July 14, 2025 • 46 mins
Dr. Ayla Wolf interviews Dr. Ala Lysyk about Cereset technology, an innovative approach using acoustic feedback to help the brain reset itself after concussion or trauma. They discuss how this engineering-based technology creates a real-time acoustic mirror therapy that allows the brain to recognize and correct harmful patterns causing persistent fatigue and other symptoms.
• Dr. Ala's journey from chiropractor to functional neurologist after being inspired by Dr. Carrick's paradigm-shifting approach
• How persistent post-concussion fatigue led Dr. Ala to search for better solutions for her patients
• The development of Cereset by Lee Gerdes, an electrical engineer who suffered a TBI and discovered sound could help heal his brain
• How Cereset measures emotional and stress fitness in the brain using EEG sensors
• The difference between fight/flight (right-sided dominance) and freeze (left-sided dominance) brain patterns
• The standard five-session protocol and how it creates lasting changes in brain function
• Real patient experiences and transformations after using the technology
• Why this approach works well for visual-sensitive concussion patients as it relies only on sound.
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Dr. Ala Lysyk (00:00):
I knew at that moment from how clear my brain
felt, that this was the answerto fatigue.
Dr. Ayla Wolf (00:10):
Welcome to Life after impact the concussion
recovery Podcast. I'm Dr AylaWolf, and I will be hosting
today's episode where we helpyou navigate the often
confusing, frustrating andoverwhelming journey of
concussion and brain injuryrecovery, this podcast is your
go to resource for actionableinformation, whether you're
dealing with a recentconcussion, struggling with post
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concussion syndrome, or justfeeling stuck in your healing
process. In each episode, wedive deep into the symptoms,
testing, treatments andneurological insights that can
help you move forward withclarity and confidence. We bring
you leading experts in the worldof brain health, functional
neurology and rehabilitation toshare their wisdom and
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strategies. So if you're feelinglost, hopeless or like no one
understands what you're goingthrough, know that you are not
alone. This podcast can be yourguide and partner in recovery,
helping you build a better lifeafter impact. Dr aylask, welcome
to the life after impactpodcast. I am so excited to have
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you on the show and to talkabout a very interesting therapy
that you do that I had neverheard of until I met you. So why
don't you start out by giving ussome background on how you got
interested in neurology. Youstarted out as a doctor of
chiropractic, and that has ledyou on probably quite a journey
to where you are now. So give ussome background on your interest
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in neurology, and then how yougot interested in kind of post
concussion syndrome and reallyfocusing on the fatigue aspect
of the brain,
Dr. Ala Lysyk (01:47):
absolutely. So thank you for having me. Dr
Ayla, I appreciate that. And wemet at a Carrick seminar. We
were sitting in the pool afterthe seminar. We were chatting,
this was during this COVIDCraziness. And you're like, you
need a hot yoga dome. And I'mlike, I don't even know what
that is, but we were talkingabout yoga. And so I want to
give you all the credit that Ihave this large internal in my
(02:11):
house, igloo that I blow up andI do yoga in. Thanks to you, my
dear. Well, you're welcome.
People like, what are you doing?
I'm like, hot yoga.
Dr. Ayla Wolf (02:20):
Yeah. I mean, during the pandemic, I was like,
I need to do my hot yoga. And Ifound this hot yoga dome that
lets me do it at home,
Dr. Ala Lysyk (02:29):
right? Awesome.
So neurology for me was born ofreally trying to figure out how
to get out of the chiropracticpractice. I was frustrated that
I wasn't making the differencesI was hoping to make into my
patients lives, and so I went ona journey of, what am I going to
do next? And so I was like,well, maybe I'll just go sell
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cars, because I'm pretty sure Icould, but I don't know anything
about cars, so I thought, well,maybe I should check this out a
little bit better. And so therewas a conference on whiplash,
and that was being held inChicago. So I told my husband,
who practices alongside me, thatlet's go to Chicago and go to
this whiplash seminar and seewhat we learn. Well, it was like
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winning the lottery, because DrKerik was the presenter. Had no
idea who that was, but whenthings happen to me or for me,
or, you know, to get meredirected in life, they usually
happen within the first minuteof a conversation. And so Dr
Carrick got up at thisconference and spoke, and within
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one minute, I was done, and I'mlike, I'm going to be absolutely
learning what this gentlemanright here in front of me is
saying, because he had a massiveparadigm shift within 60 seconds
of speaking to me. I forgotother people were in the room.
So shortly after that seminar,literally, the entire carrot
neurology program started inMinneapolis, and so it was
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within two weeks, we werealready registered for the
program, and both Kelly and I,my husband, went through the
Carrick Institute initialtraining series that took us a
couple years we completed thattook our board certification,
and we literally started in theWorld of brain and loved every
part of it. Loved every part ofit, you know, as you know, when
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you just get out of thatprogram, you're just trying to
figure out what what do you dowith all this information? And
so we we started low and slow.
We did purchase a CAPS unitright away so we were able to do
posturography. And we startedthere, we started to learn about
balance, and, you know, stance,and looked at gait, as you know,
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that's the most reliableindicator of, are we making
changes? And so as our practicegrew and we started to see more
and more neurologic cases, theone thing that was really
difficult for me as.
Practitioner, as a person whowanted everyone to obviously
have some positive outcome, wasthis element of fatigue, and you
have written in your new book,and I appreciate that you did
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that on behalf of this largegroup of people that should have
probably had also versions ofthat book already written, but
you did the work. And kudos toyou. And I'm going to read all
of it from back to front and eatit up. It was this element of
fatigue. Anyone who has sufferedany type of trauma to the brain,
whether it is concussive orwhether it is, you know, an
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emotional concussion, if youwill, or a combination of both,
the element of fatigue is a realthing. Now, I just went through
a loss of a dear brother thislast week, and I can assure you
that the grief that you feelwhen you lose someone that you
just adore must feel like aconcussion, because I was in a
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fog like no other this week. IYou do your crying, you do all
that hugging and all that stuff,but it was like it was shut off.
I was like, I am so fatigued,and I didn't do anything
physically to feel that way. Ididn't do anything other than my
brain. Couldn't process at thespeed I wanted to. I was like,
(06:15):
What is going on? And so I feelas though, even though I've
never had a concussion, it's adirect reflection of when the
brain is overwhelmed,physically, emotionally,
spiritually, or a combination ofall of the above. And for those
that have suffered a concussion,it is all of the above that
fatigue element really hauntedme, and I was like, I just
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cannot continue to see clientsand try and help their brain
become optimal when they keephitting this wall of fatigue.
And so I went on a journey, andI was like, come on, God, lead
me to the answer. How do we helpthe brain not be so, you know,
tired? How do we help it get outof that? I was at a conference
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in Utah in 2018 and while atthat conference, I kept putting
my hand up and saying, Well,what can you do for fatigue? And
so one of the colleagues, andthis was a bioenergetic testing
conference where we use bioenergetic modalities to try and
understand different, you know,like, you know, meridians and
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and what was happening in theenergy fields, and looking at it
from a different perspective.
And one of the colleagues at theconference said, why don't you
go to the brain conference inOrlando next week, if you're so
interested in this brain stuff?
Because that's not what thecenter of the conference is
today. I was like, okay, and I'musually not a really well
reserved person, I want to knowthe answer, like right now, and
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that's why I get kicked out ofclassrooms, mostly out of Dr
carrots, every time I'm in one.
So thanks to him for alwayskicking me out and then coming
and yelling at me after theconference that I should shut
up.
And he said, your curiosity isgoing to kill me. Ayla, you
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know, he just knows. He's like,Oh no, you're here.
So I went to the Orlandoconference, really not doing
much research. I just literallybelieved that this person was
guiding me in the rightdirection. I showed up that
conference in Orlando in 2018and everybody had a different
perspective on what the braindoes in light of an injury or
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trauma, and the and the actualtitle of the conference was how
to help the brain regenerateafter injury. And so I thought,
well, this is the right one, andit was about 500 participants.
It was a culmination of MDS,dos, DCS, neurologists, there
were people doing stem cellresearch. There were, it was
(08:49):
like a whole smorgasbord ofdifferent specialties trying to
figure out what to do for thefirst two days of that
conference. The people that gotup and said, You know what they
said? And they lectured aboutwhat they lectured all were
focusing on how to influence thebrain. Do neurofeedback,
biofeedback, do vitamins,minerals, medications, and even
(09:14):
one talked about stem cellresearch, which was very
interesting. I had not, had notknown anything about that at
that point. And I was kind oflike deflated saying that I
understand those modalities canmake a difference, but they do
not solve the problem offatigue, at least from my
understanding and from myexperience. On the third day of
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the conference, this very tall,lanky man gets up to the
microphone and he says, Youknow, I've been listening to all
you doctors for the last twodays talking about how to fix
the brain. Well, this is what Iknow. Four kids took a bat to my
head, and I suffered a traumaticbrain injury as I was closing
the gates to the church, and mylife was never the same after
that, for the next eight yearsof my life after I got out. Of a
(10:00):
hospital, from my from myinjuries, recovered from those,
I couldn't sleep for the nexteight years, I did not sleep,
and the doctors kept telling me,you just have a concussion.
