November 8, 2025 • 42 mins
Brian Fitzherbert, president of Liberty and Prosperity, joins Anne Baker on WOND radio for 'Fitzherbert Friday,' to discuss the results, and ramifications, of Tuesday's election results in New Jersey and New York.
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Here's your host, Ann Baker.
Good morning, everyone. This is Ann Baker. I'm
talking with Ann on News Talk 1,400. 9230
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927-1100.
And as I promised, we've got Brian Fitzherbert
on on Fitzherbert Friday. Good morning, Brian. How
the heck are you?
Good morning, Anne. Thanks for having me on.
Have you recovered yet from Tuesday?
Yeah. You know,
There's so much there to digest
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and break down that, you know, I
I've been listening
a lot.
You know, there's always gonna be the Monday
morning quarterback or this, that, and the other
thing after the fact, but
the my first instinct or my first thought
that comes to mind just
from a structural standpoint is if this happened
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from
a nonpolitical standpoint, right, from a corporate standpoint
or from anywhere else, anyone who is tied
to it responsibly wise would either be terminated
or they would have the decency to resign
as
con contributing to this because,
I mean, 13
loss
statewide
Mhmm.
Over 400,000
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vote delta and still climbing,
and likely
five
assembly seats lost by the GOP
that
solidifies
a permanent,
super minority
for Republicans.
And what's even more baffling
is
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Republican leadership in the state legislature doubled down
and
elected the same leaders
Mhmm.
To continue forward when the last two election
cycles, the losses have been
tremendous. I mean, I I think it's something
like 12 seats in the last two election
cycles. So performance matters.
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And in the real world, usually, like I
said, there's accountability for that. And
so far, and it's only been three days,
four days,
it doesn't look like anything's changing. And people
also need to remember,
New Jersey is a blue state. New Jersey
has been a blue state for a quarter
of a century.
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And
these ideas of trying to moderate
or any of this other nonsense by,
abandoning
principles
of either the Republican Party or or the
big tent that includes that's libertarians, conservative,
Trump supporters, etcetera,
constitutionalists
is
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the exact wrong way to go. Because as
we've seen, even with the likely five seats,
including right here in the 2nd District, I
mean, with,
Claire Claire Swift,
there's she's down.
She's fourth. You know, Don Guardian, it probably
has an election even though he's been certified.
He's probably won. And then there's two Democrats
that nobody's ever heard of. Never. And then
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there's Clark Swift.
And
even with I last knowledge I had, I
think there was, like, 1,400
provisional ballots,
and there's probably about 600
vote by mail ballots that have to be
so about 2,000
ballots to be reviewed.
I highly doubt that this is gonna allow
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for Assemblywoman Claire Swift to pull out a
victory.
And,
again, it she's not the only one, you
know, in the 8th District, which also has
one one town of Atlantic,
County with Hamilton,
the incumbent and the challenger
Republicans
lost.
And then there was other places throughout the
state. And, again, the argument
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and I'm I'm really not trying to point
a finger. I'm trying to objectively analyze this.
But if someone
has an option
of and I'll try to use ice cream
because that's the easiest analogy I can come
up with. You have,
chocolate and vanilla. Right? Vanilla is Republican. Chocolate
is Democrats.
Well, let's make it even more more prevalent.
Let's say dark chocolate.
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If a Republican
tries to act like chocolate and the Democrats
are dark chocolate, why is anyone gonna vote
for chocolate when they can get the real
thing of dark chocolate? They're not gonna go
for a light version when they can get
the real thing.
So, again, trying to adopt
or moderate, in my view,
Democrat positions is not gonna is not gonna
get anywhere. You need to have a contrast.
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You need to have a comparison.
And even further,
this is what's even more,
more concerning
as a whole
is,
guess what? It was
their team versus our team. And guess what?
Their team has more people on their team.
800,000
more people on their team. It didn't matter
what any Republican
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said or was going to say
to try to convince someone's vote
because no one believes anybody anymore. Nobody believes
messaging anymore, not that we even had good
messaging. That's another story we can we can
dive into, but nobody even believes. So if
you have a d after your name and
you're part of team blue and you're part
of the Democratic party, you're voting for a
Democrat.
Same thing with Republican. It's a math problem.
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That's what it comes down to. It's a
simple numbers game. The fundamental thing that any
and all Republican organizations should be spending their
time doing is registering people to vote, which
does not happen in this state. It's really
bad.
And even further,
again,
the notion that
and respectfully with what I'm about to say.
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The notion that four years ago, Jack lost
by 85,000 votes and three points, and that
we just need to pick up a little
bit more, and, you know, we're there. We
can build on the build on that existing
thing. Well, that turned out to not be
the case because he lost by an additional
10 points, 13 points total. And what's happened
in the last four years? People have died.
People have turned 18. People have moved to
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New Jersey. People have left New Jersey.
The political environment is different. It is now
a Republican
in the White House, not a Democrat.
It is a Democrat
incumbent four years ago that was seeking reelection
with Phil Murphy. This time around, it was
an open seat. Mikey Sherrill appeared, quote, unquote,
like a fresh new face, and we can
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get into the details of that. But the
political environment
was different.
And now
the sad commentary is that if someone like
Jack Ciattarelli,
who
I I applaud him for putting his name
on the ballot, for campaigning, for spending the
amount of time, energy,
etcetera, that he has in the last decade.
If an individual like Jack Ciattarelli can run
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three times for governor,
have the name ID that he had, raise
the tens of millions of dollars that he
had, and still lose and not only lose,
I mean, respectfully, get completely slaughtered
by 13 points,
the Republicans have a long way to go
to win anything statewide,
much less attract a candidate that's gonna waste,
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quote, unquote, waste their time doing so.
Because we've now seen
multiple instances of this. Bob Hugan,
six, seven years ago, ran for US senate.
He used 40,000,000 of his own money, lost
by 10 points minutes after the polls closed.
So statewide in terms of US Senate and
the Governor's Mansion
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look like a really Herculean effort, especially with
what Jack just demonstrated with all the hard
work that he has put in in the
last decade
and to lose by 13 points.
He's the only candidate who had an agenda,
who talked about what he was going to
do
to fix New Jersey, which needs fixing desperately.
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And yet, you know, I I don't know.
John tells me I shouldn't call people stupid.
But when,
we found out what the results of the
election were on Tuesday, he said, well, maybe
you're right.
Maybe the people really are stupid because they
obviously didn't do any research.
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So I I mean, that that could be
a contributing factor. But, again, the fundamental
is a math problem in the amount of
people.
And, again, there's an 800,000
delta in voter registration. That's not withstanding any
other things in terms of turnout. Our turnout,
I don't even think cracked 45%
for Republicans.
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Yeah. What a shameful thing.
So the other thing is and then you
can get into strategy. Right? I I personally,
would have had
Donald Trump
beg Donald Trump to do a campaign rally
in New Jersey. And the argument against that
is gonna be, oh, Donald Trump, you know,
he's gonna motivate Democrats
to come out to the polls and vote.
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Well, we know that already. They already don't
like him. They want this is the first
opportunity for national Democrats or statewide Democrats to
give the middle finger to Donald Trump because
of the first major election after one year
since he's since he himself was elected. So
they were already gonna be motivated, not notwithstanding
his successes that they can't stand because he's
Donald Trump and he's successful.
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So if you already know that people are
gonna come out to vote and they're gonna
be motivated to vote, why not do the
double edged sword and say, yeah. Let's get
Donald Trump here. He's gonna motivate Democrats to
come out. But guess what? He's gonna motivate
Republicans to come out too because there is
nobody better
in the last
ten to fifteen years better at getting Republicans
to the polls than Donald Trump. And Donald
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Trump
has more statewide votes than any Republican in
my lifetime in the state of New Jersey
as was evident in 2024. But why didn't
Donald know that? Why didn't Donald actually come?
Instead of using the phone, why didn't he
come? I mean, it's like,
with Winston,
the, Virginia.
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Really? I mean, why didn't he do that?
So a few things there. So you brought
up the Virginia race, which is also really
telling. Virginia is a less populous state than
New Jersey by a million. And yet when
some Sears
got more Republican votes than Jack Ciattarelli in
total numbers,
that's also really bad because more Republicans in
Virginia
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came out to vote for her who was
anti Trump,
was not a fan of Donald Trump, trashed
Donald Trump,
and still lost by double digits, but still
got more
votes
statewide in a less populous state than Jack
Choir really did here in New Jersey. Now
with regard to why Donald Trump didn't come
here, I suspect,
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I don't have any proof, but I suspect
that those
expensive consultants
that took all of Jack's money Mhmm.
