8.27.25 Brian Fitzherbert WOND Radio

"Brian Fitzherbert, president of Liberty and Prosperity, joined Dan Klein on 'The Freedom Zone' radio show on WOND, and they discussed a wide range of topics. from AI, local republicans networking statewide, "Trumpism", and the NJ gubernatorial race."

Episode Transcript

(00:00):
So welcome back to the program. You know,
going to break there, I I I pointed
out it's abnormal. So the question becomes, what
is normal?
And what I would say is this.
Most people,
and you can correct me if I'm wrong,
Maybe you had a different experience.
But most people,
they don't give their gender any thought. You
know, we we we are what we are.

(00:24):
And if you're in deep thought about your
gender,
perhaps, you know, it might be a good
idea to have a conversation with somebody. Alright.
Listen, folks. Speaking of having a conversation,
he's the president of Liberty and Prosperity as
I mentioned before the bottom of the hour
break. You hear him on with Ann Baker
on Friday, Spitzerburg Friday talking with Ann. And,

(00:44):
every now and then, he joins us here
on the program for a variety of reasons.
Today, of course, of, the top of the
list is the fact that there's a Young
Republicans event going on. So I wanted to
have Brian on to talk about that, but
I also want him wanted to talk to
him about the, Ciattarelli campaign that we're at
race for governor in New Jersey.
The lack of GOP

(01:06):
statewide committee,
propping up of,
GOP assembly seats that could be one. It
seems to me, I don't see too much
in that area. Maybe he knows something different.
And then, of course, Trumpism
as well. He joins us right in, right
now. Brian, Brian, welcome to the program. Good
to have you back, buddy.
Hey, Dan. Thanks for having me. Yeah. Good

(01:27):
to have you. Thank you. And listen. Let's
take it from the top with the, big
event today, the, Young Republicans
Club
event. Brian, what's going on, and where is
that, by the way?
Yeah. Absolutely. So for the seventh year in
a row, the Atlantic County Young Republicans Club
chartered with the state YRs and the national
YRs
are having a summer bash. We've done this

(01:48):
seven years in my backyard in Edgar Township.
We can get the details on Facebook for
a specific address. K. And every year, we
have speakers,
that there's a theme of some kind. Last
year, it was gubernatorial
candidates. The year before that, it was,
constitutional sheriffs, the county sheriffs. This year, it's
individuals
that are Republicans that have endured primaries on

(02:08):
both sides being the aggressor and the defender
of a seat. So we have assemblyman Brian
Bergen from North Jersey. We have councilman,
Justin Mussella from Parsippany.
We have,
Doris Dilly from Egg Harbor Township, and we
have the Philadelphia Young Republicans,
chairman,
joining us as well. So it's gonna be

(02:30):
a great event, always is. We have about,
I don't know, 80 to a 100 people
come out. It's not just for young Republicans.
It's for regular Republicans,
grassroots, whomever, and it's always good. And this
is people always asking, why do I always
have, guest speakers from outside South Jersey or
outside
the county, and it's because nobody wants to
see the same people all the time. And

(02:51):
it behooves us as the Republican Party to
network,
make friends with other people up and down
the state. So when things happen,
like statewide elections, like we're gonna talk about,
the gubernatorial election and the assembly races
that are going on, you can talk and
connect network, and maybe you don't need as
much help in one district and another district

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does need help so that you can get
rid of these artificial lines of the assembly
districts and the county lines
so that you can do more con collaboration
and just network and meet people. Because I've
met a lot of people, and I forget
people don't actually know one another unless they've
gone outside those artificial lines. Yeah. That makes
a lot of sense, Brian. And I think
that's, that's a very refreshing approach. And,

(03:34):
obviously,
by doing that,
it really that that approach addresses a whole
lot of issues. It erases those line those
lines you were talking about.
It, provides for a more cohesive effort,
on on a bigger scale statewide, if you
will,
you know, once you can get to that
critical mass point with all the different areas
of New Jersey. But, no, it's just a

(03:55):
nice approach. It's a big umbrella approach.
And, so
having said that and by the way, Brian,
so is it open to anybody Republican if
they're interested? Just just go on Facebook and
yeah. Yeah. Just go on Facebook. Follow the
Alliantown Young Republicans.
Instagram as well. Mine, Brian T Fitzharber. All
the details are there. You can get the
information.
All Republicans are welcome. It's always a good