It'll just take some time. Andhe said, No, my brain doesn't
work, and you guys are notgiving me any understanding of
why. I didn't know what to do.
At one point, I wanted to killsomeone and myself all at the
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same time. At some times, Iwould be joyful and miserable
all in the same context. He'slike, I am losing my mind. I had
no energy. I could no longerthink. Even though I was an
engineer by training, I couldstill calculate, but I couldn't
think. I had this overwhelmingfog. I had such a dysregulated
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mood, I could not respond tostress well at all. I was
completely an imbecile when newstressors came my way, and so I
didn't know what to do, he said.
So he said he would spend muchof his days outside, sitting at
the culverts in Arizona, wherehe was from, and he would scream
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at God how angry he was. And hesaid it was the weirdest thing
that I experienced when Iscreamed. I would hear my echo,
and for some reason, my braintook whatever that was and it
made me feel different. And hesaid, I have no idea what this
even means. And he and hestarted to think about, what is
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it that makes my brain feel thisway when I hear my echo? So he
spent more and more time innature as he continued on with
his explanation of who he wasand why he was at this
conference. And he said, I thinkthat the sounds of nature have
something to do with the brain'scapacity to relax. And he wanted
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to understand why, so he startedto feverishly study the brain,
and he started to learneverything about brain anatomy,
physiology, the electricalactivity. And he said, You know
what? I can measure the brain'selectrical activity. I'm an
electrical engineer. Iunderstand that stuff better
than anyone. And so he said, Istarted measuring the brain
activity, and then he thought,How do I tell the brain what it
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should do or is doing in realtime? How do I tell it what it's
doing, just like when you lookin a mirror and you see your own
reflection, he said, How do Itell it what it's doing through
a reflection? And so he learnedfrom his studies of brain that
the visual system uses way toomany parts of the brain, so it
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would be very difficult tomeasure data, but the acoustic
the sound is in this temporallobe. And what he also found was
that is where the autonomicnervous system lives, and that's
the regulator of autonomics.
He's like, I wonder if I can usesound. And so that's when he
developed his technology, whichwas initially called Brain
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optimization, and now it'scalled Sarah set, which means
cerebral reset. And he said, I'mgoing to give the brain as fast
as I can its actual acoustic orits actual echo from the sensors
that I place in differentlocations of the brain. So he
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used EEG technology, which wasabout well vetted, and he wrote
an algorithm to give the brain,or the ear, if you will, an
immediate echo of the outputfrom those sensors through his
proprietary algorithm. So as theyears went by, he continued to
improve the speed of processingof his actual reflection into
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the ear. So now you're literallysitting in a session listening
to your own brain in real time.
Your brain generates the Echo,which is pretty amazing. I was
like, what? However, so at thatconference, of course, I'm like,
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hurry up and finish, because Ifelt like I was the only one in
the conference room, because Ifelt as though that could be the
answer to the brains fatigue. Ispoke with Lee Gerdes after that
set, after that seminar, and hesaid, If you want to learn more,
first, you're going to have togo through the Sarah said,
process. So I flew at Arizona,where our headquarters are, went
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through the process, and itchanged my entire life within
the first minute of the firstsession, and I went to learn
more. I didn't go to figure outfatigue. I didn't even know I
had any. And so I went throughthe session, and it completely
changed everything about me. Iwas more focused. I had such an
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amazing sense of joy in myheart. I didn't even know what
to do with it. I was like, Whatjust happened to me? And I'm a
pretty happy person, but a deepsense of joy was pretty
delicious, let me tell you, asDr Carrick would say. And so I
knew at that moment. It from howclear my brain felt that this
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was the answer to fatigue, andwithin two months, we brought
the serious process back toFargo, North Dakota, seven years
ago now, six years ago, goinginto our seventh year, and I
started seeing many of myconcussion clients go through
the seroset process, and itchanged their life. It was
unbelievable, because once theywere able to have their brain
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balance and harmonize and relax,they were more like themselves.
They were like, Oh, I can thinkclearer. Oh, I can focus better.
Now, when I do my exercises, Ifeel like I'm gaining ground.
And so that's kind of where myjourney has led to with using
other modalities like Sarah setto help our brains relax,
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rebalance and hopefully reset.
And so in my practice, when Isee that extreme fatigue in a
client, or I see that they'renot progressing from the things
that I've learned and have beenable to, hopefully, in some
level, Master, in my bedsideneurologic exam, in my
assessment, I really know whenthey need to go in this
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direction before I take themalong that pathway of functional
neurology as being the main,main component,
Dr. Ayla Wolf (16:21):
amazing. Thank you for explaining kind of your
process of getting to, you know,using the device. And then, you
know, I'd love to talk about thescience behind it, but first, I
just want to go back and say mycondolences for the loss of your
brother, and I'm so sorry. Iknow that was very recent, and
yet, you know, so thank you forsetting aside time in your day
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to do this. Oh,
Dr. Ala Lysyk (16:44):
yeah, thank you.
It's okay. We appreciate that.
Dr. Ayla Wolf (16:49):
when you say that you did your first session and
your whole world changed, I justwant to say, I want to share
too. You know, when I reachedout to you to say, hey, let's do
the podcast, you said, Well, youhave to come try this before we
actually talk about it. And sothank you for letting me come
and do it as well. And you know,I think that I was trying to
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think back to like, Okay, well,now I've done three sessions.
Now I still have Ceresetelectrode gel in my hair from
this morning, which is why itlooks so fabulously styled.
Fabulous.
Dr. Ala Lysyk (17:21):
I should put some in my hair. Maybe it will look
fabulous, like yours.
Dr. Ayla Wolf (17:25):
I know it's like, I've got like, Something About
Mary hair here with this gel.
Dr. Ala Lysyk (17:29):
The best shows ever!
Dr. Ayla Wolf (17:32):
But what I what I realized it's like, I absolutely
need to take melatonin in orderto fall asleep. And since I
started Cereset I have beenlike, slowly lowering my dose
because I suddenly was waking upsuper groggy and realized, like,
feeling like I had taken toomuch melatonin. Interesting. And
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so for somebody who's had like,a lifetime of having a very hard
time falling asleep, I'm nowactually at a point where I
don't need as much melatonin tofall asleep, which is, that's,
that's like, very huge for me.
That's fabulous. Yeah, that'swhat I noticed. So for people
who have never heard of Ceresetand don't know the process,
there's, there's a couple ofsteps involved, yes? So let's
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start with step one and walk usthrough the process.
Dr. Ala Lysyk (18:18):
Absolutely. So in order for us to understand if
Cereset is the best next stepfor a client, and we do see a
lot of post concussion clientsbecause of the fatigue factor
that I went on that journey for,but we also see clients with,
you know, neurodegenerativediseases or early onset
dementia. We see Parkinson's. Wesee people with just PTSD, not
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just but PTSD, and fromdifferent grades of PTSD, from
someone who's having troublefocusing in school and feeling
unsuccessful, or someone who hastruly lost a loved one, or
perhaps have been injured ortraumatized themselves. So we
always want to understand whatis the client's main goal,
because Circe is not a medicaltechnology. It's an engineering
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technology, and it is reallycategorized in the wellness
portion of the industry. It isnot medical so we don't treat
patients. We actually don't doanything to patients other than
place sensors in specificlocations on the scalp, and then
your brain does the rest, whichis a pretty amazing thing,
because we do not influence it.
We just give it an acousticmirror, and it does the work,
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which is pretty phenomenal, inmy opinion. And so we start the
process by measuring two areasof the brain. Any of the people
on this podcast that arelistening know what I may be
speaking of. We talk about theemotional context of the brain,
how emotions affect us, right?
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We want emotions to affect us insuch a way that when there's
something happy, we're joyful,and then we go back to a resting
state, or if there's somethingtraumatic, that we respond, we
make sure we're safe, and we goback to a resting state. And I
always use the analogy with myclients that, did you know that
zebras don't get ulcers? Andthey're like, Huh? I'm like,
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zebras don't get ulcers becausethe nature of the human nervous
system is to be able to respondand then to go back to a resting
state so that you don't getsick. Well, we live in a world
of a lot of eternal sickness,whether that's mental,
emotional, spiritual, physical,or a combination of all of
those. And so we want to measuretwo regions of the brain. The
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area over the eyebrows is whatwe at the Sarah set model call
the emotional fitness. So when Italk about Sarah said, I talk
about fitness because we'retrying to optimize the brain.
