The Great Juggle of Hearts, Pixels, and Policy in Our Modern Maze

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Navigating the labyrinth of modern society, we find ourselves at the crossroads of social media's omnipresence and the quest for authentic connection. With the insightful @Jaylean0rtiz, a future dental hygienist with a sociological lens, we peel back the layers of how platforms like Facebook and Instagram have altered our interactions, our presentation of self, and our business engagements. Prepare to rethink the essence of cultural identity and influence as we dissect the transformation of Instagram from a snapshot-sharing corner to a colossal marketing juggernaut.

Stepping into the minefield of contemporary relationships and dating, this episode doesn't hold back on the raw and often painful realities of seeking love and self-worth. From the heartache of infidelity to the perplexing nature of dating labels, we share personal accounts that resonate with the struggles many face in their pursuit of a meaningful connection. Listen as we unpack the dilemmas of privacy versus publicity in romance, and how our choices reflect deeper values when it comes to selecting a life partner.

Yet, it's not just the intricacies of love that we confront. This conversation also ventures into contentious debates over bathroom safety, gender boundaries, and the protection of our children in a world where lines are increasingly blurred. We tackle the harrowing tale of a school incident that has us questioning policy and parental vigilance, all while weaving through the lighter notes of popular music and the charged political landscape we're navigating. Join us for an episode that promises to challenge, inform, and spark dialogue on the pressing matters that shape our lives.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You said we don't even make love no more.
Oh my, no, no, no, no, no,cause you know that's not right.
Oh, I just sweat and bleedCause I can't give you my life.
It's your father loving me.

(00:24):
You pushed us trust in me.
I'm not in love.
I'm not in love.
It's kinda cool, nothing likethat.
I was doing the hours comingright there why you left me
alone.
You said you know I was cominghome.
You said you know I've been outthere working all night.

(00:46):
I'm a 5-lady and a baby gets onmy fucking nerves About the
same thing.
We don't speak the samelanguage.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
We don't speak the samelanguage.
We don't speak the samelanguage.

(01:07):
We won't be the cry of thewrong.
They tell you I'm drunk, drunkthat there ain't no love.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Reporting live from the motherfucking gutters.
Your boy, elliot Carter, got aspecial guest with me today.
Jasmine, talk to him.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Hey, what's up y'all?
I'm Jasmine JB and Ortiz onInstagram Ortiz with a zero
right.
Yeah, ortiz with a zero JB andOrtiz Okay um talk to me, who is
JB and Ortiz?
Well, jb and Ortiz is a20-year-old woman From

(01:46):
Connecticut who is interested indentistry, interested in
sociology, interested inpsychology.
She's interested in all of thatJust having a conversation,
going out to eat, just regularshit like that.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Okay, what school you go to?

Speaker 3 (02:08):
Nogatuck Valley.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
And what's your major ?

Speaker 3 (02:12):
Right now I'm doing general, but next year I'm going
to be transferring to GoodwinFor dental hygiene.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Okay, and do you have any?
How much longer do you have todo One semester?

Speaker 3 (02:24):
So one semester.
This semester is the lastsemester, and then I go to
Goodwin University in the summer.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Summer of 2024, and that's a program for two years.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
So in two years you'll be complete Yup and
you'll be into the field thatyou aspire to be in Yup.
Alright, so what's the firstthing you want to talk about
today?
Sociology, yeah, we can talkabout sociology.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
We can talk about tic-tac we should talk about.
We should talk about.
So, since sociology is a bigpart of it, let's talk about how
society is going to change Inthe next 10 or so years, and
it's not going to be the samebecause of social media.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
I believe that society has already changed In
the last 10 or so years becauseof social media.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
What do you think?
When do you think that started?
When do you think it allchanged?
Uh, what was the biggest change?
Which?
Because it was different.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
The biggest change.
I would say the biggest changewas Facebook.
Facebook, you think so.
Yeah, I think once Facebookcame out.
And then I would say thefollowing platform to make the
biggest change would beInstagram.
Yeah, once Instagram came outand there was Instagram, twitter
and Facebook, I think a lot ofpeople's reality started to

(03:49):
change, yep and morph with thesesocial media platforms, but I
think the biggest change camefrom when Instagram started
letting you direct messagepeople.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
Yeah, Because I got Instagram.
I forgot I think it was in like2015 Because I was pretty young
when Instagram was becomingpopular and stuff like that but
I do remember the shift from howInstagram people were posting
before it started to get moreserious.
People started to take it a lotmore serious now.
So with the brand deals andstuff like that, people started

(04:28):
to become influencers and stufflike that.
I think that's when it allbecame a change and that's when
society started to go downhilland people started to become
Differentiate yeah,differentiate from reality and
fake.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah, that's what I mean when I said their realities
are starting to morph with thesocial media platforms.
But to elaborate on what yousaid a little bit, I think you
noticed the change later becauseof your age, the age gap here

(05:07):
between us.
So you don't even really knowwho Dipset is.
That's how young you are andDipset is huge.
You was born in Harlem and Idon't even know who that is, and
you was born in 2003,.
Right, yeah, the year you wasborn, dipset had New York on

(05:32):
smash.
I'm saying that I gotta getinto my roots.
Yeah, definitely get into yourroots, I do.
Yeah, I think it's because ofthat age gap that you say the
change started to take placelater.
But even with MySpace, youdidn't even have MySpace.

(05:56):
I did not have MySpace, myspace, skonex these are social media
platforms before your time.
Yeah, I didn't even know Blackpeople meet shit like that.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
That was a social media platform.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
You would call that a platform, I guess.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
Because it's like a dating app kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Yeah, I might be saying the wrong one, but it's
black people something.
It kind of got me fucked up.
But yeah, I know black peoplemeet the dating app and then you
gotta be okay with the datingapp too.
Yeah, but yeah.
So how do you feel social mediaaffects the youth?

Speaker 3 (06:40):
Oh, I feel as though it affects the youth, because
kids don't want to be kidsanymore.
Kids don't want to be kidsanymore Kids, alright.
So I think it all stems fromthe parents.
So parents letting their kidsbe open to unlimited internet
access and giving them theseopportunities.
They give them the iPad andtheir phones at a really young

(07:00):
age and they're just lettingthem do whatever they want on
these iPads and on their phonesand on their apps and not really
realizing how dangerous it is.
And I don't think society as awhole wants to actually
acknowledge the fact that Socialmedia is not as good as people
may seem.
There's good in social media,like I'm here right now on this
podcast We've got to be comingin contact with me because of

(07:22):
social media but on the youth,and at a certain point we have
to acknowledge the fact thatit's not all what it seems to be
the mix of realities.
And for younger kids especially, I work with kids personally, I
work at the YMCA and they'revery influenced.
Kids are sponges, they pick upon everything.

(07:42):
They're very influenced bytheir surroundings and what
they're seeing.
And if they're seeing a bunchof older people and they're
gonna see a bunch of olderpeople and people who have
filters on and they look acertain way.
The kids are gonna want tobecome that certain person and
they're not gonna want to bekids anymore, like the preteen

(08:02):
era when I was growing up, therewas a preteen era and kids were
really into justice and reallyinto like, hmm, like justice and
hanging out with their friendsat the mall and doing things
that preteens would actually do.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Like going outside playing catch riding bikes.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
For Christmas, even for Christmas.
Christmas is coming up and youknow, I don't even see kids
playing outside, playing hideand go seek anymore Playing
basketball outside.
I don't even see kids Becausein my neighborhood I live in a
complex and a lot of the kidsthey're not outside anymore.
I don't even see kids ridingtheir bikes anymore.
Never, never, no scooters Attheir age.
For Christmas I wanted a bike.
I wanted like from like 10 to13.

