February 10, 2025 • 20 mins
Imagine the chaos when a mother's suspicions lead to devastating accusations, tearing apart her family and leaving a man fighting to prove his innocence. In this intense episode, we unravel the emotional and legal turmoil surrounding Courtland Lovelace, as he works tirelessly from behind bars to clear his name. Courtland claims he's an easy target due to his past and alleges that jealousy and external influences drove Lea to fabricate accusations against him. As he shares his side, highlighting evidence and witnesses that support his claims, we explore the complicated dynamics of trust and betrayal in the shadows of a tumultuous relationship.
On the flip side, we delve into the heart-wrenching journey of a mother caught between protecting her children and navigating the legal quagmire that ensues when her best friend is accused of child abuse. Discover the layers of complexity as she battles with past allegations and procedural delays, all while maintaining guardianship of her children. This episode underscores the critical importance of evidence, therapy, and clarity in the pursuit of justice, bringing into focus the relentless quest for closure and the hope for peace amidst the storm.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, I hear you .
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Yeah, what's up man, what's up you out there, you
ain't got reliable sources.
What's going on?
Speaker 1 (00:10):
You tell me, you tell me the story.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
What you want to hear .
Speaker 1 (00:18):
From start to finish, like are you guilty of what
you're in prison for?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
No, I'm not, that's one.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I believe that I was a great target because of my
past, and my past is my past.
That's something I had to dealwith, but when it came to Leah
and her kids, I've never eventhought about doing anything
like that.
I don't know what happened.
I don't know how the story gottogether.
Leah denied medical treatmentfor these kids numerous times.
I had that under my bed and Ialso have a statement from the
(00:56):
one I have 22 years for sayingthat I didn't do nothing to him.
But two weeks later he had awhole different story and I'm
also hearing.
There's a video out there withme just saying what she did was
wrong and she's scared to tellit to my family yeah, I heard
about the video too.
I'm not I'm not, I'm not.
(01:17):
I'm not here to.
I don't care who believes myside, but if you want a reliable
source, you can give me anaddress.
I can send you paperwork.
I ain't got no time.
I'm a grown-ass man.
I'm trying to go home.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Yeah, you're working on an appeal.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I direct the bill.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
And how's that looking for you?
Yeah, I'm aware of that as well.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I'm aware of that as well, so you're aware of that
and you don't post the rightthing.
Leah is a horrible person.
She could make up stories.
Whoever else can make upstories.
I did one thing in my life andI did my time and I told the
truth.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
All right, so you're saying Leah's flat out lying.
What do you think Leah'smotivation to lie is?
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Truthfully, I want to go with jealousy.
Leah was madly in love with me.
Leah wanted to marry her, allsorts of shit and I also believe
that Anthony, the dude she wasdealing with, played a big part
in this also.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Okay, so I asked Leah , I can't really tell you
anything Like Uh huh.
I asked Leah if she had Anytype of dealings with you and
she said no.
She made that clear.
Y'all never had any type ofromantic dealings.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
And if that's what she made clear, then I can't, I
gotta, I gotta Feel the love onmy mind.
I'm of romantic dealings, ifthat's what she mean.
I got to seal the line with mymom and I'm going to call right
back.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
All right bet.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Yeah, it's.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
But I'm going to be honest.
That explains why, when I saidto him, don't trust her because
people will turn on you, he wasso warm.
I don't say that, don't do that.
That's what that was about.
Their friendship was more thanwhat I thought it was.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yes, it sounds kind of complicated.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
This is all fucked up and she's never going to come
clean because she'll go to jail.
You're going to jail for that,for perjury yeah you want to
jail for it.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
She took the stand.
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Speaker 1 (04:21):
Hello, yeah, yeah, all right so yeah, like I said
Hello, yeah, alright.
So yeah, like I said, I wasasking her if y'all had romantic
dealings, and she made it cleary'all didn't.
I mean I could read themessages right here to you.
Hold on, yeah, you can readthem.