We're not trying to fixanything. It's not a medical
technology. We're trying tooptimize. So we look at what
your fitness capacity is in thatarea. When we measure a baseline
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using EEG electrodes, we'relooking at, is there a
dominance? Is there a left sideddominance? Is there a right
sided dominance? So take intoaccount and you've experienced
this, close your eyes, sit in aquiet room, no one's talking to
we're going to stand right nextto put EEG sensors over the
forehead, and we're going tomeasure what your brain is doing
at that moment in time, as fastas our processor can give us
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that feedback. And so then welearn if your emotional centers
are activated while you're in aquiet space? Well, we know when
you walk out into your worldthat they're probably not going
to go back to a restingthreshold, they're probably
going to be further amped. So wewant to understand what is your
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brain's capacity to remain at aresting threshold, or is it
amped? So I believe that when wedid your baseline, I'm going to
talk a little bit about yours, Ibelieve that you had had a right
sided emotional dominance, and Isaid to you, you're probably
agitated eat, you know, peevedor irritated, and you kind of
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thought about it when we firsttalked about it, and you kind of
then said, I think it might befear. And I said that is
correct. That could be also adescriptor of having a right
sided emotional fitness that'sdominant, because fear was that
you were launching your book,that day, literally, that day.
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And so you were like, Oh mygoodness. And that makes sense,
whether that was alreadyhardwired for months on end,
knowing that you had hadnightmares, that would make
sense that that side of thebrain was already wiring a
dominant pattern, and we wantthe brain to be in a relaxed
pattern so it can respond tothings that could cause fear,
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like a saber tooth tiger notreleasing a book, even though we
can understand that there arenerves involved. But when
someone has been traumatized,injured, and it is a long
standing, or even recent thebrain still has to have that
plasticity we all talk about andthat flexibility we all talk
about to be able to address thatevent and then go back to a
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resting state to keep us awareof nuances that may occur. So
people with post concussion,people with neurodegenerative
people that have had PTSD,emotional trauma, their brains
become really hard linked tothings that have influenced it,
and that is when the brain isnow running, even when it's
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supposed to be resting. IE,fatigue, makes sense, right?
Dr. Ayla Wolf (23:36):
Yeah. And so I remember on my printout,
basically my right temporal lobehad way more activity than my
left temporal lobe, but it saidthat my emotional fitness score
was 98
Dr. Ala Lysyk (23:49):
Yeah, it was slightly to the right. So we
measure the next area, which iscalled the stress fitness area.
In the seroset model, those ofus in functional neurology or
trained in urology, wouldunderstand that the temporal
area is where our autonomics areregulated. So if we would see a
right sided dominance on ourbaseline measurement, we would
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know that you are in a very astate of flight and fight. If
you had a left sided dominanceon our on our baseline, you
would be in a freeze response.
We don't talk about freezeresponse enough. We talk about
flight and fight a lot infunctional neurology that your
heart rates up, your respiratoryrates up, you're probably in a
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flight and fight. But what wesee in the Sarah set model is we
see freeze a lot more,especially when people have been
in that state for prolongedperiods of time, because the
brain can only sustain a flightand fight response for so long,
and then it runs out of energy,and the person then experiences
a good load of fatigue, right?
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Their energy is compromised, orsleep is. Compromise their
thinking capacity. They'll saythey have brain fog. They'll
talk about their inability torespond to new stressors, and
they may physically feel it, butwe see a lot of people in the
freeze response, which is anextreme parasympathetic
response, where they'll say toyou, I can't think, I can't
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focus, I can't remember stuff, Ican't concentrate. Do I have
Alzheimer's? Like they'llthey'll get into that mode, and
then when they hear themselvesnow, they're in a flight and
fight because they're stressedout about it. And so when we
measure these two areas, duringour introductory portion of
Sarah said, to determine is thisthe next best step? We want to
look at those two areas. Becauseif emotionally, you're taxed,
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and if your autonomics aretaxed, the rest of the brain
can't operate optimally. That'swhy Sarah set uses those two
areas as the main baselineregions to determine if we
continue with the process.
Dr. Ayla Wolf (25:56):
And so whether somebody has hyperactivity or
increased activity on the rightversus the left, either one of
those imbalances still wouldsuggest that seroset is a good
fit.
Dr. Ala Lysyk (26:10):
It could be a very good fit. But we also
always base for our model how werun our seroset. You know,
technology, it's always based onwhat is the patient, what is a
client's goals? What are wetrying to accomplish? What are
we trying to change? Because ifthey are trying to, if they're
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trying to with the serosetmodel, mitigate Parkinson's,
that we can't do that, we're wedon't do that. We don't fix your
migraine headache, what we do iswe help the brain try and
restore balance and harmonythrough its own innate
intelligence, by giving it theacoustic echo mirror to do it on
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its own. And we see resolutionof migraine like no other,
because the majority of peopleare super stressed out, and
their brain is like always inthat frontal lobe, and is trying
to, you know, mitigate all ofthe world's problems, and it's
hitting the wall of fatigue, andit can't support for that period
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of time. And the cerebral flood,blood flow changes, as we all
know, oxygen perfusion changesand and they get on, they get a
migraine, and it could becyclical around their period,
because we know what hormonesdo, but we also know what stress
hormones do. So it's such atough space to be in medicine
trying to figure out what is thedang cause. So I like to reflect
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back. How are you responding tostress? What's your energy like,
how's your thinking capacity?
Yeah,
Dr. Ayla Wolf (27:44):
well, and I think this also brings up a really
good point, which is that Ithink in medicine, we've paid
way too much attention so far tothe chemical aspect of brain
function, and not enough on theelectrical aspect of brain
function. And so when we haveone part of the brain that's
firing too high and people havedifficulty focusing and
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concentrating. Well, if you justgo in and give the entire brain
the same stimulant, theneverything just gets stimulated,
and you're still not actuallycorrecting the imbalance between
the different regions of thebrain, which is also why I think
this is so cool is because inthis, you know, a we're not
actively trying to do anything.
You're mirroring the brain's owntalking to itself. But in doing
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that, it can actually start toquiet down the areas that are
too loud, and hopefully ramp upthe areas that are maybe too
quiet, bring everything backinto balance without introducing
any kind of chemical,
Dr. Ala Lysyk (28:42):
Absolutely. And our our engineers, again, this
is an engineering technology,and it is studied, and it is
continually feverishly studiedin two populations, the
military, as well as inprisoners. That's how it
initially started, and that'swhere they got their databases.
Is because those two groups,don't leave the study. That's
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what I was like. Oh, smart,
Dr. Ayla Wolf (29:06):
A captive audience!
Dr. Ala Lysyk (29:10):
Cereset has been able to make some tremendous
positive outcomes with the PTSDfactor in our military, and
specifically suicide, becausewhen they have been confronted
with such terror and trauma thatsuicide is a real thing, right?
So that's pretty darn cool. Theother part of the Sarah set
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model that I love, that ourengineers are always trying to
mitigate, is when we do seebrains that do get stuck in hard
patterns, because sometimes theystay stuck. We they have created
different montages where we canactually quiet those overactive
areas and allow us, as techcoaches of the cirrhosette
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process, to help the brain helpitself. We're not influencing
it. We're just sort of like,hey, look from this angle. And.
And so we use the sensors indifferent placements on
different other montages to helpkind of make the brain move away
from something that's been sohard wired. You think of people
with autism, ADHD, those arehard wired. Their phenotype has
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changed based on those hardwired patterns. They're
intelligent, beautiful humans,but their facial expressions
have become part of that brainwiring, and when you start to
see their brain relax, thefacial expressions are pretty
amazing. I had one today that Iwas like, holy moly, amazing.
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And yet we're not doing anythingto the brain, which, again, I
walk away going, that's amazing.
Dr. Ayla Wolf (30:47):
So with my first experience, you know, I'm laying
there, I had these electrodes onmy brain. I've got ear buds in
my ears. And you, you know, youhit play, you walk out the room.
And as I lay there in the darkwith my eyes closed, I'm
listening to these, these, likelow notes, which almost sound
like you're plucking a cellostring, and then these high
notes, which sound likesomeone's banging on a
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xylophone. And I'm sittingthere, and I started laughing,
because I'm like, I'm spying onmy own brain right now!
Dr. Ala Lysyk (31:17):
I'm gonna use that line. I'm gonna make T
shirts and be like, "spying onmy brain".
Dr. Ayla Wolf (31:22):
And then I just, I couldn't stop grinning. I
thought it was so funny. Andthen I was like, This is what my
brain sounds like. This is, thisis my left brain talking to my
right brain right now. And Idon't know, for some reason, I
maybe that's the joy you felt.
Dr. Ala Lysyk (31:36):
You're like, I'm spying on my brain.
So I thought that that waspretty funny. Yeah, very
different experiences. It's sointeresting to hear clients they
will want. One man, this is whatfunny one. He's like, um, that
was quite a magic carpet ride Iwas on. I'm like, what that
means? But he's like, No, I wason a magic carpet ride through
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my brain. I'm like, there yougo. Another lady got up out of
the chair on her first session.
She's like, I need to go for arun. And Laura and I, who
partner together, she's we'relike, okay. And so she left the
building and ran around theblock and came back. We're like,
Dr. Ayla Wolf (32:11):
Oh, wow. Like, she was like, I need to go. Now,
Dr. Ala Lysyk (32:13):
another boy swore at us the whole time. Like, not
at us, but he swore during thesession the entire time. He was
just saying shut the Oh. Andafter his second session, never
again. And I can, I can assureyou that young man's journey
changed so dramatically. He wasthis young, clumsy, just loud,
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just couldn't his brain justcouldn't like and he's just
brilliant, his expressivity, hisability to be socially
comfortable, is so cool,awesome. Yeah, who knows? Yeah,
who knows?
