March 30, 2025 • 24 mins
In this episode, we sit down with Dr. Sabrina Campbell, a GP with a passion for aesthetic medicine, a field that brought her from the UK to Australia, one of the world’s biggest markets for cosmetic procedures.
She breaks down the science behind ageing, the medical side of cosmetic treatments, and why it’s about more than just looks, it’s about understanding the ageing process and maintaining healthy skin. From skincare routines to anti-ageing treatments, Dr. Sabrina shares expert insights on how to age gracefully and confidently.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Every day brings a new story. The life isn't perfect,
but it's perfectly ours with raw conversations, inspiring stories and
laugh until you cry moments we hit them. I unpack
it all and figure it out together, one episode at
a time. This is life as we know it, Unfiltered
with Tony Tanalia and Lisa Cameron.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
We'd like to start off my saying a very big
welcome to general Practitioner doctor Serena Campbell.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
So we with our guests, we always give them a
little gift, and we have a little gift for you
that we would like you to open up now.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Come every now.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Yeah, yeah, probably best to rip with a stick you takes.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yeah, I see, yeah, I'm going to open the gifts.
I have a mug.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah, this is so cute.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
It's a limited edition mug because that was when we
were three of us. Usually usually say three some and
everyone looks at me, and there was three of us.
So it's a limited edition mug.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
I love this.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Until we get the new ones done. We've only got
one each, Folica and at this stage.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
So the very nice thank you, so much welcome you.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Were coming on and being a guest. You and I
we go back a few years. We established first stuff
that you are a general Pratish practitioner.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yes, yes, summer GP.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
And the accents are diad giveaway that you're not from Australia.
It is you can tell she's a London that's it.
How long you have been astraight for coming up.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
To eight years now? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's interesting. When
I talk to friends and family in the UK, they
think I have a slight busy twang, and when I'm
here everyone thinks, oh, you've got a pomb accent. So yeah,
a little bit both.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
We lived in Ireland for five years and so had
that happen when we came back everyone thought we had
these Irish Irish accents. Yeah I didn't have any, but yeah,
a little bit refusion that that's who you're talking to.
So this is the main reason we want David chat
to you. I mean, you know, you're a general practitioner
and we could talk medical stuff, but that's not what
we want to talk to you about, because you've got
this other life I do do, so fill us in
(02:09):
on what else you do besides being a JP.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Yeah, so I started to explore the world of esthetic medicine.
So cosmetic medicine about nine or ten years ago. So
I started in the UK. But essentially that's one of
the things that drew me to Australia to explore cosmetic
medicine further because one, it's a massive industry here. It
is massive, and.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Then it all help with me.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Yeah, and people are willing to spend money. They really are,
you know, the GDP here in Australia is fantastic. But
Australians care about how they look and so there's a
massive market for it. So not just women, in men
as well and in all demographics. So that is my
second life in doing cosmetic medicine. So I did my
(02:53):
Masters in aesthetic Medicine. I completed that in twenty eighteen
and so I really delved deeper into that, just really
wanting to craft that and do a lot more and
really help in that space. So yeah, I've loved it.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Why do you think Australians more than happy to you know,
put the hands in the pockets and like the cash
to get cosmetics.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
That's a good question. I wouldn't say Australians are vain
and it would depend on whereabout some Australia are so
the esthetic demographic is very different, you know in Queensland,
in New South Wales and Victoria. But I found in
Victoria individuals tend to be a little bit more demure,
so people may not be as upfront about the cosmetic
f Everyone is getting it done, but it's a very
(03:34):
kind of more underground thing. I would say underground people
are open if you if they talk about botox, they
will talk about it. But essentially, you know, they care
about what they look like, and people are a little
bit more open about anti aging and feeling good. So
that's why I think a lot more people are just
engaging in it now.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
But why do people hide it?
Speaker 3 (03:54):
It's embarrassment more than anything else. Some people don't want
to feel embarrassed that they care about how they look.
You know, nobody wants to be looked at vein and
so you know, oh you care about lines and wrinkles,
or you care about jowls, and you care about your skin,
and there's nothing wrong with caring about how you look.
So I think we're now in a state in society
(04:14):
where it's okay to care about oneself. It's not just
about okay you want to be professional. You want to
work hard, that's absolutely fine, but you can look good
and feel good at the same time. So a lot
of people aren't doing it because they care about what
other people think of them. It's because of how they
think about themselves.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
This is the thing, because the whole big push is
you know, feeling good about yourself and treating yourself and
looking you know, taking care of yourself. Yep. You know,
if part of what makes you feel good about yourself
is getting botox or getting fillers or getting your lips done,
people frown upon that they do.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
There's a little bit judgment. So if you were to
ask the average Joe, you know, what type of people
get cosmetic procedures, they'll have kind of two visuals in mind.
One maybe the young person with massive lips and massive
cheek bones and frozen forehaird and then the other may be,
you know, somebody in the older generation who is just
trying to clutch onto the last threads of youth and
(05:09):
what about everything in between you. So there's no harm
in in just taking care of oneself. And it doesn't
have to be you know, just massive augmentation. It's just
maintenance more than things. So people go to the gym.
They look after their bodies, they look after their cars,
they look after their pets. You know, there's no reason
why you can't look after yourself.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Absolutely. It is what we present to the world every day,
and it's an important part of self care. I think
there's this crown in kind of working hard and working
yourself to the bone and being backing and you gave
up everything for your family, for your career, but it's
okay to put yourself first as well and say I
actually do care, that I have self care, and that
can look many different ways to different people. And I think,
(05:47):
you know, just looking and polishing the surface, it's absolutely
fine to do that as well.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, well, someone's just that's what happened in the lights flash.
