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as he should be.
Son of a gun. Anyway,
good morning, everybody. This is Anne Baker, and
I am, of course, with Brian Fitzherbert on
Fitzherbert Friday.
And,
we're we're talking about things that are going
on in our community,
But Brian is also someone who's heavily involved
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in the weapons industry,
and he,
he knows more than you and I will
ever know about what's happening and perhaps the
consequences of things that are happening in the
weapons industry,
according to the government's needs and what other
governments
our government is helping with the weapons industry.
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So,
Brian, take it from what you'd like to
talk about. Yeah. Yeah. Look, it's
we see a lot of things on the
international,
stage right now. Obviously, the Ukraine Russia war
that's,
you know, the peace Trump's trying to do
peace deals, but if you can't get two
people to come drink the water, you might
just throw throw your hands up and say,
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you know what? We got other things to
move on to. What do you make of
Steve Witkoff going and telling Zelensky that he
sat down with Putin and he's gotta give
up Zelensky's gotta give up five areas of
Ukraine?
I think that this is
the point of negotiation, that
if you want peace,
you have two options. You either continue war,
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which you will not win, or you find
ways to survive.
Make Ukraine
as a country survive. Your people survive. Your
culture survive.
Wyckoff is obviously very trusted by Donald Trump
and he's
assisting Rubio from multiple standpoints because Rubio's gotta
be the top diplomat, but he can he
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can coordinate and collaborate with Steve Wyckoff just
like Wyckoff went to Putin to get the
dancer, the bout the Russian joint,
citizenship, Russian US out of out of that
prison,
which again, this is this is Donald Trump's
mantra
is I want peace. And he understands full
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blown that God forbid, if we ever have
to go beyond peace,
it's gonna be total annihilation
and that's the only way. The only way
you defeat somebody is you kill every single
one of them and obviously this has been
the trend with Israel and Hamas.
Netanyahu has made that decision that until things
consistently change,
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no. We're gonna continue moving forward and this
is what it's gonna be,
etcetera.
So
Zelensky getting that
answer
or that suggestion
or that direction that that's what Putin wants,
he's gotta make a decision.
Do you want to end this war
and, for lack of better terms, cut the
losses that you have already, the thousands tens
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of thousands of people that have died so
that you can survive for the future?
Or do you wanna be
wiped out completely and then Ukraine becomes,
unfortunately, a thing of history?
But everyone knows
that Russia and Putin
are liars to the extreme. Mhmm. They also
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were part of the deal when Ukraine gave
up all of their nuclear weapons Yep. To
protect them and to not,
invade.
And sure can be, there is mister Putin
who invades, and mister Biden literally allows it
to happen. The man should be hung as
a traitor.
He won't be, and there are people out
there that are just,
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going to have a stroke because of it.
But you know what? He was a traitor,
not only to our country, but to our
allies,
and he deserves no respect. He he deserves
to be the worst president we've ever had,
but he was a traitorous
president.
And quite frankly, if I'm Zelensky,
no matter what I've done or no matter
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what kind of corruption there is, there's not
a country around that isn't corrupt including our
own.
And when people say, oh, he's so corrupt,
so we're going to, you know, make him
do what we want him to do. He
shouldn't do what we want him to do.
He's the president of the country. And if
they're asking for five pieces of Ukraine now,
what makes us think that Putin
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should he survive or one of the other
terrible people that are waiting for him to
die Yeah. What's to say that they're not
gonna go back in to get the whole
piece? Yeah. And this again, this is where
the security guarantees
discussion comes in because,
again, this is what Trump is talking about
by saying, alright, NATO, you better start doing
your 2% if you're not. And Europe, guess
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what? You better start paying for more of
your defense. Worse, The United States is sick
and tired of subsidizing your lifestyle and your
pension system and your your ridiculous five weeks
of vacation,
in August every year, you're gonna start spending
more money
on defense and your own defense because if
there is an issue with Russia,
Europe, you're going to lead this, you're going
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to handle this, and then NATO will be
activated.
So there's a lot of things going on
that are strategic
and again, this
is this is classic Trump from my perspective.
He throws a bomb whether it's
philosophical,
theoretical, whatever that may be and he watches
what happens, how people react. He did it
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with tariffs, he's done it with asking for
2%, three %, four %,
above the conditions that are required for NATO
etcetera of GDP that you need to contribute
to defense. Right. And all of these things
have to come into play of, okay, well
what is
what's the stopping point for,
Ukraine and or Russia if they agree to
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peace? Alright. If Ukraine gives up these five
pieces of land, I I would assume it's
the Eastern part of Ukraine, Donmar Region, etcetera,
that,
The industrial section. Yeah. I mean, they're never
they're never gonna get Crimea back, etcetera.
And you have,
let's say, for
normal speak, you have temporary,
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stoppage of war. And let's say Trump is
in, he's in for four years. And in
four years, God forbid, a democrat gets elected
and Putin's like, okay. Cool. Green light again.
I can go back in and let's let's
come back some more. Putin's only got so
many years left to live. Right? So you
have to think about that in the strategy
and the calculation. Then who would take his
spot?
Do they have the same aspirations to bring
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back the Soviet Union and expand Russia's land
base?
Again, this is where Trump makes a decision
to leverage existing sanctions even further. You know,
everyone got so out of bent out of
shape. Like, there's no tariffs on Russia. We
don't trade with Russia. That's why there was
no tariffs on Russia. And there are sanctions.
And then the next step is, okay, anyone
who does business with Russia, we're going to
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sanction you. And anyone who does business as
a pass through with Russia, we're going to
sanction you. We're not going to do any
trading with you. We're going to amp up
the tariffs on, for example, let's say, ally
Germany because you get all your oil from
Russia. All these things to leverage something
to basically get Putin to stop temporarily. I
mean, nothing's permanent when it comes to, like
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you said, the Russians and Putin and what
he wants. He wants Ukraine. He wants a
rebuild of the Soviet Union before he dies,
and that's ultimately Russia's plan. And that could
be a fifty year plan or you think
about what China wants. They think in thousand
year plans, what they want to do. So
all these things you have to think about
the leverage point. You have to think about
what can you get right now
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that can last. And again,
look,
there's all for supporting a country like Ukraine
that got invaded and you can go into
all the other instances of why this happened.
Look, there's martial law right now. Elections have
been suspended.
Zelensky is still the president but they skipped
an election to even throw him out or
to reelect him. So there's all these kinds
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of things but thousands, tens of thousands of
people have died.
When is it enough?
And as much as
it it stinks to lose or lose parts
of your country, it's no different than someone,
a legal alien coming onto your property
and squatting in your garage and saying, I
claim this garage and you can't for whatever
legal standpoints in a blue state get rid
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of them because there's all of a sudden
squatters rights and everything in between and what
do you do? Do you cut your losses
and say, alright, I'm just gonna burn the
garage down because I've got I can't get
the person out, so I'm this is what
I'm gonna do. And you cut your losses
because of all the other psychological things. It's
the same concept.
Do does Ukraine want to survive?
Do their people want to survive to maintain
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their country, their people, their heritage, their culture,
or do they wanna keep fighting until ultimately
probably this stalemate becomes an asymptote and over
ten years everybody dies?
I don't know. It's sad.
And But again, you cannot trust Russia.
You
as you said, they do want to go
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back to the, Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.
They you know, they take, Ukraine.
They're gonna go
right there to Poland. Mhmm. Poland understands that,
but Poland is part of NATO. Poland is
part of NATO, and that's where that activates.
And again, Trump is being very smart here
with again, he's he did it in Trump
one point o. He's doing it again. He
said, you guys are all gonna do 2%
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and we're gonna pull out of NATO. He
got everybody to pay more money. Now he's
saying, guess what? You guys gotta do 4%.
You guys gotta up your ante and that's
kinda what Maloney,
the Italian prime minister and all these other
European leaders are gonna have to think about.
They're gonna have to reallocate their budgets where
they're going to have to spend more on
their defense. They're gonna have to buy more
rockets and missiles and other things to protect
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their countries as well as the European Union
because again, we as United States cannot subsidize
the safety and security of the rest of
the world. You have to defend yourself. We
will come in when,
God forbid, it's absolutely necessary
because enough is enough. We spent enough blood
and treasure of our own on a lot
of things in the just in my lifetime,
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notwithstanding
everyone listening's lifetime.
Enough is enough and that's why Trump is
making the statement today that Zelensky
and Putin, you better do something or I'm
walking away from this and you don't want
me not being the the person who try
to pull you together. I'm gonna be the
one that's gonna make it so unbelievably
brutal for you to maintain any social order
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going forward. And that's what Trump's gonna do,
and he's done it before. Okay. With all
the countries that surround it, what what kind
of effect are tariffs going to have on
how these countries respond? Yeah. At some point,
they're gonna have to bend the knee because
they can't
survive.