(08:45):
I wanted dolls.
I was still playing with dolls,like my little cousin.
She's 12 right now.
What she wants for Christmas?
She wants lube lemon.
She wants drunk elephant.
I don't even know what that is.
I know it's a skincare thing,but I don't even know to the
extent of what that is.
She wants like jewelry.
She wants like clothes.
When I was 13, when I was 10,13, I didn't even want any
clothes.
I wanted toys and I just wantedstuff that I can play with, so

(09:08):
I can play with them outsidewith my friends.
Now, kids they don't want that.
They want phones.
They want, like all this stuffthat I don't want.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
How long was you when ?

Speaker 2 (09:15):
you got your first phone.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
I was 13, but I was 13,.
But I went through a littlelike phase where I was bad I'm
not gonna lie, I don't know in2016 I had gotten my first phone
and that kind of messedeverything up with that, because

(09:42):
I took advantage of it and Iwas also like open to like
unlimited internet access when Iwas a kid.
And I did this thing in 2016,when the whole clown era was
going on.
I'm gonna expose myself rightnow, because this was bad.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Okay, talk to me.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
So in 2016, I was in eighth grade and I had gotten my
first phone.
So over the summer, you know, Iwas a little my little phone
and stuff like that.
And then In October I had madea clown account with my friend.
With my friend, and the clownaccount consisted of me and my

(10:17):
friend.
We were pretending to be like ascary clown that was gonna come
to my school and I was inmiddle school, I was in eighth
grade.
So I had a pretending I wasgonna come to the school and it
was a big thing.
And I remember I had a Samsung.
I had one of the Samsung, aSamsung Note with like a little
pen inside of it.
So I had had that and I stillwent outside.
At this time I was literallylike 13 years old.

(10:38):
So after that I had to do.
I had made the account.
I had stood home from schoolthat day too, so I was there
like all day.
So once my mom had came homeand I was done with she had came
home, whatever I had wentoutside with my friends.
So I left my phone inside thehouse with my mom and I had went
outside with my friends and Icame back inside of their house
around like eight o'clock.
Once I had came inside thehouse, that account was deleted.

(11:01):
People were blowing on my phonetalking about they're gonna call
the cops on me.
They had found out it was mebecause it was my friend, one of
my friends.
She had told one of her friendsthat it was me and the friend
that she told her mom.
And then her mom was like I'mgonna call the cops.
This is not okay.
So she called the cops.
She had complained to them ortold them that this is going on,

(11:21):
so that we do.
My friend Amelia, she was alsoinvolved with it.
Oh yeah, she had been involvedwith it.
She had deleted the accountwhen she was afraid.
And then, yeah, and then thenext morning I was kind of, I
was scared the whole day.
The next morning I went to mymom's room.
I was crying, telling my mom oh, my God, I can't go to school,

(11:43):
I'm so scared.
So then after that she had toldme like no, you gotta go to
school.
She's like I don't know whatyou're talking about, because I
didn't tell her at the time Iwas scared I was not telling her
.
So she was like you gotta go toschool.
And I was like, all right, so Iwent to school.
I was scared.
My best friend, she was therethe whole time with me.
She was in my neighborhood, soshe was on the bus with me.
She had went into school withme.
Tell me that I'll be going toschool and I go straight to the

(12:05):
guidance counselor because I'mscared, I don't know what to do.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
I'm anxious.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
So we go to the guidance counselor and there's a
girl in there and she's crying.
She's crying, she's crying andmy friend it's her friend.
She's like why are you crying?
She's like, are you okay?
Like what's going on?
She's like I'm scared of theclown.
I'm scared of the clown.
The clowns are going to come tothe school.
Mind you, I'm the clown behindthe account and I'm sitting
there and I kind of turn.
I'm so crying, I kind of turnand I just start laughing

(12:31):
because I just know that it's meand I feel bad.
But like I start crying, Istart laughing and I start
crying more because I'm like,damn, like people are really
scared of this.
And then eventually, after that, I had gotten suspended for, I
think, like a week or so, forthat.
Yeah, I got suspended, I had togo to court, I had community

(12:53):
service and I had to.
Yeah, basically for that.
And, mind you, I live in areally like white kind of like
town, so it's like a reallysmall town, but after that,
where I was going with the storywas after that, when I went
home, my mom found out.
She was pissed, she was so mad,she made me smash my phone with
the hammer and I didn't have aphone for two years after that,

(13:17):
for two years after that, and Iwas 13.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
So let me ask you a couple of questions based off of
this information you just gaveme.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
Good.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
What happened to Amelia with that situation?

Speaker 3 (13:32):
She didn't live in Ogletuck.
She had lived in Ogletuckbefore, but then she had moved
to Bridgeport.
Our beginning of eighth gradeyear that was in October, I
think it was like in the summer.
I don't think she startedeighth grade with us, did she?

Speaker 2 (13:43):
get in trouble?
No, you held it down.
Did you tell her?

Speaker 3 (13:46):
No, all right, I told her that was my friend.
I didn't say her name, Ifucking I said her name.
I don't think she's gonna care,she's probably gonna see this,
but Um, but yeah, she's, I heldit down for her.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
That's what's up.
That's a good friend, of course.
Okay, next question Were youlabeled after behaving like that
on the internet?

Speaker 3 (14:09):
On the internet, not really on the internet.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Were you labeled as an individual Like?
Were people like oh, that's thecrazy clown girl.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
Oh, yeah, oh, to this day, to this day, to this day,
One of my, one of my goodfriends she had just texted me a
couple of days ago cause, likewe, I like with my friends, like
I don't really have to talk tothem that often, so I kind of
just like keep in contact withthem sometimes.
But I had texted her on snapand she had said something and
she was like she's like I missyou, she's like I miss you,
clown girl, and I was like Ican't.
So to this day, like peoplestill like they still mentioned,

(14:39):
they still mentioned it and oneof my good, one of my good
friends he's my coworker now.
I had worked with him at Duncanand I had worked with him.
I still work with him now atthe Y.
His first impression of me waslook, was cause the clown the
clown.
The clown name was Jackson, soit was called Jackson the clown.
So he calls me Jackson fromtime to time and I'll be like oh
my goodness.

(14:59):
But his impression of me wasJackson and he, when I first
started working, when he firststarted working at Duncan with
me, he was like that's the clowngirl.
He was like that's Jackson theclown.
And I was like, oh my God, andhe told me that and I was
laughing cause it's just funny,cause it's just like it's stuff
sticks with you and it's likeit's like you know it's a
negative thing, but like that'snot all of me, cause people
obviously were in eighth grade,people have done like crazy or

(15:21):
shit, so it's not like anythinglike terrible, but I mean it was
pretty scary in the moment, butlike I'm not mad that that was
kind of the thing that I wasknown for, if that makes sense.
But yeah, that's my little,that's my little background
story.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
Interesting, interesting.
So has that affected yourdating at all?

Speaker 3 (15:45):
I don't know, I never really dated when I was in,
when I was at my high school,like that.
I was kind of known as likecause, like I was kind of known
as like the funny friend.
Like I never really datednobody in like in like my high
school and nobody really likeappealed to me except for my ex.
But that was before I was.
A couple of days before COVID Imet him.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
That was your first.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
My first, not my first boyfriend at that school,
but kind of like.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Like your first love.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
Yeah, my first love, okay, yeah, and I'm still kind
of involved with him now.
But yeah, but at the school, myfriend-.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Still kind of involved with him now.
Let's stop right there.
What does that mean In today'sday and age?
What does that mean?

Speaker 3 (16:29):
Okay.
So we had gone through a littlebreakup, just due to just due
to some some things that Ipersonally felt as though I
didn't feel like I was gettingdessert to be treated.
So I ended things, but I endedthings.
But you know, he's showing methat he's changing and that he
is able to change, because whatI wanted him to do was I just

(16:50):
wanted him to change the way hewas like like involved with me,
like if he was like the way thathe was treating me like we were
together for two years.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
So-.
So how was he treating you thatyou didn't like?