Oh right, okay, presence with us now. It's interesting that
you say that because so for a very long time,
and Lisa and I have had this conversation. When I
was like in my forties, I was very much I
(06:11):
don't say anti cosmetic procedures, but I was very much like,
oh no, I'm just going to grow old gracefully, and
you know, I don't need to have botox and that
sort of stuff, and look back in my forties and go, no,
you didn't need it then, But I'm now fifty seven
and my face is saying otherwise. And the reason I
bring up that you and I have known each other
for a few years is because I actually have been
(06:32):
coming to you to get procedures done. And it's funny
because when I was first getting it done, I wasn't
open about talking about it, and I suppose part of
it was because I was thinking, what are people going
to say? Yes? Also because for so long I've had
no money. I was a single mum with three kids,
(06:53):
and I was scraping to make ends meet, and then
got into a position where I had a bit of money,
about to quit my job or anything like that, but
you know, like I'm budgeting for it. So my other
thing was people going to turn around and go, oh, yeah,
now you've got the money. Now you're doing something to
your face something. First of all, none of your business
exactly right, and you don't know where my money's come from.
I have saved and saved and saved because I got
(07:15):
to the point where I was sick of looking like
one of those Sharpei dogs, Like that's what I felt like,
what is a Have you seen the dogs with all
the the like the wrinkles and like those roly poly
sort of dogs, but all they are wrinkles and layers
and lasers. That was me. That's how That's how I felt,
(07:38):
you know, especially around the jowls. Like for me, that
has always been my big problem. And like even with
my kids. I mean, my youngest is nineteen and you
know Liam and Liam, Yeah, because you actually treat Liam
for his skin. Yeah, yeah, he's not getting boat dogs
or anything like that this stage, but like Liam's conscious.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Of that as well.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
He's nineteen. Yeah, yeah, you know, so that is in
our family and that is something that we have to
live with to a certain degree. Absolutely, until I came
to you and we started out with fillers.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Yeah, and we start sort of gradually. We didn't jump
into the deep end. You know, we had that chat.
We kind of discussed the things that could be dealt
with and kind of how to do it. You know,
you don't have to go gung ho and do everything
in one go. That's right, and it's just understanding, you know.
And really when I start talking about cosmetic treatments, it's
understanding aging. So really I don't really like the terminology
(08:29):
you know, cosmetics, even esthetics, because it makes it a
little bit more superficial. I focus on anti aging because
aging is everybody ages. It's a pathophysiological process. So you know,
some of us kind of go down the path when
it's rather advanced and it's excelling a little bit quicker
than we'd like. But really, when we understand the actual
(08:49):
anatomy and the physiology of aging, then we're trying to
slow that down or just kind of work within what
we can with it. So yeah, I look at it
more medical than superficial. Yeah, it's very different than getting
you nails done and getting highlights in your hair.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
You know.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
I really want to try and focus on good skin
health and generally people should take care of themselves as well,
and they come hand in hand.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
So yeah, this is one of the reasons I came
to you as well. And you were recommended to me
through a friend of mine because you're a doctor. Yes,
so in my mind I've gone, you know what you're doing.
And I'm not saying someone who's not a doctor doesn't
know what they're doing, but you you deal further than
just the cosmetic side, Like you know where the nerves are,
you know where the muscles are? You know, you know
what I mean. So for me, I felt comfortable coming
(09:31):
to you to start having the procedures. But what's happened
with us over time as well is the other thing
that you've started doing for me is the micro needling.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Yes, which I love, is a fantastic procedure.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Is fantastic tri what that's done for me as well. Look,
I don't need the fillers as often as I did before.
Like it was almost I felt like almost every time
I came to see you, it was like put a filler,
put a piller in this.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
So what are fellers?
Speaker 3 (09:57):
So when we talk about deml phillis, these are high
ononic acid products, So they are there to mimic the
natural hyaluonic acid that we have in the body. And
they come in different densities or g primes, So some
for those very thick, some for those very thin. And
we determine what filler goes in which area of the
face to try and create augmentation. So if we want
to kind of lift our cheekbones and define our cheeks,
(10:18):
we would use a certain type of filler. If we
want to kind of project and get a better profile
of the nose or the chune or the drawer line.
There's a certain type of product that we use for
that and what we use for lip augmentation. We do
that so often if we think about the aging face,
you know, things start to deflate. That's essentially what happens,
and gravity starts to take its toll, and so what
we want to do is try and buff that out.
(10:39):
So often, if we're trying to kind of smooth the
lines of expression on the upper part of the face,
we'll use botox injections, and that kind of stops us
constantly increasing and exercising those muscles, leaving lines behind on
the skin. We do that and a lot of it exactly,
and then naturally, you know, as we get older, things
start to deflate. So if we think back to like say,
(10:59):
our parents, you know, they weren't really engaging in these
type of procedures, and you may characteristically say, oh, I
remember my mom or my gran having kind of like
you know, jowls and kind of all these fine lines
around the lips and cheeks were down here, and all
these lines across the eyes. You know, they do build
character to the face, but this is just a part
of aging, and so for a lot of people they
don't like it. Some people engage in it, and that's
(11:20):
absolutely fine. They say that this is just who I am,
this is how I'm aging. But there's no reason why
we can't just buff those small things. You say, Look,
I would like to smooth these lines. I like to
have better skin. This is being a bit deflated. I
love to kind of smooth that out. These are the
small tweaks that we're doing. But it's a very fine line.