Dr. Ayla Wolf (32:51):
Wow. I love this idea of me like mirror therapy,
but with sound versus actual.
You know, mirrors and using thevisual system. And obviously,
people with concussions, lot oftimes, their visual system is
compromised in certain aspects,and so to be able to do a
therapy that doesn't rely onvision at all is also pretty
incredible.
Dr. Ala Lysyk (33:12):
It's a game changer for so many that have
such a visual dysregulationwhere they are, you know, beat
up by moving objects, whetherit's coming at them or away from
them, and there are justinability to take that info and
filter it when they don't needit and grab it when they do need
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it. I've seen so many with justthat nasty convergence
accommodation spasm, becausethat is just, obviously, that's
why they're having depthperception issues. When that
part of the brain relaxes and wewe measure the occipital lobe,
we look at the cerebellum, welook at the parietal and the
temporal and the frontals, likewe mirror the entire brain
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during the process of suicide,and sometimes when we see
patterns of really stuckpatterns in the cerebellum, as
well as in the central portion,the central strip of the brain,
when it relaxes, thataccommodative spasm changes
interesting, remarkably. Andpeople will remark that my eyes
are more relaxed, like I justfeel more relaxed in my visual
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system. And then we caninterject with our, you know,
divergence exercises, ordampening that otolithic
response and all that minutiathe Dr. Carrick introduced into
our brains and haunts me everysingle day that I don't know
what he's talking about. Andthen text him. He's like, Why do
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you ask me such questions? Ala!
Dr. Ayla Wolf (34:46):
well, and I was also surprised to find that the
the kind of like the treatmentis five sessions. And so five
sessions is seems so doable, youknow, to ask somebody to come in
five times. How, when, whenpeople do their five sessions,
then you kind of put them onmaybe, like a maintenance plan.
What does that look like? Yep,
Dr. Ala Lysyk (35:09):
sure. So the reason the five sessions is that
was studied and vetted when theywere measuring the changes in
the military and in theprisoners groups to understand,
how long does it take the brainto make these changes. What does
it take? And so when you thinkabout the process of Sarah set,
it's a reset. I like to use theanalogy of taking a piano that's
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been sitting in a cold roomcovered with a blanket. It's
still a piano, it has all thekeys, it's not damaged, but as
soon as you hit C, you're like,Well, that sounds terrible.
Think of that piano in analogyof someone's brain that's been
injured when, when they hear asound, it's not the beautiful
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sea that is from a fine tunedpiano. Or when they see a sight,
it's not clear and crisp like itonce was. Or when they have an
emotional event, it's not likeit once was where they could
respond and appreciate thecontext of it, they are in a
gray zone. And so when we takethat piano that's been sitting
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in that cold room, and we webring in an expert to tune and
to tune and to finally get allthe keys to sound more so like
themselves. That's the firstfive sessions of Sarah said, we
want to get it tuned and thentune up, sort of fine tune it as
they establish better, you know,if you will, networking, if they
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start to do more outside oftheir protected way of living,
and they start to explore and domore and expose themselves to
more new stressors, whateverthey're good or bad or
indifferent, then we fine tuneto help the brain continue to
make those adaptations, tocontinue to build
neuroplasticity through its ownefforts, because it's no longer
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hitting that wall of fatigue. Sotune ups can be very different
for each individual. Some peoplewe need to guard a little bit
more because they're so fragile.
Others that are a little bitmore robust. They go longer
between sessions. And sometimeswe've seen people go and we've
never seen them again, but wesee them and they're like, I'm
good. So everyone's verydifferent.
Dr. Ayla Wolf (37:20):
Got it. And then after the five sessions, you
rescan the brain, you getanother kind of report. And what
do you often see?
Dr. Ala Lysyk (37:28):
We also run different baselines depending on
what we see, if we're in theoccipital area or in the
cerebellar area, and we'reseeing a lot of disparity in the
wave bands that we're measuringin our seroset model. Then we
will run baselines in thoseareas as well. So if I see a
concussion client of mine that Iwill want my tech coaches to run
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a baseline, they'll run it inthe cerebellar area for for many
reasons, I want to see. Is theredisharmony? Is there imbalance,
like how what's the dominance inthat area? Is there a lot of
splits going on is one areadriving harder, because the as
you know, the brain isn'tsupposed to fire together. It's
supposed to have this rhythmicmovement, like two partners
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dancing. But when it fires, likeif an engine fires and the
pistons all fire at the sametime, which is what happens that
we see post concussion or postbleed or post infection, then
when those pistons are firing,energy is being wasted, and that
system can't do its brilliance.
So we do look at pre and post,and we do during the session,
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always look at live data so thatwe can understand, can we assist
the brain in getting therefaster.
Dr. Ayla Wolf (38:42):
And then I was curious, as I was laying there
listening to my own brain. Areyou, are you also listening when
you're not in the room? Or areyou looking at,
Dr. Ala Lysyk (38:53):
we can't hear, we can only see the brain waves
during during the actualsession?
Dr. Ayla Wolf (38:59):
Are you seeing those brain waves, and able to,
like, look at that and see thatover time, things are changing
between session one and sessionfive.
fascinating. I'm just sograteful
Dr. Ala Lysyk (39:10):
Absolutely we're looking at each session is the
brain making changes? If we seethat it's staying stubborn, then
we bring in different montageswhere we can quiet, support the
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journey, and Cereset, becamepart of it.
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brain to help it along,something that
Dr. Ayla Wolf (40:58):
And so I know that there are locations all
over the country now or aroundthe globe. So where can people
find you? Where can people findSarah set,
Dr. Ala Lysyk (41:07):
absolutely, you know the best way to locate
depending on where you live,just Sarah set.com, C, E, R, E,
S, E T. So it'scerebralreset.com. We are
located in Plymouth, Minnesota,so just by Minneapolis here, and
we're also in Fargo, NorthDakota, as far as my locations,
but there are many othersaround. And with the process of
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Sarah set, irregardless of whichlocation you go to, you will
have a very uniform andconsistent process, because
that's how engineers are, right?
Which, that's another part I'mvery appreciative of. So the
inter examiner, intra examinerreliability is quite high.
Dr. Ayla Wolf (41:50):
It's the McDonald's of the brain
Dr. Ala Lysyk (41:54):
is there you go.
And I want to go to McDonald'sUniversity to figure out how
they build these amazing,billion dollar industry, so
maybe you and I could go toMcDonald's U, or Chick-a-filet
U.
Dr. Ayla Wolf (42:07):
The way my brain works is, I don't like
protocols. So anytime someonesays, like, this is the thing
you have to do, every singletime, my brain just goes, no,
Dr. Ala Lysyk (42:17):
that's when you hire people to do this.
Dr. Ayla Wolf (42:21):
right? Oh my gosh. I would love to have a
Cereset in my building, and Ican just send everybody do these
five sessions and come back tome.
Dr. Ala Lysyk (42:29):
and know what absolutely we're gonna keep
chatting about that want.
Dr. Ayla Wolf (42:34):
Okay, let's do let. Awesome. Well, anything
else that I didn't ask you thatyou feel is important to share.
Dr. Ala Lysyk (42:42):
I just think it's really important that we, as you
know people who are takingsomeone's life into our own
hands. I think that we need to,I think that we need to know
that we need to seek more helpfrom multiple types of, if you
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will, specialties, because thesepeople's lives depend on it, and
I think that that's where wecontinue to learn. I think
technology will bring more andmore to our toolbox or a
toolkit, and I think that we'regoing to be able to really help
people long term with ourknowledge base, and as we grow,
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don't forget, there's more tolearn every day. And I am so
grateful to this entire networkof people that are in this
functional neurology family. Ofcourse, Dr Carrick, I can't tell
you that my life changed becausehe changed my paradigm, and so
did Lee Gerdes. That brought onCereset, and so did you know,
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many other things that we do inour practice. And so I think
that as us in the you know,right there, in the trenches
with people, we need to be theones that are collaborating and
communicating and talking to oneanother to make sure that we
deliver the highest quality, themost contemporary approach to
their recovery. That's all Iknow.
Dr. Ayla Wolf (44:06):
absolutely. I mean that there's so much we
don't know about the brain andso much we're still learning
every single day that it issometimes it feels overwhelming,
but when you have that curiosityto learn, it's a never ending
journey. So thank you so muchfor sharing about Sarah said, I
think it's such an amazingtherapy. I'm so blessed that I
got to be able to experience itwith you, and so I'm happy to
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share this with everybody else.
Dr. Ala Lysyk (44:30):
I appreciate that. Thank you so much for
having me on this show. I wishyou all the best with your book
and your podcast. I can't waitto read it. I have paged through
it already. Thank you forputting it at a font that I
could do it without my cheatersthat are on top of my head.
That's like, brilliant. And Isee that obviously, any one
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that's a patient should bereading that book, because you
laid it out literally explainingwhat most of us have learned.
