September 7, 2025 • 29 mins
Ugh! it's been a while, i have missed you so much.
On this episode i talk about the importance of money, legacy and how to balance the two to not only live a fulfilling life but leave some piece of you behind.
This episode is dedicated to Lanre.
Special thanks to Timilehin and Bashir for helping out with the cover.
Apologies for the technical issues with the audio.
00:00 Introduction
00:30 Catching up
01:48 Dedication to Lanre
03:10 My Creative Rut
05:24 Money and Legacy
06:56 Is money a societal construct?
08:03 If it wasn't for money, would you still be at your job?
14:00 Leaving something behind
22:56 The need to exist beyond self
24:05 They are both important
26:53 Words of appreciation to my supporters
Episode Reference -
Unfiltered Conversations: What Does Death Mean To You - https://creators.spotify.com/pod/profile/joba-adewumi4/episodes/Unfiltered-Conversations-What-Does-Death-Mean-To-You-e2g3ovh
Article Reference -
How could i conform? - https://jobaadewumi.substack.com/p/how-could-i-conform?r=1r7lqn
Leave something behind - https://jobaadewumi.substack.com/p/leave-something-behind?r=1r7lqn
Twitter/X - https://x.com/jbtheinspirer
Email - jobaadewumis@gmail.com
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Can't wait to see you guys on the next Episode. ✨😍
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(00:02):
Welcome to the live podcast. So we figure out few more to
live the most fulfilling life possible.
I share these thoughts and ideasfrom the lens of philosophy,
observation and critical thinking.
My name is Jawadi with me and I'll be your companion on
yourself improvement journey. Please share and enjoy.
(00:25):
Hello everyone and welcome to another episode podcast.
I'm your host, Trabajo me normally I'm not supposed to do
this intro anymore because technically kind of I already
have an intro, but I developed the intro when I wanted to start
podcasting, like when I was intomy first my first few episodes.
So the intro is like it's like like reflex at this point.
(00:47):
I just see the amount start recording, but I'm going to
leave it in just for for the vibes of it.
So I knew you think it's been a while.
Like we haven't even we haven't done anything earlier.
I've really released on podcast this this year.
I mean videos are released this year.
I think one I've released one video this year.
(01:09):
I'm like the videos. I'm not even, it's not something
I'm like thinking about to be honest, because those videos, I
have actually like recordings like last year August.
So I mean, that's not like I, I just did it recently.
So I won't calendar. So I've only done one podcast
this year. And yeah, I've like three
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articles. I've written like 4 blog posts.
I've gone in blog posts and articles.
I've written 4 blog posts. I'm doing this ponder P stuff
like it's like quotes, like quotes version 2, I guess, but
like it's longer and everything at this point, I didn't even
know why my content I cannot buyone day.
You know what, let's do a video with this.
Let's do a podcast this let's write to this.
(01:54):
You know, that's straight cool to this.
I mean, I I I just have to do itthough, so and I actually know
what I'm doing. I think I know what I'm doing, I
guess. But yeah, just getting to the
episode. I have drafted episodes like,
you know, the indefinitely. So before I start, I want to
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dedicate this episode to Larry. He was a friend of mine wearing
close. So I will just clarify that
wearing close. But he was a he was a friend.
He was a friend of mine and he died recently.
He died beginning of this year. So that was what prompted me to
actually draft up this episode. So I'm just going to I'm just
(02:37):
going to dedicate it to him, youknow, rest in peace.
I hope. I hope he lived for something.
And where have I been since August?
I've been in a creative rods. So like I actually would, I'll
talk about in another episode, but these days I really don't
know when the next episode is going to be very, very
(02:58):
stressful. I won't say very stressful.
I don't say very time consuming 'cause of my finals.
I mean, I've been in my finals since last year, but like I'm in
my final two months. So projects and school and you
know, like crapping things up, stuff like that.
So I, I've just been a bit busy and money.
(03:20):
I I've been feeling that money then.
So I'm, I'm just going to pour my heart out on this and I hope
people can relate and understandwhere I'm coming from.
So this is this is talk about when I legacy or before that
about how I being in a creative world.
Like I said, I haven't actually recorded a video since August.
(03:40):
I don't know why I I've just been not feeling.
It's like creativity is kind of something that you feel.
I know the the debates of like schedules and structures and you
know, do this and do that, like have a content calendar.
Last my last episode, I I said Iwas going to take content
(04:00):
calendar. To be honest, I haven't actually
done the content calendar. It's it's like this is I don't
want to base content as like something structured.
I want to base content as something you feel, you feel and
you express you feel and you express.
You know, the people that base content on structure are people
that are getting paid for it. I am not getting paid for this.
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I'm not getting paid for writing.
And then my, my subset is free. I mean, I, I even just moved
from subset. I didn't move on subset per SE,
but like I, I have a version of sub stack on my personal
websites, which is for free. Like you can just check it out
by yourself. And then my podcast is free.
(04:43):
My videos are free, my quotes are free, my tweets are free.
My everything is free. To be honest, I'm not making
money from anything. There's no like ad whatever.
I'm not sponsored by anybody, you know, So like I feel no
need. I feel no need to structure it
or by feeling it's like pop out and pop out and pop out.
(05:05):
I like to create stuff when I feel I need to create stuff.
I like to see stuff when I feel I need to see stuff, not just
writing redundancies or recording redundancies.
You know, I need to feel it, then I create it.
That's that's, that's right. That was the way it is.