And again, Trump's point is not everyone tries
to mischaracterize that he wants to use this
as a revenue stream. Yeah, he kinda does,
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but the end goal
is 0%,
actual free trade. If I have a car
in The US, there's no tariff on it
going out into another country. If I go
and buy a car at another country, there's
no tariff on it coming in. That's the
goal. And eventually,
again, austerity measures or budget, again, you can't
spend like a drunken sailor forever. You have
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to make decisions, you have to make cuts,
and you have to think about productivity.
What are you producing
for what you're spending money on? And again,
we've seen this with the Doge team. We've
seen this already. All these countries have to
make a determination because at some point and
this is why China did the exact opposite
of what they should have done and joined
the other 75 countries that came to the
table to talk to Trump for negotiation.
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They're upping the ante of the trade war.
And you know what? We can last longer
than they can. They're the ones that are
gonna have to bend because they need us
to buy their stuff. We don't buy their
stuff. Guess what? Americans pay off debt. They
increase their savings. They increase their disposable,
income, all kinds of things as a result
of that. And what China sits with stuff
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and what happens. Stores have to drop the
prices
significantly
to get rid of inventory, merchandise, whatever that
may be, to get it off the shelves.
And all this we've again, we've seen before.
The Democrats are trying to say, oh, no.
This is like the Smoot Hawley tariffs. This
is gonna be detrimental to the economy.
No. Actually, do your history. The point is
negotiation and leverage. And The United States has
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all the leverage that they need to be
able to make all these other countries do
what Donald Trump is asking. And if they
don't, they're the ones that are gonna suffer.
Yeah. We'll suffer a little bit. We can
last longer, and they will eventually bend the
knee. And if they don't bend the knee,
they will destroy their own economy and they'll
do it destroy their own balance sheet as
a country, and then they'll be in even
worse worse off situation. So, again, Trump knows
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this, and this bothered him for four decades
that we haven't had a president with boulders
between the legs to actually do this on
behalf of the American people to again, the
goal is 0%
tariffs, free trade, and to bring down the
cost of things for us. So you think
that the industries that are now in The
United States Of America are going to do
well. They will endure.
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However, those industries that actually want to come
back to The United States now to take
advantage of the tariffs or the no tariffs
that will be on their goods,
well,
it's gonna take them two or three or
four years
to come back and to restart
their production lines
to hire the people that they need.
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How long do you think it should take,
and what do you think president Trump will
be able to do to, again, exploit and
explore,
what the future of these, industries are gonna
be? Yeah. Again, most people think of instant
satisfaction or instant,
everything, and guess what? The business world doesn't
operate like that. They have five and ten
year plans
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where they're looking out and they're making
predictions based on assumptions. I assume we're gonna
get,
you know, such and such built by certain
date. We're gonna get this much product. We're
gonna sell this much. All this stuff, it
happens I mean, this is all filing in
public traded companies that you see when they
do their quarterlies.
All this information when they do their LRP's
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or long range planning,
all this happens over a period of time.
And in in your example, yeah, if a
country
has preferential
environment, business environment for you to build your
product,
cheaper than anywhere else and that's what you
do. And the same could be said what
Trump is saying, build it here in The
US. You don't have to deal with the
tariffs. Now withstanding, you'll have lower corporate taxes
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and the last piece of it is the
labor constraints. Right? So
the argument would be that most of these,
businesses would go to right to work states,
red states Right. That allow,
the freedom to choose if you wanna join
a union or not so that it limits
the power of
basically,
driving up the cost of labor, which we've
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now seen in the automotive industry. This is
why cars, American cars are so expensive
and not as,
quote unquote, good of a car as, say,
a Korean or Japanese car because they don't
have high labor costs, and they can take
all that extra income that they have and
put it right back into the business or
the product or whatever that may be. So
we're talking it could be two years. It
could be four years for depending on the
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product, depending on what they're building, but the
environment
is there. And they have to make choice
business leaders have to make choices today. Do
we wanna hold off and hope that, you
know, in three years Trump's gone and the
Republicans are gone or, oh my gosh, what
happens if in three years Trump's acolytes
of DeSantis and or Rubio and or JD
Vance becomes the president for four years, maybe
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even eight years,
and they keep the same thing. Oh my
gosh, that's twelve years
that we could be at a disadvantage from
a business perspective because all the other companies
decided to do it and we didn't. That's
the decisions that these chief executive officers and
business leaders are having to make because the
people are with Trump.
His approval ratings show that repeatedly.
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So all these business leaders are going to
have to make a choice because it has
to do with the solvency of their own
company and maximizing profit to their shareholders and
the stakeholders. And if they don't do it
and they get caught in this, they're gonna
lose their job, they'll be replaced with someone
who will do it.
Again, self preservation. All these CEOs
like making a lot of money and they
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like making decisions that will keep them in
that position making a lot of money, and
they're trained and they have the skill set
to do that. That's why they'll ultimately make
that decision. So you think all the employees,
who are going to be employed by these
new businesses, so to say, who have come
from other countries, they're gonna be making enough
money that they will, in fact,
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reignite our economy again. I think two things
will happen because we've seen something similar. World
War two, after that, we had a lot
of women moved into the labor force because
obviously the men were were fighting in war.
And then when everyone came back, they couldn't
afford,
dollar for dollar like, I can't pay you
this much money blah blah blah, but I
can give you fringe benefits and that's where
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having health care,
dental,
eye,
other retirement match, all these fringe benefits as
part of your compensation
package, not your salary or your base pay
or your bonus or whatever
is a creative way to attract talent labor
in terms of what you can do. And
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we'll probably see that dynamic again where something
that we don't think about that businesses are
gonna offer
as a fringe benefit
as part of your compensation
to make it worth your while for this
job to even recruit you from something else
or to make it work. And that's why
all these,
dare I say, red states or in the
South
that are not as high GDP as, let's
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say, Northeast states,
or
conglomerate states that have a high population,
they're gonna have a lot more runway because
the cost of living
isn't as high. The taxes aren't as high.
Oklahoma versus New Jersey, Oklahoma will defeat New
Jersey on every single level. And I use
that as an example because guess what? Oklahoma
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has the exact same thing that we have
here in South Jersey. They have an FAA
tech center. They're the only other state that
has something similar. And if
you actually see what they're doing versus, unfortunately,
what we're doing, it's very different because they
can keep costs low because taxes are low,
regulations are low, everything is lower.
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We don't have much time in this segment.
Would you recommend if you were an adviser
to,
president Trump when it comes to taxes, not
even on on goods, not even on the
new new things that are
that will be coming back into the country,
would you ever recommend a flat tax for
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all of the people? Because people are now
saying that with everything that's gonna be coming
back into our country and how productive we're
going to be and how rich we're going
to be that maybe there won't be any
income tax anymore.
What what's your what's your outlook for that?
I've always been a fan of it in
theory,
but in application,
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it wouldn't work because there's too many different
hands. The reason we have a state income
tax
is because New Jersey decided they wanted more
revenue. The reason we have a New Jersey
sales tax is because they wanted more revenue.
If we have a federal flat tax, literally,
you you pay a flat tax based on
one of your income, you don't have marginal
rates, you're not into brackets,
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that's one way. But guess what? There's all
these things, they create a tax to pay
for something. You have the highway taxes. You
pay tolls to pay for a bridge, but
then once the bridge is complete, you're still
paying tolls on those. You pay for tolls
on the roads.
Every someone will find some new thing to
tax even if we did a flat line
baseline recovery today, got rid of every single
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tax and said, guess what? There's gonna be
one federal flat tax and there's gonna be
one state flat tax. What's to stop it
from increasing? What's to stop it from adding,
oh, you know what? We need another flat
tax on this or this. Have you seen
the movie before?
And unfortunately,
this is why the idea that Trump is
trying to do in terms of trying to
understand your taxable income deductions, etcetera,
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to
prefer behavior. You want people to buy homes.
You want people to have to be able
to deduct the interest on the mortgage of
those homes because you want people to have
homes. So I like it in theory. In
application, it would never
Bummer. Work.
Well,
in any case, we're at the end of
this segment, but please stay with us. We
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have another segment to go, and there are
still a lot of topics that I think,
our buddy, Brian Fitzherbert, on Fitzherbert Friday. Good
morning, everyone. This is Anne Baker on Talking
with Anne, and I am here with Brian
Fitzherbert on Fitzherbert Friday. And we are discussing
a great number of things, including
corporations coming back into our country because of
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the tariff situation.
But there is another
there's another issue,
that is is going to be coming up
soon.
Now we've seen,
senators, including our own senator Booker wants to
get involved in the illegal immigrant that was
sent to El Salvador to the prison.
Okay.
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Enough said on that because he's a bum,
and these senators are bums as well. Yep.
What are we going to do? And John
is really concerned about this.
What are we going to do when,
the Trump
Organization
when the people he's put in place like
Tom Homan,
they've gotten the criminals off the street. They've
gotten all the people that were the gotaways.