Speaker 3 (17:03):
He was just doing things like it was just.
He was just doing things like Ididn't know his family like
that and stuff like that.
So it kind of just bothered me.
And then you know just somedifferences and that, and you
know he just it's just little,just like little differences
that I feel as though could havebeen fixed.
But, I kept telling him and Ikept like repeating over and

(17:25):
over and I kept letting him knowlike hey, like these are some
things that I want you to fix,and it wasn't really getting
fixed in you know time's orderand like things kept getting
repeated, like arguments keptgetting repeated over and over
again and I kind of was justtired of it.
So, you know, I was like Ican't do this anymore.
You know, don't think this isgonna work out.
No, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Was he secure yeah like sweating me secure.
Like only Was he secure withhimself, like did he give you
issues with jealousy?
Uh, not really dealing withother guys, like having male
friends?
No, I don't know, not like that.
No, you're telling you, youyou're going out too much,

(18:07):
staying out to play things likethat.
No, never like that.
So it was Just past it was likepast issues.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
Like past issues because we had dealt with, we
had dealt with each other before, we had had some history before
and it was kind of like thingsthat were coming up from the
past coming up into our currentRelationship, yeah, and it was
kind of affecting yourrelationship a lot and we had
never really settled like thoseissues that we had and like the
past and stuff like that as well.
Even though I felt like we hadsome of it and stuff like that,
he didn't feel as though it waskind of settled and that was

(18:38):
affecting us because it keptgetting constantly brought up
and brought up, and brought Upand that got tiring on my end.
So I kind of was like I don'twant to do this anymore.
I like we keep arguing aboutthe same shit.
So it's like why would Icontinue to argue about the same
shit from the past if You'renot willing to accept it,
willing to, like you know, moveforward from it?
Like he wasn't trying to moveforward from it.
So that kind of effectiverelationship a lot, and like his

(19:00):
insecurities and stuff likethat, I feel as though gotten
the way as well and you know Igot tired of it.
So, yeah, I had broken up withhim and I had done, you know,
some things.
Whatever, I had tried to get toknow other people and stuff
like that.
But did you?

Speaker 2 (19:16):
fuck anyone else.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
No, okay, of course not.
No, I didn't know, I don't like, I'm not, I'm not into that
anymore, like until like justlike one night.
Sandra, I do are giving my bodyto anybody like that, because
it's just like there's no pointlike You're only 20.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
What do you mean?

Speaker 3 (19:32):
I had a little like when I was a whole phase, not a
whole phase, just like a littlelike phase.
I was young, I was 18.
So I kind of was, like you know, being fresh.
Okay but I feel like I don'tknow now.
We all go through it.
But I feel like one too,because I was, I was considered
like not the ugly friend, but Iwas considered like I was a
little heavier set when I wasyounger, when I was like in high

(19:53):
school and like in eighth gradeso like that.
So I kind of gained a lot andmore confidence once I did lose
weight.
So I feel like I acted out onthat when I was 18.
So you know, but that's not meand I never wanted to.
I was never gonna have sexanybody else, because these two
generations is so like I don'tknow if I, my age group, like
this generation of men is justso disgusting and it's so weird

(20:17):
and it's just everybody's so sexto the guy that you're dealing
with now.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
Is that your man?
Yeah, that's your man.
Yeah, cuz when I asked youbefore if you single, you said
yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
I am, but that's my man, though, looking back
together.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Is he single?

Speaker 3 (20:33):
Yeah well, both single, we're in like a dating
phase, like we're in like the inthe dating phase I'm boating to
you but it's okay.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
dating to me Is dating multiple people and
dating in general is Dealingwith whoever getting to know
people.
There's no exclusivity.
I know there's no.
I'm your nigga, you're my bitch, or anything like that.
If we're dating, I could beDating you and we could fuck

(21:02):
tonight, yeah, and I could go tobreakfast With somebody else,
somebody else tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
See, that's how I feel about dating, dating, okay,
dating to me is kind of thesame way, because I explained
this to him before too, becauseI had told him like we were
going through like differentphases, and Like I told him I
was like I'm in my dating phase,like I'm talking to like
multiple people, I'm talking toeveryone just see who fits you
best.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yes, that's what I was the most appropriate for you
.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
Yeah, that's what I feel your personality.
Yes, that's what I feel likedating is.
That's what I feel as thoughdating is.
But for right now, what I amdoing with him is I'm
exclusively dating him, and himonly.
So I'm not talking to anybodyelse and I'm only exclusively
seeing him, just because I knowthat in the future, in whatever
future, cuz you know, maybe inthe next couple months or in the

(21:48):
next couple weeks, the coupledays, I know that there's a
possibility of him asking me tobe his girlfriend.
So I'm not gonna, you know,disrespect the relationship that
I'm going to have going forwardwith him.
So I'm not gonna talk to otherpeople as well.
So we both came to theconclusion.
We both came to the idea thatwe're both exclusively dating
each other, and each other onlyso.
But dating to me is like dating, like you can date.

(22:08):
You can date whoever fits intoyour personality, which I feel
as though is dating.
But right now, I'm exclusivelydating him.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
Okay, so he's exclusively dating me.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
Only, y'all agreed to yes, we both agreed to that.
No, we're not gonna, and Itrust him, and you know I trust
him and we talk about it a lotand I'm actually seeing him
after this.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
So, yeah, but that's what I feel you're changing that
and saying y'all areexclusively dating Kind of
eliminates my questions now,because y'all have that
agreement, y'all have thatexclusivity, yeah, so it's kind
of like y'all y'all already in arelationship, pretty much kind
of yeah.
And it's somebody that you'vebeen dealing with for a while,

(22:51):
for a while.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
Yeah, I've, just it's about to be.
Since I've known him, it'sabout to be four years since
before COVID even happened.
So like March, like 10th, I met.
Do you have kids?
No, I don't know.
Do you want kids?
Yeah, eventually.
Does he have kids?

Speaker 2 (23:04):
No, he's in school, we're both in school.
Okay, so let's say,hypothetically speaking, you
ended up pregnant.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
Hmm.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
What are you gonna do ?

Speaker 3 (23:17):
Get an abortion.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Okay, so you're team abortion.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
Yeah, I'm tea.
I'm pro choice.
I'm team pro choice.
Whatever you want to do, it'syour body, is your body, your
choice.
If you want to keep it, keep it, go ahead.
We do what you gotta do.
But if you want to have anabortion, I'm not gonna be
against it.
I'm not gonna tell you to dootherwise.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
It's not my body, it's your body, all right so I
have a question good posted andI want to ask you, and I want
you to be honest with me.
I don't want you to lie to me,mm-hmm, because nine out of ten
girls are gonna look at me andLie right to my face when I
asked him this question.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
Oh, I don't got nothing alive about.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
You've been with your nigga five years yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
Oh, you're doing hi, you're doing the hypotheticals
Come on, come on, all right.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
He's been flawless.
You've been happy.
Y'all are engaged.
You met his entire family.
He has his master's in finance.
He makes a hundred and fiftythousand dollars a year.
He always spends a big bag onyou.
He bought you a car.
He buys you jewelry.
He treats you well.
He's respectful.

(24:22):
You live in his home.
You drive his cars.
Life is good, okay, life isgreat, okay.
So what's?
So?
What's?
He took you From whateversituation you was in and brought
you to where you're at now.
Okay, one night he comes home.
He tells you he made a mistake.
Mm-hmm, it was only once.

(24:43):
It'll never happen again.
No, he cheated on you.
Oh, she's pregnant.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
What happens next if this is your story, jasmine?

Speaker 3 (24:53):
what happens next is I'm leaving.
I'm not saying I told you whatI, what I left when I was
getting tolerated, when I wasliterally no ties, no, nothing
attached, whatever, even ifthere was.
I'm out.
I'm leaving because if somebodycheats on you, they don't
respect you, they'redisrespecting you.
It's not that they don't loveyou, it's that they don't
respect you.
Because stop right there, no,go, because what?