Some people do have some features of body dysmorphia where
they're trying to achieve something that's not really realistic. So,
(11:41):
you know, really the first part is its acceptance. You
have to accept like who you are and you're happy
with who you are. Otherwise it's a very slippery slope
of kind of chasing something that isn't you know. If
I have a forty five year old who says they
want to look like Kylie Jenner, it's like, Kevin, thanks
for I don't know if we can do that, And
so I really just try and make the best version
of everybody. You know, you just want to be the
(12:02):
best person you can be and feel good. Yeah, and
do it in a healthy way.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yeah, when you're talking about skin maintenance and keeping the
skin healthy. The one thing that you did with me
to start with was profilo. Now I only had to
have that one that one session, whereas I've got a
couple of friends who've had it in the last few
years a few times. Yes, So what would be the
difference because I'm older than my friends, what would be
the difference there? Why would I have only needed one
(12:28):
session and they would continually? Good question? Need to have
it done?
Speaker 3 (12:31):
It depends. So often if somebody goes to practitioner and
they're just kind of like very focused on just one modality,
then you know, that way you're not maximizing all the
different treatment options. Whereas if you're focusing on one part,
you say, look, this really helps with skin hydration and
skin quality. But guess what if we add in micro
needling and we do the botox and you kind of
(12:52):
stage out your treatments that way, then it's really just
maintenance than anything else. And so nothing is permanent. This
is the thing. Most of these procedures are semi permanent.
So the aim is to slow down aging and just
kind of keep us, you know, in a good state.
Of maintenance. So for example, any of your friends, they
may have just kind of gone down the profiler route.
That's only the thing that they did, because they didn't
(13:13):
address the other areas or use other different modalities of treatment.
Then they're just stuck. They're not really exploring the full
possibilities of what they can do to improve everything with
their skin quality, lines and things like that.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
So then tee, how often do you get fellas?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
And well, the fellers, I'm not having as many as
I used to. When when I first started, I felt
like because I was seeing you every two months, and
then we had one stretch where we go we went, okay,
let's stretch it out to three or four, and I
noticed straight away I've gotten that I can't do it
that long. So I go to see Sabrina every two months,
and mainly for the botox. Yep, because I left it
(13:50):
late in life to get the botox done. Because from
what I've heard, like the younger you started, the longer
you can push it out between treatments.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
It's a very fine line actually, So we're seeing a
lot of young people starting botox as preventative treatments a
lot early early on, So you know, maybe mid twenties, say,
and you may see that if you look at some
of the younger cohorts, so kind of just one generation
before millennials, I guess now they sometimes look a little
(14:20):
bit older because they've gone too much too quickly. So
if we think about there are some treatments that are
ideal for a certain stage in life. So if you're
in your mid thirties, forties, fifties, there are treatments that
are designed for that age group. If you're twenty five
doing those treatments, then those treatments weren't designed for that
age group. Have some older Yeah, it does exactly. So
(14:40):
if we have saved, example, a little bit of volume loss, yes,
you know, a forty year old phase can tolerate one
or two meals of filler in the cheeks. But if
you have a young person who really has a full
phase and nice cheeks and you put the same amount in,
it distorts their natural features and that makes them look
quite unusual. So that's why you may find that these
younger generations actually older. It's because they're doing treatments that
(15:01):
get in the.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Face of a twenty year old or twenty five year
old men.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
They don't know they have it good.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
Some sort of dysmorphia or something, isn't it. And I
feel like social media has had a big impact on it.
Do you think that as well?
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Massively and filters haven't helped. So, I mean, if you
look back at if you look at some of the
celebrities of like the seventies, eighties, nineties, they look fantastic.
If you look at the supermodels of the nineties, outside
of the you know, the very thin frames, you know,
people looked good and if they didn't kind of indulge
excessively in botox and filler, but it's because they took
care of themselves and they allowed themselves to age appropriately
(15:36):
for their twenties in their thirties, and unfortunately, young people
aren't allowing themselves that, you know, whether it's fearful of
aging or it's the trend of like, yes, guess what
if you want to be beautified and you're looking at
all these people who are on you know, social media
or they're on these reality TV shows, I think that's
the esthetic ideal, that's the ideal of beauty, and I
(15:56):
guess that's what's kind of skewed, what the ideal of beauty.
Years We're not just looking at celebrities, you know, you're
looking at the social media influencer kind of in your
city that you want to look like, and she has
these cheekbones and massive lips, you know, and that's what
people are aspiring to. So it is some form of dysmorphia.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah, and so how is that going to affect them
later in life?
Speaker 3 (16:16):
I mean time will tell, you know, we don't really
know what the effects are. If someone has been doing
filler for thirty years and they started in their mid twenties,
what type of impact that's having. Yeah, I think from
me being from the medical background, you know, although these
procedures are reversible, then on permanent. My goal is to
kind of walk side by side with natural aging. So
(16:38):
I'm not there to try and reverse. I'm not there
to try and kind of be Houdinian make magic. Yeah,
I'm there to just make sure that you know, you
take care of yourself and we just kind of age well,
you know, that's the best thing. So that's important. I
would say a lot of practitioners they're sometimes just chasing
the trend and they're just like, yep, I you know,
I'm the expert at doing lips and I'm the expert
(16:59):
and kind of making cheekbones, and it's like that will
catch up with you at some point because you're cheasing
the wrong thing, You're not focusing on the right things.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm really curious about, you know, how
we use our brain, how we use our mind to
actually create our physical bodies. And I think of people
who are doing all this work on their faces, and
it's like it's like seeing a whole new species of
the human race. And I think to myself, growing up,
you know, we see people with wrinkles and everything like that.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
That was really normal.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
So as a child, I accepted that when I get
to this age, this is what will happen. And for me,
I believe that. Then you set the unconscious program in
your mind. All these little kids growing up are seeing
these flawless faces, so they're looking at flawlesses. Are they
going to program their unconscious mind that says when they
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get to sixty or seventy, they will have a flawless face?