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What then happens to the families that have
been here
for a number of years, are working,
have not committed crime, have had children in
this country.
What is,
our president and,
Tom Homan going to do
when they have depleted the roles of those
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who are criminals who came in under Biden?
What are they going to do?
And
we know that the left wing is going
to have cameras of plenty
on every family that is,
taken from this country and sent back to
their own with children having been born in
this country. It's another another issue, birthright.
But with this, what do you think is
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gonna happen to our country when this is
going to be
on, prime,
TV and people are gonna be watching families
being put on planes and sent back to
a very, very poor country. Yeah. So respectfully,
I'll I'll correct one thing. They're all criminals,
regardless if they've committed additional crimes and doesn't
legally exist. Actually, they're not. Because if you
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consider what that Biden character said when he
was running for office, surge the border, if
you consider what he did when he became
president, which is was the exact same thing
that people were gonna be allowed to cross
the border, and he was gonna have all
these things to process them, to keep track
of them, and give them asylum of some
kind.
Yeah. The man was a criminal from his
roots to the top of his head, and
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this is shameful.
But what are we going to do about
it? Right. So if you start with the
premise that no matter what, illegal aliens are
criminals because their first act on American soil
is an illegal one because they they haven't
done anything, why haven't they made their
situation right
now? They haven't made any decisions to do
that. They've been here, like you said, let's
say, they've been here for years. They've
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attempted to assimilate, let's say, but the the
likelihood is they haven't really fully assimilated because
they haven't made themselves right with the law
by leaving the country and coming back and
getting in line and doing it the right
way. So what's gonna happen is this will
tie in with your comment with birthright citizenship
that has been challenged and will ultimately go
to the Supreme Court where I suspect the
Supreme Court will rule that no, because of
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those few words in the constitution
subject to the jurisdiction thereof,
you are not an American citizen. You are
going to go. Now is there a legislative
fix that could be done? Sure. There's all
kinds of ways that you could do this.
Whether or not it gets passed, Democrats will
never give Donald Trump a win because he
tried to give a win with the dreamers
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in Trump one point o with funding for
the wall. I'll we'll grant amnesty 800,000 dreamers
and the Democrats didn't go for it. The
legislative fix would be, okay, you've been here
for twenty or thirty years, you're gonna pay
thirty years of taxes and you're gonna pay
taxes for the rest of your life
to and whatever that flat or average rate
that we determine
and you're not gonna commit another crime as
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long as you're here and you're never gonna
get citizenship
and you're never gonna have access to Social
Security, you're never gonna have access to something
of that nature, some compromise
that could be a legislative fix because the
alternative is no, you don't belong here, you
committed a crime, you never made yourself right
with the law, you need to be deported.
And
again, if there are minor children that are
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part of those
individuals that are gonna be deported, this notion
of separating families,
they go with them. They go back home.
Sure. Because again, we have custodial rights here
in this country where until you're 18, your
parents have custodial rights over you. Just like
if someone gets arrested,
there's
the separation of the family because the person
who committed the crime goes to prison. Now
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the child can't go to that prison because
obviously
in that instance or example, they are here
legally. But when it comes to being deported
to another country because you came here illegally
and you never made any decision
in all those years to make yourself right
with the law, that's on you. That is
on you. So again, the right thing to
do is to support every single one of
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them because they are all criminals. But if
they haven't made any decision to make themselves
right with the law again, that's their fault.
And a legislative fix that congress could do
assuming compromise with democrats
to do something where you pay back taxes
and you never get citizenship
and you don't get qualifications for Social Security
or Medicare or Medicaid and you find some
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middle ground that you can say or you
get a work permit but you're never gonna
be a citizen. That could be a compromise
from a legislative standpoint.
Would that be helped by making it,
easier for people to leave the country
and then go to the embassy to go
through the legal procedures to come back into
the country? Well, that's what the assumption that
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the democrats consistently say that our immigration system
is broken. It's not broken. They just want
more people here. It works fine. There's a
line. We allow 2,000,000 people legally to come
and immigrate here.
And if it exceeds that,
why do we wanna do that as a
competition with our existing American citizen base to
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do that? Then the question becomes, okay, well,
why do we only have 2,000,000? Should we
do 4,000,000? Should we do 10,000,000?
Do we have the capacity to do that?
Our tax is gonna have to go up.
If more and more kids utilize
obviously right now illegals in education systems now,
hospitals, healthcare systems that are overdrawn, all these
things, why do we need
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We can't import the world, and when we
import the world and the world's problems, they
become our problems. So again, all these instances
of the Democrats saying the immigration system is
broken, it's not broken. They just want more
people because they want more voters because they
wanna stay in power. Do you think we'll
ever get legislation that will,
allow citizens from other countries
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to immigrate to our country if they have
skills that we need? Because we've seen enough
impoverished people
crossing our borders,
by the millions
who, in fact, most of them stay impoverished.
Many of them get jobs.
Many of them, in fact, have become
deeply ingrained into their communities. But,
(27:34):
what are we gonna do about that? Yeah.
Look. If you have a skill set that's
that's in demand that we don't have here,
then then fine. That can be a discussion
and there is a process for that. So
that's what these h one b visas usually
are.
But again, most immigrants that come here, you
should be able to self sustain yourself. You
should be able to assimilate
just like the country and the culture you
(27:54):
left behind. We have one here and it
includes speaking English and coming in and creating
that melting pot that's so great about America.
The Vakramaswami
talks about this all the time. If you
go to Italy, you don't become an Italian.
If you go to Germany, you don't become
a German. If you go to China And
you have to learn the language. You have
to learn the language. And you go to
China, you don't become Chinese. But you can
come to America and become an American by
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assimilating
and leaving behind
just like the country you did instead of
just trying to create some new,
little version of it here in United States.
You have to assimilate. So again, all of
these things,
we already have existing lanes for this. It's
that people don't like those lanes. They don't
wanna wait and they don't want competition for
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it. Again, we have a nation of laws,
not a nation of men and women that
can make decisions on a whim. We have
laws in place for a reason
and it's sustainability.
If you come here, you should be able
to take care of yourself, have skill set
and jobs that are that you could be
hired to do, and you're not a burden
of sight and you don't commit crimes. But
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the idea that we have
an exact idea of who everyone is in
another country because other countries don't have the
capabilities that we have for database for criminality
and all that other kind of stuff, or
even biometrics when it comes to fingerprints, you
have no idea who these people are. They
could be making up a name coming here
and they could be the worst person in
the world, rapist, gang bang, all these things
that we've seen in the last four years
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on
on blast, notwithstanding my entire lifetime of the
last thirty five years, it doesn't stop. You
have to have
a border, and you don't have a nation
if you don't have a border, and you
don't have a country
if you don't decide who can come in
and who cannot.
Well, mister Biden wanted to see all those
people from all over the world come so
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they would vote for him as they had
their t shirts on that said Biden. Thank
you, Biden. Yeah. What a what a Organized.
How think about that for a minute. How
was that so organized that so many had
so many t shirts? Someone had to have
paid for the money. China, his his buddy,
the buddy country,
yeah, to, actually,
make up those, those shirts, I'm sure, and
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send them to all these countries where the
people were just waiting
to, be,
to spend $10,000
to to be transported,
by walking into our into our country.
Crazy. We've got Dennis from Brigantine. Good morning,
Dennis. How are you? Welcome.
And you'll be happy to know that I
am now a registered
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Republican Woo hoo. In the state of New
Jersey. Woo hoo.
You know,
not only you you we cannot just focus
on the border.
The focus must also go to
contractors
because you the United Association of Trade
president, I believe he was the president, just
(30:41):
got on stage and demanded this, that this
illegal
border crosser be returned to The US. They
didn't say what his,
trade was. And I I for the most
part, I believe this this gentleman this man
is president of the nonunion
trades. But when you drive around
(31:01):
and you see these developments going up,
these are all and I
for lack of a better term, foreigners
putting these houses up. Here on Brigantine,
these are not black. These are not white.
These are not Spanish. These are
South Americans
putting these houses up. These are South Americans
(31:23):
painting these walls. These are South Americans doing
the drywall, doing the roofing.
They are working, and I'm and I would
hope that they are good family people. But
who is behind
who is drawing them here? The contractors
in this country. And you go throughout the
50 states. There's developments going all over. Why?
(31:44):
Because the Democrats,
and I can tell you firsthand, have destroyed
our cities. I work for Bob Brady, congressman
in Philadelphia. He's a disgusting
pig, and I hope he's listening. And he
knows who I am. I I left Philly.
I left the Democratic Party because
of creeps like Bob Brady destroying
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the city. They are they are horrendous. New
York City, I rode the l the other
day up in Philly. And and I was
I was overwhelmed
at the filth of the car. The car
stunk. There was a drug addict. They call
it the fien lien now, which I was
telling somebody. He said, yo. He was doing
the fien lien. And we've all seen that
picture.