And, you know, sometimes you canspeed up a process, but like,
you know, being introspective and taking some time off and
(05:29):
observing things. I know jotting them down, but I
haven't had time to do that, youknow, 'cause like I said, I'm
busy. But, you know, I always feel the
need to feed the streets. And this is me feeding the
streets right now. So yeah, I, I guess that's that.
But let's just, let's just go into the episode.
Let's talk about money and legacy.
(05:49):
OK? I think I I basically just
talked about not creating for a moment and then now I want to
start creating. Like how could I conform to just
doing nothing and stuff like that?
So yeah, having a good year and training thirty way for money
and, you know, decided to dedicate my 2025 to money.
(06:10):
How is that going right now? Dedicate my 2025 to money?
To be honest, I think I really like balanced out and you know,
like money is important to like creating is also important.
So I'm like just balanced with the amount right now or before
beginning of the year, you know,beginning of the year, you have
goals, you have expectations, you have things you tell
yourself, things you want to do,things you would think you would
(06:31):
do but you would later not do because can you just realize
that you're not the kind of person to do them?
This is a very So I just realized that my mic hasn't been
recording for 8 minutes. I just rambled to the world for
8 minutes without any record of it.
(06:55):
But you know what, the universe is trying to tell me something
to keep it short. So I'm just going to repeat what
I said. If I can remember what I said,
I'm going to repeat that. And then, you know, just like
make it clear and stuff like that.
So I, I've listened to the otherone that just recorded like the
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way cut off and I was talking about how money is important
and, and stuff like that. So is money a societal
constructs? Yes and no.
Is it's required to have a best life?
I would say that money is required to have a best life.
So the question I asked myself before this one cut off was
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like, if, when it wasn't an object for me, would I still be
doing what I'm doing right now? So, you know, my creative
pursuits. I do not make money from it.
I don't make money from from podcast.
I don't make money from any videos or like writing and stuff
like that. See something I do just on my
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own free will, right? The where I make my money from
is from software from like my programming aspects.
And if money was in an object, Iwould still be programming
because something I actually like to do.
So, you know, programming is like a creative pursuit on the
zones, like creating software creating then it's true
(08:18):
technology. So it's still something that I
would do myself. Now you need to ask yourself the
question that if money wasn't anobject, would you be doing what
you're doing right now? You know, and you might have an
answer of yes, might have an answer of doing, might have an
answer of, you know, you're still working on it and stuff
(08:41):
like you're not sure yet. And yes, if you're doing a job,
let's say if you're doing a job in accountants, you're you're an
accountant in accountancy, you're, you're an accountant and
you like to create lip glosses or like you like the fashion
scene. You, you don't have to, you
don't have to just drop your jobat the bank or like wherever
(09:02):
you're working, just go and start making lip glosses.
And you could do, you could balance the both of them
together. I do software and I do and I do
like podcasts and videos and pictures and whatever.
I tried to balance both of them up, even though I like both of
them to be honest, but I tried to balance them up.
I just tried to, you know, get them working together.
And I feel you should do the same because I would give you an
(09:24):
example of something I, I, you know, came across recently.
So I was on, I was an ex and then this guy, there was this
guy that shared a story of the founder of Loom.
I actually didn't know the company Loom.
I might have heard of you beforebecause it sounds familiar, but
doing exactly. I can't exactly pinpoint it.
(09:45):
Yeah. So I really blog post of the
founder, he was like, his laws doesn't know what to do, you
know, climbing the Himalayas mountains.
He said something about he's in one country in Asia, you know,
just doing basically nothing. I guess I can't actually
remember what he wrote in that blog post.
(10:05):
So he was a startup founder. Like, was he?
He founded a company and the company sold it, sold the
company, but guess how much you sold the company for?
You know, it's not like 10,000,050 million, $1 million.
He sold that company for $975 million.
I've worked in a company, airports, you know, I've
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forgotten the copying and media acquisition.
But then he sold that company for $975,000,000 and it was also
given an offer to stay in the company for $60 million a year.
He was said he was skeptical he was going to take that offer or
not. I don't know if you have taken
the offer or not. But then like you look at that
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kind of money, like how can you tell me that you got that kind
of money and you don't know whatyou want to do with your life?
Like right now it's just kind oflost.
And I have a feeling that he would later figure it out that
he would just want to create like good products and stuff.
And in my event, they just go back to those crates and our
products, you know, or somethinglike that.
Maybe he has passion for that things, you know, But like the
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main idea is keep what's making money close to what you like.
In the event that I mean, everybody wants to make a lot of
money just now. They don't need, they don't need
to make so much money. They ain't even working so much
hours money. And I'm talking in the, in the,
in the belief that I would walk to a next day someday, that I
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don't need to walk anymore for money or like I don't need to be
actively working anymore for money.
No, So I'm, I'm talking about myself.
I don't even want to walk into your nights or whatever.
But like, you know, when, if money isn't an object, I will
still be doing what I'm doing right now.
But the question is, for you, ifmoney wasn't an object, would
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you still be doing what you are doing right now?
Or would you be doing some dissimilar?
We'll be doing something entirely different.
And now that you've made that realization, can you manage both
of them together? You don't have to like you don't
have to walk together. I don't have to be creating.
Look at me now, I'm a programmer.
I create content. I don't have to create content
on programming or tech. I can do both of them different.
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I can create content on life andI can program different stuff.
I can program whatever product that does not pertain to life.
I mean, you could do two different things, but you just
have to be able to, you know, put them together and like, OK,
I'm doing this today, I'm doing this tomorrow, I'm doing this in
the morning, I'm doing this in the night.
So that's just something I just wanted to clarify.
