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March 25, 2025 31 mins

Roger welcomes Ambassador Paula Dobriansky, the former Under Secretary of State for Democracy and Global Affairs and editor of her father Lev Dobriansky’s newly released book, “Unyielding Resolve: Captive Nations and the Path to Freedom.”

Together, they discuss Lev Dobriansky’s work advocating for the rights of captive nations, his role in establishing an annual Captive Nations Week proclamation signed by U.S. presidents, the historical significance of the captive nations concept and its continued relevance today - particularly in light of Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Plus, reflections on the legacy of President Ronald Reagan and the importance of the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation.

Paula is a foreign policy expert and holds degrees in Soviet political and military affairs from Harvard University and is the recipient of the Secretary of State’s highest honor, the Distinguished Service Medal. She serves as the vice chair of the Atlantic Council’s Scowcroft Center for Strategy and Security, as a Senior Fellow at Harvard Kennedy School’s Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs and as a member of the TFAS Board of Trustees

During TFAS D.C. Summer Programs, TFAS holds the annual “Dobriansky Lecture on Political Economy” in memory of her father Lev Dobriansky who was a longtime professor at Georgetown University and the U.S. Ambassador to the Bahamas. Lev was also the founding director of the first TFAS program in 1970.

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to the Liberty and Leadership Podcast,
a conversation with TFAS alumni,faculty and friends who are
making an impact.
Today I'm your host, roger Ream.
Today I'm honored to haveAmbassador Paula Dobriansky, the
former Undersecretary of Statefor Democracy and Global Affairs

(00:22):
, as my guest on the Liberty andLeadership podcast.
Paula is a foreign policyexpert and she serves as the
vice chair of the AtlanticCouncil's Scowcroft Center for
Strategy and Security, as asenior fellow at the Kennedy
School's Belfer Center forScience and International
Affairs at Harvard and as amember of the TFAS Board of

(00:44):
Trustees affairs at Harvard andis a member of the TFAS Board of
Trustees.
Paula holds degrees in Sovietpolitical and military affairs
from Harvard University and isthe recipient of the Secretary
of State's highest honor, theDistinguished Service Medal.
During TFAS's summer programs,we hold an annual Lev Dobriansky
Lecture in Political Economy inmemory of her father, lev

(01:06):
Dobriansky, who was a longtimeprofessor at Georgetown
University and US Ambassador tothe Bahamas.
Lev was also the foundingdirector of the first TFAS
program in 1970.
Paula is the editor of herfather's newly released book
Unyielding Resolve, captiveNations and the Path to Freedom,

(01:27):
just published in February bythe Hoover Institution.
Paula, it's great to have youwith me on the Liberty and
Leadership Podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Thank you.
Good morning Roger.
I'm very delighted to be here.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
I am so looking forward to talking about this
book Unyielding, resolve CaptiveNations and the Path to Freedom
.
It's quite, this bookUnyielding, resolve Captive
Nations and the Path to Freedom.
It's quite a book and you hadan important role in getting it
published.
I'd like to begin by talking alittle bit about your father,
the author of the book, levDobriansky.
I was blessed attending a Fundfor American Studies program

(02:01):
while a college student to be ina program that he was directing
, so we got to have him lectureto us and I still remember a
lecture he gave about the SovietUnion.
This was 1976, of course, rightat the middle of the Cold War
and he really emphasized thedistinction between Russia and
Ukraine and the other republicsof the Soviet Union, and that

(02:23):
left a lasting impression on meand that comes through in this
book.
Could you give me a littlebackground about your father
before we talk about the bookitself?

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Well, first I'd start with, my father had a number of
titles.
He certainly was ProfessorDobriansky.
He taught for over, I believe,30-some years at Georgetown
University.
He was a professor of economicsand I love to hear the stories
about him because there are somany.

(02:52):
I mean truly, and in fact it'sfun to hear students tell me
that they would give him someI'll use a word kind of pet
names, pet names that they liked.
And when I asked them I said,well, what does that mean?
And they said, you know what?
We gave only our professors,who we adored, really, those pet
names.