You know what? The city the septic just
(32:26):
came out with their budget. They're cutting 30
bus lines. Two reasons. One, nobody pays. Two,
the drivers don't show up, so they might
as well just cut roots. So it's we're
in a bad situation here. My country wants
to give everybody an opportunity.
The country in their mind wants to give
only who votes for them the opportunity to
(32:48):
do what they want. I'm
my country wants to be non racist, non
sexist, believe in your own religion to in
your own way.
Their country
wants to tell me
what race to believe in, what what sex
to believe in, and what religion to to
pray to. I'm telling you, the Democrats are
a disgusting group. The Democrat leadership.
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I was a Democrat. I wasn't disgusting. The
Democrat leadership is a disgusting
group.
Pelosi,
Schumer.
You know, I and I gotta tell you,
a couple years ago, I went up to
Saint Pete Saint Patrick's Cathedral in Manhattan, and
Schumer was at the podium.
That Jew was at the podium
campaigning for Ukraine.
It blew me away. And the archbishop of
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New York was was behind it all. I
was shocked. Now I don't call him
a shark. I don't call him disparaging the
Jew, but I was like, this this is
unbelievable, and it's all about money. At that
time, Biden was throwing billions of dollars
to Ukraine.
And who was the number one man that
he had to go to? Schumer. Who was
the number one woman? Pelosi. People need to
(33:54):
turn around. People need to understand
their tax dollars are not going to them.
There's there's three things we hate in life.
We hate lawyers. We hate politicians,
and we hate government. We hate the local
government, state government, county government. It's bloated. It
works too slow. It's lazy. And all they
do is keep taking more and more taxes
(34:15):
from us. You we finally get a non
politician, a non lawyer in the White House,
and they and they're afraid. They're definitely afraid.
Now we have Doge. They're afraid. They're definitely
afraid. Our our tax dollars are now being
accounted for, And you have more launch protesting
Tesla on the curbs and the sidewalks of
these towns. I've been to a couple of
(34:35):
them, and I'm very disappointed. I was the
only pro,
Tesla person at these rallies. And it's it
was shocking to me. You lived to tell
the story, Dennis. You lived to tell the
story. They didn't destroy you for being a
pro,
Elon Musk, Tesla person. So that's,
(34:55):
that's always good.
But we need to gather, we need to
unite, and we need to fight because
oh, let me say this to you. What
their number one thing, marijuana.
They they wanna dumb you down, not only
in the classroom, but in your own living
room. They wanna dumb you down. Merit legalizing
marijuana was the worst thing this nation ever
(35:16):
did or did state, and it's soon to
be the nation. I know. I know. Dennis,
thank you. I really do appreciate the call.
Yeah.
I mean, he's got his, his hand on
the pulse.
Yeah. No question. He's alluding to everify that
needs to be done nationwide in every state
that verifies the employment eligibility
(35:39):
of individuals to do any and all work
that unfortunately
not all companies or small businesses utilize that.
I'm not big on regulations but that should
be one because it's a,
a fair
scenario to make sure that people who are
working
are eligible to work in this United in
The United States legally. It's that simple and
there's and there's nothing to it. It proves
(35:59):
citizenship. It proves,
that you don't have any other things that
would threaten that And it also makes sure
to warn anything with regard to criminal background
history and everything in between. So Do you
think we should be taking people from Islamic
countries?
So I don't.
I I I I I honestly don't. If
someone wants to be a Muslim in our
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country and is an American, fine and dandy.
You you do that. As long as you
don't believe in the in the structures that
are put in place in the Quran,
you're fine. I know some fine Muslims myself.
But if you wanna start up a a
whole
city
that is Muslim,
that is,
based on the Quran,
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where the women that you're going to have
there as wives and daughters and workers are
going to be mistreated
as they are in these,
Islamic
terrorist countries,
that would be a no go.
Brian, what do you think we should do?
So what I was gonna say when I
was alluding to with my with my reaction
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is we have the right to decide who
comes into our country for any reason at
any moment at any time. It doesn't matter.
And if you want to be in a
situation where it just happens to be a
particular region, particular country, particular this, particular that,
it doesn't matter. We decide
whether or not people can come into this
country
or not. It's that simple.
(37:22):
And
for it drives me nuts every time you
have all these democrats saying, oh, no. We're
we're a nation of immigrants. No. We're not.
We're a nation of English and Dutch settlers
who decided to allow immigration
over the decades. It's that simple. We're not
a nation of immigrants. We never were, and
we're not now.
People don't get that. They think this is
(37:44):
a melting pot and has been and always
will be and always should be, but in
fact, we weren't. And as you said,
we when we came over
go watch the play Hamilton. Yeah. When we
came over, it was King George that wanted
us to always be his loyal subjects.
We fought that.
We fought that as English, as Dutch, as
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whatever we were coming from England.
That's who started this country,
fought the war, gave their lives
for freedom and for a new country. Yeah.
Again,
read.
I'm an avid reader.
Whether it's at night, on the beach, whatever,
anytime I get an opportunity, read, know your
history, understand this because again, control the language,
(38:31):
control the argument, control the outcome. That's what
ultimately happens when you're debating. And it's not
just who you're debating or having discussion with,
who's that third or fourth person that's listening
as well.
Yeah. You need to make an imprint on
someone, and you need to do it by
telling the truth with the facts behind you.
And once you do that, sometimes you can,
(38:51):
draw people to your side who
have the ability to think in such a
way as to engage in debate and conversation
and understand that
truth
because you tell them, go do your own
research Mhmm. And then come on back and
we'll we'll talk. Well, most of the time
people and and I sympathize. Most people don't
have the time to actually do the due
(39:12):
diligence. I know. And, you know, we're all
trying to make our way in this country,
in this world, in this universe,
and it's just,
it's tough. And that's why a lot of
thing a lot of good people stay out
of things because they don't have the time
or they don't have anything else,
with regard to getting involved and and again,
sometimes we attract the worst people,
(39:35):
in the political process and sometimes the best
people are kept out,
either deliberately or
worse. Do that. They they bring in the
worst people, I'm afraid.
I mean, all I look at is Doge,
Elon Musk, and Teslas, and I think to
myself, these look like normal people, but then
you see them on video going and scratching
up a Tesla car or painting it or
(39:57):
doing something. Well, again,
we moved away from this idea of mental
institutions
and insane asylums,
and again,
we've tried the left has tried to normalize
abnormalities
on every level and they've tried to make
it as if no,
we 0.0003%,
need to be accepted
(40:17):
and integrated into the rest of the world.
You guys are being prejudiced for this, that
and the other thing. No. And this is
this is where we are and obviously this
this resurgence under Donald Trump is pushing back
hard on that and, you know, God willing
after his after his four years that whoever
that may be, whether it's Vance DeSantis or
Rubio would be my my suspicion is one
(40:39):
of those three,
that take over for him.
Hopefully we go another eight years and we
can fix this mess,
over the next twelve years. Yeah. Well, you
know what? If we fix the Dow, if
we at least give people a little bit
of,
the tariffs are working, the tariffs are working,
I think people will be much more,
(40:59):
in in favor of keeping Republicans, fiscal conservatives
in office to make sure that we don't,
go under. Yeah. The tax cuts will be,
will put will be passed probably by July
4, somewhere in that instance. We're gonna start
learning more about that. Congress has been working
on it. We'll see a package. It'll be
voted on. It'll be implemented, and that will
also,
(41:20):
rocket fuel the economy along with this tariff
situation. So we'll be in good shape. I'm
sure we will be. I honestly
I'm praying.
I am praying because I really think that
Donald Trump knows what he's doing. He's a
businessman. He is someone who has the art
he's he's the expert, the art of the
deal. It's it's funny because, of all things,
(41:41):
The Apprentice is now for the first time
ever streaming. If anyone's got prime, I I
strongly urge you to watch it because it's
very interesting to see Donald Trump twenty five
years ago in a non political,
interesting to see Donald Trump twenty five years
ago in a non political, realm
and how he approaches things and nothing's
changed in twenty five years just like any
other clips.
And, you know, it's it's always interesting. Again,
(42:01):
that's fascinating to me, and I encourage listeners
to take a watch. Brian Fitzherbert, I wanna
thank you for being here. As always, you're
brilliant. Your thoughts are the thoughts of, someone
who's actually
thought deeply about the problems that we face
here and abroad. And, you've got wonderful ideas.
And and you say, no, you probably won't
(42:22):
get into politics. But you know what? It's
people like you that we need in politics.
So thank you for being here. I appreciate
it. I, I am what I am because
of my parents and what they taught me
and how they raised me, and I I
hope everyone else has the same kind of
benefit that I've had. So thank you, sir.
You're talking with Anne on News Talk +1
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I
swear to
god.
Oh, yeah. Bert's back there, and he he
introduces
some of the greatest music from the eighties
and the nineties. And and he is a
musician, so thank you, Bert.