(12:49):
Like there's the monetary aspects of like, you know, you
need to eat, you need to leave, you need to buy stuff, you need
to buy stuff for things you'd like to do.
You get like if you like to playtable tennis, you'd like to buy
like maybe like a table tennis board or like, you know, travel
and see table Tennis Championships or whatever you
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get. You still need money for that.
Even doing something like like, right.
But like I said, money is actually required to live your
best life. Money is an enabler.
Money is something that you really need.
I used, I used to think my back when I was 16 or 17 that I don't
need money. I just need to create stuff.
I just need to impact the world.And yes, I still believe that to
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an extent, to an extent. I would tell myself now that
money is actually very important.
I, I'm, I'm usually just stressing about money.
Like before I recorded this, I was like having to stress about
money. Like I'm going to go broke very
soon. And you know, like the universe
sorts itself out, sure, but thenlike, it's absolutely, you know,
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look at it. I like 2 years ago I, I would
know, I've been thinking about, I've been thinking about like, I
don't know, I didn't make money.I just need to make impact.
And yes, you need to make impact, but you also need to
make money. And that's why the title of this
podcast is Money and legacy. Like they go handing and
together. You need to, you know, measure
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them together, you know, shake hands and stuff or whatever.
So there's this question of like, OK, let me read it for you
guys. A friend of mine died recently
and I started to question the idea of leaving something
behind. Yeah.
So you know, the money aspects, I already talk about the money
aspects and now the legacy aspects of, of what I was
(14:41):
talking about. So, you know, I was thinking
about it like people that die, what did they actually leave
behind? You know, you're you're working,
you're trying to also whatever, like the people that listen my
podcast from my demographic or from the analytics that I
actually don't check or most time I just because it's there,
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which I have very young people. So I also like 18 to 30.
So who listen to this podcast like 18 to 30, right?
And now just imagine what our generation is in this also
cultural like you have to bomb, you have to make money out,
like, you know, you have to hustle and stuff.
So the question is if you die today, if I die today, what do I
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leave behind? Or like, what's my legacy?
You know, this idea today I havelike, like some money in my, in
my bank account, whatever. The money will finish very fast,
to be honest, because you have to bury me.
But then like, what else? What else do I leave behind?
Do I leave behind notes? I leave behind memories.
I mean, people leave behind memories like you remember this
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person until you don't remember the person.
Like my grandma died in 2013. I remember maybe because I was
very young. I was very young.
I wasn't close to her, to be honest.
I was a very young scorch. So when we didn't really have
any interpersonal relationship, I would say.
But I remember once in a while, like once in a blue moon, she
just pops up in my mind. And that is same thing for
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people, even people that haven'tdied, people like some of my
friends, like people haven't talked in a while.
I just I'm just sitting, I'm like, huh, what happened to this
person? What happened to that person?
That person is fine, you know, stuff like that.
But like that is like living memories.
You know, you'd, you would remind the person once in a
while. I remember Joshua, I remember
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Joshua. Joshua died.
Was it this time last year, likeJanuary last year?
I remember Joshua, I remember him.
I read something about him aboutwhat do you do behind?
I have like, I had like two or three write tops, like not
dedicated to Joshua Percy, but like inspired by Joshua because
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Joshua was a friend of mine. And then we stayed together in
hostel doing a pretty good program in 2021.
Yeah, yeah, it was, it was a very nice guy.
It was, it was when I looked up to that time and I was like, I
was like like 16 at that time, just, I was like 2 years ago at
me, but like just had this machoaura and I was like, you know, I
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like Joshua. I like Joshua.
I want to be like Joshua. I just, I just like how he was
very composed. Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe just
maybe that's what made me who I am today.
Just from, I want to say that's what made me who I am today.
But like his influence was very important to my character
development. And he died last year.
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Was it last year, like 2 years ago?
Last year, Definitely last year around this early, early of the
year. Yeah, I have some have some
stuff dedicated to him and I will drop it there.
Something about like what do youleave behind and stuff like
that. But like, yeah, he begs the
question of like, I'm sorry for trouble, don't you know you guys
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like it begs the question of is it just memory?
Because I remember Joshua. I remember Joshua not not too
fondly. I remember him once in a while.
But other than that, like I'm very busy what I'm doing
alright. And if you had the podcast or if
you had write up, so if you had the products he created or if
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you had pictures or whatever, you know, I would look at it
more often than just memories. Like let's see, Michael Jackson,
people that knew him personally will not remember in my memory.
Do you remember his music? You know, but like like his
videos, like his concerts or whatever, as much as memories
are important, you still need toleave something behind.
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Something, something material, something that people can
reference you for. Yeah, you don't.
You don't have to build 1 crazy ass product or like do something
crazy or like write 1 New York Times bestselling book.
I mean every, every book at thispoint is in New York Times
bestselling book. Let me look at this book I'm
reading The Way of Disappearing,my international bestseller.
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I have like 5 books, 7 books I found with all best sellers,
international bestsellers and everything.
You don't have to, you don't have to write that for you to
remember. But like, there's this stuff
about marriage I heard about recently because the reason why
people marry is not because likebased on love, but it's because
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of you being a witness. So I marry you because I want to
witness your life. I want to be you are special
enough for me to witness your life.
I want to witness your highs andyour lows.
And I know every day when you'reabout to learn your dead bed and
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you think that your life was wasted, I will remind you that
life was not wasted. And you were actually care about
because I witnessed your life. So I might be fumbling the whole
night if you're about marriage stuff for violence, but it's
about like people seeing what you, what you did here and what
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you learnt and everything you know.