(03:12):
So he was a professor ofeconomics, like I said, for some
30 years at GeorgetownUniversity.
He, by the way, I should goback.
He was born in the United Statesto parents who immigrated from
Ukraine.
His entire side and background,both sides of his family, are
Ukrainian descent.
He was born in New York City.

(03:34):
He went to NYU where he got hisundergraduate degree, his
master's degree and PhD, so he'salso Dr Dobriansky.
His PhD was on Thorsten Veblenand he wrote a book actually, or
turned his dissertation intoVeblenism, which was a very

(03:54):
interesting topic and one thathe also felt very proud that he
wrote about.
And so with that background hewas looking for a professorial
position and then he did end upat Georgetown where, as I said,
he was there for some 30 plusyears.
He became, in the Reaganadministration, ambassador to

(04:17):
the Bahamas, so he also has anambassadorial title and in that
regard he was a very active,engaged ambassador.
There were a lot of challengingissues.
There was the Autech basingagreement that was signed on his
watch and then also during thattime there were a lot of sting
operations because of narcoticstrafficking in and throughout

(04:40):
the Caribbean.
Finally, I'll just say thishe's an author of quite a few
books USA and the Soviet Myth,the Vulnerable Russians, and
then this book which we'retalking about today, unyielding
Resolve, and the formal titleCaptive Nations and the Path to
Freedom, which I'm very excitedabout talking, if you don't mind

(05:02):
, roger.
One last point I'd like to make,because I think you also knew
my mother, julia Dobriansky, andI do want to say she was an
educator herself.
They met at NYU and my mothergot her master's degree from
Columbia University.
Both of my parents wereeducators.
My mother chose after that,when they married, to raise two

(05:25):
children, me and my sister, butthe two of them were very
engaged in matters concerningUkraine Because my dad was
president of the UkrainianCongress Committee of America.
Both of them were very, veryengaged in looking at the issue
of captive nations.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yes, and raised two very successful daughters who
had a good portion of yourcareers in public service to our
country, which is marvelous,and your sister attended one of
our programs when she was acollege student.
That's correct.
This book there's a story here,I think, because it was
published 17 years after yourfather passed away.
How did it come about?
I understand he wrote it outlonghand on legal pads.

(06:06):
And tell me a little bit aboutthat story before we dig into
the themes itself.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
My dad was a traditionalist, he wasn't using
a computer.
He actually was writingchapters of the book.
Actually, sometimes, well, itwould be in different locations,
including on a humorous note,my dad certainly maintained a
tan, as you know, I think,almost year-round.
So some of these chapters werewritten on, maybe on the beach

(06:36):
in Miami Beach, but yes, thesechapters were on these long
legal yellow legal pad.
He would pass chapters to meand you know he'd basically say
here, hold it now, we're goingto talk about it, we're going to
talk about it.
And quite honestly and sadly,my father did pass away.
I believe that virtually, itwas almost at the very, very end

(07:01):
of the book, virtually.
I think he maybe was looking athaving maybe a wrap-up section,
but I think all of the chaptersthat he had wanted to address
it was finished.
If you want to know, when I hadthis and I looked through all
of it, the first order ofbusiness for me was to get it on
a computer, and so that was thefirst order of business.

(07:23):
It was put on a computer andthen after that, if you'll note,
on the cover of the book itmentions edited by me and
Prateek Chagul, and Prateek, whohas been a fellow associated
with the Fund for AmericanStudies.
We're very lucky indeed forthat.
That.
He was very engaged in, by theway, shortening the document.

