to be perceived as weak.
So now they take that and theyshow their weakness by not
showing that strength in thosetimes of need and being okay
(02:53):
with not being okay.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Yeah, I could definitely agree.
Somewhere along the way menhave lost the leadership role
and it has been assumed by women.
You know women have been ontheir P's and Q's out here in
society.
You know taking care ofresponsibilities and getting to
the bag.
You know they're stepping up inthe field of creativity and
(03:17):
just responsibilities in general.
You know what I'm saying.
I definitely tip my hat to thewomen out there, all the single
mothers taking care ofeverything and doing what they
got to do.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah, I'm inspired.
I'm inspired more by the womenout there than the men, like,
because they really stepping itup, like one of my daughters
she's 27 and's getting a housebuilt from the ground up and
it's like, wow, like you'rereally out there, you're really
doing things that people twiceyour age is not doing.
(03:50):
They're not even thinking aboutdoing.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Like and I always.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
This call is from a federal prison.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
You got some of the good men that's doing it, but
you got so many more women doingit, man, and you know I always
like to show praise to them andshow my appreciation for our
beautiful black women.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Absolutely, Absolutely.
So what are some of the thingsthat you that you're working on
currently?
You know I'm saying let thepeople know what you got going
on with the books.
I know you got Black Soul byAndre Collier.
I've been shouting that out,you know, pushing that heavy on
Instagram and Facebook.
So is there a part two coming?
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Oh, part two is out right now on Amazon and Barnes
Noble.
I got I'm in the works.
I just signed a new artist, anew writer.
He's amazing.
He's out of the Bronx ToshBaller, he's out of Cortland,
cortland Ave.
Then I got Rich RobertsConfession of a Brooklyn Jack
(04:55):
Boy.
So that's more of a.
That's more.
It's an urban novel, but it'smore like an autobiography Not
mine, though, so let me makethat clear.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
So when you say you signed them, you signed them to
your multimedia company, mypublisher.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
yeah, so he's working on part two of his book, so
those will be in stores beforethe year's out.
But I'm just working on.
You know I got 12 bookscomplete.
So you know I'm just typingeverything up, putting the book
covers in order, gettingeverything in order, so now when
it's time to release, they canjust go.
(05:34):
But as far as writing, I'mdoing movies and I'm working on
actually a television scriptlike a series.
Okay, me and John DeGroat outof Stapleton, we're doing
amazing things, man, and youknow all the obstacles we
(05:55):
navigate around them and we makeit happen.
So you know, definitely you canlook out for that soon.
And you said your partner isJohn.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
DeGroat with that.
Yeah, he's in the feds too, youknow.
Definitely you can look out forthat soon.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
And you said your partner is John DeGroat.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
With that, yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
He's in the feds too.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Nah, he's home, he's home, oh, okay, okay, okay.
So that's your partner in thestreets.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Yeah, so with the series.
So you know, I'm working with afew other people.
I got another project projectin the world, which is big, but
I really can't get into thatbecause it's uh, it's a part two
of a hood classic and it's not.
It's not, you know.
You know you see a lot of parttwos and it's like, oh, that's a
(06:38):
cheesy remake.
Nah, like everybody that'sreading it they're like holy
shit, like they're amazed bywhat I was able to do with it.
And you know the main cast theygot killed off in part one, but
the supporting cast they backand you're able to see their
life now.
(06:58):
So it's amazing, but again, Ican't really talk about that
right now because I'm basicallynegotiating something now.
So it's amazing, but again, Ican't really talk about that
right now because I'm basicallynegotiating something.
So I'm just hold up on that andyou're gonna be the first one
to know, like yo, this is what'sgoing on.
This is what I got going on andbut, um, I'm excited about that
project, the project with John.
(07:19):
I'm excited about that.
I got you know every day, everyday, all day.
You know this is what I do.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
So is writing something that you started
throughout the course of thisbid.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yeah, I used to take it serious.
Yes, you know I always like towrite.