Told him that
Donald Trump physically in the state of New
Jersey will hurt you, and don't do it.
And that's likely what
probably
deterred Donald Trump from getting involved further than
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to
tele town halls. Look. People like to see
Donald Trump. They like to wait in line
for Donald Trump.
They will wait in line in the cold.
They will wait in line in the heat.
They will wait in line in the snow
and the rain and everything in between to
see what Donald Trump has to say and
to who he directs and leads them to
support. Yep. And he motivates them. And, yes,
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he does motivate Democrats to come out. There's
no question about it. But the Democrats did
not hesitate
to bring in Barack Obama twice to the
Garden State in person for a rally.
Same thing with other elected
governors
nearby.
Respectfully,
Jack brought in candidates
that were running for governor next year to
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help him campaign.
I didn't see that many other than the
leader of the Republican Governors Association,
governor Brian Kemp from Georgia,
in the state of New Jersey.
And I I get it. Maybe the strategy
was to keep it to state issues.
But the thing that nailed Jack, among other
things I mean, you he's look. He's gonna
be beating himself up more than anybody else,
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and there's no reason to pile on, but
we can try to objectively
analyze
to find lessons learned so that we can
grow and do better next time. Because guess
what? We sadly are, as Republicans,
are going to be in the super minority
for quite some time. You bet. It's going
to take a significant amount of time to
find
a way to get 18 seats in state
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assembly
to get one of the chambers.
Crazy. And you have to do it in
baby steps.
It's crazy.
Crazy that that people actually don't mind the
high taxes, the high
energy cost, that they don't mind the the
piss poor education
that their children are getting in the inner
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city schools, public schools, that they don't care
about school choice, that they don't care about
saving money
on property taxes, that they don't give a
damn about the elderly
having to continue to pay high taxes,
when we know that Jack had said, you're
70 years old. Whatever you're paying now, it's
never gonna go up.
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That people actually
either they weren't listening
or they didn't think it was good enough,
what he was giving. But she gave nothing.
She said same old, same old. We're gonna
do the same thing that that Murphy is
doing now. We're gonna take your kids from
as young an age as we can. We're
going to indoctrinate them. We're gonna feed them
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garbage,
DEI,
CRT, whatever the hell we want to. And
and people did it. And I'm thinking to
myself,
yeah. They are stupid. Because either they weren't
listening, they didn't do any reading on what
these two candidates actually stood for, didn't give
a damn about the dishonesty
of, Cheryl,
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and,
just didn't do anything. And the fact that
Republicans didn't get out of their easy
chairs to get to the polling place and
vote is disgusting.
Don't
don't anybody tell me that you didn't vote.
Don't do it because you won't be my
friend anymore.
You failed the test
that made you someone worthy of my attention.
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That's the case.
Yeah. And I'll I'll supplement what you're saying
a little more because this is this is
where it gets into the nooks and crannies.
Galloway lost two Republicans
on township committee. Wow. Egg Harbor Township,
who hasn't had a Democrat
in three decades
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on township committee,
now one in a election.
Summers Point,
same thing. You have a Democrat that is
likely to win
while they're counting the ballots
in
what's been a seven o Republican,
city council.
So you have this on the local level.
You have this on the county level. I
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mean, you look at the numbers. I mean,
good lord. I mean, Arshanker,
respectfully, is lucky that he won by a
thousand votes. Same thing with Rich Days on
the county commissioner board. There's no reason it
should have been that close and yet it
was. Yeah.
Again, this this is
at every single level,
and Mikey Sherrill
can and sadly rightfully claim a mandate
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to reinforce the things that she and the
Democrats want to do. And to your earlier
point, the people that didn't pay attention, maybe
they were stupid, maybe they didn't believe that
Jack could get anything done,
maybe making the pitch that he'd work with
the state legislature. Everyone thought, well, that's pointless
because the Democrats have the majority of Republicans
will never get enough seats. He can't get
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anything done. Nothing gets done on the national
level. So why even bother? You know, executive
orders won't won't last for more than the
time that he's in there. Could he actually
do anything to change it? No. And you
know what the likelihood is? And because I've
talked to a handful of real estate agents
in the last two days, I've been asking,
have you been getting calls?
And the ones that I've talked to have
said, yes. They cannot keep up with the
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phone calls that they're getting from people to
list their house to get out of New
Jersey.
And I suspect that this will get worse
because why?
And this is what's even worse.
A lot of people were led to believe
that this was a tight race one way
or the other.
And that includes people who put their time
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and energy and effort into doing it as
well as donations. I'm sure there's a lot
of pissed off donors right now that that
this was possibly within the realm
of,
winning when lo and behold,
13 points.
Yeah. I mean, that that is so I
mean, again, back to my earlier comment. In
any other
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corporate or office setting, if you
miss your numbers, forecast, whatever it may be,
performance
by that much, I'm sorry, there needs to
be accountability in some form or fashion. And
there needs to be resignations, there needs to
be terminations, blah blah blah. And that's how
you start over. Same thing with sports analogies.
When a team underperforms, they don't make the
playoffs. They don't win the championship.
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Whatever that may be, they have a losing
season. Guess what? Heads roll. There's accountability. It's
not working. Clearly,
what's been going on is not working.
And now Republicans are in the super minority
in the worst position they've been in, probably
in of quite a few decades, probably as
bad as it was in 2001, 2003.
Horrible.
Absolutely horrible.
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I,
I I know that the people that he
had there for his,
maybe first and second runs,
the people who were there who were supposed
to be doing the advertising, getting his name
out there,
doing all the things that you expect,
the people surrounding you and want you you
know, you're paying a lot of money to
them
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to get your face out there, to get
your name out there, to get your agenda
out there. They failed miserably, but they failed
as well the first and second times around.
And I think I think Jack might have
kept
those same people
there for this third run
because
he should have been spending money throughout
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the state into New York City,
and he didn't.
Because every subway, every bus, every every place
that people looked should have had his face
out there.
But instead, the money was kept in certain
pockets. And,
you know, if I'm inundated with someone's face
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and then I actually
feel that, you know, this is his agenda,
oh, sounds pretty good. And if I see
it on a daily basis on the bus
that I take, on the train that I
take, on the subway,
I'm gonna start thinking that maybe this guy
has something to offer me. But when you
don't even put it out there,
well, that's
that's really it's not a mistake. It's something
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that,
the people that you've hired have failed. They
failed you miserably,
and you should never look to them again
to help you out.
Yeah. And I'll and I'll say two things.
I know we're up against a break coming
up. Is it's
he did a tremendous amount of fundraising. There's
no question about that. He did a very
good job fundraising. Could have been better, of
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course, as you could always have, but it's
how you spend those dollars.
And, again,
elections are won by sound bites and snapshots
because people's attention span is dismal. You have
to be able to connect and have a
message that can connect with someone quickly on
a billboard, on a bus, on a,
wherever you're going to see it to try
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to raise that name ID and make it
into easy to understand issues. Pick three issues,
things you're going to do, and how you're
going to do them. And he talked about
that. And, yes, he talked about the nuances.
Some of it was a little too wonky,
and some of it was a little too
complicated.
But the one thing I will say, sadly,
as a morning a Monday morning quarterback is
Jack would have been better off running for
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senate against Andy Tim
after his near
miss in 2021.
And I think he would have been a
great US senator, and he would have beaten
Andy Tim.
And that would be the only Monday morning
quarterback thing that if you could have a
DeLorean and go back in time to change
something, that's that's what we would do. But
here we are, and we're
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we don't have coattails
like we did four years ago with them.
We had the reverse. We had negative coattails
that cost likely five assembly seats. It's to
to now twenty three
Twenty three seats
in the assembly. I know. In out of
80.
It's crazy.
It's a super minority.
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Yeah. Which is why
all those realtors you called are saying people
people with a brain, people who might have
businesses, people who hate high taxes and know
that they're going to go up to spend
more money on a bad education system for
their children, they're gonna wanna leave. They're gonna
wanna go down to South Carolina, to Florida,
to Texas. They're gonna wanna go to a
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place where they understand
whatever their their political views are. They're gonna
be represented,
and they're gonna be well represented. And they're
gonna be able to stand up and speak
to the issues and tell the people who
are there to represent them. You work for
me. This is what I expect. If you
don't do it, I won't vote for you.
