August 25, 2025 • 39 mins
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Brian Fitzherbert, president of Liberty and Prosperity, joins Anne Baker on WOND RADIO 'Talking w/Anne' for 'Fitzherbert Friday'.
Brian and Anne discuss a whole host of topics, including dealing with Putin, treasury secretary Scott Bessent, and the Atlantic County Young Republicans club."
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This is the place.
Talking with Anne on new stock fourteen hundred
and ninety two point three w o n
d. Here's your host, Anne Baker.
Good morning, everyone. This is Anne Baker on
Talking with Anne, and I am here with
Brian Fitzherbert on Fitzherbert Friday.
Brian, you're looking spiffy, sir.
Freedom USA,
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United States Of
America.
Yeah. As as
a AP history,
teacher told me in high school and dubbed
me Super Patriot because I always wear America
paraphernalia. So, yeah, hasn't changed in twenty, twenty
five years. No. No. And it shouldn't. It
absolutely shouldn't. We are,
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I don't know.
I'm I'm really interested in Ukraine. I'm interested
in what mister Putin is going to do.
I'm really interested in your thoughts about
what's gonna happen
when they sit down because mister Putin is
he's a dictator. He is not a good
person. He lies continually.
He promises things and then,
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goes and does exactly what he's promised not
to.
And I just wonder with what they're gonna
be sitting down and discussing,
what's your take on what,
president Zelensky is going to do and what
president Trump may be pushing president Zelensky to
do?
Yeah. So, obviously, we set the stage with
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this last Friday with the summit up in
Alaska, and Trump was very tactful. And yet,
you see the media just try to find
anything wrong with what he did,
whether it's the red carpets, whether it's the
airplanes, etcetera. Trump came or went to Alaska
instead of, you know, somewhere else, etcetera. It
doesn't matter. Whatever he does, they're gonna attack.
But the the stage that he set was
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very, very methodical in my view
from a strong man or military standpoint because
not only did he meet Putin Alaska, which
we purchased from Russia way back when for
I think it was, like, $7,000,000 at the
time,
but it was on American soil.
And they met. They did the photo op.
And as Putin was walking towards Trump, you
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had,
fighter jets and a b two fly over,
probably scare the living bejesus out of Putin
on wondering what exactly is that noise. Obviously,
the b twos are what we use to
destroy Iran's nuclear capabilities.
And then did the strongman handshake, pulled him
in, then put his hand on it as
a destabilizing
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body language Things say, hey. I just pulled
you in. I'm showing I'm strong, but I'm
also showing I'm gentle.
Weird things like that that Trump did. They
sat down. They spoke for three hours,
and Trump had to basically
determine whether or not, just like you stated,
Putin is serious or not. And the only
way to deal with someone like Putin, and
Trump knows this from decades of dealing with
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New York City,
is if someone
doesn't move towards typical leverage points,
you have to find out what those consequences
can be that are material losses for that
individual. And he's already flirted with that, meaning
he's used India as an example. India buys
an enormous amount of energy from Russia.
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So what Trump has said is, I'm gonna
tear up the the daylights out of India
right now because they're buying energy, thus supporting
Putin's economy. And he will do that with
other countries because Putin is in a situation
now. He spent three years on this war.
He thought he was gonna get all of
Ukraine, and and this is, you know, a
a testament to the Ukrainian people. However, there
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has to be a realistic understanding because,
when do you cut your losses? When is
enough death
enough? And that's what Zelenskyy has to ultimately
decide, and this is where things get really,
really dicey that he's gotta make. Because he's
under he's under martial law on Ukraine. Right?
There's there's there hasn't been elections,
and they're they've been fighting. And entire generations
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have been wiped out, the men, anyway. So
if there is a what they're calling it
very careful, right, control the language, control the
argument, control the outcome,
instead of ceding territory, they're talking about land
swapping.
Okay. Cutesy with the words, but ultimately, how
do we get to peace? How do we
get to stop the death is what Trump
wants. He wants people to stop dying. It's
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it's absurd how many people have died on
the Russian side and on the Ukrainian side.
And this is where Putin
has to come out with his own people
because he sacrificed hundreds of thousands of people,
in order to get, quote, unquote, more territory.
And
what I think Trump is I don't think
Trump's gonna pressure,
Zelensky into anything. What he's gonna basically say
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is, look,
the adult in the room is telling you
this. Do you want to continue this war,
which The United States people do not support
even from a military standpoint because we're we're
tired of it. We don't want boots on
the ground. We may
do air support for you, but we're not
gonna continue spending more than the $100,000,000,000
that we've already spent. And, look, you can't
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win this war
without going into World War three,
and that's just not worth it for NATO
or for Europe or for The United States,
etcetera. So seed
and do a land swap, cut your losses,
and stop the dying is probably gonna be
his pitch to Zelensky. And Zelensky has to
obviously, the Ukrainian constitution has to vote on
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a referendum for any kind of land
situation, right, that you cede or give up
or whatnot. So he's gotta tackle that thing
even if he makes an agreement with Trump
and Putin. Well, more more so with Putin,
but Trump is facilitating this.
Then he's gotta get the people to do
that because the Ukrainian people appear to want
the war to stop as well.
So all that is setting the stage for,
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is Putin just gonna bide his time and
say, you know what? I'm gonna do this.
I've only got three more years of Trump.
I'll I'll take the chance that
after Trump is gone in in three years
that a Democrat gets in highly unlikely at
the rate things are going. Or I'll deal
with JD Vance, who he'll look at as
someone who's thirty years his junior, and this
is someone that I can I can string
along like I string along other other US
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idiot presidents like Barack Obama and Joe Biden?
So that's what Putin's gotta
determine, and this is where Trump again, he
does what no president would do,
affect material losses that damage Russian,
not just psychologically,
but economically to the point where they have
to do this. And that's what Trump has
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essentially done by flipping the table with all
these tariffs
is forcing Putin to come to the table.
Now remember, Putin, former KBG OP KBG officer
has clearly allegedly murdered countless people, not a
good dude like you said. But the only
reason he probably wanted to sit with Trump
because he looks at Trump as an equal,
a worthy adversary
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to stand on the national state to international
stage
next to. And that's where Trump has to
be tactful in how big of material loss
he's going to force on Putin while he
tries to end this war,
between these two neighboring countries. Obviously, NATO membership
is off the table for Ukraine.
Article five, obviously, they're getting cutesy with the
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words of whether or not it's article five
type security measures, which means attack on one
is attack on all that are members of
NATO. But no no American,
family wants to send their kids to go
Ukraine to die, on the front lines or
anything like that. And if we have tools
and weapons and drones to help Ukraine
do that,
Ukrainians do that, then then that's another story.
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But for now, this is what Trump has
to try to materialize
in not only he doesn't want a ceasefire,
he wants an end to the war, a
stop of the death, a land swap, and
an agreement that we're not gonna do this
anymore. And it it could
excuse me. It could very well be just
three years that Donald Trump is in prep
is is in office. And then it might
be JD Vance, assuming he's he's the successor
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that has to deal with. So it's worst
case scenario is nothing happens and the war
continues and death continues.
A medium is literally a three year stop
of Putin where he doesn't do anything, and
then if he does do something that there's
severe economic material losses through other countries that
will have to make a decision. It's The
US or it's Russia.
And then you're gonna have to deal with
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the variable of China and how they react
to this circumstance.
And then, again, whether or not it's continued
financial support through the use of weapons
and what is The United States getting in
return for that. Yes. We have a rare
earth minerals deal,
but is that going to give us a
100,000,000,000,
let's say, plus interest back?
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I don't know. That's that's something that the
president of The United States has to decide.
Well, I I would find it hard to
believe that the people of Ukraine
would, after having died to keep,
their land together or to try to
to take it back from Russia,
that they would be happy if Volodymyr
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Zelensky
gave up any of the land that they
have fought and died for. 100%. I agree.
And that's why this is a really
unfortunate situation because it's whether or not
you find a middle ground that literally Putin's
not gonna be happy with, Zelensky's not gonna
be happy with the Russian people, and the
Ukrainian people are not gonna be happy with
because of where this started. In a in
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a perfect world, everything that,
from an invasion standpoint and the sovereignty of
Ukraine should remain in Ukrainian hands. But,
unfortunately, that's not the world we live in
right now. And the determination
of what that's going to be is
do we keep fighting and try to eventually
get some land back, or do you just
lose the war of attrition
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because there's more Russians than there are Ukrainians,
and this goes on for for a decade
or more?