I rambled about money. So I'm running now about legacy
and how leaving something behind, no matter how intangible
it is, is very important. You might not be, you might not
the whole world might not know who you are, but you're like,
you're close people, your close relatives or like your close
friends or whatever would remember you better, you know,
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than just memories, like just pictures.
You know, you have something tangible like now, if I die when
I die, because I know I would die at some point, you know, and
somebody is missing me so much and the year, this, the year,
this podcast episode, whenever in 20, whatever, whatever.
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And they're like, wow, it was sofull of life.
You know, there was there was anintellectual and this and that,
like I'm gas myself up right now.
But then I think you understand the point where like you have
something to hold onto and not only them, but the world at
large will have something to hold onto.
So don't be the kind of person that existed just like you just
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existed in pictures and existed in people's memories, pretty
kind of person that existed in raw facts.
People could set you up. People could people could just
imagine somebody holding your raw thoughts in paper.
That is very important. Like somebody looking at their
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e-mail, like people getting emails of, of your intellectual,
your intellectual pondering. It's, it's, it's, it's surreal,
like something you actually needto, you actually sit down to
appreciate like, and, and it's really amazing.
You know, you need to create something for yourself rather
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than just memories and you need to, I, I believe that everybody
in this world is beautiful. Something great.
Like you might not be the greatest in the whole world, but
at least you'll be great somewhere.
And you could, you know, like you have to you have to leave
something behind. Yes, I remember the episode.
I remember the not the episode, the write up, the blog post.
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What do you leave behind? Does I think that's the title.
And then they're like two more that I talked with Asian and
some of that stuff about like, what does that mean to you?
And some of that stuff like, yeah, were you on this earth for
I know we all want to live our best life, but we have that
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existential feeling of leaving something behind.
Hence statues, monuments, commemorations, you know,
attributions, creations is I might be talking from my own
perspective of leaving somethingbehind, but we as humans have
always felt the need to leave something behind.
You know, that's why people havestatues or like people have, you
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know, monuments and, you know, history books and references.
You know, everybody wants to be remembered.
Everybody wants to leave something behind.
So I'm not just talking about like I'm not just talking from
my perspectives, like an existential human need to exist
beyond self. People wouldn't risk anything if
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they wouldn't be remembered for it.
Like what would I feel the need to break the 100 meters world
record if nobody Remember Me forit, like reference me for it.
That's the reason why people break records like that, maybe
to feel good or whatever, but toalso be remembered to be in the
history books as that's like like legacy for you to leave
something behind, you know. So on the surface, people might
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do stuff for other people, otherthings out of curiosity or more
body underlying factor. Why people create, why people
create stuff, why people do stuff is to persist after they
no longer exist. So yeah, I wrote that.
And which is true, everybody wants to persist after they no
longer exist. So I knew you maybe listen to
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this and I'm like, man, you're speaking pure fact.
Yeah, So you know, I know I'm speaking pure fact.
If you don't have give it to them, you don't agree with it.
But I know it's pure fact. So rounding it up, rounding it
up, you know, both of these are important and there needs to be
a level of balance between them.Like I said, money is important.
Money is very, very important. But legacy is also important.
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I don't know which is more important.
I mean, I don't know which is more important.
Who might say money is more important?
People might say legacy is more important.
I will leave you to decide. But if I feel personally for me
that both of them, I are equallyimportant.
I know if you have money, you probably die, people starve, you
need to eat, you want to be starving.
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Assets are begging people aroundfor like food or whatever.
You also need money to get whereyou would need to create legacy.
You know, like you're an athlete, you need to like get
your training regiment or whatever.
But you know, I digress. I actually digress.
You know, my own opinion is money and legacy are both
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important in life. So, you know, you need to make
money and you need to immortalize yourself.
And I won't sit here and tell you to drop one for the other.
You know, take both of them in stride and you personally will
know how to balance both of themfor yourself at different
aspects of your life. So that was it.
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It's been years since I've recorded an episode.
My phone's about to die. I think I probably caught our
ball. Like it's been years since I've
recorded an episode and I feel pretty good about this one.
I don't know how you want to sound because the last one I
recorded recently, like for the 1st 6 minutes was very, very
bad. But yeah, it's been a while to
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you guys. I was really nice to, you know,
pour out my heart contents, my mind's contents, my soaks
contents, you know, my books contents.
I don't even know man. Like just just nice to share, to
share something, you know, and add to my ever going legacy
footprints, add to my ever growing legacy footprints.
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So the question would be, what would you add to your own legacy
footprints? So yeah, thank you guys for, you
know, listening up to something learn from up is something that
you actually talk about, like give you a very good thought
process or whatever. So, you know, thank you for
listening. Thank you for joining me and my
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and my journey and everything. I appreciate you.
I've been getting a lot of emails a lot to just to like two
people. I won't subscribe for my sub
stock. I don't know how to feel about
it. I feel like if my good thing
good, I know my goodness is good.
To be honest, I don't doubt this, but like I'm like, why did
they unsubscribe for my sub stock?
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When I say I feel bad, I don't feel bad.
I just feel like wow, they're actually living, you know, so
thank you guys. We will assist stick and you
know people. Thank you.
Oh my God, thank you to everyonethat still listens to my
podcast. Thank you to everyone that
watches my videos. You know comments on even though
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I apply comments like one week later.
My apologies. Thank you for everyone that
looks at my pictures and likes them, but not only like you like
the pictures, but like you look at the pictures and you, you
feel some inner connection with them.
You know, that's the reason why I take pictures.
I, I like to take pictures. I feel inner connection with.
I don't have a lot of pictures. I've not been taking a lot of
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pictures recently and I don't know why.