And will they naturally create that? Because we model humans
stone in some ways, this could have some positive impact
on the way that we program.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Oh absolutely, it will have a significant impact on the way,
especially young people psychologically developed kind of interactions. So, for example,
a heavily augmented face is quite expressionless. And so this
is some of the studies that they did actually during
COVID when people were wearing masks because you only have
half the.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Face, you know.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
They so they found that because especially babies kind of
rely heavily on the social cues of facial expressions. So
you know, if you're kind of missing at a baby
or you're smiling, then they can kind of gauge like
am I happy? Am I sad? It's very similar if
if you can't frown, or if when you smile, you know,
the eyes don't close and you look a little bit
(18:50):
like somebody I can't gauge the expression of emotion, then
you can't pick up on those social cures. So the
social development side of things can have an impact. So
so it's very possible that if we have all these
frozen expressionist faces that you know, children will somewhat struggle
to identify actually what does this emotion look like? Yeah,
And even lines and things in the face, if you
(19:11):
think about like your grandparents or like your grandpa and
things like that, those lines are quite characteristic and distinctive,
and they're quite lovable as well, and so you're losing
that part of just like oh yeah, I had made
my grandpa had this massive brown line, but like that
was what made his face his face. Yeah, So yeah,
I think there is going to be this kind of
social and psychological impact of kind of everyone trying to
(19:33):
look the same.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Yea.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Well see that's the thing. When I started coming to you,
and you know, we had this discussion of what I
wanted to look like. Yeah, and I still wanted to
look my age. I just didn't want to look like
there was an extra ten years on top of my age,
you know. So for me, yeah, I get the botogs
done in my forehead, but it's not like it's porcelain.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Oh yeah, because it's like distressive and I.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Still have some of the line there, the gowls around
my face, they're not completely gone, and I'm happy with that.
As long as I'm not looking like a sharpai dog,
that's fine, you know. But here's the funny thing. So
I actually had my lips done. I didn't. I said
to Lisa, I'm going to tell you about something I
had done, but I'm not going to tell you now
I had my lips done right, and we only put
(20:19):
in a small amount, And now my lips for me,
I feel like I've never had lips. I don't wear
lipstick because I feel like I don't have lips and
if I try to put lipstick on, it looks stupid.
And so I said to Sabrine, I said, okay, well
let's let's do my lips. And it was just the
smallest amount. Right. I came away going, did you put
anything in there? I didn't feel like done. I did.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
I didn't feel like I.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Had anything in it. But the funny thing was nobody
noticed my lips at all except my daughter. Yes, yes,
so Jess, just the top leave, no, no, both bottom? Yeah, yeah,
but nobody noticed there was there was. I remember when
I saw him. I was saying, when I came into
work one day and I was like, you look different.
(21:01):
Something that was that was ages after though. That was
I'd had a micro deommerasion session and I had some
fillers put in. I think it was on my cheeks
or something. But Jess had walked into the house and
first didn't even say hello, Yeah, your lip's done.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
It's the first thing you noticed. Hello, nobody else noticed.
Yeah right, How funny is that you've done a good
job because probably knows your face every little Yes, there's
not enough in.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
There, like can we give me bigger lips?
Speaker 4 (21:31):
So how did that make you feel about yourself getting
them done? Once you got them done?
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Look, to be honest, I was. I was wrapped about
getting it done, but I did walk away going there's
not enough in there. I wanted to because I still
see for me, like I said, for a long time,
all my life, my lips are like pencil thin. Have
you ever seen those those Asian anime movies? And it's
just again, that's just that's how I felt, how I
feel like that's all I've got.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
I'm just thinking again, I always do have her bum
more profile, which doesn't have But when we do that,
you know you have sharp a dog anime lips.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
But for me, I wanted I wanted to actually have
some lips so that I could put lipstick on.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
It.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Sounds like the most bizarre reason to have lips, do
you No, No, I don't have the lips. If I have,
you do, I don't. This is ages Ago didn't know.
There's no difference to my lips. Yeah, but what is
this how they usually are your lips because it was
a good twelve months ago and it's still the smallest amount.
(22:36):
This is a thing, right, So so Sabrina won't bang
go full on.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
And it takes it kind of adjusting. So sometimes when
you go too hard, it's quite I've seen a lot
of face it's just like my gosh, didn't regret. And
it's that process and I think really it's about just
enhancing what you have. So you know, somebody is like, oh,
I want to have Angelina Jolie's lips, like it's going
to look really odd. Face about balance. Actually, the white
size lips for your face that kind of really compliments
(23:04):
you with people just like you looking great today, you know,
you know it made me just a small amount or
doing over time and it just naturally enhance it. And
that's usually the best way to know that treatment is good.
If someone just looks at you one day just like
are you resting well? Like what's your secret? Like you
just look different, rather than like what did you do
to your face?
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (23:20):
We don't like that kind of impression. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,
So sometimes you know, doing that longer journey really just
helps build and people won't notice the big, drastic change.
But if somebody hadn't seen you, say for six months,
so you're looking really good, Like what's your secret?
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Nobody said anything, just so are you going to do
them again?
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Are you going to do them again?
Speaker 2 (23:40):
About it?