Yeah, so the first thing that Iasked her was it's not a funny
(04:49):
matter, I'm not about to makeyou look bad at all, but if I'm
not mistaken, you dealt withCourtland Lovelace and I'm
currently covering a story.
She said ew, no, the fuck, Ididn't.
That was my best friend.
We never had no relations atall.
If you're going to say stuff,please make sure it's facts.
So I'm asking you right now didyou have a physical or a
(05:11):
romantic relationship with her?
Yes, I did.
It took you a minute to answerthat.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Because I don't feel like that shit should be brought
up.
I really don't care about noneof that.
You know I was saying I wasyoung, that shit ain't.
I don't even think about thatshit yeah, but I mean.
Let her run with that.
I'm so clear.
What I care about is lettingthe world know I never touched
them kids.
I love them to death.
That's the only thing I careabout.
(05:47):
So by you posting what you'reposting, you should have got
facts first.
My family, my family, got a lotabout austin.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Anything you ask your mom, she's gonna tell you he
never asked us, courtland, he, I, I failed him and he never
asked us.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
But what I'm saying is he should have.
He should have reached out assomebody that got a podcast and
doing cases and stuff.
He should have reached out andseen what's the real?
Speaker 4 (06:14):
I keep telling y'all that people reach out to him.
That's how that happened.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
For sure.
I mean, it's not like I'mcanceling out you having your
side of the story.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Like if I didn't, if I didn't inbox him, people would
still assume, courtland, youknow everybody's so scared of
what you did in the past and nowvoicing their opinion about the
story of today.
You understand, courtland,that's what happened in court.
They were so busy trying tohide your past and wondering
where she got a story from likethat.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
That's where she got the story from and she made it
in depth my whole thing is ify'all was best friends and
everything was cool, where didthis come from and why would she
do that to you?
Why would she jeopardize yourlife like this?
Why would she play with yourlife like that?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Like I said in the top three.
You know, when I first gotlocked up, people had their own
little sides.
That was around her.
Jasmine told me that she heardit was Anthony and Jasmine told
me that she immediately hadgotten to it because she got
back with Anthony.
Anthony used to beat all herkids me and Anthony got into a
fight because my dad gave one ofmy parents, which was her
(07:43):
oldest son, and he had bruiseall over his body and I'm not
going to self-incriminate myself, but I was ready to off him and
he had something on Leah.
Leah had something on him.
So they just squashed therelationship and around the time
I got locked up they wound upgetting back together, me and
Fort, maybe like a week before Igot locked up over the quarter
on situation One day I'm workingat McDonald's.
(08:07):
She calls my phone.
She asks me to come babysit thekids.
I said I'm at the clock, I'llbe there in a second.
I get to the crib kids.
I set them up the clock, I'llbe there in a second.
I get to the crib.
The crib is spotless.
If people know, leah Leah'shouse is always dirty.
The crib was spotless and thepolice is in the house waiting
for me.
When they arrested me they askedme can we take this easy?
They'll tell me when we get tothe car what happened.
I get in the elevator.
(08:29):
I don't want to hear that.
I want to know what the fuckI'm in cuffs for.
The story was.
Ms Morales told us that youmade her kids do things to each
other.
That was one.
I get to the precinct, I'm downthere for about eight hours.
They come and question me nowif I did things to them.
My first thing to them get themtested.
(08:52):
Leah denied medical treatmenttwice that, three times that day
.
She only got medical treatmentbecause they threatened to take
away her kids.
She only received counselingbecause they threatened to take
away her kids.
So when the medical records gotbrought up, they tried to state
on the medical records thatthey can't tell.
If anything they there was nolacerations or nothing, nor can
(09:12):
they expect to be due to thetime frame.
They try to say it takes twoweeks for things like that to
hail.
Leah took her kids to thedoctors two weeks after I was
arrested.
Yeah, you can ask any parent inthe world.
If somebody's saying theirkid's molested, are you not
going to go get your kids testedto make sure they're okay?
You know what her answer was.
(09:34):
She didn't catch me doinganything to them.
That's just a little bit.
I could go for hours.
I don't have the time, but Icould go for hours.