We didn't even have a chance with Jack.
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And now we've got someone who's going to
be Murphy too
with miss
Cheryl. So,
and she you know, the fact that she
was dishonest and people still voted for her,
it's absolutely
mind bending
either how stupid we are or how careless
we are or how society has figured out
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that,
honesty doesn't
we're we're trying to make heads or tails
out of what happened
this past Tuesday.
I mean, we we can look at our
own state and understand why people wanna leave
it because it it's been disgraceful what's happened
over the eight years of Murphy. But then
we look at New York City, which is
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supposed to be the financial center of the
world,
and we see that
people there
literally voted
for a socialist who's against capitalism,
and New York City
stands for capitalism.
Brian, what what did you make of that
vote?
Yeah. So I'll preface this by saying that
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voters
get what they vote for,
good and hard.
Good and hard. And they're about to get
that in New York City.
And, truthfully,
the exodus that is going to happen, let's
let's say just for numbers, let's say 10%
of population leaves, and let's just say 15%
of businesses leave.
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That will decimate New York City.
And, again, most of what mom Donnie ran
on, Again, this guy is a few years
younger than me. No job experience.
Total,
Marxist.
No question about it.
And
you take it a step further. Most of
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what he promised, he can't do.
He can't do. And these people
responded.
And you have to dissect this a little
bit because you have to ask the question,
why in guys' name would they vote for
somebody like this? Because
what they perceive
as what was promised to them, the American
dream, fill in the blank, whatever, is that
not working for them. But they don't seem
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to and the same thing with New Jersey,
same thing with Virginia. But these people don't
seem to translate and understand that the reason
that they're in this situation
are the very people they just voted to
put into office.
They don't seem to know how to delineate
that those principles
that Ma'am Dani is trying to push has
been tried and tried and tried and tried,
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and it fails every single time. There's not
one instance of socialism or communism or Marxism
working.
So
they're gonna get what they voted for good
and hard. Granted, it was a majority. It
was 50%. You know, Cuomo got whatever it
was, 40 and change, and and Sligo got
his, whatever, 7%.
But, ultimately,
this
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is going to have reverberations
from a financial standpoint. We already know that
there's gonna be a Texas stock market.
Right? Stock market exchange. I wouldn't be surprised
if a lot of companies
Mhmm. Close-up shop their existing operations in New
York City
and do the final relocation
to Texas
and Florida and these other places as a
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result of this. And people vote with their
feet. We've seen this in New Jersey. And
to tie this back into New Jersey and
and even Virginia,
guess what? My comment about four years ago
that people have died. People have turned 18.
People have moved into New Jersey. People have
left New Jersey. Guess what? A quarter of
a million people in the last four years
have left New Jersey.
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A quarter of a million of people God.
That have likely gone to the Carolinas and
to Florida.
So people are going to react. We're on
this planet for a very short time, and
we're and if we're blessed to have the
many decades that that we would like to
have, that God can grant us,
nobody wants to waste their time in these
kinds of environments
because we've seen the movie before. We know
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how it ends.
So people are going to make decisions
for them, their families, their businesses,
everything
because
we've seen it before. And you tie this
into Virginia.
Right before the break, we talked about
just either they're uninformed or the stupidity of
voters. How does an attorney general candidate
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who has blatantly said that he hopes that
the Republican opponent
in the House of Delegates down there
and his wife
and their children
die
so that they can respond and become Democrats,
so their policies can be shown that it
doesn't work. And that guy is now the
top law enforcement
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officer in the state of Virginia.
So it doesn't even matter, and this goes
back to my earlier point. It's a math
problem.
It's our team versus their team. If there
are more people on their team that have
a d after their name, then that is
what is going to happen because nobody believes
the other side anymore. Because the public discourse
of disagreeing respectfully
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or having opinions.
I would argue our side is fine. If
people don't agree with us, great. Cool. Move
on. You don't like something on TV? You
turn the channel. No problem. The other side
looks at us through a more equivalency lens
and that we are evil if we disagree
with them, that they need to destroy us.
They need to kill us
if we disagree with their worldview,
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which again is in the minority. No matter
what anyone says in the aggregate of this
country,
you know, there's there's these losers that will
consistently say that the country's not MAGA. The
country's not conserved. The country's not this country's
not that. I beg to differ just because
in the little laboratories
of,
constitutional republicanism,
I. E, the states that have shown, and
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there's 19 blue states, there's, you know, the
likely remaining
red states, and you got maybe five or
six or seven,
quote, unquote, purple states, but people like to
migrate
with people who agree with them.
That's just what it is.
So you're gonna have this probably exacerbated.
Well, sure. When he says that he's gonna
raise the corporate business tax on businesses in
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New York City to 11.5%
or six percent.
Five. Yeah.
You have to figure.
Why why would a business stay there? They're
already feeling like they're being screwed over with
the business tax that they now have. And
he's gonna raise it so that why? So
he can give things away to people with
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the excess profits that he believes they're gonna
have. This is a guy, like you say,
he's never run anything.
He is
he's a nothing. He's a nobody, but he's
a socialist
because our kids have been indoctrinated with socialism
since the '19 really heavily into the nineteen
sixties and seventies.
Mhmm. This indoctrination
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has caused these young people to think that
it's okay,
that socialism
is okay. They don't realize it's just a
nice name for communism, and they they haven't
been taught history.
Let's face it. The education system is so
bad that the
the socialist
professors who are teaching in these once great
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colleges and universities
never wanted to get into that. They might
have gone back so that their children that
these children before them would know a lot
about
Marx and Engels and and Stalin and but
they really didn't get into what
happened to those people when their leadership
went to socialism and communism.
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Because they wouldn't
I mean, how can you think that they
would vote
for a a socialist communist for this for
the city of New York City
if they actually knew history, if they were
actually taught this
by the professors in these so called great
schools?
Yeah. And most of the most of these
people have never read Atlas Shrugged. We already
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know how this sense. And And, ultimately,
getting an education,
and when I mean education, I mean informed
experience.
Informed experience
where you can see
that movie before it happens, where you see
the ending before it has to take place.
And unfortunately, people have to live through history.
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They they have to suffer. And like I
said, you're gonna get what you vote for
good and hard, and ultimately,
there's gonna have reverberations. Why did mom Donnie
choose 11.5%?
Because guess what? That matches New Jersey's. Yeah.
Because New Jersey's business environment is crap, and
it's gonna get a lot worse. And now
the political games will continue because Mikey Sherrill
has already advocated
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that we do what Gavin Newsom just did
in California,
redistrict the state of New Jersey from a
congressional standpoint that favors Democrats, favors from a
political standpoint. So the three Republicans,
Van Drew, Chris Smith, and and Tom Kean,
their districts and probably the rest of the
state of New Jersey will be gerrymandered into
oblivion because guess what? You have Democrat in
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the Governor's Mansion. You have Democrat major supermajorities
in
the state
senate and the state assembly.
Nothing's gonna stop them. Nothing's gonna stop them
from doing that. So there's gonna have massive
amounts
of impacts
the likes of which we've never seen. A
lot of people, if you don't feel safe
because sanctuary,
city and sanctuary state policies are are now
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going to continue, there's gonna be illegal alien,
criminals that are rapists, that are murderers, that
are driving on the road, that don't know
how to read our English signs, that are
gonna cause car accidents, that are gonna kill
people. A lot of people are gonna make
the calculation. Why am I gonna stay here?
Why would I do that? Or why am
I gonna pay these costs when I can
literally go anywhere else?
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I mean, these are the decisions that people
are gonna talk about over the holiday break,
and people are gonna make
probably decisions. And that exodus that you and
I talked about before the election,
it is likely to happen in New Jersey.
It's gonna be accelerated. And even worse, New
Jersey is a really stickler of a state
because guess what? All these people that are
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gonna get out of New York City because
of mom Donnie, that are gonna try to
go to Connecticut and New Jersey are gonna
replace
all the people in New Jersey that are
leaving. And you're gonna get bluer
and bluer
and bluer, and the math is not going
to work. And that's why, again, this has
to start from a grassroots standpoint.