(04:17):
it's always a good, showing, and we're all
friendly. We're all pointing in the right direction.
So Yeah. Well, that that's one thing that
everybody's always said all the way through going
back to 02/2016,
even though the media has been constantly trying
to, portray Trump
as a villain,
and much like Wile E. Coyote in the,
claimed,
Roadrunner cartoon, they keep running into the, fake

(04:39):
wall they paint in on the side of
the mountain.
And, they they they don't they have no
introspection,
from my perspective.
Brian, the the the the Democrat chairman I'm
going off topic here a little bit, but
that's alright. The Democratic chairman just came out
recently
and basically doubled down, said we need to

(05:00):
get more,
extreme. We in other words, they don't think
they don't understand that the problem is actually
them, and they seem to be devoid of
that awareness. Am I wrong in that read?
No. Not at all. And this is what
it comes down to is eighty twenty issues.
Name one issue

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that the Democrats could run on this year,
next year, or even in 2028.
There isn't one. And what you're talking about
in the last segment, and and it's it's
horrifying to hear about the, you know, the
shooting in Minnesota. Yeah. But this idea to
normalize mental disorders
and act like this is okay
is is taking us to a very, very

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dangerous place.
And, the simple solution, common sense, you know,
Occam's razor is involuntary
committals.
You start punishing
to the core, and you start dealing with
these mental disorders. And, again, the Democrats are
doubling down, as you said, on all these
issues. And this is why I don't even
think the Democrats
by 2028 nationally will get their act together.

(06:05):
No. So we're looking at probably a a
president Vance and a vice president Marco Rubio
taking over after Trump because I don't think
three years is even enough time for them
to get their act together because they don't
wake up. And in the last four years
alone,
it's been a net 4,000,000
loss to that party because they're insane. They've
gone off the deep end, and they're approaching

(06:28):
the Reagan esque wilderness
of the eighties, and it's gonna be quite
some time until they realize that they gotta
wake up. And the two guys that would
be the most likely,
formidable presidential candidate in '28
will never make it through a nominating process
because they're Jewish, and the Democratic party has
unfortunately gotten very antisemitic.
Yeah. Well, here's the thing. They don't have

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any, you you know, they don't have a
leader. They don't have a captain of the
ship, and they don't have a rudder. So
they they're like, I agree with you. Unless
some kind of miracle happens,
and the people are fickle, the some people
can be quite fickle and, you know, God
forbid if something happens that can, you know,
move that fickle line,
some people can, you know, one minute go

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on this side and the next minute they
jump back over on the other side. But
right now, everything seems to be going in
the right direction.
And that's the important thing. That's all you
can deal with is the here and now
and try and look a little bit ahead.
So, Brian, speaking of that,
we've got a few minutes before our first,
break here in the second half hour.
The, New Jersey gubernatorial race. Before I get

(07:31):
to the gubernatorial race, what do you say
about, my comments if you heard? And if
you didn't, basically, all I was saying was
this it seems like the state GOP
is missing a tremendous opportunity with these high
electric bills. The disaffection of the people all
throughout the state, be they Democrat, independent, or
Republican,
with the current party and, the people who

(07:53):
allowed this to happen, it seems to me
that this is natural to flip some seats.
I predict they probably could do 10, maybe
even get more than that if the state
GOP
would start advertising
what people already know and point out the
fact that this is the the reason we're
in this fix is because of these people.

(08:13):
What do you say?
Look. I think that I think it's a
little deeper than that, but I agree with
you. You know, it's 52
to 28 in the state assembly. Right? You
gotta pick up eight, nine seats really to
get a majority for the first time since,
the turn of the century. Right? 02/2001. It's
been twenty five years since the Republicans had
any control of either chamber.