(00:22):
Yeah. He's there. He's just very self satisfied
as he should be.
Son of a gun. Anyway,
good morning, everybody. This is Anne Baker, and
I am, of course, with Brian Fitzherbert on
Fitzherbert Friday.
And,
we're we're talking about things that are going
on in our community,
But Brian is also someone who's heavily involved
(00:44):
in the weapons industry,
and he,
he knows more than you and I will
ever know about what's happening and perhaps the
consequences of things that are happening in the
weapons industry,
according to the government's needs and what other
governments
our government is helping with the weapons industry.
(01:04):
So,
Brian, take it from what you'd like to
talk about. Yeah. Yeah. Look, it's
we see a lot of things on the
international,
stage right now. Obviously, the Ukraine Russia war
that's,
you know, the peace Trump's trying to do
peace deals, but if you can't get two
people to come drink the water, you might
just throw throw your hands up and say,
(01:25):
you know what? We got other things to
move on to. What do you make of
Steve Witkoff going and telling Zelensky that he
sat down with Putin and he's gotta give
up Zelensky's gotta give up five areas of
Ukraine?
I think that this is
the point of negotiation, that
if you want peace,
you have two options. You either continue war,
(01:47):
which you will not win, or you find
ways to survive.
Make Ukraine
as a country survive. Your people survive. Your
culture survive.
Wyckoff is obviously very trusted by Donald Trump
and he's
assisting Rubio from multiple standpoints because Rubio's gotta
be the top diplomat, but he can he
(02:07):
can coordinate and collaborate with Steve Wyckoff just
like Wyckoff went to Putin to get the
dancer, the bout the Russian joint,
citizenship, Russian US out of out of that
prison,
which again, this is this is Donald Trump's
mantra
is I want peace. And he understands full
(02:28):
blown that God forbid, if we ever have
to go beyond peace,
it's gonna be total annihilation
and that's the only way. The only way
you defeat somebody is you kill every single
one of them and obviously this has been
the trend with Israel and Hamas.
Netanyahu has made that decision that until things
consistently change,
(02:49):
no. We're gonna continue moving forward and this
is what it's gonna be,
etcetera.
So
Zelensky getting that
answer
or that suggestion
or that direction that that's what Putin wants,
he's gotta make a decision.
Do you want to end this war
and, for lack of better terms, cut the
losses that you have already, the thousands tens
(03:11):
of thousands of people that have died so
that you can survive for the future?
Or do you wanna be
wiped out completely and then Ukraine becomes,
unfortunately, a thing of history?
But everyone knows
that Russia and Putin
are liars to the extreme. Mhmm. They also
(03:31):
were part of the deal when Ukraine gave
up all of their nuclear weapons Yep. To
protect them and to not,
invade.
And sure can be, there is mister Putin
who invades, and mister Biden literally allows it
to happen. The man should be hung as
a traitor.
He won't be, and there are people out
there that are just,
(03:53):
going to have a stroke because of it.
But you know what? He was a traitor,
not only to our country, but to our
allies,
and he deserves no respect. He he deserves
to be the worst president we've ever had,
but he was a traitorous
president.
And quite frankly, if I'm Zelensky,
no matter what I've done or no matter
(04:14):
what kind of corruption there is, there's not
a country around that isn't corrupt including our
own.
And when people say, oh, he's so corrupt,
so we're going to, you know, make him
do what we want him to do. He
shouldn't do what we want him to do.
He's the president of the country. And if
they're asking for five pieces of Ukraine now,
what makes us think that Putin
(04:35):
should he survive or one of the other
terrible people that are waiting for him to
die Yeah. What's to say that they're not
gonna go back in to get the whole
piece? Yeah. And this again, this is where
the security guarantees
discussion comes in because,
again, this is what Trump is talking about
by saying, alright, NATO, you better start doing
your 2% if you're not. And Europe, guess
(04:57):
what? You better start paying for more of
your defense. Worse, The United States is sick
and tired of subsidizing your lifestyle and your
pension system and your your ridiculous five weeks
of vacation,
in August every year, you're gonna start spending
more money
on defense and your own defense because if
there is an issue with Russia,
Europe, you're going to lead this, you're going
(05:17):
to handle this, and then NATO will be
activated.
So there's a lot of things going on
that are strategic
and again, this
is this is classic Trump from my perspective.
He throws a bomb whether it's
philosophical,
theoretical, whatever that may be and he watches
what happens, how people react. He did it
(05:38):
with tariffs, he's done it with asking for
2%, three %, four %,
above the conditions that are required for NATO
etcetera of GDP that you need to contribute
to defense. Right. And all of these things
have to come into play of, okay, well
what is
what's the stopping point for,
Ukraine and or Russia if they agree to
(06:00):
peace? Alright. If Ukraine gives up these five
pieces of land, I I would assume it's
the Eastern part of Ukraine, Donmar Region, etcetera,
that,
The industrial section. Yeah. I mean, they're never
they're never gonna get Crimea back, etcetera.
And you have,
let's say, for
normal speak, you have temporary,
(06:22):
stoppage of war. And let's say Trump is
in, he's in for four years. And in
four years, God forbid, a democrat gets elected
and Putin's like, okay. Cool. Green light again.
I can go back in and let's let's
come back some more. Putin's only got so
many years left to live. Right? So you
have to think about that in the strategy
and the calculation. Then who would take his
spot?
Do they have the same aspirations to bring
(06:42):
back the Soviet Union and expand Russia's land
base?
Again, this is where Trump makes a decision
to leverage existing sanctions even further. You know,
everyone got so out of bent out of
shape. Like, there's no tariffs on Russia. We
don't trade with Russia. That's why there was
no tariffs on Russia. And there are sanctions.
And then the next step is, okay, anyone
who does business with Russia, we're going to
(07:03):
sanction you. And anyone who does business as
a pass through with Russia, we're going to
sanction you. We're not going to do any
trading with you. We're going to amp up
the tariffs on, for example, let's say, ally
Germany because you get all your oil from
Russia. All these things to leverage something
to basically get Putin to stop temporarily. I
mean, nothing's permanent when it comes to, like
(07:25):
you said, the Russians and Putin and what
he wants. He wants Ukraine. He wants a
rebuild of the Soviet Union before he dies,
and that's ultimately Russia's plan. And that could
be a fifty year plan or you think
about what China wants. They think in thousand
year plans, what they want to do. So
all these things you have to think about
the leverage point. You have to think about
what can you get right now
(07:46):
that can last. And again,
look,
there's all for supporting a country like Ukraine
that got invaded and you can go into
all the other instances of why this happened.
Look, there's martial law right now. Elections have
been suspended.
Zelensky is still the president but they skipped
an election to even throw him out or
to reelect him. So there's all these kinds
(08:06):
of things but thousands, tens of thousands of
people have died.
When is it enough?
And as much as
it it stinks to lose or lose parts
of your country, it's no different than someone,
a legal alien coming onto your property
and squatting in your garage and saying, I
claim this garage and you can't for whatever
legal standpoints in a blue state get rid
(08:28):
of them because there's all of a sudden
squatters rights and everything in between and what
do you do? Do you cut your losses
and say, alright, I'm just gonna burn the
garage down because I've got I can't get
the person out, so I'm this is what
I'm gonna do. And you cut your losses
because of all the other psychological things. It's
the same concept.
Do does Ukraine want to survive?
Do their people want to survive to maintain
(08:49):
their country, their people, their heritage, their culture,
or do they wanna keep fighting until ultimately
probably this stalemate becomes an asymptote and over
ten years everybody dies?
I don't know. It's sad.
And But again, you cannot trust Russia.
You
as you said, they do want to go
(09:09):
back to the, Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.
They you know, they take, Ukraine.
They're gonna go
right there to Poland. Mhmm. Poland understands that,
but Poland is part of NATO. Poland is
part of NATO, and that's where that activates.
And again, Trump is being very smart here
with again, he's he did it in Trump
one point o. He's doing it again. He
said, you guys are all gonna do 2%
(09:30):
and we're gonna pull out of NATO. He
got everybody to pay more money. Now he's
saying, guess what? You guys gotta do 4%.
You guys gotta up your ante and that's
kinda what Maloney,
the Italian prime minister and all these other
European leaders are gonna have to think about.
They're gonna have to reallocate their budgets where
they're going to have to spend more on
their defense. They're gonna have to buy more
rockets and missiles and other things to protect
(09:51):
their countries as well as the European Union
because again, we as United States cannot subsidize
the safety and security of the rest of
the world. You have to defend yourself. We
will come in when,
God forbid, it's absolutely necessary
because enough is enough. We spent enough blood
and treasure of our own on a lot
of things in the just in my lifetime,
(10:13):
notwithstanding
everyone listening's lifetime.