Well,
it
it would appear that
in,
Ukraine,
their defense industry
is ramping up and is, in fact,
producing
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weapons that no one has ever seen from
that part of the world,
the a defense industry that no one has
looked at twice because our own defense industry
is so incredible. Mhmm. And it it would
appear now that,
Ukraine is building
those kinds of defense mechanisms, those bombs, those
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Yeah. Those things to protect themselves.
In fact, making them
so that they can actually sell them to
other countries Yeah. Who are in need.
Might not the Russian stance on this backfire
on them because they haven't stopped the defense
industry in Ukraine Yeah. From continuing to produce
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these really good weapons. Yeah. So this is
this is where
the escalation debate happens. Russia has Ukraine Russia
has nuclear weapons where Ukraine does not. Ukraine
has, just like every country, has very unique
weapons that they that their scientists, that their,
defense contractors and and engineers come up with
design for geographical reasons or or or the
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like and have a minute,
mission. Right? You're you're you can come up
with any number of things. Right? And
it could very well be that
what if Ukraine goes and starts
using those weapons? What if they've used I
mean, think about it. From the beginning of
this war and even the weapons that they've
gotten from The United States, that's the first
time United States' weapons have been actually used
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on Russia and or the Soviet Union.
And there was obviously the debate with the
the fighter jets because Ukraine
would the pilots were trained on not f
sixteens, which is what we would have to
offer, etcetera.
But, ultimately, if Ukraine decides
or Zelensky decides and or the people decide
that, you know what, we're not going to
do a deal where the death stops and
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we give up land and we're just going
to,
escalate in terms of weapon use,
The end game of that is Putin probably
activates nuclear weapons on Ukraine and makes another
Chernobyl but at an astronomically larger
footprint.
And that's again,
you you've heard me say this before. When
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someone says they're going to do something, whether
they're the president of Russia, whether they're some
local individual, whether they're your neighbor, when someone
says they're going to do something, believe them
and act accordingly.
So Putin has said flat out that he
wanted to take back all of Ukraine. He
failed. He's got pieces of it.
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He, you know, he took Crimea
under Obama.
There was nothing. Right? He didn't even get
a slap on the wrist for that. Nothing.
Nope. He got billions.
Exactly. And and control of the waterways, which
is obviously important for for trade routes, etcetera,
and the supply chain. And ultimately,
he's going to this is again, this it
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goes back to one person, Donald Trump. And
the kind of material losses
that he will force on Putin if Putin
acts in a way that is unacceptable to
Donald Trump
if this collapses.
And I imagine
India is just a starting point because why?
Why start with India? India has
one of the two largest populations, thus the
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highest
or one of the two highest in terms
of demand
for energy.
So I could see this being
multiple pressure points
that they will eventually so one of two
things will happen. They'll either cave or they'll
try to find a lifeline
in the form of China, and then we
have to come up with that calculation as
well. Well, they've lost so many of their
own people. I mean, they've lost a generation
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of men,
at that they
it's not recoverable.
And these are the same men that would
have been working in the defense industry within
Russia that have been taken from them.
We've probably got very strong women, but I
can't even imagine that the families left behind
want this to continue and want
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and want mister Putin to continue as the
head of their country. Yeah. So that's that's
secret option probably z in in the calculus
is how much
time does Putin have left on this planet
without intervention.
And, right, he's in the seventies, so you
have to say, okay, maybe maybe he's got
fifteen years left, assuming he's healthy and all.
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Too many. Which is too many. And, again,
that's potentially two more presidents,
maybe three,
where we have to deal with this. And,
again,
it's this is where you have to kinda
take the emotion out of everything and look
at things objectively and say, okay. What's the
point of cutting our losses?
And can we get a
temporary I mean, in the grand scheme of
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things, my opinion,
is that whatever comes out of this Russia
Ukraine thing is temporary.
That's my opinion. I don't think that there's
some long lasting situation as long as Putin
is alive. And, again, assuming Putin,
is no longer with us and, you know,
falls below us,
the likelihood of whoever his heir apparent or
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whoever's next in line, he could be Worse.
It could be worse. We don't know. When
you cut off the head of the snake,
what takes its place. So there's so many
things to to think about with regard to
that, but what can we do now? I
mean, think about the same calculation with Iran.
We went and bombed the crap out of
their entire nuclear capability facility and research. Is
that permanent for forever? No. It probably set
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them back decades, if not more,
and sent a message not just to them
but to anyone else. You wanna mess with
this. And, again, the other nine nuclear
countries
have used them as a deterrent. Let us
do what we're gonna do and we're gonna
you know, we have nuclear weapons. Iran's
mentality was, I want nuclear weapons because I
wanna destroy The United States and I wanna
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destroy Israel, not as a deterrent to protect
themselves and what they were doing. They just
wanted to kill Jews and they wanted to
kill The United States.
So again, Trump made a message with that.
It does he make a similar message?
I don't think from a military standpoint,
he made the presentation by having them fly
right over Putin in Alaska, which I thought
was a great touch.
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But the psychological warfare is
number one. The economic warfare is number two.
And then number three is the escalation
and whether or not you do something that
decimates
a capability.
Yeah. Which we needed to do with Iran.
Right.
Which I would say that all 170 civilized
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countries were a a 100% in agreement whether
they said it publicly or not. Yeah. Well,
we still have to worry about all those
other terrorist organizations
that,
that finally, I guess, Kash Patel and Donald
Trump have been saying, these are terrorist organizations.
We can't allow them to continue to to
rule wherever they they decide to. Organizations,
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in fact, in The United States Of America
that are pro Palestinian,
anti Israeli,
anti Semitic organizations. These organizations are terrorist organizations
and shouldn't be allowed. And they were funded
by Iran and they were funded by other,
bad actors.
And,
look, this is this is where it gets
complicated, where you just have to keep
killing people. I I mean, I hate to
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say that. I mean, our military is here
to protect us, to break things and kill
people that affect The United States' interests and
the security of The United States. And when
these organizations continue to sprout up,
again, this is where Trump has sped up
the the kill chain. He's empowered those guys
on the ground, the commanders on the ground
to make decisions instead of going all the
way up across the Pentagon to the White
House and back all the way down, etcetera,
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wasting valuable valuable time to take out a
target. So I think ultimately, this is where
this is where, again, Donald Trump is the
deterrent. Donald Trump is the kingmaker. If you
don't like that term, too bad. He is
the one that decides exactly how things are
going to go, and he is willing to
make decisions that clearly others in the past,
both sides of the aisle, have not been
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willing to do. And guess what? It's it's
reap dividends and benefits. And hopefully, this ends
this Ukrainian Russian
war and the death stops,
but
we'll see. Time will tell. And again, you're
you're dealing with three massive egos.
You're dealing with a massive ego in the
sense of Putin who wants to recreate the
Soviet Union.
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So, I mean, again, the I think the
best case scenario is a three year pause
where everyone agrees no more and then,
assuming JD Vance and or Marco Rubio takes
Trump's place,
because I don't think the Democrats have a
prayer to get their crap together by 2028.
They have their leader list. So the likelihood
is that a Republican will continue and whether
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or not they can they can have the
same metal
and basically keep everything that Trump's got in
place and say you wanna mess with us,
this is what we're gonna do and we're
gonna make you we're gonna make it really,
really painful.
Well, I think with,
the sanctions that we're able to put on
countries too that decide to to go with
one side or the other. I think that's
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really important
as well because it can destroy someone's economy.
And certainly,
why not destroy someone's economy who is working
against you and working against peace? 100100%.
And that's where Trump is not
hesitant at all. And this treasury secretary, man,
this guy is awesome. I wanna read everything
about this guy from an from an economic
and financial Bessen
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knows what's up
and he is he is executing Trump's vision.
He has the economic tools and the history
and
education and the background for this. And, you
know, what maybe him being an apprentice to
George Soros is a massive advantage to the
conservative movement because of what he was able
to learn from that guy from an economic
standpoint. And now he's doing it through the
MAGA lens, and I think it's great. That's
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right. You use the finances to get what
you want.