Speaker 2 (25:17):
does?
I'm gonna insert myself intothe situation as if this was us.
What does me cheating, whatdoes me Stepping out with this
woman have?
How does that disrespectful toyou, how am I disrespecting you?

Speaker 3 (25:34):
because if you know that you have a good woman at
home, let's say that I'm a goodwoman that is both equal, like
we're both equally good to eachother and we're both treating
each other the way you know.
We want to be treating stufflike that.
So let's say if you have a goodwoman at home, if you have
somebody who's good to you athome, you're going out and
you're disrespecting them bygoing to find somebody else and
going to sleep with somebodyelse.
You have somebody at home whoyou can go and sleep it and

(25:55):
you're going to go, not a goingand finding somebody else
situation.
So what kind of?

Speaker 2 (26:00):
situation is what if it's a situation where it's
presented to you?

Speaker 3 (26:03):
Like what do you mean ?
Presented to you, likesomebody's like throwing ass at
you and you're just like why areyou catching it?
Why are you going out of yourway?
And you're going out of yourway to go catch that shit.
Why, what's up with that?
Are you going out of your wayif you know you have somebody at
home who you truly love, whoyou care about, who you want,
but literally get married to thefact that you're engaged?
You're buying them everything.
You're cheating.
I'm so right.
How are you gonna go out?
And just because somebody'sthrowing, that's what somebody I

(26:25):
don't want to, I don't want tobe with.
That's superficial.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yeah, I've been together so well five years so
what, I don't care.
This is his first time, so what?
Making this mistake?

Speaker 3 (26:33):
That's not a mistake.
That's not a mistake.
That's not a mistake that I'mgonna stick by.
I'm not gonna stick around forthat's a mistake that you choose
to do.
You chose to do that.
I'm not gonna stick around forthat.
You didn't do that out of like,oh, like, oh.
I'm just, oh, I'm just beingsilly one night and I'm just, oh
, my god, she just came on meall the time that we ended up
having sex.

(26:54):
No, you chose to have sex.
You chose to put in the kind of, regardless or not.
You chose to do that.
So why would I stick around forsomebody who is gonna be
Blinded by superficialness, likeI don't care if she does
throwing acid, you and you'recatching that shit in the club,
whatever, that is stillsomething that is superficial
and it's I don't.
I don't fuck with that.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Okay.
So, with that being said, soyou're telling me you're gonna
walk away from this situation?
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (27:21):
I don't care how good and you're gonna go back home.
Yeah, I don't care, I will goback home and you're gonna get a
job.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
Yeah, but in this, and you're gonna pay for that,
you're gonna pay off the rest ofthe car notes and stuff like
that.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
I'm not taking the cars.
You can keep the car.
I'm not taking the car.
You can keep it.
Anything that's associated withsomebody who did not respect me
, I'm not keeping it.
I'm sorry.
You can take the car.
You can take the housing.
You take the jewelry.
You take all that because noneof that stuff really matters to
me.
You're not lying to me rightnow.
I'm not lying.
Why would I lie?
I have nothing to live away from, yes, luxury yes, and go back
to Because if this is a realsituation, if this is a real

(27:57):
scenario, I would have my ownstuff on my own.
If I'm being honest with you,yeah, if I mean if this is a
real situation, if this is likea real, like scenario that I was
put into, I would not beDepending on a man for my money
and for my happiness and for mystuff, because that's not the
type of person I am.
I'm the person I like to have myown stuff on the side, just in
case some shit like that couldactually happen in Like real, in
real life.
Like I'm not gonna depend onsomebody else because I know

(28:21):
that anything can happen, thatpeople can just like Fuck
something up and that like Idon't, I won't have that one day
, no matter what.
So I know, like that's thatperson I am, like I'm gonna have
my own stuff on the side, nomatter if it's like in your face
or not, no matter if you knowor not, I'm always gonna have my
own stuff on the side, likemoney, like my own car, like my
own place to stay and stuff likethat.

(28:41):
Like I'm always gonna have thaton the side before I can put my
dependency on one person,because I'm all I got at the end
Of the day you can establishyourself.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Of course I am mad at you.
Of course I am mad at you.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
Of course I gotta have this you gotta have this
mindset, especially in this dayand age, when people would do
stuff like that and they would,god Forbid she on you like that.
Oh no, you gotta, you gotta,you gotta.
Stay on 10 toes all the time.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Okay, I like that, thanks.
Let me ask you this, this youhave these two men right here,
oh God, oh God.
Option a, which is thisgentleman?
I don't know if you have a type, but this is just the type that

(29:26):
he's depict is that money bagYo.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
Yes, I hate money bag Yo.
Oh my god, I fucking hate him.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
All right, we'll get into that.
So option a is a Money bag, yo,but this is who he depicted to
be okay, yeah, no, some fakemoney bag.
He's a trapper.
He makes 1.5 a year.
Before you lost him.
A trapper, sorry.
He makes 1.5 a year.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
I don't care, you lost me with traffic.
I don't care you lost me withthat.
He has four kids.
What the fuck?
Okay, keep going.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
Sorry, bm.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
He has two houses, three cars.
I wish they could see my face.
He caught multiple domesticviolence cases.
Are you serious?
And he's known for beingabusive to women, but he's a big
spender.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
Who the fuck cares?

Speaker 2 (30:16):
I don't care you drop a bag on your do-k-your rent
for six months at a time.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
While he's beating me .
What do I look like?
What is?
What is a movie that's likethat?
Oh my god.
Oh my god.
So Tyler Perry movie.
What do I look like?
Sick?
Wait a minute, that's gonnabeat me and he's gonna pay my
bills.
I don't fuck about that shit.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Okay, I ain't mad at you.
Then you got option B.
Is it engineer Mark Zuckerberg?
What he's depicted to be 120 Ka year, no kids lives with his
best friend in the two bedroomapartment, saving money.
He drives a 2013 Toyota Corolladriver 2008.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
Come on now.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
He loves to play computer games and be isolated.
He will not spend money on you,but he will be respectful,
courteous and very affectionate.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
Give me the Mark Zuckerberg out of this.
I'm not dealing with no onewho's gonna be beating people
and doing that.
Okay, be a woman and shit.
No, hell, no, we're not doingthat.
So I'd rather get the.
I see, that's my type, like Ilike.
Like, like a quiet, reservedman who's not really like out
there, like that, who couldn'ttreat me well, I'm not.

(31:24):
No crazy, crazy man will be inthe streets as dangerous.
Don't like that.
So Street leaders don't turn youon hell, no, they turn me off
all the way off, like all theway off, okay, all the way.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Okay, when do you plan on Taking things to the
next level with this, this guy?
You want to name him.
You want to put it out there.
I'm not putting out there.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
Okay, no, I'm not putting it out there, Not yet,
not yet.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
No, not yet.
He's not worthy of beingannounced.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
He is, but I don't.
I'm scared.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
What are you scared of?

Speaker 3 (32:02):
I don't know.
Put it out there, because whenyou put your business out there,
one people know who you'rereally dealing with.
That's when people start tohate and they start to to get
you know, resentment and likeweird, like stuff.
Like you know he's not reallyinto nothing, like he's, he's
very smart, he's a very smartkid or man.
Sorry, he's a very smart manand you know people.
He don't really get involved ina lot of drama and stuff like

(32:23):
that and not a lot of peopleknow him from my time and stuff
like that.
And I'm not worried aboutanybody like out to get him or
anything like that.
I just don't like people beingin my business, if that makes
sense.
Like knowing who I'm likedealing with and stuff like that
, cause it's like people willresign, people start to hate,
and it's weird For sure, it'smad, weird For sure.
But will you can ask me?

Speaker 2 (32:45):
Do you uh?
Oh, what do you see?
What do you see, like, what'sthe next step?
Yeah, what's your next step?