Enough is enough and that's why Trump is
making the statement today that Zelensky
and Putin, you better do something or I'm
walking away from this and you don't want
me not being the the person who try
to pull you together. I'm gonna be the
one that's gonna make it so unbelievably
brutal for you to maintain any social order
(10:35):
going forward. And that's what Trump's gonna do,
and he's done it before. Okay. With all
the countries that surround it, what what kind
of effect are tariffs going to have on
how these countries respond? Yeah. At some point,
they're gonna have to bend the knee because
they can't
survive.
And again, Trump's point is not everyone tries
to mischaracterize that he wants to use this
as a revenue stream. Yeah, he kinda does,
(10:57):
but the end goal
is 0%,
actual free trade. If I have a car
in The US, there's no tariff on it
going out into another country. If I go
and buy a car at another country, there's
no tariff on it coming in. That's the
goal. And eventually,
again, austerity measures or budget, again, you can't
spend like a drunken sailor forever. You have
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to make decisions, you have to make cuts,
and you have to think about productivity.
What are you producing
for what you're spending money on? And again,
we've seen this with the Doge team. We've
seen this already. All these countries have to
make a determination because at some point and
this is why China did the exact opposite
of what they should have done and joined
the other 75 countries that came to the
table to talk to Trump for negotiation.
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They're upping the ante of the trade war.
And you know what? We can last longer
than they can. They're the ones that are
gonna have to bend because they need us
to buy their stuff. We don't buy their
stuff. Guess what? Americans pay off debt. They
increase their savings. They increase their disposable,
income, all kinds of things as a result
of that. And what China sits with stuff
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and what happens. Stores have to drop the
prices
significantly
to get rid of inventory, merchandise, whatever that
may be, to get it off the shelves.
And all this we've again, we've seen before.
The Democrats are trying to say, oh, no.
This is like the Smoot Hawley tariffs. This
is gonna be detrimental to the economy.
No. Actually, do your history. The point is
negotiation and leverage. And The United States has
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all the leverage that they need to be
able to make all these other countries do
what Donald Trump is asking. And if they
don't, they're the ones that are gonna suffer.
Yeah. We'll suffer a little bit. We can
last longer, and they will eventually bend the
knee. And if they don't bend the knee,
they will destroy their own economy and they'll
do it destroy their own balance sheet as
a country, and then they'll be in even
worse worse off situation. So, again, Trump knows
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this, and this bothered him for four decades
that we haven't had a president with boulders
between the legs to actually do this on
behalf of the American people to again, the
goal is 0%
tariffs, free trade, and to bring down the
cost of things for us. So you think
that the industries that are now in The
United States Of America are going to do
well. They will endure.
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However, those industries that actually want to come
back to The United States now to take
advantage of the tariffs or the no tariffs
that will be on their goods,
well,
it's gonna take them two or three or
four years
to come back and to restart
their production lines
to hire the people that they need.
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How long do you think it should take,
and what do you think president Trump will
be able to do to, again, exploit and
explore,
what the future of these, industries are gonna
be? Yeah. Again, most people think of instant
satisfaction or instant,
everything, and guess what? The business world doesn't
operate like that. They have five and ten
year plans
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where they're looking out and they're making
predictions based on assumptions. I assume we're gonna
get,
you know, such and such built by certain
date. We're gonna get this much product. We're
gonna sell this much. All this stuff, it
happens I mean, this is all filing in
public traded companies that you see when they
do their quarterlies.
All this information when they do their LRP's
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or long range planning,
all this happens over a period of time.
And in in your example, yeah, if a
country
has preferential
environment, business environment for you to build your
product,
cheaper than anywhere else and that's what you
do. And the same could be said what
Trump is saying, build it here in The
US. You don't have to deal with the
tariffs. Now withstanding, you'll have lower corporate taxes
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and the last piece of it is the
labor constraints. Right? So
the argument would be that most of these,
businesses would go to right to work states,
red states Right. That allow,
the freedom to choose if you wanna join
a union or not so that it limits
the power of
basically,
driving up the cost of labor, which we've
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now seen in the automotive industry. This is
why cars, American cars are so expensive
and not as,
quote unquote, good of a car as, say,
a Korean or Japanese car because they don't
have high labor costs, and they can take
all that extra income that they have and
put it right back into the business or
the product or whatever that may be. So
we're talking it could be two years. It
could be four years for depending on the
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product, depending on what they're building, but the
environment
is there. And they have to make choice
business leaders have to make choices today. Do
we wanna hold off and hope that, you
know, in three years Trump's gone and the
Republicans are gone or, oh my gosh, what
happens if in three years Trump's acolytes
of DeSantis and or Rubio and or JD
Vance becomes the president for four years, maybe
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even eight years,
and they keep the same thing. Oh my
gosh, that's twelve years
that we could be at a disadvantage from
a business perspective because all the other companies
decided to do it and we didn't. That's
the decisions that these chief executive officers and
business leaders are having to make because the
people are with Trump.
His approval ratings show that repeatedly.
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So all these business leaders are going to
have to make a choice because it has
to do with the solvency of their own
company and maximizing profit to their shareholders and
the stakeholders. And if they don't do it
and they get caught in this, they're gonna
lose their job, they'll be replaced with someone
who will do it.
Again, self preservation. All these CEOs
like making a lot of money and they
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like making decisions that will keep them in
that position making a lot of money, and
they're trained and they have the skill set
to do that. That's why they'll ultimately make
that decision. So you think all the employees,
who are going to be employed by these
new businesses, so to say, who have come
from other countries, they're gonna be making enough
money that they will, in fact,
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reignite our economy again. I think two things
will happen because we've seen something similar. World
War two, after that, we had a lot
of women moved into the labor force because
obviously the men were were fighting in war.
And then when everyone came back, they couldn't
afford,
dollar for dollar like, I can't pay you
this much money blah blah blah, but I
can give you fringe benefits and that's where
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having health care,
dental,
eye,
other retirement match, all these fringe benefits as
part of your compensation
package, not your salary or your base pay
or your bonus or whatever
is a creative way to attract talent labor
in terms of what you can do. And
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we'll probably see that dynamic again where something
that we don't think about that businesses are
gonna offer
as a fringe benefit
as part of your compensation
to make it worth your while for this
job to even recruit you from something else
or to make it work. And that's why
all these,
dare I say, red states or in the
South
that are not as high GDP as, let's
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say, Northeast states,
or
conglomerate states that have a high population,
they're gonna have a lot more runway because
the cost of living
isn't as high. The taxes aren't as high.
Oklahoma versus New Jersey, Oklahoma will defeat New
Jersey on every single level. And I use
that as an example because guess what? Oklahoma
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has the exact same thing that we have
here in South Jersey. They have an FAA
tech center. They're the only other state that
has something similar. And if
you actually see what they're doing versus, unfortunately,
what we're doing, it's very different because they
can keep costs low because taxes are low,
regulations are low, everything is lower.
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We don't have much time in this segment.
Would you recommend if you were an adviser
to,
president Trump when it comes to taxes, not
even on on goods, not even on the
new new things that are
that will be coming back into the country,
would you ever recommend a flat tax for
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all of the people? Because people are now
saying that with everything that's gonna be coming
back into our country and how productive we're
going to be and how rich we're going
to be that maybe there won't be any
income tax anymore.
What what's your what's your outlook for that?
I've always been a fan of it in
theory,
but in application,
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it wouldn't work because there's too many different
hands. The reason we have a state income
tax
is because New Jersey decided they wanted more
revenue. The reason we have a New Jersey
sales tax is because they wanted more revenue.
If we have a federal flat tax, literally,
you you pay a flat tax based on
one of your income, you don't have marginal
rates, you're not into brackets,
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that's one way. But guess what? There's all
these things, they create a tax to pay
for something. You have the highway taxes. You
pay tolls to pay for a bridge, but
then once the bridge is complete, you're still
paying tolls on those. You pay for tolls
on the roads.
Every someone will find some new thing to
tax even if we did a flat line
baseline recovery today, got rid of every single
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tax and said, guess what? There's gonna be
one federal flat tax and there's gonna be
one state flat tax. What's to stop it
from increasing? What's to stop it from adding,
oh, you know what? We need another flat
tax on this or this. Have you seen
the movie before?
And unfortunately,
this is why the idea that Trump is
trying to do in terms of trying to
understand your taxable income deductions, etcetera,
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to
prefer behavior. You want people to buy homes.
You want people to have to be able
to deduct the interest on the mortgage of
those homes because you want people to have
homes. So I like it in theory. In
application, it would never
Bummer. Work.
Well,
in any case, we're at the end of
this segment, but please stay with us. We
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have another segment to go, and there are
still a lot of topics that I think,
our buddy, Brian Fitzherbert, on Fitzherbert Friday. Good
morning, everyone. This is Anne Baker on Talking
with Anne, and I am here with Brian
Fitzherbert on Fitzherbert Friday. And we are discussing
a great number of things, including
corporations coming back into our country because of
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the tariff situation.
But there is another
there's another issue,
that is is going to be coming up
soon.