Even if you have to twist them around
to the point where nobody even
knows what it was Mhmm. When it began.
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Brian Fitzherbert on Fitzherbert Friday.
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And it has been
it has been a wild,
month. As a matter of fact, we've had
a lot of people on.
We had,
our senator, Vince Paulastina, on. We were talking
then about Purdy. We were talking about, in
fact, you, Brian Ruth Herbert. I don't know
whether you heard about it, but I was
asking about the Atlanta County Young Republican Club,
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the fact that you had a charter, and
the fact then that, Vince Paulastino allowed mister
Purdy to start up another
Atlanta County Young Republican Club. And it was
like, oh, well,
you know,
what say you, Brian? How do you answer
people who are so,
I don't know,
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bad?
Well, I did listen to what Senator Paul
Sinead said, and what I'll respond to is
the and I'll be generous here. The inaccuracies
of how the, characterization
has been.
He basically
summarized that this is my fault that I
don't coordinate
with the county with regard to scheduling events,
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the calendar, etcetera.
And
that's
completely inaccurate because the minute,
mister Purdy took over the Atlanta County Republicans
in March 2022, the Atlanta County Young Republicans
were removed from the website of the Atlanta
County Republicans.
I was removed from all leadership email chains,
so I don't I don't get invited to
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anything. I haven't been invited to anything in
three years.
And when I did speak with them about
coordinating
a calendar,
they made it abundantly clear that it would
only go as long as they approved who
I invited as a speaker,
when I did it, and how I did
it, including the summer bash, which is coming
up on August 27 for the Atlanta County
Young Republicans, which we've been doing for seven
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years, which
obviously predates,
their reign, that I needed to have permission
to do that. And if it was with
a speaker that they didn't like, let's say,
a gubernatorial candidate, whether that's Edgar, John Bramnick,
or Bill Spadia,
that that wouldn't be acceptable.
And, again, that's
unfortunate because I've always been open for coordination
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and collaboration.
We're all pushing in the same direction.
And people keep asking, you know, why is
there another
Atlanta County Young Republican Club being
formed, etcetera, because it's causing confusion, etcetera, all
this kind of stuff. And, again, I don't
really know what what to say anymore because
it's it's the same old, same old. It's
very petty.
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The
the time that people should be using is
to get Jack Tederle elected, to get Republicans
elected, not on petty
YR
related activities when we've had the charter for
seven years. We're associated with the Young Republican
Federation of New Jersey, and we're obviously associated
with the Young Republican National Federation, which we
just attended the national convention for. So it's
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very unfortunate because
this is the tagline that's being used,
I guess, to attack me or to try
to, you know, get people not to attend
events, which this is the unfortunate thing. Every
time I've had any kind of Atlantic County
Young Republican event
and I've had speakers, the speakers have told
me flat out that they've received calls
from one individual or another telling them not
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to come to my event because of something
related to the the county or, the chairman
or the state senator or something like that,
which is very unfortunate. We're all Republicans.
And the whole point of me inviting Republicans
from outside
of Atlanta County or South Jersey for that
matter is that more Republicans,
your
grassroots, your rank and file that never come
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to, Republican events, club meetings,
gals, whatever you wanna call them, that vote
in the primaries or vote in the general
election, have an opportunity to see what other
Republican we have on the bench across the
state of New Jersey. And it's a great
way to network. It's a great way to
meet people. And that's what I've been doing
for for years and years because I have
all these relationships,
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not just here in the county, not just
here in South Jersey, but across the state
and even across the country.
So it's it's very unfortunate that it's become
a recurring theme every time, whether it's a
Republican women's event that we that we sponsor
in the beginning of each year or the
summer bash or any event, Christmas party fundraiser,
that the speakers are attacked.
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They are either called, and if they don't
bend to the will of whatever someone wants
to, I mean, it's I mean, there's people
that are trying to act like they're Tony
Soprano, but unfortunately,
they're nowhere near the intellect of Tony Soprano,
and that's not a compliment.
So it's very unfortunate. And when you take
it even further and try to masquerade
that I did an event for a particular
person or event, but it was a YR
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event,
no. We had a YR event, and either
individuals asked to attend so they could speak
to people, or I invited them to come
and speak. Because again, we're all Republicans, we're
all on the same side. This is a
very big tent where you have conservatives, you
have Tea Partiers still, you have Trumpers,
you have a handful of people who don't
like Trump, you have constitutionalists,
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You have libertarians. You have all kinds of
individuals, moderates, you name it. I'm sure there's
a few blue dog Democrats that still vote
Republican. And there's nothing wrong with that. But
when you try to control
and try to dictate, it usually blows up
in your face and people don't listen. And
guess what? It's not you and me talking.
It's the third person that's listening
that is watching, learning, and understanding the nonsense
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that's going on. So it is what it
is.
Again, we're gonna keep doing our thing. We
have our chart. Our goal is to
recruit and train anyone who wants to be
involved that fits the young republican description
and get them involved whether it's a candidate,
whether it's, you know, supporting a campaign if
they want to. And ultimately, the goal is
to get Jack Ciattarelli elected in on November
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4. And any other things that are going
on, it's just petty distractions
and this is what disengages
people from even participating because they're like, why
do we do this? Just like there's
unfortunately
the the tension between the county executive
and the state center or I mean, fill
in the blank examples that you can do
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in the last three or four years. And
it's just unfortunate.
It is what it is And we'll just
keep we'll just keep on going through. And,
we learned quite a bit,
at the national convention in terms of options
and and other things that we learned from
an ally standpoint. But again, I'll just
say this. When,
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you take advantage of using a name
that's not yours, it's not legally yours, it's
not your charter,
and then you even fundraise off that and
you're making financial
benefit from that,
that usually leads to a place where you
don't wanna be. Well, all I can say
is that if,
both sides can't unite, can't sit down and,
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get this straightened out,
then this is not good for the party.
No. And this No. It's a distraction. It's
a waste of time. Yes. It is. We
just wasted 10.
Exactly. I mean Yeah. I I love being
on your show and talking about this stuff
is is not what I wanna do. I
wanna comment on the issues that matter, and
the point is to beat Democrats, show that
Republican policies are better,
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and, you know, that's the point. And there's
going to be
unfortunate blowback when this happens because I've already
seen it. When I have young Republicans tell
me flat out that this is this is
something I don't wanna be involved with because
if I if I hang around you, then
I don't have opportunities to run for office
in the future and vice versa. So it's
it's it's It's terrible. It's terrible. And it
divides the party, and we should be defeating
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Democrats and and making sure Jackson knows exactly
what he wants. United.
You
absolutely both sides, this this side that mister
Purdy began,
that doesn't have the charter but calls itself
the Atlanta County Young Republicans,
needs to come together with the with the
chartered
Atlanta County Young Republicans.
I mean, right now, you've got a middle
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class of of people who attend your event.
They've got they hired this young woman, and
she's bringing all young people. Can you imagine
how much better
this Atlantic County Young Republican Club would be
if everybody came together? I mean, the young
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would learn from the middle age because that's
who, in fact, is the the age limit
that this Atlanta County Young Republican Club is.
Can you imagine what they would learn from
people that have been attending this and, events
for years that has to do with a
United Republican Party?
I can't I I can't get over
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the disinformation that's put out there by one
side against another.
I can't imagine
the
the lack of unity
in a party that needs to be united.
I mean, there are people that may or
may not be running. But if they run,
they're going to have to face questions having
to do just with this Oh, yeah. Particular
issue. And, by god, if they haven't tried
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to unite, we gotta get rid of them.
Yeah. And that's just look, we're all
pointing in the right direction,
pulling in the right direction. We all wanna
be on the same side. They're always welcome.
And even more so, I mean, this is
where things
in the accuracy of it, you know, are
are individuals that are being, put in pictures
actually register Republicans? Are they actually people who
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live in Atlanta County? Are they actually people
who live in South Jersey? Or they just
happen to be Stockton College graduates that happen
to be there at the end of the
school year to append a party with free
beer and free food? I don't know. So
it is what it is. But the point
is
we have we have the legal charter. We'll
all point in the right direction. We'll do
however we can to help get Republicans elected
even if there are Republicans that attack us
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for existing, breathing, etcetera.