So that's why I was kind oftight that it just got posted
like that without knowinganybody knowing what's really
going on.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah, well, I mean, yeah Well, I mean, what's being
posted is public information,nothing outside of public
information.
And then you have Leah's sideof the story, and then Elliot,
I'm sending you the video.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Somebody send it to me.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
What video is that?
Speaker 4 (10:09):
I guess the video, the conversation, what parts
that they had.
They don't have the fullconversation, but they have some
of the conversation With Poncethat they had.
They don't have the fullconversation, but they had some
of the conversation with thatguy.
Okay, yeah, send it to me, butI don't know who the guy is.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I don't know if Jazzy knew who the guy was.
I know he is Elliot.
Yeah, he doesn't want to bebrought up in this because Leah
threatened him with jail beforetoo.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
And who's the guy?
Quay from Park Hill?
Quay from Park Hill.
I'll look into him.
I'll definitely look into him.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Like I said, I don't really buy anything.
Get posted about me.
I'm not.
Words is words.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
He's just saying be fan yeah, I hear don't see my
passion thing.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Oh no, maybe he really did this.
No, I did it.
Innocent man sent to jail for27 years.
That's why I had the chance togo home and say, yeah, I did
this, but I didn't.
Because I didn't do it?
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
And also, I'm not in jail For my last three young
kids, alright.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Copy.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Yeah definitely fucking is going on in the world
.
But I should have known,because she knew what your penis
looked like, so I should haveknew.
I should have known she knewwhat the fuck your penis looked
like.
I should have knew I got aminute left.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
I love you.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
I'll call you tomorrow, okay all right, so,
elliot, I'll send.
I'll send you what I, when theperson sends it to me, I'll send
it to you.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
The caller has hung up yeah, text it right to me.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
I appreciate it.
You're welcome, all right.
Yeah, hello.
Yeah, all right, so we couldtalk now.
Okay, all right.
So what happened the day he gotarrested?
All?
Speaker 5 (12:43):
right.
So the day he got arrested,this is all.
Everything happens in one day,you understand.
I'm home with my kids he worksat McDonald's at the block.
I'm bathing them, you know,long story short, I catch them
in the tub and I'm asking them,like you know, I never got
caught having sex in front ofy'all.
So where did y'all learn thesethings from?
(13:20):
And them two wouldn't tell meso when, yeah, and he just
starts like a point this in hisprivate and the other two start
crying.
So now I'm like pasting in myhouse.
I'm like what the fuck?
I don't know what to do.
I don't know what to think.
I don't even know, like, how toreact to it.
So I call the police.
And In the midst of me callingthe police, I'm like fuck this,
he's about to come home.
I don't want them to see himagain.
(13:40):
If they're telling me this, youknow, yeah, I run outside, like
because I lived in West Brainat the time, and across the
street there's a pool.
There's always cops sittingthere.
So I ran to those cops and Iexplained to them what just
happened.
Whatever that, I just calledthe police.
But I had just spoke to him andhe said he was on his way home.
So now I'm panicking.
I'm like they need to hurry upand come, because he's about to
(14:00):
come home and they wait in thekitchen.
They're like we're going to justwait here for when he comes.
When he comes in, we're goingto just arrest him.
So when he comes in, I don'teven.
They told me, don't talk to him, don't say nothing to him at
all.
So I don't say nothing.
He's like oh, what's going on?
And as they walk out thekitchen they come, they arrest
him.
He's looking at me.
(14:21):
He's like Leah, leah, what.
He starts screaming, crying.
He's throwing himself on thefloor.
The cops are yelling at him getthe fuck up, get the fuck up.
He's just like what did I do?
Crying.
So now they walk him out to theelevator.
I stay in my house.
I hear him like banging.
I don't know if he's likehitting his head or like kicking
(14:44):
the door, but he's like Ididn't do nothing to them.
He's just crying, screamingthat he didn't do nothing to
them.
So now the kids are in thehouse.
They're crying.
It's just like a crazy-asssituation.
We get in the car, we go down toSafe Horizon, I'm in the office
.
We're having an interview.