Now we've seen,
senators, including our own senator Booker wants to
get involved in the illegal immigrant that was
sent to El Salvador to the prison.
Okay.
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Enough said on that because he's a bum,
and these senators are bums as well. Yep.
What are we going to do? And John
is really concerned about this.
What are we going to do when,
the Trump
Organization
when the people he's put in place like
Tom Homan,
they've gotten the criminals off the street. They've
gotten all the people that were the gotaways.
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What then happens to the families that have
been here
for a number of years, are working,
have not committed crime, have had children in
this country.
What is,
our president and,
Tom Homan going to do
when they have depleted the roles of those
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who are criminals who came in under Biden?
What are they going to do?
And
we know that the left wing is going
to have cameras of plenty
on every family that is,
taken from this country and sent back to
their own with children having been born in
this country. It's another another issue, birthright.
But with this, what do you think is
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gonna happen to our country when this is
going to be
on, prime,
TV and people are gonna be watching families
being put on planes and sent back to
a very, very poor country. Yeah. So respectfully,
I'll I'll correct one thing. They're all criminals,
regardless if they've committed additional crimes and doesn't
legally exist. Actually, they're not. Because if you
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consider what that Biden character said when he
was running for office, surge the border, if
you consider what he did when he became
president, which is was the exact same thing
that people were gonna be allowed to cross
the border, and he was gonna have all
these things to process them, to keep track
of them, and give them asylum of some
kind.
Yeah. The man was a criminal from his
roots to the top of his head, and
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this is shameful.
But what are we going to do about
it? Right. So if you start with the
premise that no matter what, illegal aliens are
criminals because their first act on American soil
is an illegal one because they they haven't
done anything, why haven't they made their
situation right
now? They haven't made any decisions to do
that. They've been here, like you said, let's
say, they've been here for years. They've
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attempted to assimilate, let's say, but the the
likelihood is they haven't really fully assimilated because
they haven't made themselves right with the law
by leaving the country and coming back and
getting in line and doing it the right
way. So what's gonna happen is this will
tie in with your comment with birthright citizenship
that has been challenged and will ultimately go
to the Supreme Court where I suspect the
Supreme Court will rule that no, because of
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those few words in the constitution
subject to the jurisdiction thereof,
you are not an American citizen. You are
going to go. Now is there a legislative
fix that could be done? Sure. There's all
kinds of ways that you could do this.
Whether or not it gets passed, Democrats will
never give Donald Trump a win because he
tried to give a win with the dreamers
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in Trump one point o with funding for
the wall. I'll we'll grant amnesty 800,000 dreamers
and the Democrats didn't go for it. The
legislative fix would be, okay, you've been here
for twenty or thirty years, you're gonna pay
thirty years of taxes and you're gonna pay
taxes for the rest of your life
to and whatever that flat or average rate
that we determine
and you're not gonna commit another crime as
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long as you're here and you're never gonna
get citizenship
and you're never gonna have access to Social
Security, you're never gonna have access to something
of that nature, some compromise
that could be a legislative fix because the
alternative is no, you don't belong here, you
committed a crime, you never made yourself right
with the law, you need to be deported.
And
again, if there are minor children that are
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part of those
individuals that are gonna be deported, this notion
of separating families,
they go with them. They go back home.
Sure. Because again, we have custodial rights here
in this country where until you're 18, your
parents have custodial rights over you. Just like
if someone gets arrested,
there's
the separation of the family because the person
who committed the crime goes to prison. Now
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the child can't go to that prison because
obviously
in that instance or example, they are here
legally. But when it comes to being deported
to another country because you came here illegally
and you never made any decision
in all those years to make yourself right
with the law, that's on you. That is
on you. So again, the right thing to
do is to support every single one of
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them because they are all criminals. But if
they haven't made any decision to make themselves
right with the law again, that's their fault.
And a legislative fix that congress could do
assuming compromise with democrats
to do something where you pay back taxes
and you never get citizenship
and you don't get qualifications for Social Security
or Medicare or Medicaid and you find some
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middle ground that you can say or you
get a work permit but you're never gonna
be a citizen. That could be a compromise
from a legislative standpoint.
Would that be helped by making it,
easier for people to leave the country
and then go to the embassy to go
through the legal procedures to come back into
the country? Well, that's what the assumption that
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the democrats consistently say that our immigration system
is broken. It's not broken. They just want
more people here. It works fine. There's a
line. We allow 2,000,000 people legally to come
and immigrate here.
And if it exceeds that,
why do we wanna do that as a
competition with our existing American citizen base to
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do that? Then the question becomes, okay, well,
why do we only have 2,000,000? Should we
do 4,000,000? Should we do 10,000,000?
Do we have the capacity to do that?
Our tax is gonna have to go up.
If more and more kids utilize
obviously right now illegals in education systems now,
hospitals, healthcare systems that are overdrawn, all these
things, why do we need
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We can't import the world, and when we
import the world and the world's problems, they
become our problems. So again, all these instances
of the Democrats saying the immigration system is
broken, it's not broken. They just want more
people because they want more voters because they
wanna stay in power. Do you think we'll
ever get legislation that will,
allow citizens from other countries
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to immigrate to our country if they have
skills that we need? Because we've seen enough
impoverished people
crossing our borders,
by the millions
who, in fact, most of them stay impoverished.
Many of them get jobs.
Many of them, in fact, have become
deeply ingrained into their communities. But,
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what are we gonna do about that? Yeah.
Look. If you have a skill set that's
that's in demand that we don't have here,
then then fine. That can be a discussion
and there is a process for that. So
that's what these h one b visas usually
are.
But again, most immigrants that come here, you
should be able to self sustain yourself. You
should be able to assimilate
just like the country and the culture you
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left behind. We have one here and it
includes speaking English and coming in and creating
that melting pot that's so great about America.
The Vakramaswami
talks about this all the time. If you
go to Italy, you don't become an Italian.
If you go to Germany, you don't become
a German. If you go to China And
you have to learn the language. You have
to learn the language. And you go to
China, you don't become Chinese. But you can
come to America and become an American by
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assimilating
and leaving behind
just like the country you did instead of
just trying to create some new,
little version of it here in United States.
You have to assimilate. So again, all of
these things,
we already have existing lanes for this. It's
that people don't like those lanes. They don't
wanna wait and they don't want competition for
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it. Again, we have a nation of laws,
not a nation of men and women that
can make decisions on a whim. We have
laws in place for a reason
and it's sustainability.
If you come here, you should be able
to take care of yourself, have skill set
and jobs that are that you could be
hired to do, and you're not a burden
of sight and you don't commit crimes. But
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the idea that we have
an exact idea of who everyone is in
another country because other countries don't have the
capabilities that we have for database for criminality
and all that other kind of stuff, or
even biometrics when it comes to fingerprints, you
have no idea who these people are. They
could be making up a name coming here
and they could be the worst person in
the world, rapist, gang bang, all these things
that we've seen in the last four years
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on
on blast, notwithstanding my entire lifetime of the
last thirty five years, it doesn't stop. You
have to have
a border, and you don't have a nation
if you don't have a border, and you
don't have a country
if you don't decide who can come in
and who cannot.
Well, mister Biden wanted to see all those
people from all over the world come so
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they would vote for him as they had
their t shirts on that said Biden. Thank
you, Biden. Yeah. What a what a Organized.
How think about that for a minute. How
was that so organized that so many had
so many t shirts? Someone had to have
paid for the money. China, his his buddy,
the buddy country,
yeah, to, actually,
make up those, those shirts, I'm sure, and
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send them to all these countries where the
people were just waiting
to, be,
to spend $10,000
to to be transported,
by walking into our into our country.
Crazy. We've got Dennis from Brigantine. Good morning,
Dennis. How are you? Welcome.
And you'll be happy to know that I
am now a registered
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Republican Woo hoo. In the state of New
Jersey. Woo hoo.
You know,
not only you you we cannot just focus
on the border.
The focus must also go to
contractors
because you the United Association of Trade
president, I believe he was the president, just
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got on stage and demanded this, that this
illegal
border crosser be returned to The US. They
didn't say what his,
trade was. And I I for the most
part, I believe this this gentleman this man
is president of the nonunion
trades. But when you drive around
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and you see these developments going up,
these are all and I
for lack of a better term, foreigners
putting these houses up. Here on Brigantine,
these are not black. These are not white.
These are not Spanish. These are
South Americans
putting these houses up. These are South Americans
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painting these walls. These are South Americans doing
the drywall, doing the roofing.
They are working, and I'm and I would
hope that they are good family people. But
who is behind
who is drawing them here? The contractors
in this country. And you go throughout the
50 states. There's developments going all over. Why?
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Because the Democrats,
and I can tell you firsthand, have destroyed
our cities. I work for Bob Brady, congressman
in Philadelphia. He's a disgusting
pig, and I hope he's listening. And he
knows who I am. I I left Philly.