Are trying to implement. I lovethat. So if you write a second
version, maybe Sarah set will bementioned in there.
Dr. Ayla Wolf (45:05):
Yes, I know I should have reached out to you a
year ago. I would have made itin there. Edition number two,
we'll have Cereset.
Dr. Ala Lysyk (45:13):
I love it. Thanks again. Dr, Ayla, I appreciate
the time that you spent with metoday.
Dr. Ayla Wolf (45:18):
Absolutely. All right, take care. Thanks, you as
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I knew at that moment from how clear my brain
felt, that this was the answerto fatigue.
Dr. Ayla Wolf (00:10):
Welcome to Life after impact the concussion
recovery Podcast. I'm Dr AylaWolf, and I will be hosting
today's episode where we helpyou navigate the often
confusing, frustrating andoverwhelming journey of
concussion and brain injuryrecovery, this podcast is your
go to resource for actionableinformation, whether you're
dealing with a recentconcussion, struggling with post
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you leading experts in the worldof brain health, functional
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strategies. So if you're feelinglost, hopeless or like no one
understands what you're goingthrough, know that you are not
alone. This podcast can be yourguide and partner in recovery,
helping you build a better lifeafter impact. Dr aylask, welcome
to the life after impactpodcast. I am so excited to have
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you on the show and to talkabout a very interesting therapy
that you do that I had neverheard of until I met you. So why
don't you start out by giving ussome background on how you got
interested in neurology. Youstarted out as a doctor of
chiropractic, and that has ledyou on probably quite a journey
to where you are now. So give ussome background on your interest
(01:38):
in neurology, and then how yougot interested in kind of post
concussion syndrome and reallyfocusing on the fatigue aspect
of the brain,
Dr. Ala Lysyk (01:47):
absolutely. So thank you for having me. Dr
Ayla, I appreciate that. And wemet at a Carrick seminar. We
were sitting in the pool afterthe seminar. We were chatting,
this was during this COVIDCraziness. And you're like, you
need a hot yoga dome. And I'mlike, I don't even know what
that is, but we were talkingabout yoga. And so I want to
give you all the credit that Ihave this large internal in my
(02:11):
house, igloo that I blow up andI do yoga in. Thanks to you, my
dear. Well, you're welcome.
People like, what are you doing?
I'm like, hot yoga.
Dr. Ayla Wolf (02:20):
Yeah. I mean, during the pandemic, I was like,
I need to do my hot yoga. And Ifound this hot yoga dome that
lets me do it at home,
Dr. Ala Lysyk (02:29):
right? Awesome.
So neurology for me was born ofreally trying to figure out how
to get out of the chiropracticpractice. I was frustrated that
I wasn't making the differencesI was hoping to make into my
patients lives, and so I went ona journey of, what am I going to
do next? And so I was like,well, maybe I'll just go sell
(02:54):
cars, because I'm pretty sure Icould, but I don't know anything
about cars, so I thought, well,maybe I should check this out a
little bit better. And so therewas a conference on whiplash,
and that was being held inChicago. So I told my husband,
who practices alongside me, thatlet's go to Chicago and go to
this whiplash seminar and seewhat we learn. Well, it was like
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winning the lottery, because DrKerik was the presenter. Had no
idea who that was, but whenthings happen to me or for me,
or, you know, to get meredirected in life, they usually
happen within the first minuteof a conversation. And so Dr
Carrick got up at thisconference and spoke, and within
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one minute, I was done, and I'mlike, I'm going to be absolutely
learning what this gentlemanright here in front of me is
saying, because he had a massiveparadigm shift within 60 seconds
of speaking to me. I forgotother people were in the room.
So shortly after that seminar,literally, the entire carrot
neurology program started inMinneapolis, and so it was
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within two weeks, we werealready registered for the
program, and both Kelly and I,my husband, went through the
Carrick Institute initialtraining series that took us a
couple years we completed thattook our board certification,
and we literally started in theWorld of brain and loved every
part of it. Loved every part ofit, you know, as you know, when
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you just get out of thatprogram, you're just trying to
figure out what what do you dowith all this information? And
so we we started low and slow.
We did purchase a CAPS unitright away so we were able to do
posturography. And we startedthere, we started to learn about
balance, and, you know, stance,and looked at gait, as you know,
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that's the most reliableindicator of, are we making
changes? And so as our practicegrew and we started to see more
and more neurologic cases, theone thing that was really
difficult for me as.
Practitioner, as a person whowanted everyone to obviously
have some positive outcome, wasthis element of fatigue, and you
have written in your new book,and I appreciate that you did
(05:10):
that on behalf of this largegroup of people that should have
probably had also versions ofthat book already written, but
you did the work. And kudos toyou. And I'm going to read all
of it from back to front and eatit up. It was this element of
fatigue. Anyone who has sufferedany type of trauma to the brain,
whether it is concussive orwhether it is, you know, an
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emotional concussion, if youwill, or a combination of both,
the element of fatigue is a realthing. Now, I just went through
a loss of a dear brother thislast week, and I can assure you
that the grief that you feelwhen you lose someone that you
just adore must feel like aconcussion, because I was in a
(05:54):
fog like no other this week. IYou do your crying, you do all
that hugging and all that stuff,but it was like it was shut off.
I was like, I am so fatigued,and I didn't do anything
physically to feel that way. Ididn't do anything other than my
brain. Couldn't process at thespeed I wanted to. I was like,
(06:15):
What is going on? And so I feelas though, even though I've
never had a concussion, it's adirect reflection of when the
brain is overwhelmed,physically, emotionally,
spiritually, or a combination ofall of the above. And for those
that have suffered a concussion,it is all of the above that
fatigue element really hauntedme, and I was like, I just
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cannot continue to see clientsand try and help their brain
become optimal when they keephitting this wall of fatigue.
And so I went on a journey, andI was like, come on, God, lead
me to the answer. How do we helpthe brain not be so, you know,
tired? How do we help it get outof that? I was at a conference
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in Utah in 2018 and while atthat conference, I kept putting
my hand up and saying, Well,what can you do for fatigue? And
so one of the colleagues, andthis was a bioenergetic testing
conference where we use bioenergetic modalities to try and
understand different, you know,like, you know, meridians and
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and what was happening in theenergy fields, and looking at it
from a different perspective.
And one of the colleagues at theconference said, why don't you
go to the brain conference inOrlando next week, if you're so
interested in this brain stuff?
Because that's not what thecenter of the conference is
today. I was like, okay, and I'musually not a really well
reserved person, I want to knowthe answer, like right now, and
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that's why I get kicked out ofclassrooms, mostly out of Dr
carrots, every time I'm in one.
So thanks to him for alwayskicking me out and then coming
and yelling at me after theconference that I should shut
up.
And he said, your curiosity isgoing to kill me. Ayla, you
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know, he just knows. He's like,Oh no, you're here.
So I went to the Orlandoconference, really not doing
much research. I just literallybelieved that this person was
guiding me in the rightdirection. I showed up that
conference in Orlando in 2018and everybody had a different
perspective on what the braindoes in light of an injury or
(08:28):
trauma, and the and the actualtitle of the conference was how
to help the brain regenerateafter injury. And so I thought,
well, this is the right one, andit was about 500 participants.
It was a culmination of MDS,dos, DCS, neurologists, there
were people doing stem cellresearch. There were, it was
(08:49):
like a whole smorgasbord ofdifferent specialties trying to
figure out what to do for thefirst two days of that
conference. The people that gotup and said, You know what they
said? And they lectured aboutwhat they lectured all were
focusing on how to influence thebrain. Do neurofeedback,
biofeedback, do vitamins,minerals, medications, and even
(09:14):
one talked about stem cellresearch, which was very
interesting. I had not, had notknown anything about that at
that point. And I was kind oflike deflated saying that I
understand those modalities canmake a difference, but they do
not solve the problem offatigue, at least from my
understanding and from myexperience. On the third day of
(09:36):
the conference, this very tall,lanky man gets up to the
microphone and he says, Youknow, I've been listening to all
you doctors for the last twodays talking about how to fix
the brain. Well, this is what Iknow. Four kids took a bat to my
head, and I suffered a traumaticbrain injury as I was closing
the gates to the church, and mylife was never the same after
that, for the next eight yearsof my life after I got out. Of a
(10:00):
hospital, from my from myinjuries, recovered from those,
I couldn't sleep for the nexteight years, I did not sleep,
and the doctors kept telling me,you just have a concussion.
It'll just take some time. Andhe said, No, my brain doesn't
work, and you guys are notgiving me any understanding of
why. I didn't know what to do.
At one point, I wanted to killsomeone and myself all at the
(10:22):
same time. At some times, Iwould be joyful and miserable
all in the same context. He'slike, I am losing my mind. I had
no energy. I could no longerthink. Even though I was an
engineer by training, I couldstill calculate, but I couldn't
think. I had this overwhelmingfog. I had such a dysregulated
(10:42):
mood, I could not respond tostress well at all. I was
completely an imbecile when newstressors came my way, and so I
didn't know what to do, he said.