Maybe I'll get back to it. You never know.
But like thank you to everyone that reads my articles, you
know, like my blog posts and then they kind of relate to it
or they relate it to their life and learn something from it,
which is very important. So thank you to everyone, thank
you to everyone. I love you all very, very, very,
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very, very much. If you even make it this far
'cause you don't make it this far, but you know, thank you to
anyone that makes it this far right now or in the next 1020,
thirty years, if this even persists.
So thank you for that. And I guess I would see you on
the next episode or blog post orpicture or quotes or whatever.
Welcome to the live podcast. So we figure out few more to
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(00:25):
Hello everyone and welcome to another episode podcast.
I'm your host, Trabajo me normally I'm not supposed to do
this intro anymore because technically kind of I already
have an intro, but I developed the intro when I wanted to start
podcasting, like when I was intomy first my first few episodes.
So the intro is like it's like like reflex at this point.
(00:47):
I just see the amount start recording, but I'm going to
leave it in just for for the vibes of it.
So I knew you think it's been a while.
Like we haven't even we haven't done anything earlier.
I've really released on podcast this this year.
I mean videos are released this year.
I think one I've released one video this year.
(01:09):
I'm like the videos. I'm not even, it's not something
I'm like thinking about to be honest, because those videos, I
have actually like recordings like last year August.
So I mean, that's not like I, I just did it recently.
So I won't calendar. So I've only done one podcast
this year. And yeah, I've like three
(01:32):
articles. I've written like 4 blog posts.
I've gone in blog posts and articles.
I've written 4 blog posts. I'm doing this ponder P stuff
like it's like quotes, like quotes version 2, I guess, but
like it's longer and everything at this point, I didn't even
know why my content I cannot buyone day.
You know what, let's do a video with this.
Let's do a podcast this let's write to this.
(01:54):
You know, that's straight cool to this.
I mean, I I I just have to do itthough, so and I actually know
what I'm doing. I think I know what I'm doing, I
guess. But yeah, just getting to the
episode. I have drafted episodes like,
you know, the indefinitely. So before I start, I want to
(02:14):
dedicate this episode to Larry. He was a friend of mine wearing
close. So I will just clarify that
wearing close. But he was a he was a friend.
He was a friend of mine and he died recently.
He died beginning of this year. So that was what prompted me to
actually draft up this episode. So I'm just going to I'm just
(02:37):
going to dedicate it to him, youknow, rest in peace.
I hope. I hope he lived for something.
And where have I been since August?
I've been in a creative rods. So like I actually would, I'll
talk about in another episode, but these days I really don't
know when the next episode is going to be very, very
(02:58):
stressful. I won't say very stressful.
I don't say very time consuming 'cause of my finals.
I mean, I've been in my finals since last year, but like I'm in
my final two months. So projects and school and you
know, like crapping things up, stuff like that.
So I, I've just been a bit busy and money.
(03:20):
I I've been feeling that money then.
So I'm, I'm just going to pour my heart out on this and I hope
people can relate and understandwhere I'm coming from.
So this is this is talk about when I legacy or before that
about how I being in a creative world.
Like I said, I haven't actually recorded a video since August.
(03:40):
I don't know why I I've just been not feeling.
It's like creativity is kind of something that you feel.
I know the the debates of like schedules and structures and you
know, do this and do that, like have a content calendar.
Last my last episode, I I said Iwas going to take content
(04:00):
calendar. To be honest, I haven't actually
done the content calendar. It's it's like this is I don't
want to base content as like something structured.
I want to base content as something you feel, you feel and
you express you feel and you express.
You know, the people that base content on structure are people
that are getting paid for it. I am not getting paid for this.
(04:22):
I'm not getting paid for writing.
And then my, my subset is free. I mean, I, I even just moved
from subset. I didn't move on subset per SE,
but like I, I have a version of sub stack on my personal
websites, which is for free. Like you can just check it out
by yourself. And then my podcast is free.
(04:43):
My videos are free, my quotes are free, my tweets are free.
My everything is free. To be honest, I'm not making
money from anything. There's no like ad whatever.
I'm not sponsored by anybody, you know, So like I feel no
need. I feel no need to structure it
or by feeling it's like pop out and pop out and pop out.
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I like to create stuff when I feel I need to create stuff.
I like to see stuff when I feel I need to see stuff, not just
writing redundancies or recording redundancies.
You know, I need to feel it, then I create it.
That's that's, that's right. That was the way it is.
And, you know, sometimes you canspeed up a process, but like,
you know, being introspective and taking some time off and
(05:29):
observing things. I know jotting them down, but I
haven't had time to do that, youknow, 'cause like I said, I'm
busy. But, you know, I always feel the
need to feed the streets. And this is me feeding the
streets right now. So yeah, I, I guess that's that.
But let's just, let's just go into the episode.
Let's talk about money and legacy.
(05:49):
OK? I think I I basically just
talked about not creating for a moment and then now I want to
start creating. Like how could I conform to just
doing nothing and stuff like that?
So yeah, having a good year and training thirty way for money
and, you know, decided to dedicate my 2025 to money.
(06:10):
How is that going right now? Dedicate my 2025 to money?
To be honest, I think I really like balanced out and you know,
like money is important to like creating is also important.
So I'm like just balanced with the amount right now or before
beginning of the year, you know,beginning of the year, you have
goals, you have expectations, you have things you tell
yourself, things you want to do,things you would think you would
(06:31):
do but you would later not do because can you just realize
that you're not the kind of person to do them?
This is a very So I just realized that my mic hasn't been
recording for 8 minutes. I just rambled to the world for
8 minutes without any record of it.