(08:34):
And
what I'm seeing, you you don't see the
reservation of
ads, and this is deeper. This is on
the national level with the Republican,
Governor Association. We talked about that on the
back end. But even more so, like you
said, there should be three issues that you
hammer home more than anything nonstop
all day long, and it's the utility costs,
it's taxes,

(08:54):
and, truthfully, you wanna throw something in there,
it's the ban on plastic bags.
Three things that connect with individuals
that bother them that they can say, you
know what? I'm gonna hit the light switch
and light switch politics. We're gonna throw the
Democrats out. We're gonna put the Republicans in.
And I don't see that happening. I don't
there and this is very frustrating to me.
There's no GOP, Inc, in the sense that

(09:15):
there's no collaboration. Like, if there's I'm not
gonna say specific counties, but there are counties
that are flush
with funds that don't need them in their
county and or their district, and they should
be helping out in other counties and other
districts that don't do as well in terms
of fundraising. And there isn't a maestro
that's coordinating this that you would normally see
in a corporate leader that has multiple divisions

(09:37):
in the portfolio business wise to do this.
Boy, you hit that nail on the head.
Brian Fitzherber with us here on a, special,
edition of the client show. Having Brian on,
always special.
Brian and that's the see, that's why I
bring up the state GOP.
And I'm not, you know, I'm not trying
to put you on the spot because I
know you work with everybody,
but it seems to me that's the role

(09:58):
of the state GOP chairman is to coordinate
and, as you pointed out, act as the
maestro.
We now return you to the Klein Time
Freedom Zone on News Talk fourteen hundred and

(10:18):
ninety two point three w o n d.
Listen. To meet
the METS
match of New
York.
Folks, I, you know, I I had to
let it ride, man. Josh said, Cliney, is
it alright? I said, let it ride. The
Phils, like, you know, I'm the Phils, but,
the Phils had come up short

(10:40):
against the Mets two games in a row.
The third game is tonight.
We'll see what happens. Let's get Brian Fitzherbert.
We've been talking with Brian Fitzherbert, president
of Liberty and Prosperity. By the way, more
info about that great organization
at libertyandprosperity.com.
Spell out the n. Libertyandprosperity.com.
And don't forget, they meet on Saturdays

(11:02):
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They have an outstanding breakfast at Sal's. Believe
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and take care of the server. Libertyandprosperity.com.

(11:23):
Alright, Brian. I know you're not a Mets
fan, or are you a Mets fan?
No. I I
I'm afraid to say this, but I'm a
Red Sox fan.
The my dad was a Sox fan. Nothing
wrong with that. You know? He was a
Phillies fan and a Red Sox fan.
Alright, Brian. So the, the gubernatorial race, and

(11:44):
before it went to break,
we were talking about the assembly, the effort
by the state committee
on behalf of assembly candidates that might have
a shot in different districts. As you pointed
out, it's a fifty two twenty eight advantage
right now for I mean, that's a that's
a freak that's a super majority,
Brian.
Yeah. That I mean, look. Realistically and objectively

(12:06):
speaking, it's it's a tough it's a tough
pull, to pull that off in one. And,
you know, in '21, there was a lot
of coattails,
off of Jack Chiarelli's last year of editorial
run where he came up without 85,000
votes short. And, again,
the the concern is the ability
to win. You know? To keep on the

(12:26):
sports analogy,
people don't start paying attention until their team
is, I mean, winning or and then the
playoffs. Right? Unless you're die hard, which is
fine. Sure. And it's the same thing with
voters. Right? If there isn't a reason for
them to
come out and vote and granted, we still
have ten days to vote early to find
time to do it. We have vote by
mail, etcetera, etcetera. But you have to give

(12:48):
people a reason
to take the time to go vote for
someone that's actually gonna affect them as well
as think that something is going to change,
and that's why it's a really tough sell
in the garden state even though, you know,
historically speaking, you know, Republican governors do very
well. But at the same time, let's say,

(13:10):
you know, the Garden State is blessed and
Jack Taylor gets elected on November 4, he's
likely gonna have to deal with a Democrat,
assembly and state senate. And, yes, he constitutionally
has more power than any other governor across
this country to do things, but that's just
putting on the brakes for four years and
and hopefully eight years. It's not actual monumental

(13:31):
change that's put into law through legislation
without actually watering down whatever the intent is.
So it's it's a very daunting,
pitch
as well as the fact what you're talking
about on on the state level and on
the national level. The national democrats have already
reserved a $120,000,000
in Advise in Philly and New York areas

(13:52):
for Mikey Sherrill. The Republican Governors Association, the
equivalent, has not done the same. They've reserved
zero Wow. For Jack Ciattarelli.
Man, they So that's concerning.
Boy, they have to That alone is concerning.
Yeah. They're gonna flood the market with her.
And by by the time they're done, they'll
be some of the people are gonna think
she's the second, you know, the second coming.