(07:47):
Hoover was interested in lookingat my dad's manuscript.
We had conversations withHoover and, candidly speaking,
as you can imagine, with allpublishing you know you have to
follow the rules and theregulations of the publishers
and my dad's original was likesome 800 pages and, by the way,

(08:08):
I will be soon I'll try to workit but to get actually the full
chapters over to the HooverArchives.
So anyone who wants to reallylook and dig deep in all the
research that he did, it will bethere.
But the book itself was,ultimately it was condensed down
and published by HooverInstitution Press, which we're

(08:32):
very grateful for.
So that's the story and that'swhy it took a number of years,
quite honestly, getting thechapters, taking them, inserting
them into the computer, takingsome 800 pages.
So it was quite a lot that hadto be sifted through and,
candidly speaking, I thinkactually there were several

(08:52):
rounds of editing, not onlyediting on our part but also on
the part of Hoover Institution'sown editors.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
You got it down to it's under 300 pages, including
the notes and the forward andepilogue, and very readable.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
Roger, may I just inject one thing, forgive me.
I actually I'm glad for thatbecause I think the substance it
is very readable.
It's very precise what myfather had, which I think is of
great value for the archives.
He had a lot of researchattached to the substance of the

(09:28):
book, so there were testimoniesthat were inserted, statements
made by members of Congress,proclamations, a lot of data
that, by the way you know, isimportant for historians to look
back and see what was writtenat the time and not just by my
father.
So that was, I would say.

(09:50):
A good portion was taken out,but that will be available,
certainly ultimately on theHoover Institution's archival
website.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
And it's extremely timely, of course, in that it
was released on the three-yearanniversary of the Russian
invasion of Ukraine and we werepleased to do a book event at
the Fund for American Studiesand pleased that C-SPAN has
recorded that and that'll beaired sometime soon and be
permanently on their website andavailable, and you brought some
experts together to talk aboutthe substance of the book.

(10:20):
So let me dig into it a littlehere.
One thing is the subtitlementions captive nations and
many people probably don't knowwhat that term captive nations
involves.
Could you explain a little ofthat history and your father's
key role in that whole issue In?

Speaker 2 (10:36):
1959, my father wrote a resolution PL 8690, public
Law 8690, which was the CaptiveNations Week resolution.
The resolution specificallycalled upon not just only
Congress in this regard, but thePresident of the United States,

(10:57):
for every year, for the thirdweek of July, to issue a
proclamation, and theproclamation would be focused on
those captive nations, what myfather was specifically
referring to and, by the way, Ishould mention 1959, the first
president who in fact signed thevery first proclamation and

(11:20):
embraced the resolution wasPresident Dwight D Eisenhower,
and it focused on thosecountries that were impacted by
tyrannical governments.
Here the proclamation and alsothe resolution would focus on,
in particular, russianimperialism.

(11:41):
It wasn't only about Russiancommunism, if you will, because,
yes, we knew the existence ofthe Soviet Union at the time,
but this was also about Russianstatecraft and Russian
imperialism and specificallyfocusing on countries like those
in Central and Eastern Europe,countries like Poland, like

(12:04):
Hungary, like the Czech Republic, like, also looking at China,
looking at Cuba.
Also, we must remember theBaltic states.
The Baltic states neverrecognized their forced
incorporation into, then, theSoviet Union.
Core essence of it was all ofthese captive nations, and the

(12:26):
captive nations list theoriginal one and the one to this
day focuses on those countriesthat are not free, that their
governments are tyrannical, thatthey repress their population,
they don't have freedom of thepress, they don't have freedom
of religion, they are repressedin many different ways, and so

(12:48):
that's what its focus is,fundamentally.
I'd like to, by the way, if Ican, david Rivkin, who was a
student at Georgetown and thenhe became my father's teacher's
assistant.
He wrote the foreword to thebook and he also wrote the
epilogue to the book, and Ithink that he gave the essence

(13:10):
of what this was all about andwhat the book is about.
May I read that if you don'tmind, roger?