(06:55):
But you know what, the universe is trying to tell me something
to keep it short. So I'm just going to repeat what
I said. If I can remember what I said,
I'm going to repeat that. And then, you know, just like
make it clear and stuff like that.
So I, I've listened to the otherone that just recorded like the
(07:15):
way cut off and I was talking about how money is important
and, and stuff like that. So is money a societal
constructs? Yes and no.
Is it's required to have a best life?
I would say that money is required to have a best life.
So the question I asked myself before this one cut off was
(07:36):
like, if, when it wasn't an object for me, would I still be
doing what I'm doing right now? So, you know, my creative
pursuits. I do not make money from it.
I don't make money from from podcast.
I don't make money from any videos or like writing and stuff
like that. See something I do just on my
(07:57):
own free will, right? The where I make my money from
is from software from like my programming aspects.
And if money was in an object, Iwould still be programming
because something I actually like to do.
So, you know, programming is like a creative pursuit on the
zones, like creating software creating then it's true
(08:18):
technology. So it's still something that I
would do myself. Now you need to ask yourself the
question that if money wasn't anobject, would you be doing what
you're doing right now? You know, and you might have an
answer of yes, might have an answer of doing, might have an
answer of, you know, you're still working on it and stuff
(08:41):
like you're not sure yet. And yes, if you're doing a job,
let's say if you're doing a job in accountants, you're you're an
accountant in accountancy, you're, you're an accountant and
you like to create lip glosses or like you like the fashion
scene. You, you don't have to, you
don't have to just drop your jobat the bank or like wherever
(09:02):
you're working, just go and start making lip glosses.
And you could do, you could balance the both of them
together. I do software and I do and I do
like podcasts and videos and pictures and whatever.
I tried to balance both of them up, even though I like both of
them to be honest, but I tried to balance them up.
I just tried to, you know, get them working together.
And I feel you should do the same because I would give you an
(09:24):
example of something I, I, you know, came across recently.
So I was on, I was an ex and then this guy, there was this
guy that shared a story of the founder of Loom.
I actually didn't know the company Loom.
I might have heard of you beforebecause it sounds familiar, but
doing exactly. I can't exactly pinpoint it.
(09:45):
Yeah. So I really blog post of the
founder, he was like, his laws doesn't know what to do, you
know, climbing the Himalayas mountains.
He said something about he's in one country in Asia, you know,
just doing basically nothing. I guess I can't actually
remember what he wrote in that blog post.
(10:05):
So he was a startup founder. Like, was he?
He founded a company and the company sold it, sold the
company, but guess how much you sold the company for?
You know, it's not like 10,000,050 million, $1 million.
He sold that company for $975 million.
I've worked in a company, airports, you know, I've
(10:29):
forgotten the copying and media acquisition.
But then he sold that company for $975,000,000 and it was also
given an offer to stay in the company for $60 million a year.
He was said he was skeptical he was going to take that offer or
not. I don't know if you have taken
the offer or not. But then like you look at that
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kind of money, like how can you tell me that you got that kind
of money and you don't know whatyou want to do with your life?
Like right now it's just kind oflost.
And I have a feeling that he would later figure it out that
he would just want to create like good products and stuff.
And in my event, they just go back to those crates and our
products, you know, or somethinglike that.
Maybe he has passion for that things, you know, But like the
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main idea is keep what's making money close to what you like.
In the event that I mean, everybody wants to make a lot of
money just now. They don't need, they don't need
to make so much money. They ain't even working so much
hours money. And I'm talking in the, in the,
in the belief that I would walk to a next day someday, that I
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don't need to walk anymore for money or like I don't need to be
actively working anymore for money.
No, So I'm, I'm talking about myself.
I don't even want to walk into your nights or whatever.
But like, you know, when, if money isn't an object, I will
still be doing what I'm doing right now.
But the question is, for you, ifmoney wasn't an object, would
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you still be doing what you are doing right now?
Or would you be doing some dissimilar?
We'll be doing something entirely different.
And now that you've made that realization, can you manage both
of them together? You don't have to like you don't
have to walk together. I don't have to be creating.
Look at me now, I'm a programmer.
I create content. I don't have to create content
on programming or tech. I can do both of them different.
(12:26):
I can create content on life andI can program different stuff.
I can program whatever product that does not pertain to life.
I mean, you could do two different things, but you just
have to be able to, you know, put them together and like, OK,
I'm doing this today, I'm doing this tomorrow, I'm doing this in
the morning, I'm doing this in the night.
So that's just something I just wanted to clarify.
(12:49):
Like there's the monetary aspects of like, you know, you
need to eat, you need to leave, you need to buy stuff, you need
to buy stuff for things you'd like to do.
You get like if you like to playtable tennis, you'd like to buy
like maybe like a table tennis board or like, you know, travel
and see table Tennis Championships or whatever you
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get. You still need money for that.
Even doing something like like, right.
But like I said, money is actually required to live your
best life. Money is an enabler.
Money is something that you really need.
I used, I used to think my back when I was 16 or 17 that I don't
need money. I just need to create stuff.
I just need to impact the world.And yes, I still believe that to
(13:33):
an extent, to an extent. I would tell myself now that
money is actually very important.
I, I'm, I'm usually just stressing about money.
Like before I recorded this, I was like having to stress about
money. Like I'm going to go broke very
soon. And you know, like the universe
sorts itself out, sure, but thenlike, it's absolutely, you know,
(13:53):
look at it. I like 2 years ago I, I would
know, I've been thinking about, I've been thinking about like, I
don't know, I didn't make money.I just need to make impact.