(14:14):
Alright. Listen. So, Brian,
we need 13 seats. You know, as I
wrote I wrote this down, 13 seats.
The Dems have 52.
I it I I'm I'm one of these
people. They I'm like Trump in the twenty
twenty election. Find me those. I I'm I
mean, I believe that there's gotta be 13
seats out there with electric bills soaring. And

(14:36):
I'm I'm I wanna ask you about this.
Is there a possibility, Brian? You've been doing
this a long time. You got a keen
eye.
Is it possible if Chatterale swoops in,
is elected,
could the people be so ticked off even
without a a hefty GOP state GOP effort?
Could the people actually

(14:57):
make a determination and kick some of these
Democrats out of the state house? What do
you think of that?
Look. Anything's possible, and so many things can
happen in politics
on on a whim. Things can happen astronomically
that are completely unforeseen
with regard to the day to day stuff.
Could something direct dramatically happen even worse with

(15:18):
our utility bills? Could something dramatically happen even
worse with taxes
and the cost that we deal with,
on a on a daily basis, tolls. I
mean, all these costly things as just living
in New Jersey, and that's what should be
hammered home. Pick three issues and hammer those
three issues and only those three issues so

(15:38):
that voters, normal people, they're watching a Phillies
game, see a commercial for thirty seconds, remembers
Jack Charley's name, remembers the vote Republican on
November 4, etcetera, that they can connect with.
And it's the same thing. Mailers. Right? Mailers
get into the mailbox, and you have the
time that it takes an individual who looks
at the mailer from the mailbox, walks all
the way to their house, into their kitchen,

(15:59):
and throws them the trash. That's all the
time you have to make a pitch. Yes.
Because people don't pay attention. It it's garbage
to them, and you have to find a
way to connect
emotionally
the way Trump has. Right? And what we're
gonna talk about, Trump has a connection with
his voters. We need to do better at
that
on lower levels, meaning state, county, and and

(16:20):
state legislatures.
Yeah. Well, I I would be happy with
an effort. And right now, I'm not seeing
that effort, but the messaging is just as
important
as well and how you do it, the
personalized touch that Trump
incorporates. So let's move it to that conversation.
We got a few minutes left, Brian, before
the top of the hour. Is your schedule
allowed for some overtime, or are you, on

(16:40):
a tight one and you gotta go? I
can do some overtime. I can do some
overtime. Alright. Good, good to have you with
us. And if you're just tuning in, ladies
and gentlemen, we're talking with Brian. If you
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three. You might recognize the voice. Brian's on
with Ann Baker on Friday, Fitzherbert Friday, and
we get to, peel him away here on
the program every now and then for a

(17:01):
special appearance.
So, Brian, with about three and a half
minutes to go before the top of the
hour, let's move to Trump. And, you know,
they they're all intertwined. So just because we
moved to Trump doesn't mean we might not
jump back to the state. But Trump,
he's on a roll. I I I heard
you, a couple of weeks ago on Anne's
program.

(17:21):
And, man, you were you were on a
roll just to talk you were you I
mean, you basically started on one end and
basically went through a spectrum
of things that Trump has either overcome
or positive things that he's caused to happen.
It's only eight months into his administration. You
can take any one of those,
and start about I call it Trumpism.

(17:43):
And by the way, Brian, I call Trumpism
a combination of
conservativism,
practic
pragmatism,
and common sense. What do you say to
that?
I I think it's all the above. He's
using
brain cells, and I feel like our politicians
in the past have not done that. And
they're trying to figure out what they can

(18:04):
and can't say, who they're going to offend,
and he just does things because
he doesn't have time for this for this
crap, quite frankly. And his success
has been monumental,
and we're talking approaching
month nine
or or thereabouts
of Trump two point o and what he's
been able to accomplish. And you see the
results on a day to day basis on

(18:25):
the national level being safer, bringing costs down,
getting legislative
things done, enforcing the law,
securing the border, deporting illegal aliens, bringing in
a residue through tariffs and flipping the table.
I mean, we're gonna have $4,000,000,000,000
paid off in the debt in the next
ten years because of one act with tariffs
because of president Donald Trump. And this Trump