They send them right.
Doctor.
I met with detectives, acsworkers, uh, sexual abuse
(15:07):
counselors.
All types of people are in thisoffice.
They ask me what happened.
I'm just explaining to them.
Like you know, my children saidthat this person did these
things to them I'm not sure what, so they they're questioning
them.
The doctor in the back takes,calls me and it takes me into
the room and explains to me likethey wasn't caught in an act of
anything.
So there's nothing visible.
It was in the tub, so we're notgonna find anything right now
(15:29):
yeah the only medical records.
There was never no denying of nomedical records.
I didn't wait two weeks to takemy kids to the hospital.
That is a lie okay okay, andthen after that, after that,
like because Corona came, so thecase dragged out for so long,
yeah.
So we had to wait for so long togo to trial.
(15:50):
By the time we went to trial,you know it was a trial I
testified, my sons testified towhat happened and they asked him
to talk.
None of this was brought up incourt.
That we was in a relationshipthat I was jealous.
None of that was brought up incourt.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
What about?
What about what he's saying?
One of your kids testimony Wasstricken from court, from the
files and everything.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Okay, that makes a lot of sense.
That makes sense.
That makes sense.
So I only have one question foryou throughout this whole
ordeal, before going into thematter when you first let him
move in, were you aware of hishistory?
Speaker 5 (16:49):
Okay, Were you aware of his history?
Before he did that to hissister, he was living with me
already, okay, so he was with methe whole time.
When he got arrested, I wastrying to reach out to the
family to speak to them aboutwhat happened, but nobody would
respond to me about it, so I hadto wait for him to come home
and when he came home, I used tosit with him whenever he would
get paperwork from parole andwhen we sat down and we spoke
about it.
On many occasions he told methat his little sister, that he
(17:12):
touched my angel, her dad, hedid it to her and that he wanted
to change and he wanted helpLike he cried with me Like we
cried together.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
I felt bad for him.
I was a kid of two so I feltbad, like you know.
Okay, yeah, okay.
So he wasn't, so you didn't seehim as a known predator.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
Yeah, yeah, like a kid.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
He was my other kid, I was taking care of him, yeah.
So he says clearly, as youheard, that y'all had a physical
relationship, that you wantedto.
We never had a physicalrelationship I had.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Any time man I wanted in and out of that crib when I
had a nigga.
He was always there, he livedwith me.
I'm not that kind of businessto be having him wherever he had
.
No, you come in here with me,we together.
So for him to be saying that wewas having sexual relations how
, how?
When he never even seen menaked.
I don't know what his dick looklike.
They lying.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yeah, I believe you.
Trust me, I don't know whatthat man's dick look like.
I believe you.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
And if I did something with him, I have no
reason to lie about it.
I'm not the one here that didsomething wrong to somebody he
is.
That's why he's making up allthese stories and shit.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Yeah Well, you're good in my book.
You gave me everything I needed.
I'm going to wrap everything up.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
And we'll finish this story so you can continue
living in peace.
Thank you Honestly.
I want him to send you all theinformation about like because
there's no appeal.
They would have contacted me.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Yeah, they're saying that an appeal's in process.
That's what him and his mom istalking about.
Okay, well then, I'll be at thewhatever meeting it is whatever
.
Yeah, you would definitely getsome type of a notification.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Yeah, they're going to bring up all the evidence,
evidence.
And my sons are older now, sojust know that they, they, they
speak better than they did then?
Speaker 1 (19:26):
yeah, definitely, they're very highly educated and
smart definitely so.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
I don't know.
And then this story thatthey're portraying, that I made
it up.
I'm not the one who said thathe did something to him.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
To them, they said that he did something to yeah,
yeah, definitely, and you did.
They did continue to go gettherapy and shit like that right
(20:00):
.
Yeah, definitely, and you did.
They did continue to go gettherapy and shit like that right
.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
Yes, they did yes, and nobody ever threatened to
take my children.
My children was never told tome.
I was never threatened if Idon't go to counseling or if I
don't go to the doctor thatthey're gonna get taken.