So he said he would spend muchof his days outside, sitting at
the culverts in Arizona, wherehe was from, and he would scream
(11:04):
at God how angry he was. And hesaid it was the weirdest thing
that I experienced when Iscreamed. I would hear my echo,
and for some reason, my braintook whatever that was and it
made me feel different. And hesaid, I have no idea what this
even means. And he and hestarted to think about, what is
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it that makes my brain feel thisway when I hear my echo? So he
spent more and more time innature as he continued on with
his explanation of who he wasand why he was at this
conference. And he said, I thinkthat the sounds of nature have
something to do with the brain'scapacity to relax. And he wanted
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to understand why, so he startedto feverishly study the brain,
and he started to learneverything about brain anatomy,
physiology, the electricalactivity. And he said, You know
what? I can measure the brain'selectrical activity. I'm an
electrical engineer. Iunderstand that stuff better
than anyone. And so he said, Istarted measuring the brain
activity, and then he thought,How do I tell the brain what it
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should do or is doing in realtime? How do I tell it what it's
doing, just like when you lookin a mirror and you see your own
reflection, he said, How do Itell it what it's doing through
a reflection? And so he learnedfrom his studies of brain that
the visual system uses way toomany parts of the brain, so it
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would be very difficult tomeasure data, but the acoustic
the sound is in this temporallobe. And what he also found was
that is where the autonomicnervous system lives, and that's
the regulator of autonomics.
He's like, I wonder if I can usesound. And so that's when he
developed his technology, whichwas initially called Brain
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optimization, and now it'scalled Sarah set, which means
cerebral reset. And he said, I'mgoing to give the brain as fast
as I can its actual acoustic orits actual echo from the sensors
that I place in differentlocations of the brain. So he
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used EEG technology, which wasabout well vetted, and he wrote
an algorithm to give the brain,or the ear, if you will, an
immediate echo of the outputfrom those sensors through his
proprietary algorithm. So as theyears went by, he continued to
improve the speed of processingof his actual reflection into
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the ear. So now you're literallysitting in a session listening
to your own brain in real time.
Your brain generates the Echo,which is pretty amazing. I was
like, what? However, so at thatconference, of course, I'm like,
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hurry up and finish, because Ifelt like I was the only one in
the conference room, because Ifelt as though that could be the
answer to the brains fatigue. Ispoke with Lee Gerdes after that
set, after that seminar, and hesaid, If you want to learn more,
first, you're going to have togo through the Sarah said,
process. So I flew at Arizona,where our headquarters are, went
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through the process, and itchanged my entire life within
the first minute of the firstsession, and I went to learn
more. I didn't go to figure outfatigue. I didn't even know I
had any. And so I went throughthe session, and it completely
changed everything about me. Iwas more focused. I had such an
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amazing sense of joy in myheart. I didn't even know what
to do with it. I was like, Whatjust happened to me? And I'm a
pretty happy person, but a deepsense of joy was pretty
delicious, let me tell you, asDr Carrick would say. And so I
knew at that moment. It from howclear my brain felt that this
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was the answer to fatigue, andwithin two months, we brought
the serious process back toFargo, North Dakota, seven years
ago now, six years ago, goinginto our seventh year, and I
started seeing many of myconcussion clients go through
the seroset process, and itchanged their life. It was
unbelievable, because once theywere able to have their brain
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balance and harmonize and relax,they were more like themselves.
They were like, Oh, I can thinkclearer. Oh, I can focus better.
Now, when I do my exercises, Ifeel like I'm gaining ground.
And so that's kind of where myjourney has led to with using
other modalities like Sarah setto help our brains relax,
(15:52):
rebalance and hopefully reset.
And so in my practice, when Isee that extreme fatigue in a
client, or I see that they'renot progressing from the things
that I've learned and have beenable to, hopefully, in some
level, Master, in my bedsideneurologic exam, in my
assessment, I really know whenthey need to go in this
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direction before I take themalong that pathway of functional
neurology as being the main,main component,
Dr. Ayla Wolf (16:21):
amazing. Thank you for explaining kind of your
process of getting to, you know,using the device. And then, you
know, I'd love to talk about thescience behind it, but first, I
just want to go back and say mycondolences for the loss of your
brother, and I'm so sorry. Iknow that was very recent, and
yet, you know, so thank you forsetting aside time in your day
(16:43):
to do this. Oh,
Dr. Ala Lysyk (16:44):
yeah, thank you.
It's okay. We appreciate that.
Dr. Ayla Wolf (16:49):
when you say that you did your first session and
your whole world changed, I justwant to say, I want to share
too. You know, when I reachedout to you to say, hey, let's do
the podcast, you said, Well, youhave to come try this before we
actually talk about it. And sothank you for letting me come
and do it as well. And you know,I think that I was trying to
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think back to like, Okay, well,now I've done three sessions.
Now I still have Ceresetelectrode gel in my hair from
this morning, which is why itlooks so fabulously styled.
Fabulous.
Dr. Ala Lysyk (17:21):
I should put some in my hair. Maybe it will look
fabulous, like yours.
Dr. Ayla Wolf (17:25):
I know it's like, I've got like, Something About
Mary hair here with this gel.
Dr. Ala Lysyk (17:29):
The best shows ever!
Dr. Ayla Wolf (17:32):
But what I what I realized it's like, I absolutely
need to take melatonin in orderto fall asleep. And since I
started Cereset I have beenlike, slowly lowering my dose
because I suddenly was waking upsuper groggy and realized, like,
feeling like I had taken toomuch melatonin. Interesting. And
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so for somebody who's had like,a lifetime of having a very hard
time falling asleep, I'm nowactually at a point where I
don't need as much melatonin tofall asleep, which is, that's,
that's like, very huge for me.
That's fabulous. Yeah, that'swhat I noticed. So for people
who have never heard of Ceresetand don't know the process,
there's, there's a couple ofsteps involved, yes? So let's
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start with step one and walk usthrough the process.
Dr. Ala Lysyk (18:18):
Absolutely. So in order for us to understand if
Cereset is the best next stepfor a client, and we do see a
lot of post concussion clientsbecause of the fatigue factor
that I went on that journey for,but we also see clients with,
you know, neurodegenerativediseases or early onset
dementia. We see Parkinson's. Wesee people with just PTSD, not
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just but PTSD, and fromdifferent grades of PTSD, from
someone who's having troublefocusing in school and feeling
unsuccessful, or someone who hastruly lost a loved one, or
perhaps have been injured ortraumatized themselves. So we
always want to understand whatis the client's main goal,
because Circe is not a medicaltechnology. It's an engineering
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technology, and it is reallycategorized in the wellness
portion of the industry. It isnot medical so we don't treat
patients. We actually don't doanything to patients other than
place sensors in specificlocations on the scalp, and then
your brain does the rest, whichis a pretty amazing thing,
because we do not influence it.
We just give it an acousticmirror, and it does the work,
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which is pretty phenomenal, inmy opinion. And so we start the
process by measuring two areasof the brain. Any of the people
on this podcast that arelistening know what I may be
speaking of. We talk about theemotional context of the brain,
how emotions affect us, right?
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We want emotions to affect us insuch a way that when there's
something happy, we're joyful,and then we go back to a resting
state, or if there's somethingtraumatic, that we respond, we
make sure we're safe, and we goback to a resting state. And I
always use the analogy with myclients that, did you know that
zebras don't get ulcers? Andthey're like, Huh? I'm like,
(20:07):
zebras don't get ulcers becausethe nature of the human nervous
system is to be able to respondand then to go back to a resting
state so that you don't getsick. Well, we live in a world
of a lot of eternal sickness,whether that's mental,
emotional, spiritual, physical,or a combination of all of
those. And so we want to measuretwo regions of the brain. The
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area over the eyebrows is whatwe at the Sarah set model call
the emotional fitness. So when Italk about Sarah said, I talk
about fitness because we'retrying to optimize the brain.
We're not trying to fixanything. It's not a medical
technology. We're trying tooptimize. So we look at what
your fitness capacity is in thatarea. When we measure a baseline
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using EEG electrodes, we'relooking at, is there a
dominance? Is there a left sideddominance? Is there a right
sided dominance? So take intoaccount and you've experienced
this, close your eyes, sit in aquiet room, no one's talking to
we're going to stand right nextto put EEG sensors over the
forehead, and we're going tomeasure what your brain is doing
at that moment in time, as fastas our processor can give us
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that feedback. And so then welearn if your emotional centers
are activated while you're in aquiet space? Well, we know when
you walk out into your worldthat they're probably not going
to go back to a restingthreshold, they're probably
going to be further amped. So wewant to understand what is your
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brain's capacity to remain at aresting threshold, or is it
amped? So I believe that when wedid your baseline, I'm going to
talk a little bit about yours, Ibelieve that you had had a right
sided emotional dominance, and Isaid to you, you're probably
agitated eat, you know, peevedor irritated, and you kind of
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thought about it when we firsttalked about it, and you kind of
then said, I think it might befear. And I said that is
correct. That could be also adescriptor of having a right
sided emotional fitness that'sdominant, because fear was that
you were launching your book,that day, literally, that day.