You gotta start over. You gotta let the
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freaking vacuum happen with new leadership, and you
gotta get the people who have been tied
to this mess the last ten years
out and get them out fast. Yeah.
Let me ask you something. This really bothered
me during,
this whole campaign,
and that was,
Cheryl put out an ad against,
Jack Ciattarelli.
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It's the 10%. 10%.
10%.
And and
it was a lie.
Why Unrespectful.
It was it was absolutely
successful.
Explain to the people why that
is. Yeah. So and I and I've I
think I shared this with you. I shared
this with members at Liberty and Prosperity.
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Look.
Again,
elections are about sound bites and snapshots,
and it doesn't matter
because in an election,
people can lie and lie and lie. Most
brazen one is Harry Reid and Mitt Romney.
Harry Reid saying that Mitt Romney didn't pay
taxes for years. Yeah. And they were asked
they asked him after the elections, oh, Mitt
Romney's not the president now, is he? And
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they took
Jack Chatterley's words. He was talking about comparisons
to other states
about sales tax that don't have income tax.
And this was an instance with Tennessee. Tennessee
has no income tax, but they have a
higher sales tax.
And he was having a discussion about that,
but they took this out of context, and
they hid it, and they used it. And
a lot of
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people that I speak to that are not
political junkies
that ask me the simple question, does this
guy really wanna raise tax sales tax at
10%? And I was like, no. And they're
like, well, why they why are they using
a commercial like that?
Because you don't have enough time to try
to do anything about this in a political
campaign. People lie. And as a result, what
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if if I'd been asked or if this
was in my situation, I would have literally
taken her exact ad and interrupted it by
walking into
it as the canon saying, this is a
blatant lie. I did not say this. This
is my plan. And you hit that home.
You hit it home. You hit it home.
You hit it home. And you combat it
until that ad is no longer on the
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air. But guess what? That ad was on
the air through election day. Yep. They didn't
go head on. There are some things that
you don't need to respond to, but there
are some things you need to go for
the freaking jugular. You need to take an
ice pick, and you need to put into
the metaphorical
neck of the ad, and you have to
kill it. And that did not happen.
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And, unfortunately,
too many people
believed that
and
responded
because they're assuming that, oh my god. I'm
already taxed property taxes,
income taxes.
I mean, everything under the gun, and now
you're gonna raise sales tax from six or
7% to almost 10%.
No. I'm out. I'm out.
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Yeah. When groceries
and other things that people pay for on
a daily basis
maybe not necessarily groceries, but you know what
I'm saying. Anything that consumer goods that are
purchased, it's gonna cost more because you're paying
tax. Right? And yet there are so many
other instances to talk about in which Jack
did. But, again, it's the nuances. It's complicated
with the energy and everything in between. But
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now we have people Mike and Cheryl talking
about freezing utility rates. So you're gonna freeze
them at the highest rate they've ever been
because of your own party's principles and decisions
that have raised this. And guess what? FYI,
to everyone listening Yeah. The rates are going
up again. Yeah. The rates are going up
again in the next couple months. They deferred
it till after election day. Right. They're going
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up again.
That's right. That $100
you think they gave you back? Uh-uh.
They didn't give you anything.
They they simply made you think that your
your,
rate had gone down. No. It didn't.
No. It didn't. They're gonna expect you to
pay them back that $100 that they took
off your your, electric bill.
It it's too sad
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for words. I I feel
I feel like we we
just threw ourselves into a tragedy.
And I think that the people who are
probably the ones who should
be most aware are people whose kids are
in the school system,
where the indoctrination
will continue
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nonstop, where the sexualization
of our small children,
the grooming of our children will continue because
she's not going to stop it.
And I think to myself, what about all
the kids in the inner city's public school
systems
that don't know how to read by the
time they graduate from high school?
What about the jobs being given four votes
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to those
who don't belong in a classroom?
What about those
those hires
by bad people who are in charge of
one of the most important institutions that we
have in this country? That is our education
system.
What about those people? Will they ever wake
up to the fact that their kids still
don't know how to read? Will they ever
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go to the point where they're gonna give
their kid a book and say, read to
me. I wanna hear you read when they're,
like, 10, 11, 12 years old. They're not
gonna be able to do it. What are
the parents are gonna do then?
Well,
you're you're only telling the beginning of the
story,
unfortunately, because guess where that story leads to?
Those individuals get into jobs,
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and they get into likely low skill or
government jobs,
that impact all of our lives.
And you don't have
the best of the best. You don't have
the skill sets that carries on forever
in terms of execution of jobs where mistakes
are made, where it it could be trivial
or it could be costly in terms of
people's lives. If you don't have someone that
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has basic fundamentals or expertise to do something
and they work on something and then guess
what? It goes wrong and people die.
All those things are going to happen. And
and again, this is what people need to
ask themselves.
Would you mind principles and values measure up
with who's in power in the state of
New Jersey, whether locally or in the county
or statewide, etcetera, etcetera?
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And if they don't, can you find a
pocket where they do?
And can you afford to be in that
pocket? Let's use school as an example. We
can't you don't want your kids in public
school? Can you afford private school? If you
can't afford private school, are you gonna get
another job so you can do that? Can
you get another job? And if you can't
do any of those things and your child
is left being indoctrinated,
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do you want to stay here in the
state of New Jersey?
People are going to make decisions
about their families
unbelievably
because when you think about the fact that
you have to leave your child, whether it's
daycare,
whether it's schooling
with another adult for seven to eight hours
a day that does not share your value
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system,
that is slowly but surely indoctrinating
your child instead of educating them,
what do you think is going to happen
to that child that doesn't have critical thinking
skills yet when they come home
and they start to see everything and they
question. Again, they will try to make them
as unlike their parents as humanly possible, and
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people are going to make decisions on whether
or not while we're on this short
rental space of time on this planet,
if it's worth it. And that's unfortunately what
a lot of people are coming
to the conclusion with, or
you forget all that and you just accept
it, and it just is what it is,
and you you go to a dark place.
But I again, I refuse to. Everything
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that's done can be undone.
It's just a matter of how much time
and whether or not you let
you gotta put the right people in the
right positions to do things, and you gotta
get these people out that have egos that
are not qualified, that do things for the
wrong reasons, etcetera, etcetera, and you have to
do it. And you have to have competition.
You have to have an exchange of ideas.
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It's gotta get really in the mud and
dirty if it has to, and you gotta
fight for those principles.
Otherwise, what's the point? What's the point? Because
the amount of people
that will leave
in the coming months because of Tuesday's result
is gonna be exponential.
I guarantee it.
Well,
it's scary to think
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that people
voted for who they voted for,
whether it's mom Donnie, whether it's
it's Cheryl, whether it's,
Jay Jones,
the
the new attorney general. Dearest god almighty.
Here's a man, like you said,
he threatened he wanted to see his,
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Republican opponent and two of his children
murdered with bullets
killed
to
to Die in their mother's arms. Die in
their mother's arms. Yeah. And and people voted
for this man.
Weren't there enough ads out there perhaps telling
people who Jay Jones was? Maybe that was
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something that went wrong with these agencies
that think they're so smart and are given
a hell of a lot of money, but
don't spend it on the right things, the
right stories,
at the right timetable.
These these agencies, each and every one of
them,
they should have a a black mark against
them
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because they did a terrible job.
If they had done a good enough job,
it would have been we might have still
lost, but it would have been a hell
of a lot closer.
They did a terrible job, and not one
of them should go out there and say,
oh, yeah. I worked on this,
this, campaign.
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Because if they if they admit to it,
they're admitting to total failure.
The ability to to think
beyond what was and to come up with
new ideas that really will make a difference.
Too sad. Brian, we got a lot of
the vitriol out of our system today, I
think.
But
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if only our words
meant something to the people who
who are going to have to face what
New Jersey what's gonna happen to New Jersey
because of who they voted for or
who they didn't vote for because they didn't
bother to get up and vote at all.
And and all I can say is that
you and I will have our talks,
and we will commiserate.
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And who knows? Maybe we'll even move.
But, Brian, thank you as always for being
here with us. You were great.
Yeah. Thanks for having me. It's always a
pleasure to to digest and talk and try
to objectively analyze a lot of this stuff.
It's it's tough, but this is where we
are, and, we fought on. You know, it's
not the end of the story.