Speaker 3 (32:49):
Next step honestly is he is gonna become.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
And when do you see that next step being taken?

Speaker 3 (32:55):
Next step that I feel as though is eventually maybe
moving in, but this won't be inlike no recent like, in no like
recent time, like this, is notlike anytime soon.
This is kind of like in thenext like five, five to seven
years ish.
Because he's going to lawschool.
He's gonna become a lawyer.
So he's in school now and he'sgonna graduate next year, in

(33:19):
2024.
So he's gonna become a lawyer.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
He's gonna law school .
A lawyer does he aspire to be?

Speaker 3 (33:25):
Uh, ip attorney, IP attorney, yeah, so he wanna work
to like.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Intellectual property .

Speaker 3 (33:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Right.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
Yeah, so he wants to do that and you know I wanna be.
You know I wanna first, beforeI even like get into anything
like with kids and like movingthis and like that, I wanna get
my career settled.
I wanna make money and be in afinancial stability.
I get a place of financialstability so that I can support
me and I can support my goalsand like my future goals and

(33:54):
stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Do you and this gentleman believe in traditional
roles or non-traditional roles,like how is that going?

Speaker 3 (34:02):
We haven't really talked about that.
From being honest with you,yeah, like non-traditional
traditional roles, like thetraditional roles of like well,
like I have to stay home, likecooking, cleaning and stuff like
that, and like yeah, you know,like you, yeah, you cook and
clean and do the laundry andstuff like that and help man the
fort, hold down the crib, getthe bills.
Yeah, we talked about that.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
He provides security and protection.
Yeah, we've talked about thatIn the man of the house Are
those roles that y'all bothagree with?

Speaker 3 (34:31):
We did yeah, we agreed on also, like he can also
take on some of those roles,cause I'm pretty sure, like not
to diagnose anything like that,but he has like some forms, like
maybe like OCD or like he'slike very clean.
So, like you know, I feel likewe both can take on some of
those roles, like he said, likesometimes, like you know, maybe,
like you know like I'll cookand like he'll do the dishes
type thing, like you know, likestuff like that Because that's

(34:52):
what I feel like, that's whatlike in my family, like that's
what some of he hasn't met myuncle or something like that but
that's what my uncle believesin, like what he does with his
wife and stuff like that, andthey've been married for like 35
years, like they've beenmarried for like a really long
time.
Like she'll cook and she'll dolike a lot of like the cooking,
like for Christmas or somethinglike that, even for, like you
know, like regular, like they'lljust make a meal, like she'll
cook and stuff like that and wholike wash your dishes and like
clean up the kitchen like afterher and stuff like that and make

(35:13):
sure like she's good, likehe'll help set up the table and
like he'll do like little thingsaround the house.
So I don't like we don't like100% believe in like traditional
, like a hard, like oh, you haveto be cooking and cleaning and
then I have to be like stufflike that.
But there is like compromise andstuff like that within, like
the relationship, which I feelas though every relationship
needs, because you know youcan't really have one person do

(35:34):
like everything, like you can'tlike, you know, not just so she
may be doing that too, so shemay be having a seem like people
need to do, like one genderneeds to be doing one thing, or
like another gender needs to bedoing another thing and like
needs to be strict on like theselike gender social, like roles
and stuff like that, and I don'tknow I don't know.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
All right, I have another question.
I just thought of this one too.
Good, let's say, let's call himJohn.
Okay, his name is John.
Now, for the remainder of thisepisode, let's say you and John
are good.
Same situation, right?

Speaker 3 (36:10):
Right.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
And he had the intention of cheating on you.
He's talking to somebody thathave a back and forth
conversation and he he makes anattempt, he tries to be

(36:34):
inappropriate with a lady andshe calls him on it and then she
notifies you.
Now how does that situationdifferentiate from the last
situation where he was actuallyable to penetrate a female and
physically cheat on you?
Now that he didn't cheat on you, now that it didn't go that far

(36:56):
, does he still have a chance?

Speaker 3 (36:59):
No, because you're giving other people the
opportunity to you and you'retrying to get with other people
while you're trying to also getwith me, and I mean that's a
situation where it's liketalking that we're because we
both expect our exclusivelydating.
So it's like the fact thatyou're going out of your way and

(37:19):
you're talking to other people,knowing that we're exclusively
dating, is kind of just like whyare you doing that?
That's the disrespect.
Yeah, that's disrespectful,because it's like we both agree
to something, so why are yougoing to go out of your way to
go and disrespect what we bothagreed on?
So it's like, why would you dothat?
And that's kind of just like Iwould cut it off.
I'd be like, no, because if youknow, because I got through it,
we were to get into arelationship.

(37:40):
Like what would you do if wewere in a relationship and I was
to find that out?
And you would do the same thing, like you know what I'm saying.
So why would I get hurt,knowing and put myself in a
situation where I know I couldpossibly get hurt?

Speaker 2 (37:49):
There would be nothing he could do to rectify
that.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
I mean with time, like if he was, I would end it
off right there and theneventually like he'd have to
show me like he's actually likeserious about, like pursuing me
and stuff like that.
And how would you do that?
By talking to just me and tojust doing it over again and
just trying to do it over andnot talk to other people while

(38:13):
he's talking to me.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Okay, so it's like you know, and how can he show
you that he's not talking toother people while he's talking
to you?

Speaker 3 (38:20):
That's a good question.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
How can you show?

Speaker 3 (38:24):
that.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
Cause you're always gonna have that in the back of
your mind, that he's textingsomeone.
Or when his phone rings, you'regonna think that's another
bitch texting him, or somethinglike that.
So how could he comfort you andlet you know Reassurance?

Speaker 3 (38:36):
I guess I'm only talking to you.
Reassurance, I guess Like hecan reassure me and he can like
action through a lot of themwords.
Okay, so he can like show meand like he can like cause, like
you know, like in your feeling.
I don't know, women's intuitionis like everything, yeah.
Women's intuition is everything.
So like you can kind of knowwhen somebody is like doing dirt
, like if somebody is likeactually like playing you and

(38:57):
stuff like that, and you canjust know from like the way that
they're speaking to you, theway they're treating you Like if
they're not taking you out ondates, if they're not actually
like being like a 100% about newand like what I mean.
But 100% is like taking more onlike dates and like actually
like they're saying like theywant to see you, like they
actually want to see you, likethey actually wanna have like a
conversation to do.
Like if they're just coming tosee you and it's like night time

(39:18):
and like you already know whattype like of it's like nighttime
and they're not actually liketrying to have a good
conversation with you andthey're just trying to like like
just getting your pants, thenyou know.
But just by actions, likeactions speak a lot, a lot of
them words, and you'll know if aman truly likes you or not.
Like I don't know.
I don't know how to explain it,cause you'll just know, yeah,

(39:39):
you'll just know.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
Yeah, you'll definitely know.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
You will by the way that they treat you, by the way
that they talk to you, by theway they talk about you, like
you.
Just you'll know.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
All right, I seen something on Facebook earlier
and it really boiled my blood,so I wanna get your opinion on
this.
I'm gonna read it to you so ourlisteners could hear it and
they could weigh in as well.
Okay, mm-hmm, this is a postfrom Angie Dorrette.

(40:13):
Hopefully I said her name right.
Good morning everybody.
I want all y'all input intothis situation.
December 6th I was at workminding my business 15 minutes
before I leave to go get thekids from school program.
I got a call from right at theschool saying hey, angie.

(40:34):
I'm like hey.
She said Naima went to thebathroom, naima's, angie's
daughter.
She went to the bathroom withGrant and came out with no pants
.
On what I was like whathappened?
She sounded irritated on thephone, so I hung up and got in
my car.
So when I got there, all herbosses were there and I'm like

(40:58):
first of all, why is a mantaking my female baby to the
bathroom?

Speaker 3 (41:04):
How old is?