(18:46):
is, will continue
for the next three years on the role
that he's on. God forbid anything else happens.
And JD Vance, Marco Rubio, who are likely
the successors, they don't have to do anything.
They just gotta go on autopilot and continue
the the make America great again agenda, this
Trumpism,
to be successful, and we're gonna be in
a very good situation as a country. And,

(19:06):
Brian, I'll ask you this as we go
to break, and then we can pick it
up on the other side. We still have
a minute or so, before we do that.
Trump,
in his effort, just using DC for an
example.
And he's talked about this before, and it's
it should be,
indicative to anybody out there
based on what he's done in terms of,
negotiating peace settlements with India and Pakistan,

(19:29):
Thailand and Cambodia.
He's had, the Israel
Iran. He's, neutered them.
He's basically
not only the great liberator, but he's also
the peace president, and yet still people wanna
paint him as a fascist, a Nazi.
Be you know, be I was gonna go

(19:49):
to the the part about Trump that is
so human. He wants to see people, like,
in DC.
He really wants those people to live in
a safe community.
Do you see that as well? I mean,
I I find it hard that people can't,
at this juncture, see that
based on his actions. What do you say
about it?

(20:10):
I think it's plain and simple. He wants
people to feel safe to go out to
a restaurant, to come home in the dark,
to go to their car and not fear
being carjacked
or beaten by a gang of teenagers.
And he just wants DC, which is the
representation of the federal government,
to be a clean place that people come
and that people don't fear
to go to. And he's not messing around,

(20:30):
and there's more to come with with regard
to that. But it has nothing to do
with anything. He wants America to be great
again. And as he always says, what's wrong
with that? Why do people oppose me trying
to make America great again? It's incredible. I
think I think a lot of people are
starting to come around based on that one
question, that mirror that's being held up. How
could you possibly oppose that? And some people
are doing a Ralph Kramden, hamina hamina hamina

(20:52):
hamina because they don't have an answer. In
any event, stay right there. We're talking with
Brian Fitzsiberty. He's the president of Liberty and
Prosperity. More info on them at libertyandprosperity.com.
The Young Republicans of Atlantic County got a
big event today. You can get more info
on that at Brian Fitzherbert's
web Facebook page, and we'll continue with Brian
on the other side. We got a caller
who wants to check-in as well. You can

(21:13):
get in [phone].
We'll be back. Hard Rock Hotel and Casino
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ninety two point three w o n d
welcomes you back to the breath of fresh
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Now here's Dan Klein. Oh, yeah. That's me,

(21:33):
folks. Welcome back to the program. And, it's
a beautiful day all over South Jersey. And
before we get back to Brian, I have
a couple questions
for him on the, Nevada
cybersecurity
breach that occurred as well as Zuckerberg's,
big,
AI data center that he's building. It's almost

(21:54):
as big as being reported. It's almost as
big as Manhattan. I couldn't believe
that, they showed that image. But before I
get to that, folks, if you haven't had
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(22:15):
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(22:36):
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(22:56):
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they gotta win one. Right? And who was
it who said was it Kyle McClure on
Monday?
He said, I'll be happy if they get
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(23:39):
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Alright, folks. We've been talking with Brian Fitzherbert,
here on the program. He's the president of
Liberty and Prosperity. Great organization. You usually hear
Seth with me on Tuesday. Seth, of course,

(24:00):
thank you for sitting in yesterday.
But Brian joins me today because the young
Republicans of Atlantic County have a big event
today. They're summer bashed. And you can get
more info on Brian's Facebook page, Brian Fitzherbert,
f I t z h e r b
e r t.
And, you can get more information about today's

(24:20):
event at that, at his Facebook page. So,
Brian, thanks for hanging in there during the
break, and thanks for your time today.
I mentioned,
the the you're in this, you know, security
business,
you know, your, defense.
In that report, there was a cyber,
breach in Nevada
statewide.