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It's just a new battle. That's right. That's
right. A new chapter. We're going for a
new chapter now. Let's try and rewrite it.
Anyway, Brian Fitzherbert, thank you so much, Brian.
I'll talk to you soon. Take care. Sounds
good. Bye.
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And as I promised, we've got Brian Fitzherbert
on on Fitzherbert Friday. Good morning, Brian. How
the heck are you?
Good morning, Anne. Thanks for having me on.
Have you recovered yet from Tuesday?
Yeah. You know,
There's so much there to digest
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and break down that, you know, I
I've been listening
a lot.
You know, there's always gonna be the Monday
morning quarterback or this, that, and the other
thing after the fact, but
the my first instinct or my first thought
that comes to mind just
from a structural standpoint is if this happened
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from
a nonpolitical standpoint, right, from a corporate standpoint
or from anywhere else, anyone who is tied
to it responsibly wise would either be terminated
or they would have the decency to resign
as
con contributing to this because,
I mean, 13
loss
statewide
Mhmm.
Over 400,000
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vote delta and still climbing,
and likely
five
assembly seats lost by the GOP
that
solidifies
a permanent,
super minority
for Republicans.
And what's even more baffling
is
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Republican leadership in the state legislature doubled down
and
elected the same leaders
Mhmm.
To continue forward when the last two election
cycles, the losses have been
tremendous. I mean, I I think it's something
like 12 seats in the last two election
cycles. So performance matters.
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And in the real world, usually, like I
said, there's accountability for that. And
so far, and it's only been three days,
four days,
it doesn't look like anything's changing. And people
also need to remember,
New Jersey is a blue state. New Jersey
has been a blue state for a quarter
of a century.
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And
these ideas of trying to moderate
or any of this other nonsense by,
abandoning
principles
of either the Republican Party or or the
big tent that includes that's libertarians, conservative,
Trump supporters, etcetera,
constitutionalists
is
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the exact wrong way to go. Because as
we've seen, even with the likely five seats,
including right here in the 2nd District, I
mean, with,
Claire Claire Swift,
there's she's down.
She's fourth. You know, Don Guardian, it probably
has an election even though he's been certified.
He's probably won. And then there's two Democrats
that nobody's ever heard of. Never. And then
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there's Clark Swift.
And
even with I last knowledge I had, I
think there was, like, 1,400
provisional ballots,
and there's probably about 600
vote by mail ballots that have to be
so about 2,000
ballots to be reviewed.
I highly doubt that this is gonna allow
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for Assemblywoman Claire Swift to pull out a
victory.
And,
again, it she's not the only one, you
know, in the 8th District, which also has
one one town of Atlantic,
County with Hamilton,
the incumbent and the challenger
Republicans
lost.
And then there was other places throughout the
state. And, again, the argument
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and I'm I'm really not trying to point
a finger. I'm trying to objectively analyze this.
But if someone
has an option
of and I'll try to use ice cream
because that's the easiest analogy I can come
up with. You have,
chocolate and vanilla. Right? Vanilla is Republican. Chocolate
is Democrats.
Well, let's make it even more more prevalent.
Let's say dark chocolate.
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If a Republican
tries to act like chocolate and the Democrats
are dark chocolate, why is anyone gonna vote
for chocolate when they can get the real
thing of dark chocolate? They're not gonna go
for a light version when they can get
the real thing.
So, again, trying to adopt
or moderate, in my view,
Democrat positions is not gonna is not gonna
get anywhere. You need to have a contrast.
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You need to have a comparison.
And even further,
this is what's even more,
more concerning
as a whole
is,
guess what? It was
their team versus our team. And guess what?
Their team has more people on their team.
800,000
more people on their team. It didn't matter
what any Republican
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said or was going to say
to try to convince someone's vote
because no one believes anybody anymore. Nobody believes
messaging anymore, not that we even had good
messaging. That's another story we can we can
dive into, but nobody even believes. So if
you have a d after your name and
you're part of team blue and you're part
of the Democratic party, you're voting for a
Democrat.
Same thing with Republican. It's a math problem.
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That's what it comes down to. It's a
simple numbers game. The fundamental thing that any
and all Republican organizations should be spending their
time doing is registering people to vote, which
does not happen in this state. It's really
bad.
And even further,
again,
the notion that
and respectfully with what I'm about to say.
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The notion that four years ago, Jack lost
by 85,000 votes and three points, and that
we just need to pick up a little
bit more, and, you know, we're there. We
can build on the build on that existing
thing. Well, that turned out to not be
the case because he lost by an additional
10 points, 13 points total. And what's happened
in the last four years? People have died.
People have turned 18. People have moved to
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New Jersey. People have left New Jersey.
The political environment is different. It is now
a Republican
in the White House, not a Democrat.
It is a Democrat
incumbent four years ago that was seeking reelection
with Phil Murphy. This time around, it was
an open seat. Mikey Sherrill appeared, quote, unquote,
like a fresh new face, and we can
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get into the details of that. But the
political environment
was different.
And now
the sad commentary is that if someone like
Jack Ciattarelli,
who
I I applaud him for putting his name
on the ballot, for campaigning, for spending the
amount of time, energy,
etcetera, that he has in the last decade.
If an individual like Jack Ciattarelli can run
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three times for governor,
have the name ID that he had, raise
the tens of millions of dollars that he
had, and still lose and not only lose,
I mean, respectfully, get completely slaughtered
by 13 points,
the Republicans have a long way to go
to win anything statewide,
much less attract a candidate that's gonna waste,
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quote, unquote, waste their time doing so.
Because we've now seen
multiple instances of this. Bob Hugan,
six, seven years ago, ran for US senate.
He used 40,000,000 of his own money, lost
by 10 points minutes after the polls closed.
So statewide in terms of US Senate and
the Governor's Mansion
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look like a really Herculean effort, especially with
what Jack just demonstrated with all the hard
work that he has put in in the
last decade
and to lose by 13 points.
He's the only candidate who had an agenda,
who talked about what he was going to
do
to fix New Jersey, which needs fixing desperately.
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And yet, you know, I I don't know.
John tells me I shouldn't call people stupid.
But when,
we found out what the results of the
election were on Tuesday, he said, well, maybe
you're right.
Maybe the people really are stupid because they
obviously didn't do any research.
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So I I mean, that that could be
a contributing factor. But, again, the fundamental
is a math problem in the amount of
people.
And, again, there's an 800,000
delta in voter registration. That's not withstanding any
other things in terms of turnout. Our turnout,
I don't even think cracked 45%
for Republicans.
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Yeah. What a shameful thing.
So the other thing is and then you
can get into strategy. Right? I I personally,
would have had
Donald Trump
beg Donald Trump to do a campaign rally
in New Jersey. And the argument against that
is gonna be, oh, Donald Trump, you know,
he's gonna motivate Democrats
to come out to the polls and vote.
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Well, we know that already. They already don't
like him. They want this is the first
opportunity for national Democrats or statewide Democrats to
give the middle finger to Donald Trump because
of the first major election after one year
since he's since he himself was elected. So
they were already gonna be motivated, not notwithstanding
his successes that they can't stand because he's
Donald Trump and he's successful.
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So if you already know that people are
gonna come out to vote and they're gonna
be motivated to vote, why not do the
double edged sword and say, yeah. Let's get
Donald Trump here. He's gonna motivate Democrats to
come out. But guess what? He's gonna motivate
Republicans to come out too because there is
nobody better
in the last
ten to fifteen years better at getting Republicans
to the polls than Donald Trump. And Donald
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Trump
has more statewide votes than any Republican in
my lifetime in the state of New Jersey
as was evident in 2024. But why didn't
Donald know that? Why didn't Donald actually come?
Instead of using the phone, why didn't he
come? I mean, it's like,
with Winston,
the, Virginia.
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Really? I mean, why didn't he do that?
So a few things there. So you brought
up the Virginia race, which is also really
telling. Virginia is a less populous state than
New Jersey by a million. And yet when
some Sears
got more Republican votes than Jack Ciattarelli in
total numbers,
that's also really bad because more Republicans in
Virginia
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came out to vote for her who was
anti Trump,
was not a fan of Donald Trump, trashed
Donald Trump,
and still lost by double digits, but still
got more
votes
statewide in a less populous state than Jack
Choir really did here in New Jersey. Now
with regard to why Donald Trump didn't come
here, I suspect,
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I don't have any proof, but I suspect
that those
expensive consultants
that took all of Jack's money Mhmm.