The point is to beat Democrats and make
sure that Republican,
government is actually executed,
which our county executive has done in spades,
for decades. And he's the model, and, unfortunately,
people are trying to reject the model. Yeah.
Well, unfortunately,
power
corrupts absolute power corrupts absolutely, and there you
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go. What what was that the count of
sandwich or something? Yeah. Totally. Yeah. Anyway, Linda,
good morning. Welcome. How are you?
Wow. Riveted to the radio.
I'm good. Hi, Anne. Hi. Hi, Brian.
I'm so sorry.
What?
You you you're a great guy.
Smart smart as a web. You've been an
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asset to the Republican Party for
how long?
Yeah.
This is this is,
Unfair. Listen. I re I remember with Jeff
Andrew. I mean, maybe you thought about taking
a run during the time, and then you
realized when Jeff was coming
on, you did what you should have done.
You know? And,
but you're a good guy.
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This
wow.
You're so sorry.
It
is what it is. I mean He's tough,
Linda. Come on. He's gonna do you know?
Eventually more. Yeah. Eventually, everybody's gonna come together.
They're gonna wanna see a united party. We
need to bring Jack Ciattarelli
to the Governor's Mansion.
We need to have him be there as
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a uniter.
I mean, that's what he's doing. He's going
all around our state, north, south, east, and
west. He doesn't he doesn't stop for a
day. He's everywhere. Ubiquitous
Jack Ciattarelli
deserves to be our governor, not just because
of his energy level, but because he knows
how to run the state, which is something
this Mikey person has not a clue. No.
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And I would take it even a step
further that Democrats and independents here in South
Jersey, guess what? Who's gonna actually give South
Jersey attention? Do you think it's gonna be
Mikey Sherrill as a Democrat? Oh, my never.
Or do you think it's gonna be Jack
Torley? I think all the Independents and the
Democrats down here in South Jersey should go
into Jack's column and show because Jack has
shown
beyond
beyond
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the fact that he will do what is
right for South Jersey and not ignore us
like every other governor, unfortunately, does for the
most part. Sure. We're there for taxes. For
sure. Yeah. You've heard that,
yeah,
you you can tell from Trump that
he's got something
that he's not talking about when it comes
to Putin sort of. And,
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and he's sort of holding back.
And our thought is and it's a really
darn good thought because it's it's very upsetting.
It's upsetting to me
because we have anywhere from 20 to 35,000
Ukrainians.
We're talking about war crimes.
Putin has taken 20 to 35,000
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children
Yep. Ukrainian children.
And that there the people in Ukraine are
waiting for their they want their children.
Yeah. And,
they have been assigned Russian citizenship
citizenship
forcibly
and other things like that. They're supposedly being
adopted into some families.
What you can do that.
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Yeah. So this is that? This was Melania's
letter, that was actually leaked that she wrote
to Putin
with with addressing the
in the general terms of releasing the children.
And, again,
in this scenario, I'm trusting Trump's gut judgment,
whatever you wanna call it, because this guy
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has spent more time with Putin than any
other person. And whether or not,
people want to acknowledge that fact, Trump knows
exactly how to deal with this guy or
at least a good understanding of what can
I do to try to get the death
to stop? And using that letter was smart.
Exactly. And he it could have been a
joint discussion that him and Melania had that,
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hey, let's do this. But also, guess what?
We're throwing we're gonna throw a b two
bomber with fighter jets on each side Mhmm.
Fly over you when you come into Alaska.
And and, like, I can be a nice
guy or I can be,
you know, the worst person that you've ever
met, and you will meet your maker before
you fall into the pits of hell forever.
So that's that's something that ultimately,
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Trump definitely has something, and he's you know
this when he's very,
very careful with what he's saying. You're right.
And only time will tell. So I, you
know, I trust the president in this circumstance
beyond,
anything else. This is cruel. It is. It
is. I mean, the amount of death
that's been going on for, what is it,
three years now,
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and, again, over over land, over territory. Thousand
children. And children. Exactly. Up to that? That
they're take that that that that have studies
taken?
Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, it's it's not
like they're waiting to for this to be
resolved to go back to their family. They're
being merged into society, it looks like. Yeah.
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And then I would imagine
brainwashed and all kinds of other stuff,
and being told that their family's gone anyway
and that's why you have to be here,
that we're the good guys, that we're we're
trying to take care of you, blah blah
blah. And it's just it's unfortunate.
It it is. War crimes.
Totally.
Well, if only. Thanks, guys. Thanks, Linda. Linda,
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thank you, my friend. Have a good weekend.
God bless. You too. Bye. Bye.
Yeah. Mister Putin has,
well, he he doesn't believe in God. He's
the God. He's the only God he believes
in.
And, he He's in for a rude awakening.
He he is. He is.
And and right now, all we have to
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do is hang in there.
Donald Trump,
is going to,
hopefully,
be
the be the oil on top of the
the raging waters
who's going to be able to show mister
Putin that it is in his best interest
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to,
finish this and to get out. And you
know what?
Zelensky,
he is
there is no one in his country other
than for other mothers whose kids are already
in the military. There is nobody there, I
think, that wants to give up more property
to this dictator, to this creep
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than has already been taken
and given by that creep Obama
who allowed
this to go on. Yeah. And and again,
this is this is where it gets very
frustrating because if you ever read books throughout
history, decades and decades of time, it's it's
literally policy decisions that individuals make, and that's
why elections are so important.
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And
the fact that Barack Obama did not do
anything
Yeah. And when I'm talking about anything, I
mean, do something that
actually
caused material loss and pain on the Russians
and or Putin
is the reason why he was able to
do anything. The whole reason he launched this
attack is because he saw Biden's
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complete,
ineffective withdrawal from Afghanistan.
Yeah. And was like he was like, this
is weak. I'm gonna go do this. And
he and Joe Biden as the president said,
unless there's a minor incursion, all this kinda
well, what does that that was basically a
go ahead for Putin.
You need strength. You need someone who's gonna
scare the crap out of you and someone
that is completely unpredictable. And Donald Trump is
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that person. And, again, I I'm a realist.
Look, he's here for three more years as
president, and I can only hope that Vance
and or Rubio or that combination of the
two of them,
that likely take over for him,
after '28. Because, again, I say this because
I I really believe that Democrats will not
get their act together by 2028. They're terrible.
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They're they're disorganized and they're and they're liars.
They have they have no issue. They have
no leader. They have nothing. So, ultimately, the
assumption is gonna be that JD Vance and
Rubio become the next president and vice president,
and they have to put the fear into
not just Putin, but those around Putin, which
Rubio's been right there, JD Vance has been
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right there, Wyckoff has been right there. Oh,
you've been excellent. So they know, and they
know that they're also being evaluated because they
could potentially be be the next. And God
forbid something happens to Donald Trump, it will
be sooner. So, ultimately, I think right now,
Trump can can do something here that gives
us at least
some runway
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of three years where this can kinda get
paused, stopped, whatever you wanna call it,
and then it has to be reinforced
in three years.
Because, I mean, that's just objectively, that's the
real the reality of things. And it's unfortunate.
And that's probably the only negative that has
with Trump two point o with him not
being able to go again consecutively because he
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got fouled up by,
henceforth, the guy who brought back Donald Trump,
Joe Biden. Nobody nobody will remember Joe Biden's
name. So at the end of the day,
this is where things get get dicey, and
Trump's decisions
are going to have lasting,
monumental
world type Tomes.
Just just like written about what he has
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done and Just like what he did with
Iran. Yeah.
Brian Fitzherbert, we have to take a break,
and we're gonna say goodbye because
we have to. I don't want to. I
wish you were here. We were here for
another few hours to discuss stuff. I wish
I had more time too. Yeah. But we
will look forward to next Friday when, hopefully,
you will be available to us. In the
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meantime, sir, thank you. You are a wise,
wise young man.
Keep it up. Yep. Absolutely. Thanks for having
me, and I always appreciate it. It's my
pleasure, my friend.
This is the place.
Talking with Anne on new stock fourteen hundred
and ninety two point three w o n
d. Here's your host, Anne Baker.
Good morning, everyone. This is Anne Baker on
Talking with Anne, and I am here with
Brian Fitzherbert on Fitzherbert Friday.