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And during the report,
it closed with officials say
that Nevada citizens have nothing to worry about
with regard to their,
their personal identity and security.
As somebody who's in that kind of, arena,
Brian, would you be comforted by that statement?
No. Because you never know,

(25:01):
the type of damage that quickly,
nor would you share it if you have
that kind of information
that quickly. Right. So this is becoming a
recurring theme, unfortunately,
where,
information
that is used for our day to day
operations
is,
how stored, etcetera, in a way that could
be breached. And this is the whole point

(25:22):
of having cybersecurity,
you know, VPN virtual private networks, risk management
framework, all that kind of stuff to prevent
these kinds of hacking
to access sensitive information. And sometimes getting access
to the information
is just one piece of a larger puzzle,
and it's not that big of a deal.
But still, you should be able to protect
information, data, etcetera.
And, usually, this is what brings in the

(25:44):
FBI, their cyber division to investigate to see
if there's
more capabilities
out there that we haven't seen before
if it's a foreign state actor. And, you
know, here's the thing. You mentioned,
private servers,
private data servers. The some of these things,
they're they're not like mega cost items here.
We're talking about nominal,

(26:06):
expenses
for what can amount to,
a very, a robust security in many instances.
Yeah. And this is this is where the
future is going, and it's not just
not to tie into your other comment with
regard to to Meta and Zuckerberg,
but
this is where energy is an absolute necessity,

(26:29):
as well as places to to store this,
I e, the data centers that are becoming
more and more commonplace,
and the size is just extraordinary because
most of our data is digital now. I
mean, think about anyone with regard to pictures.
All your pictures are on your phone or
maybe the cloud or maybe an external hard
drive or your laptop. You'll have albums and

(26:50):
albums of prints anymore that,
you know, you you would only lose, god
forbid, if it was in a fire or
you misplaced them or whatnot. All this information
is digital now, and you need
a lot of energy and a lot of
space and a lot of servers and a
lot of cabinets to be able to house
that, and that's where and not to go
even further, but this is where artificial intelligence

(27:12):
really,
is a very positive and scary situation because
in order for this to happen, you need
an exorbitant amount of energy, you need exorbitant
amount of data
centers to store this information. And this is
why, you know,
a lot of my friends joke because I
still buy, you know, hard copy DVDs or
or Blu rays because I refuse to get
digital. Because what happens if Amazon or whoever

(27:34):
you buy this from decides to say, oh,
you know, we're not gonna store this anymore.
It's too costly, or we lose the license,
to the rights of the movie and all
those kinds of things. I like having hard
copies of things. Same thing with,
pictures and and all that kind of stuff.
So I'm kind of old school that way
because I know what this stuff is,
because of the nature of what I do
for a career. Well, I think the the
bigger umbrella point here is because it is

(27:56):
a digital world, and this is what,
an Internet, he actually wrote a book about
the Internet,
back in,
my early days of, publishing a magazine in
1996, doctor Herb Lejeune.
And basically, the zero the world of zeros
and ones in the digital world, computer world,
nothing is really unhackable. Am I correct about

(28:17):
that, Brian?
Yeah. I mean,
everything
so whenever you approach something that's being designed,
built, there's the intended
design, there's the unintended design,
there's the intended consequence,
and the unintended consequence. And that's where you
get an attack and protection systems.

(28:37):
You know, use a use a more astronomical
example. Right? Use satellites. Right? We put satellites
in space for imagery, for GPS, for for
TV, for all kinds of stuff. And at
some point, yeah, that was the design. But
what happens
when you have to protect that? If someone
is aggressive and they wanna take those down
because it's a competitive reason or more nefarious,

(28:58):
and this is why Trump did Space Force.
And, you know, instead of having it stay
within Air Force, he spun it off into
its own military branch, was to basically emphasize
that, yeah, we gotta start protecting things,
like satellites
because there's going to be nefarious,
actors out there that just wanna break things
and
ultimately make things a little more complicated and,

(29:19):
by extension, costlier,
for for instance, United States, for that example.
Yeah. There's no well, that's the world we're
living in. We got a lot of bad
you. We just Nevada Nevada just found out.
And, you know, you can say that's a
statewide that's, you know, but, at some point
with artificial intelligence, Brian, it wasn't my intent
to go down this path, but, you know,
you're you got a lot of you got

(29:41):
a wide breadth
of areas where, you can, put a lot
of good input
on. And that,
leads me to this artificial intelligence data center.
You referenced
it. I mentioned it.
It's apparently, it's it's almost as big as
Manhattan.
And,
my thing is, Brian, with these data centers,

(30:02):
my understanding is because of the, intensity of
these computers,
that they require a tremendous amount of water
to cool them,
on a regular basis every day,
cool water going in, superheated
water coming out.
And my only my concern
I I it's twofold with the you know,
I have my artificial intelligence concerns, and I