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Okay, yeah, because I want to see what they want
to see you with lipstick.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
I don't think i've ever seen.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
I'm ready when I have it.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
You get lips.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
I want to see the photos where you had the
lips and I didn't notice.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
I can't believe that. But you wouldn't notice. But can
you see the photos? If you didn't notice at the time,
the photos an't going to be in.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Different than if you've got photos with them after they've done,
and then it'll be like, oh, sheet, I want to
see what you look like with bigger lips.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
But they weren't that much bigger because nobody noticed.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Well, can you get them bigger next time?
Speaker 2 (24:11):
That's what I want to do, all right, it's on
the cards, gonna get myself some bigger lips. Well, I've
got another episode with doctor Sabrina Campbell coming up.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
We'd like to start off my saying a very big
welcome to general Practitioner doctor Serena Campbell.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
So we with our guests, we always give them a
little gift, and we have a little gift for you
that we would like you to open up now.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Come every now.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Yeah, yeah, probably best to rip with a stick you takes.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yeah, I see, yeah, I'm going to open the gifts.
I have a mug.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah, this is so cute.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
It's a limited edition mug because that was when we
were three of us. Usually usually say three some and
everyone looks at me, and there was three of us.
So it's a limited edition mug.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
I love this.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Until we get the new ones done. We've only got
one each, Folica and at this stage.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
So the very nice thank you, so much welcome you.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Were coming on and being a guest. You and I
we go back a few years. We established first stuff
that you are a general Pratish practitioner.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yes, yes, summer GP.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
And the accents are diad giveaway that you're not from Australia.
It is you can tell she's a London that's it.
How long you have been astraight for coming up.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
To eight years now? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's interesting. When
I talk to friends and family in the UK, they
think I have a slight busy twang, and when I'm
here everyone thinks, oh, you've got a pomb accent. So yeah,
a little bit both.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
We lived in Ireland for five years and so had
that happen when we came back everyone thought we had
these Irish Irish accents. Yeah I didn't have any, but yeah,
a little bit refusion that that's who you're talking to.
So this is the main reason we want David chat
to you. I mean, you know, you're a general practitioner
and we could talk medical stuff, but that's not what
we want to talk to you about, because you've got
this other life I do do, so fill us in
(02:09):
on what else you do besides being a JP.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Yeah, so I started to explore the world of esthetic medicine.
So cosmetic medicine about nine or ten years ago. So
I started in the UK. But essentially that's one of
the things that drew me to Australia to explore cosmetic
medicine further because one, it's a massive industry here. It
is massive, and.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Then it all help with me.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Yeah, and people are willing to spend money. They really are,
you know, the GDP here in Australia is fantastic. But
Australians care about how they look and so there's a
massive market for it. So not just women, in men
as well and in all demographics. So that is my
second life in doing cosmetic medicine. So I did my
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Masters in aesthetic Medicine. I completed that in twenty eighteen
and so I really delved deeper into that, just really
wanting to craft that and do a lot more and
really help in that space. So yeah, I've loved it.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Why do you think Australians more than happy to you know,
put the hands in the pockets and like the cash
to get cosmetics.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
That's a good question. I wouldn't say Australians are vain
and it would depend on whereabout some Australia are so
the esthetic demographic is very different, you know in Queensland,
in New South Wales and Victoria. But I found in
Victoria individuals tend to be a little bit more demure,
so people may not be as upfront about the cosmetic
f Everyone is getting it done, but it's a very
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kind of more underground thing. I would say underground people
are open if you if they talk about botox, they
will talk about it. But essentially, you know, they care
about what they look like, and people are a little
bit more open about anti aging and feeling good. So
that's why I think a lot more people are just
engaging in it now.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
But why do people hide it?
Speaker 3 (03:54):
It's embarrassment more than anything else. Some people don't want
to feel embarrassed that they care about how they look.
You know, nobody wants to be looked at vein and
so you know, oh you care about lines and wrinkles,
or you care about jowls, and you care about your skin,
and there's nothing wrong with caring about how you look.
So I think we're now in a state in society
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where it's okay to care about oneself. It's not just
about okay you want to be professional. You want to
work hard, that's absolutely fine, but you can look good
and feel good at the same time. So a lot
of people aren't doing it because they care about what
other people think of them. It's because of how they
think about themselves.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
This is the thing, because the whole big push is
you know, feeling good about yourself and treating yourself and
looking you know, taking care of yourself. Yep. You know,
if part of what makes you feel good about yourself
is getting botox or getting fillers or getting your lips done,
people frown upon that they do.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
There's a little bit judgment. So if you were to
ask the average Joe, you know, what type of people
get cosmetic procedures, they'll have kind of two visuals in mind.
One maybe the young person with massive lips and massive
cheek bones and frozen forehaird and then the other may be,
you know, somebody in the older generation who is just
trying to clutch onto the last threads of youth and
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what about everything in between you. So there's no harm
in in just taking care of oneself. And it doesn't
have to be you know, just massive augmentation. It's just
maintenance more than things. So people go to the gym.
They look after their bodies, they look after their cars,
they look after their pets. You know, there's no reason
why you can't look after yourself.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Absolutely. It is what we present to the world every day,
and it's an important part of self care. I think
there's this crown in kind of working hard and working
yourself to the bone and being backing and you gave
up everything for your family, for your career, but it's
okay to put yourself first as well and say I
actually do care, that I have self care, and that
can look many different ways to different people. And I think,
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you know, just looking and polishing the surface, it's absolutely
fine to do that as well.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, well, someone's just that's what happened in the lights flash.