I left the Democratic Party because
of creeps like Bob Brady destroying
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the city. They are they are horrendous. New
York City, I rode the l the other
day up in Philly. And and I was
I was overwhelmed
at the filth of the car. The car
stunk. There was a drug addict. They call
it the fien lien now, which I was
telling somebody. He said, yo. He was doing
the fien lien. And we've all seen that
picture.
You know what? The city the septic just
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came out with their budget. They're cutting 30
bus lines. Two reasons. One, nobody pays. Two,
the drivers don't show up, so they might
as well just cut roots. So it's we're
in a bad situation here. My country wants
to give everybody an opportunity.
The country in their mind wants to give
only who votes for them the opportunity to
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do what they want. I'm
my country wants to be non racist, non
sexist, believe in your own religion to in
your own way.
Their country
wants to tell me
what race to believe in, what what sex
to believe in, and what religion to to
pray to. I'm telling you, the Democrats are
a disgusting group. The Democrat leadership.
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I was a Democrat. I wasn't disgusting. The
Democrat leadership is a disgusting
group.
Pelosi,
Schumer.
You know, I and I gotta tell you,
a couple years ago, I went up to
Saint Pete Saint Patrick's Cathedral in Manhattan, and
Schumer was at the podium.
That Jew was at the podium
campaigning for Ukraine.
It blew me away. And the archbishop of
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New York was was behind it all. I
was shocked. Now I don't call him
a shark. I don't call him disparaging the
Jew, but I was like, this this is
unbelievable, and it's all about money. At that
time, Biden was throwing billions of dollars
to Ukraine.
And who was the number one man that
he had to go to? Schumer. Who was
the number one woman? Pelosi. People need to
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turn around. People need to understand
their tax dollars are not going to them.
There's there's three things we hate in life.
We hate lawyers. We hate politicians,
and we hate government. We hate the local
government, state government, county government. It's bloated. It
works too slow. It's lazy. And all they
do is keep taking more and more taxes
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from us. You we finally get a non
politician, a non lawyer in the White House,
and they and they're afraid. They're definitely afraid.
Now we have Doge. They're afraid. They're definitely
afraid. Our our tax dollars are now being
accounted for, And you have more launch protesting
Tesla on the curbs and the sidewalks of
these towns. I've been to a couple of
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them, and I'm very disappointed. I was the
only pro,
Tesla person at these rallies. And it's it
was shocking to me. You lived to tell
the story, Dennis. You lived to tell the
story. They didn't destroy you for being a
pro,
Elon Musk, Tesla person. So that's,
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that's always good.
But we need to gather, we need to
unite, and we need to fight because
oh, let me say this to you. What
their number one thing, marijuana.
They they wanna dumb you down, not only
in the classroom, but in your own living
room. They wanna dumb you down. Merit legalizing
marijuana was the worst thing this nation ever
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did or did state, and it's soon to
be the nation. I know. I know. Dennis,
thank you. I really do appreciate the call.
Yeah.
I mean, he's got his, his hand on
the pulse.
Yeah. No question. He's alluding to everify that
needs to be done nationwide in every state
that verifies the employment eligibility
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of individuals to do any and all work
that unfortunately
not all companies or small businesses utilize that.
I'm not big on regulations but that should
be one because it's a,
a fair
scenario to make sure that people who are
working
are eligible to work in this United in
The United States legally. It's that simple and
there's and there's nothing to it. It proves
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citizenship. It proves,
that you don't have any other things that
would threaten that And it also makes sure
to warn anything with regard to criminal background
history and everything in between. So Do you
think we should be taking people from Islamic
countries?
So I don't.
I I I I I honestly don't. If
someone wants to be a Muslim in our
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country and is an American, fine and dandy.
You you do that. As long as you
don't believe in the in the structures that
are put in place in the Quran,
you're fine. I know some fine Muslims myself.
But if you wanna start up a a
whole
city
that is Muslim,
that is,
based on the Quran,
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where the women that you're going to have
there as wives and daughters and workers are
going to be mistreated
as they are in these,
Islamic
terrorist countries,
that would be a no go.
Brian, what do you think we should do?
So what I was gonna say when I
was alluding to with my with my reaction
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is we have the right to decide who
comes into our country for any reason at
any moment at any time. It doesn't matter.
And if you want to be in a
situation where it just happens to be a
particular region, particular country, particular this, particular that,
it doesn't matter. We decide
whether or not people can come into this
country
or not. It's that simple.
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And
for it drives me nuts every time you
have all these democrats saying, oh, no. We're
we're a nation of immigrants. No. We're not.
We're a nation of English and Dutch settlers
who decided to allow immigration
over the decades. It's that simple. We're not
a nation of immigrants. We never were, and
we're not now.
People don't get that. They think this is
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a melting pot and has been and always
will be and always should be, but in
fact, we weren't. And as you said,
we when we came over
go watch the play Hamilton. Yeah. When we
came over, it was King George that wanted
us to always be his loyal subjects.
We fought that.
We fought that as English, as Dutch, as
(38:07):
whatever we were coming from England.
That's who started this country,
fought the war, gave their lives
for freedom and for a new country. Yeah.
Again,
read.
I'm an avid reader.
Whether it's at night, on the beach, whatever,
anytime I get an opportunity, read, know your
history, understand this because again, control the language,
(38:31):
control the argument, control the outcome. That's what
ultimately happens when you're debating. And it's not
just who you're debating or having discussion with,
who's that third or fourth person that's listening
as well.
Yeah. You need to make an imprint on
someone, and you need to do it by
telling the truth with the facts behind you.
And once you do that, sometimes you can,
(38:51):
draw people to your side who
have the ability to think in such a
way as to engage in debate and conversation
and understand that
truth
because you tell them, go do your own
research Mhmm. And then come on back and
we'll we'll talk. Well, most of the time
people and and I sympathize. Most people don't
have the time to actually do the due
(39:12):
diligence. I know. And, you know, we're all
trying to make our way in this country,
in this world, in this universe,
and it's just,
it's tough. And that's why a lot of
thing a lot of good people stay out
of things because they don't have the time
or they don't have anything else,
with regard to getting involved and and again,
sometimes we attract the worst people,
(39:35):
in the political process and sometimes the best
people are kept out,
either deliberately or
worse. Do that. They they bring in the
worst people, I'm afraid.
I mean, all I look at is Doge,
Elon Musk, and Teslas, and I think to
myself, these look like normal people, but then
you see them on video going and scratching
up a Tesla car or painting it or
(39:57):
doing something. Well, again,
we moved away from this idea of mental
institutions
and insane asylums,
and again,
we've tried the left has tried to normalize
abnormalities
on every level and they've tried to make
it as if no,
we 0.0003%,
need to be accepted
(40:17):
and integrated into the rest of the world.
You guys are being prejudiced for this, that
and the other thing. No. And this is
this is where we are and obviously this
this resurgence under Donald Trump is pushing back
hard on that and, you know, God willing
after his after his four years that whoever
that may be, whether it's Vance DeSantis or
Rubio would be my my suspicion is one
(40:39):
of those three,
that take over for him.
Hopefully we go another eight years and we
can fix this mess,
over the next twelve years. Yeah. Well, you
know what? If we fix the Dow, if
we at least give people a little bit
of,
the tariffs are working, the tariffs are working,
I think people will be much more,
(40:59):
in in favor of keeping Republicans, fiscal conservatives
in office to make sure that we don't,
go under. Yeah. The tax cuts will be,
will put will be passed probably by July
4, somewhere in that instance. We're gonna start
learning more about that. Congress has been working
on it. We'll see a package. It'll be
voted on. It'll be implemented, and that will
also,
(41:20):
rocket fuel the economy along with this tariff
situation. So we'll be in good shape. I'm
sure we will be. I honestly
I'm praying.
I am praying because I really think that
Donald Trump knows what he's doing. He's a
businessman. He is someone who has the art
he's he's the expert, the art of the
deal. It's it's funny because, of all things,
(41:41):
The Apprentice is now for the first time
ever streaming. If anyone's got prime, I I
strongly urge you to watch it because it's
very interesting to see Donald Trump twenty five
years ago in a non political,
interesting to see Donald Trump twenty five years
ago in a non political, realm
and how he approaches things and nothing's
changed in twenty five years just like any
other clips.
And, you know, it's it's always interesting. Again,
(42:01):
that's fascinating to me, and I encourage listeners
to take a watch. Brian Fitzherbert, I wanna
thank you for being here. As always, you're
brilliant. Your thoughts are the thoughts of, someone
who's actually
thought deeply about the problems that we face
here and abroad. And, you've got wonderful ideas.
And and you say, no, you probably won't
(42:22):
get into politics. But you know what? It's
people like you that we need in politics.
So thank you for being here. I appreciate
it. I, I am what I am because
of my parents and what they taught me
and how they raised me, and I I
hope everyone else has the same kind of
benefit that I've had. So thank you, sir.
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