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Please do.
I suspect it's something that Iwas going to ask you about, so
yes, please do.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
David basically was saying to educate policymakers
and the next generation and todocument the story of captive
nations, as it has never beendetailed.
And by the way, if that was aquestion for me, the book does
that, and this is David's quoteto ascribe pivotal importance to
the dominant imperialist strainin Russian history and

(13:43):
statecraft, regarding it as themost compelling driver of Soviet
domestic repression andexternal aggression.
And then he goes on to say thebook seeks to articulate the
captive nation's concept as anexplanation of Russian conduct,
contrasting it with the mostcommon explanations of the

(14:04):
sources.
So I wanted to weave in herethat basically you're asking me
about the origins and I wantedto not just describe the origins
, because the origins certainlyare based on PL 8690, which is a
resolution that was abipartisan resolution, that

(14:27):
Dwight D Eisenhower, the firstpresident who signed a
proclamation that very thirdweek of July, and every
president, by the way, sincethat time has signed a
proclamation and has spoken tothis issue of freedom of those
that are repressed, and herewith a focus particularly on

(14:50):
Russian imperialism.
And I will add just one lastthing I think it was very
significant that every presidentsince Dwight T Eisenhower
forward has issued aproclamation.
I think that ascribes theimportance to which all of our
presidents have reallyunderscored the importance of
freedom, universal freedom forall, and that no one, no one,

(15:14):
should be repressed, no matterwhere they are living.
And the essence was that thosenationalities Ukrainians,
Latvians, Lithuanians and, bythe way, there are many ethnics
Poles who live in the UnitedStates, and we know about them
that all of them have a right totheir own culture, to their

(15:36):
language, to live in peace, andthat is what Captive Nations is
about.
It's a reminder that for thosethat are repressed here, that we
should not accept that state.
That is just not something thatwe identify with.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
Well, if history is a guide, we'll always have a need
for a captive nationsproclamation, but we'll continue
to strive for the freedom andhuman rights that those people
all deserve in those captivecountries and human rights that
those people all deserve inthose captive countries.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
I'd like to think, Roger, that we should have hope
and that there will be some daythat there won't be that need
and that someday that there is auniverse where there is no such
repression of people and forthem to be themselves and who
they are ethnically.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
Now, since you brought up David Rivkin, let me
ask you in the epilogue, I thinkit is, he mentions a statement
of your father's which wentsomething like Russia minus
Ukraine equals zero, and thatcomes out in his book as well.
But could you explain what ismeant by that?

Speaker 2 (16:43):
Yes, well, as we know , there have been these
statements made that Ukraine isnot Ukraine, ukraine is Russia.
The fact of the matter isUkraine has been independent a
number of times in its history.
There is the Ukrainian language, there's the Ukrainian culture,
there's Ukraine's own historyand in this case, the fact of

(17:06):
the matter is Ukraine should beable to live in peace and, by
the way, have its peacefulrelations with Russia, with
Poland, with the Baltic states,with its neighborhood.
And in this case I mean clearlywhat my father was underscoring
was this issue about this kindof Russian imperial drive and

(17:30):
imperial statecraft and thatthis kind of push to absorb
Ukraine and to deny Ukraine as anation.
And in this case, I will saythat the Ukrainian culture, the
Ukrainian history is very, veryrich say that the Ukrainian
culture, the Ukrainian historyis very, very rich.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Ukraine is also a country that, if Russia controls
it, I guess, provides Russiawith a lot of what it lacks in
terms of its production, ofagriculture and industrial
output, its seaports, itsgateway to Europe, I guess.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
That is true.
Ukraine is very rich, as weknow, in critical minerals.
Ukraine has a strategic,geopolitical or geostrategic
position.
Ukraine also is the breadbasket.
It used to be called thebreadbasket when it had been in
the Soviet Union.

(18:22):
We also know the BudapestMemorandum, where Ukraine was,
by the way, forced to give upits nuclear weapons, which it
did from the Budapest Memorandum.
I was looking back here at thatparagraph.
I hope you don't mind, but I'mgoing to say here, let me, if I
may put it best, in context.
I gave my answer, but hereDavid says Dobriansky has also

(18:46):
consistently maintained that fora variety of geopolitical,
economic and cultural reasons,ukraine loomed particularly
large within the context ofRussia's empire building.
And that's what we were justtalking about, roger, what you
said about the economics andwhat I also said about its

(19:06):
meaning.
His thesis concerning theimportance of the particularly
nationalistic nature of Russianimperialism was criticized by
some Western scholars whopreferred alternative
explanations for Soviet domesticand international contexts.
Dobriansky's view of theimportance of Ukraine was well
captured in his favorite saying,quote Russia minus Ukraine