Told him that
Donald Trump physically in the state of New
Jersey will hurt you, and don't do it.
And that's likely what
probably
deterred Donald Trump from getting involved further than
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to
tele town halls. Look. People like to see
Donald Trump. They like to wait in line
for Donald Trump.
They will wait in line in the cold.
They will wait in line in the heat.
They will wait in line in the snow
and the rain and everything in between to
see what Donald Trump has to say and
to who he directs and leads them to
support. Yep. And he motivates them. And, yes,
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he does motivate Democrats to come out. There's
no question about it. But the Democrats did
not hesitate
to bring in Barack Obama twice to the
Garden State in person for a rally.
Same thing with other elected
governors
nearby.
Respectfully,
Jack brought in candidates
that were running for governor next year to
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help him campaign.
I didn't see that many other than the
leader of the Republican Governors Association,
governor Brian Kemp from Georgia,
in the state of New Jersey.
And I I get it. Maybe the strategy
was to keep it to state issues.
But the thing that nailed Jack, among other
things I mean, you he's look. He's gonna
be beating himself up more than anybody else,
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and there's no reason to pile on, but
we can try to objectively
analyze
to find lessons learned so that we can
grow and do better next time. Because guess
what? We sadly are, as Republicans,
are going to be in the super minority
for quite some time. You bet. It's going
to take a significant amount of time to
find
a way to get 18 seats in state
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assembly
to get one of the chambers.
Crazy. And you have to do it in
baby steps.
It's crazy.
Crazy that that people actually don't mind the
high taxes, the high
energy cost, that they don't mind the the
piss poor education
that their children are getting in the inner
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city schools, public schools, that they don't care
about school choice, that they don't care about
saving money
on property taxes, that they don't give a
damn about the elderly
having to continue to pay high taxes,
when we know that Jack had said, you're
70 years old. Whatever you're paying now, it's
never gonna go up.
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That people actually
either they weren't listening
or they didn't think it was good enough,
what he was giving. But she gave nothing.
She said same old, same old. We're gonna
do the same thing that that Murphy is
doing now. We're gonna take your kids from
as young an age as we can. We're
going to indoctrinate them. We're gonna feed them
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garbage,
DEI,
CRT, whatever the hell we want to. And
and people did it. And I'm thinking to
myself,
yeah. They are stupid. Because either they weren't
listening, they didn't do any reading on what
these two candidates actually stood for, didn't give
a damn about the dishonesty
of, Cheryl,
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and,
just didn't do anything. And the fact that
Republicans didn't get out of their easy
chairs to get to the polling place and
vote is disgusting.
Don't
don't anybody tell me that you didn't vote.
Don't do it because you won't be my
friend anymore.
You failed the test
that made you someone worthy of my attention.
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That's the case.
Yeah. And I'll I'll supplement what you're saying
a little more because this is this is
where it gets into the nooks and crannies.
Galloway lost two Republicans
on township committee. Wow. Egg Harbor Township,
who hasn't had a Democrat
in three decades
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on township committee,
now one in a election.
Summers Point,
same thing. You have a Democrat that is
likely to win
while they're counting the ballots
in
what's been a seven o Republican,
city council.
So you have this on the local level.
You have this on the county level. I
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mean, you look at the numbers. I mean,
good lord. I mean, Arshanker,
respectfully, is lucky that he won by a
thousand votes. Same thing with Rich Days on
the county commissioner board. There's no reason it
should have been that close and yet it
was. Yeah.
Again, this this is
at every single level,
and Mikey Sherrill
can and sadly rightfully claim a mandate
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to reinforce the things that she and the
Democrats want to do. And to your earlier
point, the people that didn't pay attention, maybe
they were stupid, maybe they didn't believe that
Jack could get anything done,
maybe making the pitch that he'd work with
the state legislature. Everyone thought, well, that's pointless
because the Democrats have the majority of Republicans
will never get enough seats. He can't get
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anything done. Nothing gets done on the national
level. So why even bother? You know, executive
orders won't won't last for more than the
time that he's in there. Could he actually
do anything to change it? No. And you
know what the likelihood is? And because I've
talked to a handful of real estate agents
in the last two days, I've been asking,
have you been getting calls?
And the ones that I've talked to have
said, yes. They cannot keep up with the
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phone calls that they're getting from people to
list their house to get out of New
Jersey.
And I suspect that this will get worse
because why?
And this is what's even worse.
A lot of people were led to believe
that this was a tight race one way
or the other.
And that includes people who put their time
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and energy and effort into doing it as
well as donations. I'm sure there's a lot
of pissed off donors right now that that
this was possibly within the realm
of,
winning when lo and behold,
13 points.
Yeah. I mean, that that is so I
mean, again, back to my earlier comment. In
any other
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corporate or office setting, if you
miss your numbers, forecast, whatever it may be,
performance
by that much, I'm sorry, there needs to
be accountability in some form or fashion. And
there needs to be resignations, there needs to
be terminations, blah blah blah. And that's how
you start over. Same thing with sports analogies.
When a team underperforms, they don't make the
playoffs. They don't win the championship.
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Whatever that may be, they have a losing
season. Guess what? Heads roll. There's accountability. It's
not working. Clearly,
what's been going on is not working.
And now Republicans are in the super minority
in the worst position they've been in, probably
in of quite a few decades, probably as
bad as it was in 2001, 2003.
Horrible.
Absolutely horrible.
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I,
I I know that the people that he
had there for his,
maybe first and second runs,
the people who were there who were supposed
to be doing the advertising, getting his name
out there,
doing all the things that you expect,
the people surrounding you and want you you
know, you're paying a lot of money to
them
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to get your face out there, to get
your name out there, to get your agenda
out there. They failed miserably, but they failed
as well the first and second times around.
And I think I think Jack might have
kept
those same people
there for this third run
because
he should have been spending money throughout
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the state into New York City,
and he didn't.
Because every subway, every bus, every every place
that people looked should have had his face
out there.
But instead, the money was kept in certain
pockets. And,
you know, if I'm inundated with someone's face
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and then I actually
feel that, you know, this is his agenda,
oh, sounds pretty good. And if I see
it on a daily basis on the bus
that I take, on the train that I
take, on the subway,
I'm gonna start thinking that maybe this guy
has something to offer me. But when you
don't even put it out there,
well, that's
that's really it's not a mistake. It's something
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that,
the people that you've hired have failed. They
failed you miserably,
and you should never look to them again
to help you out.
Yeah. And I'll and I'll say two things.
I know we're up against a break coming
up. Is it's
he did a tremendous amount of fundraising. There's
no question about that. He did a very
good job fundraising. Could have been better, of
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course, as you could always have, but it's
how you spend those dollars.
And, again,
elections are won by sound bites and snapshots
because people's attention span is dismal. You have
to be able to connect and have a
message that can connect with someone quickly on
a billboard, on a bus, on a,
wherever you're going to see it to try
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to raise that name ID and make it
into easy to understand issues. Pick three issues,
things you're going to do, and how you're
going to do them. And he talked about
that. And, yes, he talked about the nuances.
Some of it was a little too wonky,
and some of it was a little too
complicated.
But the one thing I will say, sadly,
as a morning a Monday morning quarterback is
Jack would have been better off running for
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senate against Andy Tim
after his near
miss in 2021.
And I think he would have been a
great US senator, and he would have beaten
Andy Tim.
And that would be the only Monday morning
quarterback thing that if you could have a
DeLorean and go back in time to change
something, that's that's what we would do. But
here we are, and we're
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we don't have coattails
like we did four years ago with them.
We had the reverse. We had negative coattails
that cost likely five assembly seats. It's to
to now twenty three
Twenty three seats
in the assembly. I know. In out of
80.
It's crazy.
It's a super minority.
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Yeah. Which is why
all those realtors you called are saying people
people with a brain, people who might have
businesses, people who hate high taxes and know
that they're going to go up to spend
more money on a bad education system for
their children, they're gonna wanna leave. They're gonna
wanna go down to South Carolina, to Florida,
to Texas. They're gonna wanna go to a
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place where they understand
whatever their their political views are. They're gonna
be represented,
and they're gonna be well represented. And they're
gonna be able to stand up and speak
to the issues and tell the people who
are there to represent them. You work for
me. This is what I expect. If you
don't do it, I won't vote for you.