You know, I've been I've beencoming to jail since I was young
, so that used to be like whenI'm bored, you're sitting in the
cell and it's just like, let medo something.
You've read all the books thatthey got and it's like when you
(07:51):
start looking at certain books,you're like dude's getting paid
to do this, like.
So you know, I really startedtaking it serious actually a few
years ago probably, like 2017,2018.
I'm sitting in here and it'slike I need to put my mind
towards something that's biggerthan myself.
Yeah, and then I startedputting together.
(08:13):
Like now I don't have a purpose, like you know, I this call is
from a federal prison, I think alot of people.
Their mistakes is they lackpurpose.
They wake up in the morning andit's like I'm just going to
work, they're just going throughthe routine of it, but they
don't have a purpose.
They don't have a purpose thatencouraged them to.
Even when the obstacles come,they're able to navigate through
(08:37):
them because I have a biggerpurpose and my purpose is that
strong to where, like I, canovercome anything.
Nothing can get in my way.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Yeah definitely.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
So, you know, I look at what 50 Cent is doing, I look
at what Tyler Perry is doingright now and it's like they
feeding a lot of families, theygiving jobs to a lot of people,
they encouraging people withtheir words, they encouraging
people with their words, theyencouraging people with their
actions, and it's like that'samazing.
So when I think about where Iwant to be at, I want to in a
creative space, I want to besomewhere in between, like I
(09:13):
don't want to be all the wayhood gangster, like where 50 is
at as far as the content thathe's releasing, but then I don't
want to be where Tyler Perry is.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Yeah, I get it.
You want some type of a balance.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
The balance.
So you know, and that's whatI'm working for and that's a lot
of my work, that's what it'sworking for.
I deal with a lot of like.
I try to put a lot of likehistorical aspects into my
writing, because now it feelsmore authentic.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Yeah, definitely understood.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
You got, you got.
When you have like a 15 yearold kid that runs his whole
neighborhood and he's like adrug Lord at 15 is like it's not
realistic.
That's not, it's not real.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Nor is this something that you should be.
You know, preaching to theyouth, huh.
Nor is this something that youshould be, you know, preaching
to the youth, uh-huh.
Nor is this something that youshould be preaching to the youth
.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Yeah, because they're thinking that oh, I've just
seen that on TV, I can do that,I can go shoot up a block and
get away with it, and there's noconsequences behind it, and
that's not cool, there's noconsequences behind it, and
that's not cool.
So then you know, they got thatadded with the video games and
they feeling like it's like theyrun around playing Call of Duty
(10:30):
.
But this is real life, this isnot.
You don't get a do-over, youmake a mistake and that mistake
can cost you the rest of yourlife.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Yeah, that's it, it's over.
So we're approaching the11-minute mark here.
I got two questions for you andI would like for you to close
it out with these two questionswhat's your mentality now, you
know?
How have you grown since you'vebeen incarcerated, and what's
your message to the youth thatyou would like to leave closing
out the interview.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Okay, my mentality changed, because now I value
life, you know, in all its forms.
Before it was just like all Ithought about was me, but now
I'm looking at my actions andseeing the effect that I have on
so many other people.
I'm looking at my actions andseeing the effect that I have on
so many other people, not justmy family, but victims and their
(11:25):
family, and the things that youknow have long-lasting effects,
lifelong effects.
That that, that, that, thatlike that, inspires me to do
good Because of all the bad thatI've done.
And for the young boys, it'slike you have to have a vision
(11:50):
right and know that this is thepath I'm going and I'm not
listening to what everybody say.
Sometimes I might have to bealone because everybody's doing
this, but that's not right.
You know, take responsibility,because what you do at 15,
(12:11):
you're not realizing that you'llbe 45 years old still dealing
with the consequences that youmade when you was 15.
Still dealing with theconsequences that you made when
you was 15.
Think about the consequences ofyour actions, not just for today
or tomorrow.