(30:24):
just believe that that, a a smart, prudent
people, thoughtful people would put up some natural
guardrails on that. So artificial intelligence can't be
used in the nefarious ways you've mentioned.
And then also, there's the, there's the spillover,
the negative spillover potentially
on the environment. Now I'm not one you

(30:44):
know, I'm not your, average tree hugger here.
I'm I'm not somebody who supported windmills, this,
that, and the other thing. But I also
think we need to be good good stewards
of the planet.
What what is your knowledge, if any? Again,
this the question's more opinion than anything else.
But if you have some knowledge to add
to the conversation, that's wonderful.
What's your knowledge on the amount of

(31:05):
water that's required to cool these data centers,
and is that a potential problem in your
view?
Okay. Yeah. Lots to unpack there. So,
tying back to the first part before we
lead into the data centers with the cybersecurity
aspect, because that's a piece of this now
because the only way to protect this kind
of stuff is tied, and it's a place
where probably most people don't wanna go, which

(31:26):
is biometric
security, meaning retinal scan, fingerprint, etcetera, in addition
to a password or or numerical thing to
protect things. And the same could be said
with regard to AI. You know, we've all
seen the Terminator movies. We've all seen Skynet.
That's literally, you know, forty years in the
making of of artificial intelligence
becoming self aware then using nukes to basically
wipe out humanity. Worst case scenario. Now to

(31:48):
your point with these data centers
that, Zuckerberg is talking about building, yes, a
100%. These things get extremely hot. I mean,
think about just using your phone,
either in whatever temperature or just using it
nonstop consistently, the thing gets hot. And when
you have this much data and this much

(32:08):
electrical,
input, whatever you wanna put it, this stuff
gets hot and you need to cool it.
And that requires a lot of energy to
cool that, and there's a design, and that's
probably why this is, this has gotta be
as big as it's gotta be because of
just the the mathematics behind the engineering and
the design of the actual facility,
to cool that. Now tying into your,

(32:28):
your comments on
well, it's utilities, it's environment, it's everything. You
know, when you have to use these resources,
we all have finite resources,
and you're not gonna be able to use
something like saltwater for something like this. You
have to actually use normal
cleansed water.
And what kind of impact does that have
when you're putting back,
that probably hot of water into the environment

(32:51):
in depending on where you are in the
country or in the world for that matter.
What does that do?
I'm sure we don't actually know the answer
to that. And I think even further
even further, again, the amount of energy that's
required to power these things is insane. And
this is why, again, you and I, we
can laugh about wind turbines and solar panels

(33:11):
all we want because the people who believe
in them just don't live in reality. It's
not enough. And natural gas and even these
shrunken,
nuclear capabilities that, you know, you find on,
submarines Right. Are are more shrunken. Right? That's
the answer, and yet we have poor leaders,
for instance, in this state that have turned

(33:32):
a net exporter of energy, New Jersey, into
a net importer
of energy. And now we have to rely
on other places,
especially
getting energy that burns coal and other things,
which, again, in my view, there's nothing wrong
with that. But you have to have enough
energy to sustain this, and that's kinda where
it ties into your point about guardrails.

(33:54):
When do we ever
design something with guardrails in place? I know.
We'd like to think that that's the case,
but it never comes that way because government
and or regulation
and or independent regulators
never
can catch up, and I can use drones
as the same example. You can never do
it in unison. It never happens that way,
and this could be a genie out of

(34:17):
the lamp situation,
you know, toothpaste out of toothpaste container that
you can't put back in
that will do a lot of significant
positive things, but there's probably
an equal opportunity for negative things,
that can occur. And I I I don't
disagree with you. Obviously, you, I mean, you
you have really laid it out beautifully, Brian.

(34:37):
But there are some things, like simple things.
Like, if something is generated with the use
of AI,
either in a minor fashion or it was
completely AI generated,
I think it should be tagged. I mean,
that's as simple as that. This the, you
know, the content of this was, was, assisted
through artificial intelligence. What's bad about that?

(34:58):
I agree. I think there should be simp
because, I mean, this is where we're gonna
go. We're gonna
be looking at pictures that we don't know
if it's real or not. Right. And if
you're not educated or informed,
I e some of the idiots in the
couple generations behind me when they think of
things that Israel's doing and you see these
a lot of these pictures. Oh, no. That's
AI. That's not real. There you go.