Oh right, okay, presence with us now. It's interesting that
you say that because so for a very long time,
and Lisa and I have had this conversation. When I
was like in my forties, I was very much I
(06:11):
don't say anti cosmetic procedures, but I was very much like,
oh no, I'm just going to grow old gracefully, and
you know, I don't need to have botox and that
sort of stuff, and look back in my forties and go, no,
you didn't need it then, But I'm now fifty seven
and my face is saying otherwise. And the reason I
bring up that you and I have known each other
for a few years is because I actually have been
(06:32):
coming to you to get procedures done. And it's funny
because when I was first getting it done, I wasn't
open about talking about it, and I suppose part of
it was because I was thinking, what are people going
to say? Yes? Also because for so long I've had
no money. I was a single mum with three kids,
(06:53):
and I was scraping to make ends meet, and then
got into a position where I had a bit of money,
about to quit my job or anything like that, but
you know, like I'm budgeting for it. So my other
thing was people going to turn around and go, oh, yeah,
now you've got the money. Now you're doing something to
your face something. First of all, none of your business
exactly right, and you don't know where my money's come from.
I have saved and saved and saved because I got
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to the point where I was sick of looking like
one of those Sharpei dogs, Like that's what I felt like,
what is a Have you seen the dogs with all
the the like the wrinkles and like those roly poly
sort of dogs, but all they are wrinkles and layers
and lasers. That was me. That's how That's how I felt,
(07:38):
you know, especially around the jowls. Like for me, that
has always been my big problem. And like even with
my kids. I mean, my youngest is nineteen and you
know Liam and Liam, Yeah, because you actually treat Liam
for his skin. Yeah, yeah, he's not getting boat dogs
or anything like that this stage, but like Liam's conscious.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Of that as well.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
He's nineteen. Yeah, yeah, you know, so that is in
our family and that is something that we have to
live with to a certain degree. Absolutely, until I came
to you and we started out with fillers.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Yeah, and we start sort of gradually. We didn't jump
into the deep end. You know, we had that chat.
We kind of discussed the things that could be dealt
with and kind of how to do it. You know,
you don't have to go gung ho and do everything
in one go. That's right, and it's just understanding, you know.
And really when I start talking about cosmetic treatments, it's
understanding aging. So really I don't really like the terminology
(08:29):
you know, cosmetics, even esthetics, because it makes it a
little bit more superficial. I focus on anti aging because
aging is everybody ages. It's a pathophysiological process. So you know,
some of us kind of go down the path when
it's rather advanced and it's excelling a little bit quicker
than we'd like. But really, when we understand the actual
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anatomy and the physiology of aging, then we're trying to
slow that down or just kind of work within what
we can with it. So yeah, I look at it
more medical than superficial. Yeah, it's very different than getting
you nails done and getting highlights in your hair.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
You know.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
I really want to try and focus on good skin
health and generally people should take care of themselves as well,
and they come hand in hand.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
So yeah, this is one of the reasons I came
to you as well. And you were recommended to me
through a friend of mine because you're a doctor. Yes,
so in my mind I've gone, you know what you're doing.
And I'm not saying someone who's not a doctor doesn't
know what they're doing, but you you deal further than
just the cosmetic side, Like you know where the nerves are,
you know where the muscles are? You know, you know
what I mean. So for me, I felt comfortable coming
(09:31):
to you to start having the procedures. But what's happened
with us over time as well is the other thing
that you've started doing for me is the micro needling.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Yes, which I love, is a fantastic procedure.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Is fantastic tri what that's done for me as well. Look,
I don't need the fillers as often as I did before.
Like it was almost I felt like almost every time
I came to see you, it was like put a filler,
put a piller in this.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
So what are fellers?
Speaker 3 (09:57):
So when we talk about deml phillis, these are high
ononic acid products, So they are there to mimic the
natural hyaluonic acid that we have in the body. And
they come in different densities or g primes, So some
for those very thick, some for those very thin. And
we determine what filler goes in which area of the
face to try and create augmentation. So if we want
to kind of lift our cheekbones and define our cheeks,
(10:18):
we would use a certain type of filler. If we
want to kind of project and get a better profile
of the nose or the chune or the drawer line.
There's a certain type of product that we use for
that and what we use for lip augmentation. We do
that so often if we think about the aging face,
you know, things start to deflate. That's essentially what happens,
and gravity starts to take its toll, and so what
we want to do is try and buff that out.
(10:39):
So often, if we're trying to kind of smooth the
lines of expression on the upper part of the face,
we'll use botox injections, and that kind of stops us
constantly increasing and exercising those muscles, leaving lines behind on
the skin. We do that and a lot of it exactly,
and then naturally, you know, as we get older, things
start to deflate. So if we think back to like say,
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our parents, you know, they weren't really engaging in these
type of procedures, and you may characteristically say, oh, I
remember my mom or my gran having kind of like
you know, jowls and kind of all these fine lines
around the lips and cheeks were down here, and all
these lines across the eyes. You know, they do build
character to the face, but this is just a part
of aging, and so for a lot of people they
don't like it. Some people engage in it, and that's
(11:20):
absolutely fine. They say that this is just who I am,
this is how I'm aging. But there's no reason why
we can't just buff those small things. You say, Look,
I would like to smooth these lines. I like to
have better skin. This is being a bit deflated. I
love to kind of smooth that out. These are the
small tweaks that we're doing. But it's a very fine line.
Some people do have some features of body dysmorphia where
they're trying to achieve something that's not really realistic. So,
(11:41):
you know, really the first part is its acceptance. You
have to accept like who you are and you're happy
with who you are. Otherwise it's a very slippery slope
of kind of chasing something that isn't you know. If
I have a forty five year old who says they
want to look like Kylie Jenner, it's like, Kevin, thanks
for I don't know if we can do that, And
so I really just try and make the best version
of everybody. You know, you just want to be the
(12:02):
best person you can be and feel good. Yeah, and
do it in a healthy way.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yeah, when you're talking about skin maintenance and keeping the
skin healthy. The one thing that you did with me
to start with was profilo. Now I only had to
have that one that one session, whereas I've got a
couple of friends who've had it in the last few
years a few times. Yes, So what would be the
difference because I'm older than my friends, what would be
the difference there? Why would I have only needed one
(12:28):
session and they would continually? Good question? Need to have
it done?