And yes, you need to make impact, but you also need to
make money. And that's why the title of this
podcast is Money and legacy. Like they go handing and
together. You need to, you know, measure
(14:15):
them together, you know, shake hands and stuff or whatever.
So there's this question of like, OK, let me read it for you
guys. A friend of mine died recently
and I started to question the idea of leaving something
behind. Yeah.
So you know, the money aspects, I already talk about the money
aspects and now the legacy aspects of, of what I was
(14:41):
talking about. So, you know, I was thinking
about it like people that die, what did they actually leave
behind? You know, you're you're working,
you're trying to also whatever, like the people that listen my
podcast from my demographic or from the analytics that I
actually don't check or most time I just because it's there,
(15:01):
which I have very young people. So I also like 18 to 30.
So who listen to this podcast like 18 to 30, right?
And now just imagine what our generation is in this also
cultural like you have to bomb, you have to make money out,
like, you know, you have to hustle and stuff.
So the question is if you die today, if I die today, what do I
(15:27):
leave behind? Or like, what's my legacy?
You know, this idea today I havelike, like some money in my, in
my bank account, whatever. The money will finish very fast,
to be honest, because you have to bury me.
But then like, what else? What else do I leave behind?
Do I leave behind notes? I leave behind memories.
I mean, people leave behind memories like you remember this
(15:49):
person until you don't remember the person.
Like my grandma died in 2013. I remember maybe because I was
very young. I was very young.
I wasn't close to her, to be honest.
I was a very young scorch. So when we didn't really have
any interpersonal relationship, I would say.
But I remember once in a while, like once in a blue moon, she
just pops up in my mind. And that is same thing for
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people, even people that haven'tdied, people like some of my
friends, like people haven't talked in a while.
I just I'm just sitting, I'm like, huh, what happened to this
person? What happened to that person?
That person is fine, you know, stuff like that.
But like that is like living memories.
You know, you'd, you would remind the person once in a
while. I remember Joshua, I remember
(16:32):
Joshua. Joshua died.
Was it this time last year, likeJanuary last year?
I remember Joshua, I remember him.
I read something about him aboutwhat do you do behind?
I have like, I had like two or three write tops, like not
dedicated to Joshua Percy, but like inspired by Joshua because
(16:53):
Joshua was a friend of mine. And then we stayed together in
hostel doing a pretty good program in 2021.
Yeah, yeah, it was, it was a very nice guy.
It was, it was when I looked up to that time and I was like, I
was like like 16 at that time, just, I was like 2 years ago at
me, but like just had this machoaura and I was like, you know, I
(17:18):
like Joshua. I like Joshua.
I want to be like Joshua. I just, I just like how he was
very composed. Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe just
maybe that's what made me who I am today.
Just from, I want to say that's what made me who I am today.
But like his influence was very important to my character
development. And he died last year.
(17:38):
Was it last year, like 2 years ago?
Last year, Definitely last year around this early, early of the
year. Yeah, I have some have some
stuff dedicated to him and I will drop it there.
Something about like what do youleave behind and stuff like
that. But like, yeah, he begs the
question of like, I'm sorry for trouble, don't you know you guys
(18:02):
like it begs the question of is it just memory?
Because I remember Joshua. I remember Joshua not not too
fondly. I remember him once in a while.
But other than that, like I'm very busy what I'm doing
alright. And if you had the podcast or if
you had write up, so if you had the products he created or if
(18:23):
you had pictures or whatever, you know, I would look at it
more often than just memories. Like let's see, Michael Jackson,
people that knew him personally will not remember in my memory.
Do you remember his music? You know, but like like his
videos, like his concerts or whatever, as much as memories
are important, you still need toleave something behind.
(18:46):
Something, something material, something that people can
reference you for. Yeah, you don't.
You don't have to build 1 crazy ass product or like do something
crazy or like write 1 New York Times bestselling book.
I mean every, every book at thispoint is in New York Times
bestselling book. Let me look at this book I'm
reading The Way of Disappearing,my international bestseller.
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I have like 5 books, 7 books I found with all best sellers,
international bestsellers and everything.
You don't have to, you don't have to write that for you to
remember. But like, there's this stuff
about marriage I heard about recently because the reason why
people marry is not because likebased on love, but it's because
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of you being a witness. So I marry you because I want to
witness your life. I want to be you are special
enough for me to witness your life.
I want to witness your highs andyour lows.
And I know every day when you'reabout to learn your dead bed and
(19:53):
you think that your life was wasted, I will remind you that
life was not wasted. And you were actually care about
because I witnessed your life. So I might be fumbling the whole
night if you're about marriage stuff for violence, but it's
about like people seeing what you, what you did here and what
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you learnt and everything you know.
I rambled about money. So I'm running now about legacy
and how leaving something behind, no matter how intangible
it is, is very important. You might not be, you might not
the whole world might not know who you are, but you're like,
you're close people, your close relatives or like your close
friends or whatever would remember you better, you know,
(20:40):
than just memories, like just pictures.
You know, you have something tangible like now, if I die when
I die, because I know I would die at some point, you know, and
somebody is missing me so much and the year, this, the year,
this podcast episode, whenever in 20, whatever, whatever.
(21:00):
And they're like, wow, it was sofull of life.
You know, there was there was anintellectual and this and that,
like I'm gas myself up right now.
But then I think you understand the point where like you have
something to hold onto and not only them, but the world at
large will have something to hold onto.
So don't be the kind of person that existed just like you just
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existed in pictures and existed in people's memories, pretty
kind of person that existed in raw facts.