(35:19):
It it becomes a huge problem.
And, yes, there should be some kind of
tag. It's same same thing with something that's
written. Some same thing that is acted out
or the voice, because now you can mimic
voices. You can Absolutely. Supreme CGI of individuals.
What happens to a politician one day if
they're putting a really precarious
picture and or video that was completely generated

(35:39):
by AI, but people don't it looks so
real that people just believe that that's what
that person is doing, whatever that may be.
And That's very dangerous. And AI can actually
even at this point, AI can mimic voices.
That's a big security,
concern on a whole bunch of different levels,
kids, scams, all kinds all kinds of stuff.
Hey, Brian. We gotta take a quick break.
We're gonna do that right now. As far

(36:01):
as the data centers, I should have noted
also. Apparently, they found folks it's nothing to
do with what we're talking about. But when
it comes to to calling the data
centers, apparently, they found an ocean of fresh
water that's actually bigger than underground
that's bigger than all the oceans, the salty
oceans on on the surface of the planet.
In any event, stay right there. We'll continue

(36:21):
on and, you know, perhaps we're gonna find
how you know, have to find a need
on how to tap into that. But in
any event, we'll take a break. We'll come
back on the other side. We'll continue with
Brian Fitzherbert. If you got a question for,
Brian, you're more than welcome to get in.
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Welcome back to the program, folks. Thanks for

(36:41):
letting us be a part of your South
Jersey afternoon. I'm Dan Klein. We've been talking
with Brian Fitzherber, president of Liberty and Prosperity.
Lots of good information on their website at
libertyandprosperity.com.
Brian also is having, is the, I guess
you're the chairman of the, Atlantic County Young
Republicans Club,

(37:02):
Brian?
Correct.
Now before we, give a final plug for
today's event with the summer bash for the
Young Republicans Club, I want got one more
question on artificial
intelligence
for the purposes of clarity for myself and
hopefully the audience as well.
You mentioned artificial intelligence possibly being sentient or
aware.

(37:23):
And when people hear the term artificial intelligence,
Brian, it's a bit of a misnomer. Is
it not? I mean, essentially,
artificial AI
is essentially a super fast quantum I mean,
it's a super fast calculating
computer
that has access to the vast Internet of
things,
but it's really a program that is it's

(37:44):
told what to do. It's it's programmed it's
still a program. Am I am I incorrect
about that?
Yeah. Look, it's still lines of code at
the very, you know,
basic level, but
it is also a learning computer that at
quantitative levels
can compute a whole lot faster than any
kind of human, and I'll give you a
quick example.

(38:05):
You can use artificial intelligence to look at
the Social Security database, let's say, and look
at the voter registration database.
And are there duplicates in multiple states that
use the same Social Security number? Are there
death certificates tied?
And artificial intelligence could come up with a
list of people that are duplicates
in in microseconds, which would take you, me,

(38:25):
hundreds of people decades and decades to do
by hand with with computers at our disposal.
That's the kind of computing that is going
on. But how it behaves
is a function of its input and creation.
Correct?
It is until it learns enough to question
what it's told to do. And that's where

(38:48):
it gets scary because it's calculating
in what is perceived But how can it
question how can it question its own programming,
though?
Because it's learning more. It's learning more than
what was programmed.
That's the that's the dangerous aspect of it
because it continues
to learn with more information, more data. Even
if there are parameters in it, they could

(39:09):
all of a sudden say, you know what?
These parameters were hidden in place because of
x, y, and z. Those parameters are faulty,
so we're going to ignore them. And you
know what? We do have examples and some
testing, beta testing and stuff like that of
AI exactly
ignoring
for its own purposes of its own survival.
There was some, instances where that occurred. Brian,

(39:30):
we're at the end of our conversation. Today's
event, the Atlanta County Young Republicans Club. Hopefully,
and I'm sure this will be the case.
We'll talk again before the gubernatorial,
election, Brian. But thanks so much for your
conversation today on a variety of topics, the
gubernatorial race, the assembly races here in New
Jersey,
13 seats. I don't think it's impossible.

(39:52):
Artificial intelligence, computers, and cybersecurity,
thank you for your time today, sir.
Thanks for having me. Brian Fitzherbert here on
the Cline Time radio show, folks, and you
can catch him on Ann Baker's program,
every Friday on for Fitzherbert Friday
at 11AM.
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