(19:29):
equals zero to the pre-1917Tsarist Empire and, following
the Russian Revolution and abrief period of independence,

(19:50):
experienced the same fate in thenew version of Moscow's empire,
and living and teaching inWashington DC, he was a witness
and a key participant in many ofthe most important events in
the 20th century Americanpolitical history.
Forgive me for reading itlonger, but I did want to put it
fully in context for yourlistenership.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
When we saw the Soviet Union dissolve in 1992
and earlier, the Berlin Wallcome down and many of these
countries gain their freedom,was there any thought then that
there's no need for a captivenations proclamation?

Speaker 2 (20:39):
Eisenhower to the present did.
No, I think there were many whowanted to watch, wait, see what
was taking place.
There was a reordering of thelist.
Some countries were taken off,some countries were kept on, and
so basically it was an updating.
But what we have seen in placeslike just to mention too China
and Cuba, you still see thoseare on the captive nations list.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
I should let people know that the story of that
public law and the renewal of iteach year is captured in the
book as well.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
One period that my father especially highlights.
It was President Ronald Reaganwho, we know, delivered the
speech at the beginning of hisown tenure as president.
He delivered the speechdeclaring of the evil empire of
then the Soviet Union, and itwas on and during his tenure
that we witnessed the breakup ofthe Soviet Union and he called

(21:34):
it an evil empire.
He also took real action interms of giving a speech on what
was called the Star Wars speech, on the Strategic Defense
Initiative.
Why?
Because that was a time focusedon nuclear weapons and about
the concern about what washappening in the height, in the
heyday of the Cold War andnuclear weapons being pointed at

(21:55):
us and us having to have a kindof defensive strategy.
So here let me just say thatwhat was distinctive my father
wrote about was that RonaldReagan was the president who
actually held at the White Housean event, a big Captive Nations
Day event.
He invited in thoserepresentatives from the Captive

(22:19):
Nations to be present at theceremony, the signing of his
proclamation.
My father was present, therewere many members of Congress
who were present there who alsostood by while the president was
signing the proclamation, andthat was a period where it was
not just the issuance of theproclamation and the signing,

(22:39):
roger, but actually an actualevent that was held at the White
House to commemorate CaptiveNations and PL 8690.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
You served in the administration of President
Reagan and I wonder if you couldshare just your thoughts about
that president, because heplayed such a pivotal role in
this collapse of the SovietUnion and the freeing of many
people in this part of the world.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
I would be delighted to do so.
I was, by the way, for any ofyour alum and also your students
to know, I actually I startedat the White House as an intern
at the National Security Council.
When the Reagan administrationcame in, I was brought on the
National Security Council staffand I started at the age of 24.

(23:30):
Richard Allen was the NationalSecurity Advisor, and some
people who remember it actuallyremember the fact that Richard
Allen himself was a very youngNational Security Advisor in the
Nixon administration.
I believe he was in his early30s and then he came back again
to serve in Reagan.
But I mention that because itwas a time that, to me, was very

(23:53):
inspirational.
Reagan was a president who hada real vision.
He was staunchly anti-communist.
He believed that communism toreat the very fabric of society
and believed firmly in thecaptive nations concept that
people have a right to be free,to be able to be their own

(24:18):
ethnicity and not to besubjugated by any kind of
tyrannical imposed rule.
And so that was so inspirational.
It was very, very inspirationalbecause time and again, he
spoke about freedom.
And, on the staff, what waswonderful was being able to go

(24:39):
to the Oval Office.
There were many times I went tothe Oval Office or participated
in National Security Councilmeetings and I had the privilege
of seeing Reagan in action.
Reagan was someone who stoodfirm on his principles.
We know how engaged he was withthen Gorbachev.
There was the very intensemeeting in Reykjavik, and we

(25:00):
also know when Reagan deliveredhis remarks at the Berlin Wall,
when he said, mr Gorbachev, teardown that wall.
So what was it like?
For me, roger, it was truly.
It had a mission, it had afocus and it was not only
inspirational in terms of whatwe were about, but also there

(25:21):
was an esprit de corps.
It was one environment I was inin government where we really
felt Reagan's slogan peacethrough strength, which, by the
way, the Trump administrationrefers often to now.
Peace through strength.