Speaker 3 (12:31):
It depends. So often if somebody goes to practitioner and
they're just kind of like very focused on just one modality,
then you know, that way you're not maximizing all the
different treatment options. Whereas if you're focusing on one part,
you say, look, this really helps with skin hydration and
skin quality. But guess what if we add in micro
needling and we do the botox and you kind of
(12:52):
stage out your treatments that way, then it's really just
maintenance than anything else. And so nothing is permanent. This
is the thing. Most of these procedures are semi permanent.
So the aim is to slow down aging and just
kind of keep us, you know, in a good state.
Of maintenance. So for example, any of your friends, they
may have just kind of gone down the profiler route.
That's only the thing that they did, because they didn't
(13:13):
address the other areas or use other different modalities of treatment.
Then they're just stuck. They're not really exploring the full
possibilities of what they can do to improve everything with
their skin quality, lines and things like that.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
So then tee, how often do you get fellas?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
And well, the fellers, I'm not having as many as
I used to. When when I first started, I felt
like because I was seeing you every two months, and
then we had one stretch where we go we went, okay,
let's stretch it out to three or four, and I
noticed straight away I've gotten that I can't do it
that long. So I go to see Sabrina every two months,
and mainly for the botox. Yep, because I left it
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late in life to get the botox done. Because from
what I've heard, like the younger you started, the longer
you can push it out between treatments.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
It's a very fine line actually, So we're seeing a
lot of young people starting botox as preventative treatments a
lot early early on, So you know, maybe mid twenties, say,
and you may see that if you look at some
of the younger cohorts, so kind of just one generation
before millennials, I guess now they sometimes look a little
(14:20):
bit older because they've gone too much too quickly. So
if we think about there are some treatments that are
ideal for a certain stage in life. So if you're
in your mid thirties, forties, fifties, there are treatments that
are designed for that age group. If you're twenty five
doing those treatments, then those treatments weren't designed for that
age group. Have some older Yeah, it does exactly. So
(14:40):
if we have saved, example, a little bit of volume loss, yes,
you know, a forty year old phase can tolerate one
or two meals of filler in the cheeks. But if
you have a young person who really has a full
phase and nice cheeks and you put the same amount in,
it distorts their natural features and that makes them look
quite unusual. So that's why you may find that these
younger generations actually older. It's because they're doing treatments that
(15:01):
get in the.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Face of a twenty year old or twenty five year
old men.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
They don't know they have it good.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
Some sort of dysmorphia or something, isn't it. And I
feel like social media has had a big impact on it.
Do you think that as well?
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Massively and filters haven't helped. So, I mean, if you
look back at if you look at some of the
celebrities of like the seventies, eighties, nineties, they look fantastic.
If you look at the supermodels of the nineties, outside
of the you know, the very thin frames, you know,
people looked good and if they didn't kind of indulge
excessively in botox and filler, but it's because they took
care of themselves and they allowed themselves to age appropriately
(15:36):
for their twenties in their thirties, and unfortunately, young people
aren't allowing themselves that, you know, whether it's fearful of
aging or it's the trend of like, yes, guess what
if you want to be beautified and you're looking at
all these people who are on you know, social media
or they're on these reality TV shows, I think that's
the esthetic ideal, that's the ideal of beauty, and I
(15:56):
guess that's what's kind of skewed, what the ideal of beauty.
Years We're not just looking at celebrities, you know, you're
looking at the social media influencer kind of in your
city that you want to look like, and she has
these cheekbones and massive lips, you know, and that's what
people are aspiring to. So it is some form of dysmorphia.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah, and so how is that going to affect them
later in life?
Speaker 3 (16:16):
I mean time will tell, you know, we don't really
know what the effects are. If someone has been doing
filler for thirty years and they started in their mid twenties,
what type of impact that's having. Yeah, I think from
me being from the medical background, you know, although these
procedures are reversible, then on permanent. My goal is to
kind of walk side by side with natural aging. So
(16:38):
I'm not there to try and reverse. I'm not there
to try and kind of be Houdinian make magic. Yeah,
I'm there to just make sure that you know, you
take care of yourself and we just kind of age well,
you know, that's the best thing. So that's important. I
would say a lot of practitioners they're sometimes just chasing
the trend and they're just like, yep, I you know,
I'm the expert at doing lips and I'm the expert
(16:59):
and kind of making cheekbones, and it's like that will
catch up with you at some point because you're cheasing
the wrong thing, You're not focusing on the right things.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm really curious about, you know, how
we use our brain, how we use our mind to
actually create our physical bodies. And I think of people
who are doing all this work on their faces, and
it's like it's like seeing a whole new species of
the human race. And I think to myself, growing up,
you know, we see people with wrinkles and everything like that.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
That was really normal.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
So as a child, I accepted that when I get
to this age, this is what will happen. And for me,
I believe that. Then you set the unconscious program in
your mind. All these little kids growing up are seeing
these flawless faces, so they're looking at flawlesses. Are they
going to program their unconscious mind that says when they
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get to sixty or seventy, they will have a flawless face?