Brian, you're looking spiffy, sir.
Freedom USA,
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United States Of
America.
Yeah. As as
a AP history,
teacher told me in high school and dubbed
me Super Patriot because I always wear America
paraphernalia. So, yeah, hasn't changed in twenty, twenty
five years. No. No. And it shouldn't. It
absolutely shouldn't. We are,
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I don't know.
I'm I'm really interested in Ukraine. I'm interested
in what mister Putin is going to do.
I'm really interested in your thoughts about
what's gonna happen
when they sit down because mister Putin is
he's a dictator. He is not a good
person. He lies continually.
He promises things and then,
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goes and does exactly what he's promised not
to.
And I just wonder with what they're gonna
be sitting down and discussing,
what's your take on what,
president Zelensky is going to do and what
president Trump may be pushing president Zelensky to
do?
Yeah. So, obviously, we set the stage with
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this last Friday with the summit up in
Alaska, and Trump was very tactful. And yet,
you see the media just try to find
anything wrong with what he did,
whether it's the red carpets, whether it's the
airplanes, etcetera. Trump came or went to Alaska
instead of, you know, somewhere else, etcetera. It
doesn't matter. Whatever he does, they're gonna attack.
But the the stage that he set was
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very, very methodical in my view
from a strong man or military standpoint because
not only did he meet Putin Alaska, which
we purchased from Russia way back when for
I think it was, like, $7,000,000 at the
time,
but it was on American soil.
And they met. They did the photo op.
And as Putin was walking towards Trump, you
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had,
fighter jets and a b two fly over,
probably scare the living bejesus out of Putin
on wondering what exactly is that noise. Obviously,
the b twos are what we use to
destroy Iran's nuclear capabilities.
And then did the strongman handshake, pulled him
in, then put his hand on it as
a destabilizing
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body language Things say, hey. I just pulled
you in. I'm showing I'm strong, but I'm
also showing I'm gentle.
Weird things like that that Trump did. They
sat down. They spoke for three hours,
and Trump had to basically
determine whether or not, just like you stated,
Putin is serious or not. And the only
way to deal with someone like Putin, and
Trump knows this from decades of dealing with
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New York City,
is if someone
doesn't move towards typical leverage points,
you have to find out what those consequences
can be that are material losses for that
individual. And he's already flirted with that, meaning
he's used India as an example. India buys
an enormous amount of energy from Russia.
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So what Trump has said is, I'm gonna
tear up the the daylights out of India
right now because they're buying energy, thus supporting
Putin's economy. And he will do that with
other countries because Putin is in a situation
now. He spent three years on this war.
He thought he was gonna get all of
Ukraine, and and this is, you know, a
a testament to the Ukrainian people. However, there
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has to be a realistic understanding because,
when do you cut your losses? When is
enough death
enough? And that's what Zelenskyy has to ultimately
decide, and this is where things get really,
really dicey that he's gotta make. Because he's
under he's under martial law on Ukraine. Right?
There's there's there hasn't been elections,
and they're they've been fighting. And entire generations
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have been wiped out, the men, anyway. So
if there is a what they're calling it
very careful, right, control the language, control the
argument, control the outcome,
instead of ceding territory, they're talking about land
swapping.
Okay. Cutesy with the words, but ultimately, how
do we get to peace? How do we
get to stop the death is what Trump
wants. He wants people to stop dying. It's
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it's absurd how many people have died on
the Russian side and on the Ukrainian side.
And this is where Putin
has to come out with his own people
because he sacrificed hundreds of thousands of people,
in order to get, quote, unquote, more territory.
And
what I think Trump is I don't think
Trump's gonna pressure,
Zelensky into anything. What he's gonna basically say
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is, look,
the adult in the room is telling you
this. Do you want to continue this war,
which The United States people do not support
even from a military standpoint because we're we're
tired of it. We don't want boots on
the ground. We may
do air support for you, but we're not
gonna continue spending more than the $100,000,000,000
that we've already spent. And, look, you can't
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win this war
without going into World War three,
and that's just not worth it for NATO
or for Europe or for The United States,
etcetera. So seed
and do a land swap, cut your losses,
and stop the dying is probably gonna be
his pitch to Zelensky. And Zelensky has to
obviously, the Ukrainian constitution has to vote on
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a referendum for any kind of land
situation, right, that you cede or give up
or whatnot. So he's gotta tackle that thing
even if he makes an agreement with Trump
and Putin. Well, more more so with Putin,
but Trump is facilitating this.
Then he's gotta get the people to do
that because the Ukrainian people appear to want
the war to stop as well.
So all that is setting the stage for,
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is Putin just gonna bide his time and
say, you know what? I'm gonna do this.
I've only got three more years of Trump.
I'll I'll take the chance that
after Trump is gone in in three years
that a Democrat gets in highly unlikely at
the rate things are going. Or I'll deal
with JD Vance, who he'll look at as
someone who's thirty years his junior, and this
is someone that I can I can string
along like I string along other other US
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idiot presidents like Barack Obama and Joe Biden?
So that's what Putin's gotta
determine, and this is where Trump again, he
does what no president would do,
affect material losses that damage Russian,
not just psychologically,
but economically to the point where they have
to do this. And that's what Trump has
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essentially done by flipping the table with all
these tariffs
is forcing Putin to come to the table.
Now remember, Putin, former KBG OP KBG officer
has clearly allegedly murdered countless people, not a
good dude like you said. But the only
reason he probably wanted to sit with Trump
because he looks at Trump as an equal,
a worthy adversary
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to stand on the national state to international
stage
next to. And that's where Trump has to
be tactful in how big of material loss
he's going to force on Putin while he
tries to end this war,
between these two neighboring countries. Obviously, NATO membership
is off the table for Ukraine.
Article five, obviously, they're getting cutesy with the
(06:59):
words of whether or not it's article five
type security measures, which means attack on one
is attack on all that are members of
NATO. But no no American,
family wants to send their kids to go
Ukraine to die, on the front lines or
anything like that. And if we have tools
and weapons and drones to help Ukraine
do that,
Ukrainians do that, then then that's another story.
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But for now, this is what Trump has
to try to materialize
in not only he doesn't want a ceasefire,
he wants an end to the war, a
stop of the death, a land swap, and
an agreement that we're not gonna do this
anymore. And it it could
excuse me. It could very well be just
three years that Donald Trump is in prep
is is in office. And then it might
be JD Vance, assuming he's he's the successor
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that has to deal with. So it's worst
case scenario is nothing happens and the war
continues and death continues.
A medium is literally a three year stop
of Putin where he doesn't do anything, and
then if he does do something that there's
severe economic material losses through other countries that
will have to make a decision. It's The
US or it's Russia.
And then you're gonna have to deal with
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the variable of China and how they react
to this circumstance.
And then, again, whether or not it's continued
financial support through the use of weapons
and what is The United States getting in
return for that. Yes. We have a rare
earth minerals deal,
but is that going to give us a
100,000,000,000,
let's say, plus interest back?
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I don't know. That's that's something that the
president of The United States has to decide.
Well, I I would find it hard to
believe that the people of Ukraine
would, after having died to keep,
their land together or to try to
to take it back from Russia,
that they would be happy if Volodymyr
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Zelensky
gave up any of the land that they
have fought and died for. 100%. I agree.
And that's why this is a really
unfortunate situation because it's whether or not
you find a middle ground that literally Putin's
not gonna be happy with, Zelensky's not gonna
be happy with the Russian people, and the
Ukrainian people are not gonna be happy with
because of where this started. In a in
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a perfect world, everything that,
from an invasion standpoint and the sovereignty of
Ukraine should remain in Ukrainian hands. But,
unfortunately, that's not the world we live in
right now. And the determination
of what that's going to be is
do we keep fighting and try to eventually
get some land back, or do you just
lose the war of attrition
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because there's more Russians than there are Ukrainians,
and this goes on for for a decade
or more?
Well,
it
it would appear that
in,
Ukraine,
their defense industry
is ramping up and is, in fact,
producing
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weapons that no one has ever seen from
that part of the world,
the a defense industry that no one has
looked at twice because our own defense industry
is so incredible. Mhmm. And it it would
appear now that,
Ukraine is building
those kinds of defense mechanisms, those bombs, those
(10:13):
Yeah. Those things to protect themselves.