That's a lie.
My children have been in mycare since I got pregnant.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Yeah, well, god bless you, God bless the family.
I appreciate you talking to me.
I appreciate you cooperating.
It means a lot to me.
Thank you, okay, and if Iremember anything else I'll call
you back.
Absolutely, I appreciate you,leah.
All right, thank you, god bless.
Thank you for not exploiting mychildren and violating them.
Absolutely not.
All right Later.
All right, I hear you .
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Yeah, what's up man, what's up you out there, you
ain't got reliable sources.
What's going on?
Speaker 1 (00:10):
You tell me, you tell me the story.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
What you want to hear .
Speaker 1 (00:18):
From start to finish, like are you guilty of what
you're in prison for?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
No, I'm not, that's one.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I believe that I was a great target because of my
past, and my past is my past.
That's something I had to dealwith, but when it came to Leah
and her kids, I've never eventhought about doing anything
like that.
I don't know what happened.
I don't know how the story gottogether.
Leah denied medical treatmentfor these kids numerous times.
I had that under my bed and Ialso have a statement from the
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one I have 22 years for sayingthat I didn't do nothing to him.
But two weeks later he had awhole different story and I'm
also hearing.
There's a video out there withme just saying what she did was
wrong and she's scared to tellit to my family yeah, I heard
about the video too.
I'm not I'm not, I'm not.
(01:17):
I'm not here to.
I don't care who believes myside, but if you want a reliable
source, you can give me anaddress.
I can send you paperwork.
I ain't got no time.
I'm a grown-ass man.
I'm trying to go home.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Yeah, you're working on an appeal.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I direct the bill.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
And how's that looking for you?
Yeah, I'm aware of that as well.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I'm aware of that as well, so you're aware of that
and you don't post the rightthing.
Leah is a horrible person.
She could make up stories.
Whoever else can make upstories.
I did one thing in my life andI did my time and I told the
truth.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
All right, so you're saying Leah's flat out lying.
What do you think Leah'smotivation to lie is?
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Truthfully, I want to go with jealousy.
Leah was madly in love with me.
Leah wanted to marry her, allsorts of shit and I also believe
that Anthony, the dude she wasdealing with, played a big part
in this also.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Okay, so I asked Leah , I can't really tell you
anything Like Uh huh.
I asked Leah if she had Anytype of dealings with you and
she said no.
She made that clear.
Y'all never had any type ofromantic dealings.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
And if that's what she made clear, then I can't, I
gotta, I gotta Feel the love onmy mind.
I'm of romantic dealings, ifthat's what she mean.
I got to seal the line with mymom and I'm going to call right
back.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
All right bet.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Yeah, it's.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
But I'm going to be honest.
That explains why, when I saidto him, don't trust her because
people will turn on you, he wasso warm.
I don't say that, don't do that.
That's what that was about.
Their friendship was more thanwhat I thought it was.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yes, it sounds kind of complicated.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
This is all fucked up and she's never going to come
clean because she'll go to jail.
You're going to jail for that,for perjury yeah you want to
jail for it.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
She took the stand.
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institutional telephonesconstitutes consent and your
calls may be provided to lawenforcement agencies.
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To refuse charges press 2.
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(04:12):
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Thank you for using Securus.
You may start the conversationnow.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Hello, yeah, yeah, all right so yeah, like I said
Hello, yeah, alright.
So yeah, like I said, I wasasking her if y'all had romantic
dealings, and she made it cleary'all didn't.
I mean I could read themessages right here to you.
Hold on, yeah, you can readthem.
Yeah, so the first thing that Iasked her was it's not a funny
(04:49):
matter, I'm not about to makeyou look bad at all, but if I'm
not mistaken, you dealt withCourtland Lovelace and I'm
currently covering a story.
She said ew, no, the fuck, Ididn't.
That was my best friend.
We never had no relations atall.
If you're going to say stuff,please make sure it's facts.
So I'm asking you right now didyou have a physical or a
(05:11):
romantic relationship with her?
Yes, I did.
It took you a minute to answerthat.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Because I don't feel like that shit should be brought
up.