And will they naturally create that? Because we model humans
stone in some ways, this could have some positive impact
on the way that we program.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Oh absolutely, it will have a significant impact on the way,
especially young people psychologically developed kind of interactions. So, for example,
a heavily augmented face is quite expressionless. And so this
is some of the studies that they did actually during
COVID when people were wearing masks because you only have
half the.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Face, you know.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
They so they found that because especially babies kind of
rely heavily on the social cues of facial expressions. So
you know, if you're kind of missing at a baby
or you're smiling, then they can kind of gauge like
am I happy? Am I sad? It's very similar if
if you can't frown, or if when you smile, you know,
the eyes don't close and you look a little bit
(18:50):
like somebody I can't gauge the expression of emotion, then
you can't pick up on those social cures. So the
social development side of things can have an impact. So
so it's very possible that if we have all these
frozen expressionist faces that you know, children will somewhat struggle
to identify actually what does this emotion look like? Yeah,
And even lines and things in the face, if you
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think about like your grandparents or like your grandpa and
things like that, those lines are quite characteristic and distinctive,
and they're quite lovable as well, and so you're losing
that part of just like oh yeah, I had made
my grandpa had this massive brown line, but like that
was what made his face his face. Yeah, So yeah,
I think there is going to be this kind of
social and psychological impact of kind of everyone trying to
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look the same.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Yea.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Well see that's the thing. When I started coming to you,
and you know, we had this discussion of what I
wanted to look like. Yeah, and I still wanted to
look my age. I just didn't want to look like
there was an extra ten years on top of my age,
you know. So for me, yeah, I get the botogs
done in my forehead, but it's not like it's porcelain.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Oh yeah, because it's like distressive and I.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Still have some of the line there, the gowls around
my face, they're not completely gone, and I'm happy with that.
As long as I'm not looking like a sharpai dog,
that's fine, you know. But here's the funny thing. So
I actually had my lips done. I didn't. I said
to Lisa, I'm going to tell you about something I
had done, but I'm not going to tell you now
I had my lips done right, and we only put
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in a small amount, And now my lips for me,
I feel like I've never had lips. I don't wear
lipstick because I feel like I don't have lips and
if I try to put lipstick on, it looks stupid.
And so I said to Sabrine, I said, okay, well
let's let's do my lips. And it was just the
smallest amount. Right. I came away going, did you put
anything in there? I didn't feel like done. I did.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
I didn't feel like I.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Had anything in it. But the funny thing was nobody
noticed my lips at all except my daughter. Yes, yes,
so Jess, just the top leave, no, no, both bottom? Yeah, yeah,
but nobody noticed there was there was. I remember when
I saw him. I was saying, when I came into
work one day and I was like, you look different.
(21:01):
Something that was that was ages after though. That was
I'd had a micro deommerasion session and I had some
fillers put in. I think it was on my cheeks
or something. But Jess had walked into the house and
first didn't even say hello, Yeah, your lip's done.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
It's the first thing you noticed. Hello, nobody else noticed.
Yeah right, How funny is that you've done a good
job because probably knows your face every little Yes, there's
not enough in.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
There, like can we give me bigger lips?
Speaker 4 (21:31):
So how did that make you feel about yourself getting
them done? Once you got them done?
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Look, to be honest, I was. I was wrapped about
getting it done, but I did walk away going there's
not enough in there. I wanted to because I still
see for me, like I said, for a long time,
all my life, my lips are like pencil thin. Have
you ever seen those those Asian anime movies? And it's
just again, that's just that's how I felt, how I
feel like that's all I've got.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
I'm just thinking again, I always do have her bum
more profile, which doesn't have But when we do that,
you know you have sharp a dog anime lips.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
But for me, I wanted I wanted to actually have
some lips so that I could put lipstick on.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
It.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Sounds like the most bizarre reason to have lips, do
you No, No, I don't have the lips. If I have,
you do, I don't. This is ages Ago didn't know.
There's no difference to my lips. Yeah, but what is
this how they usually are your lips because it was
a good twelve months ago and it's still the smallest amount.
(22:36):
This is a thing, right, So so Sabrina won't bang
go full on.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
And it takes it kind of adjusting. So sometimes when
you go too hard, it's quite I've seen a lot
of face it's just like my gosh, didn't regret. And
it's that process and I think really it's about just
enhancing what you have. So you know, somebody is like, oh,
I want to have Angelina Jolie's lips, like it's going
to look really odd. Face about balance. Actually, the white
size lips for your face that kind of really compliments
(23:04):
you with people just like you looking great today, you know,
you know it made me just a small amount or
doing over time and it just naturally enhance it. And
that's usually the best way to know that treatment is good.
If someone just looks at you one day just like
are you resting well? Like what's your secret? Like you
just look different, rather than like what did you do
to your face?
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (23:20):
We don't like that kind of impression. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,
So sometimes you know, doing that longer journey really just
helps build and people won't notice the big, drastic change.
But if somebody hadn't seen you, say for six months,
so you're looking really good, Like what's your secret?
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Nobody said anything, just so are you going to do
them again?
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Are you going to do them again?
Speaker 2 (23:40):
About it?
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Okay, yeah, because I want to see what they want
to see you with lipstick.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
I don't think i've ever seen.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
I'm ready when I have it.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
You get lips.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
I want to see the photos where you had the
lips and I didn't notice.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
I can't believe that. But you wouldn't notice. But can
you see the photos? If you didn't notice at the time,
the photos an't going to be in.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Different than if you've got photos with them after they've done,
and then it'll be like, oh, sheet, I want to
see what you look like with bigger lips.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
But they weren't that much bigger because nobody noticed.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Well, can you get them bigger next time?
Speaker 2 (24:11):
That's what I want to do, all right, it's on
the cards, gonna get myself some bigger lips. Well, I've
got another episode with doctor Sabrina Campbell coming up.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
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