We didn't even have a chance with Jack.
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And now we've got someone who's going to
be Murphy too
with miss
Cheryl. So,
and she you know, the fact that she
was dishonest and people still voted for her,
it's absolutely
mind bending
either how stupid we are or how careless
we are or how society has figured out
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that,
honesty doesn't
we're we're trying to make heads or tails
out of what happened
this past Tuesday.
I mean, we we can look at our
own state and understand why people wanna leave
it because it it's been disgraceful what's happened
over the eight years of Murphy. But then
we look at New York City, which is
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supposed to be the financial center of the
world,
and we see that
people there
literally voted
for a socialist who's against capitalism,
and New York City
stands for capitalism.
Brian, what what did you make of that
vote?
Yeah. So I'll preface this by saying that
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voters
get what they vote for,
good and hard.
Good and hard. And they're about to get
that in New York City.
And, truthfully,
the exodus that is going to happen, let's
let's say just for numbers, let's say 10%
of population leaves, and let's just say 15%
of businesses leave.
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That will decimate New York City.
And, again, most of what mom Donnie ran
on, Again, this guy is a few years
younger than me. No job experience.
Total,
Marxist.
No question about it.
And
you take it a step further. Most of
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what he promised, he can't do.
He can't do. And these people
responded.
And you have to dissect this a little
bit because you have to ask the question,
why in guys' name would they vote for
somebody like this? Because
what they perceive
as what was promised to them, the American
dream, fill in the blank, whatever, is that
not working for them. But they don't seem
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to and the same thing with New Jersey,
same thing with Virginia. But these people don't
seem to translate and understand that the reason
that they're in this situation
are the very people they just voted to
put into office.
They don't seem to know how to delineate
that those principles
that Ma'am Dani is trying to push has
been tried and tried and tried and tried,
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and it fails every single time. There's not
one instance of socialism or communism or Marxism
working.
So
they're gonna get what they voted for good
and hard. Granted, it was a majority. It
was 50%. You know, Cuomo got whatever it
was, 40 and change, and and Sligo got
his, whatever, 7%.
But, ultimately,
this
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is going to have reverberations
from a financial standpoint. We already know that
there's gonna be a Texas stock market.
Right? Stock market exchange. I wouldn't be surprised
if a lot of companies
Mhmm. Close-up shop their existing operations in New
York City
and do the final relocation
to Texas
and Florida and these other places as a
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result of this. And people vote with their
feet. We've seen this in New Jersey. And
to tie this back into New Jersey and
and even Virginia,
guess what? My comment about four years ago
that people have died. People have turned 18.
People have moved into New Jersey. People have
left New Jersey. Guess what? A quarter of
a million people in the last four years
have left New Jersey.
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A quarter of a million of people God.
That have likely gone to the Carolinas and
to Florida.
So people are going to react. We're on
this planet for a very short time, and
we're and if we're blessed to have the
many decades that that we would like to
have, that God can grant us,
nobody wants to waste their time in these
kinds of environments
because we've seen the movie before. We know
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how it ends.
So people are going to make decisions
for them, their families, their businesses,
everything
because
we've seen it before. And you tie this
into Virginia.
Right before the break, we talked about
just either they're uninformed or the stupidity of
voters. How does an attorney general candidate
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who has blatantly said that he hopes that
the Republican opponent
in the House of Delegates down there
and his wife
and their children
die
so that they can respond and become Democrats,
so their policies can be shown that it
doesn't work. And that guy is now the
top law enforcement
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officer in the state of Virginia.
So it doesn't even matter, and this goes
back to my earlier point. It's a math
problem.
It's our team versus their team. If there
are more people on their team that have
a d after their name, then that is
what is going to happen because nobody believes
the other side anymore. Because the public discourse
of disagreeing respectfully
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or having opinions.
I would argue our side is fine. If
people don't agree with us, great. Cool. Move
on. You don't like something on TV? You
turn the channel. No problem. The other side
looks at us through a more equivalency lens
and that we are evil if we disagree
with them, that they need to destroy us.
They need to kill us
if we disagree with their worldview,
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which again is in the minority. No matter
what anyone says in the aggregate of this
country,
you know, there's there's these losers that will
consistently say that the country's not MAGA. The
country's not conserved. The country's not this country's
not that. I beg to differ just because
in the little laboratories
of,
constitutional republicanism,
I. E, the states that have shown, and
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there's 19 blue states, there's, you know, the
likely remaining
red states, and you got maybe five or
six or seven,
quote, unquote, purple states, but people like to
migrate
with people who agree with them.
That's just what it is.
So you're gonna have this probably exacerbated.
Well, sure. When he says that he's gonna
raise the corporate business tax on businesses in
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New York City to 11.5%
or six percent.
Five. Yeah.
You have to figure.
Why why would a business stay there? They're
already feeling like they're being screwed over with
the business tax that they now have. And
he's gonna raise it so that why? So
he can give things away to people with
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the excess profits that he believes they're gonna
have. This is a guy, like you say,
he's never run anything.
He is
he's a nothing. He's a nobody, but he's
a socialist
because our kids have been indoctrinated with socialism
since the '19 really heavily into the nineteen
sixties and seventies.
Mhmm. This indoctrination
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has caused these young people to think that
it's okay,
that socialism
is okay. They don't realize it's just a
nice name for communism, and they they haven't
been taught history.
Let's face it. The education system is so
bad that the
the socialist
professors who are teaching in these once great
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colleges and universities
never wanted to get into that. They might
have gone back so that their children that
these children before them would know a lot
about
Marx and Engels and and Stalin and but
they really didn't get into what
happened to those people when their leadership
went to socialism and communism.
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Because they wouldn't
I mean, how can you think that they
would vote
for a a socialist communist for this for
the city of New York City
if they actually knew history, if they were
actually taught this
by the professors in these so called great
schools?
Yeah. And most of the most of these
people have never read Atlas Shrugged. We already
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know how this sense. And And, ultimately,
getting an education,
and when I mean education, I mean informed
experience.
Informed experience
where you can see
that movie before it happens, where you see
the ending before it has to take place.
And unfortunately, people have to live through history.
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They they have to suffer. And like I
said, you're gonna get what you vote for
good and hard, and ultimately,
there's gonna have reverberations. Why did mom Donnie
choose 11.5%?
Because guess what? That matches New Jersey's. Yeah.
Because New Jersey's business environment is crap, and
it's gonna get a lot worse. And now
the political games will continue because Mikey Sherrill
has already advocated
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that we do what Gavin Newsom just did
in California,
redistrict the state of New Jersey from a
congressional standpoint that favors Democrats, favors from a
political standpoint. So the three Republicans,
Van Drew, Chris Smith, and and Tom Kean,
their districts and probably the rest of the
state of New Jersey will be gerrymandered into
oblivion because guess what? You have Democrat in
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the Governor's Mansion. You have Democrat major supermajorities
in
the state
senate and the state assembly.
Nothing's gonna stop them. Nothing's gonna stop them
from doing that. So there's gonna have massive
amounts
of impacts
the likes of which we've never seen. A
lot of people, if you don't feel safe
because sanctuary,
city and sanctuary state policies are are now
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going to continue, there's gonna be illegal alien,
criminals that are rapists, that are murderers, that
are driving on the road, that don't know
how to read our English signs, that are
gonna cause car accidents, that are gonna kill
people. A lot of people are gonna make
the calculation. Why am I gonna stay here?
Why would I do that? Or why am
I gonna pay these costs when I can
literally go anywhere else?
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I mean, these are the decisions that people
are gonna talk about over the holiday break,
and people are gonna make
probably decisions. And that exodus that you and
I talked about before the election,
it is likely to happen in New Jersey.
It's gonna be accelerated. And even worse, New
Jersey is a really stickler of a state
because guess what? All these people that are
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gonna get out of New York City because
of mom Donnie, that are gonna try to
go to Connecticut and New Jersey are gonna
replace
all the people in New Jersey that are
leaving. And you're gonna get bluer
and bluer
and bluer, and the math is not going
to work. And that's why, again, this has
to start from a grassroots standpoint.
You gotta start over. You gotta let the
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freaking vacuum happen with new leadership, and you
gotta get the people who have been tied
to this mess the last ten years
out and get them out fast. Yeah.