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And so you were like, Oh mygoodness. And that makes sense,
whether that was alreadyhardwired for months on end,
knowing that you had hadnightmares, that would make
sense that that side of thebrain was already wiring a
dominant pattern, and we wantthe brain to be in a relaxed
pattern so it can respond tothings that could cause fear,
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like a saber tooth tiger notreleasing a book, even though we
can understand that there arenerves involved. But when
someone has been traumatized,injured, and it is a long
standing, or even recent thebrain still has to have that
plasticity we all talk about andthat flexibility we all talk
about to be able to address thatevent and then go back to a
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resting state to keep us awareof nuances that may occur. So
people with post concussion,people with neurodegenerative
people that have had PTSD,emotional trauma, their brains
become really hard linked tothings that have influenced it,
and that is when the brain isnow running, even when it's
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supposed to be resting. IE,fatigue, makes sense, right?
Dr. Ayla Wolf (23:36):
Yeah. And so I remember on my printout,
basically my right temporal lobehad way more activity than my
left temporal lobe, but it saidthat my emotional fitness score
was 98
Dr. Ala Lysyk (23:49):
Yeah, it was slightly to the right. So we
measure the next area, which iscalled the stress fitness area.
In the seroset model, those ofus in functional neurology or
trained in urology, wouldunderstand that the temporal
area is where our autonomics areregulated. So if we would see a
right sided dominance on ourbaseline measurement, we would
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know that you are in a very astate of flight and fight. If
you had a left sided dominanceon our on our baseline, you
would be in a freeze response.
We don't talk about freezeresponse enough. We talk about
flight and fight a lot infunctional neurology that your
heart rates up, your respiratoryrates up, you're probably in a
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flight and fight. But what wesee in the Sarah set model is we
see freeze a lot more,especially when people have been
in that state for prolongedperiods of time, because the
brain can only sustain a flightand fight response for so long,
and then it runs out of energy,and the person then experiences
a good load of fatigue, right?
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Their energy is compromised, orsleep is. Compromise their
thinking capacity. They'll saythey have brain fog. They'll
talk about their inability torespond to new stressors, and
they may physically feel it, butwe see a lot of people in the
freeze response, which is anextreme parasympathetic
response, where they'll say toyou, I can't think, I can't
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focus, I can't remember stuff, Ican't concentrate. Do I have
Alzheimer's? Like they'llthey'll get into that mode, and
then when they hear themselvesnow, they're in a flight and
fight because they're stressedout about it. And so when we
measure these two areas, duringour introductory portion of
Sarah said, to determine is thisthe next best step? We want to
look at those two areas. Becauseif emotionally, you're taxed,
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and if your autonomics aretaxed, the rest of the brain
can't operate optimally. That'swhy Sarah set uses those two
areas as the main baselineregions to determine if we
continue with the process.
Dr. Ayla Wolf (25:56):
And so whether somebody has hyperactivity or
increased activity on the rightversus the left, either one of
those imbalances still wouldsuggest that seroset is a good
fit.
Dr. Ala Lysyk (26:10):
It could be a very good fit. But we also
always base for our model how werun our seroset. You know,
technology, it's always based onwhat is the patient, what is a
client's goals? What are wetrying to accomplish? What are
we trying to change? Because ifthey are trying to, if they're
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trying to with the serosetmodel, mitigate Parkinson's,
that we can't do that, we're wedon't do that. We don't fix your
migraine headache, what we do iswe help the brain try and
restore balance and harmonythrough its own innate
intelligence, by giving it theacoustic echo mirror to do it on
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its own. And we see resolutionof migraine like no other,
because the majority of peopleare super stressed out, and
their brain is like always inthat frontal lobe, and is trying
to, you know, mitigate all ofthe world's problems, and it's
hitting the wall of fatigue, andit can't support for that period
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of time. And the cerebral flood,blood flow changes, as we all
know, oxygen perfusion changesand and they get on, they get a
migraine, and it could becyclical around their period,
because we know what hormonesdo, but we also know what stress
hormones do. So it's such atough space to be in medicine
trying to figure out what is thedang cause. So I like to reflect
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back. How are you responding tostress? What's your energy like,
how's your thinking capacity?
Yeah,
Dr. Ayla Wolf (27:44):
well, and I think this also brings up a really
good point, which is that Ithink in medicine, we've paid
way too much attention so far tothe chemical aspect of brain
function, and not enough on theelectrical aspect of brain
function. And so when we haveone part of the brain that's
firing too high and people havedifficulty focusing and
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concentrating. Well, if you justgo in and give the entire brain
the same stimulant, theneverything just gets stimulated,
and you're still not actuallycorrecting the imbalance between
the different regions of thebrain, which is also why I think
this is so cool is because inthis, you know, a we're not
actively trying to do anything.
You're mirroring the brain's owntalking to itself. But in doing
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that, it can actually start toquiet down the areas that are
too loud, and hopefully ramp upthe areas that are maybe too
quiet, bring everything backinto balance without introducing
any kind of chemical,
Dr. Ala Lysyk (28:42):
Absolutely. And our our engineers, again, this
is an engineering technology,and it is studied, and it is
continually feverishly studiedin two populations, the
military, as well as inprisoners. That's how it
initially started, and that'swhere they got their databases.
Is because those two groups,don't leave the study. That's
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what I was like. Oh, smart,
Dr. Ayla Wolf (29:06):
A captive audience!
Dr. Ala Lysyk (29:10):
Cereset has been able to make some tremendous
positive outcomes with the PTSDfactor in our military, and
specifically suicide, becausewhen they have been confronted
with such terror and trauma thatsuicide is a real thing, right?
So that's pretty darn cool. Theother part of the Sarah set
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model that I love, that ourengineers are always trying to
mitigate, is when we do seebrains that do get stuck in hard
patterns, because sometimes theystay stuck. We they have created
different montages where we canactually quiet those overactive
areas and allow us, as techcoaches of the cirrhosette
(29:52):
process, to help the brain helpitself. We're not influencing
it. We're just sort of like,hey, look from this angle. And.
And so we use the sensors indifferent placements on
different other montages to helpkind of make the brain move away
from something that's been sohard wired. You think of people
with autism, ADHD, those arehard wired. Their phenotype has
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changed based on those hardwired patterns. They're
intelligent, beautiful humans,but their facial expressions
have become part of that brainwiring, and when you start to
see their brain relax, thefacial expressions are pretty
amazing. I had one today that Iwas like, holy moly, amazing.
(30:39):
And yet we're not doing anythingto the brain, which, again, I
walk away going, that's amazing.
Dr. Ayla Wolf (30:47):
So with my first experience, you know, I'm laying
there, I had these electrodes onmy brain. I've got ear buds in
my ears. And you, you know, youhit play, you walk out the room.
And as I lay there in the darkwith my eyes closed, I'm
listening to these, these, likelow notes, which almost sound
like you're plucking a cellostring, and then these high
notes, which sound likesomeone's banging on a
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xylophone. And I'm sittingthere, and I started laughing,
because I'm like, I'm spying onmy own brain right now!
Dr. Ala Lysyk (31:17):
I'm gonna use that line. I'm gonna make T
shirts and be like, "spying onmy brain".
Dr. Ayla Wolf (31:22):
And then I just, I couldn't stop grinning. I
thought it was so funny. Andthen I was like, This is what my
brain sounds like. This is, thisis my left brain talking to my
right brain right now. And Idon't know, for some reason, I
maybe that's the joy you felt.
Dr. Ala Lysyk (31:36):
You're like, I'm spying on my brain.
So I thought that that waspretty funny. Yeah, very
different experiences. It's sointeresting to hear clients they
will want. One man, this is whatfunny one. He's like, um, that
was quite a magic carpet ride Iwas on. I'm like, what that
means? But he's like, No, I wason a magic carpet ride through
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my brain. I'm like, there yougo. Another lady got up out of
the chair on her first session.
She's like, I need to go for arun. And Laura and I, who
partner together, she's we'relike, okay. And so she left the
building and ran around theblock and came back. We're like,
Dr. Ayla Wolf (32:11):
Oh, wow. Like, she was like, I need to go. Now,
Dr. Ala Lysyk (32:13):
another boy swore at us the whole time. Like, not
at us, but he swore during thesession the entire time. He was
just saying shut the Oh. Andafter his second session, never
again. And I can, I can assureyou that young man's journey
changed so dramatically. He wasthis young, clumsy, just loud,
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just couldn't his brain justcouldn't like and he's just
brilliant, his expressivity, hisability to be socially
comfortable, is so cool,awesome. Yeah, who knows? Yeah,
who knows?
Dr. Ayla Wolf (32:51):
Wow. I love this idea of me like mirror therapy,
but with sound versus actual.
You know, mirrors and using thevisual system. And obviously,
people with concussions, lot oftimes, their visual system is
compromised in certain aspects,and so to be able to do a
therapy that doesn't rely onvision at all is also pretty
incredible.