I really don't care about noneof that.
You know I was saying I wasyoung, that shit ain't.
I don't even think about thatshit yeah, but I mean.
Let her run with that.
I'm so clear.
What I care about is lettingthe world know I never touched
them kids.
I love them to death.
That's the only thing I careabout.
(05:47):
So by you posting what you'reposting, you should have got
facts first.
My family, my family, got a lotabout austin.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Anything you ask your mom, she's gonna tell you he
never asked us, courtland, he, I, I failed him and he never
asked us.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
But what I'm saying is he should have.
He should have reached out assomebody that got a podcast and
doing cases and stuff.
He should have reached out andseen what's the real?
Speaker 4 (06:14):
I keep telling y'all that people reach out to him.
That's how that happened.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
For sure.
I mean, it's not like I'mcanceling out you having your
side of the story.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Like if I didn't, if I didn't inbox him, people would
still assume, courtland, youknow everybody's so scared of
what you did in the past and nowvoicing their opinion about the
story of today.
You understand, courtland,that's what happened in court.
They were so busy trying tohide your past and wondering
where she got a story from likethat.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
That's where she got the story from and she made it
in depth my whole thing is ify'all was best friends and
everything was cool, where didthis come from and why would she
do that to you?
Why would she jeopardize yourlife like this?
Why would she play with yourlife like that?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Like I said in the top three.
You know, when I first gotlocked up, people had their own
little sides.
That was around her.
Jasmine told me that she heardit was Anthony and Jasmine told
me that she immediately hadgotten to it because she got
back with Anthony.
Anthony used to beat all herkids me and Anthony got into a
fight because my dad gave one ofmy parents, which was her
(07:43):
oldest son, and he had bruiseall over his body and I'm not
going to self-incriminate myself, but I was ready to off him and
he had something on Leah.
Leah had something on him.
So they just squashed therelationship and around the time
I got locked up they wound upgetting back together, me and
Fort, maybe like a week before Igot locked up over the quarter
on situation One day I'm workingat McDonald's.
(08:07):
She calls my phone.
She asks me to come babysit thekids.
I said I'm at the clock, I'llbe there in a second.
I get to the crib kids.
I set them up the clock, I'llbe there in a second.
I get to the crib.
The crib is spotless.
If people know, leah Leah'shouse is always dirty.
The crib was spotless and thepolice is in the house waiting
for me.
When they arrested me they askedme can we take this easy?
They'll tell me when we get tothe car what happened.
I get in the elevator.
(08:29):
I don't want to hear that.
I want to know what the fuckI'm in cuffs for.
The story was.
Ms Morales told us that youmade her kids do things to each
other.
That was one.
I get to the precinct, I'm downthere for about eight hours.
They come and question me nowif I did things to them.
My first thing to them get themtested.
(08:52):
Leah denied medical treatmenttwice that, three times that day
.
She only got medical treatmentbecause they threatened to take
away her kids.
She only received counselingbecause they threatened to take
away her kids.
So when the medical records gotbrought up, they tried to state
on the medical records thatthey can't tell.
If anything they there was nolacerations or nothing, nor can
(09:12):
they expect to be due to thetime frame.
They try to say it takes twoweeks for things like that to
hail.
Leah took her kids to thedoctors two weeks after I was
arrested.
Yeah, you can ask any parent inthe world.
If somebody's saying theirkid's molested, are you not
going to go get your kids testedto make sure they're okay?
You know what her answer was.
(09:34):
She didn't catch me doinganything to them.
That's just a little bit.
I could go for hours.
I don't have the time, but Icould go for hours.
So that's why I was kind oftight that it just got posted
like that without knowinganybody knowing what's really
going on.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah, well, I mean, yeah Well, I mean, what's being
posted is public information,nothing outside of public
information.
And then you have Leah's sideof the story, and then Elliot,
I'm sending you the video.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Somebody send it to me.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
What video is that?
Speaker 4 (10:09):
I guess the video, the conversation, what parts
that they had.