In fact, making them
so that they can actually sell them to
other countries Yeah. Who are in need.
Might not the Russian stance on this backfire
on them because they haven't stopped the defense
industry in Ukraine Yeah. From continuing to produce
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these really good weapons. Yeah. So this is
this is where
the escalation debate happens. Russia has Ukraine Russia
has nuclear weapons where Ukraine does not. Ukraine
has, just like every country, has very unique
weapons that they that their scientists, that their,
defense contractors and and engineers come up with
design for geographical reasons or or or the
(10:57):
like and have a minute,
mission. Right? You're you're you can come up
with any number of things. Right? And
it could very well be that
what if Ukraine goes and starts
using those weapons? What if they've used I
mean, think about it. From the beginning of
this war and even the weapons that they've
gotten from The United States, that's the first
time United States' weapons have been actually used
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on Russia and or the Soviet Union.
And there was obviously the debate with the
the fighter jets because Ukraine
would the pilots were trained on not f
sixteens, which is what we would have to
offer, etcetera.
But, ultimately, if Ukraine decides
or Zelensky decides and or the people decide
that, you know what, we're not going to
do a deal where the death stops and
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we give up land and we're just going
to,
escalate in terms of weapon use,
The end game of that is Putin probably
activates nuclear weapons on Ukraine and makes another
Chernobyl but at an astronomically larger
footprint.
And that's again,
you you've heard me say this before. When
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someone says they're going to do something, whether
they're the president of Russia, whether they're some
local individual, whether they're your neighbor, when someone
says they're going to do something, believe them
and act accordingly.
So Putin has said flat out that he
wanted to take back all of Ukraine. He
failed. He's got pieces of it.
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He, you know, he took Crimea
under Obama.
There was nothing. Right? He didn't even get
a slap on the wrist for that. Nothing.
Nope. He got billions.
Exactly. And and control of the waterways, which
is obviously important for for trade routes, etcetera,
and the supply chain. And ultimately,
he's going to this is again, this it
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goes back to one person, Donald Trump. And
the kind of material losses
that he will force on Putin if Putin
acts in a way that is unacceptable to
Donald Trump
if this collapses.
And I imagine
India is just a starting point because why?
Why start with India? India has
one of the two largest populations, thus the
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highest
or one of the two highest in terms
of demand
for energy.
So I could see this being
multiple pressure points
that they will eventually so one of two
things will happen. They'll either cave or they'll
try to find a lifeline
in the form of China, and then we
have to come up with that calculation as
well. Well, they've lost so many of their
own people. I mean, they've lost a generation
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of men,
at that they
it's not recoverable.
And these are the same men that would
have been working in the defense industry within
Russia that have been taken from them.
We've probably got very strong women, but I
can't even imagine that the families left behind
want this to continue and want
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and want mister Putin to continue as the
head of their country. Yeah. So that's that's
secret option probably z in in the calculus
is how much
time does Putin have left on this planet
without intervention.
And, right, he's in the seventies, so you
have to say, okay, maybe maybe he's got
fifteen years left, assuming he's healthy and all.
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Too many. Which is too many. And, again,
that's potentially two more presidents,
maybe three,
where we have to deal with this. And,
again,
it's this is where you have to kinda
take the emotion out of everything and look
at things objectively and say, okay. What's the
point of cutting our losses?
And can we get a
temporary I mean, in the grand scheme of
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things, my opinion,
is that whatever comes out of this Russia
Ukraine thing is temporary.
That's my opinion. I don't think that there's
some long lasting situation as long as Putin
is alive. And, again, assuming Putin,
is no longer with us and, you know,
falls below us,
the likelihood of whoever his heir apparent or
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whoever's next in line, he could be Worse.
It could be worse. We don't know. When
you cut off the head of the snake,
what takes its place. So there's so many
things to to think about with regard to
that, but what can we do now? I
mean, think about the same calculation with Iran.
We went and bombed the crap out of
their entire nuclear capability facility and research. Is
that permanent for forever? No. It probably set
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them back decades, if not more,
and sent a message not just to them
but to anyone else. You wanna mess with
this. And, again, the other nine nuclear
countries
have used them as a deterrent. Let us
do what we're gonna do and we're gonna
you know, we have nuclear weapons. Iran's
mentality was, I want nuclear weapons because I
wanna destroy The United States and I wanna
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destroy Israel, not as a deterrent to protect
themselves and what they were doing. They just
wanted to kill Jews and they wanted to
kill The United States.
So again, Trump made a message with that.
It does he make a similar message?
I don't think from a military standpoint,
he made the presentation by having them fly
right over Putin in Alaska, which I thought
was a great touch.
(15:50):
But the psychological warfare is
number one. The economic warfare is number two.
And then number three is the escalation
and whether or not you do something that
decimates
a capability.
Yeah. Which we needed to do with Iran.
Right.
Which I would say that all 170 civilized
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countries were a a 100% in agreement whether
they said it publicly or not. Yeah. Well,
we still have to worry about all those
other terrorist organizations
that,
that finally, I guess, Kash Patel and Donald
Trump have been saying, these are terrorist organizations.
We can't allow them to continue to to
rule wherever they they decide to. Organizations,
(16:32):
in fact, in The United States Of America
that are pro Palestinian,
anti Israeli,
anti Semitic organizations. These organizations are terrorist organizations
and shouldn't be allowed. And they were funded
by Iran and they were funded by other,
bad actors.
And,
look, this is this is where it gets
complicated, where you just have to keep
killing people. I I mean, I hate to
(16:54):
say that. I mean, our military is here
to protect us, to break things and kill
people that affect The United States' interests and
the security of The United States. And when
these organizations continue to sprout up,
again, this is where Trump has sped up
the the kill chain. He's empowered those guys
on the ground, the commanders on the ground
to make decisions instead of going all the
way up across the Pentagon to the White
House and back all the way down, etcetera,
(17:16):
wasting valuable valuable time to take out a
target. So I think ultimately, this is where
this is where, again, Donald Trump is the
deterrent. Donald Trump is the kingmaker. If you
don't like that term, too bad. He is
the one that decides exactly how things are
going to go, and he is willing to
make decisions that clearly others in the past,
both sides of the aisle, have not been
(17:37):
willing to do. And guess what? It's it's
reap dividends and benefits. And hopefully, this ends
this Ukrainian Russian
war and the death stops,
but
we'll see. Time will tell. And again, you're
you're dealing with three massive egos.
You're dealing with a massive ego in the
sense of Putin who wants to recreate the
Soviet Union.
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So, I mean, again, the I think the
best case scenario is a three year pause
where everyone agrees no more and then,
assuming JD Vance and or Marco Rubio takes
Trump's place,
because I don't think the Democrats have a
prayer to get their crap together by 2028.
They have their leader list. So the likelihood
is that a Republican will continue and whether
(18:19):
or not they can they can have the
same metal
and basically keep everything that Trump's got in
place and say you wanna mess with us,
this is what we're gonna do and we're
gonna make you we're gonna make it really,
really painful.
Well, I think with,
the sanctions that we're able to put on
countries too that decide to to go with
one side or the other. I think that's
(18:39):
really important
as well because it can destroy someone's economy.
And certainly,
why not destroy someone's economy who is working
against you and working against peace? 100100%.
And that's where Trump is not
hesitant at all. And this treasury secretary, man,
this guy is awesome. I wanna read everything
about this guy from an from an economic
and financial Bessen
(19:00):
knows what's up
and he is he is executing Trump's vision.
He has the economic tools and the history
and
education and the background for this. And, you
know, what maybe him being an apprentice to
George Soros is a massive advantage to the
conservative movement because of what he was able
to learn from that guy from an economic
standpoint. And now he's doing it through the
MAGA lens, and I think it's great. That's
(19:20):
right. You use the finances to get what
you want.
Even if you have to twist them around
to the point where nobody even
knows what it was Mhmm. When it began.
100%. And You are talking with Anne on
news talk +1,
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Good morning, everyone. This is Anne Baker on
talking with Anne, and I am here with
Brian Fitzherbert on Fitzherbert Friday.
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And it has been
it has been a wild,
month. As a matter of fact, we've had
a lot of people on.