Speaker 2 (41:05):
her daughter Five years old?
What?
Five years old?
They told me that.
They told her that she wasbeing inappropriate.
No, because that man claims tobe non-binary.
What so she's like?
Listen to me, lady.
She's five years old.
She doesn't know any of theseterms.

(41:26):
She sees a man taking her tothe bathroom.
They kept going back and forthfor about 45 minutes no result.
They told her three differentstories.
She asked for a report.
This is what they gave her aweek later.
It's an incident report, aninjury report, and it says

(41:47):
listen to this, this girl wasfive years old.
No, bro.
It says Naima asked to use therestroom during program.
Grant was the educatormonitoring the bathroom breaks
at the time.
As Naima was walking into therestroom, she told Grant, I'm
going to make things hard foryou.
She proceeded into the restroomand a few minutes later she

(42:08):
walked out of the store onlywearing a shirt and her
underwear.
Grant directed her to put herpants back on.
She put her pants on and aftera few minutes, grant then asked
her to wash her hands and sherefused but cooperated after
several reminders.
As Grant and Naima were walkingback into the cafeteria, she

(42:29):
said to Grant I'm going to getyou fired.
Another right at the schoolstaff member sat Naima down and
asked her about the comments shemade towards Grant, and that
was the incident report.
I'm going to ask you for youropinion on that and then I'm
going to give you my take on it.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
First of all, non-binary or not.
Pronouns like that you knownon-binary or not why is the
baby coming out the bathroomwith no pants on?
Why are you allowing the babyto come out the bathroom with no
pants on?
Like I work with five-year-oldkids, like I work with kids who
are four, who are inkindergarten through fourth
grade.
Kids do not say I'm gonna makethings, I'm gonna get you fired,

(43:15):
I'm gonna make things hard foryou.
Kids do not say that.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Have you ever seen a five-year-old kid say anything
like that?

Speaker 3 (43:20):
No, they don't even know how to form sentences like
that, for they don't even knowhow to say they don't even.
Oh my god.
No, I know a lot offive-year-olds that speak very
well yeah.
I know a lot of five-year-oldsthat speak very well, but they
don't even know what that likewhat getting fired means.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
Like they don't know what like they don't know that's
a job they don't know that it'sa.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
They don't even know that.
I'm like that when I tell them,they're like, oh, like, they're
like what are you doing here?
And I'm like this is my job, Iwork here, and they're like what
do you mean?
Like even to the second graders, the second and third graders
they don't even like, they'renot even like comprehending it
like that, because at that age,like psychologically, they don't
understand that people can havetwo different things.
Like that your teachers arelike they have two different
lives.
They don't understand.

(43:57):
I learned about that inpsychology.
They don't perceive it as, likeyou know, they can have like
two different lives untilthey're in, like fourth grade.
So it's like so they just thinkyou're in that college pretty
fast, they just think for yeah,for like the whole, for like,
yeah, they really do think that.
So when they see you like, like,like, they see their teacher,
like the store and somethinglike that, they're like what are
you doing here?
It's supposed to be at thatschool, you're not supposed to
be here.
They don't, they can't perceiveit.
So it's crazy.
That's like.

(44:17):
That's, that's weird.
No, that's weird.
No, I think something else isgoing on in the situation.
So I have a daughter.
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
And had I been the parent in that situation, I
would have went to jail.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
Yeah, because there's something else going on.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
Because no way Because I would have, at the age
of five, my daughter.
I would have asked her whathappened.
Yeah, what happened?
And why did you come out of thebathroom with no pants on Right
?
Whatever story she gives me,whatever story my daughter gave

(44:57):
me at that point I'm believingthat Would be gold.
Yeah, and that would be myreaction If she said something
inappropriate was done.
Yep, I now have a felony chargeon my hands.
Yeah, because Grant, thenon-binary man in that situation
, or the non-binary person whowas born with a penis yeah, I

(45:25):
would put my hands on Grant.
Yeah, and that would be that.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Because that's unacceptable.
There's no reason afive-year-old should be coming
out of the bathroom.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
You shouldn't even be in the bathroom.
That's not what I was gonna say.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
You shouldn't even be doing that.
You could open the door.
Hey, go into that store.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
You can't.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Give me a shout when you're done.
Yeah, and I'll open the door,or just come back out when
you're done, but you steppingfoot into that bathroom, closing
the door like that's notallowed.
Is where it becomesinappropriate, is where yeah,
you're not even gonna it becomesincorrect.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
If you're even considering going in the
bathroom, that door should bewide open, wide open.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
You're not supposed to be doing that.
Where's the other-?
And there should be anotherstaff member.
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
First of all, there shouldn't be.
If your pronouns don't match ifyour pronouns don't match, that
should be eliminated.
Like there should be nonon-binary taking I disagree.
There should be no non-binarytaking a little girl to the
bathroom.
I disagree.
Or there should be no femaletaking a male kid to the

(46:36):
bathroom.
It should be male or male, andfemale or female.
And I think that's just myopinion, because once you have
the crossover, that's wherethings start to get weird And-.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
I mean I disagree on that part Just because of the
fact that we do have male andfemale staff at our location and
we're not allowed to haveone-on-one.
You're not even allowed to beby yourself with a kid.
We always just have another kidwith us to be going to the
bathroom and stuff like that.
So I feel as though I disagree.
Because if you are a male or afemale, people have parents and

(47:11):
uncles and stuff like that, likemom and dad and stuff like that
.
So the opposite gender can takeanother kid to the bathroom,
but being allowed inside thebathroom by themselves with the
kid, that should not be allowed.
That's when it starts to getinappropriate and that's when I
feel like that should not beallowed at all.
Because if it's a male stafftaking a female girl to about
two female girls to the bathroom, because you can't be alone
with a kid, so if it's liketaking them both to the bathroom

(47:32):
, like you gotta be outside thebathroom or you gotta like
boundaries, you gotta be havingboundaries with these kids.
You can't be alone, you can'ttake off their pants, even if to
the fact that, because I doagree with the certain extent of
having the gender stuff likethat, because if it is a
situation like, say the kid theygo to the bathroom, say the kid

(47:55):
that gets to the bathroom, like, say it's a male taking a
female to the bathroom and likeshe like pooped her pants, like
in that aspect, like you have toget a female staff to come so
that she can like help her, likewipe herself and like get her
cleaned up and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
That's where it should, that's where we just
want to see right there, becauseif there's any type of mishap
in the bathroom, he can't help.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
He can't help.
No, I'm saying he can't help.
I'm saying a female has to comeinto the bathroom and help the
girl.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
That's what I'm saying.
That's why I'm saying that itshould be same genders locked in
.
There should be no male evertaking a little girl to the
bathroom Because, let's say,she's in there and she pees on
her pants while she's pullingher panties down, or something
like that.
What can he, what help can heprovide in that situation?
Can he go grab paper towels andhelp clean her up?

(48:44):
No, that would be highlyinappropriate.
No, that would be.
Yeah, he should go to jail.
Yeah, that would be appropriate.
But if it's a female teacherand it's a little girl in there,
she could provide the attentionshe needs, she could help her
out, she could give her thepaper towel, she could tell her
what to do, she could guide her.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
Okay, what about if it's a female teacher and a boy
student?
Because I understand thatmothers can be mothers to boys
and girls.
So how would you feel if it wasin that?

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Same thing with that too, I would feel like that
would be a more acceptablesituation.
But just to set a standard, Ithink it should be same sex,
same sex.
Okay, just to set a standard.
So there's no discrepanciesLike, oh, women are more
psychologically secure and webelieve that the children would

(49:31):
be safer with them, so we'llallow women to cross over
genders.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
But men can't, because that doesn't make any
sense.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
That doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
It doesn't make any sense because men can be fathers
to women, to girls and boys.
Exactly so okay.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
So I think just to avoid all type of discrepancies,
it should be same sex genderwhenever any type of bathroom
situation is going, because ifmy daughter tells me a man took
her to the bathroom, I'm gonnahave a problem with that.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
Yeah and like because I don't know how different
rules are, like in a schoolsense and stuff like that,
because I don't know was thatlike at a preschool, like that
was like a daycare, like wherewas that at?