People could set you up. People could people could just
imagine somebody holding your raw thoughts in paper.
That is very important. Like somebody looking at their
(21:44):
e-mail, like people getting emails of, of your intellectual,
your intellectual pondering. It's, it's, it's, it's surreal,
like something you actually needto, you actually sit down to
appreciate like, and, and it's really amazing.
You know, you need to create something for yourself rather
(22:05):
than just memories and you need to, I, I believe that everybody
in this world is beautiful. Something great.
Like you might not be the greatest in the whole world, but
at least you'll be great somewhere.
And you could, you know, like you have to you have to leave
something behind. Yes, I remember the episode.
I remember the not the episode, the write up, the blog post.
(22:29):
What do you leave behind? Does I think that's the title.
And then they're like two more that I talked with Asian and
some of that stuff about like, what does that mean to you?
And some of that stuff like, yeah, were you on this earth for
I know we all want to live our best life, but we have that
(22:49):
existential feeling of leaving something behind.
Hence statues, monuments, commemorations, you know,
attributions, creations is I might be talking from my own
perspective of leaving somethingbehind, but we as humans have
always felt the need to leave something behind.
You know, that's why people havestatues or like people have, you
(23:10):
know, monuments and, you know, history books and references.
You know, everybody wants to be remembered.
Everybody wants to leave something behind.
So I'm not just talking about like I'm not just talking from
my perspectives, like an existential human need to exist
beyond self. People wouldn't risk anything if
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they wouldn't be remembered for it.
Like what would I feel the need to break the 100 meters world
record if nobody Remember Me forit, like reference me for it.
That's the reason why people break records like that, maybe
to feel good or whatever, but toalso be remembered to be in the
history books as that's like like legacy for you to leave
something behind, you know. So on the surface, people might
(23:52):
do stuff for other people, otherthings out of curiosity or more
body underlying factor. Why people create, why people
create stuff, why people do stuff is to persist after they
no longer exist. So yeah, I wrote that.
And which is true, everybody wants to persist after they no
longer exist. So I knew you maybe listen to
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this and I'm like, man, you're speaking pure fact.
Yeah, So you know, I know I'm speaking pure fact.
If you don't have give it to them, you don't agree with it.
But I know it's pure fact. So rounding it up, rounding it
up, you know, both of these are important and there needs to be
a level of balance between them.Like I said, money is important.
Money is very, very important. But legacy is also important.
(24:38):
I don't know which is more important.
I mean, I don't know which is more important.
Who might say money is more important?
People might say legacy is more important.
I will leave you to decide. But if I feel personally for me
that both of them, I are equallyimportant.
I know if you have money, you probably die, people starve, you
need to eat, you want to be starving.
(24:58):
Assets are begging people aroundfor like food or whatever.
You also need money to get whereyou would need to create legacy.
You know, like you're an athlete, you need to like get
your training regiment or whatever.
But you know, I digress. I actually digress.
You know, my own opinion is money and legacy are both
(25:18):
important in life. So, you know, you need to make
money and you need to immortalize yourself.
And I won't sit here and tell you to drop one for the other.
You know, take both of them in stride and you personally will
know how to balance both of themfor yourself at different
aspects of your life. So that was it.
(25:39):
It's been years since I've recorded an episode.
My phone's about to die. I think I probably caught our
ball. Like it's been years since I've
recorded an episode and I feel pretty good about this one.
I don't know how you want to sound because the last one I
recorded recently, like for the 1st 6 minutes was very, very
bad. But yeah, it's been a while to
(26:02):
you guys. I was really nice to, you know,
pour out my heart contents, my mind's contents, my soaks
contents, you know, my books contents.
I don't even know man. Like just just nice to share, to
share something, you know, and add to my ever going legacy
footprints, add to my ever growing legacy footprints.
(26:26):
So the question would be, what would you add to your own legacy
footprints? So yeah, thank you guys for, you
know, listening up to something learn from up is something that
you actually talk about, like give you a very good thought
process or whatever. So, you know, thank you for
listening. Thank you for joining me and my
(26:48):
and my journey and everything. I appreciate you.
I've been getting a lot of emails a lot to just to like two
people. I won't subscribe for my sub
stock. I don't know how to feel about
it. I feel like if my good thing
good, I know my goodness is good.
To be honest, I don't doubt this, but like I'm like, why did
they unsubscribe for my sub stock?
(27:12):
When I say I feel bad, I don't feel bad.
I just feel like wow, they're actually living, you know, so
thank you guys. We will assist stick and you
know people. Thank you.
Oh my God, thank you to everyonethat still listens to my
podcast. Thank you to everyone that
watches my videos. You know comments on even though
(27:33):
I apply comments like one week later.
My apologies. Thank you for everyone that
looks at my pictures and likes them, but not only like you like
the pictures, but like you look at the pictures and you, you
feel some inner connection with them.
You know, that's the reason why I take pictures.
I, I like to take pictures. I feel inner connection with.
I don't have a lot of pictures. I've not been taking a lot of
(27:55):
pictures recently and I don't know why.
Maybe I'll get back to it. You never know.
But like thank you to everyone that reads my articles, you
know, like my blog posts and then they kind of relate to it
or they relate it to their life and learn something from it,
which is very important. So thank you to everyone, thank
you to everyone. I love you all very, very, very,
(28:18):
very, very much. If you even make it this far
'cause you don't make it this far, but you know, thank you to
anyone that makes it this far right now or in the next 1020,
thirty years, if this even persists.
So thank you for that. And I guess I would see you on
the next episode or blog post orpicture or quotes or whatever.
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