Let me ask you something. This really bothered
me during,
this whole campaign,
and that was,
Cheryl put out an ad against,
Jack Ciattarelli.
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It's the 10%. 10%.
10%.
And and
it was a lie.
Why Unrespectful.
It was it was absolutely
successful.
Explain to the people why that
is. Yeah. So and I and I've I
think I shared this with you. I shared
this with members at Liberty and Prosperity.
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Look.
Again,
elections are about sound bites and snapshots,
and it doesn't matter
because in an election,
people can lie and lie and lie. Most
brazen one is Harry Reid and Mitt Romney.
Harry Reid saying that Mitt Romney didn't pay
taxes for years. Yeah. And they were asked
they asked him after the elections, oh, Mitt
Romney's not the president now, is he? And
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they took
Jack Chatterley's words. He was talking about comparisons
to other states
about sales tax that don't have income tax.
And this was an instance with Tennessee. Tennessee
has no income tax, but they have a
higher sales tax.
And he was having a discussion about that,
but they took this out of context, and
they hid it, and they used it. And
a lot of
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people that I speak to that are not
political junkies
that ask me the simple question, does this
guy really wanna raise tax sales tax at
10%? And I was like, no. And they're
like, well, why they why are they using
a commercial like that?
Because you don't have enough time to try
to do anything about this in a political
campaign. People lie. And as a result, what
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if if I'd been asked or if this
was in my situation, I would have literally
taken her exact ad and interrupted it by
walking into
it as the canon saying, this is a
blatant lie. I did not say this. This
is my plan. And you hit that home.
You hit it home. You hit it home.
You hit it home. And you combat it
until that ad is no longer on the
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air. But guess what? That ad was on
the air through election day. Yep. They didn't
go head on. There are some things that
you don't need to respond to, but there
are some things you need to go for
the freaking jugular. You need to take an
ice pick, and you need to put into
the metaphorical
neck of the ad, and you have to
kill it. And that did not happen.
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And, unfortunately,
too many people
believed that
and
responded
because they're assuming that, oh my god. I'm
already taxed property taxes,
income taxes.
I mean, everything under the gun, and now
you're gonna raise sales tax from six or
7% to almost 10%.
No. I'm out. I'm out.
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Yeah. When groceries
and other things that people pay for on
a daily basis
maybe not necessarily groceries, but you know what
I'm saying. Anything that consumer goods that are
purchased, it's gonna cost more because you're paying
tax. Right? And yet there are so many
other instances to talk about in which Jack
did. But, again, it's the nuances. It's complicated
with the energy and everything in between. But
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now we have people Mike and Cheryl talking
about freezing utility rates. So you're gonna freeze
them at the highest rate they've ever been
because of your own party's principles and decisions
that have raised this. And guess what? FYI,
to everyone listening Yeah. The rates are going
up again. Yeah. The rates are going up
again in the next couple months. They deferred
it till after election day. Right. They're going
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up again.
That's right. That $100
you think they gave you back? Uh-uh.
They didn't give you anything.
They they simply made you think that your
your,
rate had gone down. No. It didn't.
No. It didn't. They're gonna expect you to
pay them back that $100 that they took
off your your, electric bill.
It it's too sad
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for words. I I feel
I feel like we we
just threw ourselves into a tragedy.
And I think that the people who are
probably the ones who should
be most aware are people whose kids are
in the school system,
where the indoctrination
will continue
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nonstop, where the sexualization
of our small children,
the grooming of our children will continue because
she's not going to stop it.
And I think to myself, what about all
the kids in the inner city's public school
systems
that don't know how to read by the
time they graduate from high school?
What about the jobs being given four votes
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to those
who don't belong in a classroom?
What about those
those hires
by bad people who are in charge of
one of the most important institutions that we
have in this country? That is our education
system.
What about those people? Will they ever wake
up to the fact that their kids still
don't know how to read? Will they ever
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go to the point where they're gonna give
their kid a book and say, read to
me. I wanna hear you read when they're,
like, 10, 11, 12 years old. They're not
gonna be able to do it. What are
the parents are gonna do then?
Well,
you're you're only telling the beginning of the
story,
unfortunately, because guess where that story leads to?
Those individuals get into jobs,
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and they get into likely low skill or
government jobs,
that impact all of our lives.
And you don't have
the best of the best. You don't have
the skill sets that carries on forever
in terms of execution of jobs where mistakes
are made, where it it could be trivial
or it could be costly in terms of
people's lives. If you don't have someone that
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has basic fundamentals or expertise to do something
and they work on something and then guess
what? It goes wrong and people die.
All those things are going to happen. And
and again, this is what people need to
ask themselves.
Would you mind principles and values measure up
with who's in power in the state of
New Jersey, whether locally or in the county
or statewide, etcetera, etcetera?
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And if they don't, can you find a
pocket where they do?
And can you afford to be in that
pocket? Let's use school as an example. We
can't you don't want your kids in public
school? Can you afford private school? If you
can't afford private school, are you gonna get
another job so you can do that? Can
you get another job? And if you can't
do any of those things and your child
is left being indoctrinated,
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do you want to stay here in the
state of New Jersey?
People are going to make decisions
about their families
unbelievably
because when you think about the fact that
you have to leave your child, whether it's
daycare,
whether it's schooling
with another adult for seven to eight hours
a day that does not share your value
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system,
that is slowly but surely indoctrinating
your child instead of educating them,
what do you think is going to happen
to that child that doesn't have critical thinking
skills yet when they come home
and they start to see everything and they
question. Again, they will try to make them
as unlike their parents as humanly possible, and
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people are going to make decisions on whether
or not while we're on this short
rental space of time on this planet,
if it's worth it. And that's unfortunately what
a lot of people are coming
to the conclusion with, or
you forget all that and you just accept
it, and it just is what it is,
and you you go to a dark place.
But I again, I refuse to. Everything
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that's done can be undone.
It's just a matter of how much time
and whether or not you let
you gotta put the right people in the
right positions to do things, and you gotta
get these people out that have egos that
are not qualified, that do things for the
wrong reasons, etcetera, etcetera, and you have to
do it. And you have to have competition.
You have to have an exchange of ideas.
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It's gotta get really in the mud and
dirty if it has to, and you gotta
fight for those principles.
Otherwise, what's the point? What's the point? Because
the amount of people
that will leave
in the coming months because of Tuesday's result
is gonna be exponential.
I guarantee it.
Well,
it's scary to think
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that people
voted for who they voted for,
whether it's mom Donnie, whether it's
it's Cheryl, whether it's,
Jay Jones,
the
the new attorney general. Dearest god almighty.
Here's a man, like you said,
he threatened he wanted to see his,
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Republican opponent and two of his children
murdered with bullets
killed
to
to Die in their mother's arms. Die in
their mother's arms. Yeah. And and people voted
for this man.
Weren't there enough ads out there perhaps telling
people who Jay Jones was? Maybe that was
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something that went wrong with these agencies
that think they're so smart and are given
a hell of a lot of money, but
don't spend it on the right things, the
right stories,
at the right timetable.
These these agencies, each and every one of
them,
they should have a a black mark against
them
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because they did a terrible job.
If they had done a good enough job,
it would have been we might have still
lost, but it would have been a hell
of a lot closer.
They did a terrible job, and not one
of them should go out there and say,
oh, yeah. I worked on this,
this, campaign.
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Because if they if they admit to it,
they're admitting to total failure.
The ability to to think
beyond what was and to come up with
new ideas that really will make a difference.
Too sad. Brian, we got a lot of
the vitriol out of our system today, I
think.
But
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if only our words
meant something to the people who
who are going to have to face what
New Jersey what's gonna happen to New Jersey
because of who they voted for or
who they didn't vote for because they didn't
bother to get up and vote at all.
And and all I can say is that
you and I will have our talks,
and we will commiserate.
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And who knows? Maybe we'll even move.
But, Brian, thank you as always for being
here with us. You were great.
Yeah. Thanks for having me. It's always a
pleasure to to digest and talk and try
to objectively analyze a lot of this stuff.
It's it's tough, but this is where we
are, and, we fought on. You know, it's
not the end of the story.
(42:00):
It's just a new battle. That's right. That's
right. A new chapter. We're going for a
new chapter now. Let's try and rewrite it.
Anyway, Brian Fitzherbert, thank you so much, Brian.
I'll talk to you soon. Take care. Sounds
good. Bye.
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