Dr. Ala Lysyk (33:12):
It's a game changer for so many that have
such a visual dysregulationwhere they are, you know, beat
up by moving objects, whetherit's coming at them or away from
them, and there are justinability to take that info and
filter it when they don't needit and grab it when they do need
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it. I've seen so many with justthat nasty convergence
accommodation spasm, becausethat is just, obviously, that's
why they're having depthperception issues. When that
part of the brain relaxes and wewe measure the occipital lobe,
we look at the cerebellum, welook at the parietal and the
temporal and the frontals, likewe mirror the entire brain
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during the process of suicide,and sometimes when we see
patterns of really stuckpatterns in the cerebellum, as
well as in the central portion,the central strip of the brain,
when it relaxes, thataccommodative spasm changes
interesting, remarkably. Andpeople will remark that my eyes
are more relaxed, like I justfeel more relaxed in my visual
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system. And then we caninterject with our, you know,
divergence exercises, ordampening that otolithic
response and all that minutiathe Dr. Carrick introduced into
our brains and haunts me everysingle day that I don't know
what he's talking about. Andthen text him. He's like, Why do
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you ask me such questions? Ala!
Dr. Ayla Wolf (34:46):
well, and I was also surprised to find that the
the kind of like the treatmentis five sessions. And so five
sessions is seems so doable, youknow, to ask somebody to come in
five times. How, when, whenpeople do their five sessions,
then you kind of put them onmaybe, like a maintenance plan.
What does that look like? Yep,
Dr. Ala Lysyk (35:09):
sure. So the reason the five sessions is that
was studied and vetted when theywere measuring the changes in
the military and in theprisoners groups to understand,
how long does it take the brainto make these changes. What does
it take? And so when you thinkabout the process of Sarah set,
it's a reset. I like to use theanalogy of taking a piano that's
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been sitting in a cold roomcovered with a blanket. It's
still a piano, it has all thekeys, it's not damaged, but as
soon as you hit C, you're like,Well, that sounds terrible.
Think of that piano in analogyof someone's brain that's been
injured when, when they hear asound, it's not the beautiful
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sea that is from a fine tunedpiano. Or when they see a sight,
it's not clear and crisp like itonce was. Or when they have an
emotional event, it's not likeit once was where they could
respond and appreciate thecontext of it, they are in a
gray zone. And so when we takethat piano that's been sitting
(36:14):
in that cold room, and we webring in an expert to tune and
to tune and to finally get allthe keys to sound more so like
themselves. That's the firstfive sessions of Sarah said, we
want to get it tuned and thentune up, sort of fine tune it as
they establish better, you know,if you will, networking, if they
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start to do more outside oftheir protected way of living,
and they start to explore and domore and expose themselves to
more new stressors, whateverthey're good or bad or
indifferent, then we fine tuneto help the brain continue to
make those adaptations, tocontinue to build
neuroplasticity through its ownefforts, because it's no longer
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hitting that wall of fatigue. Sotune ups can be very different
for each individual. Some peoplewe need to guard a little bit
more because they're so fragile.
Others that are a little bitmore robust. They go longer
between sessions. And sometimeswe've seen people go and we've
never seen them again, but wesee them and they're like, I'm
good. So everyone's verydifferent.
Dr. Ayla Wolf (37:20):
Got it. And then after the five sessions, you
rescan the brain, you getanother kind of report. And what
do you often see?
Dr. Ala Lysyk (37:28):
We also run different baselines depending on
what we see, if we're in theoccipital area or in the
cerebellar area, and we'reseeing a lot of disparity in the
wave bands that we're measuringin our seroset model. Then we
will run baselines in thoseareas as well. So if I see a
concussion client of mine that Iwill want my tech coaches to run
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a baseline, they'll run it inthe cerebellar area for for many
reasons, I want to see. Is theredisharmony? Is there imbalance,
like how what's the dominance inthat area? Is there a lot of
splits going on is one areadriving harder, because the as
you know, the brain isn'tsupposed to fire together. It's
supposed to have this rhythmicmovement, like two partners
(38:11):
dancing. But when it fires, likeif an engine fires and the
pistons all fire at the sametime, which is what happens that
we see post concussion or postbleed or post infection, then
when those pistons are firing,energy is being wasted, and that
system can't do its brilliance.
So we do look at pre and post,and we do during the session,
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always look at live data so thatwe can understand, can we assist
the brain in getting therefaster.
Dr. Ayla Wolf (38:42):
And then I was curious, as I was laying there
listening to my own brain. Areyou, are you also listening when
you're not in the room? Or areyou looking at,
Dr. Ala Lysyk (38:53):
we can't hear, we can only see the brain waves
during during the actualsession?
Dr. Ayla Wolf (38:59):
Are you seeing those brain waves, and able to,
like, look at that and see thatover time, things are changing
between session one and sessionfive.
fascinating. I'm just sograteful
Dr. Ala Lysyk (39:10):
Absolutely we're looking at each session is the
brain making changes? If we seethat it's staying stubborn, then
we bring in different montageswhere we can quiet, support the
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journey, and Cereset, becamepart of it.
(40:23):
brain to help it along,something that
Dr. Ayla Wolf (40:58):
And so I know that there are locations all
over the country now or aroundthe globe. So where can people
find you? Where can people findSarah set,
Dr. Ala Lysyk (41:07):
absolutely, you know the best way to locate
depending on where you live,just Sarah set.com, C, E, R, E,
S, E T. So it'scerebralreset.com. We are
located in Plymouth, Minnesota,so just by Minneapolis here, and
we're also in Fargo, NorthDakota, as far as my locations,
but there are many othersaround. And with the process of
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Sarah set, irregardless of whichlocation you go to, you will
have a very uniform andconsistent process, because
that's how engineers are, right?
Which, that's another part I'mvery appreciative of. So the
inter examiner, intra examinerreliability is quite high.
Dr. Ayla Wolf (41:50):
It's the McDonald's of the brain
Dr. Ala Lysyk (41:54):
is there you go.
And I want to go to McDonald'sUniversity to figure out how
they build these amazing,billion dollar industry, so
maybe you and I could go toMcDonald's U, or Chick-a-filet
U.
Dr. Ayla Wolf (42:07):
The way my brain works is, I don't like
protocols. So anytime someonesays, like, this is the thing
you have to do, every singletime, my brain just goes, no,
Dr. Ala Lysyk (42:17):
that's when you hire people to do this.
Dr. Ayla Wolf (42:21):
right? Oh my gosh. I would love to have a
Cereset in my building, and Ican just send everybody do these
five sessions and come back tome.
Dr. Ala Lysyk (42:29):
and know what absolutely we're gonna keep
chatting about that want.
Dr. Ayla Wolf (42:34):
Okay, let's do let. Awesome. Well, anything
else that I didn't ask you thatyou feel is important to share.
Dr. Ala Lysyk (42:42):
I just think it's really important that we, as you
know people who are takingsomeone's life into our own
hands. I think that we need to,I think that we need to know
that we need to seek more helpfrom multiple types of, if you
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will, specialties, because thesepeople's lives depend on it, and
I think that that's where wecontinue to learn. I think
technology will bring more andmore to our toolbox or a
toolkit, and I think that we'regoing to be able to really help
people long term with ourknowledge base, and as we grow,
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don't forget, there's more tolearn every day. And I am so
grateful to this entire networkof people that are in this
functional neurology family. Ofcourse, Dr Carrick, I can't tell
you that my life changed becausehe changed my paradigm, and so
did Lee Gerdes. That brought onCereset, and so did you know,
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many other things that we do inour practice. And so I think
that as us in the you know,right there, in the trenches
with people, we need to be theones that are collaborating and
communicating and talking to oneanother to make sure that we
deliver the highest quality, themost contemporary approach to
their recovery. That's all Iknow.
Dr. Ayla Wolf (44:06):
absolutely. I mean that there's so much we
don't know about the brain andso much we're still learning
every single day that it issometimes it feels overwhelming,
but when you have that curiosityto learn, it's a never ending
journey. So thank you so muchfor sharing about Sarah said, I
think it's such an amazingtherapy. I'm so blessed that I
got to be able to experience itwith you, and so I'm happy to
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share this with everybody else.
Dr. Ala Lysyk (44:30):
I appreciate that. Thank you so much for
having me on this show. I wishyou all the best with your book
and your podcast. I can't waitto read it. I have paged through
it already. Thank you forputting it at a font that I
could do it without my cheatersthat are on top of my head.
That's like, brilliant. And Isee that obviously, any one
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that's a patient should bereading that book, because you
laid it out literally explainingwhat most of us have learned.
Are trying to implement. I lovethat. So if you write a second
version, maybe Sarah set will bementioned in there.
Dr. Ayla Wolf (45:05):
Yes, I know I should have reached out to you a
year ago. I would have made itin there. Edition number two,
we'll have Cereset.
Dr. Ala Lysyk (45:13):
I love it. Thanks again. Dr, Ayla, I appreciate
the time that you spent with metoday.
Dr. Ayla Wolf (45:18):
Absolutely. All right, take care. Thanks, you as
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