Speaker 2 (50:08):
Five years old.
I'm assuming it would be like aschool program with a daycare
program.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
Yeah, like cause I work at the daycare, I work at
the YMCA, I work at a before andafter school program, so just
in that sense, like the state isheavy on like making sure that
there's certain rules that areimplied.
Like, if you're gonna takesomebody to the bathroom, you're
gonna be alone with the kid.
You cannot be alone one-on-onewith that child, no matter if
it's a girl, no matter if it's aboy, no matter if it's a girl
boy staff, you cannot be alonewith the kid at any time at all.

(50:38):
So I don't know, that's justlike.
That situation is just really,really weird to me, because it's
like, why are you being?
Why are you taking a kid to thebathroom and going inside the
bathroom and the kid is comingout with no pants on?
That has never, no matter whatsituation, no matter if she
pooped her pants or she peed herpants or whatever.
There's no situation whereyou're supposed to have the kid
with no clothes on and you'rejust allowing it to happen.

(50:59):
Like, where was the other staffthat's going on with that?
Where's the other staff to makesure that the kid has an extra
pair of clothes?
Like where's the extra pair ofclothes?
Like, where's the clothes, evenat.
What did he do with the stufflike that.
So that situation is justreally weird to me and it's just
really like where did thathappen?

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Where did this happen ?
Let me see.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
Cause that's like really like weird and off, like
depending on Westie.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
I don't think, I don't think she revealed that in
the yeah, she didn't revealthat in the post.
Oh, hold on.
It says right at school, rightat school program, whatever that
is.
Right at school like right,like writing, or like right
Right, like left, right right atschool program.

(51:44):
That's the name of the program.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
No way.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Is that something familiar with you're familiar
with Hamden.

Speaker 3 (51:57):
CT.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
School Brookdale.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
School Brookdale.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Yeah, so the right at school program and the school
is Brookdale.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
Oh okay, what WA?
What's WA?
Illinois?
There's a bunch of programs,there's a bunch of them.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Any Brookdale school coming up.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
No.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
You're not looking right up there?

Speaker 2 (52:32):
Okay, well, yeah, that's where that took place.
That was, uh, I thought thatwas pretty interesting and, um,
yeah, that was something Iwanted to speak on Also, uh, Is
Wyoming South Tacoma.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
Why?
What is that Wyoming WA?

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Washington.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
Oh shit wow Wow.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
My best friend goes to Howard too.
How did I know?

Speaker 2 (53:00):
that.
Yeah, Now Howard's inWashington DC, that's.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
Washington State, that's.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
Washington State.
Yeah, so Washington State isall the way on the West Coast,
but okay, a CT drug kingpinsmuggle cocaine through mail in
Bluetooth speakers from PuertoRico.
What A waterberry man wassentenced to 17 years in federal
prison this week for heading adrug trafficking ring that used

(53:28):
Bluetooth speakers to smugglecocaine through the US mail.
Officials said what?
Pierre de Sean Rodriguez, alsoknown as OC, was also sentenced
by US District Judge Michael PShea in Harford to 210 months in
prison, followed by five yearsof supervised release.
According to the US Attorney'sOffice, the 42-year-old's

(53:51):
criminal history spans more than25 years and includes multiple
drug convictions.
Federal officials said In 2013,he was sentenced in state court
to 15 years in prison,suspended after 90 months, for
possession with intent to sell.
On August 18, 2022, rodriguezpleaded guilty to conspiracy to

(54:12):
distribute and possess withintent to distribute five
kilograms or more cocaine afteran investigation led by the US
Postal Inspection Service bulkcash trafficking task force
determined that he was running atrafficking operation.
Damn.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
So he's been doing this?
They just caught up to him.
Yeah, they just caught him.
Now he's been.
He probably still will do it inprison too.
He probably had people.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
So he's been doing that shit.
If you're looking for thembirds, they got them in water
burry.
No, I've been doing that, I'vebeen doing that Water burry is.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
oh my God, water burry is not real.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
That shit is different If you're looking for
them, birds, they got them inwater.
Burry man, that shit isdifferent.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
Water burry is different, different different.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
You following all of the blue-face and croissant
drama.
No, I don't care about that.
Yeah me neither.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
I don't care about that shit.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
I'm not really into croissant.
I don't like antics and stufflike that.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
I think it's all fake .
Sorry, I think it's all fake.
I think it's all just forpublicity.
I think it's all for people,just.
I think it's all for socialmedia.
Quite frankly, I think it's allfor money and for publicity so
they both can get big His babymama's involved with it.
This is a whole plot, this is awhole scheme that everybody
just get up and get money.
It's a circus.
It definitely is, and I thinkit's bad for the.

(55:38):
I think it's so bad because,like they're profiting from it,
but the youth and the peoplewho's watching is literally
getting like influenced from it.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
Do you listen to any of their music for show Hell no.
Jaden Blueface no.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
I don't care about none of that shit?

Speaker 2 (55:51):
No, hell, no, yeah.
I think just their music sucksanyways.
The quality of their music ispoor All of them.
What do you think about complexnaming Ski Yee by Sexy Red the
song of the year in 2023?

Speaker 3 (56:11):
I think it's a good song.
I think it's a bop, I thinkit's catchy, it's very out there
, but I think it's for adultsonly.
I think it's only an adult songbecause the like I'm saying,
the youth is getting influencedby all that, all that that Ski
Yee and all that shit like that.
You know, they get influencedby it and they're seeing it and
that's what they want to kind ofbe and I think it's a bad
influence.
But I think it's for the adultsonly and it's hard to kind of

(56:34):
keep it away because I've seenlike some videos on like TikToks
about like parents like playingthat around like their kids and
stuff like that and the kidslike knowing and it's like in
like the classroom, like I'veused to the videos about like
how it's like in the classroomsand like teachers are like
making songs like out of theremixes like stuff like from it
yeah, remixes and songs likethat.
Like I think that's likeinappropriate because it's
literally an adult song.

(56:55):
But it's hard to kind of likeget it away from the kids
because the kids are on TikTokand TikTok is a big influence, a
part of society and about allthat shit.
So it's like, you know, likeit's fucked up.
It's fucked up, but I thinkthat it's a good song.
It's a bop, I love it.
I love Sexy Red and myself I'mnot going to lie, her songs are
very catchy, but you know, Ithink it's an adult only song

(57:16):
and song of the year.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
Despite it being an adult only song, do you think it
was worthy of being the song ofthe year for 2023?
You have to consider all of thegreat artists out there, all of
the lyricists, all of theniggas.
That's really put in in pain.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
Yeah, no, I don't know, but I think it was the
most popular.
If it was like, I think theonly reason probably was the
song of the year was based onpopularity, because it was
played like that's all.
Like you go to the club, you goout, you go turn the radio.
That shit is on the radio.
I think it's only based onpopularity.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
That's definitely an interesting take and I could
actually agree with that becauseit was a very popular song.
It was mad popular, it wasliterally.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
So she was, she literally blew up this, like I
think it was this year she blewup, or like a little bit last
year she blew up, I think.
I think it definitely was asong of the year because of the
popularity.
But like song of the year, likelyrically and like you know,
like, like in terms of quality,in terms of quality, like, no, I
don't think it deserves some.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
Okay, there we go, I.
That was a take that I canactually agree on 100%.
Yeah, based on popularity, thatwould be the song of the year.
But based off of quality andlyricism is far from the song of
the year.
Far from talk to me aboutNikki's Nikki's album and how
you felt about it.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
I love Nicki Minaj and I honestly she has a few
good songs in there.
Like you know, they're reallycatchy and like you know, I
forgot what.
I.
Let me go look on my on mySpotify, because I know you want
to get into Spotify as well.
Sorry, what's the song calledBarbie dangerous?
Barbie dangerous that was a bopand she was doing it like she
was the lyricist and stuff likethat.