(25:42):
I'm a firm believer in that andI think that Reagan made
significant achievements becauseof it.
So your students shoulddefinitely look back on the
Reagan administration and learnfrom many of the lessons that we
learned at that time in beingto advance US national security
interests.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
One other question I'd like to ask you.
Another legacy of your father'sand our friend Lee Edwards, who
you and I both knew passed awayin December of last year, is
your father, I think, wasfounding chairman of the Victims
of Communism Museum andMemorial Project and that has
been remarkably successful.

(26:23):
I know you're very involved init now.
Could you say something aboutthat and your father's role?

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Absolutely.
First, if I may say, I'm veryproudly on the board, the board
of trustees of the Victims ofCommunism Memorial Foundation.
I'd also like to just say justa word about Lee Edwards, a
accomplished writer, author,historian, academic, activist
and also a dear, dear friend ofmy father.

(26:50):
They worked quite a bit onCaptive Nations together.
Lee Edwards, like my father,was staunchly anti-communist.
They both believed very firmlyin freedom and liberty and
towards that end I had the greatprivilege of working after my
father's passing, workingdirectly with Lee Edwards and

(27:12):
just a wonderful, wonderful manwho has really left a real
legacy for himself and all thathe achieved, not just only there
in the victims of communism,but also in advancing the
conservative movement.
For my father, my father veryproudly joined forces with the
co-founders of the Victims ofCommunism Memorial Foundation,

(27:34):
founders of the Victims ofCommunism Memorial Foundation,
that was Dr Lee Edwards and DrEdwin Fulner, former CEO and
head of the Heritage Foundation,and there my dad joined forces
with them and to me, lookingback, the culmination of their
efforts is really just verysignificant.
First there is the establishmentof the foundation itself, also

(27:57):
bringing in many countries thatsuffered under communism who
also tell the story and the wayin which they tell the story.
There's a museum, and I hopeyour students come and see
museum and the faculty comes andsees the museum, because the
museum does tell a story andwe're thankful for those

(28:18):
contributors from thosecountries that were subjugated
by Russian imperialism.
And then, thirdly, there's alsoan education program, the
belief and Lee Edwards feltfervently in this that as an
academic and as a writer, hefelt strongly that that story
must be told.
The next generations need toknow the evils of communism and

(28:41):
what it did to ravage so manysocieties and suppress them.
My father joined forces.
He was the chairman of theboard and I have to say I feel
very honored to be on that boardat this time, but my father
joined with them.
And finally, there is a statuewhich is located close to Union

(29:03):
Station in Washington DC andalso Georgetown University's law
school.
There George W Bush gave aspeech and, if you will,
christened the Lady of Liberty,the statue of the Lady of
Liberty, which is the statuethat is in honor of those
victims of communism.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
We do, paula, send students off to the museum to
see that, because communismseems to be something in the
past and they need to learnabout it, because it still
exists today and its historyneeds to be studied, and so
we're pleased to have studentsgo there, sometimes with our
faculty for programming, andit's a marvelous, marvelous
museum.
Well, thank you for joining metoday on the Liberty and

(29:46):
Leadership Podcast.
It's a great book UnyieldingResolve, captive Nations and the
Path to Freedom, availablethrough the Hoover Institution
or on Amazon, and thank you forseeing it to publication.
The hard work of you andPrateek Chagul to get it
published is such a valuablecontribution to our
understanding of events that arehappening right now in the

(30:07):
world, especially in the war ofaggression by Russia against
Ukraine.
So, thank you, paula.
It's a pleasure to talk withyou this morning.
I appreciate it very much.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
Thank you, roger, it's been a real honor, and
thank you for honoring my fatherby speaking about and featuring
his book on your podcast thismorning.
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
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Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.

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