They don't have the fullconversation, but they have some
of the conversation With Poncethat they had.
They don't have the fullconversation, but they had some
of the conversation with thatguy.
Okay, yeah, send it to me, butI don't know who the guy is.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I don't know if Jazzy knew who the guy was.
I know he is Elliot.
Yeah, he doesn't want to bebrought up in this because Leah
threatened him with jail beforetoo.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
And who's the guy?
Quay from Park Hill?
Quay from Park Hill.
I'll look into him.
I'll definitely look into him.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Like I said, I don't really buy anything.
Get posted about me.
I'm not.
Words is words.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
He's just saying be fan yeah, I hear don't see my
passion thing.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Oh no, maybe he really did this.
No, I did it.
Innocent man sent to jail for27 years.
That's why I had the chance togo home and say, yeah, I did
this, but I didn't.
Because I didn't do it?
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
And also, I'm not in jail For my last three young
kids, alright.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Copy.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Yeah definitely fucking is going on in the world
.
But I should have known,because she knew what your penis
looked like, so I should haveknew.
I should have known she knewwhat the fuck your penis looked
like.
I should have knew I got aminute left.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
I love you.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
I'll call you tomorrow, okay all right, so,
elliot, I'll send.
I'll send you what I, when theperson sends it to me, I'll send
it to you.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
The caller has hung up yeah, text it right to me.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
I appreciate it.
You're welcome, all right.
Yeah, hello.
Yeah, all right, so we couldtalk now.
Okay, all right.
So what happened the day he gotarrested?
All?
Speaker 5 (12:43):
right.
So the day he got arrested,this is all.
Everything happens in one day,you understand.
I'm home with my kids he worksat McDonald's at the block.
I'm bathing them, you know,long story short, I catch them
in the tub and I'm asking them,like you know, I never got
caught having sex in front ofy'all.
So where did y'all learn thesethings from?
(13:20):
And them two wouldn't tell meso when, yeah, and he just
starts like a point this in hisprivate and the other two start
crying.
So now I'm like pasting in myhouse.
I'm like what the fuck?
I don't know what to do.
I don't know what to think.
I don't even know, like, how toreact to it.
So I call the police.
And In the midst of me callingthe police, I'm like fuck this,
he's about to come home.
I don't want them to see himagain.
(13:40):
If they're telling me this, youknow, yeah, I run outside, like
because I lived in West Brainat the time, and across the
street there's a pool.
There's always cops sittingthere.
So I ran to those cops and Iexplained to them what just
happened.
Whatever that, I just calledthe police.
But I had just spoke to him andhe said he was on his way home.
So now I'm panicking.
I'm like they need to hurry upand come, because he's about to
(14:00):
come home and they wait in thekitchen.
They're like we're going to justwait here for when he comes.
When he comes in, we're goingto just arrest him.
So when he comes in, I don'teven.
They told me, don't talk to him, don't say nothing to him at
all.
So I don't say nothing.
He's like oh, what's going on?
And as they walk out thekitchen they come, they arrest
him.
He's looking at me.
(14:21):
He's like Leah, leah, what.
He starts screaming, crying.
He's throwing himself on thefloor.
The cops are yelling at him getthe fuck up, get the fuck up.
He's just like what did I do?
Crying.
So now they walk him out to theelevator.
I stay in my house.
I hear him like banging.
I don't know if he's likehitting his head or like kicking
(14:44):
the door, but he's like Ididn't do nothing to them.
He's just crying, screamingthat he didn't do nothing to
them.
So now the kids are in thehouse.
They're crying.
It's just like a crazy-asssituation.
We get in the car, we go down toSafe Horizon, I'm in the office
.
We're having an interview.
They send them right.
Doctor.
I met with detectives, acsworkers, uh, sexual abuse
(15:07):
counselors.
All types of people are in thisoffice.
They ask me what happened.
I'm just explaining to them.
Like you know, my children saidthat this person did these
things to them I'm not sure what, so they they're questioning
them.
The doctor in the back takes,calls me and it takes me into
the room and explains to me likethey wasn't caught in an act of
anything.