(58:51):
Like it was good, but honestlyit was not what I was expecting,
just because it was kind oflike sing songy wise and it also
sounded very like tiktok, likeit sounded like it was a lot of
samples.
It was a lot of like like fuckthis club.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
It sounded tiktok.
What does that mean?

Speaker 3 (59:05):
Tiktoks want to very sped up.
They use a lot of samples andthey're very like everybody's
attention spans.
People's attention spans aregetting shorter and shorter by
the day and I feel like the songthat she was using, the songs
that kind of blew up and becamelike kind of like really popular
on it were like very liketiktok-y songs, like they were
very like repetitive, like itwas like it was like what is the

(59:26):
song by Lil Uzi?
What is the song by Lil Uzi?
The one thing I forgot, what itwas called Just want to rock.
It was like it was like.
It was like just want to rock.
It was like a lot of like, justlike catchy, kind of like quick

(59:47):
songs.
You can just kind of like makea quick trend too, and that's
how I feel like like music hasbeen doing like a lot of the
times, like just like quick,kind of trendy songs.
So, I feel like her album isvery consistent of like, not not
the full thing, because shedoes, you know, have some good
songs on there, but like a lotof the songs that were on there
that became popular were kind oflike tiktok-y, like catchy,

(01:00:08):
like little, like trendy songs,and I feel like that's, that's
the music is becoming now,because tiktok is the biggest
thing.
How?

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
do you listen to your music?
How?
What do you mean?
How?
How do you listen to your music?

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
What platform?
Oh, spotify.
Why?
Because app music was takingaway too much storage on my
phone, because I keptdownloading music and it held a
lot of storage on my phone so Ihad to delete it and then my
phone, like it was like stoppedworking.
My phone like literally was notworking because like it took up
so much storage so I deleted itand I just went to Spotify.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
So that's actually a very good argument.

Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
Yeah, I don't have any beef with app music.
I have music for years beforethat.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
Okay, that's all right.
That's actually a very validreason, but it's not enough to
leave.
Yes, it is.
You could just stop downloadingthe music.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
No, because I don't have service in some spots and I
need that and I wanted to tryit out because I heard they had
the on.
So what?

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
about Spotify.
You don't have to download themusic, not really, no.
So what if you don't haveservice in spots?
It works.

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
Sometimes it works yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
But Apple, you're guaranteed it to work in those
spots.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
No, why not Because sometimes the song would not be
on there for like sometimes,when I would go like and I, even
if I had a song downloaded,like it would not work, and then
, like it was just not working,I'd be like what the hell?
And like I'd be like on likethe back roads, like going
somewhere, and like my songwould just stop playing and I'd
be like why is it stop playing?

(01:01:41):
And I would have it downloadedon my phone and then sometimes
it would delete the downloads onmy phone.
I'd have to read download,which is why I think it took up
so much storage, because itwould say that the songs are
downloaded and then, like, I goback and I'd have to like read
download the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
Was it that same device?
Yeah, it was the same phone.
I have this one for like threeyears, so let me tell you what
the issue is.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
Oh, it's the phone.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Now All of a sudden.

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
All of a sudden, it's my phone.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
Because I've had my phone for I don't know how long.
I'm not going to lie to you,but I have a lot of music on it.
How much storage you have.
Whatever was the lowest amountfor iPhone 13 mini.
How can you see?

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
You gotta go to like.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
Think you gotta go to your storage.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
Go to your house.

Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
Think you gotta go to General iPhone storage.
Wait, nope, not long.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
Alright, I don't know how to do this.
Either way, the lowest one.
I've had this for more than ayear, more than a year and a
half, and I download all mymusic and I never have any type
of problems with it like that.
See, I've been having problemsin my.
Which iPhone is that?

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
iPhone 12, which I don't like it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
Yes, Soundfuter upgrade baby.

Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
Yeah, no thanks, it's too much Too much.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
I ain't mad at you.
I ain't mad at you.
I'm gonna have my phone untilthe wheels fall off this bitch.
Yeah, that's what.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
I'm saying I have to move away, yeah, so, and the
newest ones are bad, and you too?

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
Alright, talk to me about 2024, what you have
planned, and also tell me aboutthe counseling service you was
telling me about.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
Oh the the mentorship program.
Oh, okay, okay.
So I find 2024 is the year ofme, the year of me.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
The year of Jasmine.
The year of Jasmine, jalenOrkene.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
And, like I say, I don't say this every.
I'm not glad I don't say thisevery year.
I'm going into this year with alot of different expectations.
I'm not gonna expect everythingto be perfect and to be 100%.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
You on your new year.
New year shit.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
Not really.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
I'm on my new year, new accomplishments to my goals.
So next year I told you I'mgonna do my dentistry program,
so I wanna get into a lot ofinternships.
I'm starting to look for moreinternships for dentistry and
any dental programs of like that, just so I can get into it.
And I wanna get into a lot moreopportunities and everything
like that.
This is a new opportunity forme.
This is my first time being ona podcast and being like I want

(01:04:32):
anything like that and trying tokind of like grow myself and
grow to know more people.
But I wanna know more peopleand I wanna network a lot more.
And I wanna get into networking.
I wanna probably maybe go intoreal estate, maybe get my real
estate license, get a newlicense, get a new something to
do so I can make more money.

(01:04:53):
Okay, and next year, hopefully,I pray inflation or something.
Something things get cheaper.
That's what I pray.
I pray things get cheaper.
I can tell you right now that'snot happening next year, I know
, but we can just pray.
We can just pray and bedelusional about that.
That's what I hope Don't prayand be delusional.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
False hope is good sometimes.
Don't prepare in yourself baby.

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
That's what I'm doing , though.
That's what I'm doing, thoughyou know the economy is on a
decline.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
I know, who are you voting for next year, Biden or
Trump?

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
Anybody, but is Vonda Sanchez going?

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
to Listen, man.
Fuck Vonda Sanchez and all thatSure.
He might be up, you never know,but Trump got it for 2024, man,
you sure I think Trump will getit.

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
I feel like both options, I feel like all options
are bad.
I feel like everything's doomed.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
We need somebody else we need somebody new.
You think Biden was a betterpresident than Trump?
Yeah, talk to me.

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
I mean, I'm not really into politics, though I
can tell you're not intopolitics because, he's a
president literally committingwar crimes.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
You really, yeah, you're not paying attention to
what's going on in Ukraine withRussia and everything that was
his fault.
Ukraine, Russia, Israel andPalestine.
He has a.
He's not doing great as apresident, but Trump was the

(01:06:25):
reason for COVID.
How can you say Trump was thereason for COVID?

Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
Because he fired all his.
What is it?
What is it called it's?
What is it called?
Coronavirus?

(01:06:49):
Was the pandemic, pandemic,control the pandemic, like the
people who could protect fromthe pandemics.
I forgot what it's called.
He fired them, like a couplemonths before COVID.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
Once the pandemic hit , that's when Trump started
putting on for niggas.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
He had to.
He had no other choice.
What else is he going to do?
Let the country suffer likethat?
He had to Because he fired heliterally fired the people in
control of that, so he had to dothat.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
Trump was way better president than Biden.
I'm too young to be doing this.
I feel like Trump is.
He'll be right back in 2024.
He might Just Palestine andIsrael's situation alone is like
I'm done with Biden.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
Feel me but shout out to Jasmine for pulling up
episode 16.
We had some great conversationand you could definitely look
forward to hearing more from herin 2024.
And us doing a lot more workfor her.
Let them know your Instagramone more time.

(01:08:02):
Jalene Ortiz, that's Ortiz,with a zero and it is live from
the motherfucking gutter.
Merry Christmas and Happy NewYear to all.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
Merry Christmas, happy New Year and talk to you
soon.