We had,
our senator, Vince Paulastina, on. We were talking
then about Purdy. We were talking about, in
fact, you, Brian Ruth Herbert. I don't know
whether you heard about it, but I was
asking about the Atlanta County Young Republican Club,
(20:05):
the fact that you had a charter, and
the fact then that, Vince Paulastino allowed mister
Purdy to start up another
Atlanta County Young Republican Club. And it was
like, oh, well,
you know,
what say you, Brian? How do you answer
people who are so,
I don't know,
(20:25):
bad?
Well, I did listen to what Senator Paul
Sinead said, and what I'll respond to is
the and I'll be generous here. The inaccuracies
of how the, characterization
has been.
He basically
summarized that this is my fault that I
don't coordinate
with the county with regard to scheduling events,
(20:48):
the calendar, etcetera.
And
that's
completely inaccurate because the minute,
mister Purdy took over the Atlanta County Republicans
in March 2022, the Atlanta County Young Republicans
were removed from the website of the Atlanta
County Republicans.
I was removed from all leadership email chains,
so I don't I don't get invited to
(21:08):
anything. I haven't been invited to anything in
three years.
And when I did speak with them about
coordinating
a calendar,
they made it abundantly clear that it would
only go as long as they approved who
I invited as a speaker,
when I did it, and how I did
it, including the summer bash, which is coming
up on August 27 for the Atlanta County
Young Republicans, which we've been doing for seven
(21:30):
years, which
obviously predates,
their reign, that I needed to have permission
to do that. And if it was with
a speaker that they didn't like, let's say,
a gubernatorial candidate, whether that's Edgar, John Bramnick,
or Bill Spadia,
that that wouldn't be acceptable.
And, again, that's
unfortunate because I've always been open for coordination
(21:51):
and collaboration.
We're all pushing in the same direction.
And people keep asking, you know, why is
there another
Atlanta County Young Republican Club being
formed, etcetera, because it's causing confusion, etcetera, all
this kind of stuff. And, again, I don't
really know what what to say anymore because
it's it's the same old, same old. It's
very petty.
(22:13):
The
the time that people should be using is
to get Jack Tederle elected, to get Republicans
elected, not on petty
YR
related activities when we've had the charter for
seven years. We're associated with the Young Republican
Federation of New Jersey, and we're obviously associated
with the Young Republican National Federation, which we
just attended the national convention for. So it's
(22:34):
very unfortunate because
this is the tagline that's being used,
I guess, to attack me or to try
to, you know, get people not to attend
events, which this is the unfortunate thing. Every
time I've had any kind of Atlantic County
Young Republican event
and I've had speakers, the speakers have told
me flat out that they've received calls
from one individual or another telling them not
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to come to my event because of something
related to the the county or, the chairman
or the state senator or something like that,
which is very unfortunate. We're all Republicans.
And the whole point of me inviting Republicans
from outside
of Atlanta County or South Jersey for that
matter is that more Republicans,
your
grassroots, your rank and file that never come
(23:17):
to, Republican events, club meetings,
gals, whatever you wanna call them, that vote
in the primaries or vote in the general
election, have an opportunity to see what other
Republican we have on the bench across the
state of New Jersey. And it's a great
way to network. It's a great way to
meet people. And that's what I've been doing
for for years and years because I have
all these relationships,
(23:37):
not just here in the county, not just
here in South Jersey, but across the state
and even across the country.
So it's it's very unfortunate that it's become
a recurring theme every time, whether it's a
Republican women's event that we that we sponsor
in the beginning of each year or the
summer bash or any event, Christmas party fundraiser,
that the speakers are attacked.
(23:58):
They are either called, and if they don't
bend to the will of whatever someone wants
to, I mean, it's I mean, there's people
that are trying to act like they're Tony
Soprano, but unfortunately,
they're nowhere near the intellect of Tony Soprano,
and that's not a compliment.
So it's very unfortunate. And when you take
it even further and try to masquerade
that I did an event for a particular
person or event, but it was a YR
(24:20):
event,
no. We had a YR event, and either
individuals asked to attend so they could speak
to people, or I invited them to come
and speak. Because again, we're all Republicans, we're
all on the same side. This is a
very big tent where you have conservatives, you
have Tea Partiers still, you have Trumpers,
you have a handful of people who don't
like Trump, you have constitutionalists,
(24:40):
You have libertarians. You have all kinds of
individuals, moderates, you name it. I'm sure there's
a few blue dog Democrats that still vote
Republican. And there's nothing wrong with that. But
when you try to control
and try to dictate, it usually blows up
in your face and people don't listen. And
guess what? It's not you and me talking.
It's the third person that's listening
that is watching, learning, and understanding the nonsense
(25:02):
that's going on. So it is what it
is.
Again, we're gonna keep doing our thing. We
have our chart. Our goal is to
recruit and train anyone who wants to be
involved that fits the young republican description
and get them involved whether it's a candidate,
whether it's, you know, supporting a campaign if
they want to. And ultimately, the goal is
to get Jack Ciattarelli elected in on November
(25:23):
4. And any other things that are going
on, it's just petty distractions
and this is what disengages
people from even participating because they're like, why
do we do this? Just like there's
unfortunately
the the tension between the county executive
and the state center or I mean, fill
in the blank examples that you can do
(25:43):
in the last three or four years. And
it's just unfortunate.
It is what it is And we'll just
keep we'll just keep on going through. And,
we learned quite a bit,
at the national convention in terms of options
and and other things that we learned from
an ally standpoint. But again, I'll just
say this. When,
(26:04):
you take advantage of using a name
that's not yours, it's not legally yours, it's
not your charter,
and then you even fundraise off that and
you're making financial
benefit from that,
that usually leads to a place where you
don't wanna be. Well, all I can say
is that if,
both sides can't unite, can't sit down and,
(26:27):
get this straightened out,
then this is not good for the party.
No. And this No. It's a distraction. It's
a waste of time. Yes. It is. We
just wasted 10.
Exactly. I mean Yeah. I I love being
on your show and talking about this stuff
is is not what I wanna do. I
wanna comment on the issues that matter, and
the point is to beat Democrats, show that
Republican policies are better,
(26:49):
and, you know, that's the point. And there's
going to be
unfortunate blowback when this happens because I've already
seen it. When I have young Republicans tell
me flat out that this is this is
something I don't wanna be involved with because
if I if I hang around you, then
I don't have opportunities to run for office
in the future and vice versa. So it's
it's it's It's terrible. It's terrible. And it
divides the party, and we should be defeating
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Democrats and and making sure Jackson knows exactly
what he wants. United.
You
absolutely both sides, this this side that mister
Purdy began,
that doesn't have the charter but calls itself
the Atlanta County Young Republicans,
needs to come together with the with the
chartered
Atlanta County Young Republicans.
I mean, right now, you've got a middle
(27:32):
class of of people who attend your event.
They've got they hired this young woman, and
she's bringing all young people. Can you imagine
how much better
this Atlantic County Young Republican Club would be
if everybody came together? I mean, the young
(27:52):
would learn from the middle age because that's
who, in fact, is the the age limit
that this Atlanta County Young Republican Club is.
Can you imagine what they would learn from
people that have been attending this and, events
for years that has to do with a
United Republican Party?
I can't I I can't get over
(28:15):
the disinformation that's put out there by one
side against another.
I can't imagine
the
the lack of unity
in a party that needs to be united.
I mean, there are people that may or
may not be running. But if they run,
they're going to have to face questions having
to do just with this Oh, yeah. Particular
issue. And, by god, if they haven't tried
(28:37):
to unite, we gotta get rid of them.
Yeah. And that's just look, we're all
pointing in the right direction,
pulling in the right direction. We all wanna
be on the same side. They're always welcome.
And even more so, I mean, this is
where things
in the accuracy of it, you know, are
are individuals that are being, put in pictures
actually register Republicans? Are they actually people who
(28:59):
live in Atlanta County? Are they actually people
who live in South Jersey? Or they just
happen to be Stockton College graduates that happen
to be there at the end of the
school year to append a party with free
beer and free food? I don't know. So
it is what it is. But the point
is
we have we have the legal charter. We'll
all point in the right direction. We'll do
however we can to help get Republicans elected
even if there are Republicans that attack us
(29:20):
for existing, breathing, etcetera.