So there's nothing visible.
It was in the tub, so we're notgonna find anything right now
(15:29):
yeah the only medical records.
There was never no denying of nomedical records.
I didn't wait two weeks to takemy kids to the hospital.
That is a lie okay okay, andthen after that, after that,
like because Corona came, so thecase dragged out for so long,
yeah.
So we had to wait for so long togo to trial.
(15:50):
By the time we went to trial,you know it was a trial I
testified, my sons testified towhat happened and they asked him
to talk.
None of this was brought up incourt.
That we was in a relationshipthat I was jealous.
None of that was brought up incourt.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
What about?
What about what he's saying?
One of your kids testimony Wasstricken from court, from the
files and everything.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Okay, that makes a lot of sense.
That makes sense.
That makes sense.
So I only have one question foryou throughout this whole
ordeal, before going into thematter when you first let him
move in, were you aware of hishistory?
Speaker 5 (16:49):
Okay, Were you aware of his history?
Before he did that to hissister, he was living with me
already, okay, so he was with methe whole time.
When he got arrested, I wastrying to reach out to the
family to speak to them aboutwhat happened, but nobody would
respond to me about it, so I hadto wait for him to come home
and when he came home, I used tosit with him whenever he would
get paperwork from parole andwhen we sat down and we spoke
about it.
On many occasions he told methat his little sister, that he
(17:12):
touched my angel, her dad, hedid it to her and that he wanted
to change and he wanted helpLike he cried with me Like we
cried together.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
I felt bad for him.
I was a kid of two so I feltbad, like you know.
Okay, yeah, okay.
So he wasn't, so you didn't seehim as a known predator.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
Yeah, yeah, like a kid.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
He was my other kid, I was taking care of him, yeah.
So he says clearly, as youheard, that y'all had a physical
relationship, that you wantedto.
We never had a physicalrelationship I had.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Any time man I wanted in and out of that crib when I
had a nigga.
He was always there, he livedwith me.
I'm not that kind of businessto be having him wherever he had
.
No, you come in here with me,we together.
So for him to be saying that wewas having sexual relations how
, how?
When he never even seen menaked.
I don't know what his dick looklike.
They lying.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yeah, I believe you.
Trust me, I don't know whatthat man's dick look like.
I believe you.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
And if I did something with him, I have no
reason to lie about it.
I'm not the one here that didsomething wrong to somebody he
is.
That's why he's making up allthese stories and shit.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Yeah Well, you're good in my book.
You gave me everything I needed.
I'm going to wrap everything up.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
And we'll finish this story so you can continue
living in peace.
Thank you Honestly.
I want him to send you all theinformation about like because
there's no appeal.
They would have contacted me.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Yeah, they're saying that an appeal's in process.
That's what him and his mom istalking about.
Okay, well then, I'll be at thewhatever meeting it is whatever
.
Yeah, you would definitely getsome type of a notification.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Yeah, they're going to bring up all the evidence,
evidence.
And my sons are older now, sojust know that they, they, they
speak better than they did then?
Speaker 1 (19:26):
yeah, definitely, they're very highly educated and
smart definitely so.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
I don't know.
And then this story thatthey're portraying, that I made
it up.
I'm not the one who said thathe did something to him.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
To them, they said that he did something to yeah,
yeah, definitely, and you did.
They did continue to go gettherapy and shit like that right
(20:00):
.
Yeah, definitely, and you did.
They did continue to go gettherapy and shit like that right
.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
Yes, they did yes, and nobody ever threatened to
take my children.
My children was never told tome.
I was never threatened if Idon't go to counseling or if I
don't go to the doctor thatthey're gonna get taken.
That's a lie.
My children have been in mycare since I got pregnant.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Yeah, well, god bless you, God bless the family.
I appreciate you talking to me.
I appreciate you cooperating.
It means a lot to me.
Thank you, okay, and if Iremember anything else I'll call
you back.
Absolutely, I appreciate you,leah.
All right, thank you, god bless.
Thank you for not exploiting mychildren and violating them.
Absolutely not.
All right Later.
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