Long term and, you know, becomfortable with going, sitting
(12:31):
down and talking to somebody, becomfortable with change, be
comfortable with somethingdifferent.
And if everybody's saying youshould wear this.
Think about, hold on, is thisreally a good outfit or is this
really what I want to do?
Do I really want to be agangbanger?
Do I really want to leave outof school like everybody that I
(12:53):
talk to in here?
Right, they be like they wishthey would have stayed in school
.
Why?
Because all the people that aresuccessful went to school and
succeeded the ones that with theso called nerves is the ones
that's running these companiesnow that they're going to work
for.
So it only makes sense like todo the right thing now, because
(13:18):
the things that you do now isgoing to affect you.
You know the relationships thatyou build now have a long-term
effect.
Your actions have a long-termeffect, and just be mindful of
that.
And you know everybody'sdealing with their own personal
issues.
So you know it's really noone-size-fits-all, you know, but
(13:40):
just get that one goodindividual, whether your uncle,
your father, the next-doorneighbor, and sit down, and
somebody that you respect,somebody's opinion that you
respect and be open to listen towhat he's saying, because I
used to always not want tolisten to the older guys.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Like they say something, something, and it's
like, yeah, I hear you, but youdon't have the Benz, you don't
have the nice car, you don'tthat's what I want.
Yeah, yeah, I was just lookingfor the materialistic things.
But they had their family, theyhad their freedom, they had
their ability to get up in themorning and eat and drink what
(14:20):
they want.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
They had the most sentimental things that you
valued.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
The one that's the value, the family, the love,
because when you take all themoney away, what you got left?
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Relationships.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Because you can be rich and lonely.
I'd rather be poor with lovingpeople around me than rich and
lonely, because you can't buygenuine relationships.
You know, and a lot of peoplethey try to do it, they try to
get money so they could buypeople and buy relationships,
but that's not going to last.
(14:54):
That's not going to last long,that's going to be over.
And then what?
Now you messed up all yourrelationships trying to chase
after this money, and now you'relonely around a bunch of people
that don't care about you.
And what did you do it for?
Well, what I want to, uh, what Iwant to explain to you too,
right, is the bigger vision.
(15:17):
Right, okay, I see you goingthrough what you're going
through, right, absolutely.
But what helps me get by inhere and what has me able to do?
What I do in here is having avision that's bigger than myself
.
Yeah, having a purpose that'sbigger than myself.
(15:38):
Having a purpose that's biggerthan myself.
So, you know, with thepublishing company, I got that
going on.
I got the media company goingon.
I'm developing a series, atelevision series, like I'm
working on that.
So, regardless of what's goingon in here, I have a bigger
vision.
So it doesn't matter if I got$2 in my pocket or I got
$200,000 in my pocket.
(15:59):
The vision still remains thesame, absolutely.
So the bigger vision I want youto see is that you have good
men, positive men, that supportyour platform.
And you know we salute you, Isalute you, and that's content
for the broader world.
And you have to be able totranslate that content into
(16:25):
dollars, and that's easier thanwhat you really think.
But, your vision has to be there, so you can see all the
possibilities as they arise.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Yeah, definitely no.
No, the vision's there.
The vision is grand.
You know, trust me, I'm pushingforward and making incredible
efforts every day.
You know I just broke a hugestory about Summer Jam backstage
.
You know there was a brawlbackstage Summer Jam with the
Dream Chasers.
I'm the only one that with thefootage.
You know I broke that.
(16:59):
You know I'm breaking biggerand better news every day.
So you know I'm working.
It's just and it's my passion.
So you know I'm always going topush my greatest effort.
But you know it comes with itsups and downs, its struggles.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Yeah, yeah.
And a lot of times you got tothe hate is going to come and
you got to know that and you gotto step on that and you got to
know that people is always goingto try to bring you down.
Misery loves company.
Misery always likes company.
So once you understand that,you're able to navigate through
(17:39):
the treacherous waters easy.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Yeah, most certainly.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
They locking us in just now, oh man.
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