The point is to beat Democrats and make
sure that Republican,
government is actually executed,
which our county executive has done in spades,
for decades. And he's the model, and, unfortunately,
people are trying to reject the model. Yeah.
Well, unfortunately,
power
corrupts absolute power corrupts absolutely, and there you
(29:42):
go. What what was that the count of
sandwich or something? Yeah. Totally. Yeah. Anyway, Linda,
good morning. Welcome. How are you?
Wow. Riveted to the radio.
I'm good. Hi, Anne. Hi. Hi, Brian.
I'm so sorry.
What?
You you you're a great guy.
Smart smart as a web. You've been an
(30:04):
asset to the Republican Party for
how long?
Yeah.
This is this is,
Unfair. Listen. I re I remember with Jeff
Andrew. I mean, maybe you thought about taking
a run during the time, and then you
realized when Jeff was coming
on, you did what you should have done.
You know? And,
but you're a good guy.
(30:25):
This
wow.
You're so sorry.
It
is what it is. I mean He's tough,
Linda. Come on. He's gonna do you know?
Eventually more. Yeah. Eventually, everybody's gonna come together.
They're gonna wanna see a united party. We
need to bring Jack Ciattarelli
to the Governor's Mansion.
We need to have him be there as
(30:46):
a uniter.
I mean, that's what he's doing. He's going
all around our state, north, south, east, and
west. He doesn't he doesn't stop for a
day. He's everywhere. Ubiquitous
Jack Ciattarelli
deserves to be our governor, not just because
of his energy level, but because he knows
how to run the state, which is something
this Mikey person has not a clue. No.
(31:10):
And I would take it even a step
further that Democrats and independents here in South
Jersey, guess what? Who's gonna actually give South
Jersey attention? Do you think it's gonna be
Mikey Sherrill as a Democrat? Oh, my never.
Or do you think it's gonna be Jack
Torley? I think all the Independents and the
Democrats down here in South Jersey should go
into Jack's column and show because Jack has
shown
beyond
beyond
(31:30):
the fact that he will do what is
right for South Jersey and not ignore us
like every other governor, unfortunately, does for the
most part. Sure. We're there for taxes. For
sure. Yeah. You've heard that,
yeah,
you you can tell from Trump that
he's got something
that he's not talking about when it comes
to Putin sort of. And,
(31:52):
and he's sort of holding back.
And our thought is and it's a really
darn good thought because it's it's very upsetting.
It's upsetting to me
because we have anywhere from 20 to 35,000
Ukrainians.
We're talking about war crimes.
Putin has taken 20 to 35,000
(32:14):
children
Yep. Ukrainian children.
And that there the people in Ukraine are
waiting for their they want their children.
Yeah. And,
they have been assigned Russian citizenship
citizenship
forcibly
and other things like that. They're supposedly being
adopted into some families.
What you can do that.
(32:35):
Yeah. So this is that? This was Melania's
letter, that was actually leaked that she wrote
to Putin
with with addressing the
in the general terms of releasing the children.
And, again,
in this scenario, I'm trusting Trump's gut judgment,
whatever you wanna call it, because this guy
(32:55):
has spent more time with Putin than any
other person. And whether or not,
people want to acknowledge that fact, Trump knows
exactly how to deal with this guy or
at least a good understanding of what can
I do to try to get the death
to stop? And using that letter was smart.
Exactly. And he it could have been a
joint discussion that him and Melania had that,
(33:17):
hey, let's do this. But also, guess what?
We're throwing we're gonna throw a b two
bomber with fighter jets on each side Mhmm.
Fly over you when you come into Alaska.
And and, like, I can be a nice
guy or I can be,
you know, the worst person that you've ever
met, and you will meet your maker before
you fall into the pits of hell forever.
So that's that's something that ultimately,
(33:38):
Trump definitely has something, and he's you know
this when he's very,
very careful with what he's saying. You're right.
And only time will tell. So I, you
know, I trust the president in this circumstance
beyond,
anything else. This is cruel. It is. It
is. I mean, the amount of death
that's been going on for, what is it,
three years now,
(33:59):
and, again, over over land, over territory. Thousand
children. And children. Exactly. Up to that? That
they're take that that that that have studies
taken?
Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, it's it's not
like they're waiting to for this to be
resolved to go back to their family. They're
being merged into society, it looks like. Yeah.
(34:19):
And then I would imagine
brainwashed and all kinds of other stuff,
and being told that their family's gone anyway
and that's why you have to be here,
that we're the good guys, that we're we're
trying to take care of you, blah blah
blah. And it's just it's unfortunate.
It it is. War crimes.
Totally.
Well, if only. Thanks, guys. Thanks, Linda. Linda,
(34:39):
thank you, my friend. Have a good weekend.
God bless. You too. Bye. Bye.
Yeah. Mister Putin has,
well, he he doesn't believe in God. He's
the God. He's the only God he believes
in.
And, he He's in for a rude awakening.
He he is. He is.
And and right now, all we have to
(35:01):
do is hang in there.
Donald Trump,
is going to,
hopefully,
be
the be the oil on top of the
the raging waters
who's going to be able to show mister
Putin that it is in his best interest
(35:22):
to,
finish this and to get out. And you
know what?
Zelensky,
he is
there is no one in his country other
than for other mothers whose kids are already
in the military. There is nobody there, I
think, that wants to give up more property
to this dictator, to this creep
(35:43):
than has already been taken
and given by that creep Obama
who allowed
this to go on. Yeah. And and again,
this is this is where it gets very
frustrating because if you ever read books throughout
history, decades and decades of time, it's it's
literally policy decisions that individuals make, and that's
why elections are so important.
(36:04):
And
the fact that Barack Obama did not do
anything
Yeah. And when I'm talking about anything, I
mean, do something that
actually
caused material loss and pain on the Russians
and or Putin
is the reason why he was able to
do anything. The whole reason he launched this
attack is because he saw Biden's
(36:25):
complete,
ineffective withdrawal from Afghanistan.
Yeah. And was like he was like, this
is weak. I'm gonna go do this. And
he and Joe Biden as the president said,
unless there's a minor incursion, all this kinda
well, what does that that was basically a
go ahead for Putin.
You need strength. You need someone who's gonna
scare the crap out of you and someone
that is completely unpredictable. And Donald Trump is
(36:47):
that person. And, again, I I'm a realist.
Look, he's here for three more years as
president, and I can only hope that Vance
and or Rubio or that combination of the
two of them,
that likely take over for him,
after '28. Because, again, I say this because
I I really believe that Democrats will not
get their act together by 2028. They're terrible.
(37:08):
They're they're disorganized and they're and they're liars.
They have they have no issue. They have
no leader. They have nothing. So, ultimately, the
assumption is gonna be that JD Vance and
Rubio become the next president and vice president,
and they have to put the fear into
not just Putin, but those around Putin, which
Rubio's been right there, JD Vance has been
(37:29):
right there, Wyckoff has been right there. Oh,
you've been excellent. So they know, and they
know that they're also being evaluated because they
could potentially be be the next. And God
forbid something happens to Donald Trump, it will
be sooner. So, ultimately, I think right now,
Trump can can do something here that gives
us at least
some runway
(37:49):
of three years where this can kinda get
paused, stopped, whatever you wanna call it,
and then it has to be reinforced
in three years.
Because, I mean, that's just objectively, that's the
real the reality of things. And it's unfortunate.
And that's probably the only negative that has
with Trump two point o with him not
being able to go again consecutively because he
(38:09):
got fouled up by,
henceforth, the guy who brought back Donald Trump,
Joe Biden. Nobody nobody will remember Joe Biden's
name. So at the end of the day,
this is where things get get dicey, and
Trump's decisions
are going to have lasting,
monumental
world type Tomes.
Just just like written about what he has
(38:31):
done and Just like what he did with
Iran. Yeah.
Brian Fitzherbert, we have to take a break,
and we're gonna say goodbye because
we have to. I don't want to. I
wish you were here. We were here for
another few hours to discuss stuff. I wish
I had more time too. Yeah. But we
will look forward to next Friday when, hopefully,
you will be available to us. In the
(38:51):
meantime, sir, thank you. You are a wise,
wise young man.
Keep it up. Yep. Absolutely. Thanks for having
me, and I always appreciate it. It's my
pleasure, my friend.
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